Essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Dr. Willie Soon; So what should be done about these dangerous deniers?
Mann tells his audience climate change deniers are endangering your children, but mostly avoids urging specific action. If a “denier” gets murdered by a climate nut who thinks his act of violence will protect the children, Mann’s hands are clean – he never told the climate nut to pick up a gun.
If I’m calling out Mann for always being at the rear ranks of the angry mob, then I’m not going to emulate his cowardice.
So what do I think should be done about Michael Mann?
The answer is – nothing. Mann’s personal failure is punishment enough. Mann is already mostly an irrelevance. The pinnacle of his political efforts, the COP climate conferences he helped build into a significant global political event, have degenerated into an annual oil and gas sale bazaar run by Arab petro-sultans. Major CO2 emitters like India and China barely even pretend to care about the Western climate obsession, both are openly competing with each other to expand coal powered industrial capacity as rapidly as possible.
Mann’s life’s work is in ruins, and every passing year further hilights his utter failure. He can keep ranting all he wants – outside his audience of climate diehards, Mann’s words simply don’t matter any more.
I don’t feel intimidated by Mann’s climate rants – in my opinion Mann’s wild tweets are entertaining parody. Other than the remote possibility a violent ecolune will take him seriously, reading or watching Mann’s latest rant is like watching an angry hand puppet on the Muppet Show.
Mann will not be remembered as another Einstein or Newton, as one of the science greats. At most Mann will be a historical footnote, someone who made a few wild climate predictions which didn’t come to pass, an uninteresting one liner in a history of science book whom people of the future browse past and rapidly forget.
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Mann has to keep up they hype to try to stay relevant. He’s sort of like those old actresses who show their bodies off for publicity. I would not want to see his body.
This Mann should be in jail. The only people who should see his body are Bruno and Bowser the Butt Brothers. They prefer the view from the southern end of a north facing man(n). Giddy Up Michele time to change your pronouns.
Well, only if it is an open-coffin event.
Yep. He’s the Norma Desmond of science: ‘I’m ready to hide my decline, Professor Jones!’
Thanks for that one..was best video the MFGW ever did imho.
I realize some people actually “deny” the climate is changing, and that it seems to be moving to a more warm one than 250 years ago, but I can’t find anybody that denies climate changes. Not one.
What irritates the warmists is the fact that reputable “science” folks, as well as a few other people, admit we cannot explain the reason we have glaciatial eras and then warm periods and then…..and nobody yet has constructed an accurate model for the last few million years.
Gums sends…
Who is in denial of WHAT? Mann uses FF every day, every day! Does he have solar panels on the roof? I bet not!
And you use more and more wind and solar energy every day.
Germany has twice the renewables capacity it needs for the country, which still only generates half the capacity it requires for the country and it has the most expensive electricity in the world.
If it builds four times the renewables capacity the country needs, it will still only generate around 50% of the country’s needs and electricity prices will be double what they are now.
How long will it take you idiots to understand this straightforward principle?
And as winter comes around, less and less solar….
… and no wind power, when there is no wind.
Today, for example, “Private jets in Munich on the way to Dubai global warming conference are literally frozen on the runway…”
https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1730955864935154140
The weather does love a bit of irony!
Net Zero. The world is no longer abuzz.
Nothing is… as it was.
TV, car and phone emit an eerie silence.
As do you, serving your climate penance.
So hard to escape the cold.
Only twenty-two; you feel old.
Cold within and cold without,
You shouldn’t be out and about.
The contrast to the former world of light and life is stark.
Inside or out… you sit in the dark.
Yet a billion cold stars within your sight
Remind you… wind and solar produce nothing on a cold, calm night.
Amazingly Australia exports 4x primary energy it uses.
https://knowledge.energyinst.org/new-energy-world/article?id=138329
Yet the consumer electricity prices are absurdly high.
And absolutely NONE on a windless night !
Current NEM (Australia) 85% FF, wind 7%…. solar NIL
Modelled for east coast intergrid connected states.
.Widespread energy droughts eastern Australia predicted under AMEO renewables policy.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41612-023-00507-y
Solar and wind droughts occur most frequently in winter, affecting energy-producing regions simultaneously on 10% of days.
Night time has less wind, calm isn’t unusual And of course, temperature drops too.
Here’s a link to the weather for my nearest airport.
Nope. Used pretty much none over the past few days.
Log burner is covering for the renewables failure.
