A Return To The Land Of Covidia

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

A while back I gave up looking at COVID stats because there was so much misinformation out there. Now, however, the CDC has published data on total deaths and deaths by category, and there are some interesting things to see. Unfortunately, due to delays in reporting, the data only goes up to July 2021. Here’s the first one.

Figure 1. Deaths by age, both with COVID as the underlying cause on the death certificate and those with COVID plus other causes.

I see lots of folks saying that school kids should be vaccinated … but there have only been 155 deaths of kids under 15, and the overwhelming majority of those had serious co-morbidities.

Next, here are total deaths from all causes since 2019.

Figure 2. US deaths, all causes, January 2019 to July 2021

As you can see, clearly there are “excess” deaths in 2020 and 2021. Figure 3 shows how the “excess deaths” compare to 2019.

Figure 3. Percentage change in “all-cause” US deaths, 2020-2022 compared to 2019.

Of interest is the fact that deaths among people over 65 or so are basically back to pre-pandemic levels …

Next, here are the totals of excess deaths and deaths with and from COVID.

Figure 4. Excess deaths and COVID deaths, January 2020 to July 2021

It is my assumption that the excess deaths that were not caused by COVID were caused by the lockdowns—suicides and postponed medical procedures.

A final oddity is “Natural” deaths. Note that “Natural” is not a cause of death, like say COVID, heart attacks, or cancer. Instead, it is a manner of death. The possible manners of death are Natural, Homicide, Accident, Pending Investigation, and Suicide. Figure 5 shows the changes in the “Natural” manner of death compared to 2019.

Figure 5. Percentage change in “Natural” US deaths, 2020-2022 compared to 2019.

Most curious. “Natural” deaths are up in those from 15 to 45 years or so, but are flat or even down in older people. I fear I have no explanation for that. I doubt that it is from the vaccine, since those deaths seem to be mostly from things like myocarditis and pericarditis that are heart-related, and here’s the percentage change in heart disease.

Figure 6. Percentage change in heart disease US deaths, 2020-2022 compared to 2019.

Note that recently, heart disease is generally down in the 15-45-year-old age groups with increased “Natural” deaths …

As always, more questions than answers …

My very best regards to all,

w.

My Customary Request: When you comment PLEASE quote the exact words you are discussing, so we all can be clear just who and what you are talking about.

The Data: These numbers are from the CDC, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, available here. Do I trust them? Not particularly, the CDC has hardly been a beacon of probity in all of this … but they’re the best I can find.

A Final Note: I am neither pro- nor anti-vax. However, I am wholly and completely opposed to all mandates and passports.

The logic of those pushing for mandates and passports runs like this:

The protected need protection from the unprotected, so we need to pressure and force the unprotected to get the protection that isn’t protecting the protected …

Gotta say … that makes no sense to me at all.

I say everyone needs to balance their own personal risk from COVID (real) against their risk from the so-called “vaccine” (also real). Me, I live with my gorgeous ex-fiancee, my daughter, my son-in-law, my 2-1/2 year old granddaughter, and my 2-1/2 month old grandson. At 74 I’m in my middle youth, so high risk. I’ve had two seizures and a heart attack. My gorgeous ex-fiancee is a Family Nurse Practitioner who works with patients, some of whom likely have or have had COVID.

So it was an easy choice, that good lady and I are both vaccinated and boosted … but that’s us. You need to balance and choose for yourself.

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February 7, 2022 10:07 am

Like the fabricated global warming temperature data, the China Flu death data is also biased … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SVO0lc_1_o

Scissor
Reply to  John Shewchuk
February 7, 2022 10:17 am

Yes, lots of games being played, like one is not vaccinated until 14 days after receiving a second jab, and even that is being redefined.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2022 5:31 pm

That’s because wrong speech like that of Dr Malone is true. The jab has the possibility to make you more prone to infection for a short period of time.

Peter Buchan
Reply to  John Shewchuk
February 7, 2022 10:22 am

Hi Willis,

lots more water to flow under this bridge. But here’s an exchange that may have some bearing on your perception that vaccine deaths in younger people are limited to the causes you reference. It’s off a feed from Dr Robert Malone: https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-ryan-cole-alarming-cancer-trend-suggests-covid-19-vaccines-alter-natural-immune-response_4250442.html.

Best

Peter

Reply to  Peter Buchan
February 7, 2022 10:34 am

Agree — the Epoch Times is a great resource. In 5-10 yeas from now (or sooner) we’ll better know the implications of Fauci and Gates’ medical expertise.

c1ue
Reply to  John Shewchuk
February 8, 2022 6:00 am

Epoch Times as great resource – seriously? It is a newspaper created and run by the Falun Gong, funded by various “democracy promoting outfits” and is basically clickbait on paper.

Reply to  c1ue
February 8, 2022 6:17 am

That must explain why so many who dumped CNN go to Epoch for information.

Peter Buchan
Reply to  c1ue
February 9, 2022 4:14 am

“Falun Gong”

An curious framing given you waste your time on this site. Epoch has nothing to do with it: the reference was from Robert Malone and the CV of the interview participants speak for themselves. Or should. That such august persons interpretation of complex issues appears on what people like you consider “fringe” sites speaks volumes of the zeitgeist we inhabit. One might frame the WUWT site similarly. Which begs the question: why are you even here?

Peter Buchan
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 10, 2022 1:47 am

Hi Willis

Too right about the begging. Put it down to an overhasty reply before rushing off – typos & all.

I wasn’t clear (evidently): I was specifically trying to make the point that the source of information is separate to the content or quality of that information, which should be evaluated on their own merit. It has become an post-modern artefact of western culture to judge the veracity of information by its source alone. Just how Jaques Derrida et al wanted it I guess.

PCman999
Reply to  c1ue
February 9, 2022 1:20 pm

Epoch Times is a God-send, basically the polar opposite of the propaganda coming from almost everywhere else.

Highly recommended!

Dave
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 7, 2022 6:14 pm

Are percent changed so much larger in younger groups simply because the number of cancer deaths is so much lower than in upper age brackets?

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 8, 2022 6:56 pm

“Tyrannis Denominatoris”
(tyranny of the denominator)

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 9, 2022 11:21 am

So, cancer deaths have decreased, and their decrease in age groups that have much of cancer deaths have happened in age groups that are getting killed by COVID more?

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  Peter Buchan
February 7, 2022 11:58 am

Cancer
There was a very telling case here in Alberta in december.

A teenager died and the government listed it as a covid death. By that afternoon the family told the media it was BS, the kid had stage 4 cancer and tested positive right before he died, but he was days away regardless.
The Public health officer here, Dena Hinshaw, then went on TV to apologize for the misinformation.
Great.

But then a lot of the political and medical actors here piled on her for admitting the truth.
They wanted the disinformation to stand, to whip up fear.

Lots of people with things to answer for.

MarkH
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
February 7, 2022 3:47 pm

They’ve been doing similar things in Australia. Whenever you see a blaring news headline of a young child dying “from COVID”, always in the fine print of the article (and sometimes completely omitted) is information that they had some sort of extremely serious underlying condition, such as viral meningitis, leukemia, or a genetic disorder that was always going to be fatal.

This kind of fear mongering is unforgivable, they are using the tragic deaths of children to fuel their propaganda. How these people sleep at night I do not know.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkH
February 7, 2022 11:11 pm

How these people sleep at night I do not know.

They sleep just fine because they are acting according to their cause, which is always more important than your life. such sociopathy is strong in Marxists and progressives.

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Patrick healy
Reply to  MarkH
February 8, 2022 1:03 am

They do not sleep much at night – have a look at an old Count Dracula film (if they have not been re edited by Follywood)

ozspeaksup
Reply to  MarkH
February 8, 2022 2:57 am

the qld 5yr old was a classic example inherited genetic prob life expectancy was 7 average she died at 5 and mums yelling cos borders opened before kids vax etc your kids already hardly functional but you take it to publicmixing kiddy care?
sheesh

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Peter Buchan
February 8, 2022 9:40 pm

That’s meaningless without data. It’s at least as likely that any potential alteration cancer rates is due to covid itself as it is to vaccines, since covid has more widespread effects on the body.

February 7, 2022 10:16 am

Willis

The ramp up in natural deaths does look to start around the time of the vaccines, the assumption that cardiac related deaths is the primary cause is just that. the ramp up also appears to be pre-omicron.

Ann Banisher
Reply to  bob boder
February 7, 2022 1:05 pm

I personally know 2 people who were by all accounts healthy, who died in their sleep within 2 days of getting their 2nd shot. Both were from families who are true believers. Those families said it was just a coincidence and people die all the time.
How would those deaths be classified? There was no autopsy as far as I know.
Would that be listed as ‘natural causes’?

c1ue
Reply to  Ann Banisher
February 8, 2022 6:02 am

What were the ages of these 2 people? In the ranges defined above.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  bob boder
February 8, 2022 10:04 pm

Willis, I don’t see what you are talking about. Have you looked at the CDC site, “Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19” – https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm? There are all kinds of choices on can play with to look at deaths, including broken down by cause. You can choose graphs for either 2020 or 2021. The comparison is with averages for the period 2016-2019, a better gauge than comparison with a single year.
(As always, people should look at the notes before trying to interpret anything here.)

February 7, 2022 10:19 am

Willis, I can maybe explain why COVID deaths among older people have gone down to pre-pandemic levels. It’s simply that the “low-hanging fruit” has been picked. In any age group, some are more vulnerable than others. This virus seems “expert” in targeting the most vulnerable.

Myself, I’m 5 or so years younger than you, and I had the damned thing before it was even officially in the UK! It was only 5 weeks later that I realized that the fluey cold, and the nasty cough that followed, had been COVID.

rbabcock
Reply to  Neil Lock
February 7, 2022 10:36 am

I think you are correct on the low hanging fruit theory, but also throw in the early strains of CV were more aggressive than Omicron. The biggest cause of all has to be Obesity, which is the precursor to diabetes, heart disease and just about everything else bad. I assume this wasn’t stressed early on because it might be embarrassing to those individuals, but in a lot of cases it was the quick path to an early exit from Earth. Warnings have been going out for years about being overweight leads to being unhealthy, but large numbers of people evidently just don’t care.

I’m 71 and just had it. A two day, very mild affair. So now I’ve been Pfizered three times and have natural immunity. Just wonder what is in store for me from the Karens next.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  rbabcock
February 7, 2022 10:47 am

Correct. With the original alpha variant, severe disease was easy to detect by lung X-ray ‘shattered glass’ images. Delta didn’t have that (hence less severe disease), and omicron doesn’t appear to affect the lungs much at all—just a URI.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 5:35 pm

Delta had worse looking lungs, lasted longer, and impacted patients about 10 to 15 years younger. Not only do I read the xrays, radiologist for 35 years, I was on the ‘ethical triage committee’.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 8, 2022 3:00 am

med person i know said ALL pneumonias show that frosted glass effect

AWG
Reply to  rbabcock
February 7, 2022 10:57 am

Obesity is a symptom.
What is common in all of the top comorbidities is insulin resistance.
Obesity often is a result of insulin resistance. Control the sensitivity, then watch as hypertension, weight, blood-sugar, brain fog and all other sorts of insulin resistance related maladies are reduced.

Lance Flake
Reply to  AWG
February 7, 2022 11:15 am

From the NIH: Researchers don’t fully understand what causes insulin resistance and prediabetes, but they think excess weight and lack of physical activity are major factors.

The physics of energy applies to the human body as it does to everything else. An excess of input energy versus output energy causes the body to store fat to prepare for future opposite imbalances. All mammals do this to survive. Every human body is unique in its biological energy efficiency, so everyone must balance themselves over time.

Insulin resistance is really just a desire to excuse away personal responsibility as a new “disease”.

lee riffee
Reply to  Lance Flake
February 7, 2022 3:27 pm

There is also a strong genetic component for type 2 diabetes. That doesn’t always mean that one will get it, but it makes it far more likely than for someone without that genetic predisposition. I know people who are as big as a house, eat like pigs and about as active as a garden snail (and middle aged and older to boot) without even a hint of diabetes. And then people who are at or close to normal weight and average activity levels who go on to develop diabetes (often early on in life).

Reply to  lee riffee
February 7, 2022 6:23 pm

And if you have multiple successive generations leading down to you, you might as well give up sugars and starches right now and get used to living with the natural flavors of your food. Because it’s going to get you!

PCman999
Reply to  K. Leonard
February 9, 2022 1:29 pm

I’ve had to give up the sugars and starches – starches are the hardest part – I have Italian genes and my gorgeous ex-fiance is Indonesian, how can I survive without pasta, bread and rice?

Kidding asside, I am feeling much better, more energy, lost a couple of kilos, but more required.

