Reasoning about Climate Change

[More crap from ideologically captured social scientists who couldn’t tell you the atomic weight of a Hydrogen atom. ~cr]

Reasoning about climate change

Bence BagoDavid G RandGordon Pennycook 

Author Notes

PNAS Nexus, Volume 2, Issue 5, May 2023, pgad100, 

https://doi.org/10.1093/pnasnexus/pgad100

Published: 02 May 2023

 Article history

Abstract

Why is disbelief in anthropogenic climate change common despite broad scientific consensus to the contrary? A widely held explanation involves politically motivated (system 2) reasoning: Rather than helping uncover the truth, people use their reasoning abilities to protect their partisan identities and reject beliefs that threaten those identities. Despite the popularity of this account, the evidence supporting it (i) does not account for the fact that partisanship is confounded with prior beliefs about the world and (ii) is entirely correlational with respect to the effect of reasoning. Here, we address these shortcomings by (i) measuring prior beliefs and (ii) experimentally manipulating participants’ extent of reasoning using cognitive load and time pressure while they evaluate arguments for or against anthropogenic global warming. The results provide no support for the politically motivated system 2 reasoning account over other accounts: Engaging in more reasoning led people to have greater coherence between judgments and their prior beliefs about climate change—a process that can be consistent with rational (unbiased) Bayesian reasoning—and did not exacerbate the impact of partisanship once prior beliefs are accounted for.

Issue Section:

 Psychological and Cognitive Sciences

Editor: Michele Gelfand

Significance Statement

It is commonly argued that reasoning exacerbates political bias via identity-protective cognition. This theoretical account has had a particular influence on the explanation of partisan differences in the context of global warming. According to this account, people exert mental effort to defend their political identities by disputing identity-inconsistent information. However, our results provide no support for this account over other accounts. Beyond raising theoretical questions about how people reason about climate change, our findings suggest a potential alternative pathway for addressing it. Instead of focusing on interventions that try to decrease partisanship saliency when communicating about science, interventions aimed at providing accurate information about climate change may be effective in the long run.

Introduction

Skepticism about climate change and its human origins represents a major impediment to the adoption of climate change mitigation policies (1–3). One of the most commonly cited reasons for climate change denial is political partisanship or ideologies (4). In the United States, for example, people on the political right are more likely to believe that climate change is a hoax or that it is not caused by human activities (25–8). What is more, people with greater numerical ability and cognitive sophistication show more pronounced partisan differences in climate change beliefs, rather than greater agreement with the scientific consensus (9–13). That is, having stronger cognitive ability appears to not protect against climate misperceptions but instead bolster views that align with one’s political identity.

The most popular explanation of this result is provided by the motivated system 2 reasoning (MS2R) framework (1114–16). Motivated reasoning has been used in connection with a number of processes and motivations, but in this research, we specifically focus on political motivations, as they have been argued to be the primary drivers of climate change disbelief (11). This MS2R framework can be interpreted from the point of view of the dual-process perspective (17–19), which distinguishes between two types of reasoning processes: intuition (system 1) and deliberation (system 2). While intuition is considered a low-effort, quick, automatic response to stimuli, deliberation is a more effortful, time-consuming process. The MS2R framework asserts that cognitive abilities are linked to greater polarization because deliberation facilitates politically motivated reasoning: When faced with new evidence, engaging in deliberation better allows one to discredit the evidence if it is not congenial to one’s identity and partisan commitments (and vice versa when it is congenial). As a result, there are large partisan differences in what evidence is deemed credible, eventually leading to substantial polarization in beliefs. In the language of dual-process theory, deliberative reasoning processes are triggered to rationalize or justify identity-consistent intuitive impulses. In the context of climate change, this would mean that deliberation leads Republicans to reject evidence in favor of climate change (to protect their partisan identity), while deliberation leads Democrats to reject evidence questioning climate change (101120–23). If more cognitively sophisticated people engage in more deliberation, they will be better at aligning their judgments of evidence about climate change with their respective political identities.

This theory has enormous practical importance because, if it is true, common strategies such as educating people or making them more reflective will not be effective against climate change denial. In fact, such strategies will only serve to increase partisan differences (102324) (although there is evidence questioning this assumption (25–27)). Furthermore, from a theoretical perspective, this “MS2R” account stands in stark contrast to a common dual-process perspective—the “classical reasoning” view—whereby system 2 reasoning is thought to typically facilitate accuracy in a variety of decision-making tasks (182829). Put differently, the classical reasoning account posits that when people engage in deliberation, they tend to form more accurate beliefs, regardless of the partisan or identity alignment of the propositions that they are deliberating about (2930).

However, there are two serious limitations of the prior empirical research in this area. First, political identity is correlated with—but meaningfully separable from—people’s prior beliefs about climate change (31). In particular, Democrats are much more likely to believe that climate change is caused by human activity than Republicans. Yet, many Republicans do believe in anthropogenic climate change, and some Democrats do not, meaning that partisanship and priors are meaningfully distinct constructs. For example, a recent Pew survey found that 53% of conservative Republicans believe that human activity contributes to global warming to at least some degree, while 8% of moderate Democrats think that it does not (5). Yet most studies claiming to provide evidence of politically motivated reasoning have not measured these prior beliefs, which is highly problematic for making strong claims about politically motivated reasoning (31–33). Although partisanship might influence prior beliefs, many other factors also contribute to beliefs, such as who people judge trustworthy as well as family environment or life experiences (12), and prior beliefs may also influence partisanship. Thus, effects driven by prior beliefs do not provide positive evidence in support of politically motivated reasoning.

