The case for EVs has failed, says Professor Gautam Kalghatgi. With lifetime emissions scarcely better and net health impacts three-fold worse than combustion vehicles, destroying our car industry cannot be worth it.

This is the 12th in a series of 13 articles challenging climate change orthodoxy commissioned by Professor Gwythian Prins. We will be publishing the articles at a rate of one a week (read the first article here, the second here, the third here, the fourth here, the fifth here, the sixth here, the seventh here, the eighth here, the ninth here, the 10th here and the 11th here). The hope is that they can be collected into a book for Sixth Formers and university students.
UK Net Zero policy aims at balancing the production and removal of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide (CO2), methane and nitrous oxide by 2050. The primary greenhouse gas from transport is CO2 produced by burning fuels containing carbon such as petrol and diesel in conventional internal combustion vehicles. The entire Vehicle Excise Duty regime pivots on this single metric. Current Government transport policy is aimed at reducing CO2 emissions to help meet Net Zero targets. In addition, Government documents also mention as objectives reducing local pollution from transport, improving connectivity across Britain, growing the economy by enhancing the transport network and increasing the global impact of the UK to boost influence and maximise trade. However, these other objectives are not clearly prioritised, the costs and challenges of implementation are not specified and flagrant contradictions between these different aims are simply ignored.
The scale of the challenge of ‘decarbonising’ transport is very large. Transport accounts for 26% of total UK emissions, which is 0.27% of total global emissions. As a rough guide from Government statistics, the major contributing sectors to transport emissions are road transport (70%), aviation (20%) and marine (8%). In Great Britain, there are around 42 million registered road vehicles – 34 million cars, five million vans and 0.8 million heavy goods vehicles and buses. Of these vehicles, as of March 2025 only 1.5 million were pure battery electric vehicles. Cars and vans account for about half while heavy goods vehicles and buses account for 15% of total transport CO2.
In 2024, 28 billion litres of diesel and 18 billion litres of petrol were used on British roads. Alternative fuels like biofuels cannot fully replace such large volumes and have significant performance and environmental downsides. Being forced by regulations to ‘cut’ pure fuel with bio-ethanol adversely affects fuel power density and also allows algal growth in storage tanks. It perishes seals and can block pipes and filters unless powerful biocides are routinely added to stored fuel, as farmers are now obliged to do to protect their tractors. Growing crops for fuel is also an opportunity-cost against growing food. In short, imposing ‘bio-fuels’ is a functionally pointless and potentially dangerous vicious circle. If air pollution is actually the concern, running ICE (Internal Combustion Engines) on LPG is a much superior solution: super-clean with zero tail-pipe particulate. But empirically there seems to be a sly conspiracy by the regulatory bureaucrats to kill the LPG fuelling network because it competes with EVs – though these are inferior in efficiency and create more environmental harms.
The most common alternative technology for transport is electrification using batteries. Fuel cell vehicles running on hydrogen are very far away from practical implementation at scale. There are different degrees of electrification. Only pure battery electric vehicles do not have a petrol or diesel (internal combustion) engine, and all the motive energy comes from the electricity grid and is stored in the battery. A plug-in hybrid electric vehicle has a small battery which allows a limited range on stored electricity in the battery but also an internal combustion engine which will power the vehicle if the battery charge runs out. ‘Self-charging’ hybrid electric vehicles like the Toyota Prius get all their energy from their petrol engine, while partial electrification with a small battery enables the fuel energy to be used more efficiently. They also recover energy regeneratively that is normally lost on braking. This technology can reduce fuel consumption and hence CO2 emissions by up to 25%, particularly in stop-start city driving.
Realistically only cars and vans can be run fully on batteries. It is not practical to have battery powered long-range heavy goods vehicles or buses because of the large battery size needed. Aviation and shipping also cannot be run only on batteries. For instance, for a mid-range jet like the Airbus A320, a lithium-ion battery with the same energy content as the fuel it carries would weigh 19 times the maximum take-off weight of the plane. So, most of transport will still be powered by internal combustion engines running on petroleum-based liquid fuels for decades to come. If in the future all cars and vans are forced to run on batteries, the battery capacity needed will have to increase by around 30 times compared to now. However, this would account for only about half of the U.K. emissions from transport or 0.14% of total global emissions. Massive disruption for risible gain.
The most visible central Government policy is the intention to ban the sale of new internal combustion engines from 2035. In addition, there are many anti-car local policies such as low emissions zones and low traffic neighbourhoods.
However, battery electric vehicles do not offer any significant benefit in terms of CO2 unless their use and manufacture are with energy that is CO2-free. If natural gas or coal is used to produce electricity, CO2 emissions from electricity production will be high. Even if wind, solar and nuclear provide a large share of the electricity, the extra electricity demand from electric vehicles has to be met with marginal (backup) electricity generation which is always available and can quickly respond to changing demand. In the UK it will be from natural gas and produce more CO2 emissions than the average for the renewable electricity grid.
