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By Paul Homewood
h/t Ian Magness

Households will be paid to ration their power usage at peak times as the National Grid scrambles to reduce pressure on Britain’s energy infrastructure.
From Friday up to 1.4m households will be paid if they cut their normal electricity consumption at certain two-hour periods during the day, as an experiment to see how households’ behavior might be changed.
The move is a pilot scheme intended to pave the way for a broader overhaul of the country’s billing system as the UK ditches reliable but dirty fossil fuel plants.
Officials want to encourage people to charge cars and use appliances at different times during the day and night to reduce the pressure on the electricity grid and limit the amount of new capacity that needs to be built as demand for electricity grows.
The results of the trial will help the National Grid Electricity System Operator (ESO), which manages Britain’s electricity supply and demand, work out how best to design and run the system as the UK shifts away from fossil fuels.
Isabelle Haigh, head of National Control at ESO, said: “System flexibility is vital to help manage and reduce peak electricity demand and keep Britain’s electricity flowing securely.
“This trial will provide valuable insight into how suppliers may be able to utilise domestic flexibility to help reduce stress on the system during high demand, lower balancing costs and deliver consumer benefits.”
Demand for electricity is set to soar in coming decades as millions of people ditch their petrol and diesel cars for electric models and swap gas-fired boilers for electric heat pumps or hydrogen made from renewable electricity, as part of the Government’s push to cut carbon emissions.
This will happen at the same time as coal and gas-fired power stations make way for more and more wind and solar power, which are intermittent, requiring greater management of the grid to make sure demand always matches supply to prevent possible blackouts.
The number of new power stations, batteries and other infrastructure projects that need to be available to meet that overall demand will depend on the extent of daily peak requirements – for example, when everyone comes home and switches on the kettle and television after work.
Officials want to see if they can lessen the peaks and spread out demand, for example by encouraging people to charge their cars overnight instead of when they get home, or running appliances when they are at work rather than in the evening.
This could be achieved by energy suppliers rolling out time-of-use tariffs such as the Octopus’s Agile tariff, which means customers buy electricity at cheaper rates outside of peak hours, with appliances automatically set up to optimise their energy usage.
In the trial running from Friday, 1.4m customers of Octopus Energy who have smart meters will get free electricity for certain defined two-hour periods, including 4.30pm to 6.30pm, if they cut their use below usual levels.
The trial builds on a similar effort Octopus Energy ran on November 5, 2020, when customers cut 60pc of their power usage over a two-hour event.
As well as spreading out demand, it is hoped electric cars could eventually be used as a sort of giant battery system, charging up when there is a lot of electricity being generated by wind turbines, and selling electricity back to the grid when needed if their owners do not need it at the same time.
Guy Newey, of Energy Systems Catapult, said: “Making the whole system more flexible is an absolutely essential part of the transition [to a lower carbon grid].
“How do you make the most out of your energy infrastructure? Smart tariffs and digital technology has huge potential in that area.
“We don’t know yet how consumers are going to respond. But if a lot of it’s automated and going on in the background, and I know I’m going to get a slightly lower price, then I think we’ll find that people are pretty happy to do that.
“And if that avoids the need to build however many gigawatts of new energy then that’s potentially a really important saving for consumers. It’s all about making the system as smart as possible and this trial seems an important step in that direction.”
James Eddison, co-founder of Octopus Energy Group, said: “It’s a tremendous opportunity to unlock flexibility at an unprecedented scale, and we can’t wait to get started.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/02/08/national-grid-pays-households-ration-power-use/
We have long known why the ridiculously expensive smart meter programme was wheeled out.
And when customers inevitably fail to respond to voluntary rationing, what then? Compulsory rationing is the only option left.
But the idiots in charge seem to think that transferring a bit of demand from peak periods will solve all of our problems.
Good luck with that when the wind stops blowing for a week or two, as it does regularly every winter.
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Its just the next step in conditioning people to accept that electricity is a limited thing to which there is no control over.
Griff, why ration power if its endless and cheap?
If its too cheap to meter industry would be flocking to Britain and germany instead of fleeing.
It would be far better if the lies weren’t so STUPID and easily disproven.
How these things begin, reminds me of Jurassic Park
Ian Malcolm: Yeah, oooh, aaah, that’s how it always starts. Then later there’s running, and screaming
Everyone must do their part and sacrifice for the cause……bitcoin mining that is.