Doing the fasting/ one meal a day thing.

jeffery p
Reply to  AWG
February 7, 2022 12:10 pm

I don’t know about elsewhere, but in the US the major co-factors are endemic in our poor and elderly.

This is a country where the poorest people are the fattest.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  AWG
February 7, 2022 1:40 pm

Obesity is a symptom.”

Covid makes you fat??

MarkH
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 7, 2022 4:04 pm

Actually, the CDC recently pushed a highly flawed study that was trying to suggest that COVID was CAUSING diabetes in children.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm

Robert W Turner
Reply to  MarkH
February 7, 2022 5:36 pm

When the world stands on its head…

Kristi Silber
Reply to  MarkH
February 8, 2022 10:22 pm

In what ways was the study flawed? It has limitations, which are clearly stated in the discussion section, but what are its flaws?

In what way is the CDC pushing the study?

Do you believe it couldn’t be true? If so, why?

Covid is still not fully understood. We need quality research for that to happen. It is the cumulative research rather than any single study that will lead to understanding. Scientists are aware of this, though the media may latch onto single studies as if they were the final word.

Poems of our Climate
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 7, 2022 11:23 pm

No, carbohydrate consumption makes you fat.

rbabcock
Reply to  AWG
February 7, 2022 2:56 pm

Obesity is a symptom of eating too much mostly of the wrong thing. As you gain weight, you develop insulin resistance. It isn’t the other way around. Did we have obesity back in the 50’s and 60’s? No. People back then didn’t drink 64 oz of sugar washing down sugar loaded food. You have a choice in this by the diet you follow.

lee riffee
Reply to  rbabcock
February 7, 2022 3:29 pm

There also weren’t any computers or mobile phones back then. For many forms of recreation, one had to actually get up and move, especially young children.

PCman999
Reply to  lee riffee
February 9, 2022 1:30 pm

I was my father’s remote control for the tv.

MarkH
Reply to  rbabcock
February 7, 2022 4:12 pm

Ancel Keys has much to answer for, and the “loss” for 40 years of the Sydney Heart Health Diet study.

Nick Graves
Reply to  MarkH
February 8, 2022 12:23 am

Yes, he’d be another one for Nuremburg 2 – if he wasn’t dead.

A nasty piece of work, by some accounts.

Corky
Reply to  rbabcock
February 7, 2022 5:50 pm

Obesity, and specifically type II diabetes, are the result of the government’s food-triangle of healthy eating that formed the basis of people’s food choices. Grain-derived products are at the base of the old pyramid, and I believe are the basis for so much dis-ease. Getting rid of the processed grain foods is not easy. Look toward using almond, coconut flour instead of the milled flours. But hey, that is not easy and does not fit the life-style promoted by the businesses that profit from disease. When my doc retired and I filled out the new forms to see if I would be accepted by a doctor’s group, I noted that I am allergic to any medicine that has side effects. Notice how we are constantly bombarded with “side effects” that are our systems natural response but such compounds are not considered as an allergic reaction?

sadbutmadlad
Reply to  Corky
February 8, 2022 12:07 am

Humans have been eating grain derived products for thousands of years. It is not the basis for so much disease.

Bill T
Reply to  rbabcock
February 8, 2022 3:48 am

It all started when fat was removed from our diet as well as sucrose and both replace with High Fructose Corn Syrup. HFCS floods the body with way too much of both Fructose and Glucose. On the other hand Sucrose is split by the body into Fructose and Glucose but stops the split when it has enough of both and is expelled from the body when no longer needed.
When I was young I lived on sucrose coke and never gained weight.

MarkH
Reply to  AWG
February 7, 2022 3:58 pm

Also with obesity comes likely vitamin D deficiency. As vitamin D is fat soluble and likely volumetrically diluted in the obese. Though vitamin D deficiency certainly isn’t limited to the obese.

In terms of having an immune system that has a chance of handling COVID, sufficient vitamin D looks to be essential. It’s interesting that there is such a limited amount of data on the serum vitamin D levels of people hospitalised with (or more correctly due to) COVID. It’s almost as though they don’t want to look.

Sam the First
Reply to  MarkH
February 7, 2022 7:06 pm

There is quite a bit of info on this from Israel where they have done proper studies on it. I have a graph saved on my iPad showing an exact correlation between Vit D levels and life or death from Cov19. All those patients who died in hospital had very low levels of Vitamin D.

jeffery p
Reply to  rbabcock
February 7, 2022 12:09 pm

By more aggressive than Omicron I believe you mean more lethal. Delta and Omicron are much more contagious than the original strain (Alpha?). Omicron is far less deadly.

yirgach
Reply to  rbabcock
February 7, 2022 1:12 pm

Here is a recent article on the difference between natural vs vaccine induced immunity. You might want to reconsider calling it “natural immunity” if you’ve been vaxed…

yirgach
Reply to  yirgach
February 7, 2022 1:52 pm

Also my ex-fiancee has done research on drug resistant TB strains for the last 20 years. Has consulted for the CDC. Because of that we are not Covid vaccinated and never will be, even though we are early 70’s. There were too many steps which were skipped in the development and release of these “gene therapies”, you cannot call them vaccines by any stretch, but it is a very convenient term. In the past they would have been pulled after the first few deaths, now we are into the 10’s of thousands confirmed. There are major questions about future problems and we are starting to see them in myocarditis and cancer issues.

We have both had the disease but we were prepared and put together an iMask+ protocol kit. Had a few 101F fever days in bed, a lot of rest and that was it.

Don132
Reply to  yirgach
February 7, 2022 2:15 pm

Agree on treatment. I’m over 65, got Covid over this past Christmas from my daughter. Got the requisite drugs that the medical authorities say you shouldn’t take (actually had some on hand, the rest from local pharmacy. The doc doing the prescribing was several states away.) I was in bed for a week, didn’t really have a fever but body aches and tired as heck. Couldn’t smell bacon cooking even when I was in the kitchen. It was bad, but it wasn’t the worst flu I ever had.

My wife was freaking out that I refused to get vaccinated– she thought I might die if I got Covid. Too bad for her, I’m still here. Bob will have to wait his turn.

Reply to  Don132
February 7, 2022 5:19 pm

Ivermectin, which is proved to be a much more effective, safe and inexpensive cure for Covid-119, was banned in Canada and the USA and elsewhere early in 2020.
Why? To enable the peddling of the expensive, ineffective, toxic “vaccines’ that killed and harmed millions worldwide.
By Whom? Our corrupt health authorities and governments, “encouraged” by big pharma..

Proof:
Several countries have eradicated Covid-19 using Ivermectin – for example, the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh (pop. ~200 million) killed Covid-19 in weeks with Ivermectin kits, sent to every household at a cost of ~$1 per family. Covid-19 continued to ravage the other ~billon people in India, aka the “control group”. 

“Anecdotal”:
Three of my friends caught Omicron and for them it was atypically severe. Two vaxxed and one unvaxxed. All three took 12mg/day Ivermectin & Zinc for 5 days and were 95% cured. They said they were a bit sleepy for a few days thereafter. Cost was ~$1 per cure. One skied Whistler on Day 6 – and he’s an aggressive skier.

Mactoul
Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 7, 2022 8:40 pm

This of Uttar Pradesh (UP) is a myth. Delta strain run rampant through UP in April-May 2021 leading to >70% seropositivity in July 2021 serosurvey. That limited further covid spread and not ivermectin. And the official death figures are a joke. Dead bodies were floating in rivers in UP in May.

Reply to  Mactoul
February 8, 2022 12:29 am

Proof? The success of IVM in Utter Pradesh has been reported by credible senior scientists and physicians.
Also there’s ample evidence the IVM worked in other countries.
Search Uttar Pradesh Ivermectin and see many references for and against – but false propaganda is rampant on this subject, especially from big pharma, who want to peddle their expensive, ineffective and toxic “vaccines”.
There is so much evidence of blatant fraud from our governments and big pharma – they have negative cred. Finally, I’ve seen three people go from very sick to fully recovered in 5 days with IVM.

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R_G
Reply to  Mactoul
February 8, 2022 5:33 am

Stop spreading misinformation. 30 years ago when I was travelling across India dead bodies also were floating in Ganges in large number. This is very common funeral arrangment/custom in India. Japan is another example of successful use of Invermectin in controling delta variant.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 11, 2022 9:42 pm

There is a long analysis of the claim about Uttar Pradesh here: “No evidence suggests a causal link between ivermectin recommendation and the decline of COVID-19 cases in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh”
You might want to read it before simply dismissing it as propaganda.

otropogo
Reply to  yirgach
February 8, 2022 8:40 am

Thanks for your input, and especialy the iMask+protocol kit link. I particularly appreciate the reference to black cumin seed as a substitute for ivermectin, since, as Allan McRae points out, in Canada we’re ferociously denied any treatment or protection except masks, hand cleaner and (mRNA) vaccines.

But I would point out the difficulty of determining the risk to a given individual of any new medication. Consider the history of the antibiotic levofloxacin, one of the most popular antibiotics for UTIs. It was approved for use in the USA in 1996, and it was not until nine years later, in 2004, that the FDA “black labeled” it, requiring the packaging to inform patients and doctors to stop taking it immediately if any neurological symptoms appeared.

In Canada, it was still being promoted as the antibiotic of choice 13 years later for UTIs by the Province of Quebec’s health ministry, with no such warning,nor any mention of neurological side effects. In 2018 Health Canada issued at feeble bulletin on its website that there might be neurological side effects from the drug in very rare cases. Patients receiving the drug were still not informed that it could cause persistent, progressive neurological damage long after the treatment ceased.

Note also that levofloxacin had been patented in 1985, 11 years prior to its approval by the FDA.

Under these conditions “informed consent” is an impossibility. When it can take one or even two decades to discover a devastating side effect of a relatively conventional drug in developed countries with leading edge medical facilities, how can one possibly deem a briefly tested novelty like mNRA vaccines to be “safe” after a single year of use?

yirgach
Reply to  otropogo
February 8, 2022 1:38 pm

Just to let you know, there are several successful “protocols” to treat the disease w/o using a “vaccine” another one is the Zelencko Treatment.

Last edited 3 months ago by yirgach
TonyG
Reply to  yirgach
February 8, 2022 2:56 pm

That’s the one my family used, yirgach. Don’t know for sure if it was the treatment, but all four of us got through it with nothing worse than some sniffles and a couple headaches.

otropogo
Reply to  yirgach
February 11, 2022 12:42 pm

Thanks yirgach,

Have visited the site and made note of the proposed treatments, but found some disturbing gaps in information and conflicting instructions. In the flow chart linked above, Zinc 25-50mg/day is prescribed for Moderate/High Risk , whereas the text under the same heading immediately below reads “Elemental Zinc 50-100mg once a day for 7days”

And where the flow chart suggests “Vitamin D 5,000iu once a day or 50,000iu once a week”, the text below reads “Vitamin D3 10000iu once a day for 7 days or 50000iu once a day for 1-2 days”.

For HCR the flowchart shows 200mg per day for 5 days, then 200-400mg once a week, while text below reads 200mg 2x/day for 5-7 days.

I also looked at the all-in-one 30 day bottle he offers for USD55 on his website, but couldn’t find a list of ingredients,Nor could I find an e-mail address for information.

Unfortunately, here in (non-metropolitan) Quebec, Canada, there is absolutely no way for me to get either ivermectin or HCQ. The alternative for HCQ is drinking 4 liters of tonic water per day. But I’ve not been able to find a persuasive review of the effectiveness of the quinine in tonic water compared to HCQ.

The I-Mask+ protocol suggests black cumin seed at 80mg/kg per day as substitute for ivermectin, but offers no instructions for preparation. The stuff is almost impossible to find in bulk online in Canada, and when looking at consumption of 6grams per day, price becomes a serious issue.

I also note a big difference between the I-Mask+ Initial Treatment dosage of D3 at 100,000-300,000iu initial dose, followed by 100,000 to 900,000iu per week for 2-10 weeks, respectively and the Zelenko protocol’s suggested dosage of Vitamin D 1000iu once a day to 50,000iu once a week.

The highest D3 dosage available in Canada currently in tablet or capsule form is 2,500iu. Powdered form has disappeared, so the only way to access the higher amounts listed above affordably and efficiently is in liquid form, dispensed via dropper at 1000iu per drop, from vials averaging a little over a thousand drops (30ml vial at 0.028ml/drop). I’ve had the luxury in the past of receiving as much as 10,000iu of D3 as part of a daily multi. But nothing greater than 2,000iu is available in a multi in Canada currently, so I have to get my very approximate 7-8,000iu target dose from three different sources, including drops – which, in my experience, are impossible to dispense with any accuracy.

I would suggest anyone taking the larger liquid doses by mouth use a 0.5ml insulin syringe to draw the liquid from the vial (10,000iu would be 0.28ml in the case described above, repeat 5x for 50,000 or use a 5ml syringe). I have no experience with larger liquid doses, so can only wonder about gastric effects..

