WSJ: US Emissions Cuts Will be “Swamped” by Indian and Chinese Growth

Essay by Eric Worrall

h/t M; China’s new coal capacity since Chinese Premier Xi Jinping signed the Paris Agreement almost matches the USA’s total coal capacity.

China’s Coal Power Boom

Beijing is building more coal-fired capacity than the rest of the world combined, U.S. climate lectures notwithstanding.

By The Editorial Board
Sept. 12, 2022 6:26 pm ET

An unspoken truth of the climate-change crusade is this: Anything the U.S. does to reduce emissions won’t matter much to global temperatures. U.S. cuts will be swamped by the increases in India, Africa and especially China. Look no further than China’s boom in new coal-fired electricity.

S&P Global Commodity Insights recently estimated that China is planning or building coal-fired power plants with a total capacity of at least 100 gigawatts. Those are merely the projects whose development status is confirmed, so the real number is almost certainly higher. Total U.S. power capacity is some 1,147 gigawatts. One gigawatt is enough energy to power as many as 770,000 homes.

Since China signed the Paris pact, its coal-fired power capacity has increased by some 185 gigawatts, S&P Global Commodity Insights estimated earlier this summer. The U.S. has decreased its coal capacity by about 80 gigawatts since late 2015. The U.S. Energy Information Administration reported in January that U.S. operational coal capacity was 209.6 gigawatts.

Read more (paywalled): https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-coal-power-boom-beijing-xi-jinping-climate-energy-biden-administration-11650480857

China has more industrial capacity than the United States. It is only a matter of time until this advantage becomes a major geopolitical issue.

China is attempting to convert that industrial capacity advantage into military superiority, with admittedly mixed results – but they won’t stay incompetent in the military sphere forever.

For now, the USA still has a chance to play industrial capacity catchup, by pursuing Trump like energy and economic policies. But that opportunity is rapidly slipping away.

This failure to keep up will eventually have real consequences. For example, China is currently staying out of the Ukraine conflict. But what if they decide to get more involved? China’s immense industrial capacity could be used to provide a level of supply to Russian forces, and any Chinese “volunteers” who travel to the front lines, that the USA and Western powers would struggle to match. The Chinese learn fast – any battlefield technology gap would rapidly close, if China committed to helping Russia win. Even worse, the US military is dependent on Chinese components. It is possible if China stopped supplies, there would be a period of months, if not years, during which the USA would find it difficult to respond to a Chinese escalation, once current military stocks were exhausted.

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michel
September 23, 2022 6:18 am

“We should not get caught up in a bourgeois environmental debate driven by the bourgeois environmental lobby …The debate on the left needs to seriously talk about climate change, but it needs to be focused on jobs. And the renewables industry, and many of those who espouse it in politics, have no interest in jobs for working class communities. And we should stop pretending that we’re in an alliance with them. The big winners from renewables have been the wealthy and big corporate interests. Invariably the only jobs that are created when wind farms get put up, particularly onshore wind, have been jobs in public relations and jobs for lawyers.”

Gary Smith, General Secretary of the GMBH union in the UK. Quoted from the New Statesman by Paul Homewood.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/govt-lifts-fracking-ban-ed-miliband-throws-a-wobbly/#more-58705

These are perhaps some green shoots of hope. The WSJ is starting to get real about this stuff. And these are strong words from a UK union boss. Going to be an interesting Labour Party Conference in a few weeks time! Once again the split between the southern urban professional leadership, and its main financiers and former faithful voters, may come out in the open.

Scissor
Reply to  michel
September 23, 2022 7:10 am

Hopefully, they come to the realization that all governments are incompetent, some are just willing to murder to cover it up.

IanE
Reply to  Scissor
September 23, 2022 11:15 am

“Some”?

HotScot
Reply to  michel
September 23, 2022 10:37 am

There are no green shoots of hope from unions.

Personally I think they are a valuable and vital part of a productive community, but not when they are overtly communistic, as they all are.

The only hope we can glean from this is that they are sniffing the air and detecting a shift in the political landscape that will benefit their rabid left agenda.

In the UK at least, I think we can take hope that Liz Truss’s Cabinet is anti-NetZero. She’s also broken with economic and political convention of the last 40 years by promoting logical policies to drag the country out this appalling mire.

For a Conservative, this is very brave as, by its own definition, Conservatism is more inclined to maintaining the status quo rather than rocking the boat.

