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Great Car Reset: Biden’s EPA to release strict new fed emissions standard to ‘move U.S. car market decisively toward electric vehicles’ – ‘Up to 2/3’ of cars sold mandated to be EV by 2032

From Climate Depot

The Great Car Reset has arrived: Our transportation system is being intentionally collapsed; (and our freedom of movement is being stripped away) EVs to be forced upon YOU without a vote!

Marc Morano: “This is the planned rationing of vehicles. The planned rationing of American cars. That’s the only way this plan makes sense … the only result is going to be shortages of cars and a completely altered used car market. You can look to Cuba to find out what it’s like to have a raging used car market because that’s what we’re looking at here. And you can look to old East Germany. East Germany had their famed Trabant car, where people would have to get on waiting lists for years to get one and that’s what we’re faced with here when the government is going to mandate you can only buy a new electric car. … An Australian bank is announcing it’s not going to give financing for loans to anyone buying a gas-powered car. The World Bank has now announced it wants to set a timetable to stop the funding for — even at the automaker level for gas-powered cars. The powers that be, the corporate world, the bankers, the governments, academia — they’ve decided that gas-powered cars are over and they’re putting all the forces into play to end it without our say in it.

And if you somehow avoid the gas car bans, they will make obtaining gas for it a nightmare! See:Gas Station Bans Next on Climate Agenda: Colorado city BANS new gas stations due to ‘obligation’ to tackle ‘climate change’ – Follows California cities)&  All the while, China is laughing at us. See: (Net Zero’s Global Winner is — China! ‘US hasn’t noticed yet that China-Made cars are taking over the world’ – Poised to become No. 2 exporter of cars, surpassing US & S. Korea)

By: Admin – Climate Depot

(CNN) — The US Environmental Protection Agency is preparing to release strict new proposed federal emissions standards for light-duty vehicles that, if implemented, would move the US car market decisively toward electric vehicles over the next decade.

The EPA is considering emissions standards that could make up to two-thirds of new passenger vehicles sold in the US electric by 2032, according to a source familiar with the proposal.

If implemented, the new greenhouse gas performance standards would start for light-duty vehicles that are model year 2027 and gradually increase through model year 2032.

By 2032, the rules would ensure that 64% to 67% of all new-car sales in the US would be electric vehicles, according to the source.

The EPA’s proposal, which was first reported by The New York Times, comes after California air regulators voted last year to ban the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035 and set interim targets to phase these cars out.

EPA spokesperson Tim Carroll did not comment on the specifics of the proposal but said the agency is working on developing new standards “to accelerate the transition to a zero-emissions transportation future, protecting people and the planet,” as directed by a previous executive order from President Joe Biden.

“Once the interagency review process is completed, the proposals will be signed, published in the Federal Register, and made available for public review and comment,” Carroll said.

The new rules could come as soon as Wednesday.

The EPA proposal is a monumental step toward zero-emissions vehicles, coming as the US tries to keep up with other countries racing toward EV adoption, one expert told CNN.

“I believe it’s pretty doable,” said Margo Oge, chair of the International Council on Clean Transportation and a former Obama EPA official. “The industry is there. Europe is ahead of the US, China is ahead of Europe, and these companies are global companies.”

Oge noted that in the US, California is already proposing 70% new zero-emissions vehicle sales by 2030 and other states are planning to adopt California’s rules – meaning much of the US car industry will be transitioning ahead of any proposed federal rule.

Still, the EPA’s proposal takes a different approach from California’s policy. Whereas California is mandating car companies sell a certain percentage of electric vehicles, the EPA would gradually raise greenhouse gas emissions standards to increasingly stringent levels from 2027 to 2032, pushing the industry toward electric vehicles to meet those high standards.

The EPA rule would ensure that the rest of the country and the US car industry would follow California’s lead, Oge said.

Biden has made electrifying the cars that Americans drive a key part of his climate goals. In 2021, the president set a new target that half of all vehicles sold in the US by 2030 would be battery electric, fuel-cell electric or plug-in hybrid.

The US Treasury Department is set to release rules for new federal electric vehicle tax credits on April 18. While these tax credits are complex and could take time for consumers to take full advantage of, experts hope they will help accelerate the transition to EVs in the US.

“Given the industry, the [Inflation Reduction Act] and what companies are doing globally, I just don’t see this number as being out of reach,” Oge said.

The proposed EPA rules will go through a lengthy public comment process and could be changed before they are finalized.

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April 11, 2023 6:08 pm

We’re the folks who PREFER petroleum-powered automobiles, and WE VOTE!

Reply to  insufficientlysensitive
April 11, 2023 6:56 pm

Idiots vote too and there are a lot of them.