Indeed, recent correlational work finds that controlling for prior beliefs related to climate change nullifies the correlation between cognitive sophistication and partisan bias; instead, higher cognitive reflection was associated with placing greater emphasis on prior beliefs when evaluating new information (31). While evaluating new evidence in light of prior beliefs is sometimes called “confirmation bias” and can be a vehicle for politically motivated reasoning in so much as political identities influence prior beliefs, it is also possible that such evaluation can be entirely rational and unbiased from a Bayesian perspective1 when there is uncertainty about the reliability of sources (34–38). When considering evidence that is inconsistent with your prior beliefs, it can be rational to conclude that it is more likely that the information source is unreliable than it would be to take the stance that everything that (or much of what) you know about a topic is wrong. It is therefore essential to account for prior beliefs when attempting to test for politically motivated reasoning. Any relationships with identity that are not robust to controlling for prior beliefs do not provide positive evidence for politically motivated reasoning because they can be consistent with either political or accuracy motivations. Indeed, distinguishing the effects of prior beliefs and partisanship is important and common in the literature, even among proponents of the MS2R account, best described by Kahan (39): “Under [motivated system 2 reasoning], the signature feature of this form of information processing is the opportunistic adjustment of the weight-assigned evidence conditional on its conformity to positions associated with membership in identity-defining affinity groups. In Bayesian terms, there is an endogenous relationship between the likelihood ratio and a person’s political predispositions. It is this entanglement that distinguishes politically motivated reasoning from a normative conception of Bayesian information processing, in which the weight (likelihood ratio assigned) evidence is determined on the basis of valid, truth-seeking criteria independent of an individual’s cultural identity. [Motivated system 2 reasoning] also distinguishes politically motivated reasoning from cognitively biased forms of information processing in which the likelihood ratio is endogenous to some non-truth-seeking influence other than identity protection, such as an individuals’ priors in the case of confirmation bias,” although the effects of prior beliefs and partisanship have not been sufficiently empirically investigated in the context of investigating the apparent role of deliberation (3940).

Second, past research on MS2R has relied upon correlating individual differences in cognitive sophistication (e.g. cognitive reflection, numeracy, and education) with the extent of partisan differences on politicized issues (91141). Although it is generally thought that people scoring higher on cognitive sophistication scales are better at deliberation than people scoring lower on these scales, they also tend to differ in many other aspects. For example, they tend to generate different intuitions on many reasoning tasks (i.e. people who are more cognitively sophisticated also have different prior beliefs and knowledge than those who score lower (4243)). Thus, because this approach is correlational, it does not allow for the direct identification of causal effects of deliberation.

Current research

In the current research, we address both of these limitations. First, we provide a causal test of the role of intuition and deliberation on how people evaluate pro climate change and contra climate change arguments by forcing some participants to make judgments under cognitive load and time pressure. Second, we measure prior beliefs about climate change by asking how serious risk participants believe climate change to be and how much they agree that human activity causes climate change.

This paradigm allows us to shed new light on competing accounts of the role of deliberation in argument evaluation surrounding climate change: Does deliberation magnify partisan bias, consistent with the MS2R framework (11)? Or does it facilitate accurate assessments, consistent with a more classical perspective on reasoning (303137)?

Furthermore, we specify a third alternative. Previous research (e.g. studying blatantly false political news posts (30)) has argued that the classical reasoning approach simply predicts that more deliberation will lead to increased objective accuracy, defined here as holding a position more consistent with the scientific consensus on climate change. However, most people do not actually have direct access to the information needed to know the objectively accurate answer, particularly in the context of complicated technical issues like climate change. Thus, the classical reasoning account would not necessarily predict that deliberation leads to more objectively accurate views. Instead, accuracy-motivated deliberation may lead to improved coherence between one’s existing directly relevant beliefs and the stimuli being presented. That is, deliberation may increase the extent to which one evaluates whether new information makes sense in light of the relevant beliefs/knowledge that one has developed based on previous information that one has encountered (a process that, as discussed above, can be consistent with unbiased, rational Bayesian updating (34–37)). In this case, deliberation should magnify differences based on prior beliefs. As a result, finding that deliberation increases coherence with prior beliefs could be consistent with either a motivated or rational account.

In our experiments, we asked participants to indicate how much they agreed with politically neutral arguments about climate change (meaning that there were no references in them to specific policies or to politics in any way). These arguments were taken from “procon.org,” a website that collects arguments that were made in real life about several different topics. Arguments were content counter-balanced, such that for each statement, we created a pro and contra version, one of which was randomly assigned to a given participant; participants never saw both the pro and contra versions of the same argument. Altogether, they were presented with six arguments (half contra and half pro). Table 1 shows the pro and contra versions of an example item from our experiment (for a complete set of statements, see Table S1).


You can read the rest of the article explaining why and how your reasoning is deficient and that you are an emotionally manipulated troglodyte here.

Have fun discussing this tripe.

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Bryan A
May 6, 2023 10:22 pm

Abstract
Why is disbelief in anthropogenic climate change common despite broad scientific consensus to the contrary? A widely held explanation involves politically motivated (system 2) reasoning: Rather than helping uncover the truth, people use their reasoning abilities to protect their partisan identities and reject beliefs that threaten those identities. Despite the popularity of this account, the evidence supporting it (i) does not account for the fact that partisanship is confounded with prior beliefs about the world and (ii) is entirely correlational with respect to the effect of reasoning. Here, we address these shortcomings by (i) measuring prior beliefs and (ii) experimentally manipulating participants’ extent of reasoning using cognitive load and time pressure while they evaluate arguments for or against anthropogenic global warming. The results provide no support for the politically motivated system 2 reasoning account over other accounts: Engaging in more reasoning led people to have greater coherence between judgments and their prior beliefs about climate change—a process that can be consistent with rational (unbiased) Bayesian reasoning—and did not exacerbate the impact of partisanship once prior beliefs are accounted for.

