Australian Academy of Science Demands Dissent be Silenced

Essay by Eric Worrall

h/t JoNova, Quadrant; In a submission to the Australian Government, the AAS has demanded “disinformation” about climate change, the great barrier reef, and Covid vaccines be censored from broadcast news and the internet.

SUBMISSION TO AUSTRALIAN CODE OF PRACTICE ON MISINFORMATION AND DISINFORMATION (ACPDM) – 2022 REVIEW

3 August 2022

The Australian Academy of Technology and Engineering (ATSE) and the Australian Academy of Science (AAS) welcome the opportunity to respond to the Digital Industry Group Inc (DIGI)’s first annual review of the Australian Code of Practice on Disinformation and Misinformation (ACPDM). The Academies look forward to working with social media platforms to address the challenge of misinformation and disinformation on social media platforms. In order to strengthen the Code’s capacity to guard against disinformation, the Academies put forward the following recommendations to DIGI:

Recommendation 1: Clearly define issues-based advertising and consider it within the scope of the Code.
Recommendation 2: Include misinformation from professional news content within the scope of the Code.

Recommendation 3: Platforms should consider mechanisms for proactive promotion of trusted information to inoculate against misinformation.
Recommendation 4: Expand the definition of “harm” in the Code to include cumulative harms and take stronger action against disinformation accordingly.

Recommendation 5: Apply an opt-out approach to the optional commitments under the Code.

Preventing science disinformation

Anti-scientific content abounds online, with climate science being an area of particular concern.

Climate denialism is just one example of how misinformation results in societal harm. Disinformation on health matters (such as false and misleading vaccination, sexual and reproductive health information), or ecological and environmental matters (such as material misrepresenting studies of coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef) are a barrier to good policy and a healthy society. Even prior to the COVID-19 pandemic there were clear links between climate denialism and anti-vaccine movements (Hamilton, Hartter & Saito, 2015). The Code must therefore consider broader instances of misinformation and disinformation, including in issues-based advertising in all areas, especially climate change.

The updated Code must be strengthened to reduce the potential for misinformation to propagate and cause societal harm. In particular, the inclusion of issues-based advertising and professional news should be resolved to limit those as avenues of misinformation. However, DIGI’s discussion paper recommends excluding issues-based advertising from the Code (DIGI, 2022). Problematically, such advertising can be a revenue source for platforms, disincentivising its inclusion in the Code.

Recommendation 1: Clearly define issues-based advertising and consider it within the scope of the Code.

The Code currently excludes professional news content that is published under a publicly available editorial code, except where a platform determines that specific instances fall within the scope of disinformation. However, some Australian news outlets are havens for climate science misinformation (Lowe, 2018) – so this exclusion undermines the ability of the Code to guard against such denialism.

This exclusion allows climate science denialism and other misinformation to flourish, either through lack of enforcement of the disinformation provision of the Code or failure of news outlets’ misinformation to meet the higher bar of being considered disinformation. For example, a UK report recently found that Sky News Australia and its media personalities are a key source of climate science misinformation globally, including during the late 2021 United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP26) (King, Janulewicz & Arcostanzo, 2022). Clearly, the Code was not sufficient to address the traction of climate misinformation from Sky News Australia during this time.

Appropriate oversight of social media as publishers

The Academies consider that platforms should be held accountable and liable for content spread on their platforms, and that regulation on this should be comparable to that of traditional media. This position is suggested by the 2019 Australian court ruling that news outlets are liable for defamatory comments made on their posts by Facebook users.

Read more: Australian Academy of Science Submission (PDF)

In my opinion this is no less than a charter for halting the advance of science.

I’m not disputing that a lot of online content is nonsense, but some of the most stunning breakthroughs of the last century have been made by people mainstream scientists initially dismissed as crackpots.

Breakthroughs like Einstein’s theories of Relativity, Barry Marshall, who when all else failed proved peptic ulcers are caused by bacteria by deliberately infecting himself, or Alfred Wegener, who struggled to convince scientists of his theory of continental drift. And looking further back, everyone knows the story of Galileo, and his struggle with official censorship.

Imagine if the Aussie government had given a body like the AAS a gatekeeper charter 50 years ago, the power to decide who can be heard. Scientists like Barry Marshall, whose medical insight saved millions of people from untold suffering, might still be languishing in obscurity. Criminal sanctions could have applied to anyone who attempted to publish his work.

In any case, the AAS is in no position to claim the mantle of gatekeeper. Their inclusion of criticism of Great Barrier Reef science in their censorship proposal is particularly outrageous.

Remember how a few years ago, we were told the Great Barrier Reef was doomed?

Imagine not being able to criticise the alarmist statements of AAS affiliated scientists, like water quality expert Jon Brodie, who told the Guardian in 2017 that the reef was “terminal”. Or ARC Centre for Coral Excellence Director Terry Hughes, who told us in 2021 that “The bleaching is caused by record-breaking temperatures driven by global warming,”. Or Coral Centre scientist James Kerry, who told us “It takes at least a decade for a full recovery of even the fastest growing corals, so mass bleaching events 12 months apart offers zero prospect of recovery for reefs that were damaged in 2016,”.

Scientists like Peter Ridd might be censored, he could be prevented from publishing evidence the Great Barrier Reef is doing fine.

Last year the Great Barrier Reef bounced back, with record coral cover. Claims over the years that coral bleaching is anything other than a natural part of the coral cycle have now been thoroughly debunked.

And of course, the shutdown of Sky News, explicitly mentioned in the AAS proposal, the shutdown of skeptic voices like Andrew Bolt and Rita Panahi, Rowan Dean and other top rated media personalities who expose the flaws in establishment narratives, would rob Australians of an important source alternative viewpoints to the alarmism pushed by the likes of AAS affiliated scientists.

There is some good news on the censorship front. Facebook at least might be losing their taste for censorship, they have suffered a series of humiliating public censorship embarrassments.

Facebook recanted their censorship of the Covid lab leak theory in 2021, after Fauci changed his mind about whether the lab leak hypothesis was tenable. Facebook’s latest admission, that Facebook censored the Hunter Biden laptop story before the 2020 election, because the FBI told them to expect Russian disinformation, has really opened people’s eyes to how close we all are to losing the freedoms we take for granted.

To his credit, Mark Zuckerberg could have held onto his information about the FBI until after the Midterms. But there is still a long road to travel, if Zuckerberg wants to fully repair his reputation.

In my opinion this self serving AAS demand for scientific censorship is just another establishment effort to squash dissent and protect establishment narratives from justified criticism, no different to what the FBI allegedly did, or Facebook censoring the lab leak theory, and should be treated with the contempt it deserves.

NOTE – I want to give particular thanks to JoNova for her efforts to dig up this insanity. My “h/t” acknowledgements don’t really express my appreciation for the hard work she puts into exposing alarmism.

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n.n
August 31, 2022 6:08 pm

Political consensus (PC) science.

