Calls to Ban Gas Stoves are Anti-Science, Anti-Freedom, and Anti-Energy

From Energy Talking Points by Alex Epstein

Instead of informing us with accurate science about gas stoves so we can make better decisions, anti-fossil fuel activists are distorting science

Alex Epstein

Calls to ban gas stoves are anti-science, anti-freedom, and anti-energy

Instead of informing us with accurate science about gas stoves so we can make better decisions, anti-fossil fuel activists are distorting science to justify forcing their anti-gas agenda on us.

  • Early 2023 has featured a carefully orchestrated campaign in which:

    1. A paper whose lead author is an anti-fossil-fuel activist claims that gas stoves cause 12.7% of child asthma.
    2. The Federal government and NY proposed bans on new gas stoves.

    We should reject this campaign.1
  • The campaign against gas stoves should be rejected for 3 reasons:
    1. Families have the right incorporate any real science about gas stoves as they judge best
    2. The 12.7% claim is a distortion of science
    3. The anti-gas movement is a threat to our grid and therefore our health
  • Whether and how to use a gas or electric stove should be determined by individuals and families based on what they judge best. For example, many will rationally choose to use a cheaper, more functional gas stove with good ventilation as the best option.
  • There are many decisions that families make that affect kids’ health far more than a gas vs. electric stove: what kinds of food kids eat, how much exercise they get, and how much money parents allocate to health vs. other expenses.

    Do governments then get to dictate all these?
  • Does anyone have the right to dictate what parents feed their kids, how much exercise kids get, and how much of their money families spend on healthcare?

    No.

    They only have the right to try to persuade parents with good info and arguments. The same applies to gas stoves.
  • Whenever someone offers you “science,” not to inform your voluntary choices but to impose a ban on you, you can be confident that what they are calling science is a distortion.

    This is certainly the case with the pseudo-precise claim that gas stoves case 12.7% of child asthma.
  • Any confident claim that something causes specifically X% of asthma is BS. Asthma is a cluster of symptoms that researchers do not have a clear causal picture of.

    As the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute states, “The exact cause of asthma is unknown, and the causes may be different from person to person.”2

  • Strong evidence stoves are not a leading concern for asthma: In the US, both CA, a state with one of the highest gas stove uses, and ND, a state with one of the lowest gas stove uses, have some of the lowest asthma rates.3
  • Observe that CDC data shows that between 1980 and the mid-1990s asthma rates almost doubled, despite a significant decline in air pollution. This is an anti-correlation that contradicts the narrative that asthma is mainly caused by pollution.4
  • Honest scientists recognize that what causes asthma is unknown and might be many factors. Ambient air pollution was long blamed for asthma, but the data for ambient pollution and asthma anti-correlate in Western countries.

    The gas stove banners are not honest scientists.
  • Despite significant decreases in US ambient air pollution over the last decades, asthma prevalence increased. Without a really precise understanding of all the moving pieces, detailed attribution to things like gas stoves without empirical research is pretentious pseudo-science.5

The lead author of the paper used to argue for a gas stove ban is affiliated with the Rocky Mountain Institute, headed by Amory Lovins—an anti-energy “energy expert” who has said: “It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy”.6

  • Opponents of fossil fuels consistently commit the same fallacy: they argue for restrictions or bans on fossil fuels by ignoring the enormous benefits of fossil fuels and catastrophizing fossil fuels’ negative side-effects.

    Their latest campaign is focused on life-giving natural gas.
  • Natural gas is completely crucial to our standard of living and therefore our health. Gas is our leading source of electricity and provides vital energy for heating and for gas stoves.

    The anti-gas movement makes us more dependent on electricity that is more expensive and unreliable.7
  • Observe the trend of the anti-fossil-fuel movement telling us we need to electrify everything and opposing reliable electricity sources.

    crucial protection against this is the right to use non-electric devices: cars, heaters, and stoves. We must fight for this protection.
  • The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s latest asthma surveillance shows that the most important factors in asthma prevalence are income and ethnicity—with ethnicity likely being another income indicator.

    As usual, wealth is health.

