Reposted from the Air Vent

Jeff ID

I was dreaming of a world last night where we had a perfect energy source. It was a nice dream. Something which was high density, easily transportable, simple to find and not damaging to the environment. wow… What if it then had a low extraction footprint with no strip-mining, no rarity of existence, and even better, no biologically deadly emissions. It would be a Gaian dream. Greener than anything ever imagined by any human in history.

My dream grew even bigger. I don’t think small when dreaming apparently, which must be a side effect of the nefarious manner in which I was raised. This energy source was something that was easy to use with simple machinery such that energy could be made into rotational, kinetic, electric and heat with minimal mechanical requirements. You might even carry it in a bucket or something – I know it’s silly.

Such an energy source would revolutionize humanity. With almost no negative impacts, everyone on Earth would be behind it. Imagine how the freedom it would create would be completely unbounded. You could literally travel anywhere!! And then, what if that energy source emitted something useful!!!!

I know it’s impossible but wow, what a world it would be. What a world!!!!!!

My perfect dream would create no change in the existing rate of sea level rise – in all of recorded history..

Hurricanes wouldn’t increase..

Droughts would not get worse..

Famine would be dramatically reduced.

I know it’s impossible but man, what if its byproducts made clothes and food and toys and even birthday cakes!!! That would be a beautiful thing! Ahhh, if only I were God, what a thing I would do.

Everyone would be on my side.

Every single person would be my friend.

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March 1, 2023 10:03 pm

Here I am, front of the queue to congratulate you. 🙂

Phillip Bratby
March 1, 2023 10:48 pm

If only we had coal and oil and natural gas. The world would be wonderful.

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 1, 2023 11:06 pm

Armageddon denier The Antichrist got to you. What you need is a hair shirt well impregnated with itching powder

Reply to  alastairgray29yahoocom
March 2, 2023 4:42 am

The really holy people used fleas.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 2, 2023 1:24 am

It would be, if we had any left, here in the UK both are getting BEE. Beyond Economic Extraction.
Fossil fuel was great while it lasted.

Phillip Bratby
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 2, 2023 2:20 am

Nonsense. It is only government policy that stops the UK extracting lots of oil, gas and coal.

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 2, 2023 3:05 am

Not coal, in the UK. The UK is well over peak coal. Huge while it lasted, but its over now. Gas and oil, maybe.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  michel
March 2, 2023 3:09 am
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
March 2, 2023 3:18 am

I also disagree. Scotland alone has coal reserves which would last more than 300 years but we aren’t allowed to dig it up.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  michel
March 2, 2023 7:40 am

The BGS has just published an updated (2nd March 23) series of maps showing coal resources in the UK. There is a general map of Britain and 6 ‘inset maps’- Scotland; North East and North West; East Pennines; Lancashire, North Wales and West Midlands; South Wales; and Forest of Dean and Bristol. Unfortunately only available for purchase.

When UK was part of Euracoal the latter said UK had identifiedcoal resources of 3910m tonnes although total resources could be as high as 187 bn tonnes. There are also 1 bn tonnes of lignite in N Ireland

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 2, 2023 3:54 am

The UK has identified hard coal resources of 3 910 million tonnes, although total resources could be as large as 187 billion tonnes.

The UK’s petroleum reserves remain at a significant level. The NSTA’s estimate for proven and probable (2P) UKCS reserves as at end 2021 is 4.0 billion boe, 0.4bn boe lower than as at end 2020.

The waters off the coast of the UK still contain oil and gas reserves equivalent to 15 billion barrels of oil equivalent (boe), enough to fuel the UK for 30 years


Seems a decent amount to me.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 2, 2023 5:03 am

“The coalfield, which extends from Cape Morien to Cape Dauphin, and 300 kilometres offshore, has hosted about 100 mines and produced more coal than all other Nova Scotia coalfields combined.”

UK has similar under-sea-bed coal. You need a new government and a few boat loads of Nova Scotia miners.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
March 2, 2023 5:44 am

Interesting. Visited the Cape Breton Mining museum and two of my cousins were miners in South Lancashire – although not under sea like in Northumberland.

