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Aussie Climate Minister: 600,000 Workers are Required for the Green Transition

Essay by Eric Worrall

Australia’s energy and environment minister Chris Bowen has revealed his vision for an Australian renewable superpower which creates lots of well paid green jobs.

Push to cut emissions by 43pc will need an ‘enormous new workforce’

Jacob Greber Senior correspondent
Aug 23, 2022 – 4.41pm

The Albanese government’s push to cut emissions by 43 per cent by 2030 will unleash an employment demand wave that will severely test the nation’s ability to train and source offshore workers.

A “mini jobs summit” in Parliament House in Canberra with 70 to 80 green groups, think tanks, industry lobbies and unions organised by Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen ahead of next week’s national jobs summit heard a series of calls for the government to manage the transition.

Labor is particularly eager to emphasise the potential upside of its climate change agenda, which Mr Bowen said could generate more than 600,000 jobs by 2030.

“We’re going to need an enormous new workforce to address issues around sovereign capability and manufacturing, and reducing our reliance on vulnerable supply chains, and make sure the geographic dispersal of that workforce is done the right way.

Read more: https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/push-to-cut-emissions-by-43pc-will-need-an-enormous-new-workforce-20220823-p5bc4t

Energy and Environment Minister Chris Bowen explaining how easy it is to store electricity;

Bowen’s message is an appeal to people who yearn for a return to Australia’s manufacturing golden age, which peaked in the late 1950s, before greedy government tax grabs locked in a long term decline. The introduction of capital gains tax in 1985, and the beginning of Australia’s high cost green energy obsession in the 90s possibly dealt the death blow to an already weakened industry.

Australian Historical Tax Rate
Australian Historical Tax Rate – share of GDP taken as tax by the Australian Government. Source Australian Government.
Australia's manufacturing decline.
Australia’s manufacturing decline. Source Australian Government.

As Western taxes and heavy handed economic meddling soared in the latter half of the 20th century, Asia presented an irresistible lure to manufacturers, by providing a predictable, low tax, low cost business environment. Taxes stayed at 21% or below in China’s case, throughout the entire period that Australian energy costs and taxes soared. Most manufacturers had no choice, they had to follow the money or perish at the hands of their Asian competitors.

The solution to Australia’s economic woes is obvious. But Bowen doesn’t appear to get any of this, perhaps because for his entire life he has been a left wing activist, and has no experience of running a business. Bowen doesn’t appear to understand that government money is rarely a path to national prosperity – success stories like the spinoff benefits of the Apollo programme are the exception rather than the norm. Low taxes and predictable costs were and are the keystones of the Asian miracle.

In Chris Bowen’s fantasy world we really can store electricity like water, high tax high cost Australia can out compete China at manufacturing, on the back of expensive, unreliable green energy, with a little government help, it really is worth training people long before the jobs are ready, and hundreds of thousands of well paid workers will be required in the green energy factories of the future.

Sadly millions of Australians desperately want to believe in Bowen’s fairy tale.

If you are interested on more background on the impact of taxes on manufacturing, the Asian Miracle, and why government meddling doesn’t work, The Trillion Pound Horror Story is an excellent documentary which delves into these issues. The same people also produced The Great Global Warming Swindle.

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drednicolson
August 23, 2022 10:05 pm

A nation cannot tax its way to wealth, any more than a body can give itself blood.

Reply to  drednicolson
August 23, 2022 10:32 pm

Not a good analogy !!
A body can give itself blood, it does it 24/7; The process is called hematopoiesis, about 41.6 milliliters of blood is produced per day.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  saveenergy
August 23, 2022 10:36 pm

Try having lymphoma. I do agree with your point about a poor analogy.

drednicolson
Reply to  saveenergy
August 24, 2022 12:03 am

Here’s a better one then.
“no more than a body can draw blood from one arm, inject it in the other, and expect its bloody supply to increase.”

Willem post
Reply to  drednicolson
August 24, 2022 5:47 am

Robbing Peter to pay Paul?

Craig from Oz
Reply to  saveenergy
August 24, 2022 5:55 pm

Open to correction, but I understand that hematopoiesis is not a closed loop and the body still requires outside input.

Nit picking. I would still say that Nations exist in spite of their government, not because of them.

Reply to  drednicolson
August 24, 2022 8:41 am

300,000 dig ditches…..300,000 fill ditches in?

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Antigriff
August 24, 2022 9:59 am

With teaspoons.

Alexy Scherbakoff
August 23, 2022 10:14 pm

With all that hot air no wonder we have global warming.

H B
August 23, 2022 10:34 pm

What a utter load of bovine excrement need I say more Bowen is an idiot of the highest order

Frank
Reply to  H B
August 23, 2022 11:28 pm

Bowen excrement?

Dennis
Reply to  H B
August 23, 2022 11:59 pm

Turn off the television sound and watch him, he is a clown.

IanE
Reply to  Dennis
August 24, 2022 1:37 am

Personally, I suffer from coulrophobia – which now equates to fear of politicians!

Mr.
Reply to  IanE
August 24, 2022 9:06 am

So is hypercoulrophobia fear of politicians who are clowns?

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Mr.
August 24, 2022 10:01 am

Politicians who are clowns. Doesn’t that apply to most politicians?