    Decreasing wealth via anti-fossil-fuel policies is anti-health.8
  • Anti-fossil-fuel activists have been jumping on the opportunity to stir up panic about gas stoves. One parroted the “12.7%” fabrication, then ran a viral self-experiment finding emissions above recommended levels. His “solution” is not better ventilation but forcing his agenda.9
  • One of the biggest threats to our health is the use of pseudoscientific “health” claims about the side-effects of fossil fuels in order to deprive us of the life-and-health-saving benefits of fossil fuels—including abundant, affordable healthy food and modern medicine.
  • The proper response to the gas-stove-banners?

    Tell them that you are interested in an valid science they want to offer you voluntarily—but that you will fight them to the death when they use pseudoscience to take away our freedom to produce and use energy.

If you’re on Twitter, please share these talking points there.

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Frank from NoVA
January 14, 2023 10:41 am

For the gazillionth time, the purpose of a stove, or any other heating appliance, is to heat stuff up. And from my recollection of thermo, it’s a lot more efficient to burn gas for heat directly in a gas appliance than it is to first convert said gas to electricity for use in an electric appliance.

Scissor
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
January 14, 2023 1:03 pm

The higher efficiency of gas is a good point.

Also, diversity in this case is a desirable attribute. For instance, if electricity is out, one might still be able to use gas for cooking, heating and even light.

I’m shopping for a gas stove. Cosmo mid-grade ranges look decent and are half the price of the high-end Viking brand.

jclarke341
January 14, 2023 10:42 am

The push to ban gas stoves is not about gas stoves, or any possible impact on health from having a gas stove. Like the entire climate crisis narrative, this is about compliance and control.

The overall goal of the globalists is to control you and make you completely compliant to their dictates. In order to make that happen, you must be dependent on them for every aspect of your wellbeing. This includes your finances, your food and your energy. The demonization of gas stoves is happening in concert with an engineered food shortage, the introduction of 15-minute cities, and the looming collapse of traditional currency in favor of a central bank digital currency. In addition, the beta test of the social credit score has been going on in China for the last several years.

The goal is your compliance to the authorities. If you misbehave in any way, like writing posts on WUWT, The authorities want the ability to punish you by electronically taking your wealth, rationing your food, and turning off your energy.

New electric meters are being installed everywhere that will enable the electric companies to turn of the power to individuals from a central office. No human is required to go to your home and turn off the power. If you are doing something the government does not like, they can have the electric company turn off your power, while keeping the power of your more compliant neighbors in tact. If however, you have a gas stove which they cannot turn off, you will not be punished enough. You can still cook and even stay warm in the cold with a gas stove. You will still have too much freedom for their liking. That is why they are coming for your gas stove. Ultimately, they are coming for anything that might diminish their control over you.

Three years ago, if I read what I just wrote, I would think I was a conspiracy nut-job! But after the last three years of global insanity, and having gathered information about the WEF and other globalist organizations, my paranoia is well deserved and seems a lot more like wisdom!

philincalifornia
Reply to  jclarke341
January 14, 2023 11:29 am

“Like the entire climate crisis narrative, this is about compliance and control.”

Maybe, but I think it’s more about getting the libtard vote which, obviously, in these current depressing times, is huge. They, and their useful idiots spout this crap 24/7, with the pseudo-left wing leeches at the top of the pyramid also controlling the mainstream media and the social media.

They have to be voted into their pseudo-jobs of pretending to save the planet and other BS. They’re not employable in real jobs.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  philincalifornia
January 14, 2023 1:57 pm

Yes, they want the libtard vote. They want people to be compliant – serfs, in other words.
I give it ten years: It will either work or there will be almighty kick-back – civil unrest, as the paid-for government like to say.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Harry Passfield
January 14, 2023 2:01 pm

It won’t work.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Rud Istvan
January 14, 2023 2:29 pm

Which won’t work Rud, the civil unrest or continuing to get the libtard vote?

I don’t think they can continue to get the libtard vote forever. They have to escalate and deflect from their previous Animal Farm pig lies.

Joao Martins
Reply to  philincalifornia
January 15, 2023 3:48 am

“Like the entire climate crisis narrative, this is about compliance and control.”
Maybe, but I think it’s more about getting the libtard vote …

What is the difference? What are votes for but to control through compliance? There is no place for a “but…” in here.