I do have a question regarding Quercetin. Various brands have marketed “bioactive” Quercetin products which claim to be many times more bioavailable than Quercetin alone. The brand I’m using is Natural Factors ‘Bioactive Quercetin EMIQ’, and the firm claims it offers “40 times greater absorption than quercetin”. I would welcome links to any scientific reviews of this claim. The product is fairly expensive and provides only 50mg per cap, 60 caps per bottle. So I use it on the assumption that its effectiveness at 50mg/day exceeds that of ordinary Quercetin at 500mg/day.But the only basis I have for this view is that the company also sells plain Quercetin.

Reply to  otropogo
February 8, 2022 9:53 pm

Good comment, thank you. I sourced (human) Ivermectin from India, cost $1 per cure (12mg/day * 5 days * 20cents). My physician friend took it for a severe case of Omicron and was 95+% recovered in five days – skied Whistler on Day 6 and is an aggressive double-black skier [ or thinks he is 🙂 ].
 
Big News is the Alberta govt is ending masks, vax cards, Tout!
 
yay! Why the small “y”? Because the Alberta stand-down plan is detailed and staged over weeks – a.k.a. Kabuki Theatre.
 
The government has planned all these tiny staged stand-down details to give the illusion that they know what they are doing.
 
BUT, the reality is they’ve completely botched everything from the very beginning two years ago, have no clue, not only where they are going but even where they have been!
 
They dare not admit that they’ve been flying blind since Day 1, have crashed and burned many times, and are now climbing out of the smoking wreckage.
 
Especially, they cannot admit that they have poisoned over half our people with the toxic “vaccines”. What we must do now is develop medical programs to heal the vaccine-injured – soon!

otropogo
Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 11, 2022 1:53 pm

I sourced (human) Ivermectin from India, cost $1 per cure (12mg/day * 5 days * 20cents). ” No problems with customs/health canada”? Were you able to source (and get) HCQ as well?

“What we must do now is develop medical programs to heal the vaccine-injured – soon!”

I’m afraid you’re outlook is way too optimistic. What this mini-disaster should have taught us is that our civilization has degenerated to the point where everyone is promoted to their level of incompetence, thereby preserving the status quo. And I say civilization advisedly, since this can’t apply to societies where the invidual still survives by tooth and claw.

Unfortunately for the species, and the higher life forms, tooth and claw know-how is not going to be able to clean up the toxins, keep the nuclear reactors from melting down, or manage most of the other high tech threats our industries have created,

I thought I had no illusions about the morals and competence of western medical professionals. But never anticipated such a rapid, brazen and abject abandonment of an essential moral precept of medical care – informed consent. It’s been degraded to a bullying stance – we’ve told you all you need to know, now you’d better believe it, and do whatever you’re told.

This is not the arrogance of the medical specialist everyone is used to, it’s the bullying of those who have completely aligned themselves with those who bully them.

There is no science involved. These vaccine and lockdown shills would have cheered to see Galileo burned at the stake, while loudly declaring “follow the science – the sun revolves around the earth”.

If only it were just the medical profession and their handlers, the pharmceuticals. But the rot pervades every aspect of our society.

Can you imagine how we would survive a new biological pandemic, not to mention a major CME, or other global calamity?
The ubiquitous incompetence throughout the developed world has left humanity hanging by a thread that has just about reached the breaking point, all in the name of maximizing profits via globalization of trade and “just in time” manufacturing.

And Canada is on the front line. We will be the first to freeze and starve in the dark during the next breakdown of international transport. That is assuming that we can survive the present one,

I had hoped that the developed world would learn a lesson from Fukushima and the toxic fenugeek scares in 2011, but no. There has been no serious review of civil defense or public health measures, nor is there any sign of such in this two year pandemic. On the contrary – self-congratulations and back-slapping all around.

The fact that large groups of alienated people with the means to organize are unable to find any other way to engage and influence their governments than blocking roads suggests to me that separation is the only possibility of achieving the reorganization of society that might allow us to survive as Canadians, at least on the peripheries of Canada.

If only there is the will and the time to do so before a total collapse of the country, when we and everything we have will be up for grabs by those who have the means to impose order.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  yirgach
February 8, 2022 10:32 pm

The mRNA vaccines are not gene therapies; they don’t interact with human DNA. There is no reason not to call them vaccines, since their effects on the immune system are very similar to those of older types of vaccines. It is this, rather than the way they are produced, that should determine what is called a vaccine.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  yirgach
February 8, 2022 10:35 pm

What steps were skipped in the development and release of these vaccines?

yirgach
Reply to  Kristi Silber
February 9, 2022 4:10 pm

For starters the control groups were unmasked after 6 months. Normally they are followed for 5-10 years!
We are now the control group!
All the animals (ferrets) in the test groups died.
There was no required reporting of adverse effects.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  yirgach
February 9, 2022 10:19 pm

I don’t even know what phase of the clinical trials you’re talking about, but just because the control groups were “unmasked” (by which you mean they were told whether they had gotten the vaccine, I assume?) does not mean they don’t continue to be followed.

There are several things that allowed the rapid testing of the vaccines, particularly overlapping the phases of the trial and the ease of finding participants. In addition, manufacturing happened during the clinical trials, allowing rapid deployment.

The story about the ferrets dying is untrue.

I don’t know where you got the idea that it wasn’t required to report adverse effects. Unless you can show me the evidence, I don’t believe it.

I have a hard time believing that countries all over the world, each with their own regulatory bodies, gave these companies a pass without good clinical evidence of their safety and efficacy. But then, I guess those who don’t believe that anthropogenic climate change is a danger are liable to distrust all scientists who don’t support their narratives, regardless of the quality of the research.

Reply to  Kristi Silber
February 11, 2022 6:27 pm

All the safety tests were skipped and the bad results were buried.

Regards, Allan (he, him, pureblood) (sarc/off – last line only).

otropogo
Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 16, 2022 12:32 pm

On February 13, JAMA online published a study on US insurers’ coverage of Ivermectin pdrescriptions, lamenting the terrible waste of money on a medication that is proven to be “ineffective”.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788253

Interesting is the fact that they offered no explanation for this unusual behavior on the part of medical insurers, who are usually tightwads. It doesn’t seem to have occurred to the authors that the insurers’ actuaries for some reason considered these expenditures (which amounted to about two thirds of the total cost of the medication) as cheap insurance against much more costly outcomes.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  yirgach
February 8, 2022 10:44 pm

There are major questions about future problems and we are starting to see them in myocarditis and cancer issues.”

The issue of myocarditis has been known for a year. It is very similar to that which happens in vaccines for other diseases, though it’s still poorly understood.

The connection with cancer is anecdotal, not based on data.

The way the mRNA vaccines work in the body, and the fact that all known side effects happen within a couple weeks of getting vaccinated, suggest that their potential for long-term problems is slight – much smaller than the potential for long-term problems related to covid. mRNA is broken down rapidly by the body, leaving only its effects on the immune system, which are very similar to those which happen after covid infection. Covid, on the other hand, can attack a wide range of tissues and organs, sometimes causing long-term damage.

yirgach
Reply to  Kristi Silber
February 9, 2022 4:20 pm

Oh please, the mRNA is spread throughout the body but concentrating in the heart, spleen, liver, ovaries etc. There have been NO long term studies on what this means.
We don’t want to wait for “suggestions” as to what may or may not happen. There is no need to even think like that. What is wrong with you?

Last edited 3 months ago by yirgach
Kristi Silber
Reply to  yirgach
February 11, 2022 9:35 pm

I’ve never heard that it gets concentrated anywhere, but regardless, the mRNA in the vaccines is broken down within days. What mechanism would you propose for long-term side effects from the vaccine that are any different from those of the body’s immune response to natural covid infection?

Why do you ask what’s wrong with me?

Kristi Silber
Reply to  yirgach
February 8, 2022 11:21 pm

The problem with articles like this is that they present arguments, with no counter-argument. They can pick and choose the studies they find to support their arguments, regardless of whether there might be different interpretations or studies that add more to the picture. I followed one link, and it presented data from “Our World in Data.” This appears to support the idea in the paper, but in reality it’s inconclusive. You can’t just look at percentage of people vaccinated vs. case and death rates without taking into account timing; it requires statistical analysis to make sense of the data.

Here’s a paragraph taken randomly from the article (the middle of the screen I wad up)
The fact that immunity typically drops off after a matter of weeks or months after jabs and many people get reinfected and suffer disease more than once is demonstration that T cell memory doesn’t develop significantly following COVID jabs or it’s too specific to cater for the new variants.”

First, immunity only wanes significantly after months. But more to the point, since plenty of people get infected repeatedly, why should this be an effect of “COVID jabs”? It makes no sense.

c1ue
Reply to  rbabcock
February 8, 2022 6:04 am

10% of all Americans have diabetes: https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/library/features/diabetes-stat-report.html
34 million according to the CDC!
That is a shockingly large number.

jeffery p
Reply to  Neil Lock
February 7, 2022 1:07 pm

I think your low-handing fruit idea is correct and there is more to the story. Practitioners have learned how to better treat Covid over the past 2 years and better manage the symptoms. People have also adjusted their behavior. My guess is the higher the risk a person perceives, the more he/she/ changed their behavior.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  jeffery p
February 7, 2022 5:42 pm

Doctors are being prevented from treating the disease with threats and punishment. The only treatments officially allowed have been the proprietary Remdesivir and monoclonal antibodies. Just recently they have prevented treatment with monoclonal antibodies because it doesn’t work for Omicron, however, most of the people dying have Delta.

Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 10:24 am

The whole thing is a mess.

The vaccines were supposed to prevent infection in from 65% (Jansen) to about 85% (mRNA) of adults. They obviously don’t, because immunity wanes rapidly (6 months) while the virus mutates (alpha, delta, omicron).

The vaccines were supposed to reduce severity. They might, although the data from highly vaxxed Israel now casts doubt on that. And hospitals had a financial incentive to report deaths ‘with’ as deaths ‘from’, which appears to have overstated deaths from’ by about 2x.

The Fauci emphasis on vaccines costing billions versus therapeutics costing millions (there is now good data in ivermectin efficacy as well as its mechanisms of action) is an indictment of big pharma and their profit incentives. The new Pfizer protease inhibitor looks really good—but is patented at $800/ course of treatment.

The CDC emphasis on masks was obviously misguided. We now know Covid 19 is at least partly aerosolized; we have known for years that masks are largely ineffective against aerosolized virus like flu.

The government (illegally, IMO) mandated lockdowns severely damaged the economy, yet in hindsight obviously did little to ‘stop the spread’.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 10:38 am

 I mostly agree, except I don’t blame “big pharma” for doing what they are structured to do. I do blame others (health experts ??) for not actively pushing other solutions – ivermectin, Vit D3, Zinc, etc. -. A couple of Jo Nova’s posts explained a number of possibilities. I was most disturbed to learn of our (the USA) failure to explain the importance of Vitamin D3 to overall health.  

Rud Istvan
Reply to  John Hultquist
February 7, 2022 10:51 am

John, yes but. Pharma could have conducted therapeutic trials on generic drugs that showed promise (ivermectin in Punjab) (zinc with Quercetin and VitD) but chose not to. That really is not a good look.

Fraizer
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 1:44 pm

“…Pharma could have conducted therapeutic trials on generic drugs…”

Why would they do that? They are in business to make money, not save the world. It should have been the medical community running trials and sharing clinical results but the powers that be opted to smear therapeutic treatments and the physicians that recommended them instead.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Fraizer
February 7, 2022 2:08 pm

Fair enough. Still, FUBAR.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 3:46 pm

Hi Rud,
Actually, IF there was a therapy like Ivermectin that worked for Covid-19 (which it did – extremely well), Big Pharma would not have been permitted to sell their experimental (toxic & ineffective) “vaccines” in the USA. RFK Jr ably explains this.

The level of Covid-19 corruption and data manipulation in the USA is extreme, greater than the rest of the world, where it is still huge. Ivermectin (also HCQ) was falsely vilified and effectively banned in many developed countries, including the USA and Canada.

Treatments in USA hospitals including deliberately delayed treatment, and then use of ventilators and toxic remdesivir (that destroyed livers and kidneys) needlessly increased deaths – and hospitals were given bonuses for doing so. Also, in New York and some nearby states and provinces, Covid-19-positive patients were sent into nursing homes to infect other patients and that move increased death rates.

THE ANALYSIS OF COVID-19 WAS COMPLICATED BY DELIBERATELY CORRUPTED DATA
 
The origin of the Covid-19 manufactured virus was deliberately obscured – the source of the Covid-19 virus was the Wuhan China bioweapons lab, research sponsored by Fauci’s group after this dangerous research was outlawed in the USA.
 
