From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
MAY 3, 2022
By Paul Homewood
While polls show overwhelming support for Net Zero, it appears that very few actually want to pay for it!
The poll for Express.co.uk has shown that 53 percent will only support ending traditional gas boilers if they do not need to pay more for the alternative. Another 14 percent oppose the ban altogether while a mere 28 percent support it whatever the cost.
The results come amid fears carbon neutral heat pumps for houses will cost between £15,000 and £22,000 to install, crippling people in the cost of living crisis.
Under current plans, new homes will not be allowed gas central heating from 2025 and will have to use heat pumps or other alternatives.
From 2035, the Government plans to ban all new gas boilers altogether meaning that any replacement from then will have to be environmentally friendly.
Along with electric cars, which currently cost significantly more than petrol and diesel vehicles, there is a significant concern that people will be unable to afford the so called Green alternatives.
The findings of the poll have boosted calls for a referendum on Boris Johnson’s Net Zero plans which he agreed at the COP26 summit in Glasgow and at G7 meeting in Cornwall both last year.
Reform Party leader Richard Tice, who has led demands for a referendum on the Net Zero by 2050 goal, said: “There is no prospect of alternatives to gas boilers being cost neutral or actually costing less.
“That means this poll confirms that around seven in 10 people oppose these plans and only just over one in four support them.”
He went on: “It shows that Boris Johnson and the Government are completely out of touch with the views and concerns on this issue with ordinary people across Britain.
“With the cost of living crisis people are really despairing on how they can afford to pay the bills and this government is just adding to them with these green measures.
“It is all unnecessary and totally irresponsible.”
We may not want to pay but the Parliamentary dictatorship rools
And Farage has disappeared again
Don’t get a smart meter
I had one installed only last week!
Works beautifully and I have a handy gadget displaying cost of electricity as I use it…
Does it also tell you where your electricity comes from?
Griff – that meter is ultimately going to be used to control your energy consumption.
Fine – but the current wish list energy planning is going to leave the grid sliding down a slippery slope of diminishing input supply and therefore demand can only be “met” by reducing it.
The idiots with the smart meters will be the first to be turned off.
Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
On the upside when his/hers/its power is turned off it/he/her won’t be able to make stupid comments due to not being able to charge phone/tablet/laptop. On the downside if at that point he/her/it has an epiphany we’ll never know….or care.
Don’t complain when your smart meter cuts off your power to protect the grid from collapse.
Hi Griff, I have one installed and can’t see how it can possibly help to save money. The red light just came on and my wife was boiling the kettle. The only way to shut the red light off was to stop the kettle. It’s the same when using the oven or microwave, the red light comes on, so what do you do.
I got one because it was easy to read the meters rather than climbing through bushes to get to one of them. Apart from that I can’t see any benefit for the consumer.
Maybe the only saving might be if the kids are secretly “mining for crypto currency” in their bedrooms.
It has a red warning light on it?
So no more tea time?
Useful for rationing and even switching you off
I’m told they do that beautifully, too
You should be off the grid, just use solar panels, do the right thing and pretend to be green.
The novelty will wear off Griff, even for you.
But at least Griff will be able to experience the consequences of the Green Revolution when his power is cut off.
Why aren’t you off grid with your solar panels and battery storage you hypocrite … or as mini stupid would say “How dare You”
Cool.. can I interest you in a bridge?
If your meter is so smart why doesn’t it tell you there is no climate crises, so get out and have a life?
And how long now since you had installed the diesel generator, griff?
How many years, griff?
Griff is proud to be part of the 28%
Do you have a heatpump? And/or EV?
Only last week, huh?
Good thing you didn’t get it installed next week or you may have missed this entire thread.
People have tried refusing them. The utility cuts off your service.
Which means that, essentially, the voters don’t understand what “net zero” means. Here in Australia the csiro has estimated a trillion dollars. One can almost guarantee that this is on the low side. They want net zero but how do they think its achieved. ??
People are only that stupid in the media
Brexit, for example
Well Surprise Surprise! @ Gomer Pyle.
Same response in Australia.
A good idea, but I dont want to pay for it!
Virtual signaling and saying you support net zero is okay when it doesn’t cost you anything. A referendum on net zero would be a great idea as then both sides of the argument would have to be legally heard and the BBC wouldn’t be able to censor sceptics.
Quote:“Along with electric cars, which currently cost significantly more than petrol and diesel vehicles
Yes absolutely but pay attention out there..
Manufacturers and dealers, bless their little cotton socks, are doing their utmost to soften the blow
In (yet another) one of those unspoken cartels that Governments Mandates create, they are ramping up the prices of existing petrol/diesel cars.
And I lied, not ‘unspoken’ because Governent has changed the way Road Tax is paid. –
An epic lump sum is payable upon purchase of any new vehicle, in return for lower annual payments across the life of the vehicle.