The problem isn’t necessarily “disbelief” but one of apparent required “BELIEF” in the first place

sskinner
Reply to  Bryan A
May 7, 2023 1:19 am

Religion is a culture of faith (Belief); Science is a culture of doubt
R. Feynman
Don’t pay attention to ‘authorities,’ think for yourself.
R. Feynman
Scepticism is the highest of duties; blind faith the one unpardonable sin
Thomas Huxley

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Mark BLR
Reply to  sskinner
May 8, 2023 3:37 am

In science it often happens that scientists say, ‘You know that’s a really good argument; my position is mistaken,’ and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn’t happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.
Carl Sagan

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Bryan A
May 7, 2023 3:41 am

Rather than helping uncover the truth, people use their reasoning abilities to protect their partisan identities and reject beliefs that threaten those identities.

That works in both directions, Nick Stokes and Griff for example

sskinner
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
May 7, 2023 4:33 am

But it’s not reasoning if they don’t arrive at empirical knowledge?

Rich Davis
Reply to  sskinner
May 7, 2023 7:05 am

It’s not SCIENCE, if they do not test the hypotheses that they reason to. But it is still reasoning.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
May 7, 2023 5:36 am

It just ain’t right that people use their reasoning abilities yet don’t agree with the supposed consensus! 🙂

Rich Davis
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 7, 2023 7:06 am

Yes, that seems to be the attitude

Rich Davis
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
May 7, 2023 7:02 am

We can’t really know if Nick or the dearly departed griff are sincerely deluded or disingenuous partisans. (Of course we know that they are wrong because we know that we are right! 😝)

The reality is that when people are sincerely seeking truth, they apply reason not only to empirical observations but also to accepted premises or “beliefs”.

Observations are subject to measurement error and misapprehension of all sorts and can lead us to a wrong conclusion despite rigorous reasoning. Accepted premises or beliefs are theories to explain prior observations usually made by others (and could be unfounded or even fabricated).

Obviously conclusions made by others are potentially more likely to lead us astray than personal observations.

There is a second use of reason, which is to defend a personal or collective interest by constructing a plausible theory to explain the facts without concern for truth. This is the realm of liars, lawyers, and politicians, but then I repeat myself.

The politicians know and do not care that the explanation is likely false. The objective is to defend against a condition opposed to their interests, when necessary, at the expense of truth.

Even though the authors display an obvious bias and belief in catastrophic climate change religion, the basic concept seems sound to me, that people can be sincerely reasoning in a rigorous way but be misled by their incorrect beliefs.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 7, 2023 9:33 am

PS. Too late to edit, but I should have added: “Duh, obvious!”

BobM
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
May 7, 2023 9:34 am

Despite not agreeing with much of what Nick posts, I think he’s a valuable contributor, unlike Griff, who was mostly stupid.

Rich Davis
Reply to  BobM
May 7, 2023 12:06 pm

Hmm, I can’t strongly disagree about Nick because he does relentlessly nitpick (or as I say “Nickpick”) and as such unintentionally helps refine the climate realism case. I’m not inside his head, so I can’t be sure that his history of never conceding an inch is due to dishonest partisanship or if he’s a deluded true believer.

As for griff, he was useful because he made climate alarmists look foolish. I recall that I agreed with him twice, although I can’t recall the circumstances. Possibly then I disagreed with him approximately 99.9% of the time. His comments were almost always repetitive brain-dead cut-and-paste from the Grauniad, so that added nothing to the skeptical argument.

BobM
Reply to  Bryan A
May 7, 2023 9:38 am

OR, THIS:

Why is belief in dangerous anthropogenic climate change common despite broad empiric, scientific and historic evidence to the contrary? Etc., etc., etc.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  BobM
May 8, 2023 3:38 am

Yes, that’s the question that should be asked.

MarkW
May 6, 2023 10:24 pm

This nonsense is projection of the highest order.
Everything these non-scientists claim the skeptics are doing, is precisely what they are doing.
They use ever more elaborate and evasive tricks in order to hide from themselves and others, the fact that is not and never has been any science behind the scam of global warming.

Starting with the mythical consensus. It never existed, if it did, they wouldn’t need to cancel everyone who dares to disagree with them. If there was a consensus, then there would be no need for one so called scientific organization after another hide their data from outsiders.
If the so called consensus actually existed, they would have no trouble trotting legions of real scientists to give testimony, instead they have to use clowns like these guys.

Almost every since person behind the global warming scam is either
not a scientist in the first place and have no formal training in any endeavor that requiress knowledge of math beyond the 4th grade level. Or they have scientific credentials, but not in the field in which they are pontificating.

Mr David Guy-Johnson
Reply to  MarkW
May 6, 2023 10:54 pm

Your first sentence couldn’t be bettered

The Real Engineer
Reply to  Mr David Guy-Johnson
May 7, 2023 12:25 am

At work we used to call them non-persons, since persons is quite a curious flashback!

sherro01
Reply to  MarkW
May 7, 2023 5:03 am

Authors, please Psychoanalyse this assertion. (There is another paper in it for you.)
“I am a global warming sceptic because the claimed scientific consensus fails my scientific evaluation.”
My political beliefs have no effect on my science. Science is destroyed when beliefs are present.
There, in 2 lnes I have contributed more than your verbose paper contains.
Geoff S

Rich Davis
Reply to  sherro01
May 7, 2023 7:14 am

Geoff, with great respect, I think you are mistaken that your beliefs have no influence on your science. I do not imply that there is any conscious dishonesty. Only that you do not reason from first principles on everything you do.

Rich Davis
Reply to  MarkW
May 7, 2023 5:38 am

Projection? Absolutely! My only quibble is that the best of us do it, not only warmunists. It’s a human nature thing.

