Rationing is Back – and Britain’s Authoritarian Greens are Delighted

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

There are two articles out this week, telling the real truth about the suicidal pursuit of Net Zero.

It is no coincidence they are both written by leading Brexiteers.

This one is from David Frost:

Reset the diary. A new crisis is incoming. We were all set for an energy crunch this autumn, with consumption going up, supplies falling, and chickens coming home to roost. But suddenly we have a water crisis first, a taster version of future problems, just to get us in the right mindset for a difficult winter.

Different utilities, different problems, but similar underlying factors. We already have water rationing, via the initial hosepipe bans, with every chance of it getting worse. Energy rationing in some form seems well-nigh certain and we will be extraordinarily lucky if we do not have an actual blackout here, or in the rest of Europe, over the next few months.

Why are we in this situation? I used to imagine that one of the benefits of living in an advanced country was that at least the basics worked. In the developing world you didn’t have reliable water or power. But in the West, when you turned on the taps, water always came out and the lights stayed on without you having to invest in a private generator.

That is changing. Worse, we aren’t trying to solve the problems, but are instead telling people to “cut back – maybe you don’t really need all that water (or electricity) anyway”. We are being asked to change our lifestyle to match the situation, not the other way round.

Yet mastering our environment to make us wealthier has been a fundamental Western attitude of mind for 200 years. If we don’t do it, we won’t be successful for much longer.

Take the water situation first. No one can blame Vladimir Putin for the hosepipe ban. The country is just as wet as it has ever been. Met Office data shows that there has been no significant change in rainfall levels since 1840 and indeed the past 30 years have been 10 per cent wetter than the previous 30.

It is true that there is now more rain in winter rather than summer and the south of England is drier. Whether or not this is the result of climate change caused by CO2 emissions, there is literally nothing we can do about it for the next few decades. Even the most radical conceivable climate policy in the UK, or even in Europe, is not going to alter it quickly.

So clearly we must adapt. That is going to cost. But the costs are perfectly manageable. The planned Anglian Water pipeline to move water from Lincolnshire to East Anglia, which is limping forward thanks to our painfully slow planning system, will cost about £500 million – small change for infrastructure projects. (It would buy us a couple of miles of HS2 or about 20 miles of dual carriageway.)

But larger-scale projects will be needed and not much is planned. Meanwhile, it is 30 years since we last built a reservoir and only 4 per cent of our water is transferred between water companies.

Another way of adapting is through desalination. We are, after all, surrounded by seawater. It is a very good way of avoiding further extraction of water from rivers. Yet the one plant we have, at Beckton in East London, has not been turned on and might never be. A further proposal, in Hampshire, is stuck thanks to green campaigners, who worry that it is too energy-intensive, and the opposition, typically, of the local Conservative MP.

So instead we take the easy way out – reduce demand. In the short run that means hosepipe bans, shorter showers, and so on. In the longer run, it is said, consumption per person must fall by a third or more.

I don’t agree with that. We have enough water. We need to invest in capturing it, storing it, and moving it around to where it is needed. That is what an advanced country does.

We see the same “learn to live with it” response in energy policy. Obviously, the short-run shock is heavily influenced by the Ukraine war. But the longer run policy is not. We have chosen to invest in forms of energy that are unreliable and simply cannot generate what we need, yet come at extraordinary cost. Indeed the UK’s grid capacity is actually falling despite all the new pressures on it.

This circle can only be squared by reducing demand – and, as you would expect, European final energy consumption has been falling for 20 years and UK electricity consumption is at 1970s levels. Some say these are good things. I say they are symptoms of an advanced society regressing in its ambitions.

Meanwhile, here in Britain, we have decided we don’t need gas storage capacity and we are funnelling LNG to the EU because we can’t store it ourselves. As the unbelievably complacent National Grid winter plan last week showed, we are now very reliant on the Europeans sending power back to us this autumn.

But EU members face the same problems that we do – in many cases worse.

We surely should have learnt from the EU’s vaccine export ban last year, and their attempt to commandeer jabs produced for the UK, that when the chips are down it is every country for itself. We simply can’t rely on power coming back through the interconnectors.

There is every possibility, as Ambrose Evans-Pritchard has been pointing out, that people in this country will face power rationing – just as is already required in parts of Europe – so as to keep the lights on in Germany. That is going to be a hard sell. If we are to be asked by the EU to show such solidarity, a condition must surely be that they end their lawfare against us over the Northern Ireland Protocol.

My big worry is that it has got easier to tell people to “get used to it”. The Covid lockdowns showed that some people – the Establishment laptop class, not those who actually work at work – discovered that they could live a more restricted lifestyle. Some discovered they quite liked it. We must make sure that our leaders don’t think that’s possible again.

The right way forward is not telling people to do less with less. It is becoming a more productive society once again. Building infrastructure. Investing in nuclear and gas – the only power that can do the job. Mastering our environment.