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Crispin in Val Quentin
Reply to  philincalifornia
January 15, 2023 11:31 am

Phil in Calif

My take on this is a little different, having seen the industry of alarm about PM2.5 grow and metastasize. It works like this:

Take any potentially harmful “thing” that at first appearance, must reasonably be bad for us: air pollution, water contamination, heat waves, cold waves, car accidents, it is not important which.

Then imagine an over-abundance of the Thing. Write something that claims the Thing is already a problem and getting inexorably worse, offering as suggestions extreme measures needed to bring the Thing under control, permanently, if wisely guided.

To accomplish this solution, a small coterie of self-identified people who are “experts” in the field must be given anointed status and the necessary power to execute their Solution. This happens a lot with academics.

This is quite different from the “they want to control us” meme that is too often invoked as a Way To Explain Everything. The world is a lot less coordinated than novices expect, and there are a lot more self-serving groups with a narrow agenda than novices expect. In the professional world of duping the masses, there are rules for exploiting the novices which, if applied correctly, will lead then into a state of continuous stress and alarm. That state can be used to fleece the grant system using, usually, their own publications in furthering their alarmist agenda. CO2 is just one of many being run in this manner.

There are of course opportunists left and right who seek to band-wagon their way to influence and control, and riches of course, but these claims are easily over-blown. Just as claims that every heat wave is “proof of global warming”, every claim that the WEF of the NWO is gaining control of your life is simply over-stating or mis-stating the problem and inflating our opinion of their power and effectiveness. A great example of this is to read (if you can) what people on the ground in the Middle East think is the “amazing” powers of the USA’s secret forces to “manipulate people’s brains directly” using their “super-powers”. One hears “America is a superpower – they can do anything” followed by wild speculations of how the latest thing was secretly caused by some amazing weapon or tool. Millions truly believe truly unbelievable stories. Their daily bread is conspiracy theories, three times a day.

Calm down, everyone. Secret agendas are easily subverted by exposing them, with careful documentation as provided by methodical investigators like Whitney Webb and her two volume “One Nation Under Blackmail”. What an opus! I am nearly finished reading it. Many things claimed to be a global conspiracy are just the massive mafia networks doing their usual fraud, subversion and skim-and-hide. The extent to which national governments created, run and expanded the illicit drug trade is truly breath-taking. What on earth do they do with the money? This is not the “WEF” or the “NWO”, it is known and publicly funded departments of governments doing what they have done since 1940. The entire international heroin industry could be shut down in a day, if that was the desire. It is not.

The present institutions for protecting the public are lamentably defective. That doesn’t mean they are “clever”. The best disinfectant is sunlight. Keep digging and shine on.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  jclarke341
January 16, 2023 10:05 am

Actually, I think the push to ban gas stoves is driven by a virulent, hate-filled anti-Asian racism. Try making a stir-fry, or fried rice, or any other wok-cooked meal over anything but a gas flame.

This racist crusade may be further intensified by a triggering effect of the word “wok”. It’s one letter short of the blessed word “woke”, and would naturally elicit hateful scorn of those who use it when it might cause confusion with the holy word “woke.”

Fran
January 14, 2023 10:49 am

Poor ventilation caused by the mania for “tight” houses increases humidity. This is particularly problematic in houses with inadequate vapour barriers when retrofitted with new sealing windows and doors. Mould and increased levels of mites indoors are the inevitable result.

The worst houses for air quality are those where the foundation is not properly drained and sealed. Next to that, my gas stove is less than trivial.

Fran
Reply to  Fran
January 14, 2023 12:49 pm

In regard to drainage: The 60 y/o house we bought a few years ago had water flowing over and through the basement back wall. We started digging to install a French drain. We found the pipe to the septic tank was U-shaped and broken in the middle. We soon hit drain rock. Underneath was a plastic sheet laid OVER home made tiles, some of rolled up asphalt roofing. The tiles were virginal under their plastic protection.

We should have bulldozed the whole mess, because under the stucco all except for a section of 12 studs were rotted out. But, having fixed the back wall and installed drainage, we proceeded to prop, knock out and replace all the rest of the walls. Never buy a stucco house.