Here are just some of the examples of data tampering:
 
The March 2020 lockdown was never justified – there was an illness, but it was an mild-to-average winter flu with NO EXCESS WINTER DEATHS in Alberta or Canada in Winter 2019-2020.
 
Hospitals were emptied in March 2020 for a “tsunami of Covid-cases” that never happened – one typical 600-bed Alberta hospital averaged less than 5 Covid-cases during its two-month Covid-19 shutdown.
 
In both Canada and the USA, PCR tests were run at a concentration factor of ~45, which gives an enormous bias towards false positives.
 
There was no increase in total deaths in Alberta and in Canada to July 1, 2020. No “death bump” above the trend line means no real pandemic, full stop! Scamdemic, yes! Casedemic, yes! Pandemic, no!
 
The Covid-19 lockdown was completely unjustified – pure government propaganda.
 The average age of deaths in Alberta attributed to COVID-19 was 82 and that was true until the commencement of the toxic vaccinations. That number has now declined to about 78 as more younger people die from the vaccines.
 
Many countries including the USA and Canada label people as “UNvaccinated” until 14 days after their second Covid-19 shot (or their first shot for single-dose injections like J&J). That is how they falsely concealed the many deaths and illnesses caused by the vaccines within the “Unvaxxed” population.
 
In the USA, reported Covid-19 deaths were more than ten times per capita Covid-19 deaths in Alberta – because many non-Covid USA deaths in the USA were falsely coded as Covid-19. The actual number of Covid-19 deaths in the USA was actually about 1/16 of the reported deaths. The USA coding definition was changed in March 2020 so that every death with a positive PCR test was coded as Covid-19 – even vehicle accident deaths were labelled Covid-19 – Fraud!

The above facts just “scratch the surface” of the global Covid-19 fraud.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 4:15 pm

This is an edited note from a friend:
For those of you who have followed what is happening, beyond that which is expressed by governments and the WHO and public health, this will not be new information. It will be a reaffirmation of what we have “known for the last ~23 months. 
It does, however give us a clear idea on how the evidence and the witnesses are being organized. 
Reiner Fuellmich and Viviana Fischer ( Germany) have assembled the case in the International Criminal Court against the Covid-19 scammers. Michael Swinwood is acting for Canada.
This “Model Court Proceeding” brings to light just how our governments and institutions have been captured and corrupted..
Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum has spoken publicly that more than “half the Cabinet” in Canada is controlled through the WEF. It’s the same in all the other Western (former) democracies.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/pbl2FDKid1ea/

I published all the key points of this video ~one year ago (re the toxic Covid-19 “vaccines”) and ~two years ago (re the needless, harmful lockdowns) in letters to our governments.
It didn’t change their flawed approach – because it was always their scam.
– Allan MacRae
 
The following video (25 minutes) is even more alarming;
“Dr. Abdul Alim Mohammed explains how the “Covid-unvaxxed” get infected with the spike proteins when near the “super-spreader vaxxed.”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/UoocXvME7kEE/

Regards, Allan (pureblood, he, him)  🙂
[Dear mudbloods, I am “pulling on your leg” (Gru) but only in this last line.]

Last edited 3 months ago by Allan MacRae
Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 8, 2022 10:26 pm

As we already knew – and it’s the same in the USA, the UK, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, France and so on. Your clue:
Every country that embraced the “Global Warming & Green Energy Fraud” and the “Covid-19 Lockdown & Vaccine Fraud” is part of this global scam.

Traitors all! Nuremberg 2.0 will need a big tent.

MUST SEE VIDEO: JUSTIN TRUDEAU GETS OUTED BY HIS OWN BROTHER KYLE AS PAWN OF NEW WORLD ORDER TAKING ORDERS FROM BILDERBERG AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
Justin Trudeau’s own half-brother outed him for being a pawn of the globalist elites.
February 8, 2022

Kyle Kemper, who is Justin’s half-brother and son of Margaret Trudeau’s second husband Fried Kemper, told The Western Standard that his brother is a pawn of the New World Order and takes orders from Bilderberg and the Council on Foreign Relations.
Transcript via The Truth Seeker.
“He is the face and the lead spokesperson of the Canadian government, but the policies and initiatives that are driving it and are driving this narrative that he continues to push, that in my opinion is anti-freedom and anti-Canadian, is coming down from the higher ups, from groups like the World Economic Forum, the Council on Foreign Relations, and Bilderberg. They recognise they need to have these strong agents within governments and one thing we have seen within governments all around the world are weak leaders who are able to act as spokespeople.”
“He is not speaking from his heart. I don’t honestly believe… it’s not candid, there is no actual discussion. He is not allowed to actually engage with the Freedom Convoy and with these people, because there is a lot to unpack here and there are a lot of serious questions.”
“Also when you look at the history of people like Jeffrey Epstein and what their role was, to trap people and blackmail people, and you think about a life of opulence and opportunity, you make mistakes and you get coerced into doing something bad.”
“Blackmail is a very powerful tool.”

Last edited 3 months ago by Allan MacRae
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 4:56 pm

I’ve done ~4000 hours research on Covid-19 and have an infinitely better predictive track record than our governments, who got everything wrong from the start (and meant to).
 
For anyone who wants the proved detail, it’s here:
SCIENTIFIC COMPETENCE – THE ABILITY TO CORRECTLY PREDICT
by Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng.
October 20, 2021. Update February 5, 2022
https://correctpredictions.ca/
“The ability to correctly predict is the best objective measure of scientific and technical competence.”
 
Regards, Allan
 
Epilogue:
I warned one year ago (8Jan2021) about the toxic and ineffective Covid-19 “Vaccines’.
I never thought it would be so difficult to stop people from harming and killing their own children.

TOLD YOU SO, ONE YEAR AGO.
For the record – emailed to our Alberta and Federal governments 8January2021
 
SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATIONS RE COVID-19
 
There is no real Covid-19 pandemic. Covid-19 was only dangerous to the very elderly and infirm, and is similar in average mortality to other seasonal flu’s of recent decades.
 
The Covid-19 PCR test is not fit-for-purpose and provides many false positives.
 
Routine testing of asymptomatic people is a waste of resources and drives erroneous policies including lockdowns.
 
The Covid-19 lockdowns were never effective or justified. Harm done by the lockdowns exceeds by 10 to 100 times the harm from Covid-19. End all lockdowns now and do not lockdown again.
 
Simple, inexpensive treatments are known to save lives – Vitamin D, Ivermectin etc. Why are these treatments not being widely recommended and implemented by Alberta authorities?
 
The increase in deaths of the elderly in Winter is a well-established seasonal phenomenon. “Excess Winter Deaths” in the four Winter months routinely average about 100,000 per year in the USA and about 10,000 per year in Canada, as described on our 2015 Summary of Excess Winter Mortality that includes the landmark Lancet study.

The Covid-19 vaccine developments were rushed and are not proven safe or effective and should NOT be taken, especially by the low-risk population – those under-65 or recovered from Covid-19. The two experimental Covid-19 vaccines that contain mRNA (Pfizer and Moderna) are especially risky – due to unknown future side-effects, the risk-to-reward is far too high for the low-risk group. 
 
Regards, Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng.
 
My friends – here is what our corrupt governments did to our kids:

SEN. RON JOHNSON SENDS LETTER TO SEC. OF DEFENSE DEMANDING INFORMATION ON SHOCKINGLY HIGH COVID-19 VACCINE INJURY AMONG MILITARY PERSONNEL
By Jim Hoft
Published February 4, 2022 at 8:30am
[excerpt]
“Based on data from the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED), Renz reported that these whistleblowers found a significant increase in registered diagnoses on DMED for miscarriages, cancer, and many other medical conditions in 2021 compared to a five-year average from 2016-2020.2 For example, at the roundtable Renz stated that registered diagnoses for neurological issues increased 10 times from a five-year average of 82,000 to 863,000 in 2021,” Sen. Johnson wrote.
Sen. Johnson included in his letter the following medical conditions presented by Renz:

  • Hypertension – 2,181% increase
  • Diseases of the nervous system – 1,048% increase
  • Malignant neoplasms of esophagus – 894% increase
  • Multiple sclerosis – 680% increase
  • Malignant neoplasms of digestive organs – 624% increase
  • Guillain-Barre syndrome – 551% increase
  • Breast cancer – 487% increase
  • Demyelinating – 487% increase
  • Malignant neoplasms of thyroid and other endocrine glands – 474% increase
  • Female infertility – 472% increase
  • Pulmonary embolism – 468% increase
  • Migraines – 452% increase
  • Ovarian dysfunction – 437% increase
  • Testicular cancer – 369% increase
  • Tachycardia – 302% increase

These are stunning numbers.

[This is the last time I allow one of your spammy cut and pastes–cr]

Corky
Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 7, 2022 5:55 pm

COVID is just a delivery system. Like alcohol or other recreational drugs. The medical and pharmaceutical industries only care about mining and profiting on the greatest resource on the planet – humans.

Reply to  Corky
February 8, 2022 1:18 am

Some of our physicians are better than that. I read them.

Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 8, 2022 1:17 am

The above data of Covid-19 “vaccine”-caused serious injuries is some of the most important data anywhere, proving the Covid-19 “vaccines” are highly toxic – from a huge, highly credible USA Military database. That is why I published this abridged version.
The serious, too-often fatal toxicity of the Covid-19 “vaccines” is not a close call – I nailed it in an open letter to our governments ~13 months ago on 8Jan2021. For the past year and more I’ve tried (and mostly failed) to save our kids from these “kill shots”.
Two questions for all of you:

  1. How is it that this very serious Covid-19 “vaccine” toxicity has been concealed from the official narrative for so long?
  2. What would you do if one of your loved ones was killed or life-injured by a toxic Covid-19 “vaccine”? (Don’t answer)

“Schlachthaus 6.”

paul courtney
Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 8, 2022 5:44 am

Mr. Macrae: I read your posts and learn, but the mod is right, you gotta find a way to brevity.

otropogo
Reply to  paul courtney
February 8, 2022 10:09 am

Mr. Macrae:…the mod is right, you gotta find a way to brevity.”

I strongly disagree. The post the moderator disparaged contains important information I have not come across before, and this despite getting weekly bulletins on Covid from JAMA, and having assembled 5,800 files in my Covid folder using up 1.7GB of my hdd. Brevity is something you can’t reasonably expect when someone is struggling to debunk a torrent of misinformation flowing from all of the major broadcast systems of the world.

PCman999
Reply to  paul courtney
February 9, 2022 10:26 pm

I had no problem with it, though he should offer to write an article on it, and then he’ll have even more room to list the sources and show some graphs

Reply to  PCman999
February 10, 2022 11:38 pm

PCMan – my last 3 articles were declined by wattsup.
I think they are way ahead of the pack. 🙂

SCIENTIFIC COMPETENCE – THE ABILITY TO CORRECTLY PREDICT October 20, 2021. Update February 5, 2022
https://correctpredictions.ca/
 
CLIMATE CHANGE, COVID-19, AND THE GREAT RESET – A Climate, Energy and Covid Primer for Politicians and Media March 21, 2021, Update 1e May 8, 2021
https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/climate-change-covid-19-and-the-great-reset-update-1e-readonly.docx
 
THE CATASTROPHIC ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING (CAGW) AND THE HUMANMADE CLIMATE CHANGE CRISES ARE PROVED FALSE January 10, 2020
https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/the-catastrophic-anthropogenic-global-warming-cagw-and-the-humanmade-climate-change-crises-are-proved-false.pdf
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otropogo
Reply to  PCman999
February 13, 2022 8:04 pm

Allan won’t have this particular problem, not being in the least bit shy. But did you know that those who prefer to post via a pseudonym must provide their legal name and official email address to this forum’s owner if they wish to publish an article here?

What is that? Little brother?

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 8, 2022 7:07 am

“The vaccines are completely safe”

UK Prime Mendicant, Boris Johnson.

otropogo
Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 8, 2022 9:56 am

“[This is the last time I allow one of your spammy cut and pastes–cr]”

I don’t see how Allan MacRae’s “cut and paste” can fairly be called “spammy”. I would say the above comment constitutes abuse of editorial power.

Charles Rotter(@jeeztheadmin)
Admin
Reply to  otropogo
February 8, 2022 9:59 am

cool, I’ll tell the manager.

Ruleo
Reply to  otropogo
February 8, 2022 2:51 pm

Agree

Curious George(@moudryj)
Reply to  Fraizer
February 7, 2022 3:59 pm

“the powers that be opted to smear therapeutic treatments and the physicians that recommended them instead.”
That’s how Pharma make their money. Nothing to do with medicine – just the opposite of it. Remember “do no harm”?

Drake
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 10:55 pm

SO!