Reply to  Scissor
April 11, 2023 7:31 pm

Who the hell were those people? They were on a panel addressing global warming and they didn’t know what percent of the atmosphere was CO2? Fire all of them today!

Reply to  Bob
April 12, 2023 5:16 am

These folks, and the vast majority of DC politicos have no idea about science. They are mostly lawyers and lawfare experts who have been hired to deconstruct existing social structures through 1000 legal cuts. They have no idea about the long-term results of what they do. They are there for the paycheck and damn everyone else but them and their klans.

Reply to  sciguy54
April 12, 2023 10:25 am

Its easy to make people look dumb by asking them to talk about what they don’t know. A real scientist could not survive in the world of a  DC politico.

Reply to  KevinM
April 12, 2023 2:24 pm

Then, WHY are they on that Panel?

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  KevinM
April 13, 2023 8:59 am

I’m not a climate scientist and I’m not involved on a panel trying to stop the “climate crisis”, yet I know the answer to that question. Your argument is extremely weak.

Reply to  Scissor
April 11, 2023 10:16 pm

Not much choice in US or Australia. Idiots voting for idiots.

Australia has one or two politicians in minor parties who have solid understanding of the climate religion but they have muted influence despite their superior knowledge.

Proof of idiots serving idiots.

These idiots are so stupid that they would not even understand the difference between 5% and 0.04%.

Bryan A
Reply to  RickWill
April 11, 2023 11:05 pm

News flash…
The US sold 2.89m passenger cars in 2022
The US sold 11.6m light trucks in 2021
The US sold 750k heavy duty trucks in 2020
That’s just over 15m vehicles (cars, trucks and Semis) sold yearly.
EVs manufactured and sold a dismal 608,000 cars in 2021
To make Biden’s magic number either manufacturing needs to increase 1500% over 8 years (with matching increases in materials mining and ore processing/refinement) or demand must decrease by 95%. That’s the only way to ensure that 2/3 of all sales in 2032 are EVs

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Bryan A
April 12, 2023 9:05 am

And since few actually WANT EVs, and fewer will want them once they’ve had any experience owning one, good luck with the “sales” diktats.

Reply to  AGW is Not Science
April 12, 2023 10:33 am

If the price is right I’ll drive anything. I wish more good options were made in USA. American labor is so expensive.

Reply to  KevinM
April 12, 2023 2:29 pm

Sounds like someone has pretty weak Principles.

Bryan A
Reply to  KevinM
April 12, 2023 10:24 pm

I’d rather pay a little more for Made In America labor than invest in Cheap Chinese ©r@p
And unfortunately most Li-Ion batteries and by extension EVs respectively are powered by cheap ©r@p from China

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Reply to  AGW is Not Science
April 12, 2023 2:27 pm

The aim, it appears (long since), is to keep everyone in the cities, where they are more easily “controlled”.

Reply to  Bryan A
April 12, 2023 10:32 am

Hyundai and Kia happened fast and stuck. Yugo, Geo and Saturn happened fast then failed. Fast is <10 years to general name recognition in the USA auto market from near zero during my lifetime.

I used to think “Kia! that sounds like a terrible option”, then I started thinking “I sure see a lot of Kias”, then I started thinking “Okay Kia is a kind of car that real people drive”.

Reply to  KevinM
April 12, 2023 6:36 pm

Saturn did not “fail”. It was shut down by the Obama administration when they took over GM because it was the only division of General Motors that was not Unionized. It was 100% political as it was one of the few parts of GM that were making a profit before the 2008 crash.

Bryan A
Reply to  KevinM
April 12, 2023 10:20 pm

Farmers Insurance will no longer write Auto policies for Hyundai and KIA due to their likelihood of being stolen. Korean International Auto (KIA) used to have a different meaning in Korea back in the ’50s

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Bryan A
April 13, 2023 9:01 am

They also have been spontaneously combusting and use very old technology to keep their price low to attract uninformed buyers.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Bryan A
April 12, 2023 6:07 pm

Gov’t looking out for us
How thankful we should be
Mandated Cuban car markets
Right here for you and me

Your EV takes all night to charge
To work is where you go
Fulfill your betters’ wants and needs
(That is your role, you know)

Forget the myth of road trips
No gas to get you there
Vacation Land is not for serfs
Elites don’t need to share

Barnes Moore
Reply to  Scissor
April 12, 2023 4:45 am

And the idiots appear to vastly outnumber the rest. I live in a blue part of a very red county in Florida, and even the remaining few conservatives here have very poor understanding of the climate hysteria, and the level of ignorance coming from the libs is in a word, breathtaking. Very few pay any serious attention and just go along to get along. Any real discussion is virtually impossible – people just don’t want to engage.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Barnes Moore
April 12, 2023 5:12 am

try living in Woke-achusetts where about 99.9% of the public are thoroughly brainwashed climate cult worshipers- there is no such thing as a conversation about climate change- the discussion is over- the new religion rules

Reply to  Barnes Moore
April 12, 2023 2:30 pm

 people just don’t want to engage.” Reason Number One why the USA is in the lousy state it is.

