Essay by Eric Worrall
A glorious vision of green steel, green cement, green fertiliser, green hydrogen and a green energy export business. Prosperity revitalised. Shame the numbers don’t add up.
Albanese just laid out a radical new vision for Australia in the region: clean energy exporter and green manufacturer
John Mathews Professor Emeritus, Macquarie Business School, Macquarie University
Elizabeth Thurbon Scientia Associate Professor in International Relations / International Political Economy, UNSW Sydney
Hao Tan Associate Professor, Newcastle Business School, University of Newcastle
Sung-Young Kim Senior Lecturer in International Relations, Discipline of Politics & International Relations, Macquarie School of Social Sciences, Macquarie University
Published: July 14, 2022 6.03am AEST
Our clean and green transition is bigger than just renewables
Since Labor took office, we’ve heard a lot about our future as a renewables superpower. Often overlooked is the fact this would mean not just generating renewable electricity and green hydrogen at vast scale but also investing in new industries and processes to grasp as many opportunities as we can.
This would mean investing in upstream industries such as solar array fabrication and electrolyser manufacture, as well as downstream industries such as green steel, green cement and green fertiliser. These new green products would be produced using locally generated supplies of green hydrogen and cheap clean renewable power, as economist Ross Garnaut has outlined.
Green energy is no longer a niche concern. Australia’s largest companies are leading the way.
Andrew Forrest’s new spin-off company, Fortescue Future Industries, has begun constructing a $1 billion project building green hydrogen manufacturing components, cabling and renewable generation in central Queensland. This single project is expected to double the global production capacity of green hydrogen. It will make Queensland home to a new green hydrogen fuel and components export industry.
If our new government can pull this off and turn vision to reality, we could embrace a new green growth economy and begin our own green industrial revolution.
Better yet, Australia could finally make full use of its abundant land and renewable resources to fast-track the clean economic development of our Indo-Pacific neighbours.
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Read more: https://theconversation.com/albanese-just-laid-out-a-radical-new-vision-for-australia-in-the-region-clean-energy-exporter-and-green-manufacturer-186815
I understand why people who prize order find this vision beautiful. The world remade, happy workers toiling in the sun, building a better future. A daydream, a worker’s paradise. In my experience though, the authors of such visions rarely picture themselves toiling in the sun alongside the other workers.
The vision of course is false. The numbers don’t add up, and have never added up. S&P’s massive copper shortfall. Billions of tons of material we just don’t have, a government funded chimera, a colossal, doomed waste of resources which will leave us poorer.
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But it uses so many buzzwords the math does not matter/s
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MODS: need to insert a “Comment Deleted” note too.
Otherwise the Reply comments get out of kilter.
It is better to remove the entire comment to eliminate it fully from the thread.
Yeah but as I said, the reply comments get out of kilter.
HotScot’s reply above is not in reply to Tom Halla’s comment.
And so on . . .
I’d say the backgrounds of the authors don’t add up
That’s the beauty of magical thinking. Like with Peter Pan, all you need to do is Believe.
And every time I say “Net ZEro is bollocks” a woke greenie dies. Wouldn’t it be nice . . . . . . .
That’s fiction!…
Nonsense. Peter Pan and Tinkerbell are in the WH right now.
There are a couple of characters in the WH now but they sure aren’t those two. Peter Pan and Tinkerbell wouldn’t set foot in the WH.
It would be fun to think of the characters who would but it’s late and I’m going to bed.
They would most likely do a better job than Dementia Joe and Commie Kamala.
“They would most likely do a better job than Dementia Joe and
CommieCackling Kamala.”— corrected.
Not slur fiction by associating it with The Conversation, please.
Don’t forget the fairy dust.
Is that “make believe?”
A glorious vision of green steel, green cement, green fertilizer, green hydrogen and a green energy export business.
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https://youtu.be/FQBISd0rZpA?t=40
But I like gray cement.
(I’d love to have a green lawn. But a green driveway…)
You can get green (red, brown, probably any color … I haven’t seen blue) but green, like all green stuff, costs about 30% more.
