Remember the famous quote from the head of the UK Climate Research Unit, Dr. Phil Jones that was laid bare in ClimateGate?
…I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow, even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!
Dr. Phil Jones – ClimateGate emails
These guys never learn. Josh writes on Twitter:
Mikey’ The Trick’ Mann at work…Another story about ‘scientists’ trying to bury papers and evidence they don’t like. It’s Climategate deja vu. Read about it here https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2023/08/how-science-is-done-these-days/
and here: The Climategate Gang Rides Again!
Shameless abuse of science…but then again, we know Mann has no shame, only hubris.
I can’t say what I think of him on a polite site like WUWT.
It’s already been published –
“A Disgrace To The Profession”
Mark Steyn is a brilliant, honest journalist & commentator – I regularly have a great laugh watching his online show – comedy gold, he says what most think
A profession well suited to the mann
There is a 10th circle of Hell that Dante overlooked, or maybe it just hadn’t been created at the writing of the Divine Comedy, but it is reserved for the likes of Mann, Fauci, et.al.
If the 10th circle of hell involves eternal fire, it would teach Mikey what REAL global warming feels like. Stop his whingeing about a measly 1.5°C.
I rather like the Dickensian punishment of spending eternity wrapped in heavy chains and cash boxes.
The chains he forged through his manifold methods of lying, every additional lie is a link.
The cash boxes represent his selfish greed, years of lies for grants coupled with his parsimonious support of, well, basically everyone that doesn’t worship him.
What are the 10 trenches of the 8th circle of Hell?
The circle is subdivided into 10 separate ditches, or Bolgia, representing various types of fraud: seducers, flatterers, simonists, sorcerers, unscrupulous politicians, hypocrites, thieves, deceivers, schismatics and falsifiers.
The real problem is some of fellows these qualify for more than one trench. Some are even involved in simony.
The real question is will their penance be consecutive or concurrent?
Frankly, I can’t imagine multiple eternities of punishment. So, the punishment of multiple trenches must be concurrent.
Given the implication of eternity, one might imagine a punishment whereby the sinner is skinned then pulled to pieces, joint by joint, then reassembled only to be, much like Sisyphus, detached and reassembled in an never ending cycle. But then, I am happy to leave the punishment settlement up to God.
The 10th circle is reserved for the worst of sinners, forced to listen to Mann, Fauci et al.
well if he is a “Distinguished Professor”of Climate Crap what does a mediocre one look like – a Baboon perhaps?
Aw, go ahead…
Mikey Mann is the leftover from the Hugh Briss
Turbation is the mixing of sediment. A mass Turbation is a mass mixing by Mann and his ilk.
“A mass Turbation is a mass mixing by Mann and his ilk.”
that should be a “d”
When people resort to data fakery, obstruction, scientific fraud, malicious censorious litigation, cancellation, bullying, career destroying malfeasance and it has the stench of hubris filled deceit, you just know it is exactly what it wreaks of
As Orwell said ‘All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force’
The full backstory is interesting. Like IPCC SREX in 2012, the new Nature paper by four Italian physicists concluded there was no evidence for increased weather extremes. Their paper was written and submitted before AR6 published. EU warmunists protested to Nature about the data based conclusions, and the lack of citing AR6. Nature went thru a long politicized process, including rejecting an offered addendum with AR6, and ultimately retracted the paper.
This is of no consequence, because meanwhile the authors wrote a new paper with their old conclusions plus responses to all the objections, and have gotten it published in another peer reviewed journal.
So not only is the result still there, but the warmunists managed to make themselves and Nature look very bad.
Josh’s cartoon ridicule is richly deserved.
Yeah, all they did was show how little they respect contrary research which they can challenge now as it was published elsewhere but I predict it will be completely ignored.
So Nature is a new Scientific American.
Has been for some years. I used to subscribe to both.
Could you please post a link? Thanks in advance!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17477891.2023.2239807?journalCode=tenh20
‘Tricky Micky’ has a sort of ring to it.
It was an icky dicky, tricky Micky, cherry picky hockey sticky, that Mann gave to the IPCC.
(attributed on the hockey stick post)
You missed a “little” after icky. 🙂
He also shows his bad manners in the law too as to this day refuses to accept his lawsuit loss with Dr. Ball and pay the winner and his endless lawsuit, he isn’t demanding a trial to proceed despite that he claims libel against him why the foot dragging which he did with Dr. Ball maybe it is because he doesn’t have a viable case really wants to wear down the Defendents instead.
He is an awful, awful vile man.
I understand Mark Steyn has a similar experience
Yes. In DC courts. Still in litigation over DC SLAPP.
But Steyn got even years ago by profiting from his well selling book about Mann, A Disgrace to the Profession. And Mark insured Mann can do nothing about it, cause all the book did was publish referenced stuff from Mann’s peers, with a little contextual commentary to each hit.