Reply to  Scissor
April 12, 2023 10:16 am

many commenters complain about the proliferation of idiots, but nobody mentions why. We are dealing with the fruit of well organized community influencing and propaganda ops and we refuse to engage in community action. I write a short essay for this forum describing what can be done to generate millions of revenue for writers of the books offered here and the editor asked me to reveal my identity. My employer will promptly fire me if I do. On my own I try get Bob Tisdale’s book purchased by the local library and after the purchasing manager declines on the premise of “author is not qualified”, I ask Tisdale to give me something to argue the case, but he ignores me. Yes, there will be a lot of idiots until we stop behaving like idiots.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  insufficientlysensitive
April 12, 2023 5:02 am

I’d prefer an EV if I could afford one but I can’t, so I reserve the right to have an ICE car. Yet, the right will be taken away without due cause. Not happy about this.

Edward Katz
April 11, 2023 6:09 pm

Consumers and voters had better start kicking up a big fuss about such mandates; otherwise, they’ll find themselves over a barrel by being forced to buy only EVs that the manufacturers will be able to keep overpriced as they are already. It seems to me that there’s pushback on such rules in Britain and Germany. We need the same on this continent.

Reply to  Edward Katz
April 12, 2023 6:03 am

It is only when the bovine effluent hits the rotating airfoils that the average consumer and voter will actually realize something is wrong.

Sam Capricci
April 11, 2023 6:12 pm

I guess that leaves us with three choices.

1) never vote to give Democrats power again. (I’m already there.)

2) maintain our ICE vehicles, until these people are out of power.

3) make our voices heard if they try to get rid of fossil fuels.

Reply to  Sam Capricci
April 11, 2023 10:22 pm

Individuals in western countries are in self-preservation mode. The odds are stacked against getting anything sensible done at community level.

Make certain you are in the right place to ride out the reality check.

John Oliver
Reply to  RickWill
April 12, 2023 6:34 am

yea Rick I agree. This is really getting serious now. And most people hav nt a clue.

Reply to  Sam Capricci
April 12, 2023 6:34 am

Last time I voted for a democrat was 1986, county DA, was supposed to be a great choice. Turned out to be corrupt and to resign or something. I told myself “Never again.”

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  karlomonte
April 12, 2023 11:17 am

I campaigned for a democrat as part of a social studies assignment in high school; by the time I hit voting age, I already knew better.

April 11, 2023 6:17 pm

I think I just heard the ratchet of Ruling Class Totalitarianism click another two notches (as in, greater restriction on freedoms). Now the ‘conservatives’ and populists will ‘fight back’ and one click will be undone. Until the next two clicks. Legislation by the executive and the deep state..

Reply to  JBP
April 11, 2023 7:28 pm

It’s bureaucrat tyranny – unaccountable clerks using their useful idiot politicians to push green ideology at any cost.

Reply to  JBP
April 12, 2023 10:39 am

Using organizations like EPA to make laws is two-edged. Current leadership can’t make things happen fast without setting precedents that allow the next guy to make things happen even faster.

April 11, 2023 6:18 pm

What law empowers the EPA to do this?

Sam Capricci
Reply to  Denis
April 11, 2023 6:33 pm

I would say offhand it is the law of whoever is in power makes the rules, they’ve got the jails, the courts and the guns. On top of that they have infiltrated every rule making agency in DC with people who believe in the cause, think like them and act like them. They are drunk with power and intend to use it.

And with more and more “woke” companies and how the progressives have been trying to load up their boards of directors with greenies, the businesses don’t want to fight it. Plus now they are being threatened with loss of insurances and funding if they do not adhere to their social credit scores (ESG scores).

Reply to  Denis
April 11, 2023 7:03 pm

CARB law from California

Reply to  Denis
April 12, 2023 7:11 am

If you could stretch the Constitution’s commerce clause to cover this, then the Constitution is meaningless.

Reply to  mcsandberg007
April 12, 2023 8:57 am

The Constitution has been gutted and is pretty much meaningless now. It is unlikely to make a comeback. My children were taught that it is an outdated document written by racists to preserve white privilege.

Reply to  gyan1
April 12, 2023 9:09 am

All too true, the greatest political document ever written and the progressives aren’t able to understand it.

Reply to  mcsandberg007
April 12, 2023 9:17 am

“progressives aren’t able to understand it.”

Because they have allowed ideology to replace reason. Understanding is not what they do. Rejecting evidence contrary to their false beliefs is.