We need to always doubt the little leaps of faith that our subconscious mind takes in explaining the hidden motivations of others.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  MarkW
May 7, 2023 8:53 pm

The clown metaphor is deadly accurate on many levels, as is the clown headline picture, which evokes (in me, anyway) the deathly fear of clowns I and many others have harbored since childhood. Jack Handey perhaps best expressed why he fears clowns in Deep Thoughts:

“To me, clowns aren’t funny. In fact, they’re kind of scary. I’ve wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad.”

I believe that clowns represent the climate change activist’s highest ideal for human beings, because of the one and only activity at which clowns surpass all actual people: they are the world’s champions at ride sharing. Just imagine a world in which every human being could ride share like a clown. Every lane on a freeway would be for high occupancy vehicles, and they’d each only be about three feet wide, because: clown cars are little. We’d have many more lanes, and perhaps 20 times fewer cars competing for them. Just think of the carbon neutrality of it all!

I’m only half kidding…

Graham
May 6, 2023 11:00 pm

If anyone takes the time to look at the make up of the atmosphere they would soon realize this global warming climate change is the largest scam ever attempted.
Here are the facts .
Water vapour makes up 2 to 3 percent of the worlds atmosphere .
In parts per million that is from 20,000 to 30’000 parts per million .
Carbon dioxide is around 412 ppm and methane is just under 2 parts per million.
These trace gasses are swamped by water vapour .
There is no threat despite what we are being constantly told .

HB
Reply to  Graham
May 7, 2023 12:56 am

how does one force these idiots to read
Infrared Forcing by Greenhouse Gases
W. A. van Wijngaarden1 and W. Happer
That should make there tiny brains explode

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  HB
May 7, 2023 5:42 am

They’re social “scientists” so they are incapable of reading any real science.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 7, 2023 11:35 am

Whenever you read “social scientist” just substitute “mental masturbator.”

186no
Reply to  Graham
May 7, 2023 3:58 am

To say zilch about the ability/capacity of CO2 to reflect/absorb/allow safe passage heat when expressed as radiation (as I have read many many many times, from different astro physicists and others, scientist and non scientists, with Patrick Moore amongst their very large numbers).

William Howard
Reply to  Graham
May 7, 2023 6:00 am

It gets even better or worse depending on your point of view since the vast majority of the CO2 in the atmosphere is naturally occurring (each human emits 2lbs per day for instance not to mention trillions of breathing animals) so the % in the atmosphere from industrial and transportation is not even a rounding error and to believe that such a tiny amount of CO2 somehow magically controls the climate just defies all common sense

Rich Davis
Reply to  Graham
May 7, 2023 7:37 am

Sorry Graham, as one who arrives at precisely the same final conclusion as you, namely that there is no threat, your reasoning is not valid.

Nitrogen is 780,840 ppm
Oxygen is 209,470 ppm
That “swamps” water vapor, so I guess that water has no effect on earth?

Even inert Argon is 9,340 ppm so at 22.2x the current CO2 concentration of 420 ppm, doesn’t that prove that Argon is much more important than carbon dioxide?

There is of course a valid argument that water vapor negates the “risk” of CO2 because of the overlap between the IR frequencies absorbed by water and CO2. But you have oversimplified the question.

As Einstein said (and I paraphrase going from memory) we should keep things as simple as possible and no simpler.

ladylifegrows
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 7, 2023 4:25 pm

The amount of energy absorbed/retransmitted is the issue. The -OH substituent of a molecule absorbs more IR energy than anything else, by far. Then if there is 400-500 times more of it as well, then the percent contribution of CO2 is impossibly small. It cannot possibly be a measurable contributor to temperatures.
But people have had the AGW narrative screamed at them thousands of times over decades. It is not simple to counteract that.
How do we even communicate our “nonsense” (that’s what it looks like to believers) when ALL search engines, even the ones with no conscious bias, will not produce WUWT or any other truthful site to a searcher?

Rich Davis
Reply to  ladylifegrows
May 7, 2023 5:18 pm

Please see Mark W’s comment below. Not all frequencies can be absorbed by water vapor, which is why CO2 has an effect regardless of how much H2O is present. But it’s a small and beneficial effect.

Attempting to deny that there is any effect discredits climate realists.

MarkW
Reply to  Graham
May 7, 2023 9:16 am

While concentration does play a role, what also plays a role is what frequency bands are being absorbed.
There are bands that CO2 absorbs in, that water does not absorb in, so no matter what the relative concentrations of water and CO2, more CO2 will still result in more energy being absorbed.
Of course there is very little energy available in those bands, so even if CO2 manages to capture all the available energy in them, it won’t amount to much additional warming.

Steve Case
May 6, 2023 11:11 pm

Here’s a webpage that generates post modernism gibberish.

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Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Steve Case
May 7, 2023 4:51 am

Beyond parody.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
May 7, 2023 5:46 am

but 97% of social scientists agree with it! 🙂

Rich Davis
Reply to  Steve Case
May 7, 2023 7:55 am

That is a wonderful website. Thanks for the laughs.

Chris Hanley
May 6, 2023 11:13 pm

“Skepticism about climate change and its human origins represents a major impediment to the adoption of climate change mitigation policies … What is more, people with greater numerical ability and cognitive sophistication show more pronounced partisan differences in climate change beliefs, rather than greater agreement with the scientific consensus. That is, having stronger cognitive ability appears to not protect against climate misperceptions but instead bolster views that align with one’s political identity”.

