New York State Advanced Clean Cars

From the Pragmatic Environmentalist of New York

Roger Caiazza

I believe that the majority of New Yorkers are unaware of the ramifications of regulations implementing control programs for the Climate Leadership & Community Protection Act (Climate Act) emission reduction mandates.  This post describes one regulation that will affect most New Yorkers but has not received as much attention as I would have thought.  The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) recently adopted amendments to 6 NYCRR Section 200.9 and 6 NYCRR Part 218 will incorporate California’s Advanced Clean Cars II (ACC II) regulation that require increasing annual zero emission vehicle (ZEV) sales requirements starting at 35% in model year 2026 and increasing to 100% by model year 2035.

I have been following the Climate Act since it was first proposed, submitted comments on the Climate Act implementation plan, and have written over 300 articles about New York’s net-zero transition.  I have devoted a lot of time to the Climate Act because I believe the ambitions for a zero-emissions economy embodied in the Climate Act outstrip available renewable technology such that the net-zero transition will do more harm than good.  The opinions expressed in this post do not reflect the position of any of my previous employers or any other company I have been associated with, these comments are mine alone.

Climate Act Background

The Climate Act established a New York “Net Zero” target (85% reduction and 15% offset of emissions) by 2050 and an interim 2030 reduction target of a 40% reduction by 2030. The Climate Action Council is responsible for preparing the Scoping Plan that outlines how to “achieve the State’s bold clean energy and climate agenda.”  In brief, that plan is to electrify everything possible and power the electric grid with zero-emissions generating resources.  The Integration Analysis prepared by the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) and its consultants quantifies the impact of the electrification strategies.  That material was used to write a Draft Scoping Plan.  After a year-long review the Scoping Plan recommendations were finalized at the end of 2022.  In 2023 the Scoping Plan recommendations are supposed to be implemented through regulation and legislation.  This regulation is an example: “The amendments are also consistent with the requirements of the Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act, Chapter 106 of the Laws of 2019, as well as legislative requirement for all new, light-duty vehicle sales to 100% ZEV by 2035, Chapter 423 of the Laws of 2021, to further reduce greenhouse emissions in New York State.”

Advanced Clean Cars Regulation

One problem for the public as regulations and legislation are proposed and enacted is that the regulatory action language is dense and unclear.  The  DEC description of this rulemaking is a good example:

Part 218 Advanced Clean Cars II (ACC II) (PDF) – Effective July 6, 2023

This notice is continuation of the Proposed/Emergency Rulemaking of the same title that was adopted and effective on December 13, 2022 and published in the State Register on December 28, 2022. Emergency Rulemaking – Parts 200, General Provisions, and 218, Emissions Standards for Motor Vehicles and Motor Vehicle Engines. The emergency rulemaking will incorporate the State of California’s Advanced Clean Cars II (ACC II) regulation. The proposed amendments establish new zero emission vehicle (ZEV) and low emission vehicle (LEV IV) standards intended to reduce GHG (greenhouse gas) and NMOG + NOx (non-methane organic gas + oxides of nitrogen) emissions from light- and medium-duty on-road vehicles.

The ZEV amendments include an annual ZEV sales requirement for original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), minimum technical requirements, ZEV assurance measures, regulatory flexibilities, and simplified credit accounting. The proposed ZEV amendments will apply to 2026 and subsequent model year light-duty passenger cars (PC), light-duty trucks (LDT), and medium-duty passenger vehicles (MDPV). Starting with model year 2026, OEMs, will be required to deliver an increasing annual percentage of their sales that are ZEVs or PHEVs. This percentage requirement will start at 35% in model year 2026 and increase to 100% of sales for 2035 and subsequent model years. The proposed LEV IV amendments will apply to 2026 and subsequent model year PC, LDT, and medium-duty vehicles (MDV).

The Notice of Emergency Rulemaking is effective as of July 6, 2023, and will be available in the July 26, 2023 issues of the State Register and the Environmental Notice Bulletin.

Advanced Clean Cars for the Public

I think that the biggest unappreciated impact to the public will be the sales percentage mandates for zero-emission vehicles (ZEV) and plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEV).  Buried in the regulatory documents there is a pretty straigh-forward explanation. On page 4 of the July 26, 2023 State Register (page 14 of the pdf file) the sales mandates are described:

Starting with model year 2026, OEMs, will be required to deliver an increasing annual percentage of their sales that are ZEVs or PHEVs. This percentage requirement will start at 35% in model year 2026 and increase to 100% of sales for 2035 and subsequent model years.