Reply to  mcsandberg007
April 12, 2023 10:42 am

I don’t believe “aren’t able” is correct word choice

Ron Long
April 11, 2023 6:25 pm

EV’s? My twin brother and I had an electric train once, when we got tired of playing with it, we sent it around the track at high-speed and shot at it with bb guns. Of course, I’m not recommending……………because that would be illegal.

Tom Halla
April 11, 2023 6:38 pm

I really fear the effects of ballot harvesting. These puppies act as if they know they do not have to fear reaction to their fanaticism.

April 11, 2023 7:02 pm

We’re going to need quantum computers to roll back all the damage done in agencies by Dems and their advocacy armies.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
April 12, 2023 6:42 pm

not really. Step 1. Fire all the current Civil Servants. Step 2. Clear the Code of Federal Register. Step 3. Make Congress write coherent laws in normal order.

Len Werner
April 11, 2023 7:05 pm

Remember that morning a couple of years ago when nobody’s Tesla would ‘start’ one morning?–the company blamed it on an update-related computer glitch. My thought at the time was I bet not; it was a test to see if the system worked, that any and every one of their cars could be commanded remotely to start or not. So the question of ‘how will the grid support all these electric cars?- is answered by ‘it won’t have to; the government will decide when and how much you can drive. That’s why the push to electric cars; more easily controlled remotely.

I also don’t see the same thing happening as did in Cuba; it will simply be declared illegal to repair an ICE vehicle, punishable by imprisonment if you’re caught.

Everyone should have seen this coming, but too many thought they were too smart to be duped as they marched to the cave.

The format of this is terrible, but the message seems quite clear–

Reply to  Len Werner
April 11, 2023 8:44 pm

So the question of ‘how will the grid support all these electric cars?- is answered by ‘it won’t have to; the government will decide when and how much you can drive. 

Not so much how much you can drive but how much you can recharge in order to hang the grid together at night when the sun isn’t shining-
Queensland’s Home EV Charger Gotcha (
They don’t call them smart meters and controlled loads for nothing.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  observa
April 11, 2023 11:42 pm

Something very similar is happening in the UK – in that all new homes being built (300,000 per year) must now have two smart meters.
One for home/domestic use and the other dedicated to an EV charger

Cynics amongst us know that, unlike the Aussie claim of ‘cheaper electric’ to charge the car, the smart-meter charger will be adding extra tax ## and oh-so very simply, a Pay-per-Mile Road tax.
Which and thanks to the Tesla Test we’re reading about, the car will know how much juice it was filled with, when it was filled and how far it goes, when it goes where it goes etc etc and be constantly relaying that back to Big Brother in Number 11 Downing St. (Home of the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
And the cops.

## Tax.
e.g. Fuel for use in the home (gas, electric, oil) is charged 5% tax, presently in the UK. Fuel for use anywhere else, esp motor fuel, attracts tax at 20%

The tax implications are why the simplest, cheapest fastest way to reduce transport emissions of CO2 wasn’t implemented
i.e. Allow ordinary existing cars to be modified to run on natural gas. All they’d really need is a new fuel tank.
But then, enterprising folks would instantly work out how to refill their cars at home using the existing Mains Gas and so avoid the 75pence per litre tax that is levied on petrol and diesel.
UK Gov would be bankrupt/overspent within a week if that flow stopped.
Begging the question of how they replace it in a world full of EVs

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Reply to  Peta of Newark
April 12, 2023 5:26 am

Cynics amongst us know that, unlike the Aussie claim of ‘cheaper electric’ to charge the car, the smart-meter charger will be adding extra tax ## and oh-so very simply, a Pay-per-Mile Road tax.

Aside from that taxing capability blind freddy knows what will happen to power prices at night ditching coal power completely and the sun isn’t shining on all the solar panels. Currently at night the Oz NEM grid is regularly running on 75-85% fossil fuels now so where is the renewable capacity to refuel all the purported EVs?

You’d really want them absorbing the solar duck curve during the day but where are all the chargers for workday carparking now let alone the taxis and tradey/delivery vehicles etc on the move? Utter fantasy from childish Gretaheads.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
April 12, 2023 10:57 am

Re: tax implications

The next gen are simplifying by equalizing by removing finer distinctions between catagories of people, catagories of culture and catagories of objects.

i.e. ” an electron is an electron”

Len Werner
Reply to  observa
April 13, 2023 11:37 am

“Fifteen Minute cities”; go out of your allowed zone and the car shuts down.

I have two vehicles, made 2011 and 2015; both have navigation systems that know within a few meters when I pass a change in speed zone. Programming the software to shut the vehicle down if I go outside of an allotted space or ration of kilometres is certainly possible.

