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strativarius
September 10, 2023 6:18 am

Charles….

2 posts up simultaneously? You’ll confuse bigoilbob….

Infantilising a nation.

If it’s hot and you feel thirsty do you need to be told to have a drink? How come a nice warm night suddenly becomes ‘uncomfortable’; to quote Auntie? Uncomfortable for whom? And we are talking <20C 

Ireland is just the same as the mainland UK (quelle surprise..)

“Met Éireann warns of possible heat stress, uncomfortable sleeping conditions and a higher risk of water-related incidents. The last is undoubtedly a danger and too often tragic. But to prevent people from drowning the authorities would be better off providing proper water-safety education, rather than issuing heat alerts when the mercury goes over 25.”

I’m not sure what’s worse in all this nonsense: the Nineteen Eighty-Four-esque ‘keep them in a constant state of dread about something!’ propagandising, or how unbelievably patronising the whole thing is.

The perpetual stoking of dread and panic, this screaming state of permanent emergency, is certainly trying. If it’s not Covid, or the weather, it’s the ‘far right’ (they’re everywhere, apparently) or whatever. The specifics probably don’t even matter, so long as there’s something for the authorities and / or the media to try to scare us over.”
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/10/these-heat-warnings-treat-the-public-like-cretins/

And with scares in mind let’s check the latest novel alarm… Autobesity. What the hell is that, I hear some exclaim….

‘Autobesity’ on course to worsen air pollution caused by motoring

Trend for bigger, heavier cars means more particles get released from brakes, tyres and road surfaces”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/08/autobesity-on-course-to-worsen-air-pollution-caused-by-motoring

Heavier cars…. ah, they mean EVs…. Doh.

They’re good at word play, now all they need to do is make some sense.

Reply to  strativarius
September 10, 2023 8:02 am

Around 4.6 million people die from cold or cool weather each year compared to about 500,000 people dying from hot or warm weather each year. Breathing cold or cool air makes our blood vessels constrict causing increased deaths in cold or cool weather from heart attacks and strokes.

Cold winter weather is very dangerous for humans without technology in the form of warm clothes, warm houses, warm transportation and warm workplaces. Hot summer weather is much less dangerous.

Why do environmentalists want 4.6 million people to die every year from cold weather? What is the point of not letting it warm up when so many people are dying from cold weather each year?

Reply to  scvblwxq
September 10, 2023 8:03 am

‘Global, regional and national burden of mortality associated with nonoptimal ambient temperatures from 2000 to 2019: a three-stage modelling study’
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext

September 10, 2023 6:26 am

a 3 year old Tony Heller video I just saw- one of his best

Science Is The Belief In The Ignorance Of The Experts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaFDkX3G2GI

Another clueless BBC presenter is Brian Cox, who bases his beliefs about climate on consensus junk science.”

strativarius
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
September 10, 2023 6:36 am

Did you know that when Cox was playing Hammersmith Odeon with his band (things can only…) a member of the crew got so fed up with Cox that he trussed him up, hoisted him up and dangled him high over the stage for over an hour.

I can understand why.

Reply to  strativarius
September 10, 2023 6:49 am

I can’t bear to watch him- he’s too much of a “girlie man”.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
September 10, 2023 6:40 am

My wife says he looks like a gelfing

Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
September 10, 2023 6:50 am

I never heard that term but googled it- and she’s right! Best way to describe him.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
September 10, 2023 7:30 am

He’s a prat, never could stand the music or the guy – insipid formulaic rubbish and he perpetually looks on the verge of drooling.

September 10, 2023 6:31 am

Who is John Kerry?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9ZSpy9rjVU

In this new feature from the Climate Discussion Nexus, Dr. John Robson examines the credibility of various prominent climate alarmists, starting with former United States Senator, Presidential candidate, Secretary of State and now the first United States Special Presidential Envoy for Climate Special Envoy, John Kerry.

strativarius
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
September 10, 2023 6:41 am

Beanz, beanz
Good for your heart
The more you eat
The more you f…

Reply to  strativarius
September 10, 2023 7:31 am

And there was I thinking they were the musical fruit?