Mr.
Reply to  n.n
August 31, 2022 8:10 pm

There’s nothing new about righteousness –

When the Inquisition arrived in a city, the first step was the Edict of Grace. Following the Sunday Mass, the Inquisitor would proceed to read the edict; it explained possible heresies and encouraged all the congregation to come to the tribunals of the Inquisition to “relieve their consciences”. They were called Edicts of Grace because all of the self-incriminated who presented themselves within a period of grace (usually ranging from thirty to forty days) were offered the possibility of reconciliation with the Church without severe punishment.[105] The promise of benevolence was effective, and many voluntarily presented themselves to the Inquisition and were often encouraged to denounce others who had also committed offences, informants being the Inquisition’s primary source of information. After about 1500, the Edicts of Grace were replaced by the Edicts of Faith, which left out the grace period and instead encouraged the denunciation of those guilty.[106]
The denunciations were anonymous, and the defendants had no way of knowing the identities of their accusers.[107] This was one of the points most criticized by those who opposed the Inquisition (for example, the Cortes of Castile, in 1518). In practice, false denunciations were frequent. Denunciations were made for a variety of reasons, from genuine concern to rivalries and personal jealousies.

Steve Wood
Reply to  Mr.
August 31, 2022 11:22 pm

Sounds like how Mao controlled China in the 50s through the 70s

MarkW
Reply to  Steve Wood
September 1, 2022 8:16 am

It’s a common practice in all Socialist/Communist states.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  MarkW
September 1, 2022 9:00 am

I keep getting the unhappy impression that Australia is more firmly in the totalitarian grip than other countries in the Commonwealth of Nations. I say unhappy because when I was hitchhiking around Europe in the early 1960s, young Australian travellers I met were wonderfully free-spirited, iconoclastic, disobedient and entertaining in the backdrop of a very staid Europe.

Now, it seems that this modest population leads the world in per capita number of consensus climate scientists and authoritarians who want to censor and even lock up people who ‘oppose’. How did this happen?

No ‘Zuckerbergs’ seem to he recanting their stances in Oz. There doesn’t seem to be a sign that Australia is aware that Europe is abandoning the whole end of world climate meme and heading into baked-in “Policy-Caused” economic ruin, and even famine. Don’t be last to wake up to it all.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 2, 2022 3:17 pm

” Prior to her appointment as Chief Executive of the Australian Academy of Science [ Anna Maria Arabia ] was Principal Advisor to the Hon Bill Shorten ……………She is a passionate advocate for science social justice and gender equity ” Now it makes sense ………………………………………………………………………………………..I don’t recall any “passionate ” condemnation from Anna Maria Arabia when it was learned Bill Shorten as AWU Victorian secretary brokered deals to deprive Chiquita mushroom pickers and Cleanevent workers of their rightful entitlements …..Or on behalf of Kathy Sharriff …..I guess they were on the wrong side of the ” social justice ” and “gender equity ‘ ledger were they Ms. Arabia ?

KcTaz
Reply to  Mr.
September 1, 2022 9:15 pm

While true, it’s important, especially, in this day and age, to remember that such behavior is not limited to the religious. It appears to infect all Mankind and all that has become an ideology at various times, especially, when insanity is in ascendance, or when the controlling groups’ power is slipping. 
It is not a religious problem, it is a Mankind problem which has existed ever since Man established civilizations if not before.
The Specter of Systemic Racism.The Salem Witch Trials teach us much about modern mass hysteria. 

https://bit.ly/3kRsLwK

July 21, 2020

The President said it first, almost a year ago: the assault from the left was a “witch hunt.” He was talking, of course, about the Russian-collusion-impeachment fiasco. But it’s not just the attempted coup that recalls the Salem witch trials to mind. The mass hysteria driven by the radical left—as seen most recently in the Black Lives Matter (BLM) riots following the pandemic lockdown—has more in common with the colonial-era persecutions than may have met the President’s eye.
…In colonial-era Salem, too, as historian Paul Johnson observes, the “breakdown in the rule of law occurred when the entire political frame in New England was in a state of suspension and uncertainty.” The Puritans who founded colonial Massachusetts were, in a sense, victims of their own success. Their spiritual idealism and work ethic fostered prosperity and, as is often the case with the accretion of wealth, a turning away from religion—and rigid Puritan governance. Meanwhile, back in England, the Catholic King James sought to reassert control in the Puritan colony by revoking the original charter that had allowed the colonists to govern themselves independently, initiating a political crisis. The Puritans’ social dominance and power were slipping away, and the leading Puritan preacher, Cotton Mather, suspected the witches and the Devil were behind it all.
A brief look at the rapid sequence of events that took place in Salem reveals other parallels between the two mass hysterias. The total breakdown in the rule of law in Massachusetts began early in 1692 when a few girls started behaving strangely and having fits. Rumors and accusations of witchcraft quickly followed. The movement gained traction following a dubious “confession” forced out of an enslaved woman named Tituba, who admitted to taking the girls to meet the Devil in the middle of the night. In a short time, scholar Andrew Delbanco writes:..

AntonyIndia
Reply to  n.n
August 31, 2022 11:15 pm

I will advice Indian students to avoid to avoid Aussie universities for the time being: not all aweome any more. Religion is cheaper at home.

Orson
Reply to  n.n
September 1, 2022 1:17 am

BETTER YET, this bumper sticker of ridicule— “AAS, Scientists Against Einstein”
Because THAT’S THE TRUTH!

KcTaz
Reply to  Orson
September 1, 2022 9:25 pm

“Blind trust in authority
is the greatest enemy of the truth.”
Albert Einstein

All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship.      
George Bernard Shaw

The greatest obstacle

to discovery

is not ignorance;

it is the illusion

of knowledge.

Daniel J. Boorstin

(1914 – 2004, American historian,

professor, attorney and writer)

Tom Halla
August 31, 2022 6:09 pm

So the Australian Academy of Sciences is going North Korean?

observa
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 31, 2022 6:47 pm

Well first they advise you to fall into line with the Great Leap Forward-
Californians told not to charge EVs as grid struggles in heat wave (msn.com)
before re-education is necessary-
The Koreas at Night (nasa.gov)

Old Man Winter
Reply to  observa
August 31, 2022 10:02 pm

Michael Shellenberger:
“Of California’s 30,398,249 motor vehicles, just 1.9% (563,070)
are electric. Using the state’s own estimates, California will
need 17 GW of additional electricity to power all those electric
cars. Diablo Canyon nuclear plant, which the state has tried to
shut down, is 2.3 GW”

That explains why Gov Newsom switched gears by favoring keeping
Diablo Canyon open before cancelling ICE. That leaves ~15 GW
they’ll need to find someplace else, which means it will end up
being several times that amount for the extra generation needed
just to make it RELIABLE. Storage costs will increase that many
times over, with an annual 10% replacement cost if it’s batteries.

https://www.cfact.org/2022/01/19/unreliability-makes-solar-power-impossibly-expensive/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/01/12/the-cost-of-net-zero-electrification-of-the-u-s-a-blog-post/

BTW, I flew by both Yugoslavia & Albania on a dark evening & they
only had ~10% of the lighting Western cities had for similar sized
towns (NK is obviously much, much worse). Belgium was so well lit
that I could’ve used a Rand McNally to follow the yellow tinted
freeways. What a difference! If only these morons had seen what
I saw. It would have scared the heck out of them!

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Rod Evans
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 1, 2022 6:19 am

Small point of contention Old Man, no form of renewable energy is ‘Reliable’

Tom Abbott
August 31, 2022 6:12 pm

The climate alarmists can’t handle criticism, so they want to ban it. Banning is what authoritarians do.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 1, 2022 8:19 am

In recent speeches Biden has been declaring that Republicans are a threat to democracy.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
September 1, 2022 9:28 am

That is Biden’s way of healing the divide between Republicans and Democrats, as he promised he would do.