It is my prediction that government will eventually do this for two simple reasons: 1. they can; and 2. they’d really like to have that kind of control. They may play nudge and back off a couple of times, but suddenly it will be normalized.

Reply to  Len Werner
April 12, 2023 10:48 am

 the government will decide when and how much you can drive

Sounds like work including a big IT project. Can the federal gov achieve a project like that within a human time scale?

Walter Sobchak
April 11, 2023 7:57 pm

You can look to Cuba to find out what it’s like to have a raging used car market because that’s what we’re looking at here.”

The operatives of the Brandon regime regard making the US look like Cuba as a feature not a bug. They love Cuba, and they hate the US.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 11, 2023 8:28 pm

sorry about the bold face. the edit bug on this web site won’t let me fix it.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 12, 2023 4:50 am

“You can look to Cuba to find out what it’s like to have a raging used car market because that’s what we’re looking at here.”

It seems to work on Firefox/Ubuntu.

Frank from NoVA
April 11, 2023 8:34 pm

‘The EPA rule would ensure that the rest of the country and the US car industry would follow California’s lead, Oge said.’

Obviously, the intent of the new rules probably has less to do with advancing EV sales than with effectively reducing the mobility of Americans by eliminating domestic production of ICE vehicles – – a goal that the Left correctly believes that America’s woke and crony capitalist car makers will fall all over themselves to support.

In response, we badly need the next President to understand that building motor vehicles is not rocket science, and that there are many developing country manufactures who build highly capable and affordable ICE vehicles that routinely outperform our domestic models. I think that just one ‘goodwill visit’ by this President to a couple of these manufacturers would make it abundantly clear to our domestic industry workers and executives that they should think twice before eliminating ICE vehicles from their offerings.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
April 12, 2023 2:44 pm

While he was in office, PJDT did pretty much EXACTLY what your post suggests.

Dennis Gerald Sandberg
April 11, 2023 8:38 pm

I don’t care who you are that right there is funny (or words to that effect from the cable guy). Incredible.

April 11, 2023 8:45 pm

EV Vehicle: An automobile that is built in a factory that uses electricity from burning fossil fuels and runs on electricity provided to batteries by burning fossil fuels.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  doonman
April 12, 2023 11:25 am

And is built from materials and components mined, smelted, processed, and assembled using fossil fuels at every step. Plus transport at every step also provided by fossil fuels.

Ditto the supposedly ‘zero emission’ electricity collectors.

It’s a tail chasing exercise.

Lee Riffee
April 11, 2023 9:18 pm

The government is making a huge assumption here….reminds me of that old saying “If you assume, you make an ass out of u and me”. And that’s exactly what’s going on here – making asses out of themselves, car makers and the dealers that sell the cars. They are doing this by assuming that a fair amount of people will buy these EVs. Most will not be able to afford them, whether or not they would choose to buy one if they had the money. Many others will pass due to lack of practicality and other personal reasons. Many older people won’t buy them for the same reason that a lot of elderly today don’t have computers or smart phones.

Imagine if the federal gov’t came up with a regulation forcing soda and non-alcoholic beverage makers to increase the amount of diet and calorie free drinks they make and sell (to combat obesity). So in ten years, say, 65% of all canned and bottled drinks would have to be diet. Well, if you’ve ever taken a stroll thru the soda isle at your local grocery store (or convivence store) you will notice that the non-diet calorie laden offerings totally dwarf the diet and calorie free drinks. So what will happen when the gov’t diktat comes to pass? Soon after, store shelves will be flush with diet drinks but consumers will quickly snap up what little stock of sugary drinks that are delivered to stores. It may end up being like toilet paper during Covid – stores limiting how many packs you can buy and people fighting over scarce supplies. One could imagine the day before the Super Bowl people camping out early in the morning in front of stores to be sure they get the kind and amount of non-diet soda they want for their game day party. And yes, people fighting over the last case of Classic Coke…..

And then on the manufacturing end, bottlers will end up massively curtailing their operations and laying off workers. All because they can only make limited amounts of products people want and they cut way back on making that which has far fewer buyers.

This is exactly what will happen with vehicles. Car makers will wither away to shadows of their former selves. They will make and sell (briskly) what few ICE vehicles they are allowed to sell yearly, and there will be huge cutbacks, closures and lay offs at their EV making facilities and any and all companies that supply components for those EVs.

Some of the soda lovers in my hypothetical scenario might invest in a Soda Stream, and others might switch to powdered drinks, while others may go back to brewing tea and dumping a ton of sugar in it (home-made sweet tea) and making sugar-laden lemonade.

Car buyers will either have to wait for what few desirable vehicles that are being produced each year or buy used. I would also suspect a restoration market will surge for older ICE vehicles.