E. Schaffer
September 10, 2023 6:39 am

For those who want to know in depth what is wrong with the canonical 3.7W/m2 CO2 forcing..

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https://greenhousedefect.com/unboxing-the-black-box

September 10, 2023 6:39 am

It has nothing to do with climate, but I’m in New Orleans for a few days and I can report that Bourbon street is as much of a people zoo as ever.
Now that I don’t drink it’s a simple experiment in people watching.

Scissor
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
September 10, 2023 8:10 am

Go out early in the morning when the mice, rats, opossums and rat coons are still scurrying about if you want to get a scare.

Reply to  Scissor
September 10, 2023 9:52 pm

Have seen that in the past, when the street cleaning machines come out for garbage and the rats scatter.
You don’t want to pass out on the street here

September 10, 2023 6:45 am

The shameless attack on a climate change dissenter

In 2021, the physicist and NYU Professor Steven E. Koonin, who served as Undersecretary for Science in the Obama administration’s Energy Department, published the bestselling ‘Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters.’ The book attracted extremely negative reviews filled with ad hominem attacks, such as a short statement appearing in Scientific American signed by 12 academics, that instead of substantively rebutting Koonin’s arguments, calls him “a crank who’s only taken seriously by far-right disinformation peddlers hungry for anything they can use to score political points” and “just another denier trying to sell a book.” When dissenting scientists are implicitly compared to Holocaust deniers, or their ideas are considered too dangerous to be carefully considered, it undermines public respect for the field and can lead to catastrophic policy mistakes.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
September 10, 2023 7:28 am

There’s nothing unusual about academics, those who initiate the theories that media, government and business accept as gospel, disagreeing among themselves. They’re in combat for funding to build research facilities, hire expensive employees and create programs to attract students. They need existential threats to the process to keep the ball rolling. Since a significant portion of academia is the only real source of bad, expensive science and employs hundreds of well-paid professionals to produce and disseminate these fantasies, the research institutes and their affiliated universities must be held responsible and their funding, at least from the public sector, examined and perhaps terminated. Presently the system works as if astrology and tarot card reading were worthy of public finance.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
September 10, 2023 12:21 pm

Funny, those same 12 “academics” never issued such a statement about Paul Erlich. I wonder why?

September 10, 2023 7:35 am

Unnaturalness in the evolution process of the SARS-CoV-2 variants and the possibility of deliberate natural selection
Over the past three years, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has repeatedly experienced pandemics, generating various mutated variants ranging from Alpha to Omicron. In this study, we aimed to clarify the evolutionary processes leading to the formation of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variants, focusing on Omicron variants with many amino acid mutations in the spike protein among SARS-CoV-2 isolates. To determine the order in which the mutations leading to the formation of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variants, we compared the sequences of 129 Omicron BA.1-related isolates, 141 BA.1.1-related isolates, and 122 BA.2-related isolates, and tried to dissolve the evolutionary processes of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variants, including the order of mutations leading to the formation of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variants and the occurrence of homologous recombination. As a result, we concluded that the formations of a part of Omicron isolates BA.1, BA.1.1, and BA.2 were not the products of genome evolution as is commonly observed in nature, such as the accumulation of mutations and homologous recombinations. Furthermore, the study of 35 recombinant isolates of Omicron variants BA.1 and BA.2, confirmed that Omicron variants were already present in 2020. The analysis we have shown here is that the Omicron variants are formed by an entirely new mechanism that cannot be explained by previous biology, and knowing the way how the SARS-CoV-2 variants were formed prompts a reconsideration of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.

Preprint only

Scissor
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 10, 2023 9:10 am

The science was unequivocal. The virus came from a wet market. Furthermore, Biden would shut down the virus. The vaccine would see to it. It would prevent people from getting sick, dying and transmitting it.