Battery manufacture needs much more process energy and produces more emissions compared to the manufacture of internal combustion engines. A recent estimate for battery manufacture from China, where over 70% of the batteries are made, is an additional 125 kg CO2 per kWh of battery capacity. So, a Nissan Leaf, with a 40 kWh battery will start with a deficit of five tonnes of CO2 and would need to drive many thousands of miles on CO2-free electricity before it can have any benefit over an equivalent conventional vehicle in terms of CO2. In the UK, a small pure electric vehicle might be better than an equivalent conventional car for CO2 by about 30% over its lifetime but its emissions will not be zero. Bigger vehicles with bigger batteries will show much less lifetime benefit, if any. Furthermore, given that battery EV service life is much shorter than that of a well-made ICE vehicle (eight years as against 20 or more) the life-time EROEI (Energy Return on Energy Invested) favours the well-maintained long-lived ICE vehicle, especially running on LPG.
On top of this, the impacts on human health, on water and high eco-toxicity associated with mining of metals needed for batteries are very significant. The net health impacts for EVs are estimated to be three to five times worse than for conventional ICE vehicles. These health and environmental impacts of battery electric vehicles are currently exported to where the mining takes place and materials are processed (e.g. the Democratic Republic of Congo, Chile, China) where environmental controls are lax and child and slave labour are also of concern. The bigger the battery, the worse the impact. Mining also requires moving large quantities of earth and rock – on average 500 times the weight of the battery. Thus a 40 kWh battery, which weighs around 300 kg could require roughly 150 tons of rock and earth moved. The footprint of oil production to power ICE vehicles is very much lower.
Local air quality is impacted by emissions of particulates, nitrogen oxides, unburned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide from petrol and diesel exhausts. These emission levels are zero for pure battery EV and near zero and for the most modern conventional vehicles with particulate filters, especially running on LPG, the most eco-friendly fuel which the eco-lobby seems to seek to drive out of the market. Other sources such as tyre-wear then become much more important for particulate levels; and these will be greater for pure battery electric vehicles because they weigh 25-30% more than comparable conventional vehicles because of the weight of the battery.
These environmental issues, which are currently ignored, will inevitably come to the fore as the number of battery electric cars increases. The true impact of competing technologies should be assessed on a life-cycle basis, honestly accounting for manufacturing, in-use and end of life emissions. The environmental benefits of battery electric vehicles will depend on the battery size, on how it is made and how the electricity to fill it is generated and will not be zero.
The infrastructure and material requirements for battery EVs are very large. Convenient public charging points need to be built for around 10 million cars which must park on the street. Suppose, by 2030, of all the electric vehicles, there will be a million cars which want to charge at the time of peak electricity demand – in the evening after people return from work. If allowed at the 7kW Level 1 charging rate, this will require an additional seven gigawatts (GW) of electric power which needs to be CO2-free. This is equivalent to over two new nuclear power plants of 3 GW – impossible to build over such a short period. Battery charging is inconvenient – it can take many hours depending on the rate of charging, compared to a few minutes required to fuel a conventional car.
It will become steadily more difficult to source critical materials like lithium salts, copper and cobalt needed for battery manufacture if the demand is going to increase to the level required to run all cars and vans only on batteries. China has set out to corner many of these markets. This materials crunch will be worse if there is also increasing demand for grid-scale storage batteries to cover the intermittency of wind and solar. The scope for recycling old batteries to recover critical materials is very limited given the resins, complexity and weight of the batteries.
Then there is increasing evidence of spontaneous anaerobic fires in batteries which are extremely difficult to extinguish. As the number of electric vehicles grows and charging rates increase, this problem will also become more prominent. All the issues discussed above will be more difficult to ignore as the demand for batteries increases.
The current cost of an electric vehicle is significantly higher and there is increasing evidence that the depreciation rate is also higher compared to an equivalent conventional car. As battery materials increase in price in response to increasing demand, battery prices are unlikely to come down as fast as they have done in the past. As the number of electric vehicles increases, government subsidies and tax and other benefits to promote them will become unaffordable. Fuel taxes contribute around £40 billion to the exchequer. At least a part of this will have to be recovered by taxing electric cars. Some calculations show that the total cost of ownership is lower for electric cars. Such calculations assume that the cost of electricity, in relation to fuel costs for conventional vehicles remains low. In any case, individual buyers are likely to base their buying decision on up-front costs and the utility and convenience such as the availability of charging infrastructure and time needed to charge. All evidence is that in an open market battery EVs are turkeys – so fanatics like Ed Miliband respond by rigging the markets, as I have explained.
Western, particularly European strengths are in advanced high-tech ICE cars. Great Britain has a strong research and development reputation in the automotive sector. China recognised this and focused on ‘new energy vehicles’ and has now mostly cornered the supply chain needed for electric vehicles and builds them on a coal-fired grid. Western auto manufacturers will also not be able to compete with China on costs of electric vehicles. If transport in Britain were to focus only on battery EVs as current policies seek to coerce, the automotive industry will be killed under any kind of free trade. Furthermore, if consumers do not buy new electric cars because of up-front cost, faster depreciation, charging anxiety and inconvenience but still the sale of new internal combustion engines is banned, the British auto industry will be destroyed even without Chinese intervention. As professor Kelly also asks, on what planet does that make sense?