The next Prime Minister can – and I’m sure will – get us back to it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/04/rationing-back-britains-authoritarian-greens-delighted/?mc_cid=1aa9951c06&mc_eid=4961da7cb1

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August 6, 2022 2:06 am

The next Prime Minister can – and I’m sure will – get us back to it.

In your dreams.
(Did I miss seeing the /sarc tag?)

Last edited 9 days ago by Philip Mulholland
Kevin McNeill
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
August 6, 2022 10:09 am

As my old Chief used to say, don’t hold your hand over your arse, you may never tell time again.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
August 6, 2022 1:48 pm

Maybe the last one just took too much notice of is marriage partner? Hope that won’t apply to the next one!

Bill Toland
August 6, 2022 2:08 am

Unfortunately, when the power cuts start, the British media will blame everybody except climate alarmists. This is already starting to happen with the oil companies getting hammered in the press. I have actually read articles which blame the soaring price of energy on not having enough solar and wind capacity installed. That is how mad the British media are.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Bill Toland
August 6, 2022 2:54 am

Totally insane,
I had a discussion with my son’s Father-in-law a few days ago. He’s the headmaster at an junior school. The law of supply and demand had passed him by. As had the folly of not allowing fracking and North Sea exploration.
“But we don’t buy oil from Russia” having to pay the market rate when you’re not self sufficient had also passed him by. As had being self sufficient is not a guarantee of cheap anything.
The main thing that had to be explained was duty and taxes. VAT on fuel is charged on the price of the fuel and the duty, 20% currently as duty is 53p per litre the VAT on the duty is 10.6p the total VAT is around 70-80p so the pump duty is still over 50% of the total. Because VAT is a percentage as the price of the fuel goes up the VAT take increases

I’m concerned about my grandchildren’s education

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
August 6, 2022 3:18 am

There was a lot of sense in primary school mental arithmetic along the lines of “If an apple costs three farthings, how much do a dozen cost?” For a start, it indicated the price of an apple, alerting a child to inflation. Secondly it taught the mental tricks for calculations involving fractions and multiplication. The answer of course is 9d, or three quarters of a shilling.

Saighdear
Reply to  It doesn't add up...
August 6, 2022 2:32 pm

How do you KNOW that ? ( sarc) That’s the trouble, not so much with Metrication, but with DECIMALISATION. FFS, in the UK we have metric sized standard steelstock: different from EU Metric steelstock sizes – and somuch for standardisation in Euroipe ( comments aimed against Remainers) and the trouble is…. that our young folk just haven’t a clue about ANY sizev like looking for a 41-and-a-half mm socket ( 1_5/8″ ) and of course a half is POINT FIVE, whatever that is !!

RexAlan
Reply to  It doesn't add up...
August 6, 2022 4:44 pm

I like this video which is along the same lines and very funny.

Loydo
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
August 6, 2022 4:57 am

Did you say Russia? What on earth have they got to do with it?

Felix
Reply to  Loydo
August 6, 2022 6:58 am

Oil is fungible?

observa
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
August 6, 2022 6:32 am

I’m concerned about my grandchildren’s education

Just tell them if they’re interested in Law and quaintly representing clients without fear or favour for justice to always test which way the woke lynch mob are baying first-
Woke NYC public law school SCRUBS profile of attorney, 29, who worked on Johnny Depp’s legal team (msn.com)

ATheoK
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
August 6, 2022 5:11 pm

VAT on fuel is charged on the price of the fuel and the duty, 20% currently as duty”

1) Call it what it actually is! Not a “Value Added Tax”, it is a flat out tax burden unrelated to value, solely related to the retail price.

The current VAT structure pays for a lot of socialist government gifts to select folks.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  ATheoK
August 7, 2022 2:46 am

wow so you cop fuel plus duty ie a TAX and then tax on both?
wow that sucks

griff
Reply to  Bill Toland
August 6, 2022 4:25 am

There aren’t going to be any power cuts.

and Shell just announced record profits when we have just seen petrol prices reach an all time high.

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 4:38 am

Griff, you seem sure that there won’t be any power cuts this Winter in Britain. Other people aren’t so sure.

Ministers warned of ‘millions’ of winter power cuts and rationed supply – report | Evening Standard

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Bill Toland
August 6, 2022 12:20 pm

Power cuts have been renamed Demand Side Response.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 5:44 am

‘..and Shell just announced record profits..’

Maybe the government should just force them to sell their products at a steep discount to an intermediate company directed by Hunter and the big guy. That way, Shell can stiff its investors and run down its assets, while the people who really care for the planet make risk-free profits.

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Ebor
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
August 6, 2022 7:11 am

Don’t give them any ideas!