TonyG
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
September 1, 2022 9:56 am

Well, Clyde, if there aren’t any Republicans there won’t be a divide, right?

MarkW
Reply to  TonyG
September 2, 2022 10:52 am

But then any Democrat who isn’t sufficiently socialist will become the new enemy.

KcTaz
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
September 1, 2022 9:37 pm

Yeah, calling Republicans Fascists is very healing aka Hitler “healed” his presumed Jewish problem.
I presume you’re not serious (are you?) but I am just quite angry over that old man, best buds of the KKK and a one of the few old-time racists left today, calling me a racist and being so cheap, he charged me and millions of others to slander us.
Sorry, I’m getting beyond sick and tired of his “bringing the nation together” shiite. Biden is bringing our nation together just like Hitler brought 1930s Germany together–in hate.

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Reply to  KcTaz
September 2, 2022 1:09 pm

Biden would easily be the worst president — by far — in the history of the Republic, if he had in fact been elected president.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
September 1, 2022 9:33 am

Some DNC bigwig wants to declare the GOP to be a terrorist organization.

InterestedBystander
Reply to  TonyG
September 1, 2022 11:44 am

The Attorney General.

InterestedBystander
Reply to  MarkW
September 1, 2022 11:43 am

Biden’s going to make a big national speech tonight (Thur. 9/1) where it’s expected he’ll do more name calling against those who disagree with his socialist policies. Republicans have now become Ultra-MAGA white supremacists and domestic terrorists. If someone wanted to start a civil war I don’t know he would do differently. 

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KcTaz
Reply to  MarkW
September 1, 2022 9:31 pm

And, like Biden’s  alleged “non-political” speech today in which he called Trump supporters fascists, we, not the DNC, paid for him to give that speech in which he attacked over half of the people in the USA with US Marines in strange, dark red shadows standing behind him. If Trump had used them as that prop for any speech, the media would have been apoplectic. 

MarkW
Reply to  KcTaz
September 2, 2022 10:56 am

Biden needs an enemy in order to distract the nation from his many failures.
One thing I’ve noticed is that over the last 6 years, the left has gone from loony to dangerous.
It used to be that anyone who opposed them was a racist, now they are all white supremacists.
Over the same period they have gone from talking about defeating us politically, now they are screeching about punishing and destroying those who disagree with them.

Slowroll
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 1, 2022 9:39 am

People who have no facts always need to ban argument . Therefore ban free speech.

Chris Hanley
August 31, 2022 6:26 pm

Imagine not being able to criticise the alarmist statements of AAS affiliated scientists

And of course that “powerful public advocate for science” Tim Flannery :
“There’s only two years’ water supply in Sydney’s Warragamba Dam … If the computer models are right then drought conditions will become permanent in eastern Australia” (SMH: Running out of water and time April 2005).
Greater Sydney total water storage is currently 97.1%.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 31, 2022 9:13 pm

You are surely correct Eric, the 120 year record for Eastern Australia (Qld, NSW, Vic, Tas) shows random variations in annual rainfall totals from 300mm – 1000mm with no standout trend.
It’s only a matter of time assuming the hysteria persists.

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KcTaz
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 1, 2022 9:43 pm

Personally, Eric, looking at the history of Mankind, especially, since we became “civilized,” I wonder how we ever came to be at the top of the Food Chain since we are so obviously STUPID!

LIONS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HUMANS AND ANIMALS*.png
bil
Reply to  Chris Hanley
September 1, 2022 12:22 am

tried the link and its not found. Do you have another?

Chris Hanley
Reply to  bil
September 1, 2022 12:59 am
Brad-DXT
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 31, 2022 10:31 pm

If they keep practicing like that they’ll try out for the Olympics floor routines next.

I’m not up on Australian government systems. Is the Climate Council voted in?
What is this Code of Practice – a law?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Brad-DXT
September 1, 2022 4:37 am

climate councils a thinktank I gather
idiots with an agenda
codes of practice usually are regulations to follow for a biz to set up or somesuch ie earns councils or govvy boffins money for “approvals” usually
even schools now use code of conduct to restrict kids

InterestedBystander
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 1, 2022 11:46 am

I’m sitting here in early September 2022 wondering where all those cat 5 hurricanes are. Wasn’t climate change supposed to make the weather more violent and big storms more frequent?

KcTaz
Reply to  observa
September 1, 2022 9:49 pm

From your link, “People just need to make sure they’re careful on the river, use common sense and be safe.”
Yeah, well that’s not likely in today’s world, is it? People have seemed to have lost all common sense. 
That said, I wish them the best and hope they have a fabulous season.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 31, 2022 8:06 pm

Note the use of the word ‘If’ in Professor Tim’s claim.

If you are ever in need to make a bold public statement ALWAYS have an if, a might, or a could somewhere in your fear mongering.

Allows you to deny everything later with a straight face.

However, see also “The Internet Never Forgets” and “Never lie to the Internet”.

observa
Reply to  Craig from Oz
August 31, 2022 11:54 pm

Note the use of the word ‘If’ in Professor Tim’s claim.

Yep got it so with all the water about clearly the computer models are wrong and thanks for the heads up Tim.

Bob Close
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 31, 2022 8:31 pm

And of course the Sydney storage should be much greater, had the PC councils and NSW government acted appropriately to raise the Waragamba dam wall a decade ago, before the woke pile on related to Aboriginal cultural sites upstream. There is such a concept as the greater good here, Sydney needs a larger water supply and better flood mitigation, one never hears of the AAS in these matters. It appears only climate science is sacred to its management, it’s time they were taken to task along with the alarmist management at CSIRO and the BoM. ‘Their science’ is definitely unsettled by global research and climate observations over the past two decades that have virtually squashed the pro AGW arguments of the IPCC and fellow alarmist collaborators in the ‘Pause’ era.
Lets stop this climate emergency in its tracks, AAS please show us the definitive evidence for any forthcoming dangerous climate, runaway global warming etc, and leave out the foolish models and associated predictions that have no real scientific value, and incidentally have been wrong for the past 40 years. Australian’s desperately need a Royal Commission on climate science to allow a proper analysis of ongoing climate issues and any required mitigation process, that we simply cannot easily adapt to without bankrupting our future.

John
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 31, 2022 8:47 pm

and they are wining saying Sydney dont want any more rain

ATheoK
August 31, 2022 6:27 pm

No dissent, no skepticism means no science!
Making AAS now the Australia Academy of Anti-Science.
Facebook is still deeply involved in censoring posts and Facebook pages.

Edward Katz
August 31, 2022 6:33 pm

Is this a surprise? It’s the old story: If you’re losing the game, take your ball and go home. That’s what we’re seeing from the climate alarmists. They can’t convince people to believe in their exaggerations and distortions or to adopt green (and ineffectual) lifestyles, so the best they can now do is to ban all forms of dissent.

Bill Toland
Reply to  Edward Katz
September 1, 2022 1:38 am

This is actually a sign that sceptics of climate alarmism are winning.