PHEVs may be used to meet up to 20% of the annual ZEV requirement and they must meet minimum technical requirements. The use of PHEVs to meet part of the annual ZEV requirement will sunset following the 2035 model year.

ZEVs and PHEVs will be required to meet minimum technical requirements to earn ZEV values under ACC II. ZEVs must have a minimum all electric range (AER) of at least 150 miles and PHEVs must have a minimum AER of 50 miles and be capable of doing at least 40 miles on an aggressive drive cycle. ZEVs and PHEVs must also meet the ZEV assurance measures to be eligible to earn ZEV values. PHEVs must also be certified to super ultra-low emission vehicle (SULEV) standards and be covered by a 15 year or 150,000 mile warranty

The proposed ACC II ZEV amendments include ZEV assurance measures consisting of durability, warranty, service information/ standardized data parameters, and battery label requirements. The ZEV assurance measures will ensure that ZEVs retain functionality and reliability as internal combustion engine vehicles (ICEVs) are transitioned out of the on-road fleet.

Reactions to Advanced Clean Cars

The Big Green NGOs support this program to mitigate climate change.  The NRDC claims “Transitioning to a zero-emission transportation system, therefore, is one of the most effective ways to mitigate climate change, improve air quality and health almost everywhere, and make the total cost of car ownership lower and more predictable.”  The Sierra Club says “One policy that has pushed EVs to become more affordable and easier to purchase is the Advanced Clean Cars II (ACC2) Rule, also known as the Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Standard.” 

While I am sure that there are people who agree with these organizations, I believe that the majority do not.  According to the NYSERDA Electric Vehicle Registration Map there were 155,988 electric vehicles on the road in New York as of July 2, 2023.  There are on the order of 11.5 million vehicles registered in New York so electric vehicles account for about 1.5% of the vehicles in the state.  The following table lists the number of new EV registrations per year.  EV proponents point to the increasing sales but, given the tremendous marketing effort for EVs I do not these numbers represent an endorsement for electric vehicles where it counts.

The reality is that there are issues with EVs.  I have set up a background page that provides links to articles describing some of those issues.  I am going to describe a couple of recent articles here that list some of my concerns.

Both articles address the obvious issue.  What if people like me don’t want to buy a battery electric vehicle because of range limitations, home infrastructure concerns, and worries about the morality of the supply chain of rare earth metals.  The first article notes that Unsold Electric Cars May Be Signaling A Death Spiral For The Auto Industry.  Ronald Stein lists reasons why people are not purchasing EVs and points out that EV inventories are rising.  He also points out that the used car market is important but that the EV used car market is non-existent.  Anecdotally, a friend of mine in the car business says that used Evs are not selling because of lemon laws and worries about battery replacement.

The other article by Terry Etam, The Potential Looming Auto Industry Fiasco, takes a big picture look at what lies ahead for the auto industry.  He notes that:

In the second quarter of 2023, Ford lost $72,000 on every EV sold. While the latter is ‘sort of’ normal for new car platforms – and Evs are nothing if not new platforms – what isn’t normal is for highly-touted/media-frenzy revolutionary new autos like the Ford Mustang Mach E EV to be selling under 3,000 units per month in the US as it is in 2023, two years after introduction (US sales peaked over 5,000 units per month shortly after introduction). In the second quarter of 2023, Ford sold 14,843 Evs (out of 513,662 vehicles sold by the company overall), a fairly meagre total considering the capital invested and the marketing campaigns. In the minds of most consumers, it seems an EV means a Tesla, and there is scant interest in anything else no matter the marketing hyperbole.

Etam brings up another point that is a concern of mine.  Evs are so expensive that the low- and middle- income residents of disadvantaged communities will have a tough time buying one.  He explains:

In case anyone cares, and it doesn’t seem that they do when energy transitions are discussed, this will all work out the absolute worst for lower income people. Ordinarily, the auto market provides options for lower economic classes with vehicles that are no longer in favour. For example, in periods of high gasoline prices, consumers that can afford to switch up will tend to go for more fuel efficient vehicles, and the market can get flooded with inefficient ones – which has the effect of pushing down prices of these out of favour beasts, putting them within reach of poorer people. The fuel costs may be higher, but at least they can buy wheels.

That likely won’t happen this time around, if we see people buy ICE vehicles and then hoard them for as long as they can. In fact, things are terrible already for lower income people looking to buy older used cars – prices have skyrocketed for those as well. 