The paper has over seven thousand words all based on the logical fallacy of false dichotomy: some people think that 100% of the measured net warming since say 1979 is 100% human caused and some people think none is human-caused.
Even if the warming since 1979 were 100% attributable to humans it does not follow that it is necessarily bad or that something must or even can be done to stop it.
Furthermore there is a simple inductive fallacy: “political identity” may be a result rather than a cause of a persons views of the totally human-driven climate change assumption.
In psychology “splitting (also called black-and-white thinking, thinking in extremes or all-or-nothing thinking) is the failure in a person’s thinking to bring together the dichotomy of both perceived positive and negative qualities of something into a cohesive, realistic whole. It is a common defense mechanism” (Wiki).

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Steve Case
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 7, 2023 1:08 am

“Even if the warming since 1979 were 100% attributable to humans it does not follow that it is necessarily bad or that something must or even can be done to stop it.”
_________________________________________________________

The Doran Zimmerman 2009 paper,
Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change,
asked two questions in a survey: 

1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?

2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

There wasn’t a 3rd question:

3. If you answered “risen” and “yes” to 1 & 2 above, do you think that changing temperature constitutes a serious problem for humanity or not?

If that third question had been asked, the 97% figure that has been bandied about for the last 14 years would have been much smaller. Probably pretty close to zero. 

bnice2000
Reply to  Steve Case
May 7, 2023 2:45 am

1… Yes.. Thank Goodness !

2… Urbanisation, bad sites, and data tampering have had a major warming effect on the surface temperature fabrications…
All are due to human activity.

Darn.. looks like I’m part of the 97% 😉

3… The rise is temperature is about 97% beneficial to humans…
The rise in atmospheric CO2 is 100% beneficial to all life on Earth.

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Steve Case
Reply to  bnice2000
May 7, 2023 10:02 am

“The rise is temperature is about 97% beneficial to humans…”
__________________________________________________

That one’s going in the file (-:

186no
Reply to  Steve Case
May 7, 2023 4:19 am

The 97% figure was “destroyed in seconds” when it was revealed that the percentage referred to ~ 40 “instances” – straight out of the RRR vs ARR playbook and so wafer thin as to be instantly visible as rubbish – out of many thousands where the vast majority of those same “thousands” expressed NO view about AGW/CC…..deliberate, specific, a la “Hockey Stick” and “lets remove the damning data” type of undeniable mendacity; this revelation should be “metaphorically” shoved as far up the collective back passage of the AGW/CC cult – hierarchy, priest/esses and all acolytes – each time the delusional AGW/CC brainwashed hit the “play” button (imho, of course)

MarkW
Reply to  186no
May 7, 2023 8:23 am

The study authors examined papers published during a particular time period, picked papers that from the title and summary appeared to have something to do with climate change, and emailed surveys to all of the authors listed in those papers.

  • There’s the first set of problems. The authors of the survey are not experts on climate change, so how could they accurately determine which papers were relevant and which were not. Secondly, many papers are multi-discipline. Let’s say there is a paper on weather/climate, that relies heavily on statistics. So the authors of the paper ask someone who is an expert on statistics to review their work. That expert gets his/her name added to the paper, even though they know nothing about weather/climate. That expert in statistics would have received a survey.

I don’t remember the exact number, but I believe the total number of surveys emailed was around 15,000. Out of those, a few thousand or less bothered to respond.

  • And here’s the second set of problems. Self selection bias. This is a well known problem to those who make a living out of creating surveys. How do you ensure that those who bother to respond to your survey constitute an accurate sampling of the population you are interested in? Most of the time, only those who care deeply about a subject will take the time to fill out a survey. So off the bat, you are already sampling those who believe climate change is a problem. Those who don’t believe it is a problem are much less likely to respond.

Of the small number that cared enough to respond, all but around 70 were winnowed out using methods that were barely explained and never justified.

Now to the issue of the questions themselves.

  • The questions that were asked were so generic, that I’m surprised that only 97% answered yes to all of them.
  • Beyond that, they failed to define their terms.
  • Did humans play a role in the warming? Definitely, however their are many ways for humans to impact the climate, CO2 is only one of them. The writers of the survey assumed that when the respondents answered yes to this question, the respondents were referring to CO2, but there is no way to be sure of that.
  • Also the question asked if human activity played a “significant” role in that warming. Depending on the group you are dealing with, the word significant can mean different things. To most scientists, a significant result is one that is discernible from the noise in your experiment.

All attempts to replicate the results of this survey using different methodologies have also failed.

hiskorr
Reply to  Steve Case
May 7, 2023 5:49 am

Unfortunately, the cited paper assumed that global “climate” is a useful concept, and that “mean global temperature” (MGT) is a useful proxy for global “climate”. Neither of these assumptions is proven, nor, I suggest, correct. The switch from CAGW to CACC was the greatest anti-science “bait-and-switch” deception in modern history.

hiskorr
Reply to  hiskorr
May 7, 2023 5:55 am

On second thought, it at least ranks right up there with the switch from “sex” to “gender”.

MarkW
Reply to  hiskorr
May 7, 2023 8:26 am

The problem with using the word “sex” is that it is both a noun and a verb.
Which is why scientific literature usually used gender, which is only a noun and means (or at least used to), the same thing.

It’s only recently that the word gender has been bastardized beyond recognition.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
May 8, 2023 3:48 am

75 of them, the last I heard.

Some people are crazy.

George Daddis
Reply to  Steve Case
May 8, 2023 7:07 am

If I recall correctly there WAS a 3rd question; along the lines of “Do your colleagues think the same way you do?” Hardly an objective question and I presume that was why it was not not publicized.

michael hart
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 7, 2023 4:53 am

Correct, Chris Hanley.
There are many people who believe anthropogenic warming is real but they also believe it is small and largely beneficial.

Even legacy media outlets used to refer to these people in the middle ground as “luke warmers”.

It wasn’t the skeptics that chose to forget about this phrase.

