Temperature Bottom Falling Out: Antarctica’s Coldest Half-Year Since Measurements Began 60 Years Ago

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By P Gosselin on 9. November 2021

Antarctica sets a record cold six month period…Neumayer station sets new winter record low, sees rapid cooling since 2000!

German Die kalte Sonne here features Antarctica’s record cold winter – the coldest since temperature measurements began some 60 years ago.

Coldest April-September period

The Amundsen Scott station at the South Pole recorded a mean temperature of -60.9°C for the April 1 to September 30 period, according to the US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC). For the June-July-August period, the mean was minus 62.9°C  — the second coldest recorded.

Image: Die kalte Sonne.

Apparently the 140 or so ppm added CO2 couldn’t trap enough heat to prevent a record cold from being set. The previous record for June-July-August was set in 2004.

Neumayer sets record cold, sees 3°C of cooling since 1985

Die kalte Sonne reports that a record was also set at the German Neumayer Antarctic station, located on the Antarctic coast, which saw a mean June-July-August temperature of -28.6°C.

Recording at the Neumayer station began in 1985, and the linear trend over the past 35 years has fallen by almost 3°C! It’s been cooling even faster since 2000:

Rapidly cooling Antarctic. Chart: Stephan Kämpfe. Data: DWD.

The German Neumayer Antarctic station has seen a distinct cooling trend since 1985, according to data from the German DWD national weather service. This is not getting reported by the media in Germany in any way, shape or form. We can just imagine the blaring headlines if the trend instead had shown 3°C of warming. You’d have a thousand German journalists descending on the South Pole by now.

Record warm reading gets discarded

Last February, for example, the German Berliner Morgenpost reported how for the first time the temperature had climbed over 20°C at the northern tip of the Antarctic peninsula – Seymour Island. “At the South Pole, climate change is very clear,” declared the Morgenpost.

However a subsequent World Meteorological Organization (WMO) investigation found the reading had in fact nothing to do with climate change, Die kalte Sonne reports:

Image: Die kalte Sonne.

The 20.75°C “record” reading resulted from a faulty instrument, and thus was nullified last July.

Yet, activist groups like Germany’s DUH don’t want to hear any of it. They continue to cite the nullified record even today for gathering petition signatures.

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Tom Halla
November 10, 2021 10:04 am

Just wait until GISS adjusts it. We all know how bad Germans are at keeping records/s

commieBob
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 10, 2021 10:42 am

Hmmm. They kept meticulous, incriminating, records because they just couldn’t help themselves. link Oops. missed the /s

Last edited 2 months ago by commieBob
MarkW
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 10, 2021 7:41 pm

How did this guy get back in? Was a payoff to the Biden family involved?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  MarkW
November 10, 2021 10:25 pm

How does such incredibly obvious spam get past filters and moderators?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
November 11, 2021 3:55 am

Good question.

TonyG
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
November 11, 2021 8:35 am

How does such incredibly obvious spam get past filters and moderators?

I’ve seen it in action: they post something like “Yes” or “Good point”, then after it’s published they edit the comment with their spam.

Vincent Causey
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 10, 2021 11:57 pm

Why are you telling us?

Solomon Green
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 14, 2021 10:11 am

Until I read the other comments below, I thought that Mr. Halla had missed putting [sarc.] behind his post. Actually even during the war the Germans were always meticulous at keeping records. So meticulous that in 1945, when the war ended and they struggled to destroy the most incriminating ones, they were beaten by the sheer volume of the records that they had kept.

Of course GISS will adjust them, they are too accurate.

November 10, 2021 10:07 am

yet every global average has Antarctica as one of the fastest warming areas on the planet, So those averages are all wrong.

SxyxS
Reply to  bob boder
November 10, 2021 10:41 am

The colder it gets the more they have to lie to compensate the increasing gap between propaganda and reality.
That’s why July had to be the warmest July ever after all the snowfalls in hot regions.

And the closer we get to (agenda) 2030 the bigger and bolder the propaganda(about viruses and climate ) will become to force people into UN compliance.

We will see one of the hottest cold years ever after another.
And we will hear many ‘ I told you so’s’
They’ll simply claim that the undeniably colder climate that contradicts their warm predictions is result of a climate that is far more broken than the “Experts” thought .