Drake
Reply to  Fran
January 14, 2023 2:42 pm

If you keep the water out of a wood framed house, it will last forever, stucco or not.

That is why they covered bridges. The cost of the roof and walls, and maintenance, was cheaper than replacing the trusses due to rot.

bobpjones
January 14, 2023 10:59 am

These crass idiots, need to be reminded of that very old saying, “don’t put all your eggs in one basket”.

If we only have electricity for all our needs, especially heating, when we have a very cold spell, where the ruinables have switched off for a week or two, what will people use as an alternative?

I think these idiots, should be forced to live in their “green, eco-friendly” environment for at least ten years, experiencing all the drawbacks of their stupid decisions, before forcing their “ideals” on the rest of society.

MarkW
Reply to  bobpjones
January 14, 2023 2:26 pm

Another issue with using electricity for heat, once the outside temperature gets below 40 to 50F, heat pumps stop working. After that point you are relying on resistive heat, the least effective and most expensive form of heating ever invented.
In the US, there are significant portions of the country where outside temperatures are at 40 and below for months at a time.

Not only that, but as temperatures drop from 70 to 40F, the operating efficiency of that heat pump is dropping. It has to work harder and harder to produce the same amount of heat, even as you need more heat in order to compensate for what is being lost through the walls.

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mleskovarsocalrrcom
January 14, 2023 11:53 am

Slowly but surely the activists are making life miserable for the average citizen. All the “ban ICE vehicles” by 20XX proclamations will never be realized for obvious reasons. Energy security is inversely proportional to renewable installations and electricity costs are directly proportional. People notice those type of things, especially when you live paycheck to paycheck.

Rod Evans
January 14, 2023 11:54 am

As each day of the new year dawns so does an ever more ridiculous and urgent demand from the Climate Alarmists for everyone to abandon/condemn energy options that actually work. They demand we adopt options that are too expensive and too unreliable to replace our trusted least cost established option that we chose.
We hear crazy policies being advanced along the lines of putting a limit on our CO2 producing activities The slight of hand will be for those who use electricity there will be a zero CO2 count for that but those using gas will be burning through their three tons of CO2 allowance every time they coo supper or warm the house.
We may be approaching peak Climate Alarm lunacy so expect some major push back before the year is out.
The constant demand for Net Zero policies here in the UK is already being hammered by realists as unobtainable, if we intend to remain a civilised society with a working economy.
Next year there will be a general election here and the current political class are seen for the hopeless incompetents they are. The upcoming new political party polling around 8% is making it very clear Net Zero is a pipe dream that must be reversed.
It will be interesting to see how our current PM justifies closing down our domestic gas production while encouraging the import of ever more gas to meet our basic energy needs.

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AndyHce
Reply to  Rod Evans
January 14, 2023 6:13 pm

Consider this quote from the article:

The lead author of the paper used to argue for a gas stove ban is affiliated with the Rocky Mountain Institute, headed by Amory Lovins—an anti-energy “energy expert” who has said: “It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy”.

CO2 is just a handy excuse, not the real goal. In that light it is possible to make a little more sense out of the West’s adamant desire for suicide.

Pat from Kerbob
January 14, 2023 12:20 pm

I am a houseplant person
Ever since I switched to a gas stove my plants are happier with increased co2 which they convert to more plant, and o2 for us.

I find the interior of our house more pleasant especially in winter.
Increases humidity as well

Ron Long
January 14, 2023 12:20 pm

Alexandria Occasional Cortex has this all figured out, ban gas stoves, but not hers. Like a lot of comments here, it’s about control and power (political power, not any useful kind).

Rud Istvan
January 14, 2023 12:31 pm

At first I was not going to comment, as the CPSC itself said this was a tempest in a teapot. But then I did some research. The UK has already banned gas furnaces in new construction from 2025. Hochul in NY wants legislation banning gas appliances of all types in new construction by 2030, ‘strengthening an absurd 2021 NY law already on the books for 2035.
So it is NOT a tempest in a teapot. It’s real nonsense.

davidmhoffer
Reply to  Rud Istvan
January 14, 2023 12:51 pm

They’re banning the new pipelines that would carry gas to those new homes as well, so new home builders may have no choice.

