Uncivil Society: Climate Alarmists’ Last Stand?

From MasterResource

By Robert Bradley Jr. 

Extinction Rebellion (XR), Insulate Britain, Just Stop Oil and the other forces … what will you think if their actions take new, ever-more disruptive forms? … the only real options [are] meaningful and radical action or nothing at all.”

“[T]he people now lying in roads and charging into airports and refineries have conveyed the urgency of climate breakdown more successfully than anyone in a suit.” The Guardian, July 24, 2022

They are losing intellectually and in the court of public opinion. Yet the coercionists do not want to check their premises with intellectual rigor and practical application. Instead, they want to be angry and uncivil to the great majority who do not buy their exaggerations–and just want affordable, reliable energy now.

Here is a post from Zoe Cohen, self-described as having the passions of “safeguarding the future of our one, shared planetary home; with enabling and encouraging people to shine and to take action.”

She writes:

As I’ve been sharing and resharing here for three and a half years now…. a key individual and collective challenge for us all is to #tellthetruth and to #actlikethetruthisreal….

Cohen, alarmist all, then recites a piece in The Guardian (July 24, 2022) by columnist John Harris, “Berating climate sceptics isn’t enough – disruptive protest now seems the only way forward,” subtitled “The time has come to choose: do you trust the people in suits downplaying this emergency, or the activists lying in roads in an attempt to ward off catastrophe?”

Excerpts from Harris’s column reveal the latest desperate thinking of the Net-Zero-sooner crowd. It goes from current-event alarm to settled-science alarm to ‘climate anxiety’ to …. beware of troublemakers ahead.

Amid unprecedented temperatures, fires and the grim pantomime that will eventually end with the selection of our next prime minister, I suspect more people than ever would now understand those words as a matter of direct emotional experience.

For millions of us, this summer’s heat is synonymous with an anxiety that is now impossible to shake off, and a renewed awareness of the small transgressions and outright hypocrisies that are required to get through each day. We perform them … [by] that very human talent for just about averting our eyes from what is directly in front of us, so as to live a quiet life; and a political culture that just about keeps the “everything will be OK” veneer in place.

These are things evident across the planet, and the UK has its own grim versions of them…. Meanwhile, for a certain kind of media voice, the past week has been all about raging against climate sceptics and deniers and their influence on politics, as if pointing out that they are mendacious and dangerous is an act of bravery….

The key question of 2022 is not whether those people are wrong, both factually and morally: we know the answer to that…. What we surely need to focus on is the deep attachment to fossil fuels still locked into our economy and political system, and how to help the movements that definitely want to end it: Extinction Rebellion (XR), Insulate Britain, Just Stop Oil and the other forces that clearly understand the unspeakable gravity of the moment.

This comes down to a question that still does not intrude on politics nearly enough: as these groups take the most direct kind of action, do you support them? And if – or, rather, as – the climate emergency deepens and the awful gap between politics and the sheer scale of what we are faced with only widens, what will you think if their actions take new, ever-more disruptive forms? …

[T]he only real options become clear: meaningful and radical action or nothing at all.

An editorial last week in the Sun insisted that “we need a sober debate, free from the extremists’ juvenile panic, on how we inch towards Net Zero in decades to come”…. In April, the Labour party demanded that the government take legal action to effectively ban climate protests that disrupt traffic and oil production….

The people [Keir Starmer] apparently thinks should be locked up, by contrast, are motivated by a comparatively pure mission to confront the car industry and quickly finish the hydrocarbon era, and thereby avoid catastrophe. So who do you choose?

In some cases – Occupy is a good example here – sustained support for protesters and activists has bumped up against their lack of a coherent agenda. But the modern climate movement is not like that. The basic position shared by the central handful of groups is clear enough: net zero by a much earlier date than 2050. XR and the people backing the climate and ecology bill – including such politicians as the Greens’ Caroline Lucas and Labour’s Clive Lewis – envisage that change being driven by citizens’ assemblies, set up to decide how such an aim will be reached. In the context of Westminster politics, such ideas may seem so unlikely as to be barely worth considering….

Activism and protest often trigger a kneejerk suspicion that they will alienate people and kill whatever cause they advocate. But experience suggests the exact opposite… [T]he people now lying in roads and charging into airports and refineries have conveyed the urgency of climate breakdown more successfully than anyone in a suit. There is a very good reason for that: it is only well outside centres of power that you can find the answer to a question that power and politics are dodging more than ever – how to live as if the truth is actually true.