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Ebor
August 6, 2022 7:18 am

A ‘windfall profits’ tax does the same thing, but like all things government, it’s less efficient and more obfuscatory.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
August 6, 2022 8:26 am

A windfall profits tax puts the money directly into gov’t coffers….

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  DMacKenzie
August 6, 2022 9:21 am

Hence, the inefficiency and obfuscation.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
August 7, 2022 2:49 am

be real
they arent paying much if any higher extraction or wages BUT ARE making massive multiples on sale prices over the usual
because?
they can

fretslider
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 5:55 am

“There aren’t going to be any power cuts.
and Shell just announced record profits when we have just seen petrol prices reach an all time high.”

Does this mean that you and your ilk will huff and puff to keep the lights on?

Governments are doing very well with all that increased revenue… (fuel price + fuel duty) + VAT = loadsamoney

Double taxed.

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MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 6:38 am

griff believes that if something hasn’t happened, it’s proof that it can’t happen.
With the sole exception of CO2 controlling the climate.

Captain climate
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 8:12 am

Are you on the autism spectrum, Griff? You should probably be evaluated.

Mark BLR
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 8:46 am

There aren’t going to be any power cuts.

Accidents happen to even the best-intentioned people.

Do you have a reference to the “Marty McFly et al” peer-reviewed paper with a title something along the lines of :
“The next (accidental) power cut in the UK will be on [date] in [city / town / region].”

rah
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 1:04 pm

I hope your one of the first to see the effects.

rah
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 1:10 pm

“Irresponsible Protesters”Posted on August 6, 2022 by tonyheller
The UK government says they are reducing fuel poverty by changing the definition of fuel poverty. The people don’t have enough bread, so let them eat cake.

https://youtu.be/ERIF2KK7XqM

I’m sure that since they changed the way they calculate “fuel poverty” it will help Griff feel warm.

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Ted
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:53 pm

Griff – List five numbers. For the second list, double all of them. I bet the third number on the second list is greater than the third number on the first list. Welcome to basic economics 101.

Lesson two: Guess what happens to profits when everyone reduces purchases of a product for a year. If you said they drop, you’d be correct. Now guess what happens to profits when people make up for that pent up demand the next year. Profits are far higher than the average year.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Ted
August 7, 2022 2:52 am

thatd be true if the price on the makeup yr was the same still a higher profit
but they ARE gouging by adding huge percentages on costs while demands higher as well

“i didnt make enough last yr so this yr I am tripling prices” doesnt wash

ATheoK
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 5:17 pm

giffie’s logical side was shut down for maintenance years ago.
It’s woke side has been frolicking on the debris ever since.

LdB
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2022 5:53 am

Shell made record profit … so how are those stranded assets working out for them 🙂

TonyG
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2022 9:19 am

So, griff, if there actually ARE power cuts, will you come back here and publicly admit you were wrong?

Somehow I doubt it.

Tekov Yahoser
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2022 9:30 am

Record profits by Shell for ONE quarter? Kinda cherry-picking on several fronts. How about Exxon? NO record profits there. BP had a pretty hefty LOSS for the last two quarters.

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michael hart
Reply to  JohnC
August 6, 2022 2:38 pm

Growing up only a few miles south of Pitsford Reservoir, I recall that summer well. The water supply never actually got as bad as standpipes in the streets.

Like many modest rainfall and topography regions we usually come off quite well from dry spells because the water supply system doesn’t actually rely on the copiously variable amounts of rain elsewhere (Wales and Scotland, if you can believe it, frequently suffered worse.)

Yet yesterday, when we don’t even have a hosepipe ban yet, a BBC weather presenter advised us to “keep an eye on your neighbor’s water usage”.
Outraged, or what?

Fran
Reply to  michael hart
August 7, 2022 12:12 pm

Destroying community by encouraging people to rat on each other is one of the Natzi and CCP’s preferred methods of control.

Peta of Newark
August 6, 2022 2:40 am

Welcome to the world of Cronyism….
From the Telegraph link:”The plant costs more than ten times to run than a standard sewage treatment works, the company said, at around £660 per million litres, compared to £45 per million litres for a standard plant.

Look at the standard charge = 4.5pence per tonne (cube)
Now search for “metered water cost UK” to discover the average cost to householders in 138pence per cube

How’s that for a mark-up
Then they charge something similar to take it away again

Hence the madness, driven of course and as per the Beckton closure, by The Love Of Money
Then, for a second day in a row, the BBC put up a story and open a comment, dissing the profits of oil companies.
Sure as eggs are eggs, it instantly becomes a multi 1000 strong rabble of pitchfork-wielding, zombified & brainwashed greed-projecting nut-jobs.

Quote:”We need to invest in capturing it, storing it, and moving it around to where it is needed.