Used cars are expensive, new cars are hideously more so, and Evs are, thus far, mostly toys of the wealthy with multi-car garages, or well paid urbanites that can afford to use them where they really shine. Again, we can see where China is twelve steps ahead; many popular Evs in China are tiny, cheap EV runabouts that don’t have massive range, but get the job done. No such option is available here in North America, few in Europe, and if they do show up on these shores, it is a safe bet they will be of Chinese origin, because they’re the only ones that can make money at it.

New York Reality

I took a quick look at the numbers to see if the Advanced Clean Car regulations in New York that require a certain percentage of new vehicle sales that are ZEVs or PHEVs have realistic targets.  The requirements are:

This percentage requirement will start at 35% in model year 2026 and increase to 100% of sales for 2035 and subsequent model years.  PHEVs may be used to meet up to 20% of the annual ZEV requirement and they must meet minimum technical requirements. The use of PHEVs to meet part of the annual ZEV requirement will sunset following the 2035 model year.

Where is the state now relative to these mandates?  At one time it would have been relatively easy to get the necessary data to determine the status.  However, the NY Department of Motor Vehicles no longer provides historical registration and new vehicle registration summary information.  Instead the primary New York registration information through Data.NY.Gov is a data dump of 12.5 million rows of registrations.  Completely worthless without a lot of processing and I don’t think it includes any historical information.  There is Data.NY.Gov source of summary registration by fuel type and county data.

In order to estimate the EV percentage of new car sales I needed the number of vehicles sold in New York.  I could not find that data but did find data for the United States.  I assumed that the percentage of new car sales in New York would be the same as the percentage of the country.  I found a source for United State motor vehicle registrations that included state data.  The following table lists country-wide and New York registrations by vehicle type.  I lumped all the registrations together for this analysis.

For new car sales I found data for the country.  I estimated the New York new car sales as the same percentage of new sales to total registrations for the country.  The following table lists those results.  Because I did not have registration data after 2019, I assumed the New York sales would equal the 5-year average for 2019 and subsequent years (highlighted in yellow).

I previously listed the EV registration data for New York.  The following table includes a projection of sales needed for model year 2026.  These assumptions show that the idea that New York will be able to meet the Advanced Clean Car rule 2026 mandate is preposterous.  In 2023 I estimate that 8.6% of the vehicle sold will be EVs.  Note that PHEVs made up around 50% of the sales in 2022 but that starting in 2026 that percentage needs to be lowered to 20%.  I interpolated where we are in 2023 to 2026 and the increase in sales of EVs is not likely.  To think that in 2025 that EV sales will be larger than the number of EVs currently on the road is nothing but wishful thinking.

The State Register notice describes the public comments:

Most of the more than 4,400 commenters including vehicle manufacturers, environmental groups, and non-governmental organizations supported the Department’s ACC II adoption. The remaining six commenters, including a large manufacturer of diesel engines and a petroleum industry trade group, were opposed to the regulation.

Typically, DEC will point to this overwhelming support in favor of the regulation as “proof” that it is appropriate.  If the comments were representative of general public opinion, then the percentage of EVs on the road in New York and the sales totals would be much higher.  As a result, the argument that the comments supporting the program are representative of general public opinion fails.  The overwhelming numbers do show that the environmental movement is extremely good at playing the game.

Used Vehicles

I believe that the regulation only applies to new cars.  This explanation states: “This law doesn’t affect gas cars already on the road, the sale of used gas cars or new registrations of gas cars.”  I suspect what we will see will be similar to what happened in Cuba.  Etam notes that:

Cuba has not had access to modern automotive technology since the 1960s. As a result, streets still are full of ancient American cars, held together forever.

There is no reason to think that won’t happen in the US, Canada and western Europe when the new-ICE ban comes into effect. Some segments of the population will go with the regulatory-mandated flow, while a great many will hold onto what they know, trust, and love. Short of a miracle battery breakthrough, many will simply not trust EVs in cold weather and/or instances where battery power doesn’t cut it.

As note previously, the lack of used EVs will impact the low income and disadvantage communities the most.  The regulation tries to address this problem but I don’t think the plan is very useful:

The proposed voluntary ACC II EJ flexibility is intended to award extra ZEV values to OEMs that undertake programs to expand ZEV availability to low income and disadvantaged communities. Optional programs include discounted ZEVs and PHEVs placed in community-based clean mobility programs, used ZEVs and PHEVs remaining in New York following the expiration of their lease term, and making low-cost ZEVs available to low income and disadvantaged communities. EJ values will be capped at 5% per year and will sunset following model year 2031.