Not by choice but by government fiat which is destabilizing the power grid and driving prices up a lot and reducing incentive to expand power generation for the future.
“Not by choice”
That was the point I was trying to make
Won’t be anyone’s choice when the wind fails at night.. and all reliable fossil fuel power has been destroyed.
Will just have to freeze to death.
Lovely choice, hey !
SAVE THE PLANET!!!
Actually it wasn’t. The point you were groping for was to use more and more wind and solar because it is the only choice for the panet, which is wrongly farcical. The rest of us know that that the only reason we’re using any wind and solar at all is because of UN diktat, built on deceit and forced on us by governments more afraid of WEF than their own people (which might change if this stupidity carries on much longer).
So no, not the point you were trying to make, not the point at all.
Planet. Damnit I got the other ones and missed that one.
If it weren’t for the huge subsidies and government mandates, we would be using less and less solar energy every day.
Not today. It’s winter: foggy all day, cold and still. The grid was powered mainly by gas, nuclear, biomass, coal, hydro and imports. Heating is oil fired. I may supplement with the log burner. Diesel car used for 10 mile shopping/countryside excursion.
No, I don’t. Its the middle of the night and the wind aint blowing…
Not true. Wind and solar power are using us to fill pockets of trough feeders and power hungry bureaucrats. They provide us nothing but increased costs and unreliability while raping the planet for scare resources and destroying otherwise useable landscapes.
Does manniacal wear a toupée made of solar cells?
Sorry, it would take a great deal more electricity than solar or wind can provide to restart Mann’s poorly connected brain cells.
Hey Mike, I think climate liars are the problem.
Especially Nobelist liars.
Nobelist wannabes since he himself did not receive the award.
His textbook, Dire Predictions: Understanding Climate Change 2nd Edition, Mann and Kump, is as highly regarded. Amazon has 33 new and used copies starting at $2.13.
I miss the days of the ‘remainder bin’ in bookshops.
It is common for professors to write alleged textbooks then to require students buy the books at full retail.
One can always identify the quality of the book when students sell them at the end of the year for a nickel.
Perhaps, ‘Especially fraudulent Noblesse Nobelist liars’?
For being irrelevant the site seems quite obsessed with him…
You seem obsessed with this site.
True, I like you all.
No, your reply shows that you are a JERK who wants to play the trolling game.
That’s OK, gives us someone to poop on. 🙂
He was the pseudoscientist jerk who generated a two-decade long pile of stupid science free papers that have long been effectively exposed as junk science thus deserve all the scorn and ridicule, he gets for damaging science research he helps politicize with his lies and lawsuits he loses most of them with one more lawsuit to lose.
You are here to show what a useless person you are by whining about it.
I’m not whinning about it, I think it’s funny when there is a pinned article with 540 comments right next to it.
And if he managed to do all this he’s probably not irrelevant.
“he’s probably not irrelevant.“
A bit like saying Ted Bundy was not irrelevant.
Zoooom it went right over your head as you unsurprisingly do not understand the damage Dr. Mann did to science research with his lies, avoidance of being open with his papers, politicizing science research and suing people with bogus liability complaints.
Agreed. One of the casualties by Mann is the tainting of any pretense of science as being independent of partisan politics. Mann is viciously partisan in his politics.
Mann has also tainted science by throwing the peer review process into complete disrepute.
He has also tainted science by his persecution of opponents by lawsuit.
He has tainted science by blocking opposing papers from being published in various scientific journals.
The rich donate lots to universities and are planning to get much richer from the $200 trillion Bloomberg’s green energy research team estimates it will cost to stop warming by 2020. Other estimates are similar.
He is irrelevant but the damage he’s done is not. Between him and Naomi Oreskes, among a few others, they have almost destroyed the scientific method, corrupted scientific research in academia and set the scientific establishment back about 500 years.
He is a worthless nobody, a little fat fool that prances around like a sweaty clown for the entertainment of anyone who’ll pay, but what he has done is infamous and may take a generation or more to mend.
I agree he is not irrelevant. He is an emblem of the academic enterprise’s decent into alchemy and propaganda while forgetting the scientific process. He is a lesson in how to fail personally and as a society.
Irrelvent currently but not irrelvent historicaly for having helped establish the new lunatic climate religion.