Personally I just hope this madness gets stopped at the ballot box (overcoming sneaky, underhanded borderline election cheating and interference is of course a problem). But if it doesn’t, one thing to hope for is for every roadblock erected in history by tyrants and oppressive governments, there is always a way around them. Prohibition is an example – there was a company that sold what was basically powdered grape juice. All the buyer had to do was to follow some simple instructions (which were written telling the buyer NOT to do this) and they’d soon have wine.
People will find a way to get around this. They always have and they always will.

Reply to  Lee Riffee
April 12, 2023 12:16 am

When governments interfere in normal, reasonable life, black markets develop and criminals thrive. What’s more, ordinary folk start to break the law and view that as ok because the law has become authoritarian.

In the case of the UK and a petrol/diesel new vehicle ban in 2030 I suspect a new market may develop in grey imports of “second hand” vehicles with just a few miles on the clock.

There will be a rush on new petrol/diesel vehicle sales running up to the deadline, followed by near-collapse of new car sales and car dealerships and manufacturers begging for government support. T’aint going to be pretty, methinks.

Reply to  ThinkingScientist
April 12, 2023 1:37 am

That’s been tried before. It was called Prohibition.

Reply to  Lee Riffee
April 12, 2023 9:02 am

“People will find a way to get around this.”

At what cost?

John the Econ
April 11, 2023 9:27 pm

Awesome! Get the poor folks off the roads and there will be less traffic for me to endure. My insurance rates will likely go down too due to fewer accidents. Thanks, Progressive Democrats!

Reply to  John the Econ
April 12, 2023 12:20 pm

My insurance rates will likely go down too due to fewer accidents.

Reply to  KevinM
April 12, 2023 1:50 pm

it forgot about the “number of policies written” denominator

John the Econ
Reply to  KevinM
April 12, 2023 2:22 pm

Fewer people, especially the un-under-insured on the road.

April 11, 2023 9:32 pm


April 11, 2023 10:04 pm

Studies have already been published indicating that there will be insufficient supply of materials to build the massive number of EVs envisioned. Since new ICEVs will be a fixed percentage of EVs, there just won’t be that many vehicles built, and they will all be very expensive.

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Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
April 12, 2023 6:49 pm

These are lawyers, if they say it will happen, it will happen. No matter what material scientists and engineers have to say about the impossibility of the same.

Chris Hanley
April 11, 2023 10:23 pm

Unlike the innumerate zealots at the US EPA Mark Mills of the Manhattan Institute has done the numbers on emissions and mineral requirements for EVs in comparison with ICE vehicles showing beyond doubt how utterly futile this policy is, there are a number of his presentations on YouTube.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
April 12, 2023 6:51 pm

It isn’t about reality, it is about how you FEEL when you KNOW you are “Saving the Planet”. These kinds of policies rely on innumeracy and inability to reason.

April 12, 2023 12:06 am

Is this how all civilisations come to an end, imploding in under the weight of their own collective stupidity?

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Chris Nisbet
April 12, 2023 12:44 am

Isn’t it amazing how much governments will interfere with markets? And this is in the land of the free.

Philip CM
April 12, 2023 1:08 am

The people who have protested fossil fuel use, promoted the skewing of the free market to enforce the wholesale adoption of EV’s, the entire vaudevillian CAGW agenda of a doomed planet unless… will be the ones responsible for the post-petroleum environmental crisis. An environmental crises with a half-life exponentially greater than that of atmospheric CO2. Which is a vital, life oriented gas. The carbon footprint and environmental impact of EV’s from resource gathering to recharging, to battery and electronic reclamation/waste management will have a greater negative impact than what we have today, as poorly managed as that is.

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April 12, 2023 1:26 am

This whole zero carbon green dream would not have caught on without a massive amount of advertising.
How else do you get to ICE car users John and Joan Citizen?
Now, we await advertiser remorse. There must be many people in the advertising sector who will be wondering what they helped to unleash with their past enthusiasm.
Has anyone seen advertiser remorse so far? Examples?

Geoff S

Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
April 12, 2023 3:41 pm

Stevens County in WA. State is presently being bombarded with power company AVISTA’s plans for “Clean Energy”. If these power companies do not ‘wise up’, then we will all be paying multiples of our present electric bills (without recourse, as these are Monopolies).

Reply to  sturmudgeon
April 12, 2023 6:54 pm

With all the hydropower in Washington state, why would anything else be needed? (Unless the WA above is for Western Australia, in which case…never mind.)

Doug Huffman
April 12, 2023 3:20 am

The value, intrinsic and extrinsic, of my 6,000# DIESEL luxury BMW highway cruiser continues to appreciate! Road freight transportation will not be electrified.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Doug Huffman
April 12, 2023 11:33 am

Oh but they have legislated that it will. California has “required” 40% of tractor trailer rigs to be electric by some not-too-distant date, and other States that follow California’s Eco-Nazi rules will goose step along with them.