Editor
Reply to  Scissor
September 10, 2023 1:47 pm

Virus??? I thought it was a worm from horses.

September 10, 2023 8:11 am

according to this site

https://eerscmap.usgs.gov/uswtdb/viewer/#3/38.42/-94.44
there are 72,731 wind turbines in the usa right know.
according to this site

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/08/there-are-over-341000-wind-turbines-on-the-planet-why-they-matter.html
there are 341,000 wind turbines world wide (2017 number)

is there a data base that has the number of turbines in use today that are fired with coal, nat gas, nuclear and hydro?

i have searched and can’t find anything. only capacity figures.

joe x

September 10, 2023 9:56 am

Off Topic:

Woke Capitalism Against America
Vivek Ramaswamy
You Tube 26 minutes

He didn’t say much about Climate Change.
But he should. Climate Change is 97% fictitious.

Reply to  Steve Case
September 10, 2023 9:55 pm

Climate change is 100% real.
You are referring to AGW.

Words are important

Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
September 11, 2023 2:23 am

Actually, “climate” has been pretty darn stable for the 100 or so years, at least.

A small amount of beneficial warming,..

… and basically nothing else untoward or unprecedented happening.

Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
September 11, 2023 4:34 am

Yes, words have meaning. The Climate Crisis is a fiction.

Reply to  Steve Case
September 11, 2023 10:49 am

Off Topic? On an open thread? One’s mind is boggled, is it porn?

Reply to  Richard Page
September 13, 2023 6:29 pm

WUWT The world’s most viewed site on global warming and climate change.

September 10, 2023 11:07 am

The Polar Science Center of the University of Washington has posted the August update to their table of estimated Arctic Sea Ice Volume values in thousands of cubic kilometers.

Source data here.
http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/PIOMAS.2sst.monthly.Current.v2.1.txt

For every month in 2022 and now through August of 2023, the value is higher than the corresponding month in 2011.

I have updated this plot accordingly. August data points are shown, along with a Lowess smoothed heavy black trend line. The other months are also plotted with trend lines in other colors and styles.

An obvious deceleration of ice loss began over 10 years ago to the point that the sea ice volume for all months has leveled out, or nearly so.

Climate emergency? Crisis? Breakdown? No.

piomas_monthly_090623.jpg
September 10, 2023 12:38 pm

The European Big Wind industry, drowning in RED INK, is finally telling the UK idiot bureaucrats, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Paris is “off course”, because it was, and still is, built on a lie;
many NATURAL forces cause the observed global temperature changes, already for 4 billion years

The increase in interest rates, long overdue, due to excessive printing of money, plus increased inflation, and increased energy costs, and increased materials cost, and increased skilled labor costs, and increased supply chain bottlenecks (lack of specialized ships) have combined to increase the capital cost per MW of installed wind/solar/battery capacity by about 70%, according to Bloomberg.

People are finally beginning to realize, the costs of Paris are astronomical, and even the richest countries on the planet cannot afford it going forward.

This gave rise to BRISC+6, soon BRISC+12, including two nuclear superpowers, and two oil superpowers, which will represent about 60% of the world population, and will control the majority of the world’s resources.

Oil is at $95/barrel, as decided by Russia and SaudiArabia .

The US Strategic Oil Reserve is empty, due to the flawless “political executive planning” of the illegitimate/grifting/grafting, Biden in-the-basement
 
BRISC does no longer want its resources used for the West to play world domination and climate fantasy games

It is curtains for the US/EU, Paris, and the arbitrary imposing of its self-serving, rules-based, bull manure

No Offshore Wind bids for the 5th Auction in the UK in 2023, because UK bureaucrats, ignoring market conditions, offered subsidies that are at least 40% TOO LOW, per Vattenfall.