Yesssss – but not where you imagine, or seem to by talking about reservoirs.
Where you really ‘store water’ is in aquifers, water tables and in Soil Organic Matter and it is those things that The Advanced Civilisation, in pursuit of dollar dollar dollar (and Sugar of course), has destroyed and THAT is why water rationing is on the table.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Peta of Newark
August 6, 2022 3:33 am

Water rationing is on the table because nothing has been done to increase supply while the population has increased substantially. The UK is hardly a large country, and the hillier Western areas get ample rain. The Victorians built reservoirs and aqueducts to feed the Midlands from Wales, the industrial North from the Lake District and the Scottish lowlands from the Highlands. From 2000, the EU Water Directive made such activity all but illegal, preferring rationing by price. Prior to that, decades of public ownership saw massive underinvestment in water facilities – always the first thing to be subject to budget cuts when finances were tight, which was most of the time.

August 6, 2022 2:43 am

“Rationing is Back – and Britain’s Authoritarian Greens are Delighted”

Feeble stuff. All he has to support the “rationing” claim is a hosepipe ban. There is nothing new about restrictions on water use – they have always been very common in Australia, and when I lived in Swansea (!) in 1985 there was a hosepipe ban, and no Greens in sight. They are a response to drought, not Greens.

And not a single delighted Green is identified.

fretslider
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 6, 2022 2:49 am

The fines aren’t feeble…

“Tell us if your neighbours flout hosepipe ban, say water firms”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/neighbours-flout-hosepipe-ban-water-firms-53bn76ws3

The world wasn’t quite so mad in the 80s We knew what a woman is

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Old Man Winter
Reply to  fretslider
August 6, 2022 7:07 am

Instead of taking responsibility for the shortages caused, libs will
enact more taxes, laws & mandates, which will give them an excuse
to do anything they want to, including monitor all communications &
encouraging more tattling on neighbors, like the Covid Karens. This
will eventually come to a neighborhood near you, regardless of where you live.

https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/08/03/germany-floating-environmental-impact-tax/

Add blaming consumers to the list of whom the gubmint
will blame for their own planned policy failures!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/energy-bill-price-cap-help-strike-dont-pay-b2138058.html

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paul courtney
Reply to  Solomon Green
August 6, 2022 11:40 am

Mr. Green: Thanks for catching out this lapse for Mr. Stokes. I noticed his very cavalier attitude regarding people on the lower economic rungs- the huge runup in energy prices (intentional under policies he favors) hammers the poor but, hey, not much rationing! A very elitist attitude exposed here.

Reply to  Solomon Green
August 6, 2022 12:57 pm

Mr. Stokes obviously does not read around”
I read the article, which said nothing of that. It claimed to be about rationing in Britain, but the only example it could cite was a hosepipe ban.

Redge
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 6, 2022 11:12 pm

Nick,

There are several warnings of rationing in the UK from both the left-wing and the right-wing press. A few examples:

Europe could face energy rationing as really tough winter looms (last time I checked the UK was in Europe)

Factories braced for energy rationing this winter

Really high gas prices loom for the UK

Six million UK homes ‘could face winter power cuts 
Millions of homes could face power cuts and rationed electricity

Thanks to the watermelons

It’s coming home
It’s coming home
Rationing’s coming home

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Solomon Green
August 7, 2022 2:59 am

all of which would be sorted if germany hadnt screwed russia over nord 2 final approvals and also hadnt followed the idiotic energiewebde crapola from greens and brussels wef agenda croies

Mr.
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 6, 2022 7:25 am

Agree Nick, but back then every natural event wasn’t being greeted as a “crisis”, such as they are today.

“Snowflake-ism” has grown exponentially.

Ted
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 6, 2022 2:56 pm

“They are a response to drought…”

“the past 30 years have been 10 per cent wetter than the previous 30”

False assumption from a lack of reading comprehension.

Reply to  Ted
August 6, 2022 4:33 pm

There were plenty of water restrictions in the previous 30. I mentioned 1984/5.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 7, 2022 2:56 am

and a drought in Britain is?
a week or a month without rain??
lol

fretslider
August 6, 2022 2:46 am

As we’ve gone back to wind and Sun we might as well go back to the Roman aqueduct

The greens would certainly object. Their ultimate goal as far as humanity is concerned is zero impact

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  fretslider
August 6, 2022 4:09 am

Both at school and in my classical studies I learnt much of the history of ancient Italy but it was during my first visit to the country that I learnt to really appreciate the incredible Roman engineering. They had to address all sorts of problems and provide some of the best examples of human ingenuity including the aqueducts.

This is directly relevant to the climate delusion of thinking we can engineer ideal climates. This engineering, at an astronomic cost, is doomed to fail but adapting at a tiny fraction of this cost can succeed – history has numerous examples of human ingenuity and adaption.

fretslider
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
August 6, 2022 5:19 am

Have you ever done L’Autostrada del Sole?

Now that is a road.