From a practical standpoint I do not see how the new car sales mandates are going to convince those members of the public that EVs have more problems than benefits to buy one.  I bet that enterprising car salesmen will figure out ways around the regulation for those people who want a new internal combustion engine or even a PHEV for that matter.  If I but one out of state and come in toe DMV to register it are they going to say you cannot do that?  Will there be a market for sales out-of-state to middle men who buy a specific new car then turn around and sell it “used”.  The ultimate fall back is to simply keep the existing cars running as long a possible.

When I tell someone that there is a regulation in place that will eventually force them to buy an electric vehicle, the usual response is to say they cannot do that and I won’t buy one.  Unfortunately, the law is in place and eventually there will not be any other options for new vehicles.  The only alternative is to vote out the pandering politicians who respond to the marketing efforts of the Big Green lobbyists that got us into this mess.  I think that will eventually happen and I can’t wait.

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Tom Halla
August 8, 2023 10:09 am

The Feds allowing California a special right to set “pollution” standards has been something of a farce for a long time.

Bryan A
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 9, 2023 6:38 am

Good Luck NY. Any state trying to enfarce such regulations as the forced adoption of BEVs. NY having annual vehicle registrations of >11m and sales of 780,000 (2022) the US having BEV manufacturing of 442,000 (for all 50 states) in 2022.
There’s a looooong way to go for BEV Auto manufacturing to be able to match THAT Mandate, especially with other states following suit.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Bryan A
August 9, 2023 7:07 am

New York wants you to use public transit. All you peons need is a sturdy pair of sandals.

Reply to  Tom Halla
August 9, 2023 6:06 pm

‘Bus pants’, you need would definitely need bus pants.

August 8, 2023 10:13 am

Cuba has lots of very old cars because they don’t rust because there is no snow or ice in Cuba so no chemicals on the roads in winter.
NY is not like that.

Reply to  Oldseadog
August 8, 2023 1:18 pm

What do those chemicals do to the bottoms of EVs (i.e., where the battery is)?

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 8, 2023 1:22 pm

Not anything good for sure. Salt, water and a large amount of stored electricity is a bad combination.😱

Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 8, 2023 1:48 pm

It will look something like this….

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Nikola Tesla’s Experimental Laboratory in Colorado Springs | Amusing Planet

Although N. Tesla did not have Federal tax credits as part of the currently estimated $1.2 trillion Inflation Reduction Act at that time. He did have the rich friends though who would claim those credits today.

Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 8, 2023 6:05 pm

That ought to be outstanding in the greater Houston market. I have travelled through there on more than one occasion where cars need to wade through several inches of water. One dimwit passenger opened the door while the BMW he was riding in had water lapping up on the lower frame rails… Then a jacked up truck blew by pushing this massive wake in through the open door.

Couldn’t imagine what flooding out a BEV would look like.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 8, 2023 4:19 pm

Ensure they won’t end up in a used car lot? 😎

Reply to  Oldseadog
August 8, 2023 5:03 pm

The problem with Cuba is lots of salt spray due to the ocean waves. Dissolved a very nice 1972 Chevelle Malibu in base housing S of Patrick AFB on the Atlantic coast of Florida over a 3-year period. Salt spray is a great corrosive. Cheers –

Reply to  agimarc
August 9, 2023 1:36 am

The salt spray doesn’t go far inland, probably half a mile at best, and the salt quickly dries so doesn’t stick to the underside of the vehicle, it just acts like dust. The chemicals in NY are all over the state.
( Spent 4 years as an Apprentice chipping rust.)

August 8, 2023 10:22 am

I’m not an optimist about the voters waking up and getting rid of the politicians who support the zero-emission dream. But, since I’m nearly 87yo and still driving our 1996 Tahoe, I doubt I’m going to have to worry about buying an EV in 2035. Good luck to all you doubters and deniers. You’re going to need it. And a big thanks to Roger for all the time and work he has invested in this effort. Unfortunately, I think we’ll be tilting with windmills for some years to come.

Reply to  rbcherba
August 9, 2023 5:41 am

All so true: the denouement will almost certainly be too late to save the West. As a mere 70-year-old, I fear I shall live to see some pretty grim times.

David Dibbell
August 8, 2023 10:24 am

Excellent review and analysis. Thank you.