Reply to  Leo Smith
March 2, 2023 8:39 am

Where do you get this nonsense?

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 2, 2023 8:15 am

Wake up to a wonderful thing! There is plenty for all! VAST Supply but the world is not wonderful. The world has plunged into fear and trembling because of power games in the upper atmosphere of the untouchables.

March 1, 2023 11:47 pm

And what if this dream source of energy was natural, organic and biodegradable too….

Reply to  ThinkingScientist
March 2, 2023 4:10 am

natural, organic and biodegradable

Really? And under which rock do you propose we look for THAT?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  cilo
March 2, 2023 8:46 am

A good place to start would be under Permian rocks.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 2, 2023 11:39 am

Oh, thanks.
Where’s Permia?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  cilo
March 2, 2023 9:17 pm

In this context, Permian is not a place, but a time.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 2, 2023 10:58 pm

Also, how did your operation go? My doctor tells me humorectomies are not painful at all, but my ex developed a spastic downturn of the mouth corners…

March 2, 2023 12:41 am

The neo-feudalists would never allow it

March 2, 2023 1:05 am

Everyone would be on my side.

Every single person would be my friend.

It is well established that the technological and thus living standard of any society is closely related to the amount of energy available. This is where reality diverges from The Plan:
Agenda 2030, a United Nations dogmatic scripture Plan to implement by, you guessed it, 2030, has this little gem as one of its stated global “Goal 9”:
(We shall) “…foster innovation”
Doesn’t that sound nice? Do you own a dictionary? Go look up ‘foster’. It is when you take something away from those who gave birth to it, and raise it in protective custody.
Now keep that in mind, every time you philosophy on Energy and the continued existence of mankind as we knew it.
Can we at least agree, your dream has many, many enemies, and they are richer than you.

Leo Smith
Reply to  cilo
March 2, 2023 1:26 am

And one – Nature – who is undefeatable.
Fossil fuels are a finite resource. And repeating the opposite to yourself even 20 times a day will not change it.

Reply to  Leo Smith
March 2, 2023 4:13 am

There MUST be a sixth elephant, you know…

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  cilo
March 2, 2023 9:20 pm

The 5th Elephant was an entertaining movie, but I don’t think it warranted a sequel.

George T
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 2, 2023 4:48 am

Finite or not. Our resources ought to be used for the benefit of society until something else better comes along. Leaving it in the grounds makes no sense unless of course you have the misguided point of view CO2 is bad. I don’t. All this government interference and fixation on carbon is just rubbish. People, our economy and society are being harmed and these bureaucrats simply don’t seem to care or recognize the greater harm being perpetrated. Although, they do sadly.

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Ronald Havelock
Reply to  George T
March 2, 2023 11:33 am

fixation on carbon is just rubbish,” say it again, say it loud and clear!
Shout it from the rooftops!

Leo Smith
March 2, 2023 1:22 am

One large drawback, it is not infinitely available. And is no longer cheap.

Reply to  Leo Smith
March 2, 2023 7:11 am

This is a silly, Malthusian statement. It is the sort of statement made by people who understand the very basics of arithmetic, but nothing more about math, science, tech, or even modern civilization. If you really believed it, you would be advocating for the development of nuclear fission reactors, because the fuel is available from the sea constantly washing down from the land. And the cost of the uranium (and thorium, if that is your preference) is so small that the increased cost for harvesting it from the sea is just a rounding error in the final cost of the electricity.

But you just make these silly statements because you don’t really care about the cost – you want to be in control of everyone else, and tell them how to live their lives. You get personal satisfaction from telling them what to do – you would make a great dictator, if you ever rose to that level.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 2, 2023 8:51 am

The need is not infinite, so it doesn’t have to have infinite availability.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 2, 2023 2:21 pm

Infinity is a concept, not a number.