Disputin
Reply to  bob boder
November 10, 2021 11:47 am

There is considerable sleight of hand with Antarctica. The warmists always talk about West Antarctica as if it was the whole continent, instead of a small part of it. Just by chance, it sits right on top of the Pacific ‘Ring of Fire’ which has more than a hundred active volcanoes under the ice. No wonder it has rapidly moving glaciers. Look at East Antarctica, the vast majority of the continent, and it’s serious Brass Monkeys territory.

Gerard
Reply to  bob boder
November 10, 2021 12:09 pm

You must mean the Arctic and not the Antarctic. The southpole hasn’t seen any serious warming for decades. It is by far the slowest region to warm on the planet, if there is any average warming at all

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Gerard
November 11, 2021 7:47 pm

I even question the alleged warming in the Arctic. How many temperature stations are IN the Arctic? Which means most, maybe all, of the alleged warming is a result of in filling and “adjustments”.

Don
Reply to  bob boder
November 10, 2021 12:28 pm

One of if not the top indicators and dangers of “Global Warming” claims right from the start of the panic was that the Poles would warm but of course they haven’t . This fact is extremely embarrassing to these ” Scientists” (models) so they avoid the question and just carry on with ridiculous claims especially Re Antarctica ie western ice cap will slip into the ocean etc and most people just carry on believing without looking any deeper , of course this is exactly the idea and the plan . The plan ? GLOBAL CARBON TAX !

TheFinalNail
Reply to  bob boder
November 10, 2021 7:12 pm

“Yet every global average has Antarctica as one of the fastest warming areas on the planet, So those averages are all wrong.”

Which global temperature data sets claim this? You say they “all” do; I can’t find a single one that claims this.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  TheFinalNail
November 10, 2021 10:27 pm

Are you denying that activist scientists have told us repeatedly that the poles will warm the fastest?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
November 12, 2021 2:09 am

All I’m asking is where is the evidence to support the claim that “every global average has Antarctica as one of the fastest warming areas on the planet”?

I can’t find any global temperature data set that shows this. UAH shows it as the slowest warming region of the planet.

marty
Reply to  bob boder
November 11, 2021 2:30 am

If that is the case then the earth warms up even more, because the cooling in the Antarctic falsifies the average! :-))

J Mac
November 10, 2021 10:08 am

Brrrrrrrrr!

Rob_Dawg
Reply to  J Mac
November 10, 2021 10:55 am

Soon the Temperfudge Adjustocene Data Correct-o-matic machine will go “Brrrr” and it will all be fixed.

Reply to  Rob_Dawg
November 10, 2021 7:29 pm

Yes, sadly so very true. But some of us do have memories (and ther’s always the wayback machine!)

David Wolcott
November 10, 2021 10:09 am

Well, here where I live in the South Island of New Zealand we’ve had more frosts than in the previous ten years. “Officially” we’ve had a warm year, but frosts don’t lie. Feels way too close to Antarctica.

Chris Nisbet
Reply to  David Wolcott
November 11, 2021 10:07 am

NZ weather service is fully on board with climate hysteria.
Here in Auckland were were told to prepare for ‘yet another’ dry winter. In reality-land our dams have filled to overflowing.

John Tillman
November 10, 2021 10:15 am

Some argue that CO2 causes cooling in Antarctica.

Richard Page
Reply to  John Tillman
November 10, 2021 10:43 am

Some argue that UFO’s are alien spaceships and those aliens have been impersonating world leaders for decades. It’s all a matter of credibility and proof.

SxyxS
Reply to  Richard Page
November 10, 2021 11:45 am

Nah- no Alien in the universe would be able and willing to impersonate Biden.
Imagine a being with an 400+IQ stumbling around with pooped pants and fighting with every single word that comes out of its mouth.
They would never waste their precious lifetime to humilate themselves for so long.

Kamala on the other hand looks so freaking fake when she laughs and talks
that even the supercreepy Zuckerberg lookalike android Sophia has a more human appearance than Kamala.
So she is either some very lousy alien who got kicked out of acting school or proof that some sorts of psychopaths are not even able to mimic most basic human behavior.

Old Cocky
Reply to  SxyxS
November 10, 2021 1:17 pm

Slitheen

Streetcred
Reply to  SxyxS
November 10, 2021 1:35 pm

Let’s Go Brandon !