Not a single technical type there. Why should they be good at math?
My thoughts too: none of them are engineers or hard scientists. They have spent a lifetime in academia producing nothing of any worth. (I notice that John Matthews is into the “circular economy” – junk theory)
If you scratch any these green things is there red underneath?
It should be – it’s all built on blood.
Once again I find myself fretting over whether this Greenie CAGW crowd is stupid, dishonest, or some combination of the two. However, for sure it’s the same thing as our parents told us: follow the money.
I had a conversation once with someone who used to be a friend, about why capitalism is better than socialism. He explained the problem with capitalism is its like a weed patch, messy, disordered, everything all over the place. Then he gave me the socialist parable of the well ordered garden – productive vegetables neatly planted in rows, weeds removed, fruit trees carefully pruned and tended.
My reply was “the problem with your parable is we’re the weeds”.
He’s now a die hard green.
Socialism? Orderly?
I don’t think anyone has ever accused Joe Biden of that.
“the problem with your parable is we’re the weeds”
Nomination: Best Comeback Evah! (still ROFLMAO 15 min later)
He was destined to join a cult & the Commie Cult got there first!
What is not to like about socialism you get to stay home and play computer games and you get your living wage and percentage of the countries resources for free. What could possibly go wrong with that vision 🙂
Were Russian citizens sent in an orderly fashion to the gulags?
Glavnoye Upravleniye Ispravitelno-Trudovykh Lagerey ,
Chief Administration of Corrective Labour Camps
https://gulagmap.ru
The Industrial Revolution put a satisfactory end to our last Green Utopia; its principle features being – poverty, starvation, appalling health, a short hard life and dreadful child mortality rates.
Unlike Mao’s revolution, which REINTRODUCED poverty, starvation, appalling health, a short hard life and dreadful child mortality rates.
To be fair, much of China had never gotten beyond the poverty, starvation, appalling health, short hard life, and dreadful child mortality. Mao just ensured that those evil people who had managed to improve their lives without worshiping him, were cut down. (Some of) the people following Mao had their lives improved.
Most people who were educated and intelligent, or proficient in the arts, were, let us say, eliminated. Those who remained were the well-known sheep, cowed and obedient to Mao! These are the ones who are currently working the factories and mills. They saw the light, and have no intention of ending up like the others, so yearnings for freedom are FAR from their minds!
Note the year 1973 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-hydrogen-economy/
LOL :-). When I was a kid I couldn’t afford helium, so I used to make hydrogen to fill party balloons using cheap household chemicals. They were so unstable, the slightest mistake filling them and they exploded violently – worse than messing with nitroglycerine, which I also once made. Sometimes they just exploded at random, even after being successfully filled. I never brought any inside the house.
I used to tie firecrackers or candles to them, except one time I made a big bunch and tied 10 firecrackers to them. Too much weight! They failed to lift off, floated around head height. We all hit the deck real quick. The explosion, from 6 party balloons filled with less than an ounce of hydrogen total rattled the windows of the house 50 yards away, and my mum came out to tell us off.
Lets just say I’m not going to be front of the queue to buy a hydrogen automobile.
LOL I’m a chemist (retired) BTW
Careful Eric.
Twiggy will be offering you a job.
A friend of mine talked of filling balloons with an oxyacetylene rig, attaching a brick and a short fuse, and dropping a paper bag with the lit assembly in street intersections from a moving car after dark. They’d usually be a couple blocks away before it woke the neighborhood. Never their neighborhood.
But this time it’ll be different.
Interestingly a good oxy-acetylene explosion is much better than a plain hydrogen-air one, its the carbon and oxygen that does it. Now consider why hydrogen cars are a really bad idea, I know, it is because Carbon is a much better fuel! So petrol is best…..
Agreed, and I will NOT be buying an electric vehicle in this lifetime, either! All I see in news is stories about them exploding and/or bursting into flames! When one does ignite there isn’t any electricity to even open the doors! The ONLY good thing I have ever read about them is how QUIET they are, especially when they stop running.