KcTaz
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 1, 2022 9:53 pm

Maybe, Bill. It is possible that when they realize they are losing, they go full Mao, too.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Edward Katz
September 1, 2022 4:53 am

Witness loser Joe Biden and the lunatic left’s new strategy: Call everyone who disagrees with them a Nazi, fascist or the new term, “ultra-MAGA,” making at least 1/2 the country enemies of the state and threats to the republic.

Reminds me of Putin claiming Ukrainians were Nazis to gin up some fervor, only for his troops to discover they were ordinary people going about their lives.

My guess is that this plea allegedly from AAS was actually written by activists who have the ear of the leadership, who they long ago infiltrated. No respectable scientist I know would have signed onto such a pleading.

ih_fan
Reply to  Pflashgordon
September 1, 2022 12:33 pm

First Joe Brandon says that to overthrow the government you’d need F-15s. Later, in the same rambling “speech”, he claims that a few hundred protesters nearly reversed the election results.

So which is it?

MarkW
Reply to  ih_fan
September 2, 2022 11:07 am

You don’t need to have your own F-15s, all you need to do is deny the enemy the ability to use theirs.
It takes a lot to keep an F-15 in the air. You need fuel, spare parts, experts to install those spare parts and well trained pilots.
Eliminate any of those, and the F-15 is grounded.
Eliminate the supply of weapons, and even if it is the air, the pilot is just an observer.

Fuel: blow up pipelines or IEDs to take out fuel trucks. Of course you can also take out the truck drivers.
Mechanics: unless they live on base, they are vulnerable. Even if they do live on base they are still vulnerable, just less so.
Spare parts: You can the delivery vehicles, or you can attack the plants that make the spare parts. Or you can attack the supplies that the plants need to build the spare parts.
Pilots: Relatively invulnerable in the air. Much less so when on the ground.

Then there is the base. There are lots of people and things that are needed to keep a base running and secure.

The idea that all you need is F-15s to keep the people in line, is something that is so stupid that only a politician could come up with it.

Similar logic applies to any of the heavy weaponry used by modern armies.

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Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Pflashgordon
September 3, 2022 11:15 am

The chief executive of the Australian Academy of Sciences is a former Labor advisor

Alan Millar
August 31, 2022 6:43 pm

Indeed .

The alarmists said that warm temperatures would, irreversibly, damage the GBR and therefore, under this, anyone publishing articles or actual data disproving this will be completely censored.

The public have been told what ‘will’ happen and they must continue to be told that. Data is irrelevant, the meme must be ‘reality’.

I wonder what Mosher and Stokes think of this? They are so far gone, they probably approve.

I wonder if even those two, obviously intelligent both, in their private moments, are starting to see that Joseph Goebbels was undoubtedly correct, facts don’t matter, if you can control the message to the masses.

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Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Alan Millar
September 1, 2022 3:47 pm

I know of one important draft paper about the Barrier Reef that has been blocked from publication by peer reviewers, one retired from a national weather agency.
I reviewed some of it informally and found it careful, technically advanced and relevant.
It could produce a new paper detailing what I would call anti-science thuggery by the reviewers.
Who will review the second paper? Geoff S

KcTaz
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
September 1, 2022 9:57 pm

“Who will review the second paper? Geoff S”
Only someone hell-bent on trashing it, or someone who can cope with having his character and career destroyed, I suspect, regretfully.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Alan Millar
September 3, 2022 11:13 am

No appearance from Nick Stokes ……No one is suggesting his silence can be interpreted as consent though

Mike
August 31, 2022 6:47 pm

Anti-scientific content abounds online, with climate science being an area of particular concern.”

Truer words have not been spoken but not in the way they think.
What a contemptible pack of sanctimonious bastards.

Duker
Reply to  Mike
September 1, 2022 2:09 am

Good catch.
Every field of science has differences of opinion, indeed walk down the corridor of any University department and im sure disagreements abound. The certainity they think exists just isn’t there. But of course there’s those that that live and let live with differences in academic opinion , while there’s others who make it their life’s work to crush any voices of dissent to what they have built their career on.

August 31, 2022 6:50 pm

I will tell them what I think.
aas@science.org.au
Chris.Anderson@science.org.au – contact person for the “submission”
This thing is also sponsored by Australian Academy of Technology and Engineering (ATSE) 
info@atse.org.au
Peter.Derbyshire@atse.org.au – contact person for the “submission”

TasChas
Reply to  Martin Clark
August 31, 2022 11:36 pm

Martin, thank you for the info. Just seeing the intro left me spitting chips. The Academic left has been ratchetting down on free though here in Aus for the last 20 years. I am thoroughly tired of it!

KcTaz
Reply to  Martin Clark
September 1, 2022 10:00 pm

I have long admired Engineers for being the most fact obsessed people on Earth. I can’t tell you how deeply disappointed I am by Any group of engineers sponsoring this garbage.

MarkW
Reply to  KcTaz
September 2, 2022 11:09 am

It’s not the engineers who are sponsoring this garbage. It’s the politicians who run these organizations. They never poll the members to get their opinion before signing onto these scams.

DipChip
August 31, 2022 6:59 pm

Concerning Climate Change: There can be no disinformation, their can only be lies and opinions.

Megs
August 31, 2022 7:00 pm

Unquestioned science isn’t science at all, it’s authoritarian rule. These people don’t deserve the title of scientists.

stinkerp
August 31, 2022 7:05 pm

I stand with the AAS. Disinformation on climate, COVID-19, and the Great Barrier Reef should be censored from the broadcast news and the internet. Only views supported by rigorous evidence should be allowed. Theories about disastrous man-made climate change, the imminent demise of the GBR, and COVID-19 having natural zoonotic origins and being more dangerous than any pandemic since the 1917 Spanish Flu and that masks and vaccines prevent its spread, all of which are unsupported by the evidence (or have a dearth of supporting evidence), should be banned.

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Shoki Kaneda
Reply to  stinkerp
August 31, 2022 7:17 pm

I appreciate your sentiment, but let them blather. Their (figurative) graves will just be deeper.

MarkW
Reply to  stinkerp
September 1, 2022 8:26 am

The response to bad data is good data.
The belief that things we disagree with should be banned is a very dangerous one.
No matter how well intentioned at the start, it always results in tyranny.

Truthbknown
August 31, 2022 7:07 pm

WTF???

Truthbknown
August 31, 2022 7:11 pm

The very nature of real science is to question, to keep an open mind, to experiment!

tgasloli
August 31, 2022 7:24 pm

After the handling of COVID (lies & totalitarian abuse of power) what did the Australian voters expect to get as a result of voting for leftists & greens.

Vote for leftists & greens get the policies of leftists & greens.

KcTaz
Reply to  tgasloli
September 1, 2022 10:05 pm

True but the Aussie Conservatives, I think you call them Liberals, have been just as dumb and told lies and have engaged in totalitarian power from what I have seen. If you can prove me wrong, I would actually appreciate it very much.

Farmerphil
August 31, 2022 7:24 pm

How else can they justify their tax payer funded salaries?

NeedleFactory
August 31, 2022 7:34 pm

Climate denialism is just one example of how misinformation results in societal harm.

To my knowledge, no one denies the climate.
Thus “Climate denialism … results in societal harm” is itself misinformation.