(Is it one of them Piggo Taxes because a lot of what’s collected is effectively handed over to buyers of EVs)
Quote:“The results come amid fears carbon neutral heat pumps for houses will cost between £15,000 and £22,000 to install, crippling people in the cost of living crisis.
This is blatant out and out cronyism.
Go check Alibaba or even out there on your local eBay.
You can find stand-alone air-source heat pumps intended for heating swimming pools. They contain all the workings needed for ‘pumping heat’ and are fitted with 2 pipe-fittings:
One = In and the other = Out
To ‘harvest’ the heat being pumped you push cold water into one and lo-and-behold, heated water comes out the other.
Any reasonably competent handyman could make sense of that in a house that already has any sort of pre-existing heating system.
Or he could get ‘all creative and artistic’ and construct some of his own convectors ##
(##) wrongly called ‘radiators’ but all true students of Climate Science know the precise and exact difference.
And, from Alibaba, those ‘swimming pool’ heat pumps come at a price tag of circa £200 per kiloWatt of heat output.
Notice the Factor of Ten (up to twenty in this case) that Cronies typically use when pricing their ‘services’
Another major technical fail. A heat pump that outputs water at say 25C for a swimming pool is not a lot of good to drive any existing heating installation. It could be used with underfloor heating but this is very expensive to retrofit! Then there is the efficiency (COP) to consider. These pumps appear cost-effective because of the small temperature difference between input and output, but the COP is inversely proportional to this difference. For wet heating (radiators) you need water at 70C or so, but the COP at this from -10C is less than 2! So 2kW of heat for each kW of electricity. BUT the electrical system is only about 50% efficient, so you have gained nothing. On a hot day you can have lots of heat cheaply, on a cold one it is staggeringly expensive! Britain is generally cold, most of the USA very cold in winter. Heat pumps are a myth from idiots because it sounds good, but then they have no knowledge of thermodynamics or engineering in general.
Heat pumps are limited by Thermodynamics, so are most efficient when they are least needed.
If the outside temperature was maybe 1.5C higher, it would really help those pumps to be more efficient! 🙂
What about hot water, which is a fundamental requirement of any domestic heating system? In many, I believe the vast majority of cases with heat pumps though I’d be happy to be corrected if I am wrong, an additional form of heating is required to provide hot water at a temperature high enough for domestic use.
Typically this would be an immersion heater, which though cheap to install is very expensive to run and therefore dramatically reduces any potential cost benefits of a heat pump. While this might change at some point in the future right now it makes using a heat pump a very expensive option for most people.
I like my gas fired tankless hot water heater which costs far less to run than the gas fired hot water tank in my last house. It requires only about 1 therm per month to operate (< $0.60). Of course, an electric version with similar specs would need a 100A circuit and cost an arm and a leg to operate.
The “2 finger salute” would be more appropriate
Why do we want to be net zero?
“Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious” – George Orwell.
And the obvious question is, “Why do we want to be net zero?”
And then there’s this quote from another Brit:
The right response to the non-problem of global warming is to have the courage to do nothing.
Yep, as the great Ronald Reagan used to say, “Don’t just do something, stand there!”
Answer: we don’t, but the Globalists and Marxist do.
Yeah, we’ve just got to “vote harder” that’ll work /s
Until we Brits collectively stop voting for idiots, nothing is going to change. Maybe a prolonged period of financial pain will wake us up but I won’t hold my breath.
Do you believe that if nobody at all voted at the next election Parliament would pack up and go home?
Brenda would appoint…..
It seems, at present, that the Tories are the least extreme of the other parties in their push for “Net Zero”. It really is a dilemma as not voting only lets the extremists have a free run.
This is an important point. Whatever depths of green stupidity bojo sinks to, Labour, the Lib-Dumbs, the SNP, the token Green all moan that he isn’t going far enough, fast enough. None of them have a clue what the costs are going to be, let alone have any idea over what it’ll actually achieve (b*gger all) – not that they care about either – it’s all about virtue signalling on an epic scale.
“It seems, at present, that the Tories are the least extreme of the other parties”
Only slightly. They are fully on board with the woke agenda.
But they’ve homogenized political positions particularly in Europe (Do you think BoJo is right wing?) We’re getting there in Canada, but at least we had the only Conservative PM in the British Commonwealth for a couple of terms during the global financial crisis a dozen years ago. At the time, Canada was the only G7 (+ the rest of the world) who did not have a recession). I fear now our conservative klatch may be of the Cameron/May/BoJo genre.
The problem is everyone who wants votes is an idiot, lib dem, Conservative, Labour they all spout the same green crap and realistically only two of them stand a chance. Hopefully come the next election there will be someone worth a protest vote otherwise I don’t think I’ll bother. What ever happened to the Raving Monster Looney Party?