Read these two articles to get up to speed

BATTERY SYSTEM CAPITAL COSTS, OPERATING COSTS, ENERGY LOSSES, AND AGING
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging

US/UK 56,000 MW OF OFFSHORE WIND BY 2030; AN EXPENSIVE FANTASY   
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/biden-30-000-mw-of-offshore-wind-systems-by-2030-a-total-fantasy

Editor
Reply to  wilpost
September 10, 2023 1:54 pm

“The European Big Wind industry, drowning in RED INK, is finally telling the UK idiot bureaucrats, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH”. I see it the other way round. The big wind industry wants even more money from the public via the politicians and bureaucrats, and the public are at last telling them to pass off.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
September 10, 2023 2:54 pm

Mike, You need to read my US/UK 56,000… article.

EU big wind conglomerates want, on average, 40% more, because turnkey capital costs (foundations, turbines, cabling to shore) have gone to at least $5,500/kW and interest rates to 6.25%

UK and New York State bureaucrats are grossly uninformed regarding market conditions, as usual. They have zero business sense.

3) New York State bureaucrats calculated their estimates of offshore wind contract prices, but when the owners saw those numbers, they said, we need up to 66% more, for OUR spreadsheets to make sense. See Item 4 and note

Oersted, Denmark, Sunrise wind, original price $110.37/MWh, needs $139.99/ MWh, a 27% increase
Equinor, Norway, Empire 1 wind, original price $118.38/MWh, needs $159.64/MWh, a 35% increase
Equinor, Norway, Empire 2 wind, original price $107.50/MWh, needs $177.84/MWh, a 66% increase
Equinor, Norway, Beacon Wind, original price $118.00/MWh, needs $190.82/ MWh, a 62% increase
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/liars-lies-exposed-as-wind-electricity-price-increases-by-66-wake

September 10, 2023 12:43 pm

has the edit function been eliminated?

Editor
Reply to  wilpost
September 10, 2023 1:51 pm

I just used it OK to fix a typo. The little cog thing wasn’t showing though until I moved the mouse there.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
September 10, 2023 2:58 pm

The little cog thing did not show when I moved my mouse there

Reply to  Mike Jonas
September 11, 2023 9:30 am

My experience was that everything seemed to work fine until I tried to save the edit.
Then a message popped up in the upper right saying something to the effect that I was commenting to quickly.

Reply to  Gunga Din
September 11, 2023 9:37 am

I just tried to edit the comment I just made and this time the edit “cog” didn’t show even after moving the cursor around the area it usually shows up.

Reply to  wilpost
September 10, 2023 2:09 pm

I think it’s a glitch they haven’t solved yet. It seems to have been an issue for a few weeks now.
If it was “eliminated” they probably would have told us.
I use a Windows desktop running Windows 10 pro and Google as my browser.
Perhaps if we supplied such info from those having trouble and those that have been successful in the last week or so would help them nail it down?

John Power
Reply to  Tony_G
September 10, 2023 5:18 pm

So, why did they let him out? Don’t they treat delusional psychotics any more?

Reply to  John Power
September 11, 2023 7:18 am

Given how many there are in government, apparently not, John.

September 10, 2023 12:53 pm

The US needs expensive offshore wind like another hole in the head, because it has low-cost, abundant DOMESTIC fossil fuel, hydro and nuclear

Europe needs expensive offshore wind (and solar), because it does not have enough fossil, refused to frack for gas, closed down nuclear plants and has no significant hydro

Europe wants to hamstring the U.S. with expensive electricity so it will be less competitive with Europe on world markets

The Biden folks are totally blind, do not see the big picture, because they are dogmatic and biased, and love open borders that end up ruining Democrat run cities, a nice come-uppance, and blindly throw money into the corrupt Kiev black hole.

All that happened, because they stole the 2020 Election from Trump

The only reason they lost in 2016, is because they underestimated Trump, overestimated Hillary, and as a result did not cheat enough

Reply to  wilpost
September 10, 2023 4:54 pm

Europe has a lot of coal that it won’t use also some offshore oil and gas in the Black Sea with potentially much larger fields in the deeper waters. As for onshore sites, Albania still has the largest oil field in Europe. Europe doesn’t need renewables except that it doesn’t have the political will to fully develop the hydrocarbon reserves it has or the will to explore others in its territories.