LdB
Reply to  H B
August 24, 2022 1:55 am

The minimum wage in Australia is $40175 so multiply that by 600,000 and that is an annual minimum wage bill of an extra $20B for renewable energy. Put another way there are 10 million workers in Australia so that would make what 1 in 15 workers in the renewable sector.

I call bovine excrement as well 🙂

Gerry, England
Reply to  LdB
August 24, 2022 5:07 am

But at what rate in Australia do ‘green’ jobs destroy real jobs where the workers earn honest money? In the UK it is between 3 and 4 so Bowen would destroy between 1.8 and 2.4 million jobs if it was the UK.

Spetzer86
Reply to  LdB
August 24, 2022 5:18 am

Think of what that extra $20B does for the cost of electricity. All of those workers going into a system to replicate what you already have. All that money has to come taxes on the people, though it can be hidden under a variety of fee and tariff rocks.

LdB
Reply to  Spetzer86
August 24, 2022 6:52 am

About $4000 per household per year 🙂

Reply to  H B
August 24, 2022 4:32 pm

Farm animal digestive waste products.
Let’s be civilized.

Mike McMillan
August 23, 2022 10:34 pm

“We’re going to need an enormous new workforce …”

Great! Another destination for Gov Greg Abbott to bus our illegals.

Mike in Houston

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 23, 2022 10:47 pm

A win-win all around !

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 23, 2022 10:48 pm

Why can’t we grow our own cocaine?

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 24, 2022 5:57 pm

well… if we could work out how to change climate somehow… then… New Growth Industry!

Probably… 🙂

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 24, 2022 3:39 am

grows well in tassie and would elsewhere
tassies chosen due to island status making policing crops easier

Craig from Oz
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 24, 2022 5:59 pm

grows well in tassie…

You thinking of opium?

Different source plants for different drugs?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 24, 2022 12:35 am

Probably grow it in your neck of the woods. You’re just saying that because you grow it in your backyard. Haha.

H B
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
August 24, 2022 1:37 pm

Far north Queensland??

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  H B
August 24, 2022 4:42 pm

I know Eric lives up there. Just making a joke. I live in Tasmania and we have opium poppy growing about 5km away. Zero security. Not that I’m interested in leaning over the fence and plucking a few when I’m on the bike track.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 24, 2022 10:06 am

Yeah but think of how much better those ESG scores are by following DEI protocols.😉

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Mike McMillan
August 23, 2022 10:46 pm

The workforce is to cut down trees to produce the paper for the report.

Dennis
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
August 24, 2022 12:03 am

Maybe not in Australia, discussed on Sky News recently that close to fifty per cent of the land area is now controlled by indigenous groups or individuals and around twenty five per cent is locked away registered as UN National Parks, add Marine Parks offshore.

Former state forests set aside for sustainable logging now mostly national parks land.

See UN Agenda 21 – Sustainability, now Agenda 30.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Dennis
August 24, 2022 3:41 am

and by the time we crowbar albo OUT we wont own a pot to pee in he will hand it to the wanna be /claim to be/ aboriginals

Spetzer86
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 24, 2022 5:20 am

Just plan on owning nothing and being really happy then…

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dennis
August 24, 2022 5:59 am

“UN National Parks”

We need to kick the UN out of our National Parks.

MarkW
Reply to  Mike McMillan
August 24, 2022 11:48 am

Didn’t AOC want to build a bridge to Hawaii?
I guess we could just extend it to Australia.

Geoff Sherrington
August 23, 2022 10:45 pm

Stupidity has entered political decision-making here.
There is a widely discussed shortage of jobs. Agricultural crops are sometimes not planted or picked because there are no people coming forward to work. Hospitals are pushed to limits, some from Covid and aftermaths. Diverse small businesses advertise for more staff and get little response. Capable teachers are rare, schools need more teachers. And so on.
Yet, there are big proposals to cure this lack of workers by a huge immigration program.
One wonders how more immigrants will lessen the load on hospitals. Why? On public transport. Why? How they will leave fruit picking in their native countries to pick fruit in Australia. Why? How will teachers leave their homes and native languages to move here to teach English? Why?
This country has gone crazy.
We used to talk about mass madness from “something in the drinking water”. Fluoride and chromium were blamed, then fizzed from no evidence.
But the madness remains. Geoff S

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
August 23, 2022 11:26 pm

Your expectations of humanity are too high. I expect humanity to be as idiotic as it is, therefore I don’t stress about these things.

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Mr.
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
August 24, 2022 9:13 am

Yes, wasn’t it Einstein who said –
“there are only two things that are infinite – the universe and human stupidity”

Old Cocky
Reply to  Mr.
August 24, 2022 3:47 pm

and he wasn’t so sure about the Universe.

Old Cocky
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
August 24, 2022 1:04 am

That train left the station decades ago.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
August 24, 2022 3:43 am

100k or more in housing crisis and these dipsh!ts wanna bring in 200k or more?
Id kill to be able to work when so much I can do/used to do is going begging and I am too ill to manage more than a couple of hours a day at best

MarkW
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
August 24, 2022 11:51 am

I have noticed a significant drop in the quality of wait staff at the restaurants and fast food establishments that I frequent since they re-opened after the COVID shutdowns.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  MarkW
August 25, 2022 12:31 am

MarkW,
We have been staying home because highest risk category from Covid. Avoided so far.
However, if you are saying that many of the planned new immigrants will be so unskilled that their main activity will be attending dole queues and serving in cafes, then I have to sympathise. Look at the increased number of young asians on scooters taking food from cafe to private mome. (We used to walk).Thank about those in the private homes who could cook their own. Here, it is possible that some are very hard workers, 2 jobs or more, who can be too tired to cook.They are not part of this criticism
Overall, the more you think about the jobs crisis, the more you understand that it happens because too many Aussies are not well trained to do anything in demand. Yet they are encouraged to go to Uni before they can get a job, like nursing. The universities, now with very high pay rates for senior staff at least and large admin groups are too busy making money to care much, so immigrants come here, pay money, get a piece of paper of questionable quality and go back home to repay the parents who paid for the aussie holiday.
Some things here are terribly, terribly wrong.