Heat pumps are not carbon neutral. Even the geothermal sourced ones use electricity. About as carbon neutral as the coal-fired car. Who thinks up these things?
Here in the states air-sourced heat pumps are the standard, pretty much. But in states that go well below zero in the winter they almost always have a gas or electric heating backup. Hard to suck a lot of heat out of sub-zero air.
Nothing carbon neutral about burning coal to make electricity to run compressors and motors to heat your place.
Hydrogen is no better, mostly using natural gas to make the hydrogen.
They must be watching too many old movies. If we legislate it, it will come.
Well there’s virtually no coal powered electricity in the UK and in two years time there won’t be any.
And there is no reliable wind or solar power and in a hundred years time there will still be no reliable wind or solar power in the UK
But there will be plenty of coal for our descendants to benefit from. They’ll be grateful we left it for them, but baffled why we stopped using it.
Griff missed a word
Well there’s virtually no coal powered electricity in the UK and in two years time there won’t be any electricity.
Which is precisely why we and the rest of Europe, especially Germany and Italy are now paying for Putin to kill innocent people while those who can least afford it are having to make decisions whether to heat their homes or feed their kids.
Isn’t that wonderful, griff.
“in two years time there won’t be any”
Griff, would you then be happy to disconnect from the (dirty) grid and rely on your own solar and wind power until all fossil fuel generators are decommissioned?
Griff supports Putin 🙂
We note the UK hasn’t banned Oil and Gas from Russia because like other EU countries it would push your costs up.
So you like the rest of Europe pay Putin to wage war and even Greenpeace and the Guardian are calling you out.
“We note the UK hasn’t banned Oil and Gas from Russia because like other EU countries it would push your costs up.”
We buy next to nothing from Vlad.
We concentrate on the islamic nutters… and Norway.
That’s why there is no ban. How do you ban nothing?
By the way, we aren’t in the EU. Did you ever hear about Brexit? No?
You perhaps need to do some checking and I am happy to concede I needed to remove the word “other” from above.
UK has imported £220m of oil from Russia since Ukraine invasion or 1.9 million barrels, or 257,000 tonnes of oil in whatever unit you choose.
I don’t know what the gas imports are in that time given they do supply 5% of UK total but I suspect it is equally high.
I am not sure that qualifies as nothing but Boris must be feeling guilty because he has agreed to around £360m in support to Ukraine so far.
The EU has also not banned oil and gas imports from Russia – although I note with interest that the UK plan to ban Russian oil and gas will take effect months before the EU’s plan – if the EU can actually achieve it at all. If Greenpeace and the Guardian are opposed to it then it must be workable at the very least!
This prompted me up update my “GB Grid” data (from 31/3) to yesterday (May the 4th, i.e. “Star Wars day”).
Looks like the idea of relying on interconnectors (ICTs) to Europe to “save us on calm days” may be fictional as well …
Just to cheer everyone up, a reminder of what’s in store for the GB electricity grid regarding the “Coal” and “Nuclear” options over the next few years …
Heat pumps only make some sense in the southern US – any place where nights in winter seldom ever go below freezing. And no idea why anyone would think that running a compressor is energy efficient….they are instead electricity hogs! I’d think it would be far more efficient to heat one’s house by only having to run a blower motor (to circulate heat around the house by forced air) or water pump (for radiator/baseboard heating). Running a compressor is necessary if you want A/C (cooling or refrigeration) but is a highly inefficient way of generating heat. Especially when that heat often has to be added to by other sources like electric resistance heating.
The Express is not a reputable media source!
Now that is something I agree with you on, Griff mate
You’re such a reputable idiot.
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Griff is not a reputable source of Science or Engineering.
He isn’t a reputable source on any subject … he mimics whatever his masters tell him to say like any paid troll.
While other completely unreliable sources are market research findings claiming people “support net zero”, which we hear about all the time in media such as ‘The Guardian’. The fact people support something means absolutely nothing. What does matter is whether they’re prepared to do anything about it; and here you’ll find very different results.
In truth I’m sure the findings of this survey are conservative in that many of those who claim they’d pay anything to achieve net zero in reality would not and do not. People frequently give answers to such surveys according to what they believe they should say rather than what they actually do.
“The Express is not a reputable media source!”
Even if it is a Daily Mirror/Trinity Mirror – now Reach – newspaper.
The Guardian should display a [mental] health warning on its front pages – like tobacco and other harmful products do.
Don’t you agree?
Nor is the Guardian
This from a grauniad reader..
Granted you are British, Griff, but here is what a quintessential American, Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) said about newspapers: “If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re mis-informed.” That is especially true of media claims about future climate change and assertions of increasing frequency and intensity of extreme weather. When somebody says “unprecedented” you need to be sure they are including all events stretching back 100 years or so.