I bought a house once that was 1/3 heated by electricty and had an electric water heater in Winnipeg, a well known winter city. I got a $1500 bill for electricity for January…. The mods to ducting and replacing the hot water heater were about 6 months ROI. The cost in winter climates to go all electric are huge, and the cost of electricity, per Obama, must necessarily sky rocket.

AndyHce
Reply to  Rud Istvan
January 14, 2023 6:16 pm

It’s real nonsense.

It is as much nonsense as is Real IDs and applying social credit scores to all the serfs.

Steve Case
January 14, 2023 12:37 pm

The goal from the hard core left is the destruction of capitalism. It has always been thus.

Drake
Reply to  Steve Case
January 14, 2023 2:45 pm

Sorry, you are wrong.

They are all for crony capitalism.

What they don’t want is FREE ENTERPRISE.

nwblacksmith
January 14, 2023 12:40 pm

There is an excellent discussion of the Gruenwald et al., 2022 paper at A Chemist in Langley

https://achemistinlangley.net/2023/01/12/are-gas-stoves-really-responsible-for-12-7-of-current-childhood-asthma-cases-in-the-us/

The statistical tool (PAF) the authors used is not commonly used for the specific reason that it does not work in cases where there multiple confounding variables. Multiple causes.

Asthma has at least seven cofounding variables.

The post is really well-written and very understandable to the scientifically interested layman (me). The study and its methodologies were flawed from the start – designed to produce one outcome.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  nwblacksmith
January 14, 2023 1:33 pm

achemistinlangley, Blair King, Ph.D, generally sardonically shreds the rationally incompetent….especially ones with Ph.D’s that are playing in the minor leagues.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  nwblacksmith
January 14, 2023 2:26 pm

Key point from citation :

“The ISAAC study collected data from 512,7070 students between 1999 and 2004. It has incredible statistical power due to its massive sample size and one of its signature conclusions was:

we detected no evidence of an association between the use of gas as a cooking fuel and either asthma symptoms or asthma diagnosis. “



DMacKenzie
January 14, 2023 1:21 pm
Harry Passfield
January 14, 2023 1:51 pm

Please…this is a feint by the left. It’s a diversionary tactic. Think about it. There are too many homes with gas hobs (whatever) for the authorities (now, there’s a word) to police, so, other than taking down down the entire gas network, how will it work?
The left needs a breathing space because they are being challenged and found lacking (AKA: lying.) Announcing the ban on gas hobs allows them to regroup while the sceptics argue the toss.

HotScot
Reply to  Harry Passfield
January 14, 2023 2:44 pm

Bait and switch.

We have been overtly manipulated by western governments for decades now, using the MSM as cover.

Whilst there are innumerable examples before, it began being obvious to some (most of us here) when climate change converted from a discussion on the science to political action.

Then Brexit got underway. No one really noticed there was a subversive, tactical, government undercurrent at that time though, but propaganda and media manipulation were honed during climate change and governments got better at it and used it less clumsily.

Hot on Brexit’s heels was the Trump triumph, when the tactics were remarkably similar and really began to gather steam. The subversive tactics got more sophisticated and relentless.

Then covid rolled up and it was the perfect opportunity to flex the propaganda machine to see just how effective it could really be. And it functioned beyond our collective governments wildest dreams.

Then Ukraine popped up, and despite the deep state losing to Trump on the subject of Russia, they continued to peddle an ever developing narrative, and it’s been hugely successful.

How right or wrong that Ukraine narrative is, is inconsequential. The fact is, western government and media propaganda is more successful in the west now than it ever was in the USSR. Communist Russians knew their governments were lying to them, most of the west today is wandering around in obedient, slack jawed compliance.

The concept of Russian propaganda is being used as a smokescreen for our own government’s propaganda.

The strategy is rolling on, gathering knowledge, experience and authority. Learning from its mistakes, and repeating itself endlessly until the west is in thrall to its master political race.

If you believe climate change is a hoax, why would you believe Brexit, Trump, covid and/or Ukraine are otherwise? The tactics are precisely the same.