Final Comment

So this is the end game? To act like a religious fanatic hearing voices to justify engaging in disruptive action? How about a rational rethink and respectful discourse? The fantasy is with the alarmists, not the practical men and women of the world who want to adapt to weather/climate by capitalizing on the good and ameliorating the bad.

Enough of the nuts–they have already done enough damage to themselves [climate suicides, here and here] and to others. Civility please.

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Damon
July 29, 2022 6:06 am

I grew up dipping my fingers in holy water every time I entered a church. That was 70 years ago. Did it make a difference?

mkelly
Reply to  Damon
July 29, 2022 8:46 am

You don’t know yet. You are still with us.

Bryan A
Reply to  Damon
July 29, 2022 8:47 am

You haven’t died and gone to hell yet
Edit
😉

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TonyG
Reply to  Damon
July 29, 2022 9:10 am

If nothing else, it proved you were not a vampire.

MarkW
Reply to  Damon
July 29, 2022 9:58 am

Can you prove that it didn’t?

KcTaz
Reply to  Damon
July 29, 2022 11:52 am

There were a whole lot of things you could have been doing than dipping your fingers in holy water back then. You’ve made it to 70, so it may well have made a difference. It did for me and I’m 74 today.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Damon
July 29, 2022 11:53 am

Difference with what?

jimmywalter
Reply to  Damon
July 29, 2022 12:51 pm

For 2000 years they have been saying that Christ is returning soon. Wake up and smell the coffee

drednicolson
Reply to  jimmywalter
July 29, 2022 1:26 pm

No man knows the day nor the hour when Christ shall come again. And He shall come like a thief comes in the night, unexpected and unlooked for.

another ian
Reply to  drednicolson
July 29, 2022 3:52 pm

Seems that we’ve got plenty of thieves in the night – and day

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  drednicolson
July 31, 2022 9:45 pm

On average, “Christ comes” for every one of us after threescore and ten years, or by reason of strength it might be fourscore years.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Damon
July 29, 2022 1:02 pm

Did they not also teach you that Jesus transformed water into wine — quite good wine the story tells.
“When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
You are old enough now to switch to wine. I suggest drinking it in moderation.
It is not a good idea to pick up other’s germs from the holy water font.

Tom Halla
July 29, 2022 6:07 am

The climate crusaders should be sentenced to sheepherding on one of the lonelier Scottish islands, where they can live the simple life and warm themselves burning sheep dung.

Call me a skeptic
Reply to  rah
July 29, 2022 6:38 am

Useful idiots. The whole climate emergency meme is pushed by the global Marxists to destroy the fossil fuel based economy of the West. Hopefully we will awaken in time to defeat this nonsense.

Bryan A
Reply to  Call me a skeptic
July 29, 2022 8:50 am

It’ll probably get worse (far worse) before it turns around. It may take larger crowds rising up against XR protesters and driving them into hiding, shunning them from civilized society

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Bryan A
July 31, 2022 3:01 am

And then what: they will get guns .. Violence only leads to more violence. Society must do what it did before: ensure that law and order is the norm, and not the exception. Time in prison makes people think hard about their actions. Sue or heavily fine the media, when it publishes blatant lies or supports illegal actions.

Philo
Reply to  Call me a skeptic
July 29, 2022 10:24 am

Thw marxist tactic of trying to scare poorly educated people into destroying the rnvironment will, in the end, be a self-destroying game. Our(USA)
president has done a bangup job unwittingly starting the destruction of the climate and biosphere.

Of course, he doesn’t understand what is going on or how to safeguard civilization.
Neither do the multi-m/billionaires. The behavior of the climate is driven entirely different ways than human societies!

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Reply to  Philo
July 29, 2022 2:58 pm

The multi-m/billionaires do understand what is going on. they started it and they are the driving force behind it. They have no wish to safeguard civilisation. On the contrary, they are quite happy to destroy it for their own personal gain. In case you were wondering, that personal gain comes as renewable energy mandates and subsidies, which have now comfortably exceeded a trillion dollars.

Oldseadog
Reply to  rah
July 29, 2022 7:17 am

I don’t think the current inhabitants would welcome them.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  rah
July 29, 2022 10:59 am

Or South Georgia.