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KcTaz
Reply to  NeedleFactory
September 1, 2022 10:09 pm

THE REAL CLIMATE SCIENCE DENIERS 
https://bit.ly/3cdPNed
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/18/the-real-climate-science-deniers/ via
EXCERPT:
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…But what I find fascinating in all this is the steadfast, often nasty determination of scientists, politicians and interest groups promoting alarmist themes – and profiting immensely from them – to reject and deny any science, history and evidence that undermines their claim that nothing like this ever happened before.
…In fact, carbon-14 dating shows ten “clearly definable time windows” over the last 10,000 years – periods when glaciers were limited to regions up to 1,000 feet higher in the Alps than today. This means that, for multiple long stretches of time, “the Alps were greener than they are today,” Schluechter concludes.

…Off the Florida coast, the Mel and Deo Fisher archeological diving team didn’t just find the famous Spanish galleon Nuestra Señora de Atocha, which sank during a ferocious 1622 hurricane, or only the British slave ship Henrietta Marie, which went down during a 1700 hurricane, after leaving 190 Africans in Jamaica to be sold as slaves. They also found charred tree branches and pine cones from a forest fire 8,400 years ago, when this ocean area 35 miles from Key West was still well above present day sea levels!
Even an entire forest has been discovered, protruding from the melting Mendenhall Glacier near Juneau, Alaska – an area I visited several years ago. Roots, stumps and large segments of entire upright spruce or hemlock trees have already been found across several acres. They are the remains of a forest that thrived there for as long as 2,350 years, until it was buried by glacial ice around 1,000 years ago.

The chronicle of amazing discoveries yielded by melting glaciers goes on and on. Their most important lesson is that our current climate is but a snapshot in time, on a vibrant planet where climate change and extreme weather have been “real” since time began. Only a science-denying climate alarmist would refuse to recognize this. Simply put, there is nothing “unprecedented” about what we are seeing today…

Serge Wright
August 31, 2022 7:39 pm

If there was misinformation then it would be easy for the academy to highlight the misinformation and publish a scientific rebuttal, explaining why Sky was wrong. The problem for the academy is that Sky News has never been found guilty of misinformation and all of their stories on the misinformation provided by climate alarmists, some of whom are members of the academy, have been proven to be correct. The record reef cover on the GBR is one example and so is the recent record rainfall, which is contradictory to claims made by Tim Flannery and the BOM back in 2006-2008 that Australia had moved to a permanent drought due to CC. Tim Flannery’s famous words “So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that’s a real worry for the people in the bush”, is replayed constantly on Sky News, especially following a heavy rain or flood event. The reality is that Sky News are publishing the truth and that’s a big problem for the academy, whose lies are exposed.

This is authoritarianism 101 and the reason the academy are pushing the Marxist cart now is because there is a green socialist/Marxist regime in government that has a majority in both houses and can now legislate draconian Marxist laws at will. This is just the beginning and we can expect Sky News to be shut down and conservative voices silenced across all platforms.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 1, 2022 4:10 am

“Tim Flannery’s famous words “So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that’s a real worry for the people in the bush”, is replayed constantly on Sky News, especially following a heavy rain or flood event.”

Good for Sky News! I love it! Using the alarmist’s own words against him every time it rains. That’s the ticket!

John the Econ
August 31, 2022 7:49 pm

Science so solid that criticism has to be banned. Got it. In a truly educated society, even if a citizen had no scientific background at all, they’d learn all they need to know about the legitimacy of the science behind the AGW argument by this single act.

Larry Hamlin
August 31, 2022 7:53 pm

So the Australian Orwellian “Ministry of Truth” is at hand. Pathetic – what the hell is wrong with the Australian people😡.

Richard Page
Reply to  Larry Hamlin
September 1, 2022 10:48 am

I’m sorry but that term is so last century. According to the government of Ukraine the correct term is now: “office for countering disinformation.” Propaganda is still propaganda, no matter how it’s dressed up though!

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Larry Hamlin
September 2, 2022 3:33 pm

The chief executive of the Australian Academy of Sciences is Anna Maria Arabia who was principal advisor to the former Australian Labor Party leader Bill Shorten ..Now this Stalinist ploy makes a little more sense ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………A biographical profile of Arabia lauds her as ” a passionate advocate for science , social justice and gender equity “…………………I dont recall any “passionate ” advocacy on Ms Arabia’s part on behalf of the Chiquita mushroom pickers and Cleanevent workers after it was disclosed Bill Shorten as AWU secretary brokered clandestine deals that robbed those lowly paid workers of their rightful entitlements ……Or indeed Kathy Shariff [ look up her story ] ………..Were they on the wrong side of the “social justice ” and gender equity ” ledger Ms Arabia ? ….Nothing I wrote there is “misinformation “

Barry James
August 31, 2022 7:59 pm

When did brainwashed Marxist bureaucrats get control of AAS policy pronouncements? No scientist worthy of the title could support such an anti science stance. It’s past time for Australian scientists to sack their bureaucratic spokesmen and take their association back.

markl
August 31, 2022 8:01 pm

We have reached the consensus where one man’s news is another man’s disinformation. God help us.

Simonsays
August 31, 2022 8:10 pm

Looks like the AAS has got a copy of 1984 and filed it under Operations Manual.

Layor Nala
August 31, 2022 8:21 pm

You Aussies are slow off the mark again. New Zealand has been practising this approach for some time – since the Arden government paid off the media to only print (alarmism) what they wanted printed.

Craig from Oz
August 31, 2022 8:28 pm

Jo Nova. Irony I’m afraid.

Jo is (was?) a loud voice in questioning the ‘consensus’ related to Global Warming(tm).

However back in early 2020 when Fauci’s Wuhan Farce was first starting, Jo went full lockdown and not so much toed the Expert Line, as attempted to write most of it.

(amusingly unlike ‘climate’ where she is a concerned outsider applying other skill sets to look in on the ‘consensus’ and call out the New Clothes, with viruses Jo actually has some pre existing skill sets)

Jo leap all over the ‘text book examples’ of how the lockdowns were isolating and destroying the virus. The problem, as I pointed out at the time, is that ‘text books’ are deliberately written to teach specific points and are hence constructed in an artificial manner to simplify anything that may lead to confusion and focus on the topic under discussion. What works in the text book rarely transfers over completely into the real world. Probably part of the reason a lot of learning focuses on case studies of real world situations rather than lab concepts.

Jo also embraced the idea that what we needed was ventilators and masks and NOW. She unironically said that converting the entire Australian manufacturing industry over to making same was a ‘no brainer’ and doubled down for weeks by having that recommendation in the footer of her update posts.

Since I do work in Engineering (senior design draftsman) I made the counter comment that manufacturing simply didn’t work that way and switching to making completely new items in the time frames Jo was suggesting as literally impossible. Actually literally impossible in the time frames she wasn’t suggesting too.

Jo was also taking a mild bit of push back on lockdowns from people who actually needed to interact with other members of the public to put bread on the table. Continuing to work from home for months on end was fine if you were a blogger who worked from home anyway. Her claims that lockdowns were a mild inconvenience didn’t really sit well with a lot of small business owners. Just saying.

Jo then make the significant error of openly arguing with her comments section. She deliberately misquoted me during one ‘discussion’ revolving around the fact that society could not afford to hide under their beds for ever to strongly imply I was deliberately making slurs about the health profession (and in hindsight I sort of wished I had been) and I decided my life was too short to argue with fanatics.

