From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
By Paul Homewood
A few weeks ago, the government announced plans for new regulations, requiring domestic electric car chargers be programmed only to work at off peak times.
This was clear admission that car charging would simply overload the grid, if drivers charged up during the evening as most likely would.
It appears there is more that we were not aware of, as one reader has received this message from Vodafone:
LeasePlan UK also cover this on their pro EV website:
Forget about all the weasel words – the plan is clear; if the grid is overloaded, we can forget about charging our cars at night. We can only charge up when the National Grid says we can.
I can envision a time when we have plenty of electricity and stable supply for the our future needs. unfortunately it was 50 years ago,
Why the surprise? Here in the USA they tax diesel used for home heating differently from diesel used for vehicles.
Farm-sold diesel (aka off-road diesel) is red dyed to ID it, since its purchase doesn’t have the excise taxes as transportation diesel does. It’s also sold in bulk to big construction machinery companies to save the highway excise tax. It is illegal to run red-dyed diesel in on-road vehicles.
It was illegal to run booze too, but it happened during Prohibition.
Same here in the UK. Some do risk running their cars on ‘red’ diesel, but it really isn’t a good idea in modern engines- the fuel simply isn’t refined enough and would clog lines and filters and the engine wouldn’t perform particularly well.
Taxing the charging at a different rate was just one of the issues that this article covered, and I haven’t seen a single person object to that.
The problem can easily be fixed by creating an alternate “night economy” where all businesses that don’t need large amounts of electricity switch to the graveyard shift. There is no reason workers from the DMV need to working during the day, or even the Postal Service. Switching these over to night operations will allow vehicles to be charged during the day while employees are sleeping.
And, as long car journeys will take days, due to the charging bottlenecks, Colonial Era roadside inns and taverns can be resurrected, where you used to go to rest, fodder and water your horses, you will then go to recharge your EV.
I wish I were a Progressive, as I think I have quite a talent for coming up with inane
“outside the box” ideas from my college comedy theater days. (lol)
I don’t think the DMV plan will work out all that well. The long term staff have a sleep schedule that will be very difficult to change. You can’t expect someone that has been sleeping days for the last 15 years to switch over and start sleeping nights.
Its the votes and contributions from the union workers that keep reelecting the progressive congress critters who pass the laws. Those unions won’t stand for putting all of their members on night shift.
How would anyone notice whether anyone in government employ was awake or asleep regardless of their shift?
EU red tape forces thousands of planes to fly across Europe with no passengersThe European Union has been accused forcing airlines to operate tens of thousands of “ghost flights” just to keep their airport landing slots.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/01/07/thousands-planes-forced-fly-across-europe-no-passengers-eu-red/
Yah, that’ll encourage UK citizens to turn in their ICE for an EV.
‘Not sure how this can be enforced since EVs don’t care where the electricity comes from, like a fat extension cord from the kitchen range circuit outlet that has a 50 amp rated cb.
You think that range won’t be required to be connected and controlled via the smart meter?
So, your EV batteries will provide backup power when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.
And your private vehicle becomes a dead paperweight, a virtual sacrifice to appease the Left’s pagan god of climate. In Greek mythology it was Zeus, the god of weather, lightning and the heavens.
But when the wind doesn’t blow for days or weeks, and the solar panels are covered with snow, the grid can empty out the EVs once, but what happens if the next day has similar conditions. Because the EVs will have already been drained. Now what?
I see nothing about what they give back to you when the utilities (not the government) takes the electricity you paid for and paid tax for.
Also, it seems that people are finally realizing that the electric grid is not large enough to provide all of the energy for present residential/industrial use and for transportation. A Smart grid is NOT going to fix that, only makes it worse and doubles the cost of your energy. Especially with mandates/rules requiring that water heaters must be electric, Home heating must be Electric. etc., etc., And all subject to being shut off when the local grid/utility does not have enough electricity. Do you think your utility is going to pay the atrocious cost forced on them because they lost a generator (gas, oil, wind, solar) or suck the electricity out of your EV for 1/10 the price they would have to Pay – not paying for a cycle on your battery either. LiIon Batteries only have so many cycles and then they are useless – any one with a laptop knows this. The cycling of a battery costs the owner money. they only have so many. each cycle caused by the utility should be paid for.