Whilst Germany was the European, and arguably, the worlds leader in climate policies, the UK under Boris Johnson was the international climate showpiece. As coincidence has it, he’s been shut down just as events overtook him and the sh*t hit the fan.

Now is the time for a bold leader. One to lead a bewildered world out this climate nonsense, and one with international clout.

Liz Truss could be that person but she’s going to need a hide as thick as Donald Trump because she’s about to get attacked by every politician, political actor and corporation in the world invested in the scam.

Richard Page
Reply to  HotScot
September 23, 2022 12:35 pm

Coincidence? Just after the COP26 knees-up? I think the Parliamentary Conservatives had a clear plan that BoJo and Nutnut would be shoved out the door as soon as they could fix it after the copfest debacle. I think what was intended was a return to a more conservative agenda, which was completely scuppered by events. What I think we’re seeing is a more traditional agenda thrown into overdrive by those events and driven by a need to get the job done before the wheels come off completely. I agree with you about Liz Truss, in the main, but disagree that she’s 100% for net zero – I think she’ll play both sides, touting gas as a transitional fuel and nuclear as a more viable green option but keeping many of the green policies in place. I would, however, like very much to be proved wrong on this.

HotScot
Reply to  Richard Page
September 23, 2022 2:18 pm

I don’t entirely disagree with you other than I think Boris was on the crest of a NetZero wave after COP26.

There are innumerable MP’s from his regime, spilling over from May’s regime who were ideologically, as opposed to politically, rabidly pro NetZero.

Had it not been for his rank stupidity and cavalier covid behaviour we would be stuck with him and heading for NetZero oblivion.

The Conservative back benches are not unified behind Truss on this subject. On the contrary, she will have a hell of a time getting environmental policies through parliament.

If Truss get’s the UK through this and wins the next election she will have, in only two years, at least be on a par with Thatcher in terms of achievement.
Maggie only took on the unions, Truss is taking on the world.

BobM
September 23, 2022 6:20 am

At least the Wall Street Journal is reporting with sanity, unlike most of the rest of the large MSM news organizations. Perhaps the WSJ is not infiltrated with Chinese agents yet? Certainly the ABC, NBC, CBS, Bloomberg-types (and the DNC?) are all in on undermining the future of US independence.

HotScot
Reply to  BobM
September 23, 2022 10:43 am

I watch Dan Bongino every night (surprising for a Brit) as he’s a great way of keeping up with what’s going on across the pond.

Almost every night he cites the WSJ with critical comments of the left/climate etc. Frankly, I was shocked when I realised they are at worst, moderately objective.

BobM
Reply to  HotScot
September 24, 2022 8:23 am

Bongino is a straight arrow. Ex-NYC cop, then a Secret Service Agent, he knows the ropes and what’s going on in the shadows, and calls it like it is. We enjoy him, too.

M Courtney
September 23, 2022 6:22 am

China is attempting to convert that industrial capacity advantage into military superiority, with admittedly mixed results – but they won’t stay incompetent in the military sphere forever.

This is complacent. It assumes that the USA outclassing China, unit for unit, means the USA has a military advantage.
But China can produce units quicker and more cheaply. They have the industrial strength already.

An example:

  • F-22 Raptor (US) costs $350 million
  • Chengdu J-20 (China) costs $120 million.

The F-22 is the better plane, but is it three times better? Can it shoot down three enemies at once? And if it’s destroyed on the ground can it be replaced as quickly?

China already has a military advantage. However exploiting that would be very detrimental to both sides.
For now…

Scissor
Reply to  M Courtney
September 23, 2022 7:14 am

We could save a lot of money by outsourcing our ammo to China. Don’t think the thought hasn’t crossed Biden’s pitiful mind.

Bryan A
Reply to  Scissor
September 23, 2022 7:47 am

Then our military would be guaranteed to have ammo that doesn’t work

DHR
Reply to  Bryan A
September 23, 2022 9:16 am

Kinda like Schindler’s List without the morality of Schindler.

MarkW
Reply to  M Courtney
September 23, 2022 7:21 am

Your quote says that China is currently having trouble with their military, but they won’t have these problems forever.

You counter by saying that this is being complacent and China will eventually get better.

How is your counter any different than what you quoted?

markl
Reply to  M Courtney
September 23, 2022 7:24 am

” Can it shoot down three enemies at once?” Yes.