So, I do find it mildly ironic that such a hard core ‘Trust the Science’ Covid person finds offense at someone else attempting to shut down rational debate.

Also, hope she is well and her and David are still living the Western Australian dream.

YallaYPoora Kid
Reply to  Craig from Oz
August 31, 2022 9:17 pm

How about posting the links to your discussion with Ms Nova so we can follow your comments.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 31, 2022 11:44 pm

“I think there is room for a range of views on our side of the
fence, and even room for people to be wrong sometimes”

Given fear on a personal level, all the unknowns about the Wuhan
flu, & its eventual politicization, even Sherlock Holmes would’ve
made a few missteps along the way before he got a good handle on
the situation. Anyone claiming otherwise is not being that honest.
It was bad enough that data was scarce but having both it &
“authorities” being untrustworthy- like climate cabalists- made
clear, rational thinking even that much harder. For example, it
took an overly long time for the possibility of mutating even to be
mentioned. For me, that was a “Doh, how did I miss something that
obvious” moment as Hong Kong flu mutates annually! Because of
that, I hung on to the misguided notion that the vaccine would solve
the problem. Luckily, I got the Wuhan flu first (not as bad as you)
& by then, realized natural immunity was probably even better than
a shot. I haven’t ever gotten one & am not planning to do so.
Hopefully, that’s the right decision. If I do get it again, there
are numerous treatment options available.

At the end of the day, the skepticism needed to gather evidence
about climate change helped keep me, as well as many deniers,
from getting too far off track for too long. It was & still is
one big mine field.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 1, 2022 4:22 am

“Given fear on a personal level, all the unknowns about the Wuhan flu, & its eventual politicization, even Sherlock Holmes would’ve made a few missteps along the way before he got a good handle on the situation. Anyone claiming otherwise is not being that honest.”

Excellent comment. I agree completely.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 1, 2022 12:02 am

The only thing lockdowns did was delay the inevitable.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 1, 2022 4:24 am

You can say that now, after the fact.

You didn’t know one way or the other when the Wuhan virus first showed up. It could have been 10 percent lethal for all anyone knew at the beginning. If it were 10 percent lethal, you would have welcomed a lockdown and would be saying what a good idea that is.

MarkW
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 1, 2022 8:36 am

Delaying the inevitable also meant hospitals and health care workers weren’t over whelmed.
The earliest evidence that I remember that something was wrong was pictures of patients on gurneys in Chinese hospitals because all the beds were full.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  MarkW
September 2, 2022 3:18 am

crap . aus delayed more than most places and still we’ve had nothing but hype around full wards and shortages of docs etc
italy and chinas pics were very few and just run/rerun as if it was the same all over as was Indias outbreak truth was it was certain areas, locals elsewhere were just fine
Victorias STILL using covid as excuse for shortfalls of emergency care ambulances and vital surgeries and treatments being with held

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 1, 2022 4:20 am

“but we didn’t know that at the time. ”

I think that is the key.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Armchair quarterbacks are always right.

Reply to  Craig from Oz
August 31, 2022 10:54 pm

So call me the anti-lockdown girl. 🙂 Quote me correctly. I don’t want lockdowns, and if the world followed my advice, we would have hardly had any. On Feb16 2020 I predicted that if we didn’t stop the flights from China, Australia would be locking down schools and factories in a month. It was obvious from ICU bed capacity and exponential growth. I was correct. Hard borders were the obvious solution. All CCP bioweapons should be left in China. In Western Australia the state of 2.5m lived the proof of what I said (perfect case study) — we all lived almost like Covid did not exist for 22 months — very few days of lockdown, no need for masks. We danced, sang, and visited senior citizens whenever we wanted.

Far from following The Science I worked to expose Big-Pharma corruption, and push against mandates. I also knew vaccines were risky, and anti-virals — natural and out of patent — would be the fastest safest solution and, and documented the power of Vit D, Ivermectin, B6, Melatonin, Iodine, iota-carageenan etc. I exposed the bad advice and conflicts of interest of Tedros (WHO Chief) on Feb 2, 2020. Trump wanted to stop the flights and the WHO wanted to spread the virus.

Sorry you feel so hurt Craig, I don’t remember our conversation. Readers will know I get into the comments section regularly. You must have been carrying this pain for a while? By April 2020 I was explaining how ventilators were killing people and SARS was not ARDS.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  JoNova
September 1, 2022 4:29 am

“Trump wanted to stop the flights and the WHO wanted to spread the virus.”

President Trump stopped flights from China despite all of his advisors, including Dr. Fauci, being against travel restrictions.

Trump saw the logic of stopping the travel and took action. No doubt, that slowed the spread and gave us more time to prepare.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 1, 2022 8:38 am

President Trump stopped flights from China 

The very same people who criticized Trump for over reacting, are now claiming that Trump didn’t do enough.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
September 1, 2022 9:40 am

Makes one wonder about the rationality of Democrats.

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
September 2, 2022 11:12 am

Unfortunately, those in charge appear to be rational. Evil, but rational.

UK-Weather Lass
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 1, 2022 2:36 am

To be fair to Jo her site has never shut down commentators or censored opposing views even about lockdowns and COVID-19 mitigation. Jo is always prepared to debate and discuss without resorting to ad hominen attacks.

COVID-19 stands out as one of the most incompetent acts of the UN’s WHO and politicians generally who failed to adhere to time honoured public health guidance. They are the ones who need to held to account. The same is true of the UN’s IPCC who have allowed climate science to become such a train wreck destroying economies all over the place just as lockdowns did. Those who started this mess need to be the one’s who clean it up or else.

I am just grateful Jo is on our side and has an active blog doing precisely the things misguided authority figures hate.

paul courtney
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 1, 2022 9:36 am

Mr. Oz: I followed that debate, comparing our host to the “shut down misinfo” crowd is mentally unhnged on your part. Sorry if bluntness hits you hard, but your post above is my Exhibit A. In my experience, the call to shut debate is always from the left, never from this host. You are out-of-line with this, yet our host left it up.
If you reply to me, I’ll bet that stays up.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 1, 2022 5:12 pm

Craig,
Would it not be fairer of you to acknowledge the large amount of physical and intellectual effort that Jo and David have contributed in the effort to distribute views about topical, serious subjects?
All of us gain personal views about many subjects, but history shows that many times we will be wrong. That is a universal human failing.
I have never met Jo or David face to face. I am not shilling for them here.
You might reflect on how you would have performed if you had started a blog at the same time.
Jo’s has gained world status, no easy feat. I could not have done it.
If there is a particular sub–topic attracting your ire, why not post it on Jo’s Unthreaded and work through it. Best to maximise science and minimise emotion.
Geoff S

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 2, 2022 2:12 pm

” Jo then make [sic] the significant error of openly arguing with her comments section ……..I decided my life was too short to argue with fanatics “………… There is nothing impertinent or erroneous about Jo quarreling with or admonishing contributors to her blog or changing her position in light of new evidence …..On occasion .I have argued with her and unlike you do not begrudge her for doing so…………Where is the link to your particular exchange ? ………I have witnessed at least one complainant on the WUWT page express dismay that comments were falsely posted under his name but I digress

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
September 2, 2022 2:17 pm

Anthony and the WUWT team certain functions on my home computer are impaired when typing on your comments section [ paragraph spacing for example ] ….So excuse the ellipses

Craig from Oz
August 31, 2022 8:32 pm

Facebook at least might be losing their taste for censorship

I think the more realistic claim is that Facebook might be losing.