‘Green’ policies require enormous investments in infrastructure and even if all British cars and vans are replaced by pure battery EV – a 30-fold increase compared to now – and ignoring lifetime emissions, this would reduce global emissions by less than 0.14%. There are various points of conflict with other Government objectives. Private transport will become unaffordable except for the rich – and for the nomenklatura. Other anti-car policies will reduce connectivity and impact economic growth. Leadership in the automotive sector will be ceded to China. British trade and influence will wane.
All technologies relevant to transport including manufacture and different fuels need to be honestly assessed over their full life EROEI (energy returned on energy invested) cycle, sensibly deployed and continuously improved. However, in a rigged market, research and development into further improving internal combustion engines will stop even though most transport will still be relying on that technology for decades to come. The British auto industry will be sacrificed on the altar of the green cult but will yield negligible reduction in global emissions; and in conflict with our authoritarian enemies, in the land of Net Zero, the man in the diesel tank is king. No wonder Mercedes and VW are defying the EV target mandate and Land Rover is following suit. Don’t Ministers know that setting production targets in the former USSR didn’t end well? Maybe they don’t. Worse. Maybe they do.
Professor Gautam Kalghatgi is a fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering, the Institute of Mechanical Engineers and the Society of Automotive Engineers. He has been a visiting professor at Oxford University and Imperial College London and is Chairman of the Academic Advisory Board of the Global Warming Policy Foundation.
I did not see discussion of end of life disposal of batteries, I believe that is a difficult and costly problem. Does anyone have comments about this issue?
I think people got the wrong idea about battery recycling because of the example of lead-acid batteries. That case is exceptional though, because of the hazard of careless disposal of lead-acid presents a genuine danger. Lithium batteryies present a fire hazard perhaps, and are definately HAZMAT, but unless we are willing to force huge deposits similar to PbA core fees, there will never be a mature recycling program.
So what do the greenies say? Shall we make the batteries even more expensive so we can recycle them?
Toxic mining, leaks and spills must be accepted to protect the environment. It’s just a shame they won’t kill more people.
A so-called “battery recycler” in Perth, Western Australia, accumulated and stored around 80 tonnes of lithium batteries, claiming for recycling. The facility caught fire, emitting clouds of toxic smoke across neighbouring residences. They were still trying to completely extinguish the fire a week later. The “recycler” has gone broke, leaving the local council with the task of cleaning up the mess.
Just a single statement.
“The scope for recycling old batteries to recover critical materials is very limited given the resins, complexity and weight of the batteries.”
My addition to that is that there really is no robust recycling industry for large batteries. One has to look around to find places that accept PC batteries and AAs and it is not curbside pickup.
A battery recycler has said that it’s not a commercial proposition to recycle lithium batteries, as the process to extract ALL materials, including lithium, would cost around five times more than mining and processing new lithium.
Superb!
Thanks to Professor Kalghatgi for this seminal article and to WUWT for publishing it. If only it were read and understood by all politicians and journalists!
Hard talking about failed when they are 25% of new cars sold and western governments have to forcefully keep them out of their market to protect their car industry that failed to innovate.
Life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions from passenger cars in the European Union
(Warning: Direct link to .pdf file)
https://www.theicct.org.cn/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/ID-392-%E2%80%93-Life-cycle-GHG_report_final.pdf
Page 4 has an overview graph I won’t upload because it seems storage here is constraint?
Transport and environment statistics: 2024
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/transport-and-environment-statistics-2024
In 2024, domestic transport accounted for:
I think more tire pollution in exchange is acceptable
And this all-or-nothing mindset isn’t helping. We won’t have long range battery planes but a huge part of oil consumption is road traffic and around 40% of global shipping is just moving fossil fuels around.
https://www.shippingandoceans.com/post/existing-ships-and-those-on-order-would-produce-twice-the-emissions
Now put them on an equal taxation basis with ICE and see what happens.
Motorized individual traffic is massivly cross-substidized by society anyways. We would be far better of trying to go back to human scale urban planing.
New study reveals the social benefits off cycling and walking in the EU
https://urban-mobility-observatory.transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/new-study-reveals-social-benefits-cycling-and-walking-eu-2019-04-08_en
Except public transportation and bicycles are time inefficient, which is way more important to people than a few cents saved. Plus, have you seen the people using public transport? No thanks. Bring back mob violence for anti-social behavior first, then talk to us about forcing public transport on everyone.
The only reason why public transportation seems to be cheap, is because 90+% of the costs are covered by the government.
The costs are incurred by the tax payer. The government is just the intermediary who takes money through coercion and threats of violence, only to dole it out to their favored recipients as though they are giving of themselves.
The government has no money other than what it can wring out of the tax payer.
15 minute cities…. and pushbikes….no cars…. how sad an existence. !!
“…human scale urban planning.” translates to forcing people to accept limitations. Everything LoserUser promotes depends on forcing people at the point of a gun to submit. Without that force and the coercion of distorted economics, EVs are playthings for the wealthy, because even the EV virtue signalers would be few in number if left on a level playing field.