Doubling nothing, is nothing isn’t it?
Hm, I wonder where they are getting the electricity from? It seems that everyone is short already, so the price will rocket up, and all to save the planet?
A mere detail. The left knows precisely what it’s doing……….
They will clear a huge area of farmland and forest for Renewables. It’s where I live in Qld. Then a huge area of desert in Western Australia, you will see it from space. Water to clean the panels,,, a giant deal plant powered by more panels.
The environmental impact will be truly devastating, possibly tens of square miles.
I always get a kick out of Greenies who accuse libertarians of imagining an impossible utopia. There’s a big difference between a fiscal and physical impossibility and a mere philosophical unlikeliness.
It will leave us poorer, but it will leave them richer. Which after all, was the real goal.
Green – wet behind the ears – politician
Jam tomorrow as they say…
We have reached a point where we are forced to finance virtuous sounding programs instigated by math and economics challenged celebrities who become celebrities simply by espousing their virtuous sounding program time and time again in the various media outlets….who are voted into power by those who simply recognize the celebrity names on the ballot…those voters being a larger percentage than the voters who actually study what the candidates have said. In the end, the situation probably will result in a citizen’s revolt with a dictator holding the reins of power.
Just watched Justin Rowlatt go full Griff on BBC News tonight
Get better soon!
Typical exaggeration with usual lies thrown in to promise everyone life will be better if you just follow the ideology.
Greenhorn.
Someone who hasn’t a clue.
If the cap fits …….. .
Merle Haggard
Here’s another:
https://youtu.be/JWminVCg3TA?t=1
“…we could embrace a new green growth economy”
How many solar panel cleaners will be needed?
You do’t imagine anyone will be paid do you?
Is that the 21st Century version of a chimney sweep?
Mr. slider: Dunno how many, but Jill Biden says they’ll be as diverse as breakfast tacos!! So, probably alot.
Certainly are a lot of critically thinking challenged folks out there. Let’s use ‘green’ wind and solar that is inherently expensive and intermittent to power inherently (because of intermittency) underutilized electrolyzers to make green hydrogen which we cannot store or transport unless liquified cryogenically via more inherently expensive and intermittant wind and solar in a therefore inherently underutilized (because of intermittency) cryogenic liquifaction facility.
Great concept, green hydrogen. Except not in reality. Going to be a lot of wasted $Aus. Will make Solyndra look cheap.
A Rube Goldberg machine where the parts don’t work.
“Nothing “green” ever works properly.”
Glorious vision of green..
This is the green build back better LOONS in a nutshell..
Magic batteries for all…
A 50’s tv show…My favorite episode ever 😉 If you have a 1/2 hour to kill, this is a great video..
Science Fiction Theatre The Magic Suitcase
An old man and his grandson invite a lost hitchhiker to stay the night at their vacation cabin. The stranger disappears, but leaves behind a suitcase that generates huge amounts of electricity. Grandpa turns it over to scientists who are clueless as to how this simple device makes so much power.
My favorite episode ever 😉
https://dai.ly/x25362c
I saw that episode when if first aired. Then I thought of myself as the grandson, now I’m the granddad. But neither of us was dumb enough to believe it.
All of us poorer has always been the goal as I discovered when I did a paper for english comp 25 years ago. Not only that, but they feel that all the land between the Cascades-Sierra Mountains and the Rockies should be human free AND the ‘sustainable’ human population, world wide, should be 200million.
Ah yes, green utopia. We won’t mind that we”re all broke , freeze in the winter and swelter in the summer. Because of course, we would be living in a green utopia. Thank God for the 2nd amendment. 500 million guns in the US tells me the greenies will not be successful here.
Covid death shots are no respecters of firearms.
Some of us remain purebloods, and continue to refuse to get the death shot.
I’m still waiting for the trials to finish in 2023 before making my decision.
Damn, I thought that it was 500 million.
Apparently 100 million have been lost in boating accidents…
edit: oops, wrong reply
Nice picture, except Comrade Albanese’s profile is hidden by the lady’s arm.