Geoff S

Stephen Mueller
August 23, 2022 10:45 pm

Sitting here in the freezing cold and pouring rain, some global warming would be nice.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Stephen Mueller
August 23, 2022 11:05 pm

Try living in Tasmania. We have moss growing on the electric wires.

Dennis
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
August 24, 2022 12:05 am

I will drive to Katoomba west of Sydney in the Blue Mountains, Great Dividing Range, where today the Great Western Highway is closed because of heavy snowfalls between Mount Victoria and Blackheath.

Snow on Barrington Tops west of my home Mid Coast NSW as well.

Megs
Reply to  Dennis
August 24, 2022 12:42 am

And spring is just a week away!

b.nice
Reply to  Dennis
August 24, 2022 4:13 pm

Yep, Snow in the Barringtons

Wind here (mid Hunter) certainly has a chill to it !

Aug 22 Barrington.jpg
H.R.
Reply to  b.nice
August 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Looks like they are knee deep in Global Warming there.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
August 24, 2022 3:45 am

ditto Vic and my car has a nice healthy green moss selection;-(

Mr.
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
August 24, 2022 9:16 am

Do they call that “green energy” then?

griff
Reply to  Stephen Mueller
August 24, 2022 1:31 am

Ah, you see what you have there in Australia is climate change… that’s what has brought you those multiple floods.

fretslider
Reply to  griff
August 24, 2022 1:37 am

Probably one of your more unhinged contributions.

Australia, like the rest of the world, has weather

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  griff
August 24, 2022 2:47 am

Personally I think it was someone claiming Australia was in a state of permanent drought.
Nature has a wicked sense of humour

ozspeaksup
Reply to  griff
August 24, 2022 3:46 am

la nina and we WERE given plenty of notice

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Spetzer86
Reply to  griff
August 24, 2022 5:22 am

Not to worry, griff. Probably not a drop in Oz’s lakes and rivers because we know even the rain that falls won’t fill them.

LdB
Reply to  griff
August 24, 2022 6:47 am

Clearly we need to sacrifice more virgins

Mr.
Reply to  LdB
August 24, 2022 9:20 am

If you think Lithium is in short supply, don’t even think about discovering more virgins.

MarkW
Reply to  LdB
August 24, 2022 11:53 am

Will they take griff?

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 24, 2022 11:52 am

I’m guessing that griff is actually stupid enough to believe that floods are a new thing in Australia.

Mr.
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2022 12:24 pm

Griff is not into history at all.

History describes real events in the real world, so that’s totally alien to AGW acolytes.

I think it was about 1904 that Dorothea McKellar wrote her iconic ode ‘My Country’ describing the landscapes of Australia –

“The Land Of Drought And Flooding Rains”

The irony for the Griffs of the world is that Dorothea wrote her poem when she was residing in the UK.

Reply to  griff
August 24, 2022 2:20 pm

3 Gorges Dam in China is at record low water level…..seems CC can’t make its mind up.

b.nice
Reply to  griff
August 24, 2022 4:14 pm

Try learning something about the effect of El Nino and La Nina events on the east coast of Australia.

And try not to make such IGNORANT comments

There is absolutely NOTHING untoward about these floods..

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Quilter52
Reply to  griff
August 24, 2022 5:39 pm

BS Griff. There is heaps of evidence, all conveniently ignored by our Councils that allowed housing to be built on flood plains for the rates revenue they would obtain, that we have significant flood plains and a frequent history of severe La Nina flooding. The sediment around Lismore – which has flooded on average once every 14 months since it was first built by Europeans – is 100 metres deep. The aboriginals in the area told us not to build there but we, of course, knew better. Australia is a country of droughts and flooding rains, very evident from our geology. La Nina and the Indian Ocean Dipole are prime contributors to our floods. And it’s been happening for eons. Our politicians at all levels are idiots, political party irrelevant, but greed guaranteed.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  griff
August 24, 2022 7:14 pm

Wow Griff, way to back hand Chris Bowen!

Bowen:the rain doesn’t always fall either, but we manage to store the water – we can store the renewable energy

Griff: those multiple floods

What you are saying, Young Griff, is that renewable energy doesn’t work and that Bowen is a plonk for claiming otherwise.

Well done, Griff.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Stephen Mueller
August 24, 2022 3:44 am

yes last night of firewood and more cold n wet on the way;-( sure wont be running electric heaters HWB are the only option and under the doona

Steve G
August 23, 2022 10:46 pm

Chris Bowen – Not only a veritable giant in the areas of physics and engineering, but now we can add work force economics to his list of unbelievable talents.