As for the cycling and walking vs. motorized travel, seldom has a more vapid and substance-free argument been presented.
EVs do make excellent golf carts. 🙂
Nice. Sophistry.
Diverting the topic rather than answering the question.
What is your plan for the elderly that can’t cycle and have trouble walking? Are you sure that will never be you or your parents?
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2022/05/30/car-friendly-cities-are-not-age-friendly-cities
If they are in such a bad shape in your world they should 100% car dependend without alternatives and endanger themselves and others?
What about low-income people? There are more then enough studies that show car dependend societies make it far harder for them to survive.
Define “depended.”
You swing and miss. idbodbi did not claim the elderly and infirm would be driving.
You did not answer the question.
You diverted again.
Your response is sophistry.
And now a new deflection into lo low income people.
Sophistry.
Nice that ypu learned a new word that you use now every so often. I gave you a full article why a car centric society is a net negative for old people and I’m free to bring up additional arguments.
Translation: I can’t answer the first question, nor do I have a reply to this secondary point. But I can’t say nothing, so I’ll pretend to be so superior to the rest of you that I don’t need to respond.
“Off cycling”
So driving a car.
At last you’ve seen the light /sarc
Walking and cycling are great in daytime and good weather. Now try it at night and pouring rain or in snow. Did I mention hills?
Presumably Mylosernamereloaded never needs to carry groceries back to his abode. See if you can carry a week’s shopping for a family on foot or on a bike.
There are no subsidies for ICE vehicles. No matter how many times that lie is repeated.
You mean by dropping the tariffs that are effectively keeping the Chinese ones out of the US?
We get it, you are from China.
“When President Trump left office in Term-1 (Jan ’21), Europe was exporting around 400,000 cars to China, and China was exporting around 175,000 cars to Europe. Just five years later, Europe is exporting 200,000 cars to China, and China is exporting 1.2 million cars to Europe.”
That is what China does 🙁
Clearly you missed my previous reply. I’m from Australia.
People here dont get to cry tax incentives when they want to make a point and ignore the tax incentives when it goes against their beliefs. Not without being called out on it, anyway.
That cuts both ways though. China subsidizes the manufacture of their cars to an extreme degree, meaning the sale price does not reflect the actual cost to BYD and othe Chinese manufactures. The tariffs simply restore a semblence of market forces to a deliberate attemp to flood the market and push domestic manufacturers out of business.
Do you want to put a number behind that? I’m always amazed at the prices of goods coming from China. They always seem cheaper than anything locally made and I doubt China subsidises absolutely everything. But I’m willing to believe their costs are significantly lower and that they’re vertically integrated.
So the difference is that the Chinese may be incentivising growth in the EV industry for the world but the US are stifling competition.
At the end of the day, the question was whether EVs can compete and in the US they cant and its because of the US tariff policy which is independent of what the Chinese are doing.
No, it is because people prefer reliable ICE automobiles. When subsidies and tax breaks disappear so do much of the EV sales. Understand what is happening in Europe. European manufacturers cannot meet the carbon regulation targets. In order to comply with the net zero requirements they have to buy carbon credits from the Chinese. China uses the money from those credits to subsidize their BEVs which undercuts the EU manufacturers. VW is closing plants. EU manufacturers will disappear if this continues.
One other technique – China has historically and continually devalued their currency. It is one of the ways they offset the tariffs. Which ultimately reduces the tariffs impact on retail prices.
Or…as people come to realise how fragile the oil supply is, and how volatile the prices have become, they’re increasingly choosing EVs. That would be the case in Australia where there are essentially no tax incentives any more.
That and the fact EVs are just better and the charging networks are now good enough and getting better.
And prices of EVs are dropping and their ranges continue to increase.
Yes, if you have a use case for ICE then of course you’ll stick with ICE. But most people dont and they’re quickly learning just how good modern EVs actually are.
I missed the part where my user name was changed to Google.com, but let me help you since you seem to need it. Hey Gemini:
Help me quantify Chinese subsidies to their automotive industry.
I will search for credible reports and data on Chinese government subsidies provided to their automotive industry.
https://gstatic.com/vertexaisearch/icons/svg/googleg_standard_clr_24px.svg
Gemini replied
The scope of China’s state support for its automotive sector—particularly Electric Vehicles (EVs) and New Energy Vehicles (NEVs)—is highly structured, massive, and has evolved from upfront consumer handouts to complex, indirect tax and supply chain benefits.