Reply to  fretslider
August 6, 2022 6:23 am

First ran it end to end in 1963 or so in a Minivan, visiting Canzone del Mare in on Capri to pick up a friend from Walton, chasing an Alfa Julia (the Italian Police cars from the Italian Job, down into Tuscany/Firenze off the Appenines down through the galleries and over the bridges, at an indicated (optimistic) 90mph, off the clock, until I realised the muffled noise from the poor little 848cc engine was valve bounce. Must have been the racing stripes. Also had all my luggage stolen parking in Naples outside the restaurant we were eating in…. what do you except in Naples, they said. Quick lesson about Southern Italy. Even the Camp sit in ROme had a guy going round the site saying be careful, in Rome there many thieves. But I knew by then…

But the best was when I graduated to Mini Coopers a year or two later, on the road from La Spezia to Genoa, Tunnel /Gorge /Tunnel/ gorge, straight out onto the Genoa bridge (that later collapsed) over the city and onto the Italian Riviera and Ventemiglia/France/Monaco via the Day of the Jackal customs post, etc. No road on the ground, and a proud Italian (he/him) on the hard shoulder, peeing into the void off one bridge. Probably still there (the bridge not the Italian). A knockout ride. Happy days.

Mr.
Reply to  fretslider
August 6, 2022 7:28 am

Yeah but apart from roads, wot have the Romans ever done for us?

Redge
Reply to  Mr.
August 6, 2022 11:17 pm
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Michael in Dublin
Reply to  fretslider
August 6, 2022 8:26 am

I have travelled on part of it and it was pleasant driving but I prefer the small country roads and where they lead. I would love another visit during a quiet season.

Michael in Dublin
August 6, 2022 3:22 am

Our problem is not climate change but the lunacy of politicians – many who have never had to work at a productive job – who live in a bubble divorced from reality. They appear totally ignorant of history, geography, science, maths, logic and lacking common sense.

Here is a video of others who have successfully tackled a far greater water problem than the UK:
How Israel Created a Water Surplus that Changed the Nation 

bonbon
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
August 6, 2022 3:57 am

Again US taxdollar aid actually gets projects going abroad that are blocked at home.
The massive US drought would not be a problem if NAWAPA was built – on the table since the 1960’s and upgraded now :
Holistic Solutions to the North American Water Crisis: China’s New Silk Road and NAWAPA Revisited
https://canadianpatriot.org/2020/12/03/holistic-solutions-to-the-north-american-water-crisis-chinas-new-silk-road-and-nawapa-revisited/

NAWAPA, North American Water and Power Alliance, from the 1960’s to today, a program when the USA actually thought Big.

China took this up with the largest dam and power system ever.

Reply to  Michael in Dublin
August 6, 2022 7:23 am

Amazing video. Absolutely amazing. It shows that desalination, reservoir, and pumping station technology is real, not imaginary. Thank you Michael!

TonyG
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
August 7, 2022 9:29 am

many who have never had to work at a productive job

One of the biggest problems of modern politics.

a happy little debunker
August 6, 2022 3:39 am

There are 3 things needed to sustain a civilization

  1. Access to energy
  2. Access to food
  3. Access to water

Restricting these elements lead to a less sustainable civilization.

Reply to  a happy little debunker
August 6, 2022 8:59 am

You missed out:

(4) peace.

(5) a justice system that makes every individual responsible for the effects of their actions.

griff
Reply to  Neil Lock
August 6, 2022 9:33 am

(6) not having a gun culture which sees over 600 mass shooting a year and (7) having a health system which doesn’t bankrupt people.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 1:57 pm

As usual, griff blames everything but the people responsible.
Back in the 50’s, there were no gun laws, and no mass shootings.
If guns were responsible for gun crimes, then a time in which anyone who wanted a gun, could get one should have resulted in many times more shootings.
Yet they were very rare.

So obviously it’s not guns, it’s people who have changed.

As to the health system, the US system provides better care, to more people and at lower cost, than do socialized systems. However reality was never something griff has cared about.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  MarkW
August 6, 2022 3:45 pm

Mark,
I would love to see the data to justify your claims about the US health care system. Have a look at
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy-vs-health-expenditure

which shows the complete opposite.

Jtom
Reply to  Izaak Walton
August 6, 2022 5:48 pm

Just goes to show you how misleading it is to graph two things that are only somewhat correlated. The life expectancy in the US has stagnated and is going down due to drug overdoses.

Drug overdose in the US is the number one cause of death in the 18-45 age group. If you removed those early deaths, which are totally divorced from anything related to healthcare, your graphic would show the US was doing no worse than anyone else.