Dennis
Reply to  Steve G
August 24, 2022 12:13 am

As a councillor on a Sydney suburban council years ago he stood by a Labor councillor comrade who was charged with arranging the murder of a NSW State Member of Parliament also Labor, the councillor was held in a remand centre awaiting trial in court and was allowed to continue to receive full remuneration from council. The murder was carried out after the MP refused to stand aside and give up his electorate to the man who had him killed, a migrant Australian.

At that time the Labor side was recruiting ethnic group members to become branch members, the media called that “ethnic branch stacking”.

After being found guilty the then former councillor was gaoled at Long Bay in Sydney where, according to news reports and denials of knowledge by the State Minister for Corrective Services, Labor Government, the convict arranged Chinese New Year parties at least twice inside the goal with over one hundred guests attending from outside. Catering done by a well known Sydney Chinese restaurant.

Chris Hanley
August 23, 2022 10:50 pm

Bowen sees great commercial opportunities in the development of ‘technologies known to be critical to reach net zero emissions including hydrogen, long-duration energy storage and technologies to support the integration of renewables into the grid, as well as carbon capture and direct air capture’
It’s a remake, same plot but different actors and with the promise of a far more spectacular ending.

Bob Close
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 24, 2022 2:28 am

Agreed Chris, Bowen just doesn’t have the skills required to understand his portfolio and make a success of it to Australia’s benefit. He obviously has been told to push the above technologies to save the planet. However, green hydrogen is a dangerous and explosive, corrosive and expensive product which I don’t want to see anywhere near a car I drive or a plane I fly in. Proper energy storage for base load night time power in some form of battery is a desired panacea, but I believe it is a decade or two away from being commercial, so no good for 2030. Efficient storage is the only way renewable energy is going to make it commercially, and be a useful additional energy produced together with tried and true baseload power from traditional sources.
Carbon capture is a daydream that is still very expensive and may not be a long term solution, as under ground disposal is still on trial. But the main issue there is that the world needs as much CO2 in the atmosphere as it can get to continue the greening and plant fertilization of the planet to the benefit of all carbon based species.

Seriously folks, the government and academia needs to focus more on climate science truths, and whether there is an actual climate emergency in our near future, because the current and historical climate data is not showing any unusual or potentially dangerous global warming. Almost no overall warming has happened globally over the past 22 years, where is the problem here?
Climate scientists must be required to show where a potential emergency is coming from, and how it works physically, what humans or industry is having any influence on climate, or is the hysteria all just coming from computer models that cannot actually replicate the complexities of climate, so we are being asked to just trust them?
None of this mattered until the UN IPCC told national governments in 2007 and then in Paris in 2015, that they had to legislate to reduce CO2 emissions from industry and consequently fossil fuel energy was to be minimized for our own health and safety and for the good of the planet. What utter rubbish! But, there is too much money being made in this climate caper for this juggernaut to slow down now, so we are all going to suffer Bowen’s learning pains as he unsuccessfully tries to achieve the impossible dream of Net Zero emissions.
Not a lucky country anymore, God help us!

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Bob Close
August 24, 2022 10:55 am

Computer programs using a thoroughly unrealistic scenario.

The UN IPCC didn’t require governments to cut CO2 – Western governments willingly jumped at the opportunity.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 24, 2022 10:49 am

Scheduling technical breakthroughs doesn’t work.

MarkH
August 23, 2022 11:46 pm

They are probably just going to employ 600,000 people to ring me up 10 times a day and try and “give” me some gadget to track my power use (double pinky swear we won’t send the data to .gov), or analyse my power bill.

With the price that energy will be at, they surely won’t be employing them to actually make anything in Australia, it was already financially infeasible before the latest nuttery, what’s coming will be far worse.

Ken Irwin
August 23, 2022 11:51 pm

60000 jobs created 100000 destroyed

Typical of this farrago – cost benefit analysis only considers benefits.

Dennis
Reply to  Ken Irwin
August 24, 2022 12:15 am

“Green” jobs.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Dennis
August 24, 2022 3:48 am

but the young and green wont take them…funny that
might actually BE work required

b.nice
Reply to  Dennis
August 24, 2022 4:18 pm

“Green” jobs…

Sweeping up after horses when petrol will no longer be available to the majority.

Cleaning solar panels using the inland’s limited water supplies.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Ken Irwin
August 24, 2022 5:26 am

You’d be really fortunate if you only lost 100,000 jobs due to 60,000 green jobs. Typically, it’s more in the 180K-240K region.

mikee
Reply to  Spetzer86
August 24, 2022 7:03 am

Spain was one of the first crash test dummies where the failure of renewables was demonstrated.

Dennis
August 23, 2022 11:58 pm

Meanwhile there is a severe shortage here of skilled and unskilled labour, for example the building and construction industry is struggling to complete projects and estimates for starting new projects is a long way into the future, typically for house renovation and extensions no start until late in 2023 or even later.

And add the global supply problems for materials and rising costs.

But the new Australian Federal Government claims that over eighty per cent of electricity will come from unreliable energy installations within a few years time, at least four offshore wind turbine sites chosen already, at present there are none offshore.

Megs
Reply to  Dennis
August 24, 2022 1:06 am

We live in a Renewable Energy Zone in Central West NSW. Sadly the solar projects in Wellington are massive and only 2 kilometres from the town. During the peak build, and for a short period of time, one of the projects had more than 500 construction workers, basically to install the panels. They were overseas backpackers. So much for trained well paid employees. At one point the unions issued 15 citations against the developer because the workers were carrying out work that should have been done by electricians. Some of these jobs were putting the workers at risk.