It is out of control.
U.S. becoming ‘bitcoin mining capital of the world,’ GEM Mining CEO says (yahoo.com)
Did someone mention Octopus Agile – it triggered a little something in me.
Which was the little renewable energy forum ## I used to lurk around.
One of the members was on the Octopus tariff and boy-oh-boy, was he a garrulous chap.
He’d keep the forum up to date on how it was working for him, how much solar energy he was exporting etc etc. He owned a Tesla also.
And Holy Cow, did he come alive when Octopus informed him there was gonna be some Negative Pricing, later today or through the night.
But that didn’t happen too often and even then, the neagative price was never more than 2 or 3 pence per kWh anyway.
But, the tariff left him wide open to the crazy (spot) pricing that was seen in Texas and he showed a graph for that. It was insane what he’d paid for elektrikery sometimes.
He admitted, he wasn’t any better off with the flexible tariff, fixing up timers on the washing machine & dish-washer, charging the car on negative electricity and constantly fixating on an app on his phone.
None of it happened ‘automatically’ – you yourself had to respond to the incoming emails & texts about the upcoming free electric and usually with less that 6 or 7 hours notice.
It was stress stress stress – occasionally relieved by (barely) negative electricity prices
## Now completely vanished.Completely.
It showed the laugh-ability about how ‘the internet never forgets‘ and how lovely renewable energy is. They’d built up a carefully catalogued and maintained message board of FAQs, friendly advice and real actual user experience of renewable energy – esp Off Grid Systems.
And kept reminding themselves and the moderators all about that.
Then ‘something happened’ to the company (called Navitron) that hosted and maintained the forum. The company vanished, in a reasonably controlled way, and came back under a new name.
The message board stopped accepting new posts and then, after 2 or 3 months – the entire kaboodle was switched off. Just like that. Gone in an instant and everything went. Some of the very last posts hoped that the board would be copied over to the new firm.
The new firm set up a message board but none, absolutely none, of the previous members signed up and all the original stuff simply never showed.
makes you wonder,
’bout a lot of things…
After 73 years of life and working at a fairly high level in the U.S. Department of Energy, I don’t wonder any more; they are out to get you. Leftism is a disease that will kill you.
Maybe we should take a page out of the vaccine passport enthusiasts and if you believe in CAWG your power gets cut first?
And I’ve always found it hilarious that the same people think there won’t be an issue when thousands of commuters get home and plug in their e-cars want to curb our energy use at certain times of the day.
Although much like driving an e-car in the cold, I imagine we’ll all be freezing in the dark while they charge…priorities, right?
Forward to the past! This image is from a local UK newspaper in 1944. https://ibb.co/5FKRfyX
Then it was Hitler and the National Socialists. Now it is CliSciFi and the warmunists.
Please, sir, can I have some more electricity”?
“Silence! You get what you get, and you’ll be happy with it. Or else.”
This is nothing more than a sticking plaster. It’s not going to stop the lights going out.
By winter 2024/25 the UK will have lost half the nuclear fleet and all the remaining coal fired stations. The coal stations generate 4GW between them and the nuclear stations set to close down, approximately 3GW. All we need at that point is a cold snap with no wind and the remaining power sources will not be able to meet demand. At that point the UK hits the reality wall. Game over.
The nuclear problem may be worse than expected depending upon the rate at which the cores deteriorate at Heysham 2 and Torness AGR stations.
If events prove me wrong no doubt Griff will delight in telling me!
So there are already big problems and hardly anyone has installed heat pumps and switched to electric cars, and the grid still is mainly supported by fossil fuels. Is there a viable plan to even cover the gap as conventional generation is de-commissioned with the current demand?
“The move is a pilot scheme intended to pave the way for getting people used to frequent outages thanks to having a clean and green energy system
broader overhaul of the country’s billing system as the UK ditches reliable but dirty fossil fuel plants..”Fixed it
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System flexibilityGetting used to doing without power is vital to help manage and reduce peak electricity demand and keep Britain’s electricity flowing securely”fixed it
“Demand for electricity is set to soar in coming decades as millions of people ditch their petrol and diesel cars for electric models”
that sounds like they’re happy about giving up their petrol vehicles- I think the public is more likely to ditch their politicians first
Voters don’t pay attention to ruling class and NGO fun and games until they are personally impacted. It is political stupidity to piss off the average voter in favor of appeasing the strident ideological minority. Retribution is only delayed slightly with propaganda. Smart, non-ideologically motivated politicians will be hopping over to the cheap, abundant energy side soon, if they are not doing so now. Elections everywhere over the next few years will tell the tale.