Research by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) serves as the primary benchmark for quantifying these subsidies
.https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/svg/1f4ca.svg The Bottom Line: Total State Support (2009–2023)Between 2009 and 2023, the Chinese government channeled a conservative estimate of $230.9 billion in cumulative subsidies and policy support directly into its domestic EV sector
.As the market matured, the annual rate of state funding accelerated rapidly:
TimeframeEstimated Total SupportAnnual Average RateKey Characteristics2009 – 2017$60.7 billion
~$6.74 billion
Sector infancy; heavy reliance on national buyer rebates
.2018 – 2020$49.0 billion
~$16.3 billionProgram transition and dual-credit system preparation
.2021 – 2023$120.9 billion$40.3 billion
Massive scaling. Peaked at $45.8B in 2022 and $45.3B in 2023
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https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/svg/2699.svg Breakdown: Five Main Pillars of Chinese State SupportThe CSIS methodology tracks five distinct categories of government intervention designed to systematically support domestic manufacturers
:1. Sales Tax Exemptions2. Buyer Rebates3. Infrastructure Funding4. R&D Support5. Government Procurement$39.6 billion (in 2023)
Phased Out (Dec 2022)
State-Directed$25.0 billion (2009–2023)Fleet MandatesConsumers are exempt from the standard 10% vehicle sales tax. This is now the largest mechanism of support (accounting for 87.4% of the 2023 total)
.Direct, upfront cash payouts to consumers purchasing NEVs
. This comprised 62% of all support from 2009–2017 but was fully retired in 2023.Massive government funding for the rapid rollout of public charging grids and electrical infrastructure.Direct state-backed research grants and tax credits for battery and electric propulsion technologies.Mandating state agencies, municipalities, and public transit systems to exclusively buy domestic EVs
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https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/svg/26a0.svg Proactive Risks & Watch-Outs: The Hidden Supply Chain SubsidiesWhile $230.9 billion is a staggering figure, analysts flag that this is a highly conservative estimate because it excludes several layers of state intervention
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/svg/1f4a1.svg Key TakeawayChinese industrial policy succeeded by subsidizing both supply and demand simultaneously
. Though upfront cash buyer rebates have ended, the 10% sales tax exemption coupled with massive infrastructure spending and battery-level subsidies ensure that Chinese EV manufacturers can continue to absorb losses, scale rapidly, and release models 30% faster than their global competitors
.Would you like to dive deeper into how these subsidies compare to Western programs like the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), or look at how specific companies like BYD utilize these funds?
You missed the part where you made the claim in the first place.
And then you missed the part where answering with AI slop helps nobody.
I am still not you personal teacher, and I will not do your Google seaches for you. Perhaps you missed the sources Google cited? Good place to start and educate yourself.
Then don’t make claims you can’t back up and I won’t dig through copy past AI slop.
I don’t see the problem with my first pass at your answer. Perhaps you could critique it rather than “iT’s Ai, sO I dOn’T NeeD to PaY atTEntIon.” I’m just gonna give you the same effort you give.
Funny how socialists always demand things of others that they are incapable of performing on their own.
I asked ChatGPT the same question for comparison
and it confirmed the $231B
But it also came up with the following
How does this compare internationally?
Many countries subsidize EV production and purchases.
Approximate government commitments include:
Region Approximate scale
China (2009–2023) US$231B+
United States (IRA and related programs) US$200–400B over roughly a decade (depending on uptake)
European Union Tens of billions through national subsidy programs
The difference is not simply the amount spent but the breadth of China’s industrial strategy. China combined financial support with:
Many analysts argue that this coordinated approach, rather than subsidies alone, has been a major factor in China’s competitiveness.
I would call it anti-competitiveness, since official policy is to negate competitiveness. But I’m glad you are on the same page as me that the US is right to shun the Chinese vehicles, and we don’t need to pretend they have some car manufacturing magic we should hold in high regard.
Also, the $231 billion is the direct subsidies, while the camparison is direct and indirect. It’s just not apples to apples.
You are mistaken. I believe in a more open market. Subsidies are valid for things like infrastructure roll-out and the charging network would be an example of that just like its government’s roll to maintain roads.
I believe in subsidies that are tax incentives over handouts. Choosing not to take tax money to help a business is way, way better than giving a business tax payer’s money.
What the US is doing is protecting their automotive industries and that means Americans will pay more for their cars and they’ll have fewer choices.
China has been given the roll of global manufacturer by the rest of the world when all the big companies offshored their manufacturing and that brought the Chinese out of poverty. That was a good thing.
Okay. I think open markets are generally a good thing but I also think there should be some limits to being completely open, especially when dealing with hostile powers.
Speaking of which, China has never been particularly “open” in any meaningful sense. Trading with them has always been a one way street, and people are sick of their BS. They “protected” their automobile industries and now we protect ours.
And don’t forget, we gave them that role as global manufacturers, and it took 30 years for them to get the monopoly they are today. I bet we could reverse it in less than half that time.
Also, not to nitpick, but totally nitpicking here, China is still poor. Big GDP does not equal high standards of living, especially when that GDP growth is based on massive debt spending on tofu dregs projects.
I wouldn’t call incentivising an industry, “protecting” it. Apparently many Chinese start up car companies fail. Bailing out a car company is much closer to protecting it. And adding tariffs to keep out competition is the very definition of protecting.
The US has plenty of examples of steamrolling over small business to acquire monopoly. For example Microsoft or Amazon. You don’t see that as “hostile” but check your perspective.
Whether the US can regain its manufacturing or not is yet to be seen. Most of the examples of the US regaining ground are the tech industries, not grass roots manufacturing.