Ron Long
March 2, 2023 1:41 am

I learned in High School that this girl did not have the same dream as me. The realization has stuck with me.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Ron Long
March 2, 2023 4:20 am

You probably had a short-term dream, and she probably had a long-term dream. 🙂

David Dibbell
March 2, 2023 3:43 am

The authentic renewables are water vapor and carbon dioxide, the products of combustion. So making good use of hydrocarbon fuels from natural sources makes perfect sense. Sure, eventually the depletion of natural deposits will need to be solved. Maybe nuclear-powered advanced synthesis, maybe anaerobic methanogens, maybe a lot of things. But we will do best to stop demonizing hydrocarbon fuels.

Wind + solar + battery storage is not “renewable.” Not even close. It requires too much manufacturing of new harvesting and storage machines that turn quickly into junk.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  David Dibbell
March 2, 2023 4:22 am

“Wind + solar + battery storage is not “renewable.””

And then there are the replacement costs, which are never figured into the equation by the geniuses proposing “renewables”.

David Dibbell
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 2, 2023 6:37 am

Exactly. That crazy train will run off the tracks, and it will be an epic wreck.

March 2, 2023 3:48 am

Hey friend, can you spare a bucket or sixteen to fill up my car?

March 2, 2023 5:08 am

Yes, just imagine if thorium powered liquid salts cooled reactors had not been abandoned….and imagine if Czar Putey Putin had not funded the anti-frackers in Europe.

March 2, 2023 5:31 am

Alex… What are fossil fuels?

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  David Middleton
March 2, 2023 9:00 am

where did you get those life expectancy figures? My father was born in 1913 and lived to more than twice the 1900 life expectancy; his brother was born in 1917 and lived to be 94. The problem with typical life expectancy tables is that children formerly had high death rates. Those who made it past military age often lived as long, or longer, than we do today.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 2, 2023 2:19 pm

Our World in Data… It’s the average “global” life expectancy. Lot’s of people live longer than the average life expectancy… And people in countries like the USA tend to live longer than the global average.

My father was also born in 1913. He lived to be 93. My mom was born in 1923 and she only lived to be 50.

March 2, 2023 5:32 am

Perfect dream because there is a enough of that stuff to go around for at least a millennia or longer.

My dream is super cheap energy (any input, any storage, any distribution) at grid or home scale that would empower people economically to go do their thing anywhere, even in rural America.

Anything that ends the ethical religious dystopian narrative that is sucking the life out of the West.

Unfortunately that isn’t a science and tech thing….. it is a power thing..

Ron Long
Reply to  JC
March 2, 2023 8:56 am

Mr. Middleton, fossil fuels are preserved dinosaur blood. Your question is so good that it is the same as a correct answer, so a check is in the mail. Wait for it. Alex

Reply to  JC
March 2, 2023 4:37 pm

My cabin is in rural America. (Utah) Our electricity is provided by a co-op that gets its power primarily from hydro. The electricity is cheap.

When I built the cabin, workers who live in the area asked why we were putting in LPG heat, water heat, etc. They said it was cheaper to just use electric. They were, and still are, correct on that, however an all electric house would require a much larger genset, and for the genset, I would still need LPG, which does not spoil like diesel or gas.

So as to rural electricity, in much of the US it is cheap. Primarily where the federal government built hydro. Our power bill this winter never reached $100.00 US. The summer is much lower since we have no AC. I do have LPG expense, and I do burn a lot of wood, coming up on 6 cords, this really cold and windy winter.

I went to shovel out my buried generator this morning and discovered it had run sometime last night. There was a snow cavern created by the exhaust. I was surprised because it didn’t wake me up, but a couple feet of snow surrounding the reasonably quiet generator could be why. Also my hearing loss due to having worked construction and my age could also be why. Funny that my better half with “good” hearing NEVER wakes up when the generator runs. I usually do.

March 2, 2023 6:02 am

Central england is effectively a syncline (basin) of coal from one coast almost right through to the other, maybe a little high on sulphur but still coal, and lots of it.