Picture the disruption to “supply chains” if THAT actually comes to pass!

Reply to  AGW is Not Science
April 12, 2023 6:57 pm

They already caused most of the past couple of years supply chain disruption in the US by their outlawing of older (I think pre-2008) rigs. If you eliminate 30% of the trucks from operating in your state, and you operate several of the largest ports in the country, you can really muck up the works by such a ban.

Joseph Zorzin
April 12, 2023 5:00 am

This craziness will result in revolutions if not stopped. It will get ugly.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 12, 2023 3:35 pm

You are, I think, assuming that the frogs will exit the water before it reaches the boiling point. Based upon what we have experienced in multiple ‘hot water’ scenarios to date, I must strongly disagree.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 12, 2023 4:35 pm

Democrat-run cities are rapidly imploding with anarchy and criminality. Result? Only those with few resources will remain in cities, and those people who remain won’t be able to afford cars. The “genteel” upper class will own the expensive EVs. Another program to regressively oppress the poor. Like some cities in the UK such as Oxford are planning, they can then enforce 15-minute cities zones, so that the citizens are essentially imprisoned within their own neighborhoods.

Such a lovely life the aristocracy has planned for us plebes. For a good picture of what that might look like, see Back to the Future II, except that movie is tame by comparison to what is already happening in Portland and Seattle.

April 12, 2023 5:31 am

These EPA rules seem tailored to people living blue areas. Do they realize not everyone uses their A/C units 8 months per year when they go after incandescents and gas stoves? Do they realize not everyone lives with 10 miles of a grocery store, hardware store, or hospital?

Ed Zuiderwijk
April 12, 2023 5:50 am

EVs are the second car for use in the city. Outlawing ICE cars and planes means Joe Bloggs can not anymore go a long journey. That privilege will be for the anointed only.

But there is an eco solution: the stagecoach. I see an enormous demand for horses coming up and will invest my pension in stud farms. Alternatively I could spend some of my money and exercise my 2nd amendment rights.

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Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
April 12, 2023 7:01 pm

Are you sure that all your weapons weren’t lost in a boating accident like mine were? I hear there is quite the epidemic of that of late. (the above is a common joke on the 2nd amendment boards)

April 12, 2023 6:05 am

If this EPA EV new standard goes into effect then brown-outs and rolling black-outs will become the norm as energy rationing becomes mandatory across the nation. The existing electrical grid can’t handle such a dramatic increase of demand. Building new power plants is a multi-decade process with the current environmental regulations.

This will have no effect on making the country “carbon neutral” as gasoline is still going to be produced in the same amount as part of the crude oil cracking process. Except now instead of burning gasoline in automobiles it will be burned off at the oil refineries, just like it was done in the 1800s.

Reply to  ScienceABC123
April 12, 2023 7:03 pm

That is only if China manages to enslave enough African children to mine all the raw materials to make the batteries. I doubt there are enough children in Africa to produce enough processable ores to make enough batteries to get us any where near the rolling brown-out stage.

April 12, 2023 6:43 am

The watermelons have worked out the recalcitrant deplorables won’t vote for direct plant food taxes so it’s best to keep scaring them with deadly emissions tales (the latest is gas stoves) and upping the Regulations putting the squeeze on like so-
Toyota’s New Engine Technical review Part 1 : Cooling,Lubrication,Direct Injection and EGR – YouTube

That is brilliant engineering in conjunction with Toyota’s world’s best Hybrid Synergy Drive but you can see the complexity and expense it forces on carmakers and that will be a 10 year throwaway. Less if you don’t appreciate the specific maintenance regime required and live in the past. So just lower the emissions bar further and not even Toyota will be able to limbo under it as they’re on the limits of ICE engineering now.

Reply to  observa
April 12, 2023 12:37 pm

Who are “watermelons“? I’ve never hear the term.

they’re on the limits of ICE engineering now
Hopefully [someone] is always on the limits of [whatever] engineering. Otherwise the limits would not move.

Reply to  KevinM
April 12, 2023 1:21 pm

The watermelons are “green” on the outside, and “red” (Communist/Socialist) on the inside 🙂

John Oliver
April 12, 2023 6:51 am

The biggest problem from here on out is going to be “ how do we survive this” this is a recipe for economic collapse of the western world . So how do we hedge, protect our life savings, etc

Mr Ed
Reply to  John Oliver
April 12, 2023 8:38 am

I had a conversation with a high level energy executive late last year
His take on this is that there are very radical ideologues running the west
and that until they fail nothing is going to change. I wish I had an answer to
your question but I don’t. He was quite concerned about WW3 starting.
I’ve been somewhat self sufficient as a farmer rancher and will keep moving
in that direction.