The further down side to all this was that fruit growers were having trouble finding pickers. Worst case scenario was that some of the produce had to be plowed back into the ground because workers couldn’t be organised in time.

Bowen doesn’t have an actual plan, he has an idea. These ideas are being reinforced by the likes of Flim Flam, and billionaire mining magnates. You know, real scientists.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Dennis
August 24, 2022 3:49 am

stairman dan just approved a load of offshore birdshredders off the vic coast near what WAS tourist areas of Portland and up the coast following
OS swedish corps of course

Mr.
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 24, 2022 9:35 am

Bass Strait is known as a very windy stretch of water.

It’s also known for huge seas.

Containers are washed off big cargo ships there quite regularly I believe.

I hope the offshore windmills to be set up there don’t finish up washed ashore in New Zealand.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 24, 2022 9:40 am

Doesn’t he know that Wind Europe is expecting a worldwide shortage of vessels to install the foundations, install the turbines and lay the cables to the mainland in the next few years?

This requires three specialised types of ships and the problem is exacerbated by the fact the offshore turbines are getting bigger faster than the ships to install them and everyone is wanting to build offshore where the winds are generally stronger.

TonyG
Reply to  Dennis
August 24, 2022 9:12 am

Meanwhile there is a severe shortage here of skilled and unskilled labour

The real shortage is willing labor. Seems like far too many don’t want to actually work anymore.

Ben Vorlich
August 24, 2022 12:05 am

I saw the headline and thought it’s another case of “many hands make the light work”

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
August 24, 2022 12:37 am

They’re commies. Many hands make no work.

fretslider
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
August 24, 2022 12:45 am

Many hands form a committee

fretslider
August 24, 2022 12:07 am

600,000 Workers are Required to Clean Solar Panels

Bring your own dusters….

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LdB
Reply to  fretslider
August 24, 2022 7:26 am

You will also need a lot of

RU OK and Mental Health officers
Hydration officers
Gender Equity officers
LGBTIQ+ support officers
Occ Health and safety officers

For these 600,000 Green jobs it’s probably 1 for 1 so really it’s 1.2M jobs.

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Mr.
Reply to  LdB
August 24, 2022 9:38 am

Don’t forget the fulltime union delegates.

One for every 10 actual workers?

H.R.
Reply to  Mr.
August 24, 2022 7:56 pm

This green jobs stuff just isn’t gonna work.

I say cut through all of the greenie crap and just send everyone to barber school. Then everyone can give each other haircuts.

Full employment, decent work conditions, and yeah, the pay isn’t the greatest but it’s a decent living.


Wait up. What about bald people? Hmmmm……. 💡Got it!

Give half of them bricks to toss through windows and train the other half to be glaziers.

Okay, now it’s all squared up.

(Green jobs. 🙄)

Firey
August 24, 2022 12:32 am

Tell him he is dreaming.

Megs
Reply to  Firey
August 24, 2022 1:15 am

Are you an actual Firey? Here in Australia the government still haven’t come up with fire plans against wind, solar and battery fires. They’ve put out tenders hoping to come up with something useful and hope to have something in place by the middle of next year. Meanwhile our local firefighters have been instructed that if the local thin film cadmium/tellurium commercial solar project catches fire they are to let it burn. They’ve been told that the toxic fumes would be too dangerous for them to be in close proximity.

This solar project is 4 kilometres from the town and 3 kilometres from our home, when I mentioned this to the firefighter he shrugged his shoulders.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Megs
August 24, 2022 3:51 am

pray for an epic hailstorm

Megs
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 24, 2022 4:21 am

That was our thought too at one point. We need a good catastrophe to raise awareness of the risks. Trouble is there are two waterways within the site and there is an aquifer that runs under the entire region. We pretty much live in a flood zone. I don’t even know how they ever thought that this was a good place to install renewables. Oh yes that’s right, corruption. People in government at all levels benefit.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 25, 2022 1:01 am

We got one last year in my part of Oz.

Unfortunately it went right over our work car park and not the solar farms

Megs
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 26, 2022 2:39 am

I’ve got an update for you! A young farmer who lives across the road from the above mentioned solar project accidentally started a fire when cutting his grass with a ride on mower. This happened this afternoon. This is the risk we will be facing in our region on a regular basis and the powers that be believe that it’s acceptable. They had to get the choppers in to help fight the fire and close to three hundred acres were burnt before they got it under control. Check out the link to see just how close the fire came to a neighbouring property and to the solar project itself.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-26/gulgong-grass-fire-water-bombers-called-homes-threatened-nsw/101376986

Ken Davis
August 24, 2022 12:34 am

So lets import a whole bunch of high fertility immigrants who needs food, water, transport, housing in order to feed the green unicorns. Anyone got a napkin?

observa
August 24, 2022 12:37 am

The son is a sparky so he’s rolling in dough like most of them that can get out of bed and do the business-
Electricians are in high demand, so why are almost 40 per cent of apprentices considering quitting? – ABC News
He’s actually trained 3 apprentices to date (his first one works for him after a stint with other employers) but note the Jobs and Skills Summit is really all about Labor and Big Union mates-
‘Electrical industry’ won’t be represented at the Jobs and Skills Summit – YouTube

Mind you now Labor is in Gummint they have to compromise for the bleeding obvious-
Federal government opens 46,000 sq km for offshore oil and gas exploration (msn.com)
CCS is a bad joke and a flimsy veil to hide behind.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 24, 2022 10:23 am

A buddy of mine hired an HR firm and they wanted to piss test his employees at his warehouse. For one long-time employee he said not to bother, it would probably break their machine.