It’s not like the western car industry has been bailed out by their governments a billion times.
No industry should ever be bailed out at taxpayer expense. The fact that is has happened is zero argument in favor of doing it again.
Partly due to the EV requirements placed on them by government.
There were no EV requirements in 2009 when GM cost tax payers $11B in their bailout.
But there was an official US policy of bailing out unions by propping up the companies the unions had gutted.
It makes no difference. If a company like GM cant manage its finances because of excessive wage growth compared to profitability, then it deserves to fail and not be propped up at taxpayer expense.
If GM fails, then so do the associated unions and that’s a powerful incentive to the unions to do the right thing even if it takes a failure or two to learn that lesson.
I’m pretty sure the auto bailout is a singular incident in US history, and it was as much a union bribe as a bailout of the auto manufacturers themselves.
😉
No by taxing them to contribute to “funding” of road maintenance, which ICE vehicles get taxed for on every gallon of fuel. In particular since EVs are far heavier and therefore do far more damage to said roads, bridges, etc.
Are you willing to pay a weight tax on vehicles? How many people drive huge diesel trucks that aren’t needed?
So we’re only talking about “needs” now? No one “needs” a car, or a phone, or…
People should have choice and they do. Many people choose to drive cars that are much bigger and heavier than they “need” so arguments of “EVs are heavier and damage roads” become irrelevent.
Americans hate socialised healthcare, but socialising the cost of oversized cars for the better offs is absolutly fine.
Privatize the roads.
Privatisation of the roads is a disincentive to using them. Incentivising “staying at home” would be a bad strategy for innovation and growth let alone personal freedom and wellbeing.
Really? Where do I get my check?
Who the **** do you think you are to say what size car people should drive. !!!
Your desire to have everything controlled for everyone to your very low standards, is, quite frankly.. disgusting. !
Can you demonstrate even a tiny bit of support for your belief that the cost of big cars has been socialized?
There is a very good reason to oppose socialized medicine.
It doesn’t work.
In lieu of a tax on gasoline/diesel? ICE vehicles would pay the same amount as EVs pound for pound. Seems quite egalitarian. Those “huge diesel trucks” wouldn’t pay any more, unless super greedy pols decide to double tax (fuel + wt), which wouldn’t be unheard of. Pols may not be very intelligent, but they’re very good at getting their hand in your pocket.
I agree. I dont think there should be usage tax on vehicles at all. Usage taxes penalise people who need to travel to do their work and that doesn’t seem very fair to me.
Roads are a common good that everyone should be financially responsible for.
Translation: I want other people to pay for the stuff I need.
And yet I’d said
They all need it. That’s what common infrastructure is.
How do you know they are not needed ? !!
Those big vehicles also pay more in gas taxes.
If the weight tax is in addition to gas taxes, then no to your increased taxes on other people.
Where exactly am I advocating for “taxes on other people” ?
“Are you willing to pay a weight tax on vehicles”
In Australia, the components of vehicle registration include:
Registration Fee: A static fee covering administrative costs for registering your vehicle.
Vehicle Tax: Based on the vehicle’s tare weight, with heavier vehicles generally incurring higher taxes.
Compulsory Third Party Insurance (CTP): A legal requirement that covers compensation for injuries or deaths in a road accident involving your vehicle.
People still buy large 4x4s, big diesel SUVs and heavy cars and work vehicles, because that is what the want or need.
So yes, people are willing to pay a weight tax on vehicles.
Whilst that might be strictly true, the yearly component of vehicle tax is $164 for my fairly average Subaru. The total tax for the year was $611
If it was an EV with all other things equal it might weigh about 25% more, meaning the yearly tax would increase by about $40 for the year. That’s not really an incentive to have weight as a factor in car choice or weight impact, is it.
I mean, if we are going to be fair about it, a weight tax is the way it should be done.
If you want to go down that path, it’d have to be weight x miles. But I’d be strongly opposed to having to report miles. It’s a bad strategy and would be wrought with fraud and cost lots to implement and administer.
Sadly, I have long since given up the idea I can have meaningful privacy when away from my home in a rural state. And even then, even if I wish to make meaningful advances in my online privacy, my family had made it quite clear they do not wish to do the necessary changes to how they conduct themselves on the internet. So I just accept I am essentially one day going to be a public figure, no matter how humbly I live my life. So I just try to be a clear as possible what I truly believe.
To be more accurate, weight per axle.
Good point.
Might have been better receive had you not posed your conclusion as a question.
Well maybe. There are pros and cons with EVs and the article never mentioned a single positive. The whole OP was entirely inflammatory, as was the “cant compete without tax incentives” statement.
Seeing that CO2 is a much needed plant food, that has zero other effect.
… seems that EV’s are not doing their share of providing food for the world’s population.
As for CO2 emission reductions.. no-one with a thinking mind cares…….. just DON’T DO IT.
There was a test done in the UK.. and roads accounted for very little PM2.5 and PM10.. very high levels were found at railways stations.
If you want to breathe tire pollution particulates, be my guest.