The wife and I were taking Quercetin (which we learned about on WUWT)(specifically 7EN from Life not Labs) with D3 2000 iu and zinc 25 mg, along with added D3 to get to 6000 iu for me, 4000 for her. We both finally, after traveling the country for over 22,000 miles since the start of the China virus, caught it.

Our son, having not visited LV for a while, came in at Christmas and visited many friends. He came to our cabin and spent New Years with us and came down with symptoms.

As soon as he showed the symptoms I started taking Hydroxychloroquine and started him on it also. My wife did not. I had the prescription for the H just in case. Since he had previously had hepatitis, and H can be hard on the liver, he was given 1/2 the normal dose. It was probably a mistake to reduce his dosage.

I am diabetic, slightly overweight, 10 lbs. or so, and almost 66, my wife is 70. I took the H for 7 days 3 days before I showed symptoms and 4 days after they started, then stopped after most symptoms stopped. We both had mild symptoms for about 3 days but that was followed by a persistent cough for more than 2 weeks. I am over it all but my wife still has an occasional cough. She walks at 8600 feet for 5 or so miles most days with no problem.

Our son, in his 50s and although he exercises a lot is overweight by probably 20 to 25 pounds, had a worse case. He took H for 6 days, regular dose 2 times the first day then reduced the remaining days. He lost his sense of smell and taste. He showed fever for several days, cough, etc., but within 5 days was able to travel home and go back to work. Within 10 days he was back to the gym, etc. After over a month he is still not all the way back to full smell and taste.

BTW, we did not get tested, no need, and have been mostly isolated at our cabin since 1-1. Not to quarantine, but because we were going to be here anyway.

Of course this is all anecdotal, just our experiences.

Drake

ps. Thanks to the commenters who mentioned Q. We started taking it about 10 months ago. I had an issue with the zinc while taking 50 mg a day, 20 in the 7EN plus 25 in tablet form about 2 months after I started that regime. It was a common symptom of eye irritation, so stopped taking the 7EN with zinc and went to 4EN without zinc

. I stayed away from the zinc for about 2 months and the eye issue resolved then started back with 7EN without any additional zinc and have had no issues since.

Reply to  Drake
February 8, 2022 12:07 am

Hi Drake,
See my note below re IVM. I think IVM is gentler and more effective than HCQ. Had a 95% five-day IVM cure for three people who were quite sick with Omicron – could be just anecdotal, etc. But it worked quickly for 200 million in Uttar Pradesh, with a 1 billion control group.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/02/07/a-return-to-the-land-of-covidia/#comment-3449182
I take Vitamins D3, K2, C, Quercetin, Zinc (max ~15mg.day), Melatonin at bedtime. Have a teenager in school (plague ward) and never sick.
Careful not to overdo the Zinc — most multivitamins have enough..
Best, Allan

Last edited 3 months ago by Allan MacRae
Reply to  John Hultquist
February 7, 2022 10:52 am

however big Pharma is buying politicians to achieve these goals and that’s a huge problem. The biggest problem though is that we have given the government the power in the first place to dictate these policies. Governments are by natural evil and unfortunately also to a limited extent necessary, so it is incumbent on everyone to oppose government growth at all times, so it is on us we get what we deserve.

Reply to  bob boder
February 8, 2022 1:22 am

Thank you Bob – good comment.
I’ll vote for anyone who says, “Hey! I’ll do a whole lot LESS for you!”

Scissor
Reply to  John Hultquist
February 7, 2022 11:18 am

Some lawmakers (mostly democrats) have even tried to make dietary supplements, including vitamins and minerals, only available by prescription. So far they have failed.

hiskorr
Reply to  John Hultquist
February 7, 2022 1:05 pm

You cannot separate Big Pharma from Big Government Bureaucracy. BGB gets the money and gives most of it to BP. They had both spent millions for decades on their pet mRNA supervax. This was their chance to get billions, at the expense of hundreds of thousands of lives lost for want of effective treatment. What they produced was a somewhat effective temporary treatment with unknown side effects. They even had to change the definition of “vaccine” to call it a vax. BP and BGB are both swimming in the same sewer.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  hiskorr
February 7, 2022 5:57 pm

Funny, just a few hours ago articles came out talking about Pfizer’s pile of cash. It looks like their stimmy check has cashed.

John Hultquist
Reply to  John Hultquist
February 7, 2022 1:32 pm

{To those above or below; not knowing where this will go}
Some of you, likely, are investors. Are you suggesting that pharmaceutical companies neglect the fiduciary duty to shareholders? I think so.
It is not their urgent concern to initiate trials of generic chemicals. Had the national organizations said we’ll give you X number of $$$ to investigate said generic drugs and Nonpharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs) and gotten refusals – then I would fault those companies.
I fault our elected and appointed officials and would dismiss some of them with prejudice or dishonorable discharge, or even a bad conduct discharge.  

czechlist
Reply to  John Hultquist
February 7, 2022 3:50 pm

I am suspicious of everything which involves government money, incentives and bureaucrats.For profit medical institutions areundoubtedly tempted to falsely report cases which result in profits. Government organizations who act as clearing houses to collect and report data have political motives to provide desired results. With the technology available, why is data only available through last July? Is the reporting unreliable? Why?Perhaps the numbers need adjusting?Why?
Money and power corrupt.
yes I am a skeptic and cynical. 54 years of observation from Nam to now did that to me.

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  czechlist
February 8, 2022 7:12 am

and rightly so – even this Limey is aware of the warnings about this in Ike’s farewell address and the predictions that came to pass….

https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=90&page=transcript

“Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been over shadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  John Hultquist
February 8, 2022 3:17 am

merk HAD the patent to IVM its expired
they said they trialled it but never showed a skerrick of data to show it didnt work

c1ue
Reply to  John Hultquist
February 8, 2022 6:08 am

I disagree.
Big Pharma buying off politicians and media to push more vax – that’s not structured business, that is corporate sociopathy.
It is the logical extension of “pharma sales reps”.
2/3rds of pharma profits are from the US alone; they are not the only cause but are a major reason why we Americans pay $1.5T or more in excess medical spending EVERY YEAR more for health care compared to any other 1st or 2nd world nation.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 10:49 am

Rud, the data I have studied suggests that vaccines do help reduce hospitalizations (and hence, presumably, deaths). But in Europe at least, there is no case that face masks do anything to control the virus. Please see my latest article on the subject at: https://misesuk.org/2022/02/03/covid-19-the-europe-wide-picture/.

Scissor
Reply to  Neil Lock
February 7, 2022 11:25 am

Another side of this story is harm caused by vaccines.

jeffery p
Reply to  Neil Lock
February 7, 2022 12:31 pm

Neil, it seems every week in the US there is another agency pushing masks for preventing the spread of Covid. The media touts the official proclamations and the official conclusions of the studies. But never any details on the studies or how the conclusions were reached.

It should be obvious by now that masks don’t work as well as the experts claim. All of the studies lack any context of human behavior. How many people actually wear a mask correctly?

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 12:27 pm

Rud, quit kidding yourself….
“…ivermectin efficacy…” Many doctors did their own Ivermectin trials….to no proveable avail….basically it doesn’t really work except as a placebo…as prophylactic treatment, 98% recovered proving nothing more than the same recovery as the general population, in the ICU ill, 15% died also proving that around 20% of people going into ICU don’t come out alive. In the middle illness level, the following….
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/03/ivermectin-doesnt-speed-recovery-mild-covid-19-study-shows
but it pretty good against parasites….

Solar Mutant Ninjaneer
Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 7, 2022 2:39 pm

These 78 studies seem to disagree?
https://ivmmeta.com/

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Solar Mutant Ninjaneer
February 7, 2022 7:19 pm

Junk numbers…..2/40 vs 6/45 is a 62% improvement in one I randomly picked…. That’s like saying saying 2 dead soldiers out of 40 today versus 6 dead out of 46 yesterday is a 62% improvement in battle tactics. Just justifying nonsense by cherry picking and fudging.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 8, 2022 3:21 am

ah like pfizer fiddled stats to get the supposed 98% result

paul courtney
Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 7, 2022 2:41 pm

Mr. McKenzie: Who’s kidding whom? Many doctors? How many risked their license, their practice, to conduct such trials? Maybe we didn’t hear about it because if they reported results, they would have been hauled before a (pre-determined outcome) board. Try visiting JoNova’s site for a refreshing update on your ivermectin research. Then again, if you didn’t notice the censoring of the few doctors who tried to get word out of good results with ivermectin, probably won’t take the hint.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  paul courtney
February 7, 2022 7:41 pm

IVM is an over-the-counter or behind-the-counter med in most places in the world…so nobody risked their licence…probably administered as a last ditch effort in an attempt to soothe panicked relatives…at a point where the mortality rate was extremely high, so results were never published…. because they were meaningless.

And I like Jo Nova’s articles on Oz science failures but Ivm studies in El Salvador and Brazil aren’t her forte.

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paul courtney
Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 8, 2022 5:52 am

Mr. MacKenzie: You are so ill-informed, you’re not worth mocking.

Ruleo
Reply to  paul courtney
February 8, 2022 2:53 pm

It’s frightening how wrong he is.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2022 7:33 pm

Did you read these ? Sample sizes of a hundred or less with high recoveries whether IVM or placebo. Really just show that a Pfizer or Moderna vaxxination is way more effective. Check their studies. And they were pretty crappy too, but at least not inconclusive…..

Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 8, 2022 1:01 am

If I only compare the non existing sideeffects of IVM with these of the vaxxes…..

Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 8, 2022 9:17 pm

Mods – this post disappeared in moderation.
Apologies – it was posted before my recent lessons in brevity.
I don’t see anything subversive, offensive or (even) off-topic.
Also includes praise for Willis E – “so nice I had to say it twice.”

Formerly posted (attempt) at:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/02/07/a-return-to-the-land-of-covidia/#comment-3449371
 
I strongly disagree DMack. I say Ivermectin & Zinc works quickly, safely and effectively to treat Covid-19 and the “vaccines” are toxic and ineffective. My ~4000 hours of research and accurate published predictive track record on Covid-19 lockdowns and “vaccines” says so.
 
Re correct predictions:
Recognition is due to Willis, who correctly published on 21Mar2020:
 
21March2020 – Willis Eschenbach
The economic damage from the current insane “shelter-in-place” regulations designed to thwart the coronavirus is going to be huge—lost jobs, shuttered businesses, economic downturn, stock market losses. This doesn’t count the personal cost in things like increased suicides and domestic and other violence.
 
W’s above comment is now known to be correct. A masterpiece Sir!
 
Fully independently, on the same day I published:
 
21March2020 – Allan MacRae
LET’S CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH:
Isolate people over sixty-five and those with poor immune systems and return to business-as-usual for people under sixty-five.
This will allow “herd immunity” to develop much sooner and older people will thus be more protected AND THE ECONOMY WON’T CRASH.
 
and on
 
22March2020 – Allan MacRae
This full-lockdown scenario is especially hurting service sector businesses and their minimum-wage employees – young people are telling me they are “financially under the bus”. The young are being destroyed to protect us over-65’s. A far better solution is to get them back to work and let us oldies keep our distance, and get “herd immunity” established ASAP – in months not years. Then we will all be safe again.
 
My above comments are essentially the same as the Great Barrington Declaration by world experts, published 6 months later on 4Oct2021.
 
For me, the most difficult part of Covid-19 analysis was wading through swamps of falsified data to find a few reliable facts – the Covid-19 “false-pandemic” (actually a “casedemic” or a “scamdemic”) has been a global-scale fraud from Day 1. Trillions of dollars and millions of lives have been wasted with harmful and ineffective lockdowns and “vaccines”. Time for Nuremberg 2.0!

Post Script:
So how did two gentlemen from California and Alberta, neither of whom have doctorates in medicine or medical research, independently and correctly call the Covid-19 lockdowns “unjustified and very harmful” two years ago when so many government medical experts, thousands of them, got it 100% wrong, and then stayed 100% wrong for two years? [Insert strong expletive here]

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 1:43 pm

It’s obvious that Covid was never primarily spread by close-range droplets. It’s been airborne from the start, it would never have spread around the world as quickly as it did if it weren’t.

Edim
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 7, 2022 2:33 pm

It was the panic/hysteria and tests that spread quickly.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Edim
February 7, 2022 3:53 pm

So all those deaths early on were imaginary. Gotcha.

Edim
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 7, 2022 4:12 pm

Deaths were not imaginary, why would you claim that. Excess mortality, if any – many countries had average, was caused by the reaction – lockdowns, other measures, fear (nocebo), aggressive and unnecessary therapies (ventilators, antivirals, steroids, sedatives…)… There is simply no evidence for any new virus/disease. It’s rebranded common cold, influenza, pneumonia and many more.