Peta of Newark
August 24, 2022 1:06 am

The now entirely disappeared renewable & off-grid energy forum (doesn’t the interweb ‘never forget’ – it forgot those folks) I used to follow was wise the this BS

Their message board was littered with stories of where solar PV systems (thermals were even worse but not so numerous) had been installed and subsequently went wrong. ##

And when they did, the original suppliers/fitters/installers were completely vanished.
Guarantees were worthless even after less than 5 years of the supposed/promised 25 year lifetime of that junk.
Why that matters is that thse fitters/installers and start-up companies were The Jobs that this clown is raving/lying about.
Those jobs inside small businesses were created by the stroke of a bureaucrat’s pen and were just as quickly destroyed by same.
Small wind turbines, of the sort farmers might install (up to 20kW) were similarly affected, even more so.
Being a wind turbine‘ in UK Weather has got to be The Shortest Straw anyone/anything could ever draw.
Blades. Bearings. Hubs. Slip rings. Furling mechanisms. Wind direction steering. Springs.

Wind turbines in the UK were a Total Train Wreck because not only did the installers disappear, so did entire companies that made them. Spare parts were impossible.
So were people/engineers to even come visit/see/inspect/repair the now hapless, feckless and useless eyesores.
These/those were/are The Jobs that this guy is talking about

## I’ve just realised why, in part, Electric Vehicle battery systems blow up.
It’s because and contrary to what even electronics expert wouldn’t believe, it’s because of the failure of ‘passive’ electronic components within the inverters, chargers and management systems of those batteries.

In particular, the capacitors.
Being = energy storage components that are an intrinsic part of all ‘switched-mode’ inverters and chargers.

Being a capcitor in a high power switching circuit is absolute he11 – the instantaneous currents going in and out are immense.
And they need to be for the inverter/charger to have the energy efficiency figures that they do.
But when that innocent little 2-wire component fails, which they do after typically 5 to 7 years, anything can happen.
Or in the case of an EV attached to a ‘super charger’ – 11kV of 3-phase unlimited current AC mains finds itself attached to a Lithium battery that was expecting current limiting and maybe 500 Volts DC max
The results of same can never be happy – and that is an intrinsic fault with (especially Lithium Ion) Battery systems. And Grid-Tied Inverters also.

What everyone imagines to be The Most Reliable Foolproof Component, is actually the main/major and most common failure mode

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Peta of Newark
August 24, 2022 1:17 am

Missed the edit..
Where mere mortals may have encountered the failure of capacitors in ‘high power pulse circuits’ would be in the energisers for electric fences, as used to mange cattle, sheep, horses, bears. tigers-in-the-jungle whatever whatever.

When The Ticker stops ticking, everyone dives in thinking that the semiconductors in there have failed.
Wrong.
99 times out of 100, it was the capacitor that died – esp the energisers that use the circuitry borrowed from Capacitive Discharge Ignitions
What ki11s the semiconductors is lightning strike but a melted/frazzled fence-controller is but nothing when half your herd of cows have their feet pointed skyward at the same time

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Peta of Newark
August 24, 2022 3:53 am

I repair a lot of pcs and the most common issues is?
a dud capacitor

Brad-DXT
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 24, 2022 10:27 am

That’s why I only use PSUs utilizing Japanese caps like Seasonic.

MarkW
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 24, 2022 12:07 pm

When I was in college, the lab that I worked in was often asked to repair equipment from other labs and offices.
One time the office got a shipment of new monitors. After a couple of weeks, the first of these monitors made it’s way to our lab. After troubleshooting, the tester determined that a particular diode had burned out. Replaced the diode and returned the monitor.
A few days later, another monitor showed up. Same diode burned out.
Over the next 6 months about half of the new monitors showed up in our lab. We got to the point where we didn’t even bother with trouble shooting. Just open it up, swap out the diode, close it up. Quick test. Return to client.
The lab was paid a flat fee for this work.

We got a couple of nice new toys paid for by those monitors.

RickWill
August 24, 2022 1:10 am

In Chris Bowen’s fantasy world we really can store electricity like water,

Written by someone who has not tried to get approval to build a water storage dam in Australia in the 21st century.

It is much easier to set up a grid scale battery than any water storage dam.

The only serious constraint to batteries is cost but there is a predictable timeline; assuming China can supply the materials for the cells. The process to set up a water storage dam has an indeterminate timeline that usually involves massive cost and time even before earthworks begin.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 24, 2022 3:56 am

yeah yet another we got cold fusion the other day
then
but we cant get it to happen again followed

ozspeaksup
Reply to  RickWill
August 24, 2022 3:56 am

in Vic at least theres a minimum size dam you can put on every title rural block with ZERO permit/approval required, sometimes working around the morons on councils and green laws is faster and a solution of sorts

Mr.
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 24, 2022 9:47 am

Not where your property is traversed by any depression that has been identified as a water course ultimately flowing into Lake Eildon.