There are no reliable sources for anything: You need to independently verify everything that would materially affect your or society’s wellbeing. Government spending large sums on schemes that would cost you and the economy significantly and radically change your or others’ lifestyles seems to qualify for the utmost scrutiny of things you are being told.
Until you are able to show people where you have truly investigated the things you are regurgitating from government and media nobody will listen to you about global warming or anything else. That means your being able to accurately reproduce arguments from differing viewpoints and demonstrating your understanding the factual basis of each. Arguments from appeals to authority and consensus don’t count no matter how much what they are saying you want to be true (bias).
It’s not that govt’s around the world are out-of-touch – they just genuinely do no care about anyone or anything apart from the success of their globalist ‘Build Back Better’ cabal.
Everything and everyone else is not only dispensable – their demise is being actively contrived.
“Everything and everyone else is not only dispensable – their demise is being actively contrived.”
What’s in a name? David Attenborough’s favourite charity.
“The Optimum Population Trust”. Now known as… Population Matters.
“One of the most effective steps we can take to reduce our collective environmental impact is to choose smaller family size”
How can you persuade people to stop having children? A long term propaganda campaign?
“People worried about the climate crisis are deciding not to have children because of fears that their offspring would have to struggle through a climate apocalypse, according to the first academic study of the issue.
One respondent, for example, said it would “rival world war one in its sheer terror”. The research also found that some people who were already parents expressed regret over having their children.”
Who regrets having their children?
“Why David Attenborough is a national treasure
It may feel like we’re facing the apocalypse, but even the apocalypse seems more bearable with the sound of his soothing voice “
“For someone who purports to be a national treasure, Sir David Attenborough’s select committee performance yesterday was more of a national disgrace. He should be applauded for educating millions about the natural world, yet he now wants to control our lives, cut down our choices, and shut us out from experiencing these same wonders.
The broadcaster said that he wants people to pay more for… “
Another example of a fairy-dust opinion poll. Asking people what they want without also disclosing the cost guarantees an excessively positive response. If you ask whether people want a Lexus or a Corolla, everyone will prefer the Lexus.
A slight modification of Saul Alinsky:
A fine thing to say that the people “won’t have it” when they obviously already are paying for it, and don’t have the political will to fix the problem, or the foresight to see that it is barely the tip of the blade. Even if they could cancel everything and throw the bums out of office and onto their bums, the cost of what’s already been committed will impoverish GB for the next several decades. The net zero crash will make the 2008 bank failures look like ants at a picnic. Practice your kowtow.
“While polls show overwhelming support for Net Zero,”
Like the Hunter Biden laptop, opinions would change dramatically if the media reported the truth.
Being able to afford something that works os one thing…
Sadly for millions of the houses in the UK, they are not even technically feasible. Its a nonsense…..
Under the $235 million “electrify everything” scheme announced on Thursday, homes and businesses would get an electric vehicle, rooftop solar and batteries to test the benefits.
Towns, suburbs can ‘electrify everything’ (msn.com)
Pick me pick me! I wouldn’t mind piloting a Tesla with lots of rooftop solar panels and Powerwalls to show all you skeptics how it’s done.
PS: I have plenty of off street parking and 3 phase power so don’t scrimp on the home charger for the greening study-
Electric car running costs are £1k higher if you can’t charge at home (msn.com)
Radical stupidity has its limits. maybe
“Brits can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other advocacy possibilities have been exhausted.”
This is like the EU agreeing to shut off the gas it buys from Russia.
I doubt that all their stubborn resolve will last through one cold winter. But maybe it will be worth it for the lesson they will learn: never give up cheap energy for any reason!
Well the climate changers can pat themselves on the back for a great PR campaign as it seems the punters have really taken ‘net zero’ to heart. That’s what changing the climate has to cost them with all that promulgated free energy from Gaia. Even griff is skiting he got a free smart meter so he’s a big net zero fan although he might want to check out the net bit-
Net Definition & Meaning – Merriam-Webster
As though there is any slightest intention to give them a choice!
Richard Tice in the article above is pushing the political line, as it probably should as a political person.
The take away however is that Mr and Mrs Public are, by an large, of the opinion that ‘Something should be done to fix this climate thing!’ and the unwritten extension is that this ‘something’ should be done by ‘someone who is not me’.
Having been told for decades that CO2 is pollution and since only ‘bad people’ would willingly pollute then clearly it is the ‘bad people’ who should be paying to fix the problem.
Spoiler! No. CO2 as a ‘problem’ goes all the way down to the end users and those End Users are in fact Mr and Mrs Public.
Basically this is NIMW (Not In My Wallet) at its finest.