MarkW
Reply to  Jtom
August 6, 2022 9:15 pm

There are also hundreds of lifestyle issues that impact both health care spending and life expectancy.
But just charting two numbers without making any adjustments for known demographic impacts is the kind of simple answer that appeals to socialists.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  MarkW
August 6, 2022 9:43 pm

Again Mark,
that might be true but where is the data to support your claim about the US health care system?

bigoilbob
Reply to  Izaak Walton
August 7, 2022 3:43 pm

Check out the worldwide rankings, and then cull out all but the 48 European countries. The US does worse than all but 2. The Ukraine and Russia. These nations have all of our problems. but they deal with them communally and so have both better outcomes and lower cost.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1290168/health-index-of-countries-worldwide-by-health-index-score/

Doonman
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:00 pm

I thought you said you lived in the UK where these things don’t happen.

Why would you care what happens in other countries? Are you a “Concerned Citizen of the World”?

Drake
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:21 pm

So since you live in the UK, I assume you are speaking of the UK?

Redge
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 11:35 pm

a gun culture which sees over 600 mass shooting a year

That’s simply a lie Griff.

Even Wiki shows you are lying.

I don’t get why people want guns either, but in the UK as in the US, we have a right to own guns and many people in the UK do own guns.

There are approx. 1.675m legally held firearms in the UK. That’s roughly 1 gun for every 45 people in the UK.

Perhaps we in the UK should ban knives, Griffy, to stop our youth from stabbing each other on a regular basis and mass stabbings in the UK?

Griff, before making a comment on something you know nothing about, do a little research first.

griff
August 6, 2022 4:24 am

Well the Greens in the UK are not anywhere in power/authority, except perhaps Brighton…

and any rationing of water is down to heatwave and drought caused by climate change, whereas any power rationing is down to world gas price and international politics.

In nether case are green policies or groups to blame and they certainly are no more pleased than anyone else (we are all equally unhappy)

However renewables do make a difference to the amount of gas we use and help keep prices down a bit…

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 4:28 am

Griff, you told us last year that Britain is becoming wetter due to climate change. Can’t you remember your own stories?

MarkW
Reply to  Bill Toland
August 6, 2022 7:28 am

What griff knows depends on what is needed to support the party right now.
This past winter griff was telling us that only an idiot would believe that a extreme cold event was just weather and only a total fool would try to claim it meant anything regarding climate.
This summer, an even shorter warm event is proof that CO2 is going to kill us all, and only science deniers could disagree.

griff
Reply to  MarkW
August 6, 2022 9:27 am

Let’s be clear: the UK weather now sees more winter storms and flooding, more summer flash flooding, drier and hotter summers and the occasional ‘beast from the east’ cold hit… and all of those are from climate change.

The UK weather pattern has drastically shifted this century due to climate change.

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 1:32 pm

Utter drivel.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 1:58 pm

Actually it doesn’t. However griff will tell any lie so long as it supports the party.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:36 pm

Show the century-long statistics proving your assertions, Griff. Data talks, bullshit walks.

LdB
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2022 5:57 am

So it’s hotter and colder and wetter and drier 🙂

Given your bird chopper love is it also expected to be winder and calmer?

griff
Reply to  Bill Toland
August 6, 2022 9:25 am

It is bill, 6%… but! that extra is not evenly distributed throughout the country or the year.

E Anglia and the south east have a drier trend…

The extra falls locally as summer flash floods and in winter extreme rain events. Just google ‘flash flood uk 20xx’ and ‘flood uk 20xx’ for any year in the current century

Places like Cumbria have seen strings of floods

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 1:34 pm

Griff, you have confused weather with climate.

Doonman
Reply to  Bill Toland
August 6, 2022 2:03 pm

No he hasn’t. Climate causes weather change. Joe Biden and Boris Johnson say so. Its the new normal.

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 1:48 pm

Griff, you are now claiming that every hot spell, cold spell, dry spell and wet spell is caused by climate change. Do you realise how mad you sound?

LdB
Reply to  Bill Toland
August 7, 2022 6:33 pm

He sounds like he is … crackpot 🙂

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 1:59 pm

Once again, griff proves that he prefers disproven propaganda to real world data.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:38 pm

So history began with the 21st Century, Griff? Long term data are the only thing that matters in climate.

meiggs
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 4:48 am

Greens, media, policy makers owned and operated by the globalist, mere puppets that will be disposed of once they’ve completed their missions to dispose of us.

griff
Reply to  meiggs
August 6, 2022 9:27 am

It must be awful to live in your world of constant dark conspiracy, devoid of fact

Editor
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 11:23 am

You just posted a series of short evidence/fact free babble in the thread, and YOU have the GALL to say this?

You are a frequent liar and continually ignore hard evidence presented to YOU in the past with your silence which is why people are learning not to post hard evidence anymore because you are being recognized as a serial brainwashed climate cultist.

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MarkW
Reply to  Sunsettommy
August 6, 2022 2:02 pm

griff’s paycheck must have finally cleared, he’s gotten much more enthusiastic in his lies.

Tony K
Reply to  Sunsettommy
August 6, 2022 4:18 pm

Why is this griff person allowed on here,is it to generate more comments.Because he has no clue about weather or climate.