One can hope! But then, Democrats keep getting elected.
“In the trial running from Friday, 1.4m customers of Octopus Energy who have smart meters will get free electricity for certain defined two-hour periods, including 4.30pm to 6.30pm, if they cut their use below usual levels.”
Except on days when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing and the battery systems are still functioning. This is an incredibly stupid idea.
Silly me thinking that governments are there to make sure that supply meets demand.
Those who contribute to the trial may/will find that they are forced to meet the lack of supply rather than have the choice
Reminds me of when the navy ship I was on was asked to determine how to function with 10% fewer crew. Just a paper exercise, we were told.
Soon after we had 10% fewer but still required to perform all of the same duties and responsibilities.
Everything is possible on paper.
It’s the job of the free market to make sure supply meets demand. Relying on government for this is what makes communism/socialism fail every time.
So some taxpayers will receive money from other taxpayers to not use electricity. This is similar to wind turbine owners being paid for not producing electricity when the grid doesn’t need or want their contribution. This doesn’t seem like a serious way to run a utlility.
As someone who has run a utility, I tell you it is not a serious way; it is an ideological way. Socialism at its finest.
Oh, BTW, I was able to reduce customer electric rates by 20%, industrial accounts by even more.
From the above-quoted article out of the UK The Telegraph:
“Demand for electricity is set to soar in coming decades as millions of people ditch their petrol and diesel cars for electric models and swap gas-fired boilers for electric heat pumps or hydrogen made from renewable electricity, as part of the Government’s push to cut carbon emissions.”
Was this in The Telegraph‘s humor section? If not, it should have been.
Charge your cars at night — when the sun’s not shining — a brilliant idea from solar idiots!
We had a smart meter for electricity installed. Since we changed supplier we have to read our own meter and submit the number each month as they can’t read it remotely. Why, maybe they are morons? Here in the UK our energy prices will sky rocket in April. I’ve heard it suggested that at the next meter read one puts in an extremely high self read to take advantage of the currently relatively low costs. I could never condone this.
You’ve been claiming that the world is just months away from running out of oil, for several years now. In fact you’ve been banned from this site for your tendency to try and turn every single article into a discussion about how you and only you are correct and everyone else is an idiot.
The new green economy. The government pays with citizens wealth. They pay consumers not to consume. They pay wind and solar producers not to produce. They pay other countries take take surplus’s power. Eventually they will pay us all to stop breathing.
All countries need to abandon this green energy nonsense. Anyone with any intelligence can understand there is no way to make this viable. What is so hard to understand solar shuts down every night; guaranteed. Wind is very erratic even in known windy areas. The amount of land needed to provide reliable power during the day plus battery storage solar energy at night use is more than any rational person would consider appropriate. It is complete nonsense.
I can tots see how paying people to not take electricity will make it cheaper overall………
Does there seem to be a flaw in the plan to electrify everything?
As for plans like using EVs to store electricity, are people really going to discharge their vehicles after going to all the trouble and expense of charging them in the first place? I mean, they charge at say 20p per KwHr and sell back at 4p. Makes a lot of sense.
I am dismayed at the paranoia and conspiracy theory displayed in these comments…
nobody is going to ration anyone with their smart meters.
There is a long history of off peak reduced tariffs in the UK (‘Economy 7’, for example)…
Peak demand raises prices… peaker plants, expensive to operate, idle for most of the time, are a common solution.
Switching use to lower demand periods with financial incentives for users… what is the problem? It is the new technology which facilitates this…
eliminate peaker plant, reduce costs for consumers… hardly an evil plot?
eliminate
peaker plantrenewable subsidies, reduce costs for consumers… hardly an evil plot?There, fixed it for you.
Oh Griffy, are you really that stupid, or just that disingenuous?
Bruce, embrace “and”. He’s both really that stupid *and* that disingenuous.
Economically favored dispatchable peak load units allow reliable base load units to run cheaply and efficiently. Politically favored renewables back out reliable base load units and need to be backed up with additional disptchable peak load units.
Well unlike pipes, wires can be rewired.
Just saying.