Ruleo
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 8, 2022 3:00 pm

Indeed they were. I bet you take CIA’s word Russia is going to invade Ukraine…

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 9, 2022 1:52 am

Jeff A: A few Facts:
 
There was NO increase in total death trends in Alberta or Canada to 1July2020 – no total death increase means NO REAL PANDEMIC.
 
Hospitals in Alberta were emptied for eight weeks starting ~mid-March 2020 to make room for a “tsunami of Covid-19 patients” THAT NEVER ARRIVED!
 
The only evidence used to support the Scamdemic was highly inflated (~45-cycle) Covid-19 PCR tests that were deliberately corrupted to yield huge numbers of false positives – a “Casedemic”..
 
The average age of Covid-19 deaths in Alberta to ~end-2020 was 82, vs an average lifespan of Albertans of ~79. These were very elderly, unwell people who were already at the end of their lives.
 
USA Covid-19 stats were completely corrupted and unreliable – you cannot use them.
 
The level of overblown rhetoric used by wolves to panic the sheep was unequalled in our history. It was pure false propaganda.
 
The lockdowns, masking etc were ineffective, unjustified and economically destructive and probably deliberately so.
 
The Covid-19 “vaccines were highly toxic and increasingly ineffective and probably deliberately so.
 
It is impossible to believe that any of this was an accident. No rational person or group could be this obtuse, this wrong for this long.

Last edited 3 months ago by Allan MacRae
Robert W Turner
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 5:45 pm

Everyone should listen to the forbidden Dr Robert Malone podcast with Rogan. It is worse than you think.

Steve
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 8, 2022 7:28 am

There is no alpha,delta,omicron corona virus.The virus never has been isolated.It doesn’t exist.The “pandemic” is the mass media,virologists and “experts” fearmongering and mass hysteria.The vaccines are making people ill not the dreaded coronavirus.People still get the flu but there never was this much panic over the flu.My entire streetblock got all their shots and all went down with bad symptoms.Some still going on weeks/months later.I didn’t get sick because i’m the only one who didn’t run to the local vaccination center like a scared sheep.

Reply to  Steve
February 8, 2022 8:33 am

Hi Steve,
I must be brief. 🙂 You are partly right and party wrong, imo.
Dr Robert Malone, co-inventor of mRNA technology, says there IS an identified Covid-19 virus. I think he has adequate street-cred.
You are correct that the majority of illnesses attributed to the Covid-19 virus were actually caused by the toxic “vaccines”, through adverse reactions and vaccine-reduced immunity to all manner of illnesses, aka “ADE”. Sadly, these will continue. The challenge now is to develop effective treatments for the vaccine-injured.
Some people are actually calling them “mudbloods” on the blogosphere – just wrong!
Regards, Allan (he, him, pureblood) (satire/off)

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paul courtney
Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 8, 2022 12:57 pm

Mr. MacRae: “I must be brief.” My compliments to you. Thick skin looks good on you. And I repeat, I learn from your posts. Regards, Paul

Ruleo
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 8, 2022 2:49 pm

“And hospitals had a financial incentive to report deaths ‘with’ as deaths ‘from’, which appears to have overstated deaths from’ by about 2x.”

The ‘from” is 5.5% of the “with” numbers.

Fewer people have died from Covid each year than have died from non-commercial vehicular accidents.

Reply to  Ruleo
February 13, 2022 7:33 am

Correct for the USA at ~5.5%, I had ~1/16 = ~6%.
Death with Covid, not death from Covid. Fraud from Day 1..

commieBob
February 7, 2022 10:24 am

However, I am wholly and completely opposed to all mandates and passports.

The vaccines dramatically reduce folks’ chances of hospitalization and death. They do not reduce the chances of becoming infected and they do not reduce the chances of passing that infection on to others … especially with Omicron. link

At this point, with all the data we have, there’s no excuse for mandates and passports.

AWG
Reply to  commieBob
February 7, 2022 11:03 am

The vaccines dramatically reduce folks’ chances of hospitalization and death. 

We didn’t do any control studies so that statement is without any sort of evidence or merit. Its just unsubstantiated propaganda. It may have a feel of truthiness to it, but irrational emotions don’t often comport with reality.

OTOH, since there is no control group, it also can’t be proven to be false.

commieBob
Reply to  AWG
February 7, 2022 12:04 pm

The control group is those who have chosen not to be vaccinated.

Anyway, do you not believe in epidemiological evidence?

Doug
Reply to  commieBob
February 7, 2022 12:40 pm

And those who chose to not be vaccinated now have the strongest immunity according to more than 140 studies. What is quite interesting is that so few people who survived the SARS event 20 years ago were infected by this new round of Covid virus indicating a long lasting immunity.
I personally was not vaccinated and am very happy that I chose to forgo what I considered a very risky , under tested vaccine . The fact that there were no generation studies in lab animals means that we really do not know what the future generations of those who chose to be vaccinated will face .
Its my prayer that there will never be any of those ambulance chasing t v adds that begin with “ If you were vaccinated for the Covid 19 virus, you may be eligible for recompense .
That would add tragedy to tragedy.

commieBob
Reply to  Doug
February 7, 2022 4:13 pm

And those who chose to not be vaccinated now have the strongest immunity according to more than 140 studies.

Yep. Omicron is the vaccine we were unable to create.

hiskorr
Reply to  commieBob
February 7, 2022 1:10 pm

Do you not understand the definition of “control group”?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  commieBob
February 8, 2022 3:25 am

pfizer and prob merk too went and vaccinated ALL their control groups asap hardly appropriate

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  ozspeaksup
February 8, 2022 7:05 am

Not to mention that clinical trials are not complete, and – by definition – no long term trials have taken place. Initial trials also sidelined vulnerable groups and were only blind studies for the first pass.

FAIL.

Given Pfeizer’s past I’m astonished anyone has accepted their mRna toxin jab (remember, the lipid nanoparticles which transport the mRNA into wherever (and the spike proteins all over the place where they should NOT be) are also toxic.

Me, I choose my poisons.

commieBob
Reply to  Jeremy Poynton
February 8, 2022 4:00 pm

Yep. The vaccine hesitant have plenty of reason to be distrustful. Needlepoints

Doug
Reply to  AWG
February 7, 2022 12:30 pm

Agreed.. without a control group any such statement is conjecture.

RickWill
Reply to  AWG
February 7, 2022 1:15 pm

We didn’t do any control studies so that statement is without any sort of evidence or merit.

What we do have is international comparisons. Australia maintained mobility restrictions and lockdowns until 80% of the adult population was vaccinated. The restrictions eased while delta was still present in the community. This link compares USA and Australia death rates:
https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Australia&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=United%20States#countries-normalized

Australia now has more than 90% of the population vaccinated. 

Excess deaths in Australia during 2020 and 2021 is negative i.e. lower than the 2015-2019 average.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  RickWill
February 7, 2022 3:38 pm

But does Australia have a problem with disease carrying illegals being allowed in and then having them spread all over the country?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Tom in Florida
February 8, 2022 3:29 am

no because we ALWAYS have kept our immigration borders high and offshored the illegals for good reason Hep TB etc

ozspeaksup
Reply to  RickWill
February 8, 2022 3:28 am

gee listen to OUR media and the death tolls staggering
ha ha no its isnt actually much higher than a normal bad flu yr like we had just prior full hospitals and all sorts opf whingeing about overworked nurses casualty and ambos
nothing much has changed

PCman999
Reply to  RickWill
February 9, 2022 10:49 pm

Australia was turned into a sea of concentration camps, with restrictions even between individual states, and tighter travel restrictions than most countries. So no need for vaccines if there is almost no contact between people.

In Canada, the government dropped the ball by delaying travel restrictions, and otoh the provinces should have kept things open like Sweden, especially schools – covid is mostly asymptotic or mild so free vaccination for most. They could have focused there energies and money on the elderly and their care homes, where most of the deaths happened.

Bill Powers
February 7, 2022 10:24 am

When it comes to bureaucracies I come down on the side of misinformation but thanks for doing the legwork Willis. I wonder did we categorize people who died from complications of Cold and flu before the dreaded (taxpayer funded gain of function) “covid contraction” march we have been locked down and mandated over since 2019? Do we know from year to year how many people caught colds (a corona virus)? I have heard that labs cannot distinguish between cold, Flu, and the Wuhan on a blood panel. Is that true? Is anything true or is it all just Newspeak?

BTW, Live in ex-fiancee? Is she your gorgeous girlfriend or your good looking room mate? Inquiring minds want to know

n.n
Reply to  Bill Powers
February 7, 2022 10:34 am

Or wife.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Bill Powers
February 7, 2022 10:42 am

There is a lot of misinformation out there. Some ‘facts’ from my decade plus tenure as CEO of a novel infection control company:

  1. Colds are caused by three groups of viruses—about 100 variants of rhinovirus account for about 65%, four (now 5 with omicron) coronaviruses account for about 30%, and one adenovirus accounts for about 5%.
  2. It is absolutely possible (and fairly easy and cheap) to distinguish the various cold types from flus even tho both are symptomatically URI’s. But NOT via a blood panel, via genetic sequence analysis of nasal or throat swabs.
  3. Flu is tracked by CDC for next years flu shot formulation purposes. Colds are not. And both ‘cold’ and ‘flu’ deaths are usually ‘with’ thanks to co-morbidities like age, obesity, and heart disease, rather than ‘from’.
jeffery p
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 12:35 pm

Minor correction — flu deaths and cases are estimated. I don’t know the quality of those estimates, but the numbers aren’t actually counted.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  jeffery p
February 7, 2022 1:05 pm

JP, at least some (enough to be statistically valid) flu is actually lab confirmed, because we need to know which are the most prevalent HxNy strains. The presumption in the annual tri or quadrivalent flu vaccine is that the strains most common end this year will (at least at the start of the next flu season before mutations set in) be most prevalent next year. In a ‘good’ vaccine year there might be a 70-80% match. In a ‘bad’ vaccine year, the match is below 50%.

In the 2009-2010 swine flu panic, the match was essentially zero. What eventually saved the day in the northern hemisphere was global flu vaccine capacity was turned on a dime to generate as much monovalent swine flu vaccine as possible, the main constraint being sufficient sterile fertilized chicken eggs from special farms.

I was close to ground zero; got 3 out of 4 EUA points FDA approved (we didn’t have ready production capacity). My FDA regulatory guy caught it in South America on vacation and died that June.

c1ue
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 8, 2022 6:11 am

“sterile fertilized” –> sterilized fertilized eggs?

GregK
Reply to  jeffery p
February 8, 2022 2:04 am

In a somewhere like Australia flu deaths are actually counted but even in the USA flu deaths are mostly estimated [sorry, “modelled”] as most states don’t report deaths. Try estimating/modelling flu deaths in other “wheres” like Zimbabwe, Syria, Afghanistan….

So it’s guesswork and next year’s flu vaccine will cover the likely flu variants based on information from countries that report what’s going on [rich countries]. No one has a clue what flu is doing in a large part of the world.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 8, 2022 3:32 am

I had a stonker of a flu prior to dec 19 fever for days slept upright cos coughing and muck on chest etc went to hosp when felt short of breath l;ab tests? said I didnt have a cold OR flu
figure that out cos I couldnt
did go onto 2x abiotic for the pneumonia that followed my not a cold etc though

Bill Powers
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 8, 2022 7:30 am

Thanks for the input Rud. So I read that 80% of Covid Deaths are with co-morbidities such as obesity, diabetes, age, etc. rather than from Covid. Maybe you could elaborate. But what i really want to understand is why we tract and report out on social media, News media, print media, et al. the contraction numbers on Covid as if it were a probable death sentence? It seems that if we compare the co-morbidity death rate to that of Cold and flu we would be looking at similar patterns with disparate panic. What am I missing?

Bill Powers
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 8, 2022 7:21 am

2 thumbs up. Willis, you must have a gr8 sense of humor.

John McCabe
February 7, 2022 10:29 am

FWIW, wrt:

> I see lots of folks saying that school kids should be vaccinated … but there
> have only been 155 deaths of kids under 15, and the overwhelming majority
> of those had serious co-morbidities.

The idea of kids being vaccinated is that there’s some evidence that, while vaccination doesn’t completely prevent passing on the disease, it does reduce the possibility. Vaccinating kids isn’t really about preventing their deaths (other than the small number with the issues you described); it’s about trying to reduce the spread of the disease to more vulnerable people, like their grandparents, great-grandparents etc.

HTH

Rud Istvan
Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 10:53 am

That would be true if the vaccines worked like vaccines. But they don’t.