Reply to  Jono1066
March 2, 2023 8:04 am

Natural Gas estimates in England have ranged between 68 TCM to 4 TCM. It’s anyone’s guess just how much recoverable natural gas there is. With a 2021 consumption of 2.7 Tcf. If 68 TCM is close to the truth and at full production, this would supply all of England’s natural gas needs for approximate 70-80 years. There has been little will on the part of European counties to exploit their natural gas reserves due to environmental concerns and the the global hydrocarbon fuel markets. No wants to invest to extract and lose their shirts….. this is why these markets are full of collusion both direct cartel control and defacto by algorithm. WEF has had huge influence on Western Counties regarding the climate change narrative.

March 2, 2023 7:37 am
Reply to  johchi7
March 2, 2023 9:00 am

Note, when you take the transformers apart and only use the 1.5 – 3.0 Volt DC coils you are making a Magneto like used in small engines to create high voltage spark to the spark plug(‘s). In the first test he only had 1 Magneto that got 228 Volts AC out of the motor and after all 4 were connected got 230 Volts AC out of the motor – which is all the motor could output at 1,400 rpm. Each of the 2 tools he used in the 2nd test, the computer and water pump are 230 Volts AC or 110 in the USA. I would like to know the total Kw output before it overloads. That this motor outputs 230 Volts AC it can turn a larger motor to turn an actual generator that has surge protection. If your home requirements are bigger, just add more of these devices.

Reply to  johchi7
March 2, 2023 11:43 am

just add more of these devices.

You cannot do that, after the second or third device, all the local plasmagube will have been absorbed, leaving nothing in the gyre to power the warp on any subsequent woof.
Geez, everybody knows that!

Reply to  cilo
March 3, 2023 6:29 am

Like Joe Biden you need medical help and I hope you don’t have an important position anywhere.

Reply to  johchi7
March 3, 2023 6:19 am

I would seriously like to know why you don’t like or just discredit this with an explanation?

Reply to  johchi7
March 4, 2023 6:31 am

Okay. Consider nothing but friction, we’ll do no maths.
You power a motor with a battery. For every Watt of power you put into the motor, the motor will turn with equal force, MINUS the friction losses. Your hero uses a belt to drive a second, larger, handcrafted motor? That belt has massive friction losses, which then drives a second motor, with its own friction losses. This second motor is then supposed to do some work for you, again with friction losses. Can you see how you should have used the battery to drive your work, and save so much losses, just in friction?
“But, but, he gets 220 voltses! From a little battery!!”
Imagine a brick falls on your toe. We agree, the heavier the brick, the more force it has to crush your toe. We measure that force in Ampére. (The physical size of your battery determines the amount of force (Amps) it can deliver) But what if I lift the brick only two inches? The brick will not hurt much, but if I lift it ten feet? We can say, the higher I lift the brick, the more potential it has to hurt you. We measure that potential in Volts. Once the brick hits your toe, it transfers all the potential (V) force (A) as power (W) into your toe. Your electricity provider charges you for using their power (Watts) all day (Hours) by charging you per WattHour (kiloWh). They charge you for the total Energy (Joules) used.
What the con artists on your internet do is tell you they lifted a pickup truck 220 feet in the air, but actually it is a scale model at 220 inches, and its made of styrofoam. In other words, they spent more energy making, transporting and lifting up that fake truck, than aall the energy you could possibly get out of it on the fall. They took xWh from a battery, wasted it on turning motors, without even showing you how they extract so much as one Watt of extra power out the other side, or even just break even. (I can light that same light bulb with a lemon or potato). Their Volts mean nothing.
If you want to become familiar with a subject, start by learning the meaning of their words. Especially the words they don’t use.

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Reply to  cilo
March 4, 2023 7:22 pm

It is obvious you did not watch the video. The aluminum/silver rotor – or should we say flywheel – is mounted directly to the electric motor shaft. The Ionic Field is held in balance between the 4 magnetos and the only provided electricity is what that motor generates with a stepdown from 230 VAC to 12 VDC that powers those magnetos. While the built-on fan controls excess heat dissipation, some energy is lost, and yet provides enough electricity to power the devices as shown. There is not a single battery used in the device and nowhere to hide batteries in the tools to power them. You see trick photography where it doesn’t exist.