I tried to clarify my post to make sure I was talking about Steyn in the middle of my post after the bolded part but the messed up editing system prevented the edit to work it kept telling me to slow down……
Yes, on top of everything else, a deadbeat
http://climatecasechart.com/non-us-case/michael-mann-v-timothy-tim-ball-the-frontier-centre-for-public-policy-inc-and-john-doe/
Right in the class with AL Sharpton. Good company.
If it is Hubris then Nemesis is taking its time to get him
The wheels grind slowly…
If Michael Mann, da Man’s speciality field is tree ring analysis (which I don’t think it is) what’s he doing messing around with modern climatology numbers and splicing them onto his tree ring data?
Then he accuses others of working in fields they don’t have expertise in?
Has he no shame? (Rhetorical question).
IIRC he used other people tree ring analyses, and even turned some of them upside down in parts (incompetence, or on purpose)
Mickey Manns specialty is fraudulent and anti-science use of such data.
Thanks bnice. It’s kind of what I was driving at. Mann represents all that’s wrong with science today.
The world was beguiled by science, but the fact is science is more often wrong than it’s right. There would be no need for experiments, peer review, journal publications etc. were it otherwise. A ‘scientist’ would simply announce his latest hypothesis as ‘The Science’ like it or lump it.
Which is pretty well what Mann does.
Mann et al used Keith Briffa’s (RIP) paleo tree rings proxies, which Briffa told Mann et al at the time were inadequate for the purposes Mann et al intended to use them (ie their Hokey Schtick paper).
They ignored Briffa (the expert) of course.
Statisticians McIntyre and McKitrick later showed how sage Briffa’s advice was.
I don’t think he’s got very much of anything really, except other people’s money and an excess of ego – he seems to lack ability, talent, control or any worthwhile skills.
He promoted “The Cause” which has as much to do with genuine climate science as The Green New Deal”.
Story tip
This sounds like a bad idea, loaded with BEVs
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Yup, won’t be long before it self combusts, that’s if they can afford to charge it
It’ll probably make one run per day. You can come home the following day, after they recharge.
Harsh. To err is human. To forgive divine.
Interestingly, Nolan’s ‘Interstellar’ is a film where the villain is ‘Hugh Mann’. Dr Mann is a climate expert who realises that his scientific mission has failed and so costs humanity all hope by creating deceptive climate data for his own personal advantage.
It said that the film-makers spent months studying contemporary climatology before making that movie.
There was no err, more a case of hostis humani generis
Yes, I remember spotting that the character named “Dr Mann” turned out to be a fraud. I remember thinking “How appropriate”.
Chris
Yippeeeee!!! Another Mann-bashing thread. I certainly do enjoy reading these.
Thanks to Josh for the cartoon and to Anthony for posting it here.
Regards,
Bob
Come on Bob, I’m sure you feel a great urge to contribute some Mann-bashing.
Have at it, dude ! 😉
I prefer the term “Mann trashing” Bob.
Mann-shaming ?
Just a thought.
Perhaps a recurring post where a Climategate quote is precedes an example of it still going on now?
(i.e. Someone said they’d punch one of the M&M in the face if they ever met them followed by a post of the the calls to charge “deniers” with crimes against humanity?)
The funniest thing is that man thinks he can stop the truth from coming out. The truth has more patience than you have energy Mikey. But you knock yourself out.
You are not scientific enough. Science is a discipline where the loudest player wins.
“Science is a discipline where the loudest player wins.”
Only temporarily.
It’s global boiling….Or CAGBulls%^t..
I think the best quote on this debate is by F. Otto over at
https://phys.org/news/2022-09-scientists-urge-publisher-faulty-climate.html
“””
“They do not have a section on heat waves”—mentioned only in passing—”where the observed trends are so incredibly obvious”, Otto said.
“””
So what about the trend is so obvious? That you should not cherrie pick the start date?
At least for th USA the data is clear:
more heat waves about 90 years ago than any time later.
Lmao I just read that too. I don’t know what the ‘data’ they keep referencing. They mostly just used the appeal to authority argument.
You’d think that a man with such a big, flat head would know how to use his brain lol.
“Reprehensible behavior by journal editors in retracting a widely read climate paper (80,000 downloads) over politically inconvenient conclusions.”
This is a quote from Judith Curry in the linked source of this article. The ‘tell’ that poked a hole in the hornet’s nest of the Climate Guardsmen is the fact that 89,000 folk interested on the issue of extreme weather downloaded the paper! It was published a year ago! That such a run on this paper occurred is the real concern.