Richard Page
Reply to  rah
July 30, 2022 8:17 am

Don’t be silly, rah. You have to send them to an uninhabited island – preferably somwhere a bit more isolated. Somewhere in the Sandwich Islands gets my vote.

rah
July 29, 2022 6:32 am

They will not allow civility and I will not be cowed by their antics. As far as I’m concerned there is not a lick of difference between these climate nuts, ANTIFA, and BLM. They are all working towards the same thing.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  rah
July 29, 2022 6:55 am

Their parents failed them. Don’t feed their attention grabbing schemes. Merely ignore their “hissy fits” and allow them to hold their breath and thrash about.
But, spank them soundly and send them off to a “time-out” if they become too disruptive.

R. Morton
Reply to  Rocketscientist
July 29, 2022 2:23 pm

Hear, Hear!

BobM
Reply to  Rocketscientist
July 29, 2022 5:55 pm

Nobody will do that. We can’t even get commenters here on WUWT to ignore griff and you think anyone else will ignore other idiots?

When I see a griff drive-by-fruiting that gets ignored here, I may re-consider.

Derg
Reply to  rah
July 29, 2022 7:24 am

Yep.

Tom
July 29, 2022 6:38 am

The climate warmed into the thirties then cooled into the seventies because natural forces are insignificant and manmade CO2 was in control? Don’t think so. And then there’s the Little Ice Age. How do they not understand?

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Tom
July 29, 2022 6:50 am

They do not understand because they do not want to understand.
I suspect they grew up being petulant children coddled by weak parents. They only learned one way to get attention, and only know how to whine and throw tantrums.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Rocketscientist
July 30, 2022 2:18 pm

My finding in connection to a person who spent the best part of her life protesting and disrupting, organizing and recruiting disobedience groups, and the like was that she had a horrible relationship with her father. Years later, in a conversation with someone talking about a friend (not the protester above) who had become an angry protestor who organized sit-ins, etc., I said, oh she just had a terrible relationship with her father. His reply was how did you know!

MarkW
Reply to  Tom
July 29, 2022 10:06 am

The moral outrage they feel is the only thing that gives their pathetic lives any meaning.
They have failed at school, they have failed at finding paying jobs, so now they latch onto Marxism/Climate Alarmism to explain their failures. If they have to give up on the activism, they would have to admit that outside forces did not cause them to be failures, they did it to themselves.
And that is a step they just can’t take.

fretslider
July 29, 2022 6:42 am

“For millions of us, this summer’s heat is synonymous with an anxiety that is now impossible to shake off,”

I dispute the numbers, but the indoctrination and propaganda are paying off with younger people. Did you know that there is such a thing as a “climate anxiety denial“? It’s no good trying to tell these people to pull themselves together.

“Climate-crisis anxiety denial is everywhere. But this week it’s impossible to ignore our worries

With the country melting I can no longer distract myself from my fears about global heating. But speaking to activists has shown me how to counter this terror”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/18/climate-crisis-anxiety-denial-is-everywhere-but-this-week-its-impossible-to-ignore-our-worries

The article – and the authoress – are completely unhinged.

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Old Man Winter
Reply to  fretslider
July 29, 2022 10:08 am

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Bryan A
Reply to  Old Man Winter
July 29, 2022 12:48 pm

Beware She who Talks Affronted Prose
(How DARE You)

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Philo
Reply to  fretslider
July 29, 2022 10:35 am

“Author” doesn’t need a sex. It can apply equally to women of men.
That kind of tyrade is typical of an uneducated female. She most likely went through schoolng with no real substance. E=mC^2 is NOT a myth.

mikewaite
July 29, 2022 6:45 am

When i was the age of the youngest members of these protest groups the focus of our protests was of course nuclear disarmament , CND and the Aldermaston marches. You had no friends amongst your contemporaries if you expressed any scepticism about that topic. However the Test Ban Treaties and subsequent agreements on limiting nuclear arsenals was organised , debated and agreed by men and women in suits, representatives of nations with nuclear capability, and not by Bertrand Russell and fellow agitatirs for a nuclear- naked west.

So , i suspect , it will be with alternatives to the use of fossil fuels. There could well be a case for finding alternatives , but at present they do not compete on economic or practical terms . We need the relatively cheap (not so cheap just now admittedly) energy from the fossil fuels and nuclear power to explore, innovate and perfect the alternative energy sources . We need affordable, reliable energy fom fossil fuels in order to find alternatives .

if we ban coal from making iron and steel , ban oil from making the fibre glass vanes and lubricate bearings , ban lime burning for concrete and ban fuel oil to transport of all the components to the place of assembly , then you wont have any wind turbines, just as an example.

mikewaite
Reply to  mikewaite
July 29, 2022 6:45 am

“were organised”

CD in Wisconsin
July 29, 2022 6:59 am

“[T]he only real options become clear: meaningful and radical action or nothing at all.”