MarkW
Reply to  markl
September 23, 2022 10:41 am

Beyond that, it doesn’t need to be able to target multiple targets at the same time.
So long as it can get off three shots before the enemy can get a lock on it, the effect will be the same.

Richard Page
Reply to  MarkW
September 23, 2022 12:47 pm

If it is still viable. Technology moves quickly in aircraft design and relying on tech from a quarter of a century earlier may not be the best way to go, especially when your opponents have used the last 25 years to develop parallax radar systems designed to defeat the stealth capabilities. Without the stealth the F-22 is a clumsy bird and would be useless in frontline service. I certainly wouldn’t place my trust in a 25 year old untested (in combat) aircraft up against aircraft with newer technology.

Redge
September 23, 2022 6:24 am

US Emissions Cuts Will be “Swamped” by Indian and Chinese Growth

If only emission cuts mattered

Doonman
Reply to  Redge
September 23, 2022 5:06 pm

So far, ALL emission cuts have resulted in zero effect of CO2 in the atmosphere as measured by Mauna Loa observatory. That’s 40 years of NADA. No one ever claims at what point emission cuts will be measurable, only that we must continue to cut.

That in itself exposes the scam of Net Zero.

fretslider
September 23, 2022 6:33 am

“US Emissions Cuts Will be “Swamped” by Indian and Chinese Growth”

And as the stay at home empire vanishes beneath the waves of global relevance you can comfort yourself that you did your bit to save the planet.

RickWill
September 23, 2022 6:47 am

China now has nuclear lower cost than flue gas scrubbed coal. Given the desire for clean air, unscrubbed coal is no longer acceptable.

China will get even better at building nuclear. So in the long run, as developed countries give up manufacturing to China, the transition to nuclear in China will be a significant contributor to reducing fossil fuel intensity.

That is not projecting that fossil fuel usage will decline; rather it will have lower acceleration.

In July 2013 the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) set a wholesale power price of CNY 0.43 per kWh (7 US cents/kWh) for all new nuclear power projects, to promote the healthy development of nuclear power and guide investment into the sector. The price is to be kept relatively stable but will be adjusted with technology advances and market factors, though many consider it not high enough to be profitable. It was reported that the price for power from Sanmen might be about 5% higher, but in 2019 it was CNY 0.42/kWh. Haiyang was selling power for CNY 0.414/kWh and Taishan CNY 0.435/kWh in 2019.

Nuclear power is already competitive, and wholesale price to grid has been less than power form coal plants with flue gas desulfurization, though the basic coal-fired cost is put at CNY 0.3/kWh*. In March 2015 a new round of electricity market reform was launched, to prioritize clean power generation, and this allowed nuclear power companies to negotiate prices with customers.

https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/china-nuclear-power.aspx

HotScot
Reply to  RickWill
September 23, 2022 11:01 am

I understand China is building more nuclear than the rest of the world combined. Whilst the narrative is all about their profligate coal burning, that will be gone in 50 years and China will be all nuclear.

By the looks of it, the west will still be transitioning from gas to nuclear in 50 years.

Honestly, the Chinese are laughing at us, and I don’t blame them.

My extension of that is, whilst the west imposed sometimes brutal Colonialism to further it’s national prosperity then abolished/reduced monarchy etc. perhaps China will do much the same with communism.

Will China be the peaceful, civilised, wealthy society in 100 years whilst the west is brutalising, subjugating and torturing it’s population under it’s own form of socialism?

Could Biden spark the decline of America into a one that mimics China right now?

I hope not.

Michael E McHenry
September 23, 2022 6:56 am

This has got to be known by Biden and the democrats. So why the push?

John Hultquist
Reply to  Michael E McHenry
September 23, 2022 7:08 am

Because they (Democrats) are trying to take control of the economy, reduce freedoms, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Scissor
Reply to  John Hultquist
September 23, 2022 7:17 am

To **** humanity.

MarkW
Reply to  Michael E McHenry
September 23, 2022 7:23 am

Obviously, reducing CO2 emissions are not their goal. Something else is.

By their own words, they have told us that the primary goal is replacing capitalism with one world government socialism/communism.