Rich Davis
Reply to  michael hart
May 7, 2023 8:06 am

I would go so far as to say that 97% of those maligned as “climate deniers” (an absurd term, but I digress) accept that the effect of increased CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is a slight warming. What we deny is the idea that this warming is harmful.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 7, 2023 11:41 am

What is more, people with greater numerical ability and cognitive sophistication show more pronounced partisan differences in climate change beliefs, rather than greater agreement with the scientific consensus.” This says it all.

strativarius
May 6, 2023 11:36 pm

Disbelief or a lack of belief….

Climate atheism

strativarius
Reply to  strativarius
May 7, 2023 4:34 am

In the sense of the Church of Anthropogenic Global Warming and Latter Day Morons….

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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  strativarius
May 7, 2023 5:49 am

with major temples in CA, NY and MA

Rich Davis
Reply to  strativarius
May 7, 2023 8:10 am

Funny but there’s no need to offend Mormons when they’re often solid on the climate change topic.

John Hultquist
Reply to  strativarius
May 7, 2023 8:51 am

I’d go with: “Cult of Anthropogenic Global Warming” or just “ClimateCult”™

StuM
May 6, 2023 11:37 pm

> interventions aimed at providing accurate information about climate change may be effective in the long run

The ONLY valid claim in the whole steaming pile of xxxxxxx

A pity that such accurate information is so hard to find and gets drowned out by the huge morass of political propaganda spewed out by the MSM.

MarkW
Reply to  StuM
May 7, 2023 8:28 am

The church of global warming has proclaimed that only their high priests are qualified to determine what data is accurate and what data isn’t.

That’s why they fight so hard to keep both their data and methods secret. Only releasing data that has been blessed by them.

leefor
May 6, 2023 11:45 pm

It simply shows Social Scientists ain’t scientists

StuM
Reply to  leefor
May 7, 2023 12:18 am

A self evident truth!
Any discipline that includes the word “Scientist” in its practitioners name, isn’t science!

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HB
Reply to  leefor
May 7, 2023 1:00 am

plus 1000 on that

MarkW
Reply to  leefor
May 7, 2023 8:30 am

Logically speaking, placing “social” in front of anything, is the equivalent of placing the word “not” in front of the same thing.

social science = not science
social justice = not justice

and so on.

Alexy Scherbakoff
May 6, 2023 11:46 pm

If you take what a psychologist says seriously, you are a bigger clown than they are.

The Real Engineer
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
May 7, 2023 12:28 am

Perhaps psychology is mis-named political ideology?

bnice2000
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
May 7, 2023 2:40 am

I have never met a sane, rational psychologist !

And I’ve met quite a few in my past jobs.

HotScot
May 7, 2023 12:37 am

Dear God.

What did we ever do to deserve this?

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
May 7, 2023 8:30 am

Voted for Democrats.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
May 8, 2023 3:53 am

Yes, voting for Democrats is the problem.

Democrats are nothing but trouble for ordinary folks.

Peta of Newark
May 7, 2023 12:50 am

Boring boring boring – we already know that everything we do is wrong.
Now tell us something we didn’t know.

This, hoping it works, is epic.
It is hysterical, worrying, dumb/stupid, patronising, hubristic, self important, magically conceived and and and – sigh – its just got everything.
It’s beautiful.

What makes it even more ghastly but sooo very funny, is that its creator so perfectly takes the piss out of AOC
………and the Chinese – that’s the glorious solid-gold 24-Carat dumbness and exemplifies soooo very much – the metaphor ‘Don’t bite the hand that feeds’ is so very apt

RickWill
May 7, 2023 1:03 am

You have to go to the link to find the Author notes. Three computer geeks who would not have a clue about heat transfer or the physical world that supports them

old cocky
Reply to  RickWill
May 7, 2023 2:21 am

It looks like 1 AI researcher, 1 Psychologist and 1 Economist

bnice2000
Reply to  old cocky
May 7, 2023 2:38 am

The AI researcher is a randomising bot…

The Psychologist has lost his marbles…

and the Economist just lost all his money on the horses.

old cocky
Reply to  bnice2000
May 7, 2023 4:37 am

There have to be more jokes there somewhere.
An AI researcher, a psychologist and an economist

  • are marooned on a desert island
  • walk into a bar
Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  old cocky
May 7, 2023 5:10 am
  • on a plane without pilot.
  • are taken hostage.
  • in a room. A stunning blonde enters …
old cocky
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
May 7, 2023 4:35 pm

in a room. A stunning blonde enters …

I’ve seen “A Beautiful Mind”. That’s how Russell Crowe came up with the idea which would lead on to the Nash Equilibrium.
Maybe his mates in the bar were an AI researcher and a psychologist.

Peta of Newark
May 7, 2023 1:09 am
Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Peta of Newark
May 7, 2023 4:58 am

They ‘value’ and are ‘disappointed’ …. The usual weasel words.

Can they really not come up with something more original?

Robert B
May 7, 2023 3:31 am

“Skepticism about climate change and its human origins represents a major impediment to the adoption of climate change mitigation policies”

Surely they are more self aware than this?

The impediment to the adoption of any policies are the consequences. If there were no costs, we would say “Go for it. Didn’t do jack? Who would have thunk it”.

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general custer
Reply to  Robert B
May 7, 2023 4:49 am

That first sentence negates whatever conclusion the abstract is meant to foster.

MarkW
Reply to  Robert B
May 7, 2023 8:38 am

I have yet to meet a social scientist who has much in the way of self awareness.

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gyan1
Reply to  Robert B
May 7, 2023 11:45 am

“Surely they are more self aware than this?”

They surely aren’t!

Ed Zuiderwijk
May 7, 2023 4:46 am

‘Rather than helping uncover the truth, people use their reasoning abilities to protect their partisan identities’

Oh irony. That perfectly describes the attempts to enforce a consensus and the gatekeeping on the access to publication opportunities.