********

Easy choice. Nothing at all.

Steve Case
July 29, 2022 7:13 am

Well known lawyer lore:

     If you have the facts, pound the facts.
     If you have the law pound the law.
     If you have neither, pound the table.

The Climate Crusade is pounding the table.

fretslider
Reply to  Steve Case
July 29, 2022 7:26 am

Sad English lore…

“Can you tell me where my country lies?”
said the unifaun to his true love’s eyes.
“It lies with me!” cried the Queen of Maybe
– for her merchandise, he traded in his prize.

“Paper late!” cried a voice in the crowd.
“Old man dies!” The note he left was signed ‘Old Father Thames’
– it seems he’s drowned;
selling england by the pound.”

http://davemcnally.com/album-lyrics/selling-england-by-the-pound/genesis/

Selling England by the Pound – Genesis.

Michael in Dublin
July 29, 2022 7:39 am

If a hundred million die of starvation in the third world over the next couple of years will the climate alarmists blame climate and the EU politicians Putin for his Ukraine war, or will they be honest and accept the blame because of their foolish ideology and policies? I will not hold my breath for the latter.

fretslider
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 29, 2022 8:47 am

Rice eaters depend on, er, wheat exports.

MarkW
Reply to  fretslider
July 29, 2022 10:09 am

They depend on fertilizer, which is becoming harder to afford.
Beyond that, people who once ate those wheat exports are now going to compete for whatever grains are left, including rice.

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fretslider
Reply to  MarkW
July 29, 2022 10:18 am

It went over your head

But don’t worry, you’ve got two or three downvotes for company

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Bryan A
Reply to  fretslider
July 29, 2022 12:59 pm

It just goes to show you, never trust the Socialist or Communist ideologies to do what is best for society

Me

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

Winston Churchill

Bryan A
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 29, 2022 12:50 pm

They will blame Biden for not acting

Barnes Moore
July 29, 2022 7:45 am

Well, if they are that serious, why don’t they chain themselves to Nordstream, or better yet, blow it up. Then the could all move to Germany and experience a nice warm winter. Better yet, they could all sign up as contestants in the hit reality show “Naked & Afraid”. I doubt many would last more than a day.

jeffery P
Reply to  Barnes Moore
July 29, 2022 11:14 am

Why don’t they do a Heaven’s Gate and get it over with?

Actually, I hope they don’t. Mass suicide might elict too much sympathy.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  jeffery P
July 29, 2022 12:31 pm

St Peter would allow the glueing and organise the angel Gabriel with flaming sword to b.. them off.

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Richard Page
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 30, 2022 8:25 am

Gabriel doesn’t have a flaming sword, he’s the one with the trumpet.

Andy Pattullo
July 29, 2022 7:55 am

Human society runs and thrives on energy, 80% of which comes from fossil fuels. Which 80% of us do they propose to “euthanize”. And how will they do this quickly and effectively before the starving, cold and blighted masses destroy the environment in a last gasp at survival, that same environment these loons profess to protect.

Call me a skeptic
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
July 29, 2022 8:25 am

Actually the number is 87% from fossil fuels Less than 2% from wind and solar.

Dennis G. Sandberg
Reply to  Call me a skeptic
July 29, 2022 8:44 am

More boring facts to ignore, and that’s not going to be 86%/3% this year when looking at what is happening in Germany, China and Indonesia.

MarkW
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
July 29, 2022 10:10 am

The 80% who don’t agree that Marxism is the solution.

Rick C
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
July 29, 2022 10:47 am

Umm, suspect that the blighted masses will rise up and destroy the eco-loons and leave the environment alone.

Terry
July 29, 2022 7:57 am

One thing is certain – the soon to come end of the holocene when billions will most certainly die. Anything to stave it off is welcome.