The only alternative is to vote out the pandering politicians who respond to the marketing efforts of the Big Green lobbyists that got us into this mess.” Yes. And what a mess it is.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  David Dibbell
August 8, 2023 12:57 pm

But there are an awful lot of New Yorkers who don’t own a vehicle and will not care if ICEVs are unavailable.

Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
August 8, 2023 1:50 pm

Yes, they ride subsidized mass transit and assume everyone else should be forced to also by Federal mandate.

David Dibbell
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
August 8, 2023 1:58 pm

True, and that is to a large extent why we are in this mess. Another issue besides vehicles will have to drive the needed change. NYC electricity cost and outages perhaps. It won’t be pretty.

August 8, 2023 10:37 am

The discussion on this subject has been growing in the Uk over the last couple of years. EV sales are not good with stock piling up in showrooms from the big carmakers, GM, VW Toyota etc.

The problems are up front cost’s despite subsidies, 40%+ of UK households have no off road parking, woefully inadequate public charging network, cost’s of public charging now dearer than fuel for ICE cars, an inadequate grid, and the old stalwart – range anxiety.

There is also the looming question of ultra cheap Chinese BEV’s being readied for import. They will dramatically undercut conventional car manufacturers and drive them out of business within a few short years. In other words, NetZero initiatives will kill off domestic car manufacturing across Europe within a decade, I predict.

The unemployment shockwave across the continent will be brutal.

Then there’s the question of Chines import reliability of construction and the question of performance standards.

Anyone who has bought Chinese goods manufactured for, but not controlled by the west knows how unreliable they can be, which raises questions about EV battery fires. My oldest friend, from secondary school, was the biggest importer of Chines electric mopeds into Australia around 15 years ago. He described the experience to me – the first year of imports were perfect and performed well. The second year the quality dropped and he was repairing mopeds before he could sell them. The third year was a nightmare and he had to strip every moped down, and they all had different wiring and different components on the same models.

The Chinese were indifferent to his complaints. Basically, you bought them, it’s your problem.

EV performance testing is done to a lower, obsolete standard than either EU/UK or US methods. In simple terms they test a cars range and performance on a rolling road, isolated from weather and driving conditions. EU/UK/US standards now record the performance of vehicles on the road under varying conditions including weather and rural/semi rural/city driving. When a Chinese car maker claims his vehicles can get 300 miles to a charge, it turns out they actually achieve considerably less.

Then there’s spyware thats been found in Chinese cars. Official government cars in the UK with Chinese ECU’s were found to have SIM cards concealed in them capable of relaying the precise journey details of these vehicles into the cloud for interrogation by the Chinese. Could a nationwide transportation system be brought to a halt with kill switches embedded in the firmware/software of only several hundred thousand Chinese EV’s?

Very possibly.

Reply to  HotScot
August 8, 2023 5:42 pm

 NetZero initiatives will kill off domestic car manufacturing across Europe within a decade, I predict.

It does not require NetZero initiatives to wipe out vehicle manufacturing in the UK. Output has halved over the past 6 years just be pushing manufacturing costs up through subsidising the weather dependent generators.
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Your prediction for it to be gone in a decade will be close.

Australia is ahead of the game in the developed world with vehicle manufacturing. There has been none for a few years now. The rest of the developed world is destined to follow.

China is already the biggest player in North Sea oil. You can bet they will be into fracking in Europe when Europe needs gas.

Producing motor vehicles to high quality standards takes a couple of decades to embed. Back in the 1960s no one in Australia wanted Japanese junk but they were low cost and eventually got to be the best in the world. By 1980s Korea was sending cars to Australia and they were so cheap as a low cost second car that they became very popular but they had a few issues and some still have issues. The first Chinese made vehicles to land in Australia had asbestos brake pads so did not meet a basic requirement. Chinese made cars are getting better. There is not much used in the western world today that does not have some element of Chinese manufacturing embodied in it. Hard to make steel using weather dependent energy sources!

Peta of Newark
August 8, 2023 10:58 am

It’s all just a device to destroy the middle class – a huuuuge transfer of wealth.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
August 8, 2023 1:52 pm

Who knew that the EPA and CARB would rule over all?

Rud Istvan
August 8, 2023 11:11 am

So NY aspires to be like the EU. Will end the same way, in failure. Generally speaking, if something cannot happen then it won’t. Passing a law or regulation does NOT make it so.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Rud Istvan
August 8, 2023 12:23 pm

But it will impoverish and otherwise destroy the lives of millions of people in the process. I hope it doesn’t come to AR-15s and lampposts.