Bill Toland
Reply to  Tony K
August 6, 2022 11:38 pm

Griff is useful because he is a pretty typical climate alarmist. Refuting his nonsense is helpful for new readers of WUWT so that they can see the utter cluelessness of alarmist claims about the climate.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:01 pm

Taking your leaders at their own words, is evidence of conspiracy thinking?

fretslider
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 6:13 am

Brighton is a woke dump

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griff
Reply to  fretslider
August 6, 2022 9:28 am

It’s OK for a day out.

Especially if you like piers, chips, seaside rock

Oh: also don’t miss Brighton Pavilion!

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 7:14 am

griff once again you demonstrate that you do not in the least understand energy supply. Unreliables do not keep prices down they make the provision of electricity for everyone more expensive because they make all electricity provision intermittent and also force up the gas prices because contracts become more costly to deliver because that delivery too is dependent on when the wind blows.

Everywhere there has been significant introduction of unreliables the price of electricity has inexorably risen.

griff
Reply to  Dave Andrews
August 6, 2022 9:29 am

Intermittent but predictable. There’s no problem.

The price has gone up where early adopters used direct subsidy to fund renewables. Germany abolished its green levy this year.

Meab
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 10:13 am

You keep saying that wind and sun are predictable. So you can predict that you’ll need to backup unreliable wind and solar with fossil fuels.

Listen up, griffter, Germany put their emphasis on wind and solar, France on nuclear. Germany has 2 to 4 times the CO2 emissions per kWh as France, even worse in the winter when solar doesn’t work. Why? Germany has to back up their unreliable wind and solar with lignite (dirty coal) burning power plants.

Figure it out, numpty.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:03 pm

I see that griff still believes you can predict wind at 5 minute intervals within a few km/hr 24 hours out.
He also appears to believe you can predict where clouds will be 24 hours in advance.

Either that or he’s just lying again.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 7:25 am

The green party may not be in control, however greens are in charge of all the other parties.

griff
Reply to  MarkW
August 6, 2022 9:30 am

Amazing… should the right be imitating the success of greens and leftists who apparently control all policy in a country like UK with a right wing govt? for 12 years?

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:00 pm

Poor, poor griff. He actually believes that anyone who isn’t a communist, is a right winger.
Name one policy that would be different had the Green Party been in power for the last few decades?

Mr.
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 7:32 am

“Renewables do make a difference to the amount of gas we use . . ”

Yes. We have to use a shedload MORE.

griff
Reply to  Mr.
August 6, 2022 9:31 am

Basic arithmetic: if renewables supply 43% of UK electricty then that’s 43% of generation not needing gas…

Mr.
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 11:19 am

Even more basic arithmetic:
if UK had stuck to using its naturally-endowed coal exclusively, instead of unreliable wind, solar and wood pellets, they wouldn’t need the shedload of gas they’re paying a ransom for now.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 12:29 pm

Wrong. Wind has replaced coal and nuclear. It has not replaced gas, and leaves us needing more imports as well.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:05 pm

I see griff is still trying to convince us that 43% for 5 minutes, in the middle of the night, once a year, is the equivalent of providing 43% 24/7 for the whole year.

Since the fossil fuel plants have to remain on hot standby waiting to take over when the wind dies or clouds appear, means that wind and solar don’t reduce fossil fuel usage at all.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:45 pm

But that 43% costs more overall. Math is a bitch.

LdB
Reply to  Dave Fair
August 7, 2022 6:35 pm

That ^^^^^

Same problem Nick Stokes was trying to deflect.

Fraizer
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 9:03 am

“…and any rationing of water is down to heatwave and drought caused by climate change,…”

What happened to the 6% wetter and floods due to climate change that you were touting a couple of weeks ago?


griff
Reply to  Fraizer
August 6, 2022 9:32 am

do try to keep up: the excess/extra falls in the winter, locally, in an increase in extreme weather events. (also in summer flash floods).

summer is tending drier in east and S eat.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:07 pm

Whatever happens, even if it’s totally imaginary, was caused by CO2.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:46 pm

Prove it. Over what time period?

LdB
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2022 6:36 pm

How can we keep up you just maker so much crap on the fly.

Redge
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 11:42 pm

There are so many points that are easily refuted in this comment and those below that it’s much easier to just post this (click the image – it’s an animated GIF):

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Editor
August 6, 2022 4:35 am

“nuclear and gas – the only power that can do the job”.

Tosh.

Coal also provides reliable power.

MarkW
Reply to  Mike Jonas
August 6, 2022 7:29 am

With the advantage that coal emits more of that life giving CO2.