Luke B
Reply to  Terry
July 29, 2022 8:40 am

I think that there are ways to survive it, provided that there aren’t endless political impediments. Fossil fuels and nuclear energy (suitably sited, since you might not want such a plant to get hit by an advancing glacier) would provide an advantage that simply did not exist during the little ice age. Advances in insulation technology could be helpful, though I think that between the higher-end foam insulation and aerogel that it might not actually be necessary. It could make sense to move some of the population closer to the equator, but it might be wise to plan for a situation where this lacks feasibility, for political or other reasons. It should be kept in mind that the glaciers simply will not reach their maximum extent in a few weeks; there is time to plan for it and analyze the issues involved. Abundant energy would be key, because more labor-intensive methods for growing food are likely to be needed at some stage.

MarkW
Reply to  Luke B
July 29, 2022 10:17 am

Back in the 70’s, there were proposals to dump soot on the leading edge of glaciers.If it became obvious that were slipping into a new glacial phase, a lot of relectuance toward geo-engineering would disappear.

Robert Austin
Reply to  Luke B
July 29, 2022 7:08 pm

As the polar ice sheets grow the sea level will fall exposing additional lands to accommodate the “glacially” slow southward migration away from the advancing ice sheets. Who knows what archaeological evidence was submerged by the 400 foot sea level rise as the present inter-glacial developed?

lee riffee
July 29, 2022 8:03 am

This just further shows that this whole climate alarmism thing has indeed become a religion. The protests harken back to “the end is near” sign holders who gathered on street corners (though I don’t recall reading about them being so disruptive). Yep, the old “if you don’t convert and follow what we believe, you’re gonna die!”.
Now I have no problem with people who subscribe to certain faiths (I have my own beliefs as well) but I do have a problem with those who try to ram their beliefs down others throats.
As I’ve said before, IMO a way to counter their mantra would be to re-phrase a quote from abortion activists – “If you believe fossil fuels (and their derivatives) cause climate change, then don’t use them!” Apparently these protestors always seem unable/unwilling to walk the walk with regards to that. If they truly wanted to emphasize that their belief is “right”, they would adhere to the same prohibitions they are demanding governments to force on their people. No using fossil fuels in any way, including wearing synthetic clothing! And they would only eat whatever they could forage from the land…

On a different note, I’d just love to be able to troll one (or more) of these climate protests. I’d stand there with a sign that says “stop plate tectonics” or “stop vulcanism”! My guess is many of them would be too stupid to notice, and it would have the effect of really showing the world just how stupid is the notion of being able to control the weather. No more possible than controlling the aforementioned geologic processes.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  lee riffee
July 29, 2022 9:17 am

They are just members of the Flat Climate Society….

TonyG
Reply to  lee riffee
July 29, 2022 9:27 am

“Stop entropy” is my favorite.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  TonyG
July 29, 2022 9:58 am

Yes, Stop Entropy Now, Before It Is Too Late…

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  lee riffee
July 29, 2022 11:19 am

But “they” do not accept that “we” should enjoy free choice. Freedom is a cancer.

6CA7
Reply to  lee riffee
July 29, 2022 11:33 am

The big difference between traditional religionists and the Green Religion is freedom of choice. At least since the Reformation, and the Enlightenment, and the Meiji Restoration, the religous beliefs of those in power have not been forced upon the rest of the people in most places and in most places. In most cases if you don’t belief in a religion you do not need to participate.

However, the Green Religion is increasingly intertwined with government. And governments are enacting policies and laws with the full enforcement power of government to force people to kowtow to the Green Religion. Moreover, things like ESG investing and lending policies take away free choice.

Leslie MacMillan
Reply to  lee riffee
July 29, 2022 5:07 pm

In a collective action problem it’s not enough to just say, “If you think it’s wrong to do X, then don’t do X but leave me alone to do as much X as I want.” Only if everyone stops doing X will the harmful effects of X be avoided for all. You wouldn’t expect your neighbour to let you pollute his drinking water with your untreated sewage. If you share a fishery he might want to limit his catch to make the fishery sustainable but unless he can get you to limit yours likewise his efforts will be wasted: you will catch the fish he didn’t.

What you are saying is that you don’t believe the effect of CO2 emissions from fossil fuel is bad enough for you to do anything to reduce them. You seem to think that plate tectonics and volcanos are causing the climate to warm, (which is nonsense.) The activists disagree with you and are trying to compel your cooperation. If they sincerely believe that fossil emissions are dangerous for all, then it is perfectly logical for them to try to convince government to take drastic action against you. It would be irrational for them to allow you to free ride spouting nonsense about volcanos while other people had to sacrifice.