Fast charging is very hard on lithium batteries due to heat generating irreversible chemistries in the battery matrix. People will be tempting is use fast charging until they realize they have to replace the battery pack at 60% of the original cost of the EV.
Is the Guardian on road to Damascus ?
https://youtu.be/sv9iHH7g6xk
I am unable to fund any informatrion about this on lease UK website
Its believeable, butr may actually be false news. – can anyoneconfirm this from an independent source?
This is all i can find that is official
Here is what one of the largest UK domestic suppliers of electricity currently quotes for their EV tariff :
“GoElectric 35 comes with 5 hours off-peak charging every evening 12 am to 5 am GMT. It costs just 4.5p per kWh during off-peak hours and from 34.34p per kWh during peak hours, depending on where you live.
GoElectric 98 comes with off-peak charging every weekday 9 pm to 7 am GMT and all weekend. It costs just 16.75p per kWh during off-peak hours and from 35.39p per kWh during peak hours, depending on where you live.
BOHICA = Bend Over Here It Comes Again.
No problem. We all have unused meters just waiting to be connected.
Is the UK government going to require proof of separate metering before you buy a car? I suppose this is retroactive to current EV owners. What’s the grace period for them to get separate metering installed?
I used to be much more skeptical about EV’s, but I’m much less so now. Practically every major auto manufacturer is going EV, and certainly all the startups are. The other thing that people don’t take into account is how things might work when we have fully autonomous cars. You won’t need to own a car. When you need to go somewhere you just call one with the app on your phone, and when you are done with the car it takes itself back to the charging depot and fills up.
Reminiscent of a scene out of Woody Allen’s 1973 film ‘Sleeper’.
Hey Tom,
I have 5 inspections tomorrow. Distance traveled will be about 380 miles. It may change, but as of yesterday one site has 18″ of snow, and it was still snowing (where there is snow, there is not self driving cars). When I get out of the car I will be out of the car for anywhere from 15 minutes to two hours; sometimes I am 40 miles from the nearest ‘charging station’.
In your efficient utopia, the 40 square blocks of the City that you live in, you won’t need to own a car (if avoiding puke smell from previous users is not defined as a ‘need’). But, the further away from the center of your world you get, the more complicated things will be.
Please, stay centered in your world, and leave the rest of us alone.
When people want to go someplace, they want to be able to hop in their car and go.
Having to pull up and app, then wait 20 to 40 minutes for a vehicle to arrive. Then when they are done with their shopping or whatever, they don’t want to wait another 20 to 40 minutes for another ride to show up.
Manufacturers responding to government pressure is not evidence that EVs are becoming possible.
We have autonomous vehicles now. They are called taxis. Once you understand why individuals don’t abandon privately owned vehicles in favor of taxis, you will understand why your dream of a fleet of self driving taxis will also never replace privately owned automobiles.
C’mon man. How many times must we go down this same road? Anytime something is used by the public, that is not owned by the user, gets abused, damaged, or stolen. That has always been the case. It’s one of the primary reasons for the Second Amendment. Arms and ammo kept and stored by the governments of hamlets were rusted, moldy, and unserviceable (the word for that back then was ‘unregulated’, i.e., not in good working order – not regulated). Personal arms and ammo were well maintained (well-regulated). Washington complained about this.
Today, trials of public-use bicycles have failed. They have to be handled like car rentals. You leave a deposit and don’t get it back until you return it, and pay any damage done to it under your watch.
Do you really think an autonomous car, unoccupied and driverless, will last long in a large city? It will either be stripped at the first traffic light, or will be used for target practice. “I’m gonna shoot that battery and make some fireworks. Here, hold my beer.” And we have not touched on liability.
If you need a car, you will rent one from a car rental company, just like today, even if they could drive themselves autonomously. The rental company can do the recharging. And life will be a real pain if you need one for more than a single charge.
What if you just want to own one- or what if you need to go to the hop for food NOW?