Uncle Mort
August 24, 2022 2:06 am

From what I see, the workforce round here is already enormous. I blame cheap takeaways.

dennisambler
August 24, 2022 2:31 am

Australia has long been a target for the core activists like Figueres, Gore, etc and homegrown former Greenpeace Political Director, Bill Hare . This was Christiana Figueres’ Australian Election Special – https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/floods-fires-coral-bleaching-politicians-leading-the-country-to-climate-catastrophe-20220512-p5akqr.html

“There’s no gentle way to say this. Australia’s climate ambition has for years been well at the back of the pack globally. Since the unfortunate repeal of Australia’s last significant climate policy back in 2014, Australia’s decarbonisation efforts have languished, and its emissions reduction targets are broadly consistent with about 3 degrees of catastrophic global warming.

Australians are among the biggest per capita emitters in the world. Add to that Australia’s position as one of the world’s biggest exporters of high-polluting coal and gas, and you have a picture of a nature-blessed country that has not yet embraced its climate leadership potential. Australia is sleep-walking towards devastating bushfires, floods and coral bleaching events that will become more frequent and dangerous than those over the last two years.

 Australia, your country needs a genuine and all-encompassing climate action plan that covers every sector and every community. It can be bold and exciting. It can be innovative and entrepreneurial. And it can embody a heartfelt and economically smart commitment to a safer climate future for the next generation.”

They must be very pleased.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  dennisambler
August 24, 2022 3:57 am

why people like her are allowed IN….let alone allowed and paid to speak/lie

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Mr.
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 24, 2022 9:51 am

Downvoters, Dennisambler’s comment was quoting Figueres.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Mr.
August 24, 2022 7:43 pm

It’s likely Loydo Griff and Stokes not liking her words highlighted

H.R.
Reply to  Mr.
August 24, 2022 8:23 pm

Yeah, I caught that, Mr.

But might as well let the downvotes continue as a referendum on Figueres and Dennis can take satisfaction that he’s struck a nerve quoting her.

@dennisambler – I gave Figueres (may her caviar be ‘off’) a downvote, not you. You get a 👍

H.R.
Reply to  H.R.
August 24, 2022 10:05 pm

Oops! I see people caught on, Mr.

ozspeaksup
August 24, 2022 3:37 am

Bowens an idiot
but an idiot with the power to ruin aus even further in 3yrs;-((

observa
August 24, 2022 4:37 am

Start digging with all those diesel engines as there’s a planet to be saved-
Massive increase in mining needed to meet 2030 emissions target | Watch (msn.com)

Gary Pearse
August 24, 2022 4:42 am

Peak renewables in Europe/UK was in 2017. Old spent power “farms” are not being replaced.
Dozens of electrical companies have gone bankrupt and there is no appetite in the private sector for more investment in light of the present state of affairs. The push to grab pension funds for the doomed cash (a la Black Rock) is meeting huge resistance and will fail (at least in the USA) and this source of cash must have dried up in Europe (60% of Germans are unable to add to savings accounts and this is growing).

Europe is done. America will be done in November and the world will be in the terrible grip of the “Green Policy-Caused” global economic and human disaster that cannot be avoided.

Australia is like the small groups of Japanese infantry in the jungles of of Philippines who didn’t know WWII was over.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/may/28/secondworldwar.japan

Megs
Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 24, 2022 11:25 pm

It’s so bloody bizarre. Australia’s politicians talk up renewables and how we’ll prove to be world leaders as though no one else has thought of it. They are actually oblivious to the energy crisis happening in the Northern Hemisphere as a direct result of pushing wind and solar for more than two decades.

Australia is a laughing stock in regard to our stance on renewables. We are indeed the ‘lucky country’ in that we are resource rich. But instead of simply using our resources we want to show the world how much more clever than they are at controlling the weather. Even if it mattered, our contribution to anthropogenic C02 emissions is I believe, around 1.16% of the less than 5% that mankind contributes.

Added to that insanity, we legislated against using nuclear energy decades ago. We don’t have reliable rivers so hydro is a limited option. Pumped hydro is expensive, we’ve gone from 2 billion to 10 billion on the Snowy Hydro 2, and it also comes with its own set of problems. Geothermal was attempted unsuccessfully by Flim Flam decades ago at the cost of 90 million dollars. Apart from a small number of hot springs we don’t have much in the way of thermal activity. Our political leaders actually believe that Australia will run largely on wind and solar with storage. And on top of that we’re going to make green hydrogen too!

We just need a ‘can do’ attitude! We’ll show you how it’s done! What a joke.

Harves
August 24, 2022 5:04 am

The 600,000 highly skilled new workers are needed to clean bird droppings off solar panels and pedal the bicycle-powered generators from sunset to sunrise. Oh, and the Govt has negotiated overseas work experience opportunities for youth in African lithium mines. The future is bright.

August 24, 2022 5:29 am

If the efforts of those 600,000 workers result merely in the displacement of current energy sources by wind/solar/whatever, then the value in the other kinds of work that they were doing or could have been doing will be lost…resulting in lower economic growth and living standards for the country.

Should be obvious.

Chip
August 24, 2022 5:45 am

They actually believe forcing 72 people to change a light bulb is how you create jobs.

ResourceGuy
August 24, 2022 5:58 am

Fooling the voters from the high tower is a full-time job. It does require a heavy dose of lobbyist nonsense designed to win the day with short term gain and long term deflection, distraction, or avoidance. That short-term gain provides a gold mine for the lobbyists and the political promoters. A good analogy is stock broker pitchmen for new investment strategies that the customers or trustees don’t fully understand and have never stress tested. That short-term gain is increased fees and bonuses while the clock ticks away on another costly dead end idea or hidden-risk time bomb.