Matthew Bergin
August 8, 2023 11:30 am

No EV for me. I will still be driving my 53 Ford Customline even if I have to run it on moonshine.

Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 8, 2023 12:09 pm

Thanks for prompting some memories, Matthew. My father owned an early-50s 2-door Ford. The most vivid of those pre-school childhood memories: sitting behind the wheel in the driveway and taking it out of gear. The car would slowly roll backwards until it ran into the tree across the street. (My driving has improved. I haven’t hit anything in 5 decades. Yipeee!)


Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
August 8, 2023 1:44 pm

Your dad must of been a little pissed though. 😒🙃
After 40 years of continually learning the evolving mill control systems, PLC’s and computer control I fell in love with the simplicity of the car. She is still 6 volt positive ground with a 35 amp generator and I even rebuilt the Motorola vacuum tube radio and added a AUX input for my MP3 player. Counting all the gauge, charging, starting and ignition wiring there is only a grand total of 7 wires on the engine. Nothing beeps or dings it just drives and with the flathead 8 she sounds sweet. Best of all there is no OBD2 port under the dash.

Bryan A
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 9, 2023 6:43 am

Do they still sell vacuum tubes?
I remember going to Thrifty and testing ours when the TV went on the fritz. Those little numbered stickers you placed on the sockets and tubes so you knew where to put the good ones back and where the replacements went. Haven’t seen a tube tester in a long time.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Bryan A
August 9, 2023 8:37 am

I think they are still making some audio and other tubes in Russia. All I know for sure is that all the tubes I am buying are all NOS or good used. I have an old 1952 Hallicrafters World Wide TW1000 “portable radio” I am repairing. It will go well with the 53 Customline. Some of the radio’s low voltage directly heated cathode tubes are unavailable. The battery is also no longer available but they have a replacement that uses 60 AA cells and 6D cells to get the 90 volt A and the 9 volt B supply of the original battery.

Bryan A
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 9, 2023 9:58 am

That reminds me of that Mercedes EV ad with the 9000+ AA battery dump … 60 AA WOW

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Bryan A
August 9, 2023 10:42 am

That skit was very funny. Funnily enough the Mercedes EV battery pack is built of 18650 Li cells very similar to those in the skit. The funny thing is that all these AA and D batteries are cheaper than the original battery was in the 60’s (earliest price I could find) and being alkaline cells last much longer than the original Zinc Carbon battery would.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
August 9, 2023 7:29 am

Bob, when I was about five years old, our family had a 1952 Chevy sedan, and it had a button you pushed to turn the starter, rather than a key.

So I got out in the car one day, along with my little brother and sister, and the car was parked next to an alley that bisected the block I lived on, and the car was in gear, and I pushed that button, and the starter caused the car to move forward a couple of feet, and so I learned something new! and pushed it again, and we moved forward again, and I pushed that button until that car had moved the entire length of the alley (about 100 yards).

But that was as far as I got. I didn’t know how to get the car to go back to the house. My mother came down and drove the car back home. I don’t think I got in trouble for that. I don’t recall anything traumatic associated with it. 🙂

My next car is going to be an early 1950’s body of some kind with a modern frame and motor and all the accessories. I saw a 1953 “three-hole” Buick sedan the other day that looked pretty good!

When I was a kid of about five, I would sit down at the house of a friend that was right on a busy street, and I could tell you the make and model of every vehicle that came down the street.

I have a hard time doing that now because a lot of them look just alike.

August 8, 2023 11:36 am


And yet they are not zero emissions by any stretch of the imagination

Reply to  strativarius
August 8, 2023 11:55 am

This is what I find so troubling. Anyone with a functioning brain knows EVs aren’t zero emissions. Volvo provided the data comparison on a model available as an EV and ICE. You needed like 70k miles before the EV provided an advantage in CO2 emissions. Why people so blatantly lie is beyond me. If they actually believe what they are saying, they didn’t spend any time looking at the actual data. When you analyze tire wear, the mining footprint, and the recycling on the back end, there isn’t an environmental advantage.

Reply to  Nelson
August 8, 2023 12:55 pm

I believe that figure is assuming that the electricity you are using to charge the car is 100% wind and solar.

Reply to  MarkW
August 8, 2023 2:31 pm

At the moment, the NY grid is getting 5% of its power from wind and 60% from fossil fuels. If they want it to be all wind and solar by 2026, they better step it up.