Reply to  johchi7
March 4, 2023 10:47 pm

No, I do not know which particular video you watched, I stopped watching fakes like that when the internet was five years old, because they are all fake.
I repeat, if you want to become familiar with a subject, learn their terminology. Magnetos? Ionic field? Did you at least open a dictionary?

While the built-on fan controls excess heat dissipation, some energy is lost

Go sit down and think about how heat is generated, then tell me how a fan ‘controls’ it. Blowing cool air over something cools it down, but it does not prevent it from generating heat.
No fan belt? Saves some friction, now go learn the names of all the other forces working against you in a motor.
You are so far away from understanding what you are talking about, the people are not even voting on our conversation!
It’s nice that you want to find out, but think about it: a guy devises a machine that gives free power, and instead of building them and selling to his neighbours, giving them away free to schools, selling the patent to Shell, he decides to tell you about it on a video, and walks away?
P.S. If you are actually using magnetos, please be aware that you are in actual danger of hurtful radiation! Quickly scanned the vid. I dare you to go build one, let us know…

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Reply to  cilo
March 5, 2023 8:04 am

No, I do not know which particular video you watched, I stopped watching fakes like that when the internet was five years old, because they are all fake.”

The link was provided above. It’s Willfully ignorant to make comments without reviewing the subject.

It’s nice that you want to find out, but think about it: a guy devises a machine that gives free power, and instead of building them and selling to his neighbours, giving them away free to schools, selling the patent to Shell, he decides to tell you about it on a video, and walks away?”

You are presuming he doesn’t want to produce and sell these, while he asks to share this with others, he makes money from his viewership. And supporters. There are still people in this world that believe sharing knowledge that can help others is beneficial and don’t want to create a business themselves. He is also using known technologies that are already patented and using products he bought to make this machine. To therefore make these he would have to make everything in a factory and build them, to sell. Some people do not want that kind of life.

There are those of us that use applied science to create and those that are academics that easy chair criticizes their efforts. A generator like this one is a threat to those in the fossil fuels industries and manufacturers of other energy sources, as it would put them out of business or cause great financial losses as these became more popular.

P.S. If you are actually using magnetos, please be aware that you are in actual danger of hurtful radiation!”

We live in a world where we are surrounded by electrical fields already as electricity flows throughout our homes and the devices like the computer or phones we use, the sunlight we get and the magnetic core of the earth to name a few. Like a microwave oven there is shielding to reduce the radiation from escaping while in use.

 I dare you to go build one, let us know…”

I have tinkered with smaller devices like these for years and know the principles work on those scales, where a low current into a coil in a transformer is amplified into a higher current output. And yes, I have the intention of making one myself in the future for my own use, to add to the others I’ve made and know those work.

Walter Sobchak
March 2, 2023 8:07 am

The warmunists would bitterly oppose your perfect energy source. One of their number once said that creating such an energy source would be like handing a loaded gun to a small child.

Their goal is to impoverish, humiliate, and demoralize the lower orders. They want serfs not free citizens.

Once you understand their real goals, everything is clear.

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March 2, 2023 8:29 am

The most Energy intense source is Nuclear. We need to go all out for it. We need to reduce the old fashioned BS Regulations that make Nuclear Plants slow and expensive to build eg Design one, build many, and do it consecutively with the same teams. In the meantime use all of the available resources ie onshore gas, coal and oil. The BGS have some great data showing the extent of resources in the UK. Forget about wasting money time and energy on wind and solar, they’re a distraction. Keep the anti fracking brigade at bay with proper transparently verifiable data. Record the seismology.

Danley Wolfe
March 2, 2023 10:34 am

Sounds to me a lot like natural gas with some geothermal thrown in.

March 2, 2023 3:39 pm

I had a dream the other night too. We had to go after some bad guys in small boats that were charged by putting them, pointy end up, into a thing like a toaster. Problem when I popped the toaster, they were not sufficiently charged.

Must stop reading Watts Up before bed.

March 3, 2023 8:34 pm

Your dreams are placing you far into the future. We once had all that, and abandoned it.

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