Yet here you are…
Well myusername, Mann is one of the chief poster boys for the climate alarmism movement. In case you don’t know, he was co-author of a 1998 paper, based on his Ph.D. thesis, that scrambled together a lot of rather dubious proxy data with inappropriate and opaque statistical procedures, to create the famous hockey stick. The “shaft” of the hockey stick purported to eliminate historically documented climate changes over the last thousand years, and the “blade” was created by tacking on some 20th century instrumental data. This seminal piece of
scientific researchfraudulent data manipulation was celebrated by Phil Jones at UEA as “Mike’s Nature trick”. Prof. Jones at least had the honesty to admit that he was tampering with data – “We’ve got to get rid of the MWP” whereas Mann has stood firmly behind his hockey stick for 25 years, despite it having been meticulously dismantled and discredited by McIntyre and McKitrick many years ago.Mann cements his reputation as a thoroughly unpleasant person by launching lawsuits against those who publicly point out his fraudulence.
So we (those who hang around this site) do enjoy the many opportunities that he gives us to poke fun at this imposter and his rotund self-importance. This latest piece of intellectual onanism has him casting those who doubt catastrophic climate alarmism as evil people. He should look in the mirror.
Keeping in mind mr. unpleasant Mann painted himself as innocent in front of Congress right after he falsely libeled Dr. Currie in his pre-hearing writeup.
Unpleasantness is probably Mann’s only quality as he is naturally unpleasant.
Mann will not discuss with real scientists who actually do know something about climate. His purported reason is that he as superior human being, as ‘distinguished professor’, can not be asked to steep to such a low level. The real reason is of course that he knows very well that he would lose in a confrontation with real expertise. Which makes him a coward. That is how he will end up, or already has ended up, in history.
Your meaning is clear…
One “steep”s tea. Mann refuses to stoop to discussions with his peers and betters.
Absolutely on target!
I always ask people about their stance on CC and once the usual stuff is out I ask so “its an existential threat” from there there is no problem stopping them in their tracks.
Because to believe that it is, means that an action which they take where FF are consumed is making them party to killing the children of the world.
My final line is “watch the feet not the mouth” actions show what people believe not what they say unless one is psychopathic.
Michael Mann doesn’t have any children. I always take advice about raising children from people who don’t have any.
In that regard he’s done us all a favour
Good that he doesn’t pollute the gene pool. 🙂
Wouldn’t let Mickey Mann anywhere near any children. !
He has done enough damage already.
They threaten us, our children, and our grandchildren.
And yet he and his ilk have created climate anxiety, quite deliberately, in the young.
The Mann is a sociopath
On the same topic, I found myself shouting at the screen recently when reading an article from some “climate psychologist” about the urgent need to address the growing epidemic of severe anxiety that teenagers everywhere are suffering.
I shouted –
“well if you bastards stopped telling the kids they haven’t got a future, they’d probably get on with enjoying their youthful years. You lot have zero self awareness.”
I couldn’t agree with you more on that. They have no conscience
I wish Michael Mann were irrelevant, but he definitely is not. Type in “Michael Mann [insert some of you favourite mainstream news outlets] November 2023” and you’ll find plenty of “journalists” quoting Dr. Mann just last month. He’s all over the place, unfortunately.
Someone should warn you that you can suffer physical and emotional trauma by getting between Mann and any nearby news/TV reporters.
Or do you believe Mann’s silly and obviously specious claim that he never sought fame?
It’s not relevance that Mann throws himself into discussions where he is the only person in existence worth reporting. It’s a form of narcissism. When coupled with his tendency to lie grandiosely Mann quickly becomes tiresome to most if not all people.
We are wondering why you care about what MSM and TV alleged news services splash about for Mann’s 15 seconds of pseudo fame?
Many of us will never seek any of MSM/TV loathsome news views or repeating of some psychopathic news stalker’s specious claims.
Mann remains a disgrace to his profession.
Name calling people who see thru him doesn’t help his standing.
The National Academy of Sciences must be oh, so proud that they elected him to be a member.
Why he remains a member-in-good-standing with that organization is beyond me.
Because the organization is filled with like-minded people.
René Blondlot went to his death believing in the reality of N-Rays, no matter their utter disproof.
Michael Mann may be fated to a similar end.
Well, in that case, whatever your beliefs in the matter, he will get what he deserves in the next life or as wormfood.
“Endanging”! Sounds awful.
Attention to detail, especially in anything he himself has written, was never his strong point.
He supplied exactly the detail he intended to, in his papers. Any more would have never gotten him published.