This enables total control of the individual by the State which is the end solution of the Communist Party.
You might want to consider, just for a moment, that not everything is a communist plot.
If something is indistinguishable from a communist plot, why not assume it is a communist plot?
EV chargers should probably have remote shutoff switches to disable them when the brownouts come.
Draft Legislation:This is a draft item of legislation. This draft has since been made as a UK Statutory Instrument: The Electric Vehicles (Smart Charge Points) Regulations 2021 No. 1467
Statutory Instrument.
Accordingly, this has not needed to be debated in Parliament.
I wonder if it has?
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Oh boy. Wonder how many people are now rethinking their purchase of an EV? So typical of government to jerk the rug out from underneath you after they enticed you to buy into their hype. The problem with inadequate grid capacity has been known from the get go. Most lefties have no idea how anything is made, built, sustained. All they know is if you get out the wallet, whatever you want magically appears.
Vehicle to Grid-
They take power back when the grid is really short. So your battery cycles more than it otherwise would and looses value in the process. When they take it back, how much is left and what is your next charge opportunity ?
If you have an emergency, can you stop them from draining your battery ?
Just had a fire in Colorado where over a THOUSAND houses burned down in a massive wind storm. Many people had mere minutes to escape with their lives. Now if their EV batteries had been drained, or the cloud facility that allows them to unlock their EVs is out of order, that would have been several thousand people burned to death. But I guess that’s the cost to “save the planet”, right?
As a retired Energy Planner and Energy Economist for one of the largest electric utilities in the US, I can confidently state the following: 1) only 45% of households in my utility’s service area have a garage, driveway, or access to a 120v charging point; 2) all fast-charging points will eventually be billed a demand charge which will double or triple electricity costs in the area.
Well ! Who saw this coming ? Everybody with a brain did !!!!
If there is a slight financial advantage to owning an EV the Government won’t care , if there is a large short term advantage (financial)(long term there is very little ) to owning a EV then the Government will want and “take”its cut , tax on usage per kwh (smart meters will make that easy ) plus a plethora of other taxes and charges that have not even been thought up yet . Look for ways of metering required on your solar panel output if you think you can sneak that in to charge your EV .
And take advantage of control of charging and therefore use of the EV , shocking ! This is not new news or new horrors , people have been saying this for years ! and wait till the country is substantially EV powered , think of the power these people will have not withstanding the fact that there is not going to be enough electricity supply to charge all EVs at night , which will be what most people require .
Do the math just for replacing petrol with an equivalent KWH (even minus accounting for 66% petrol energy wastage as heat compared to Batteries charge/discharge losses and transmission of 20%.
Well this is probally a smarter plan then what they want to do in The Netherlands. Over here they want to monitor every km driven and tax you for it, because they are missing taxes from electric vehicles.
I’ll stick with my diesel as long as there is diesel to buy.
I’m sure the car manufacturers, while all hyping EVs at the moment, know that as the various deadlines for phasing out ICEVs approach it will be bonanza time for those that retain the ability to manufacture them.
It is common in this thread to consider power as flowing both ways through an EV charger. That just is not so. Once it is in your battery, it’s there. Other provisions would have to be made to send battery power to the grid.
Everything slotting into place. The Great Reset is proceeding nicely, thank you.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/welcome-to-the-end-of-democracy
This is in anticipation of Government Grids. Absolute control of all energy use, all the time. They are tilling the field for that already in California, bankrupting utilities with smothering layers of regulations “to prevent wildfires” when logging and controlled burns have all but disappeared…through smothering regulations.
So, the government wants access to the vehicle’s computer.
The computer that pretty much controls everything about the car nowadays.
Is anyone else concerned about vehicle security and malicious hacking?
Did anyone notice the “allows batteries to be drained into the grid” part?
Pay, possibly extra, to charge the battery then… do people get money for their drained battery, compensation for loss of lifespan due to discharge?
I real clever bean counter will be made responsible for how much they drained out of your car while you slept, and how many additional recharge cycles are left. They walk to work and don’t own one, and wish you didn’t.