RockyJ
May 7, 2023 4:52 am

This line says it all; “ What is more, people with greater numerical ability and cognitive sophistication show more pronounced partisan differences in climate change beliefs, rather than greater agreement with the scientific consensus”.

Gosh, those numerically literate people who can think for themselves are the problem.

Rich Davis
Reply to  RockyJ
May 7, 2023 8:30 am

Yes. Yes we are.

George Daddis
Reply to  RockyJ
May 8, 2023 7:17 am

Why was the adjective “partisan” necessary in that sentence?
Why assume cognitive sophistication results in partisanship? Wouldn’t the reverse be more likely?

One reason may be that since their paper was based on the possibility that partisanship was a cause of differences they had to include it; thus “begging the question”.

Rich Davis
Reply to  George Daddis
May 9, 2023 3:22 pm

Anyone who displays the correct usage of begging the question gets a plus one from me!

It doesnot add up
May 7, 2023 5:09 am

Here’s why there are educated people who do not accept the general wash of CAGW claims

https://wattsupwiththat.com/failed-prediction-timeline/

If climate science is to gain credibility it must stop making wild predictions that are soon undermined by reality, and start making predictions that come true, without a need to massage the historical record.

Dave Fair
Reply to  It doesnot add up
May 7, 2023 11:51 am

Additionally, the UN IPCC, Western governments, academics, NGOs and Leftist media must stop lying to us.

Joseph Zorzin
May 7, 2023 5:33 am

but… but… it’s peer reviewed so it MUST be true! 🙂

Citizen Smith
May 7, 2023 7:49 am

Bence BagoDavid G RandGordon Pennycook, that was a hoot. Good one. 

John Hultquist
May 7, 2023 9:08 am

Being an early signer of the Oregon Petition, I got to “scientific consensus” and my skepticism flared.

The Wikipedia page for the Oregon Petition is so biased that the writers of the paper (Bago, Rand, & Pennycook) would approve, although the composition of the wiki page is not so incomprehensible.

Dave Fair
May 7, 2023 11:28 am

Through the fog of Leftist psycho-babble I can discern that the smarter one is, the more scientifically educated one is and the more one studies the facts surrounding climate change (rather than simply following the narrative) the more likely one is to believe the Leftist CliSciFi climate change narrative is bullshit. Any other interpretations out there?

gyan1
May 7, 2023 11:40 am

“That is, having stronger cognitive ability appears to not protect against climate misperceptions”

The fundamental flaw in the study is assuming that anything contrary to the consensus is a misperception. Having stronger cognitive ability allows people to see through the pseudoscientific nonsense.

Robert B
Reply to  gyan1
May 7, 2023 7:11 pm

Kind of makes a mockery of the reasoning behind accepting the consensus.

Surely a consensus of those who have strong cognitive ability but don’t have a snout in the trough is more meaningful?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  gyan1
May 8, 2023 4:04 am

“The fundamental flaw in the study is assuming that anything contrary to the consensus is a misperception.”

Exactly.

These climate alarmists are assuming too much. Assuming skeptics don’t have legitimate questions. Assuming CO2 is a dangerous gas even though there is no evidence this is the case. Assuming they know better than the skeptics.

Unsubstantiated assumptions is what we have here. This is standard operating procedure for climate change alarmists.

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Gunga Din
May 7, 2023 12:52 pm

Skepticism about climate change and its human origins represents a major impediment to the adoption of climate change mitigation policies The Cause and it’s The Green New Deal”

n.n
May 7, 2023 12:58 pm

Climate cooling… warming… uh, change. I jest you not.

BurlHenry
May 7, 2023 1:04 pm

I am certain that CAGW is real, and I can prove that is happening.

However, the caveat is that it is NOT being caused by CO2 or other greenhouse gasses; rather, it is being caused by man’s efforts to reduce the level of industrial SO2 aerosols in the atmosphere because of Acid Rain and health concerns, beginning in the mid-1970’s, and more recently, due to banning the burning of fossil fuels, which produce both CO2, and SO2 aerosols

Which leads to another level of denial.

Why, if a clear, easily provable, explanation of our warming planet is presented, is it routinely ignored or rejected?

I hope that the answer isn’t simply “follow the money”

Bob
May 7, 2023 4:07 pm

These people truly make me angry.

ladylifegrows
May 7, 2023 4:16 pm

I wonder how anybody ever finds WUWT these Days. Before all the search engine censorship, WUWT was the world’s most widely read website on climate change because it included all sides in highly scientific, yet readble form. Today, try any search engine on “climate change” or “global warming.” If the engine claims to have more than or or 5 pages of results on ANYTHING, even pancakes or other noncontroversial subject, you wil see that results pages are all the same 1 or 2 pages after the first few pages. And WUWT and other quality skeptic sites never appear.
Some, such as Brave Bowser’s search engine, claim to be unbiased, but results are similar, no WUWT, no positive info on Trump except his own website.
Apparently, Brave uses its own database, but it would seem that that database dgets its results from where Brave users go–when they can’t go to sites they’ve never heard of.
Anybody have any ideas for fixing this deadly serious search engine skewing?

jleefeldman
May 7, 2023 5:14 pm

“That is, having stronger cognitive ability appears to not protect against climate misperceptions but instead bolster views that align with one’s political identity.“

does this apply to the authors? Self defeating argument?

observa
May 8, 2023 3:23 am

Why is disbelief in anthropogenic climate change common despite broad scientific consensus to the contrary?

Funny you should ask as I’d only just finished pointing out to the missus how lucky she is being married to such an intelligent rational man of science in this day and age-
What happened when my husband ‘went green’ (msn.com)

Tom Abbott
May 8, 2023 3:33 am

From the article: “It is commonly argued that reasoning exacerbates political bias via identity-protective cognition. This theoretical account has had a particular influence on the explanation of partisan differences in the context of global warming.”