He’d love to run a Climate Inquisition.
Wouldn’t work, because we’d expect it.
(Unlike the Spanish Inquisition, which nobody expects.)
Read the small print
I wonder who are the 359 dimwits who liked this crook’s nonsense.
Dimwits? . . . possibly. But don’t rule out unthinking AI bots that have been let loose across the Web.
So Eric, do you have an opinion about this bloke Mann?
🙂
Does it show? 🙂
”Climate change deniers are unique among antiscience ideationists.”
This coming from the anti science person himself !!
He’s projecting – the entire thing is about him projecting his guilt onto those who stand against him and his junk science.
“antiscience ideationist” ??????????
I googled ideationist- and found several definitions- which are mostly very positive. The shortest definition: “Practitioners of the creative process.”
So, climate skeptics are practitioners of the creative process but anti science?
Ergo, Mann is a f*cking moron. He can’t even come up with a witty put down. He wants to be thought of as clever.
When he says “climate change deniers pose an existential threat TO our planet” he’s getting into dangerous territory. If I wasn’t twice his age I’d challenge him to a boxing match. I don’t like being told I’m an existential threat to the planet after working 50 years trying to improve forests.
Oh hell Joe, just go for it, you’ll probably come out on top.
I’m a tough old Italian- I could whip his ass. But I’m also an old hippy flower child forester so I’ll just ignore the twit.
Incredible: A guy who thinks **he** knows how to control weather is telling other people that they are ‘wrong in the head‘
beyond surreal
“Ideationists”, like much of his output Mann simply made that word up.
He’s trying to sound ‘authoritative’ like the execrable Stephan Lewandowsky:
“The role of conspiracist ideation and worldviews in predicting rejection of science” (Lewandowsky Gignac Oberauer).
“Recursive fury: conspiracist ideation in the blogosphere in response to research on conspiracist ideation” (Lewandowsky Cook Oberauer Marriott Retracted).
“All words are made up.”
-Thor
“At most Mann will be a historical footnote, someone who made a few wild climate predictions which didn’t come to pass.”
I tend to agree. After all, who now remembers Charles Dawson, the supposed discoverer of Piltdown Man just over a century ago? Dawson faked archaeological relic. Mann faked tree ring data. It would be most appropriate if both of these scientific fraudsters were remembered in the same breath.
Piltdown Mann?
OT, sorry but- I’m now subscribing to the Bah-stin Globe an award winning woke propaganda rag.
Today, is an article: “UN Climate talks are in need of a fix”. Here’s the link – not sure if you’ll be able to read it without a subscription. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/12/01/opinion/un-cop28-failure/
“2023 is about to break the record for the hottest 12 months in 125,000 years.”
Uh, really?
and
“That will mean people in every country, including the United States, will increasingly face deadly heat waves, wildfires, floods, and droughts, and ruined agriculture causing famine and disease, as well as many other almost unimaginable disasters that will destabilize nations and civilization.”
oh, no, we’re all gonna die!
and
“In fairness, the planet is better off than it would have been if no COPs had taken place over the past three decades; without the progress they made, there would be a staggering 6 degrees Celsius rise by 2100. But “it could have been worse” is no excuse when greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels keep increasing and the planet keeps warming.”
We so lucky thanks to of all them COP events!
and, the author is:
“Durwood Zaelke is president of the Institute for Governance & Sustainable Development in Washington, D.C., and Paris, and adjunct professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara’s Bren School of Environmental Science and Management.”
Wow, an adjunct- I’m so impressed.
oh, while I’m at it- here’s another from the Globe- or, as my wife calls it “the glob”. I can’t say it often enough, Wokeachusetts is the epicenter of the climate cult. And Bah-stin is the Mecca.
We are all going to die from 1 or 2 degrees of warming? It warms much more than 2 degrees every day from nighttime temperatures to daytime temperatures.
But.. but… This is CO2 heat! It’s heatier!!
A JUNK professor. !
Australia is fine..SH is immune to CO2.
Just another profiteer of the crisis industrial complex.
The truly scary thing is that there are millions of agitated idiot sheep who buy into this climate cult nonsense. They are a danger to humanity and their actions are more aligned with the Heaven’s Gate cult than with actions taken by rational and intelligent beings.
Mann is an execrable and despicable human being, and demonstrates that scientists can be evil and dishonest as anybody.
I don’t think Mann demonstrates anything about scientists other than that he isn’t one.