Spetzer86
August 6, 2022 5:25 am

Want to bet a ton of people being in places they aren’t meant to be affected the water and power situation? Millions of new people suddenly flooding an aged distribution system is just what the doctor ordered if you’re looking to cause chaos and collapse.

griff
Reply to  Spetzer86
August 6, 2022 9:22 am

Utter nonsense.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 2:49 pm

Griff, you don’t understand the consequences of governmental neglect of reliable infrastructure. Government’s response is to blame others. I know; I’ve been there.

Robert W Turner
August 6, 2022 6:11 am

But everyone will just sit back and let the ecoterrorists continue to terrorize the world.

Paul Johnson
August 6, 2022 6:19 am

Keep Calm and Start Fracking

observa
August 6, 2022 6:23 am

Get used to it-
Bunbury Outer Ring Road construction halted with 11th hour Federal Court injunction – ABC News
You’ll note that’s in the jurisdiction of a popular Labor State Govt and been 30 years on the drawing board with different Govts and passed all State and Federal environmental hurdles and stop right there. How on earth do the Greenies Teals and Labor expect to cover the Oz landscape with windmills solar panels and transmission lines interconnection to change the climate in any foreseeable time frame and at any reasonable cost?

Dave Fair
Reply to  observa
August 6, 2022 2:52 pm

Live by NIMBY, die by NIMBY. Leftist politicians didn’t anticipate their obstructionist laws would obstruct their pet projects. Now, just try to rescind old “environmental” laws!

Coach Springer
August 6, 2022 6:37 am

England without water? Maybe they’re too stupid to carry on.

Olen
August 6, 2022 7:53 am

The problem is more than the greens. It’s the liberal mindset that destroys everything it touches. And they enjoy it because they become more wealthy and powerful while the population suffers.

People are the major consumers and immigrants are competing with citizens for all the resources such as jobs, education, medical, utilities and so on. Liberals have compounded the problem with implementation of their policies. It is like compounding a felony by aiding in the felony.

griff
Reply to  Olen
August 6, 2022 9:21 am

Immigrants become citizens… Or where did your ancestors come from?

Redge
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 11:51 pm

Legal immigrants become citizens, illegal immigrants don’t, they become criminals or victims of organised crime

Captain climate
August 6, 2022 8:08 am

The conservatives need to grow a pair and just tell everyone what they really think: “I am not going to sacrifice your living standards to avoid solving problems we can and will solve.”

Gary Pearse
August 6, 2022 10:06 am

“we are now very reliant on the Europeans sending power back to us this autumn.”

Yeah at £10,000/kWh! The thing I’d hate is the smug punishment the British will continue to endure for Brexit. Stupid politicians! Like blaming Putin for the ills created by our doctrinaire leaders, EU will tell you that this is what you get when you leave us. Britain could have, and should have soared like an Eagle economically and in every other way to doubly underscore the wisdom of leaving. Now it seems the EU will be right Britain will be worse off.

Elliot W
Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 6, 2022 4:02 pm

Or…Britain could have fracked and been independent of EU energy…

Bruce Cobb
August 6, 2022 12:11 pm

“Please sir, I want some more electricity”.
“Whaaaaattt?”
From “Allofus Fracked.”

DMacKenzie
August 6, 2022 1:05 pm

Rationing is Back – and Britain’s Authoritarian Greens are Delighted

British governments are in love with central planning. Last time around, they didn’t quit rationing until 9 years AFTER WW II had ended….

Doonman
August 6, 2022 1:52 pm

Remember, people who want to lower your standard of living are not your friends.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Doonman
August 6, 2022 2:54 pm

But you will be happy! [Or else.]

Philip CM
August 6, 2022 4:30 pm

Prison is a nice restrictive lifestyle. Let’s put all those who enjoyed the covid lockdowns, and desire these other restrictions on energy, food, water, etc., there. 😏

H.R.
Reply to  Philip CM
August 6, 2022 6:23 pm

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

If you like being locked up, you can keep on being locked up.
😉

Marc
August 6, 2022 6:11 pm

I travel to Europe frequently. I’ve been to most countries in Europe. It always strikes me that I rarely see anything being built. The number of construction cranes I’ve seen around Europe wouldn’t total up to the number of construction cranes currently being used in one precinct of Hanoi, Vietnam where I live 5 months of the year. My observation is that most of Europe and Europeans have been caretakers of the past. Very sad.

Bob
August 6, 2022 7:15 pm

“Meanwhile, here in Britain, we have decided we don’t need gas storage capacity and we are funnelling LNG to the EU because we can’t store it ourselves. As the unbelievably complacent National Grid winter plan last week showed, we are now very reliant on the Europeans sending power back to us this autumn.”

Does this make any sense to anyone? This has to be one of the dumbest things I have heard of.

observa
August 6, 2022 9:27 pm
ResourceGuy
August 8, 2022 10:53 am

Do look up and do vote. Your survival depends on it and it’s not about climate scare. It’s direct policy scare in your face at this point. Wake Up!!!

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