Bryan A
Reply to  MarkW
August 9, 2023 6:46 am

Would require the installation of rooftop solar and wall mount battery recharging system devoted to charging your EVs though the process of creating even those components is Emission Heavy

Reply to  MarkW
August 9, 2023 6:33 pm

would it then, also, need to include the amount required to produce said wind/solar infrastructure?

More Soylent Green!
Reply to  Nelson
August 8, 2023 1:09 pm

Why people so blatantly lie is beyond me”


Reply to  Nelson
August 8, 2023 1:23 pm

Can you provide a link to that Volvo study?

Reply to  Nelson
August 8, 2023 1:49 pm

gets even sillier in Norway, the one supposed success country for EV’s . But they are subsidised to the tune of about £10,000 per vehicle. This subsidy is in effect payed out of the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund. I.e. Oil so to pay the subsidy you sell about 4000 gallons of oil to make CO2 somewhere in the world So that is another 160,000 miles to work off before you become carbon neutral. More total idiocy of policy

August 8, 2023 12:02 pm

governments can set any target they like, AND buy the cars, if they choose, but the public won’t go along with anything this stupid.

More Soylent Green!
Reply to  cuddywhiffer
August 8, 2023 1:10 pm

But the public voted the politicians into office.

ethical voter
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
August 8, 2023 3:53 pm

Yeah. Stupid and ignorant public = stupid and ignorant politicians. GIGO.
Solution = elect people who are way above average and independent so they can be themselves.

August 8, 2023 12:17 pm

Eight-year-old kid says, “I want a bicycle.”
Dad asks, “How are you going to pay for it?”

Eight-year-old kid says, “I want a bicycle.”
Mom asks, “How are you going to pay for it?”

Eight year old kid walks to school.

The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation … will … require increasing annual zero emission vehicle (ZEV) sales requirements starting at 35% in model year 2026 and increasing to 100% by model year 2035.

Everybody will be walking to school by 2035.

Curious George
Reply to  rovingbroker
August 9, 2023 7:43 am

What a beautiful idea. Mandate electric car sales. If a dealer does not sell enough electric cars, confiscate them and give them away. When you run out of dealerships, think of some other socialist idea.

The Dark Lord
August 8, 2023 12:22 pm

will be a brisk business in “straw buyers” in the NJ, CT, PA new car market I expect …

Dave Fair
Reply to  The Dark Lord
August 8, 2023 12:25 pm

And many other schemes. People are at least as intelligent as politicians and their bureaucrats and there are more of us and we’re not hampered by rigid ideology.

Reply to  Dave Fair
August 8, 2023 2:35 pm

Neither are the politicians–hampered by rigid ideology, that is. They do however want to control us. Do you think batteries can power the Presidential Beast long enough to drive from the White House to the Capitol and back? They will not be restricted by their rules, only we will be.

Trying to Play Nice
August 8, 2023 12:56 pm

Again, we can see where China is twelve steps ahead; many popular Evs in China are tiny, cheap EV runabouts that don’t have massive range, but get the job done. No such option is available here in North America, few in Europe, and if they do show up on these shores, it is a safe bet they will be of Chinese origin, because they’re the only ones that can make money at it.

You don’t see Chinese cars taking over the US market because those small, cheap vehicles do not meet the US safety standards. When they are beefed up to meet US standards they will be as big, heavy and expensive as the vehicles currently on the market. When Obama gave Chrysler to Fiat in exchange for a high mileage vehicle he, and Fiat, thought they would just sell a bunch of Fiat 500s and meet the requirement. After adding the extra materials required to meet US safety standards the European engine couldn’t move the vehicle over a speed bump without a running start.

August 8, 2023 1:22 pm

So in all this foofaraw of Net Zero emission standards, are there any metrics imposed to measure the result of all this pain and suffering? For instance could we measure the increased mortality against the cost of owning and purchasing an EV? Or what effect did this policy have on “global temperature”?

There should be some kind of metric available to measure the effect of implementing a new public policy. As well as a mechanism for modifying said policy if it turns out to have negative consequences.

August 8, 2023 2:22 pm

Battery vehicles are good business if you own a fist full of shares as Energy Secretary during the funding times (surely no conflict of interest there?)