Of course this doesn’t mean that it is *true* that CO2 from fossil fuels is so existentially dangerous that we must eliminate them tomorrow. We aren’t going to, probably ever. But you have to understand why they want to compel your behaviour. You would do the same thing to them if they were dumping their raw sewage into your well.

lee riffee
Reply to  Leslie MacMillan
July 29, 2022 9:12 pm

I think you need to go back and actually read what I said….no where did I say that I thought that plate tectonics or vulcanism are causing climate change (although they can indeed do so and have in the past and will continue to do so).
No, my analogy was to other things in which humans have no role and can do nothing to change.
You might also want to study history, ancient history to be exact. Many primitive cultures forced sacrifices on their people (and sometimes also on unlucky victims captured in warfare) in order to ensure a stable climate. I’m guess you would be OK with such a culture sacrificing an innocent victim in order to try and affect something that humans cannot possibly change?
Sorry – a totally different (and delusional) thing from someone literally causing damage to a neighbor’s property or polluting a well or whatever….

Olen
July 29, 2022 8:03 am

Words like collective is a reminder of communism.

Andy Espersen
July 29, 2022 8:18 am

I am not at all surprised to learn of fanatics for one cause or another – we have had such around forever. But it surprises me that nowadays authorities think these fanatics really have a sort of right to destroy property or stop other people live their lives – just because they are somewhat sympathetic to this particular cause.

This crowd are actually quite few in numbers. Every country on the globe has legislation that can easily stop their behaviour. For example, a fire-hose of water turned fully on to those brainwashed kids lying on a road (together with their adult, fanatic teachers) would send them all howling back to Mummy in no time.

Are we not obliged to follow the law at all times? Why do we not?

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Andy Espersen
July 29, 2022 10:09 am

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Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Andy Espersen
July 29, 2022 11:20 am

Think of the children!

Climate believer
July 29, 2022 8:27 am

I suggest you take your silly little protest to China… I mean you’re saving the planet right?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Climate believer
July 29, 2022 11:13 am

China is the place to go and complain if they were serious.

Trying to Play Nice
July 29, 2022 8:36 am

I’m tired of the British beta-twits complaining about their “unprecedented high temperatures”. Where I live we had those temperatures a few times in the 1980s. Since then it has not come close. I think that means it is settled science that we are in a period of global cooling.

fretslider
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
July 29, 2022 8:40 am

“I’m tired of the British beta-twits complaining about their “unprecedented high temperatures”

As sick as we are of hearing you moan about vacant beta-twits like Biden, Harris, Gore, Heinz-Kerry, Ardern, Trudeau, Albanese et al? I find that hard to believe.

You didn’t hear it from the peoples of the islands, you heard it from the Waffen-media – and you obviously swallowed it hook, line, sinker and copy of the Angling Times.

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mal
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
July 29, 2022 8:07 pm

I live in Arizona our normal high is 42 C this time a year for the last week and half all we have hit is 37. We have yet to hit 47 C or above this year am I to assume we are having global cooling?

ResourceGuy
July 29, 2022 8:40 am
fretslider
Reply to  ResourceGuy
July 29, 2022 8:46 am

Compared to the experiences of their grandfathers and great grandfathers on the Ostfront it’s a doddle.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  ResourceGuy
July 29, 2022 10:05 am


Kalt Wasser ist wunderbar. Danke, Mutti!

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Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Old Man Winter
July 29, 2022 12:34 pm

‘kaltes’

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Old Man Winter
July 30, 2022 5:17 am

I think Goethe and Schubert understood the green mentality.

Das Wasser rauscht’, das Wasser schwoll,
Netzt’ ihm den nackten Fuß;
Sein Herz wuchs ihm so sehnsuchtsvoll
Wie bei der Liebsten Gruß.
Sie sprach zu ihm, sie sang zu ihm;
Da war’s um ihn geschehn:
Halb zog sie ihn, halb sank er hin,
Und ward nicht mehr gesehn.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  ResourceGuy
July 29, 2022 4:41 pm

And when the water pumps no longer work they will have to fetch it by bucket from the nearest river.

Rob_Dawg
July 29, 2022 8:55 am

Oliver Wendell Holmes quoted by Scotty Mattraw in Printing Buyers’ News: “If you’re weak on the facts and strong on the law, pound the law. If you’re weak on the law and strong on the facts, pound the facts. If you’re weak on both, pound the table.”

Welcome to the table pounding phase.