Tom.1
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 12:09 pm

Do you have data to show that vaccinations are ineffective against hospitalization and death?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 1:09 pm

Yes—not fully ineffective, just much less effective than originally thought. In Israel, over 80% are ‘fully’ vaccinated (used to be 3, now 4 jabs). But data from Israeli hospitals last week said that 80% of hospitalizations with severe symptoms are ‘fully’ vaxxed.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Tom.1
February 8, 2022 3:35 am

no BUT they do NOT actually have data to show they are
just claims
since 98% of covid cases dont die anyway…or get really il for the most part the claims are pretty rickety

Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 10:56 am

The risks out weight the benefit, I can’t image my parents or grandparents ever expecting children to take on a risk to protect them selves. This highlights the never ending selfness of the hippy generations everything is about them.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  bob boder
February 7, 2022 2:28 pm

I’m in the 65+ group with several co-morbidities. I went for the jab because I felt the benefits outweighed the risks. My wife and sons don’t have any co-morbidities, are not vaccinated, and won’t be. Well, my sons won’t until they hit 18 and decide for themselves.

Mike
Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 11:01 am

I strongly recommend you go to the our world in data website and review the data for Israel. They are likely the most vaccinated country in the world. Then look at the same data for Africa. If you still believe the vaccine prevents the infection and spread of covid after reviewing this data then I don’t really know what to tell you.

Tom.1
Reply to  Mike
February 7, 2022 12:13 pm

The US death rate is 2,774/million; Israel is 984. The African countries are not the correct comparison. How about Japan and South Korea?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 1:10 pm

US death rate is overestimated. See comment above.

Mike
Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 1:27 pm

I would like to know why you think the African nations shouldn’t be compared to the rest of the world. The US is near the top of the death rate chart for a very obvious reason that, not surprisingly, is too politically uncomfortable to talk about. Obesity. The US is the 12th most obese nation in the world, particularly among certain demographics, again a political hand grenade. Both Japan and South Korea are in the bottom 10.

The vaccination rates and covid death rates are both very low throughout most of Africa. One would think the scientific community would be very interested in discovering why that is, but they don’t appear to be. Why is that Tom?

Tom.1
Reply to  Mike
February 7, 2022 2:56 pm

I can’t explain why covid deaths are so much lower in African countries, but I don’t think it’s the right demographic to compare with the US. We can also to inter-state comparisons in the US.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 3:35 pm

This is from a year ago or so, but indicates that poverty and warm climates are good inoculations.

https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/9WwxR/2/

Reply to  It doesn't add up...
February 8, 2022 2:50 am

As I have said many times, being in small closed rooms with others that is the deciding factor. The US numbers are bad as they are because of the high level of buildings with AC units compared to the rest of the world.

Mike
Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 4:14 pm

I believe Krishna is correct and I would add hydroxychloroquine to that as well. HCQ is used extensively throughout Africa to prevent malaria. Both medications are cheap and much more effective treatments than our current covid “vaccines” (really therapeutics). They have also been used safely for decades so there is absolutely no reason for anyone to take what should still be considered an experimental vaccine.

The vaccines are being forced on people for entirely financial and political reasons. I truly hope many people eventually go to jail over this. It is pure evil.

Reply to  Mike
February 8, 2022 11:56 am

HCQ is not widely used as an antimalarial in Africa anymore because of the developed resistance by the parasites. I was taking HCQ as an antimalarial before going to Kenya some years ago. When I got there was advised that it was no longer effective and switched meds.

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  Tom.1
February 8, 2022 6:59 am

Sunshine and lack of obesity

roaddog
Reply to  Tom.1
February 8, 2022 8:00 pm

I’ve read that obesity is near non-existent in Africa, thus its not a reasonable analogue to western nations.

paul courtney
Reply to  Mike
February 7, 2022 3:02 pm

Mike, Mr. .1 only uses numbers put together by liars like Dr. Fauci, and he relies on them after they’ve been debunked. Right here, the death numbers are finally being broken down to reveal how the numbers were fudged to scare the rubes. And he still uses the false US number to tell you not to compare to Africa. I think you may be on to something, but don’t expect him to listen.

Reply to  Mike
February 7, 2022 3:49 pm

Why COVID-19 is not so spread in Africa: How does Ivermectin affect it?
A retrospective statistical analysis study of the impact of ivermectin against COVID-19 between the 31 onchocerciasis-endemic countries using the community-directed treatment with ivermectin (CDTI) and the non-endemic 22 countries in Africa. The morbidity, mortality, recovery rate, and fatality rate caused by COVID-19 were calculated from the WHO situation report in Africa. We investigated the onchocerciasis endemic 31 countries and the non-endemic 22 countries. Statistical comparisons used by the Welch test of them in the two groups were made.

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  Mike
February 8, 2022 6:59 am

here.

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Don132
Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 11:05 am

Kids have virtually no risk from Covid. They have some risk from the vaccines, however small. No sane society puts children at risk to protect the elderly.

RickWill
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 7, 2022 1:22 pm

Not true. In Africa, when there’s not enough food, the adults get it. 

By western standards, the vast majority of Africans are still children. Median age is in the teens in many African countries. Not many people older than 60yo.

Don132
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 7, 2022 2:16 pm

I stand corrected. Kids, get in line!

Bob boder
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 7, 2022 6:43 pm

Same with the elderly.

John_C
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 10, 2022 5:13 pm

Hi Willis, hate to disagree, but the quoted statement is true. “the elderly” have the least likelihood to promote survival of the society, so in poor societies, they frequently aren’t around anyway. Yes, the food goes to the producers, the women of child bearing age, the other young and useful, then to the children. And then, if there is still some left, to the elderly. Learning wisdom is nice if there is enough to eat. Otherwise, what have you brought me lately?

AWG
Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 11:10 am

The idea of kids being vaccinated is that there’s some evidence that, while vaccination doesn’t completely prevent passing on the disease, it does reduce the possibility. 

How does a “vaccine” against a variant that has already died off reduce the possibility of a new variant? Furthermore, what is the NNT (numbers needed to treat) to get this effect, and how does it compare to the hospitalization, life-long injury and occasionally death from adverse reactions (e.g. myocarditis)?

I’ve seen numbers that claim that over 120 kids die from adverse reactions for each life allegedly saved from the C19.

Gazimo
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 7, 2022 1:45 pm

I’m not sure we would see any of that in figure 3 as by that time we hadn’t really started vaccinating children at that point we were at young adults and with the natural death rate changing so much at that point for those ages I don’t think we can throw that out. Certainly no evidence in children like that though.

Daryl M
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 7, 2022 4:14 pm

Seems unlikely, or we’d see it in Figure 3 … also, I doubt if enough vaccinated kids have been studied to provide that statistic with any degree of accuracy.

You’re being far to kind, Willis.

AWG, Where are all of these these dead kids? I guess the media is suppressing their deaths?!? “I’ve seen numbers that claim” is nonsense, just like the claims that the vaccines contain aluminum-based organisms, graphene, RFID receivers, HIV and so on.

I understand that people can have different opinions about this topic because the evidence isn’t clear-cut, but some of the claims from anti-vaxxers are nothing short of certifiable batsh*t crazy. If you want to be taken seriously, quoting this kind of garbage has the opposite affect.

Bob boder
Reply to  Daryl M
February 7, 2022 6:03 pm

Take your antivaxer comments somewhere else, these aren’t vaccines and everything has a risk benefit component that should be taken into account. All vaccines can harm or kill most the benefit out weighs the risk, for people under 30 these almost certainly don’t have a benefit that outweighs the risk.

Daryl M
Reply to  Bob boder
February 7, 2022 10:03 pm

You don’t get to decide what is or isn’t a vaccine. Covid vaccines have saved millions of lives. If you don’t believe that, you are seriously deluded. The batsh*t crazy excuses that anti-vaxers are using are embarrassing and just as ridiculous as arguments for the earth being flat.

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Reply to  Daryl M
February 8, 2022 3:00 am

You don’t get to decide what is or isn’t a vaccine”
If you are just as likely to get it with the “vaccine” as with out its not a vaccine, it might be a therapeutic, because it may limit severe infection but there is mounting evidence that even that has been overstated. How many kids lives have the “vaccines” saved? the answer is zero, so why should they be getting the “vaccine”?

I got it it because I am older and over weight so to me the benefit out weighed the risk. If I was under 30 the is no way I would have gotten it. Stop with your BS anti-vaxxer crap, there are plenty of reasons to question these “vaccines” and trying to shut down the debate because you believe something by attacking people that don’t agree with you is a sign that you are the batsh*t crazy one.

TonyG
Reply to  bob boder
February 8, 2022 7:12 am

Stop with your BS anti-vaxxer crap

bob,
I’ve noticed that “anti-vaxxer” is the new “denier” – it’s used to dismiss without having to actually engage with the arguments.

Bob boder
Reply to  TonyG
February 8, 2022 4:44 pm

Same with “racist”

Neo
Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 12:05 pm

But they now claimed that vaccinated and unvaccinate persons can spread COVID, which renders that agument moot.

paul courtney
Reply to  Neo
February 7, 2022 3:09 pm

Neo: Thanks for getting back to the point Tom .1 digressed from. Mr. McCabe said “some evidence” that jabs stop the spread, but my eyes tell me the jabs have utterly failed at that, probably made it worse because vaxxed folks stopped all precaution last June or so. The charts Mr. E produced above should be enough to persuade Mr. McCabe and Mr. .1 to reconsider, at the very least, but the kool aid must taste good to them.

MarkH
Reply to  paul courtney
February 7, 2022 4:38 pm

It’s strange that people, including politicians and senior medical bureaucrats continue to claim that the jab will prevent infection and transmission. I wonder, under what conditions would they concede that the jab has failed? To me, when the promised benefits (those initially promised before they were first rolled out) have obviously failed to materialise and the risks that they minimised are clearly higher than they claim, then to describe this as anything other than a total failure would be dishonest. Yet they continue. Here in Victoria, they are starting to push mandatory boosters. It will never end, and I will never take their jab as it is not medically necessary for me.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  MarkH
February 8, 2022 3:46 am

see XiDan today smugly claiming NO OS travellers allowed to Vic without 3rd jab hes been unable(so far) to force at home
so OS folks can go to adelaide sydney or brisbane and THEN tracel to vic or elsewhere anyway
mans a raving megalomaniac
roll on Nov election time

Joao Martins
Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 12:15 pm

That would be true if those jabs prevented contagion, but they don’t. So, the risk of getting C-19 from others does not depend on them being jabbed or not: is equal.

Those jabs are not vaccines: they are genetic therapies.

And the use of vaccines is to protect the one that takes it, not the others. Thus, they are useless and senseless when applied to children (they do not get C-19, so they do not need protection).

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Reply to  Joao Martins
February 7, 2022 3:14 pm

The jabs don’t completely prevent transmission, but the UK vaccine surveillance data suggested that they did reduce the risk of transmission a bit for the earlier variants, while having little effect on omicron. However, halving the transmission risk may not be justified for the young – even if they have grandparents at home, for whom the best strategy was to be up to date on jabs.

For example they found

An analysis from the ONS Community Infection Survey found that contacts of vaccinated index cases had around 65 to 80% reduced odds of testing positive with the Alpha variant and 35 to 65% reduced odds of testing positive with the Delta variant compare to contacts of unvaccinated index cases

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043608/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_51.pdf

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 1:26 pm

John,

You need look no further than the outbreaks of positive COVID-19 tests among US and European Olympic athletes (all of which were fully vaccinated and tested negative for COVID-19 prior to arrival in China) to conclude that the vaccinations do NOTHING AT ALL to “reduce the spread of the disease” (your words), even among those in prime health.

Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 3:18 pm

Just the spread can’t be reduced with these vaccinations. The contrary seems to be true

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 5:58 pm

Injecting youths with these gene treatments is insanity as well as evil.

Derg
Reply to  John McCabe
February 7, 2022 8:06 pm

“ it’s about trying to reduce the spread of the disease to more vulnerable people”

Thanks for the chuckle

Tom.1
February 7, 2022 10:30 am

WE: First, thanks, as always, for your efforts. Your accompanying caption, if that is of your doing, suggest that COVID deaths are being over reported, probably because the health care system has an incentive to do so. Do you have an opinion on that? Another statistic I have seen reported is that the death rate in counties that voted for Trump is roughly 3x what it is in counties that voted for Biden. I believe those stats may reflect a time period following the initiation of the pandemic. Have you seen that and if so, do you have an opinion on it.

Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 11:00 am

That stat is and was nonsense, it was a time slice when the pandemic had started to recede in the north during spring when people started going outside again and was moving to the south as the weather warmed and people were moving inside to AC. Go to worldmeter and look at the deaths per million by state, it paints a pretty clear picture.

Tom.1
Reply to  bob boder
February 7, 2022 11:37 am

This is the data to which I was referring. It may be wrong. If so, please explain, or provide other data to falsify. Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates : Shots – Health News : NPR

To me, there is a certain logic here because the tendency to shun vaccination has been a partisan issue, and there is plenty of evidence to show that being vaccinated provides a high degree of protection against dying from COVID.

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Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 1:42 pm

Hint for you: NPR is a 501(c)(3) organization, which allows it to receive tax-deductible donations.