I see that you are still pushing the notion that government mandates means market success.
According to the International Energy Agency (IEA):
Nice source you got there, would be a shame if someone extended on it 😉
IEA: Trends in other EV modes
https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/trends-in-other-ev-modes
“In 2025 and early 2026 major car manufacturers ( Ford, General Motors, Stellantis and Honda) announced EV write downs and charges totalling at least USD 65bn reflecting weaker than expected demand in some markets, policy changes and reassessment of earlier plans. Some automakers are reallocating toward hybrids and ICE”
IEA ‘World Energy Investment 2026’ (May 2026)
We’ve been here before and you still have responded to my comment, clearly because you’re clueless about the reality in China.
I said:
BTW, you often bang on about how China has had huge growth in EV sales.
Recently I was in China for about a month and had many conversations with Chinese people.
Chinese people can’t just walk into a dealership and buy whatever car they want. New license plates are strictly limited:
For ICE cars: You enter a lottery with terrible odds (often less than 1% chance). Many people wait years, many never win the lottery.For EVs: Much easier – you often get a plate immediately, or through a far less competitive process, sometimes for free. People take this route even though they can’t afford a new car and buy the license plate for when/if they can afford a new car.
How it distorts things:
It artificially boosts EV sales by making them the only practical option for many buyers and potential buyers who want a car now.People who would naturally prefer a petrol car (for range, refuelling speed, or lower upfront cost in some cases) are forced into EVs instead.This creates inflated demand for EVs that isn’t purely based on consumer preference, price, or performance.
It’s a very effective government tool for hitting EV targets and reducing local emissions, but it’s classic central planning distortion – not a free market outcome. Many “EV adopters” in these cities are simply lottery refugees.
So the next time you bank on about how great China’s EV sales are, bear this in mind, because frankly it’s clear you know nothing about EV sales in China.
Aren’t taxpayer-financed subsidies great?
We agree, end EV subsidies.
IEA
“We provide authoritative analysis, data, policy recommendations and solutions to ensure energy security and help the world transition to clean energy”
IEA is a political organization akin to the IPCC.
That happens when you read nothing but executive summaries.
Another good reason to end EV subsidies and begin charging EVs a mileage tax. According to you, their growth is unstoppable anyway, so let them pay their own way.
Another socialist who thinks government mandates prove popular acceptance.
Oh good, UsernameRetarded and FoolishNincompoop have weighed in.
Phew! I was afraid they wouldn’t.
Made my day. Gave me a couple of good laughs.
The truth is, there never was a “case for EVs”, because it was all based on lies. At best, they are merely expensive toys for rich people, or glorified golf carts, take your pick. Without government support, and without punishing “fossil fuels” there would be very few on the roads.
I agree that EV have no place in our society. However hybrid vehicles are a horse of a different color. They are really ice in disguise. They still use gasoline. however the engine can be smaller because of the presence of electric motors. Regenerative braking makes them more efficient. Long term life may be an issue. Brakes should last longer. Battery costs may still be an issue.
MILD hybrids are a definite benefit. Small batteries can add to performance, efficiency and even refinement if done right (see the 2027 Nissan Rogue “E-Power” series hybrid which combines ICE power with electric motor drive, which I think will be a boon to hybrid vehicle refinement and enjoyment).
Anything that “plugs in” is a stupid arrangement, because they bring big, heavy, expensive batteries into the mix. There’s nothing “efficient” about adding hundreds of pounds to a vehicle just so you can trade some fuel for grid charging.
As long as they aren’t subsidized (aren’t partially paid for by me).
Look! Squirrel!
Don’t you mean squirrelbait?
Gonorrhea is running rampant in socialist cities, I wouldn’t jump on that bandwagon either.
Did you even read that chart?
bwahahaha
Did you?
Yes. It is not just “EVs.”
If EVs were so great there would be a mandate or bribes to buy one, would there?
It’s easy to create a market when the government subsidizes one side of the market and tries to make your competitors illegal.
what is it about socialists and their complete inability to understand even basic economics.
I was strictly against EV cars for years, but now I’m slowly inclining on EV side.
I’m attracted for possibility to forget oil changes, intake filter changes etc.
It changed my opinion by range increasing above 300-500 real kilometers on charge and charging time decreasing under 25 minutes.
Assuming starting with fully charged batteries at home I can have 500-700+ km of range with one 12 minute charging. That is right on the limit I can drive daily.
And with possibility to charge in house from rooftop solar and house batteries. Also grid price for charging at home is somewhere around 3 Euros/100km, while price for ICE car fueling is skyrocketing somewhere at 10-15 Euros/100km. If EV cars will be taxed more, it will change my opinion, but this is current situation.
Towing capacity was my showstopper on EV too, but recently there are EV cars showing capable of towing 1200 – 1400kg, what is enough for me.
And I like silence of electric engine, immediate moment with acceleration.
I have experiences with LFP batteries in my house solar and while li-ion batteries lasted around 500-1000 cycles what with 50kWh capacity means around 150.000 – 300.000 kilometers, LFP can last 2000 to 6000 cycles what with 50kWh capacity means 600.000 to 1.800.000 km’s, rendering battery cycle life non issue.