The Dark Lord
July 29, 2022 9:08 am

civility ? once again thats like the sheep asking the wolf what’s for lunch … they want us dead … shoot the wolf and roast him over an open fire …

Disputin
Reply to  The Dark Lord
July 30, 2022 3:54 am

Why waste the ammo?

TonyG
July 29, 2022 9:10 am

[T]he people now lying in roads and charging into airports and refineries have conveyed the urgency of climate their mental breakdown more successfully than anyone in a suit.

Fixed it.

michel
July 29, 2022 9:57 am

The extraordinary thing is their unquestioned assumption that Net Zero in the UK will make any difference to this supposed crisis.

It obviously cannot. 450 million tons a year CO2 emissions, out of a world total of 37 billion, and rising.

We are going to be at 40 billion tons a year global by 2030. So if the UK goes to zero it will be 39.5 billion. Does anyone seriously believe that will make any difference?

But these guys really seem to believe that closing down petroleum use in the UK sill somehow make all the difference.

If the UK really does achieve Net Zero and all its emissions vanish, no-one will even notice, and it will not lower global emissions by any amount whose effects can be measured. Its so completely irrational and misguided.

For what its worth, my impression is that all this posturing and agitation about race, gender and climate is provoking a real backlash in the UK at the moment. The UK, remember, gave us Monty Python. And showed Corbyn the way out. And dispensed with Enoch Powell. They may take a long time waking up, but when they do its a mixture of telling the lunatics to get lost and making them the object of total pointed ridicule.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  michel
July 29, 2022 4:46 pm

United Kingdom 00.87% of world CO2 emissions and only half of this is not natural i.e. 0.5%.
If they were to return to the stone age and reach Zero Carbon – bar a few smoky wood fires – this is going to make a huge dent in the total emissions considering Asia is building 200 new coal fired power stations.
(Source EDGAR)

Richard Page
Reply to  michel
July 30, 2022 8:35 am

That’s got nothing to do with what they’re doing. The whole point to the marches, the occupying and sitting in roads, etc. isn’t to actually accomplish anything, it’s so that their neighbours, friends and families can see and be proud of their virtue. If they went to another country, whether they accomplished anything or not, who would see them? We need to keep up the arrests but stop the publicity and reporting, the membership will soon get disillusioned and wither away.

MarkW
July 29, 2022 9:59 am

Violence has been the first fall back position for progressives going back generations.
Don’t give them what they want, they turn to violence until they get their way.
The really sad thing is how often a violent minority is able to force their will onto the general population.

Chris Nisbet
July 29, 2022 10:01 am

Although they are a problem, I think these protesters are the least of our worries (for now). The unending onslaught by MSM and pretty much _everybody_ in politics, and even many businesses, all talking about ‘the’ climate crisis, misrepresenting any/all weather events as evidence of ‘climate change’, makes them far more dangerous than these nut jobs.
The onslaught seems to be working as well. I have heard from otherwise intelligent people who throw logic out the door when it comes to ‘climate change’. They have no problem with the idea that any bad weather they see is due to ‘climate change’. E.g. despite predictions (based on IPCC reports) that rainfall in Canterbury (NZ) will change little over the coming decades, and if it does it will _decrease_ a few percent on average (a surprisingly reasonable prediction), recent heavy rains in that area are apparently evidence of ‘climate change’. We can’t have it both ways, can we?

Aren’t these protesters just a result of this onslaught? If all they hear from MSM and everybody elected to govern us that the end is nigh, it’s no surprise to me that we get a few people who actually believe them.

Chris Nisbet
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
July 29, 2022 11:21 am

Here’s a wonderful example of what we’re subjected to here in NZ…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/05/alarming-new-statistics-reveal-new-zealand-s-sea-level-could-rise-30cm-in-next-10-to-20-years.html

30mm/year (more if it doesn’t start happening right away)? Seriously? If I didn’t have a sceptical mind and I thought that burping cows were causing this (some people do), I might take to the streets as well.

We can set the hoses onto as many protesters as we like, but we’d be spraying it in the wrong direction.

MarkW
July 29, 2022 10:02 am

Civility please.

How does one have a civil discussion with someone who wants to kill you?

ThinkingScientist
July 29, 2022 10:56 am

“The key question of 2022 is not whether those people are wrong, both factually and morally: we know the answer to that…. ”

Opinions vary and a measure of a free and open society is how much we tolerate people speaking opinions you do not agree with.

Unless you are an ecofascist. Then the only opinions that are right are your own, however extreme they might be.