September 10, 2023 2:39 pm

US Offshore Wind Systems Benefitting Big Wind Conglomerates in Europe

Almost the entire physical supply and installation of the 30,000 MW of offshore wind systems would be provided by EU companies, because they have the required expertise and the domestic onshore facilities and seagoing facilities, due to building at least 25,014 MW (end 2020) of offshore systems, starting in 1991. See URL
https://windeurope.org/about-wind/history/
 
Those companies would hire qualified US labor, as needed. 
Those companies would build US facilities, as needed. 
Those companies would not be interested in training a potential competitor.

The offshore wind turbine industry is trending towards wind turbines with capacities of 8 to 12 MW. 
European experience indicates, the larger-capacity wind turbines require more maintenance/kWh, and have more downtime/kWh.
 
Currently, EU companies have capacity to install 8 to 10 MW offshore wind turbines, at a rate of about 1,500 MW/y
Adding 30,000 MW of very expensive offshore wind systems, would be of primary benefit to Europe which would:

1) Make financing, designing, building, assembling, operating and maintaining, replacing, almost all of the wind turbine systems
2) Purposely saddle the US, a trade competitor, with much higher energy costs, than at present
3) Continue to benefit from the significant US annual expenditures for defending Europe.

US Offshore Wind System Experience

US infrastructure for large wind turbines is practically non-existent; only GE is active in that space. It would take years to create US sites for producing offshore wind turbines, and build the sea-going ships and specialized cranes to transport, assemble, and service the wind turbines.
 
Duplicating the EU onshore and seagoing facilities in the US, PLUS implementing 30,000 MW of offshore wind systems in less than 7 years, 2023 to 2030, at a rate of 30,000/7 = 4,286 MW/y, would be physically impossible.
  
In the real world, any independent energy systems analyst would deem Biden’s offshore wind scheme a total fantasy.
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/high-costs-of-wind-solar-and-battery-systems
 
Additional URLs for information
 
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/wind-and-solar-provide-50-percent-of-future-new-england
https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/renewable-energy-program/What-Does-an-Offshore-Wind-Energy-Facility-Look-Like.pdf

The EU vs the US

The US, with a low-cost, self-sufficient, energy sector would attract European, Korean, Japanese, etc., energy-intensive, heavy-industry and industrial product production to the US.

Europe is interested to make sure the US has a high-cost electrical sector, with lots of high-priced wind and solar and batteries, to handicap the US, and to enhance its competitiveness vs the US. The UN is helping out by urging the US to expensively reduce its CO2 by 50% by 2030, which is not possible. See URL.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/21/the-latest-co2-fantasy/

– Europe desperately needs more low-cost gas from Russia to remain competitive on world markets
– Europe has to build out wind and solar to limit energy imports from unstable countries; the US does not need to.

The US is falling into the EU very expensive, debilitating energy trap.
 
BTW, Europe must have wind and solar, because it imports huge quantities of energy (mostly from unfriendly countries), whereas the US is nearly energy independent
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-plot-is-thickening-with-germany-and-france-no-longer-in

US/UK 56,000 MW OF OFFSHORE WIND BY 2030; AN EXPENSIVE FANTASY   
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/biden-30-000-mw-of-offshore-wind-systems-by-2030-a-total-fantasy

Reply to  wilpost
September 10, 2023 5:01 pm

No. Europe has enough oil and gas reserves to satisfy its needs for some time. Russian gas and oil has been much cheaper than Europe could provide and, when it became politically unpalatable to accept Russian oil and gas, they no longer had the political will to develop their own reserves. The issues are not quite so black and white as you paint them.