15 or so years ago commanded respect for their sheer slice of the market. You were on Facebook doing updates or you died alone and unloved.

Now? I put it to you that Facebook is legacy and exists because most ex-users can’t be arsed working out how to delete their accounts.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 1, 2022 5:21 pm

Craig,
I know few people who bother with social media. I took a couple of weeks looking at the main ones when they were past their initial growth spurt and have not come back.
However, they have their followers and I cannot affect that. The most I can do is to publicise a counter view to that expressed in more regular channels by social media enthusiasts, keeping in mind an IQ type factor that allows for them being a bit simple for getting hooked.
Geoff S

DocBud
August 31, 2022 8:41 pm

“including during the late 2021 United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP26”

The late? Did it die, I missed its obituary?

Bill Toland
Reply to  DocBud
September 1, 2022 2:45 am

I live in Glasgow and I can confirm that COP26 did indeed die.

John
August 31, 2022 8:46 pm

welcome to the Albanese police state run by the greens adam brandt

LdB
Reply to  John
August 31, 2022 10:04 pm

It’s definitely going that way and anyone who doesn’t believe what they do is a criminal.

Bob
August 31, 2022 9:00 pm

The Australian Academy of Sciences needs to be disbanded. We can start new with a different group, if they support and recommend muzzling those they don’t agree with disband them.

Old Man Winter
August 31, 2022 9:27 pm

Alinsky RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize

“Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after
people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is
cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)”

AAS actions are standard for authoritarians.

While the DHS has shut down its “Ministry of Truth”, it’s illegally getting
Big Tech/Social Media to do it’s dirty work. It’s now evident that it was
misinformation & censorship that kept the vote close enough for mules to
steal the US 2020 election. It’s amazing that the FTC now is suddenly
clamping down on cell phone tracking data. Hmmmmm!

https://reclaimthenet.org/dhs-continue-disinformation-work/

https://foundationforfreedomonline.com/dhs-domestic-censorship-a-roadmap-to-the-deep-dive-series-2/

CNBC-
FTC sues data broker for allegedly selling location data from hundreds of millions of phones

Whether or not the attributions of the following statements are correct, the
underlying truths are quite apt:

Goebbels-
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 1, 2022 4:37 am

“Goebbels-
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”

That is what is happening right in front of our eyes when it comes to human-caused climate change narratives. The lie has been repeated so long and loudly that a lot of people believe it.

The fly in the propaganda ointment is that there is no evidence CO2 is doing anything to change Earth’s weather. No evidence. That’s why the alarmists have to lie all the time about the Earth’s climate.

Gyan1
August 31, 2022 10:19 pm

Liars don’t like their lies being exposed.

Censorship is totalitarian tyranny that impedes the free exchange of ideas which is essential for human development.

RickWill
August 31, 2022 10:19 pm

The Australian Academy of Science is nothing more than Academics for Climatology.,

All the Fellows are hangers-on who have never done productive work. Some of the older ones could claim to be educators but all young academics are climate ambassadors who pedal propaganda. Australian education is bereft of knowledge and beholding to big government.

You have to ask what true scientist would want to belong to a body that condemns debate. Morality is dead. Peter Ridd is the perfect example of what happens to people who tell the truth in Australian academia.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  RickWill
September 1, 2022 4:44 am

“You have to ask what true scientist would want to belong to a body that condemns debate.”

Good question.

And this question should apply to all the science organizations in the Western world, as every one of them is onboard this Climate Change Train.

Alarmist Climate Change has corrupted all of science. It’s a huge scandal. Writers in the future will marvel at the groupthink of the present day. Human psychology and manipulation on display.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  RickWill
September 1, 2022 5:28 pm

Rick,
I went from this topic on WUWT to the Dessler/Koonin debate.
Oh my, the world that we know is in a huge emotional mess with some of the worst political leaders in living history.
I guess we just remember Anthony and co with thanks for WUWT and keep plugging away. Truth will out.
Geoff S

Alasdair
August 31, 2022 10:48 pm

So the AAS would have platformed the COP26 conference if it had had its way🤔. Fat chance methinks; as Woke thinking doesn’t work that way. It would have loved all those tears at the end.

MarkH
August 31, 2022 11:05 pm

“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned.” – Richard Feynman

These supposed “scientists” wouldn’t know actual science if the fell into a pool full of it. They are priests and acolytes of Scientism, a neo-Marxist quasi-religion.

Aelfrith
August 31, 2022 11:31 pm

Surely the concept of “Disinformation” is just another “Social Construct”, like gender and can be defined by the individual? /sarc. 😉

Doonman
August 31, 2022 11:38 pm

Who are these people? The Scientific Method disproves hypotheses and always has. You can never do that when you refuse to listen.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Doonman
September 1, 2022 4:47 am

“Who are these people?”

They are not scientists. They behave like gullible children.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Doonman
September 1, 2022 9:45 am

They are elitist technicians who have initials after their names. However, they don’t really have the mind set of real scientists, who always think, “That is strange. I wonder why that happened?”

Peta of Newark
September 1, 2022 12:27 am

how can they be so lacking in self-awareness

September 1, 2022 1:18 am

The Vatican in the early 1600s would have admired this blatant censorship.

paul courtney
Reply to  Bob Hoye
September 1, 2022 4:48 pm

Mr. Hoye: Indeed, and note the success, nipping that protestant thing in the bud!

Rudi
September 1, 2022 1:41 am

Don´t they know anything about history?

HotScot
September 1, 2022 2:04 am

“I’ll scweam and scweam and scweam until I get my way……”

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Yooper
September 1, 2022 3:50 am

Meanwhile over in the UK:

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From: https://electroverse.co/

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Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Yooper
September 1, 2022 4:10 am

Excellent stuff. Wetter, drier, more storms, less storms, warmer, colder, it’s ALL the Magic Molecule ™!

I particularly like the bit about storms. More intense storms are increasing, yet the number of storms isn’t, and the intensity is not increasing. Spectacular use of statistics.

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ozspeaksup
September 1, 2022 4:33 am

aas-holes

Trying to Play Nice
September 1, 2022 4:53 am

Apparently Australia is now a third world country with no free speech. I guess I can scratch one more destination from my bucket list.

Rod Evans
September 1, 2022 6:15 am

Just checked the date to be sure, and no it is not April 1st so that can’t explain it???
I actually like the idea of banning misinformation about climate change.
If they do that then the likes of Michael Man Al Gore and Greta will never be heard from again….

observa
September 1, 2022 7:16 am

In my opinion this self serving AAS demand for scientific censorship is just another establishment effort to squash dissent and protect establishment narratives from justified criticism

Sounds familiar-
‘Submit or quit’: Teacher, student brain drain hits Hong Kong schools (msn.com)

MarkW
September 1, 2022 8:15 am

Galileo was punished for insulting the Pope.

Armpaca
Reply to  MarkW
September 2, 2022 10:17 pm

When I read “we all know about Galileo” I immediately thought of xkcd’s “Valinor” comic (it’s here: https://xkcd.com/1255/)

I’d have hoped if WUWT would be a site where that particular tool of the cultural Marxists was recognised for what it was. The Galileo myth is the go-to for the Left wing propaganda that Christianity is anti-science, that it stood in opposition to science and impeded it – and still does – as part of the attack on the foundations of our society.