I’ll bet the the gutless owner and editorial board of this seemingly important Euro physics journal will be begging for authors to choose their journal in the future. They just insulted and pissed off the highest profile physicists in Italy because of blowback from lackluster scientific frauds through yellow journalism tabloids. What are the the hell are thy afraid of?
They are terrified of being pointed at by the hive mind and they do not have the confidence to look at the data for what it is so they continue to see it as what it ”should” be or ignore it entirely. It’s a world-wide mass neurosis. A house of cards.
I am no expert on such matters, psychololobolloxz, It’s a world-wide mass neurosis. A y is outside the main scope of my interest, but I have decided this:
When the mind is forced to believe too many mutually exclusionary lies, the brain eventually rebels, and the world view comes crashing down. This moment of enlightenment is seen as an opportunity to drug someone into financial contribution, rather than helping such a person to rebuild a more accurate world view.
Thus I don’t see our situation as mass psychosis, so much as the culmination of every public lie fighting for survival against every other public lie, and people like Mann are paid to obscure the path to sanity, i.e. a coherent world view.
We should point out to the junkies that, even though their doctor wrote a prescription for their fix, it is still an addictive psychotropic drug, and it does not change reality, just drug you into acceptance.
Story Tip:
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They go to,
Sweetwater, Texas
Newton, Iowa
And two other cities in Iowa.
The blades just pile up..
One day, some day, never day be recycled..
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They could cover them with surplus to requirements EVs-
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You for got the Montana dumps.
Remember the famous quote from the head of the UK Climate Research Unit, Dr. Phil Jones that was laid bare in ClimateGate?
well well well.
The papers actually did make it into AR4
Like you… they tried… and FAILED. !
It is fact that they thought they had the right to even try to keep them out, just because they didn’t like them.
S. Mosher:
So, you do you think Dr Jones behaved honorably, or not?
Analogy: stuffing a ballot box for your candidate, but since your candidate loses anyway it is
all ok: IE you did nothing wrong since you were unsuccessful.
Seems rather immoral to me.
“Seems rather immoral to me.”
moosh has never cared about morality. ! Dishonest by education and by nature..
I think Jones’ comment was inappropriate. But the fact remains, the notion that Jones had the power to redefine the peer review process (did he even try? I’ve never seen any evidence of actions he took beyond that single email) is quite silly, in light of the fact that the papers made it into the report. The grand conspiracy rather crumbles in that cold light of day.
Sometimes assassins fail.
Slow day?
So if the attempted bank robbery failed, there is no crime?
Even Monbiot pinged Jones for a few falsehoods in Climategate
“ The loss of Chinese weather station documents. A paper written in 1990 by Phil Jones, who later became the CRU head, claimed that almost all the Chinese stations whose data he was using had stayed put. This claim was used to argue that the rising temperatures in those places could not have been caused by creeping urbanisation. It later emerged that most of them had in fact moved, that many of the records of their locations had been lost, and that Jones and his co-author appear to have been reluctant to admit it.”
and again
Frustrating freedom of information requests. CRU repeatedly sought to fend off legitimate requests. In one case Jones asked another scientist to delete some emails, apparently in breach of the law. In another message, Jones recommended that a colleague at CRU should make a false claim that he had not received certain documents relating to a review for the IPCC.
There is a crime called Attempted Murder.
Incompetence is no defence.
Tell me Mosh, is it acceptable behaviour from academics to try to keep peer-reviewed papers out of IPCC reports because they didn’t like what the papers reported?
Of course, Jones wasn’t trying to “keep the papers out” because he didn’t like what they had to say, he wanted to keep them out because he thought they were shoddy research. It would be appropriate to try and make your case to your other coauthors about why you think the papers shouldn’t be included, but it wouldn’t be appropriate to try and unilaterally keep them out. Of course there is no evidence of Jones having done either, apart from the single email.
It’s always sleaze and fraud when Piltdown Mann in involved.
The fact he still has a job and a veneer of respect shows just how corrupt our institutions are.
I wouldn’t buy a hotdog from a greasy loser like him.
Mikey ‘The Trick’ Mann’? Mikey ‘Il Capo dei Capi’ Mann is more appropriate here.
You credit him with more importance than he merits.
It’s amusing that this is being framed as something Mike Mann did when a. there were numerous scientists calling out the flaws in the paper, including scientists whose work had been misrepresented, and b. it was the journal’s decision to retract the paper based on their own internal review.
What took you so long?
How is Mann the clown even still given any voice. He has done nothing in his career except produce garbage science (IMHO it has been deliberate fraud) and he’s never been called to account for it. What’s happened to his bogus lawsuit against Mark Steyn? How come this great climate expert couldn’t get a single one of his supposed friends to submit an affidavit for him? They all know what we know and don’t subject themselves to possible charges of perjury. This jerk looks like what it would be if I bent over and took a selfie of my fat backside.