It has every reason to toe the party line of the current Administration, rather than challenge it.

Therefore, I place no credibility in an NPR blurb that would imply ex-President Trump is the reason for certain parts of the US to have higher COVID-19 death rates than other parts.

Should we talk about what happened in New York City, that bastion of Trump supporters ( 🙂 ), regarding its peak COVID death rate?

Tom.1
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
February 7, 2022 3:01 pm

The East Coast was where the pandemic arrived in the US, so they took they initial brunt of it. They made some mistakes too. The comparisons that need to be made state to state are after the first wave and after we had vaccines.

Bob boder
Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 6:10 pm

Yeah that’s why the norther states got pounded from November 2021 until now. It’s clear each wave is more about when people stay inside more. In the north it’s winter in the south it’s summer. HVAC and poor ventilation in buildings is the number 1 cause for each wave.

Reply to  Tom.1
February 8, 2022 3:02 am

Actually the first cases were on the west coast, but the weather is nicer there most of the time so people aren’t indoors as much so transmission is much harder, and vitamin D levels are probably higher as well.

McComberBoy
Reply to  Tom.1
February 9, 2022 9:36 am

WRongo! It was in Oregon and Northern California in November of 2019. No one recognized as such, because Covid 19 wasn’t a thing yet.

mal
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
February 7, 2022 3:58 pm

Considering the highest vaccinated groups are minorities, that should tell you NPR is lying again.

TonyG
Reply to  mal
February 7, 2022 4:19 pm

“Considering the highest vaccinated groups are minorities,”

Did you mean UNvaccinated?

stinkerp
Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 3:15 pm

The report was published by NPR which promotes left-wing, progressive narratives. Falsified by default. If it were published in Science I would be more likely to accept it, but would still subject it to scrutiny as it seems to promote Democrat ideology.

paul courtney
Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 3:27 pm

Mr..1: You thought an NPR story had a “certain logic” because shunning the vaxx is partisan? You like to ask for numbers, where’d you get the idea shunning the vaxx was partisan? Did NPR study it? Please provide link for that statement.
P.S. If the NPR report didn’t set off your BS meter, you need to get one.

Curious George(@moudryj)
Reply to  Tom.1
February 7, 2022 4:24 pm

Explanation: Pro-Trump people tend to be much older than Anti-Trumpers. Therefore a higher death rate.
You may conclude that Trumpers will go extinct, but people have a tendency to become mere conservative once they can drink or smoke legally.

Sam the First
Reply to  bob boder
February 9, 2022 4:02 pm

A couple of stats guys I follow have done some massive number crunching exercises on the batch numbers, which are recorded on the VAERS database. those following up were able to replicate the work of the first, Craig Pardekooper.

Find his videos and more on this on BrandNewTube, using DuckDuckGo; it’s all censored on Google.

Some of the batches are a lot more toxic than others. After much chat about this, one of them noticed that all the areas receiving the highly toxic batches, linked to the highest numbers of deaths and adverse effects were Republican voting. I can’t remember if this was Pardekooper or one of his followers.

Sam the First
Reply to  Sam the First
February 9, 2022 4:21 pm

Here’s a couple of links. Needless to say the usual fact checking sites – as employed by FB – are all over this trying to invalidate the research.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/vaccine-batch-codes-label-most-toxic-batches-wow-criminality-confirmed_ure96i9kzsx8nCW

https://hillmd.substack.com/p/vaccine-batches-vary-in-toxicity

gringojay
February 7, 2022 10:33 am

Remember WUWT readers it was Willis E. on this very blog who, early on, wrote about the distinction between dying “from” CoVid and dying “with” CoVid. The fellow deserves a podcast appearance with some interviewer.

Mr.
February 7, 2022 10:33 am

With the disclosures now out about the mandated “vaccines”, I reckon they’re really just a “me – me -me” measure –

“Vaccines” won’t stop you getting the wuflu, won’t stop you spreading the wuflu, all they’re claimed to do is to moderate the worst effects you could experience from having the wuflu.

Which admittedly is helpful if it reduces the number of people needing hospitalization.

So all the early and current “official advice” about how the vaccines will work to limit the contraction and transmission of the wuflu was / is patently bullshit.

Who would have suspected?

Steven Miller
February 7, 2022 10:48 am

Good piece! This type of evolving situation changes so quickly that even if the numbers were accurate, they quickly become meaningless outside of providing a historical perspective.

As far as the “equation” that you used to determine how helpful the “vaccines” might be to you and your ex-fiancé I noticed that you did not factor in a previous infection. With Omicron, Covid is now endemic in most places in the USA and previous assumptions about how many have already been exposed and developed natural immunity have gone out the window. The vaccines which were designed to fight last year’s covid variant have lost their efficacy. And those who came down with or were exposed to the original version and developed natural immunity which is obviously more robust than the immunity for the “vaccines” have now caught or fought off Omicron.

The “vaccines” likely were helpful a year ago when they first were released to an unsuspecting public. But at this point, history will probably show that they are not very likely to be helpful even to the vulnerable. Like the flu shots they are going to need to be reformulated every year for a pathogen likely to be less dangerous to most than the flu.

Gary Pearse
February 7, 2022 10:50 am

I guess some things we are never going to know with compromised data. Like consensus climate science, which is clearly teetering on collapse ( witness changing horses from CO2 bad to CH4 bad by IPCC after 3 decades of 95% certainty and 97% consensus and all that temp fiddling to make it fit the CO2 control Knob). How are we going to straighten out the climate data into something useful.

Re Covid, my wife and I got the disease and we are in the danger bracket agewise (me 83). Fortunately, it wasn’t that bad. We got the shot and the booster after as well because it was required for travel. I m holding off on the Omicron shot. Usually getting the disease itself is enough protection. Any thoughts on that?

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  Gary Pearse
February 7, 2022 12:59 pm

There is a separate Omicron shot now?

I’m 56, had 3 shots and got covid a month ago

I’m done with shots

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
February 8, 2022 6:52 am

I read enough about the problems with “vaxxing” coronavirus before the jabs appeared to steer WELL clear. These three pubmed papers all played into this.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus
Conclusions: These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/

Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season
Conclusions: Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease
Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.”

Re the last entry, I know of nobody who has been jabbed who was giving full warning of what these jabs may do – especially re Antibody-Dependent Enhancement which at worse can cause multiple organ failure.

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TonyG
Reply to  Gary Pearse
February 7, 2022 1:04 pm

“Any thoughts on that?”

Gary, I have recently seen six papers indicating that there is a significantly increased risk of adverse reaction to the shots by people who have already had the disease. I don’t have the links offhand but as I remember, 3 were at NIH, 1 BMJ, and 1 NEJM (don’t recall where the 6th was).

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  TonyG
February 8, 2022 6:53 am

See above. ADE far more likely if you have already had Covid.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Gary Pearse
February 7, 2022 1:18 pm

Gary, been all over this. We got, and I recommended son and daughter and spouses get the Jansen viral vector. Very simple reason. Well known technology, while mRNA had never been done before. Daughter’s youngest caught Delta at school, proving masks don’t work. Gave it to brother and vaxxed mom and dad. A very rough week. They know delta because both lost sense of taste and smell.

Omicron is relatively so mild, and different, that the present vaccines aren’t very good—all the breakthru infections. So booster not only pretty useless but also not needed. We are NOT going to get boosted. In seventies, but no co-morbidities.

Smart Rock
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 3:17 pm

Lucky you. In Canada, we have a choice between mRNA by Pfizer and mRNA by Moderna. That’s it. At the beginning, they offered what I think was a traditional vaccine made by AstraZeneca, and the Janssen vaccine is also “approved”, but they are now essentially unavailable. You take what’s on offer, or you won’t be allowed to get on a plane or a train.

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  Smart Rock
February 8, 2022 6:53 am

We had a similar choice, and also the choice not to take the jab. That was my choice.

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  Smart Rock
February 8, 2022 6:57 am

 You take what’s on offer, or you won’t be allowed to get on a plane or a train.”

And where does that train take you, may I ask…? Where does that approach end? Not leaving your home unless multiply jabbed?

“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

That’s you he’s speaking to, Smart (hmm) Rock

Sam the First
Reply to  Smart Rock
February 9, 2022 5:17 pm

The Astra Zeneca and the J&J aren’t traditional vaccines either – they are very little better than the mRNA ones, and have a slightly different but equally deadly set of adverse effects.

“The AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, now called Vaxzevria, is a viral vector vaccine, just like the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. 
It uses a chimpanzee adenovirus to carry spike proteins from the coronavirus into your body to create an immune response. It can also be kept in a regular refrigerator, unlike the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.”

PCman999
Reply to  Smart Rock
February 9, 2022 11:27 pm

AstraZeneca and Janssen aren’t traditional vaccines (whole, attenuated viruses) but use a virus to infect your cells with spike protein dna – then your immune system triggers on those foreign spikes. Seemed like a fool’s errand, designed to fail – spike proteins mutate quickly.

So all the vaccines are GMO, and unlike golden rice, are unfit for the purpose of long lasting immunity.

Sam the First
Reply to  Gary Pearse
February 9, 2022 5:11 pm

Don’t have any more shots. Each one further depletes the innate immune system, to the extent there is a very real danger of ADE and of VAIDS. This is particularly the case for the elderly whose immune systems are not so robust as in the young.

There are a number of very technical explanations for this and more than one study, though I can’t find one that is peer reviewed (no surprise there!). It’s even pointed out in one of the official UK medical studies – although as so often with this scenario, the conclusions of the study appear to directly contradict the data recorded!

It’s needless to add, the usual ‘fact checking’ and ‘news’ outlets are doing their utmost to bury this information. The recent three whistleblower doctors from the US Military do however point to the truth being on the side of the sceptic medics – see second link

https://www.authorea.com/users/455597/articles/552937-innate-immune-suppression-by-sars-cov-2-mrna-vaccinations-the-role-of-g-quadruplexes-exosomes-and-micrornas

https://lc.org/newsroom/details/220131military-whistleblowers-reveal-shocking-truth

The top brass have tried to explain away the shocking numbers by citing a glitch in data reporting, but Stew Peters and others have already blown their highly selective argument out of the water.

Paul S.
February 7, 2022 10:54 am

I am Pro Vaccine as they were made prior to Covid. I am ANTI experimental mRNA gene therapy. The vaccine deaths are mounting. Insurance companies and morticians and the armed forces are noticing the increase in deaths. I fear it will increase in years ahead, and most likely will be hidden from view

another ian
Reply to  Paul S.
February 7, 2022 1:51 pm

Paul

Seems to me that, unless the new definition(s) of “vaccine” are walked back to pre-2015, that any new vaccine of any kind will be just as doubtful

Jeremy Poynton
Reply to  another ian
February 8, 2022 6:44 am

Yup… definition of “vaccine” changed TWICE during Covid.

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Rud Istvan
Reply to  Paul S.
February 7, 2022 3:11 pm

A gentle correction. True, the inter web is full of claims that mRNA is a ‘gene therapy’. NOPE. That claim illustrates fundamental genetic ignorance. In a nutshell you can go check:

  1. Genes are DNA. RNA isn’t.
  2. RNA is the ‘messenger’ (hence m) that DNA uses to tell a cell what proteins to make. mRNA vaccines comprise just this artificial messenger.
  3. mRNA works by tricking cells into expressing the encoded viral protein (the Covid-19 S1 spike protein) so that the immune system can mount a response to it. The genetic cellular DNA is not involved at all, ever.
TonyG
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 3:34 pm

mRNA works by tricking cells into expressing the encoded viral protein (the Covid-19 S1 spike protein) so that the immune system can mount a response to it.

What happens if that spike protein mutates?
I suspect that may have something to do with all the omicron breakthroughs.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  TonyG
February 7, 2022 5:06 pm

That the S1 spike protein mutates is provable. Like all RNA virus—deadly alpha, to less deadly delta, to ‘mild’ omicron.

TonyG
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2022 5:30 pm

That’s pretty much my point, Rud – as I understand it, the “immunity” conferred by the mRNA injection is specific to that particular spike protein. Natural immunity from contracting the disease, however, is broader. So what happens if you’ve taken the shot and you are exposed to a similar virus but with a mutated spike protein?

Seems to me that it wouldn’t offer any protection under those circumstances.

Which leads me to the next step, which is: the “vaccinated” are now as likely, if not more so, to contract and spread the mutated virus, which (a) allows greater spread of the mutation and (b) allows greater chance for future mutation.

Reply to  TonyG
February 8, 2022 12:35 pm

Most of the structure of the mutated spike proteins are the same as before (if it were not it wouldn’t be able to infect the cells, the spike protein is the means of infection). So modification of the spike protein will affect the infection, some change will ‘tweak’ the response, change it too much and it will no longer work. It has to be able to in