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Reply to  HotScot
January 15, 2023 12:26 am

Which leaves us clinging to the hope that reality will elbow the propaganda out of the way in time. Russia crushes Ukraine, the world rapidly cools, The EU self combusts etc. Unfortunately many on here do not have a surplus of time and so may not join the march into rationality.

Christopher Simpson
January 14, 2023 2:44 pm
  • “There are many decisions that families make that affect kids’ health far more than a gas vs. electric stove: what kinds of food kids eat, how much exercise they get, and how much money parents allocate to health vs. other expenses.
  • Do governments then get to dictate all these?”

Not completely yet — but it’s getting there.

lyn roberts
January 14, 2023 6:27 pm

Asthma and gas usage rates. Take a look at the New Zealand situation, among the highest Asthma rates in the world. How do they heat homes and cook, NZ is lucky or they had some foward thinking in the past, huge numbers of hydro electricity generators. Some of the most amazing engineering feats. Take a look at Manapouri power plant inside a mountain in Fiordland near bottom of South Island. Or consider the dams with electricity generating stations on the Waikato River, the lakes are all available to the public for watersking, swimming, fishing, etc.

vboring
January 14, 2023 7:22 pm

The diagnosis of asthma has changed over time. It is diagnosed more now. You can tell any doctor that you have trouble breathing when you exercise and they will give you a diagnosis and a prescription for Albuterol.

Pollution and especially indoor air pollution could cause all sorts of things. Figuring out what is real based on public health data is not going to happen, no matter how good you are at statistics.

I prefer induction cooktops because they are better in every way than gas. I don’t care how you cook. The government obviously shouldn’t get a vote.

Redge
January 14, 2023 11:28 pm

What percentage of children suffer from asthma in non-gas appliance homes?

The paper authors didn’t make any comparison, just a bold statement that gas is the cause of asthma in kids

Ben Vorlich
January 15, 2023 4:08 am

I mention this every time the subject of Asthma comes up.

When he was under 7 years old my middle son was Asthmatic. He spent several periods of a week or more in hospital. usually involving a few days in ICU. These always happened at the same time of year, May and September. Admission in May was FA Cup Final weekend and September around the 18th/19th.
Something triggered these attacks and it certainly wasn’t gas cookers. I think pollen or fungus spores or some other natural source

Bruce Cobb
January 15, 2023 7:20 am

Gas stoves mean both NG and LPG, used in areas without access to NG, which we live in. A few years ago, when looking to replace our gas stove, we considered “dual-fuel” stoves, which use gas for the cooktop, and electric for the oven. Not only do those stoves cost more twice as much, but there is the additional cost of hiring an electrician to install the receptacle and wiring needed. Nope. Went with all gas. And electric rates have skyrocketed to $.22/kwh, so we dodged a bullet there. And as for induction stovetops, while those sound intriguing, your cookware has to be magnetic. Throw out perfectly good cookware? I don’t think so.

Lee Riffee
January 15, 2023 8:02 am

What about people who smoke? I grew up in a home with an electric stove (paradoxically it had gas heat and a gas water heater; guess the builder didn’t want to spend the $$$ to run a gas line to the other side of the house where the kitchen was located) and my parents smoked. I didn’t have asthma but I did suffer from a bad case of tonsillitis that turned into pneumonia. I have no doubts my childhood home had far more indoor air pollution (from cigarette smoke) than any home with a gas stove.
Luckily my mom stopped smoking when I was 10, and she banished my dad to the outdoors where he continued to smoke for the rest of his (unnaturally short) life.

Gunga Din
January 15, 2023 1:06 pm

I was a bit surprised to see that Lib states like NY and CA, after all these years of demonizing fossil fuels, still mostly use fossil fuels to directly cook their food.

Piteo
January 15, 2023 4:12 pm

Burning natural gas does indeed cause some fine dust. However, it is very small compared to the fine dust that is created by just cooking, baking, and (deep)frying. Some research in the Netherlands has shown that baking/cooking creates 10 times more fine dust.

Should our governments be restricting cooking at home and have us all eat raw food or do take-out every evening?

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