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  MarkW
September 23, 2022 8:04 am

IPCC clear about this for many years

https://variable-variability.blogspot.com/2017/08/ottmar-edenhofer-climate-politics-redistribution-wealth.html

First of all, we as industrialized countries have quasi expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must explicitly say: We de facto redistribute the world’s wealth due to climate politics. That the owners of coal and oil are not enthusiastic about this is obvious. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate politics is environmental politics. This has almost nothing to do any more with environmental politics, [as is was with] with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.”

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Matt Kiro
Reply to  Michael E McHenry
September 23, 2022 7:37 am

Because they are being paid by the Chinese.

Peter W
Reply to  Michael E McHenry
September 23, 2022 7:47 am

What makes you think they would even read the WSJ, or would believe anything they saw in it?

Michael E McHenry
Reply to  Peter W
September 23, 2022 5:53 pm

You don’t have to read the WSJ its been obvious for a long time

Roger Knights
Reply to  Michael E McHenry
September 23, 2022 9:26 am

In 2000 the Green party split the leftist vote and cost Gore the election. The Dems are determined not to be outflanked on climate alarmism again.

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Steve Case
September 23, 2022 7:01 am

Russia, China and India are not buying into the bullshit. The West is busy shooting itself in the foot. This is not a game plan that is going to benefit my grand children.

Joel
Reply to  Steve Case
September 24, 2022 8:19 am

In the foot? I think you’re mean in the head.

Marty
September 23, 2022 7:07 am

“U.S. emissions cuts will be swamped by the increases in India, Africa, and especially China.”

If so much money weren’t being wasted in the West in pursuit of cutting emissions this would actually be funny. Environmentalists must be just about the stupidest people on the planet. If you can’t con an environmentalist you aren’t even trying.

markl
September 23, 2022 7:27 am

People are starting to wake up to the scam. Simple accounting gives the answer.

Steve Case
Reply to  markl
September 23, 2022 7:50 am

People are starting to wake up to the scam.
____________________________________

Past tense of wake is [ ______ ] I thought I’d just throw that in for fun. But who besides those who frequent WUWT and a few other blogs are changing their minds and waking up? I’m not really seeing it. I sure don’t see it on the nightly news. Of course I walk out on the nightly news so maybe I’m missing it.

Jeremy Poynton
September 23, 2022 7:59 am

FoI request by me to the UK BEIS
Skip to content

 23 September 2022

Dear Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy,

Given that India, China and Africa are all planning to build multiple coal power stations, please let me know how many degrees Centigrade NetZero will reduce in global temperature, and the cost to taxpayer for each degree of reduction.

Yours faithfully,

Jeremy Poynton

Stephen Lindsay-Yule
September 23, 2022 9:04 am

Anything the U.S. does to reduce emissions won’t matter much to global temperature. Nor what any other country does matters neither. Global temperature showed up close to equal to what we receive from the sun on day of the autumn equinox.
And not 22 watts (5.5w-m²x4) 1°C warmer.

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Frank S.
September 23, 2022 10:00 am

After intense scientific research to answer the question, “Will further reductions in US greenhouse gas emissions be overwhelmed by increased emissions from China and India?” The precise answer is, “DUH”.

HotScot
September 23, 2022 10:09 am

Events in Ukraine are likely to be wrapped up by spring/summer 2023.

A referendum is going on in Eastern Ukraine right now. It’s a foregone conclusion, Donbas etc. will become Russia, and Russia will have the right to defend it’s border without restriction.

To that end, 300,000 trained reservist’s are being shipped in to support the Special Military Operation which will escalate into a full scale war. The SMO began with around 160,000 Russian troops.

Ukraine has lost around 250,000 troops, they have no reserves other than civilians.

NATO has exhausted its reserve armaments. Without compromising our own defence it just can’t devote any more to the region. Bearing in mind Biden abandoned $80Bn of equipment in Afghanistan. That stuff doesn’t grow on trees.

To date, Russia has concentrated on fighting a military battle. They have largely left infrastructure untouched. That will come to an end and supply lines from the west will likely be targeted first.

Sadly, Ukrainians will freeze to death in their foxholes this winter with no weapons, little food and water, and sub standard clothing.

China won’t be needed and is probably even less interested.

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
September 23, 2022 10:49 am

It’s far from a foregone conclusion that Donbas etc are lost. Ukrainian forces are already pushing into them. If Russia doesn’t manage to find soldiers who are willing to fight, and weapons to arm them with, there is no quarantee that they will even keep Crimea.

I find it fascinating that you are so determined that Russia be allowed to defend it’s territory, however you defend Russia invading it’s neighbors.