April 12, 2023 6:54 am

I really wonder where all of the politicians are on all of this. The Democrats all vote one way. That about the Republicans – I don’t hear a peep out of them. Where does Mitch McConnel stand on all of this? He has always been part of the uniparty and he and his wife have made a fortune from China.

Are the Republicans our friends?

John Oliver
Reply to  Retiredinky
April 12, 2023 6:59 am

any politician that even remotely resembles a RINO needs to be gone!

Reply to  Retiredinky
April 12, 2023 9:10 am

The elite have owned both horses in a two horse race for a very long time. Politicians know who butters their bread. It isn’t citizens.

John Oliver
April 12, 2023 7:12 am

I know it’s frustrating , like talking to a box of rocks, but you have to “ campaign “ you have confront and at least try to inform all the useful idiot dem voters about what is happening. They literally don’t know what they do.

April 12, 2023 7:28 am

To translate Bidenese, “for every EV sold we will let you buy one new gas-powered car.”
The latest EIA annual energy outlook predicted about 2M EV sales in 2030. So, you commoners will be allowed to by 2M gassers for a total of 4M autos vs the normal sales of over 15M cars of all kinds.
Just think of all the “added jobs created”, signed Brandon.

April 12, 2023 8:45 am

All part of the plan. We/world are marching to the Agenda 21 Globalist, One Government manifesto and not even realizing we’re being played. Democracy better wake up.

April 12, 2023 8:46 am

The endangerment finding needs to challenged and reversed. All this nonsense goes away when the fraud is exposed.

Gunga Din
April 12, 2023 8:58 am

Looks like the resale of a used ICE vehicle just went up.
(What’s the resale value of a used EV?)

Reply to  Gunga Din
April 12, 2023 9:57 am

Depends on the age of the battery and the number of recharges. Can you get that information? it has nothing to do with the odometer.

April 12, 2023 10:09 am

forced upon YOU without a vote!
I think there were elections. The current representatives won. Incumbents win often, but not always.

April 12, 2023 10:21 am

As usual all the target and due-by dates are in someone else’s leadership.

Rud Istvan
April 12, 2023 11:56 am

If it cannot happen, it won’t happen. No matter what the EPA mandates. But they will make a lot of people very unhappy along the way.

Biden and his team definitely gunning for worst administration ever:

  1. Afgahn withdrawal.
  2. Inflation
  3. Energy
  4. Bank collapses
  5. Recession
  6. Deficits
  7. Trans ruining women’s sports so protect them codify under Title 9, which says no sex (xx, xy) discrimination, NOT gender identity.
  8. Woke military missing recruiting targets.
  9. Southern border invasion
Reply to  Rud Istvan
April 12, 2023 12:43 pm

JB is 80 years old

April 12, 2023 12:37 pm

The proposed emission standards are absurd. This is all becoming ridiculous. If issued the standards (like net zero) will never be met because they can’t be met. The entire Great Reset crowd and their Climate Change acolytes brings to mind Ozymandias. That’s where they are headed – to a barren desert, buried in sand and forgotten.

April 12, 2023 4:11 pm

I don’t recall seeing this mentioned before, but what about all those motor homes and 5th-wheelers, and campers etc., and the industries that support them, including all of those sales people?

The Real Engineer
April 13, 2023 2:43 am

The EPA has lost its marbles. People drive long distances in the USA. There is no power distribution for long distances along roads. There are enough petrol (gas) stations to cope with the few hundred miles that fossil fueled vehicles can manage. These electric cars are going to need very large and heavy batteries. Trucks are impossible (which I think Tesla have discovered with their truck project).

Coach Springer
April 13, 2023 5:50 am

EVs to be forced upon YOU without a vote!” There is no product or action that should be compulsory by vote. Having once voted, it is still not OK to compel me to buy government approved toothpaste or anything else.

If we have accepted that voting makes everything OK, we’ve already been manipulated into giving up all self-determination and freedom.

April 13, 2023 2:30 pm

Gosh, where does electricity come from again? And no mention of the exploding lithium batteries problem?

April 13, 2023 6:03 pm

Yawn. Been there, done that in California.

During the 1990s “Zero Emission” vehicles was the rallying cry and the California Legislature with the input of CARB voted. Their edict: by the year 2000, at least 10% of all vehicles sold in California SHALL BE ZERO EMISSION…” It didn’t happen then. Now, will lots of taxpayer $$ and many virtue signaling, EV sales seem to be in the teens. However, how we will charge them is a crapshoot. Big Green is back and they want to shut down Diablo Canyon once again which is nearly 10% of California’s energy needs.

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