I am scientist and a sceptic. I have moments when I consider how my sceptical views on climate change could be wrong, that I have got it wrong. I have self doubt, self reflection and, I think, that demonstrates some measure of self awareness and humility.

That possibility never seems to occur to these ecoextremists. They burn with a quasi-religious fervour, the same that drives crusades and jihad and pogroms.

I am happy to have a rational, grown up debate. It seems the climate activists will never turn up to that debate though. That point alone is enough to damn them in my view.

It will end in tears. The ecofascists will inevitably lose because reality is impassive and utterly immovable.

drednicolson
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 29, 2022 1:49 pm

Only the completely insane are completely convinced of their own sanity.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
July 29, 2022 11:09 am

“Act like the truth is real” and “Act like the truth is true”. Wow, how profound. We should listen closely to these people.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
July 29, 2022 12:25 pm

A doomsayer always sounds profound, whatever it is he or she is saying.

Caligula Jones
July 29, 2022 11:33 am

Well, I said years ago that sooner or later, these fanatics will start self-immolating like those Vietnamese monks did…and sure enough, one of the idiots did so recently. My condolences to his family.

As for the fools gluing themselves to paintings: if the authorities really wanted to stop it (hint: they don’t), they would set their fines at the cost of restoring it, and when one of those shadowy groups pays the fine, start going up the ladder…

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 29, 2022 11:52 am

Indoctrinators throughout history just loved those indoctrinated with the ability to convey the brainwash with such eloquence.

Tom Abbott
July 29, 2022 12:12 pm

Too bad these climate crisis protestors didn’t go to the annual Republican/Democrat baseball game in Washington DC yesterday.

Apparently, the congressional baseball players take their baseball game seriously as there were climate crisis protestors there who said they were protesting congress playing games while the world burns, but the congresscritters were having none of it and three of the climate crisis protestors were arrested and hauled off by the police.

The game was not disrupted.

Last edited 2 months ago by Tom Abbott
jimmywalter
July 29, 2022 12:50 pm

2030 is getting closer. That will be when the next Little Ice Age slaps the world in the face. That is why they are desperate. Not because of global warming but because their lies will be blown to little pieces

6CA7
Reply to  jimmywalter
July 29, 2022 1:25 pm

They will just say their policies worked so we need to not back slide. They will ignore that the atmosperic co2 concentration trend was not affected and the claimed correlation was blown to pieces. And people will believe them.

Chris Nisbet
Reply to  jimmywalter
July 29, 2022 2:14 pm

Aah, you’ve forgotten that global warming causes cooling.

R. Morton
July 29, 2022 2:21 pm

This is really rather simple: Is there a “climate emergency” – yes or no?
If your answer is “yes” – then PROVE IT.

If you cannot prove it via the use/application of empirical data/evidence, then you and your claims will be dismissed – and the rest of the world can get on with living alongside cheap and affordable energy.

Problem solved.

Last edited 2 months ago by R. Morton
Dave Fair
July 29, 2022 6:03 pm

These fringe groups are saying that ordinary people should get up in arms when disaster is predicted and support fundamentally altering our society, economy and energy systems. I would point out it is only activists, politicians and profiteers that are screaming “disaster ahead.” Even the UN IPCC doesn’t claim disaster ahead in its reports.

roaddog
July 30, 2022 6:09 am
roaddog
July 30, 2022 6:13 am
July 30, 2022 9:55 am

Police action, please. To arrest the violent disrupters, the trashers, the road blockers, the criminal trespassers. Arrest, charge, fine, jail, or in the UK, gaol.

It’s been more than enough. Toleration by the authorities ends.

Bob
July 30, 2022 10:38 pm

Eric Worrall?

Last edited 1 month ago by Bob
tygrus
August 2, 2022 4:19 am

The climate rebellion activities increase GHG emissions. This should be highlighted in every news report of their protests that interfere with transport or hanging off related structures.

Traffic jams or snarls means cars waste more energy. The fire, ambulance & police all have to drive to the locations. They may also need a toe truck, cherry picker or another vehicle. Equipment & lights need energy which typically comes from fossil fuels. They might use chemicals (eg. Hydrocarbons) to remove glue. Refrigerated trucks & containers use more fuel to keep contents cold while being delayed.

Some patients in Brisbane were affected by protests, missing appointments, surgery & treatment incl. cancer patients. At this rate they will cause more impact than they can change of AGW.

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