September 10, 2023 3:21 pm

What I would like to see/hear is a very prominent GOP politician, preferably currently serving and during a debate or interview with a well-known journalist, ask the simple and lucid question to a Democrat or lefty journalist, “give me some examples of what ISN’T climate change”. Point out that nearly every weather event has happened before, and that our reliable period of record isn’t very long. I know, I’ll probably be waiting a long time…

September 11, 2023 11:15 am

Story tip: Energy Secretary Granholm runs into problems making a PR tour in an EV to show how great they are:

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm

September 11, 2023 3:24 pm

About 40% of Ukraine Population Left Their Country
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/about-half-of-ukraine-population-left-their-country

EXCERPT

There are many conflicting statistics floating around regarding the population of Ukraine.

It took quite some time to sort out the data to come up with some rational numbers.

All below data are corroborated by URLs
The URLs shown are only a few of the ones researched
 
The Kiev Coup d’Etat in the Fall of 2014

In February 2014, well before the US-instigated/financed ($5 billion from 1991 to 2014, per Nuland, who has Ukrainian parents) Kiev Coup d’Etat in the fall of 2014, there were about 2.6 million Ukrainian citizens in Russia, of whom about 70% , or 1.8 million were labor migrants.

That labor migrant total likely increased from 2015 to 2022, because of poor economic conditions in Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians_in_Russia
 
After the Kiev Coup d’Etat, not supported by the mostly ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine, Russia annexed Crimea 

The Crimean people (70% ethnic Russians, 22% ethnic Ukrainians and 8% Tartars) had voted by over 95% to re-unite with Russia. 

Crimea had been part of Russia since 1783, except for a brief period, when it was a part of Ukraine.

Russia made huge investments and successfully turned it into a vacation destination, mainly for Russians.
 
In 2014, the Ukraine Armed Forces, mainly the extremist-nationalist AZOV battalions, started an 8-year ethnic cleansing/genocide and civil war in Donbas, from behind the “line of separation”, that killed about 16,000 men, women and children from 2014 to 2022, as documented in monthly reports by the UN-OSCE.

The reports were, and are still, ignored by the Western Media, to reinforce the perception of the 2022 invasion being “unprovoked”, because real power isn’t just controlling what happens, but controlling what people think about what happens.

nyeevknoit
September 12, 2023 6:07 am

It only takes a moment…cycles and seconds of electric supply to trigger the need for grid adjustments and additional or reduced generation.Displaying that “back-up” or “make-up” generation clearly is necessary for grid stability and continuous supply to be understood by us less analytical minded.
Suggestion:
To clarify and characterize the actual time periods and amounts of wind actually generated in MW at the exact demand level–with deficiency or excess shown between demand and wind supplied. This would clarify the intermittency of wind/solar. It also could show costs of wind/solar, and called upon supply at each moment.
Another chart could show the amount of time supplemental (make-up) supply is needed by the grid caused by wind and solar and traditional outages….by time frame. Minutes, hours, days in period up to years …to show the need for in-place, ready supply.

Anyone have such graphs??

MattXL
September 12, 2023 7:43 pm

How much heat energy has Hurrican Lee ejected to space so far? Can I get it in Hiroshima’s please?

September 13, 2023 12:33 pm

Story tip… Jordan Peterson has to go for re-education.
(Alimonti vs Mann, California wildfires & Patrick Brown)
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Climate censorship is worse than you thinkScience requires open debate. It does not advance by consensus or political pressure
(By Steve Ambler, professor emeritus of economics in the École des sciences de la gestion, Université du Québec à Montréal)

Censorship over opinions concerning whether we are in a climate emergency, catastrophe, apocalypse or even worse has made headlines recently because of the well-known travails of Jordan Peterson, who has been ordered by the College of Psychologists of Ontario (CPO) to undergo re-education at the hands of a social media “expert” for an indefinite period and at his own expense.

The CPO reprimanded Peterson for, among other things, remarks he made on a Joe Rogan podcast concerning climate change policy, a subject that bears no relationship to his clinical practice as a psychologist.

https://financialpost.com/opinion/climate-censorship-worse-than-you-think

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