There are some use cases for them but fundamentally they take more energy, and as this article points out, there is little if any benefit from an environmental perspective.
I could today purchase a high-end EV for pennies on the dollar. It would function fine as a second or third vehicle. Taxpayers got screwed and the original buyer of it got screwed even more.
Have at it if you choose. As others here have pointed out numerous times, taxpayers in general should not be forced to pay for this folly.
You used your freedom and liberty to evaluate and make a choice.
Where I live, winter is a killer on EVs from my point of view.
Charging your battery enough for 600km in 12 minutes, is a good way to make sure your battery only lasts a year or two.
Sure EV’s work for a segment of society and they are welcome to them. Just don’t tell me I have to pay for their EV and don’t tell me I have to own one. Where I live there’s a huge downside to EV’s. It’s regularly over 100 in the summer (burning battery for AC), It’s regularly freezing in the winter (burning battery for heating) and there’s large areas with no charging stations in sight.
On top of that my house doesn’t have the electrical capacity to put in an EV charging station so I would be stuck plugging it into an outlet for trickle chargin or hunting up the few charging stations around. Heck my BIL bought a Tesla and there is exactly one charging station in town he can use and that’s if it’s working (lots of meth heads in the area stealing copper). Only saving grace for him is he has a 2 mile round trip for work so can easily charge that up with an extension cord (no walking due to a disability).
One quibble. There never was a “case for EVs.” It is, as it always has been, about government force and “incentives.”
Without those stupidities, the “market” for battery powered toys would never have been big enough to achieve economies of scale.
Very few would voluntarily trade cars that go a long distance and refuel in a few minutes to repeat that long distance range and that work in all weather conditions for vehicles that don’t go nearly as far, take 3/4 of an hour to “refuel,” and won’t “refuel” at all under extreme cold conditions.
This is written for the UK and I live in the US. The US is much larger and there are various issues with EVs 1) have been that EV cars that get in accidents even small ones have insurance companies declare them total wrecks as the batteries get damaged, 2) US states are now adding increased charges to EVs as there is added road costs, 3) EVs have gone into fire that cannot be put out, 4) high EV cost is turning people away, and 5) EVs require tires much more than ICE vehicles.
UK is introducing a ‘pay-per-mile’ tax for EVs from April 2028 which will cost the average driver £300 a year. (Whether it will still actually be £300 two years from now is anybody’s guess.)
As long as one gets the freedom to decide and the liberty to act on that decision without government mandates, excess taxing, etc., one can chose what is best on the individual level.
Your points are valid and I have the same outlook. But what is best for me is not necessarily best for the person who lives across the street.
EV mandates, in simple terms, are a one size fits all approach that has never worked in the past.
For most, it is fitting a round peg in a square hole. Yes it goes it, but it does not fit.
Second decade of having a marginally practical EV, and they are still only valid for Rich Urbanites who own a garage and only as a second car.
I will quibble with the semantics of saying the transportation sector doesn’t use EVs since many trains have essentially been diesel-electric for decades now. But yes, I am aware he was talking about tractor trailers and cargo vans.
Diesel-electric locomotives are akin to Hybrid EVs.
EV is a term that defines context and can mean whatever the individual cares to believe.
Not all hybrids are powered soley by their electric motors.
Diesel-electric trains have no batteries
So no, they are not akin to Hybrid EVs.
Your ignorance astounds day after day.
No. I will not do the leg work for you.
Go look for yourself.
Trains: Traditional Diesel-Electric trains only have a starter battery for the diesel engine and the traction comes from the electric motor. No battery to store energy for traction
There are hybrid trains, but they are commonly not refered to as Diesel-electric, and are a more recent development.
Cars:
Paralel hybrids can be powered directly by the ICE and / or the electric moter, and have a battery to store energy.
Not akin and I saved you some legwork.
Any way you look at it, you HAVE to have a hydrocarbon fuelled engine to drive a car any distance without taking massive time-wasting breaks.
It appears that (non-plug-in) hybrids like the porous and other vehicles achieve the same lifetime CO2 reduction with less mining environmental damage. They are also not heavily subsidized.
As noted in the article, plug in charging uses electric power, mostly generated either by fossil fuels or by expensive, subsidized wind and solar. The “renewable” options also have major issues related to disposal of solar panels or she told windmills. The real transition for electricity should be toward nuclear options.
Pardon the she told” added to the last sentence by my “helpful” spell check system.
Could not find a definition of LPG.
I can guess it is liquified petroleum gas.
Someone verify?
https://www.eia.gov/tools/glossary/index.php?id=Liquefied+petroleum+gases+%28LPG%29
Propane, butane, etc.
Very nice, get the government out of the transportation business.
I just read an article from CarBuzz that states: “One analysis that looks at more than 950,000 five year old vehicles sold between March 2025 and February 2026 found that the overall depreciation rate was 41.8%. EVs, however, depreciated by an average of 57.2%; representing the worst performance within any major vehicle segment.”