ResourceGuy
August 24, 2022 6:28 am

The shift to Asian production was an anti-union (labor cost) move and some anti-enviro cost and regulation move. Since that shift started the enviro and regs barrier has grown 5x and the likelihood of reversal of significance is small. I think everyone knows that, but it still leaves room to play lobbyists messaging games like promoting part-time solar install jobs as permanent or replacement jobs as new. As usual, the highest cost per watt renewable activity of installing solar on residential roofs is over-counted while subsidizing the least competitive activity to expand it. These should be taken as clues by the educated observers.

joe
August 24, 2022 10:50 am

kinda stupid to believe that more workers to produce less electricity is progress

CD in Wisconsin
August 24, 2022 11:38 am

‘“We’re going to need an enormous new workforce to address issues around sovereign capability and manufacturing, and reducing our reliance on vulnerable supply chains, and make sure the geographic dispersal of that workforce is done the right way.’

********

I presume from this statement that the Aussie govt plans on manufacturing their solar panels and wind turbines in house, correct?

Do they plan on starting and opening up the mines necessary for the raw materials for these solar panels and wind turbines? Or are they going to buy everything from China?

If they plan on doing all of this in house, I find it rather ironic when one considers that Australia has vast reserves of uranium and thorium for nuclear power — some of the largest in the world. The energy density of nuclear has wind and solar beat by a mile, or more.

I can’t even begin to imagine what the logic and reasoning is to justify this road that Australia is going down. But of course, they are not alone. It’s like a disease that spreads as fast or faster than COVID did. It is like the quote from the old 19th century book that says humanity loses its mind in great herds and only comes to its senses slowly, and one by one.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 24, 2022 5:12 pm

It’s worse than that. They are counting temporary jobs in utility scale with imported panels and a lot of jobs in the high cost, low productivity rooftop segment. That’s after sidestepping all the failed demonstration projects to nowhere like concentrating solar with mirrors.

MarkW
August 24, 2022 11:45 am

If you have the same amount of product being generated by 10 times as many workers, then by definition, each worker must be paid only 1/10th as much.

The idea that you can make people richer by lowering productivity is something so dumb, that only a socialist or an academic could believe it.

Surrr
August 24, 2022 12:06 pm

Bye, bye Australia….in a few short years the constant hum of fossil fuel generators will fill the suburbs across Australia because of Bowen.

aussiecol
August 24, 2022 2:02 pm

Bowen… ”we can store the renewable energy if we have the investment”

What a tool.

August 24, 2022 4:31 pm

That’s a lot of labor hours and investment. I wonder what better uses the labor hours and investments could have been applied to. Things that benefit peoples’ lives. Things they want. Can’t see how a less reliable electric grid benefits anyone except the people who made money building it. The opportunity cost is huge.

For context: In July 2022, Australian employment was 13,558,400 people

ResourceGuy
August 24, 2022 5:04 pm

They are using the same green jobs lobbyist claim that was used elsewhere. Too bad it only works on the uninformed.

ResourceGuy
August 24, 2022 5:06 pm

Hey dumb down the productivity and you can claim even more jobs.

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Craig from Oz
August 24, 2022 5:51 pm

Irony – a man claiming that water is easy to store and control in a country that has regular and damaging flood, many of which could (should?) have been prevented by better use of dams.

Well done, Chris. Hope Penny gives you a nice pat on the head.

Bob
August 24, 2022 7:41 pm

Another worthless administrator/bureaucrat, what more can I say?

Ian MacCulloch
August 24, 2022 7:56 pm

I am deliberately putting off my departure from this mortal coil so ‘I can see that’.

Nexus321
August 24, 2022 11:30 pm

Bowen has swallowed and seemingly bathed in the green kool-aid. The link is quite a good overview of the minerals aspect of the green nonsense.
https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/sites/default/files/mines-minerals-green-energy-reality-checkMM.pdf

Kentlfc
August 25, 2022 1:25 am

Labor promised this during the electoral cycle. It’s rubbish, they knew it was rubbish but knew that the average voter would be sucked in by it. It’ll be as green job creating as Obama’s was.

Zane
August 25, 2022 2:03 am

Bowen makes a sack of potatoes look smart.

Lawrence Ayres
August 25, 2022 5:43 pm

Bowen is an idiot. He has had portfolios in the past, immigration and treasury, in both of which he failed miserably. In a government of dim light bulbs Chris’ is barely visible. His policies may create jobs but he fails to subtract the millions of jobs that will be lost. He is convinced that wind plus batteries is cheaper than coal or nuclear. A back of the envelope calculation finds that to replace an 1800 MW coal plant, to shut next year, will cost 1800 wind turbines, miles of new transmission and 14 South Australian batteries ($100 million each) to keep the lights on if the wind stops for ONE hour. If it stops for 36 hours as it did in June he will need 36*14 batteries. Since Turbines and batteries only last 20 years and 12 respectively the cost keeps going up. My estimate to replace that coal burner over its life of 60 years with wind and batteries is $240 billion at today’s prices. Chris thinks that is cheaper but then he is probably only thinking about the wind component. As I said he is an idiot.

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