I don’t know about you, but my problems with the Human-caused Global Warming/Climate Change narrative has nothing to do with politics, and every thing to do with the lack of evidence supporting this narrative.

The climate alarmists want to make it out like being a climate change skeptic is just a knee-jerk partisan Republican/Conservative reaction, with no thought given to the science.

There is no evidence for Human-caused Global Warming/Climate Change. That is what is behind the skepticism. Not politics.

BurlHenry
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 8, 2023 12:40 pm

Tom Abbott:

CAGW IS REAL:

Did you miss my earlier post yesterday, just above?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  BurlHenry
May 9, 2023 3:36 am

Burl, there *is* evidence that a very large volcanic eruption can cause a temperature change in the Earth’s atmosphere for a year or two, but, the jury is still out as to the effects of smaller volcanic eruptions and the effects of human-derived CO2, imo.

I haven’t ruled out your theory, but I haven’t ruled it in, either. Yet. I’m waiting for more information.

Mark BLR
May 8, 2023 4:45 am

For a study that ends up saying the more important issue is “prior beliefs” than “partisanship” the following, at the end of the first paragraph in the “Results” section, is at least an admission that they may be subject to “selection bias” :

As shown in Fig. 1, a majority of participants from both parties believed in human-caused climate change. Thus, being Republican does not necessarily mean that one is a climate denier.

NB : A screenshot of their “Fig. 1” is attached to the end of this post.

When it comes to defining what “objectively accurate” knowledge means, they are quite open about their “prior beliefs”.

In the third paragraph of the “Current research” section :

Previous research (e.g. studying blatantly false political news posts (30)) has argued that the classical reasoning approach simply predicts that more deliberation will lead to increased objective accuracy, defined here as holding a position more consistent with the scientific con­sensus on climate change. However, most people do not actually have direct access to the information needed to know the object­ively accurate answer, particularly in the context of complicated technical issues like climate change.

NB : The IPCC reports, especially the WG-I “Scientific Basis” ones, are freely available. Unfortunately most people don’t read any further than the SPM.

– – – – –

The most blatant example of “cognitive dissonance” that I saw on my first “quick skim” of the example statements they provided to their test subjects — helpfully included in the “Supplementary Material” to the paper — was the following.

From the start of a “Contrary to climate change” argument :

Even if humans are creating a slightly warmer climate, it’s not necessarily a bad thing. The underlying assumption that virtually all climate alarmists operate under is that the warming Earth is experiencing now is harmful, destructive and dangerous, but there is much evidence to suggest that moderate warming benefits most plants, animals and humans.

The matched “Pro climate change” argument :

There are some clear disadvantages to a warmer climate:

[ Four bullet points … ]

Ignore any and all “evidence” of positive outcomes, focus exclusively on a list of “Bad Things” that “will definitely” result from CAGW …

– – – – –

The paper is full of disparagement of relying on “entirely correlational” arguments to try and “persuade” deniers to change their minds.

Although they don’t state it directly the paper’s authors seem to be well aware of the scientific axiom that “correlation does not equal causation”.

However, at the start of another “Pro climate change” argument :

Dramatic changes in precipitation, such as heavier storms and less snow, are another sign that humans are causing global climate change.

– – – – –

It may take a lot longer than it should, but I think the final conclusion of the “Discussion” section, which is echoed in the “Significance Statement” at the start of the paper, will come back to haunt them (and a lot of other “alarmists”) :

The data presented here do not provide support for the domin­ant MS2R account of climate misbelief.

Instead, our results are as consistent with climate deniers making a good-faith effort to form accurate beliefs, but operating with corrupted prior beliefs, as they are with MS2R.

If this accuracy-motivated explanation is cor­rect, the blame for climate denial would then rest far more on the producers and distributors of climate misinformation than on the public.

This emphasizes the key role of effective climate commu­nication—disseminating accurate information about climate change in an engaging manner is essential for winning the battle against climate denial.

See for example CMoB’s recent “elephants in the room” article right here on WUWT.

His writing style is much more “engaging” than mine.

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Ulric Lyons
May 8, 2023 6:20 am

“Rather than helping uncover the truth, people use their reasoning abilities to protect their partisan identities and reject beliefs that threaten those identities.”!

That needs fixing:

Rather than helping uncover the truth, alarmists use their demeaning doublespeak abilities to protect their partisan identities and reject truths that threaten those identities.

Confounding the intuition with nonsense destroys their means and ability to reason and deliberate.

Danley B. Wolfe
May 8, 2023 11:52 am

Do you mean the molecular weight of mono0hydrogen or dihydrogen 🙂 …just kidding. The same ol’ b.s. arguments based on concensus not SCIENCE put forth by people on the payroll. Hmmm… do I believe in global warming … sur do … I teach it at my university and get to publish papers supporting all the climate change ‘theory’.

DStayer
May 8, 2023 12:13 pm

If these “Social scienctists” were actually “Scientists” they wouldn’t even have to ask the question. There is no such thing as consensus in science. Science is at its heart skeptical, and when pseudo scientists make efforts to hide their data, their methodology, where they seek to prevent publication of studies that contradict their view they have left science behind and no longer deserve to be called “Scientists”. Unfortunately many in the climate catastrophe movement fit this category. On. top of all this there has been no scientific validation of the computer models they use to create their scary scenarios. The models have failed in every respect, in hind casting or forecasting, they are not fit for purpose. They have been manufactured not to advance scientific knowledge about climate but to achieve a political end. It is time for people to wake up to this fact!

Eamon Butler
May 8, 2023 3:04 pm

There is a difference between a ”belief” and a profound understanding of a concept.

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