Ukraine has lost 250,000 troops, too high by well over an order of magnitude.

Russia hasn’t been attacking infrastructure? Are you watching the same war that I’ve been watching?

As to exhausting reserves, Russia has been reduced to buying supplies from N. Korea and Iran.

Richard Page
Reply to  MarkW
September 23, 2022 1:04 pm

I, too, think the 250,000 casualty figures are too high, but not by much, certainly not as much as you think. Ukraine pulled a blinder by telegraphing their push around Kherson then taking advantage of Russia stripping the northern area of troops by pushing there as well. The Kherson push bogged down quickly and the northern push looks to have run out of steam as well. Ukraine needs to find a source of new troops as well as weapons and ammunition or their front will crumble; they are not in a strong position right now and deluding yourself that Ukraine is on the verge of retaking Luhansk before they reach it isn’t helping. Unless a miracle occurs I think Ukraine will lose the gains they’ve made and more in the next few weeks. As to the unconfirmed reports about Russia buying ammunition from Iran and North Korea, there have been similar unconfirmed reports from Russia, Iran and North Korea denying any such thing so colour me unconvinced either way on that one.

HotScot
Reply to  MarkW
September 23, 2022 2:34 pm

Russia is expending around 50,000 artillery rounds per day. The Marines in Iraq expended that over the whole campaign.

Russia has been preparing for this conflict for years.

I’m not interested in whether or not Russia defends any territory, don’t make the mistake that I’m in any way personal about this, I’m just facing reality after a great deal of research.

Ukraine has lost 250,000 troops, too high by well over an order of magnitude.

That’s from a population of 40M or so. The UK has 70m population and 80M troops. Russia might have lost 80,000 or so of their 160,000 Special Military Operation group, which was supporting the highly battle trained local militia of eastern Ukraine, but they just whistle up 300,000 reservist’s to fight.

I’m not sure how to quantify that in American terms but in the UK we have the military reserve. They are well trained, part time, paid volunteers who are itching for a fight. You have them in the US as well I suspect.

Ukraine is down to civilians now. They have no idea what they are doing when they put on a uniform but, more to the point, Russia is going to overwhelm them.

This isn’t conjecture, the referendum is happening, 300,000 fresh Russian troops are being moved in and NATO has exhausted it’s hardware reserves.

There is only one direction of travel here.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  HotScot
September 23, 2022 5:51 pm

The referendum is a fraud.

Bringing in 300,000 new troops may not make as much of a difference as you think. I hear a lot of military-age men are currently fleeing Russia. I’m not sure how enthusiastic the new Russian troops are going to be when they hit the front lines. You know, success in war has a lot to do with human psychology. Numbers can’t always make up the difference.

And you have anti-Putin/war protests breaking out in Russia now. And that seems like to me to be a pretty big deal because Putin is very hard on protestors, yet here they are protesting. They must be pretty upset about the way things are going in Russia.

I don’t think the situation is as pat and straightforward as you think it is.

HotScot
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 24, 2022 2:07 pm

The referendum may well be a fraud, but look what happened at the 2020 US election.

The 300,000 troops are reservist’s, they are volunteers, not conscripts. They are largely being deployed to relieve regular, employed, trained, full time soldiers who signed up to fight, currently deployed elsewhere in Russia to free them up to fight in Ukraine.

The reserves deployed to Ukraine will largely be in a support role to the main body of Russian troops and the eastern Ukrainian militia.

As for young men fleeing Russia, sure, I imagine there are some but why would young men there be any less patriotic to Russia than, say, young American or British men are to their respective countries?

The fact is, Ukraine has lost about 250,000 troops to death or injury. This is a widely reported figure other than in western MSM.

It’s estimated Russia has lost around 80,000 of it’s original 160,000 deployment, significant but they clearly have a 3:1 advantage.

Now there will be 380,000 Russian troops, perhaps half of that regulars, and of those 80,000 are battle hardened.

This does not include the eastern Ukrainian militia, battle hardened for 8 years since 2014 when this all began.

There is now a force of, approaching, 500,000 Russian troops in Ukraine, and Zelensky has nowhere to turn for extra troops other than civilians.

You mentioned the importance of human psychology in a theatre of war. Just how positive do you think Zelensky’s troops feel now they know there is a force nearly three times the original number being deployed against them?