After all, science is undeniably a good thing, and rational people wouldn’t want to live in a society without the last five hundred years of scientific progress. Thus it discredits Christianity, it must be bad, if it opposes science.

Of course it’s nonsense, Christianity isn’t opposed to science and it’s not a coincidence that Christian Europe is where science emerged. Just a few years after Galileo’s book was banned because of slander, Johannes Kepler published the definitive vindication of heliocentrism. Kepler proved that celestial objects travel in elliptical orbits, whereas Galileo’s book had tried vainly to make his observations adhere to his preconceived belief that planets would have perfectly circular orbits.

Kepler was a devout Christian who believed that scientific discovery was possible because God created a rational universe that he wanted mankind to learn to comprehend. What’s more, the Christian monarchs of Europe went into bidding wars trying to bring Kepler too their court – being a patron of the sciences was very much the in thing.

Reply to  Armpaca
September 2, 2022 11:24 pm

It’s an old left wing myth that’s been in most textbooks for 150 years so give the average conservative a break. It’s considered cultural received wisdom even if it’s incorrect.

Armpaca
Reply to  Charles Rotter
September 4, 2022 12:09 am

Precisely right. I chimed in on the subject, even though I never comment, because the myth is so widespread that as you say the average conservative probably hasn’t heard it called into question. I figured at least have a few more people hear it, even if it’s beside the article’s point.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Armpaca
September 3, 2022 10:55 am

The foundations of science did not “emerge in Christian Europe “.. but were rather nurtured and revived there in the Renaissance ….They originated in Vedic and post Vedic India , Egypt , Babylonia and Greece … The heliocentric theory was not first conceived by Kepler or Galileo nor the idea of a spherical Earth .. The Egyptian priest Sonchis of Sais was chronicled in Plato’s dialogues patronizingly counseling Solon on the orbits of celestial bodies travelling in space and the dangers of asteroids The book Hamlet’s Mill traced the phenomenon of equinox precession encoded in ancient myths .That said a great debt is owed to Christian monasteries in Ireland and the British Isles that saved many works of ancient civlizational learning from destruction during the barbarian invasions

Armpaca
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
September 4, 2022 12:46 am

And yet the typical classroom, whether tertiary or secondary or even primary, will teach that science is a creation of the Age of Enlightenment. I have no trouble agreeing that it predates Christianity, whereas I think going from the “Age of Enlightenment” is obviously absurd, but that is what the vast majority are taught today, and to question that is to make oneself anathema.

The Other Nick
September 1, 2022 8:19 am

Of course the ATSE and AAS have to make this submission. The Labor/Greens are in power. 
 
Remember these were the politicians back in days of one great and outstanding J Gillard who tried to have a royal commission on the press, Murdoch in particular.
 
Well with Albo and his new all fantastic team, it can all be tried again and might unfortunately succeed.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  The Other Nick
September 3, 2022 11:03 am

Julia Gillard with the connivance of Bob Brown and the Greens ……The floated Royal Commission was designed to intimidate NewsCorp journalists and editors conducting inquiries into Gillard and the AWU rorts affair

Gordon A. Dressler
September 1, 2022 8:57 am

The ATSE and AAS obviously overlooked (almost certainly, intentionally) the necessary Recommendation 0:
Determine what person or committee will be selected to be the judge(s) of what is to be established as “information” versus “misinformation”, and set forth the qualifications for the person or persons to serve in that capacity. Set forth the evidence that is to be evaluated, objectively if possible, for said decision making process. 

If they bothered to try to enact Recommendation 0, the other recommendations would never come up for consideration.

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InterestedBystander
September 1, 2022 11:37 am

Australia is no longer a free country. I don’t know much about Aussie culture but is there no conservative/populist movement there? 

Julian B
Reply to  InterestedBystander
September 3, 2022 5:52 am

The opposition movements have been largely dissipated by Media blackout and very effective police control. Random, well publicised brutal attacks by police on non threatening demonstrators, early morning arrest of publicist of demonstrations, and jail time for the ‘offense’ Radiation Control Weapons that cause sunburn type injury and dreadful nausea from loudspeaker type stands.

I have seen drone video of streets packed with demonstrators over several city blocks but not a report apart from derisory “several hundred people demonstrated ——-” and yet the average joe can’t connect the SADS and strokes and cancers to the Elephant in the room.

Jim
September 1, 2022 11:54 am

More like an Academy of Silence than an Academy of Science.

September 1, 2022 12:39 pm

It is only 8 years left to the 30ties again. Then in the 1930ties it was the jewish science that have to be suppressed. Now it is consensus science that can’t be criticized. Hey, what happened to the consensus science of the Big Bang Theory after the first pictures from deep space were transmitted from the James Webb telescope? It crashed because what it reveled was that the number of galaxies in the universe now is to be believed to be 10 times higher with fully developed galaxies than previously thought. The big Bang Theory is now dead and all the papers written about it need to go to the trash can.

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JBP
Reply to  Per Strandberg
September 1, 2022 7:10 pm

PerS, do you have links to articles and such? Sounds interesting. Thanks.

KcTaz
September 1, 2022 1:15 pm

Q. What’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and reality?
 A. Just a matter of weeks these days.

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
September 1, 2022 1:38 pm

Censorship never works. All censorship does is create distrust of the authoritarian censors while simultaneously driving the contrarian views under ground.

Geoff Sherrington
September 1, 2022 4:25 pm

During my decades of science, I was privileged to meet several eminent scientists who had become known as global leaders in their fields, not quite household names like Einstein, but among the best alive.
A characteristic that all of them shared was a continuing effort to challenge the conventional wisdom about their special field of interest. Some went a step further, becoming prominent by authoring the new hypothesis.
The people at the AAS who are pushing this censorship are not particularly prominent in science. Some are known more by the topic, climate change, than by their scientific excellence in analyzing it.
Here is an example of an AAS publication on climate change, to see if readers here think likewise. Title, “The Risks to Australia of a 3 degrees C Warmer World.
This is not a regular paper. It does not appear in the usual way in a Google Scholar search. It does not seem to have a list of authors, but instead has comments like “Academy Fellow Professor Ove Hoegh-Guldberg was team leader. It does not seem to have had customary peer review.
I asked for the Academy to retract their essay but received not even the courtesy of a reply.

https://www.science.org.au/supporting-science/science-policy-and-analysis/reports-and-publications/risks-australia-three-degrees-c-warmer-world

If you like punishment, my reasons for seeking retraction are here:
http://www.geoffstuff.com/threedegreeresponse.docx

WUWT readers can do more than just commenting here. Go to your keyboards and send messages. Geoff S

observa
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
September 1, 2022 5:31 pm

I asked for the Academy to retract their essay but received not even the courtesy of a reply.

They’re busy people providing advice to Gummint-
NSW ‘underwater forests’ to cut emissions (msn.com)

My theory is half the population are women and mostly they run on emotion so they’re easy prey for emotional abuse by certain types of blokes. Toss in the alphabet soup type and rational blokes and women are a minority and that’s the missus coming so I’m outta here.

Chris Norman
September 2, 2022 5:29 pm

“The best books… are those that tell you what you know already.”
Orwell.

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