Not so good for ordinary shareholders or employees if that business goes bust because no one wants them

August 8, 2023 3:38 pm

Very nice Roger. There is an easy way to put an end to all this nonsense. To show us the path forward all New Yorkers involved in requiring the transition must give up their ice vehicles by 2025, their residences must be removed from the grid as well as their office buildings. By 2027 all New York government employees must do the same. This way our leaders can show us unwashed how easy and beneficial their idea is. The whole idea would be forgotten by 2025. Bunch of morons!

Gunga Din
August 8, 2023 4:17 pm

Sounds like one of the solutions to our “existential threat” is meeting our “existential” reality.
More and more aren’t “buying it” anymore (even if they could afford it).

August 8, 2023 6:01 pm

Short of a miracle battery breakthrough, many will simply not trust EVs in cold weather and/or instances where battery power doesn’t cut it.

That is actually a worse case scenario for EV sales.
Lets say that industry advocates breathlessly claim that within one year this super battery capacity will be available for Tesla cars. Will double the range! Will allow recharge times half of the time now!

So you were in the market for an EV and you look at the landscape of current EVs with current battery technology and in the back of your mind you know that you will NEVER be able to sell this car and that if you only wait one year, you will get double the range and half the recharge time. You going to buy that EV with today’s battery technology or are you going to hobble along in your current sled?

And then twelve months turns into eighteen months, then twenty four months. They keep stretching out the roll-out date (like Tesla did w/r/t their truck). You are Ford, Government Motors or some other entity who doesn’t have this magic battery yet licensed, how do those sales look?

Richard Page
Reply to  AWG
August 8, 2023 8:24 pm

Tesla isn’t in a great position either. In 2022 they produced 34,000 more cars than they sold so have been slashing the prices by up to $9,000 and pushing more cars onto their dealers around the world.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Richard Page
August 9, 2023 8:04 am

In the UK in July new car registrations were 143,921 vehicles of which 58,150 were petrol, 5687 diesel and 23,010 BEVs. The remaining 57,000 were all types of hybrid EVs.

So far this year Petrol sales have been 455,727, Diesel 43,143, BEVs 175,978

As has been the case all this year it was sales of fleet vehicles and company cars that accounted for the majority of sales. (Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders -SMMT)

August 8, 2023 6:20 pm

I need help understanding how independent dealers are going to coordinate in such a manner that they will, in aggregate, hit the mandated ZEV/PHEV percentages.

Do people walk up to a dealership, point out the ICE car they want, plop down a down-payment and get in queue until the requisite ZEV/PHEV cars are sold before the next ICE can be sold/delivered?

Does this include light trucks? How will this effect fleet sales? Won’t it just be easier for people to cross the state border and buy an EV there and then register it in NY?

And if this is for new cars, will there be a market for companies outside of NY to take a new car, drive it around the lot to put a mile on the odometer, and then sell it as used as a “demo”, not new vehicle?

Reply to  AWG
August 8, 2023 9:31 pm

Thank you for noticing this AWG. This was my first thought while reading the article: Are total sales going to be determined by EV sales?

Reply to  AWG
August 9, 2023 5:17 am

These are all good questions. Another one is what about leased cars? If it is leased is it “sold” and then all your questions about the percentages come into play.

I think I will plan to buy a model year 2025 vehicle before this rule comes into effect.

Simon Derricutt
August 9, 2023 5:17 am

Modern ICEs are so paranoid about “pollution” that in a city the exhaust is actually less opaque (fewer particulates in the air) than the input air. Of course, they will produce CO2, but that’s really not a pollutant.

However, because of the increased weight, BEVs go through tyres around twice as fast, so it stands to reason they will produce around twice as much PM2.5 pollution than ICEs. BEVs actually produce more air pollution, and the only real fix for that is to remove the vehicles altogether (unless someone finds a better way of making the tyres, of course, that reduces wear).

Thus the “clean air” reason to go to BEVs isn’t valid anyway.

Tom Abbott
August 9, 2023 7:08 am

Why does it have to be a plug-in Hybrid?

Hybrids that don’t need to be plugged in would make a much better choice, and would eliminate many of the problems associated with electric cars, such as overloading the electric grid by charging EV’s, and range problems, since all you have to do is keep the gasoline tank sufficiently full and you can go anywhere.

And of course, it is never good when governments try to micromanage private businesses. Government bureaucrats are the last people you want in charge.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 9, 2023 8:36 am

The other question is why can’t it be a hybrid after 2035? Gotta be zero or we will all fry I guess.

August 11, 2023 10:57 am

Cuba was still driving 1950s Chevys in 2013. Will we still be driving 2020s in 2080

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