They are being denied German, British and American battle tanks because they are too heavy for the terrain and so sophisticated they take months of training to operate them.

NATO allies have largely exhausted their reserves of armaments, before compromising their own battle readiness, and grand gestures of sending more and more money are futile. Where does Zelensky’s army buy armaments from? Biden just left $80Bn of equipment in Afghanistan. This stuff doesn’t grow on trees.

This is a western military and geopolitical disaster. Russia is about to humiliate the west and there’s only one way to stop it; the west must call for a ceasefire and get round a table with Russia – assuming it’s not too late as Russia may just perceive that as stalling to enable the manufacture of arms and regrouping/training of Ukrainian troops, or the west faces a humiliating battlefield defeat which will cost tens of thousands of lives.

Russia was prepared to negotiate some months ago but during a visit to Ukraine by Boris Johnson, doubtless under instruction from Biden, he persuaded Zelensky to decline the invitation and fight. That was a monumental blunder cooked up between three men entirely unsuited to leadership of a scout troop far less three countries.

The best outcome right now would be the unconditional surrender of Ukraine which, I suspect, will see Zelensky deposed to flee to one of his multi million dollar hideouts in Switzerland or elsewhere.

If not, the whole affair will be over by spring, early summer at the very latest and the blood of innumerable Ukrainians will be on the hands of those three buffoons.

Be in no doubt, this war was lost long ago.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  HotScot
September 25, 2022 3:45 am

“As for young men fleeing Russia, sure, I imagine there are some but why would young men there be any less patriotic to Russia than, say, young American or British men are to their respective countries?”

I heard one young Russian man who had arrived in Finland say he wasn’t afraid to fight, he just didn’t like the situation going on in Ukraine. Apparently, he doesn’t want to be part of Putin’s ego trip.

I saw a lot of crying Russian women seeing their middle-age men off to war. The report said the men might get two weeks of training before they are thrown into the battle line.

How long will Russias leaders put up with Putin’s ego? How long will they wait before they take action to fix the problem within Russia?

We’ll see. Not many people thought the Ukrainians would last a couple of weeks against the Russians, but those people were wrong. There were several factors they didn’t take into account.

Putin is bleeding his country dry and for what? Now he threatens nuclear war as his big plans fail day after day.

Putin would be in even worse shape if Biden and Europe would lift restrictions on the weapons they are supplying to Ukraine.

It has become apparent that Russians are not ten feet tall. That’s not a good look to give the world. The Chicoms might think it is getting close to the time where they can take over some Russian territory, seeing how weak and ineffective the Russian military really is. And some of the best Russian troops are already buried in the ground.

Putin has made a big mistake.

HotScot
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 25, 2022 7:18 am

That young man was probably only one of a very few. And of course the MSM will find mothers crying over the prospect of their sone or husbands going to war, that happens in the west as well.

The reserves they are calling up are all combat veterans, or at least former military personnel. They only require a couple of weeks refresher courses to get familiar with updated weaponry and tactics.

This has nothing to do with “Putin’s ego” he is part of an elected government, however flawed, but look again at the current US government.

Having been in battle since 2014 the Ukrainians are considered amongst the best fighting force in the world by informed commentators. Seizing eastern Ukraine was never going to be easy and anyone who thought it was is deluded.

Russia is being bled dry by no one, least of all Putin. The country’s oil and gas is being snapped up by China and other Asian nations. The country is emerging from recession as new markets for their goods are being found. Meanwhile, the west is facing a deep, long recession with an energy crisis.

My contention remains this conflict will be over before summer and the west will suffer for its arrogance.

IanE
Reply to  HotScot
September 23, 2022 11:17 am

“Sadly, Ukrainians will freeze to death in their foxholes this winter” – so, much like the fate of many to come in the UK then!

HotScot
Reply to  IanE
September 23, 2022 2:35 pm

Sadly, yes.

Olen
September 23, 2022 3:09 pm

Should anyone be surprised by what can be accomplished with a few corrupt US politicians on the take! Probably tax free.

otropogo
September 23, 2022 8:10 pm

It’s not about saving the planet, civilization, or even the human race, any more than the ‘pandemic’ was.

It’s all about bringing Western individualism to heel, making us join the ranks of marching morons. China, India and Russia’s masses are already prepped to march off the cliff when ordered.

Climate change is our ‘Special Operation’, and Covid was just a little test run .

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