Matt Kiro
Reply to  SxyxS
November 10, 2021 3:02 pm

Or Kamala, just slept her way to her position and is incredibly uneducated , hence her laughter at any ‘hard’ question

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DMacKenzie
Reply to  John Tillman
November 10, 2021 10:44 am

Elevation 3000 feet ASL, 5km less to top of Troposphere than at the equator, no sunlight for months, yes more CO2 helps more of the -60 “heat” radiate to outer space. Helps cool the planet…and if it gets to about -80 via the lapse rate, which is the 15micron CO2 absorption/emission band, it can send a lot of “heat” advected from other latitudes to outer space as well. -80 in Antarctica could be the start of a Snowball Earth science fiction movie….oh yeah we already have one of those….

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commieBob
Reply to  John Tillman
November 10, 2021 10:57 am

Indeed. When you have a theory that explains everything you (eg. CO2 is the thermostat) have to twist yourself into a pretzel to account for all those annoying little inconsistencies. 🙂

Reply to  John Tillman
November 10, 2021 11:02 am

You sre right.

Philip Rose
Reply to  John Tillman
November 10, 2021 11:33 am

Ozone hole largest so far recorded and as wide as Antarctica. Any connection? This was the subject of a previous attempt to re-engineer the planet by our liberals (+Dupont) and also magic-thinking.

Richard Page
Reply to  Philip Rose
November 10, 2021 12:14 pm

Probably not. Ozone thinning over the poles is a natural phenomenon that is seasonal, not related to much except solar activity. The previous campaign was, as with this one, a badly thought-out attempt to correct a non-problem that was misunderstood by semi-educated arrogant Muppets. The fact that the result of the campaign and billions of dollars spent resulted in zero change to the ozone layer but multiple fridge fires (including a catastrophic one in Grenfell Tower) is just business as usual for these people – they go off at half-cock, do ‘something’ that has little or nothing to do with the problem but get an ego boost for saving the world.

RickWill
Reply to  Richard Page
November 10, 2021 1:03 pm

Ozone destroyer was a test run for CO2 induced climate change. The non-solution was not economy shattering and timing was good. It set the scene. The blame could now be shifted to CO2.

CAGW appears to be running out of time but the fairy tale has garnered tremendous support and rewards believers. It appears no data will change minds. I think a lot of people will suffer hardships and some will die before reality prevails.

The world is in a sad state when pragmatism trumps integrity. No matter what you know, you need to be on the CAGW train to do well in the current economy.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  RickWill
November 11, 2021 8:04 pm

Well that’s a cynical attitude if I ever saw one! Probably a well-founded cynicism, but cynical nonetheless.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
November 10, 2021 1:04 pm

I thought cold also accelerated the ozone loss.

Richard Page
Reply to  MarkW
November 10, 2021 2:37 pm

Not really, it’s sunlight. Given the temperature at the altitude of the ozone layer, if it was the cold then it would have happened everywhere. It only happens over the South and North poles.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
November 10, 2021 7:45 pm

I understand that the northern ozone hole is much, much smaller than the southern one.

Richard Page
Reply to  MarkW
November 11, 2021 12:27 pm

Yes. I think It’s something to do with the axial tilt and Earths ‘wobble’ but could be wrong.

Paul C
Reply to  MarkW
November 11, 2021 6:18 am

It has been theorised that extreme cold and ice crystals (in clouds) is required for that process – the extreme cold only achieved over Antartica, but not the Arctic. The ozone thinning was in the earliest data, but not recognised, then in later observations became an urgent “NEW” problem to be dealt with. The attitude now that the ozone thinning is still present (as it always has been) is of “Nothing to see here, move along”.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Paul C
November 11, 2021 8:18 pm

I recall a science class (I can’t recall what school I was in, so I can’t really nail down the date either) and the teacher introduced the concept of the ozone layer, and then told us that layer had holes over the poles (or maybe it was just the South Pole, but it was at least one) and that the size of the hole varied, it seemed to be seasonal. As far as anyone could tell, there had always been a hole in the ozone layer. I think we were even informed that the maximum size of that hole varied as well. We had to ask for clarification, the teacher said, “one year the maximum size might be ‘X’, the next year it might be bigger. Or smaller. Scientists had not reached any conclusions why the hole changes size so they are unable to predict what it will do in any given year.” Thus, when I heard about CFCs caused the hole, my first response was: yea, it has always been there. The bed wetter telling me this insisted, but it’s getting bigger (see that proves it’s a problem)! And again I responded: scientists already know that. It gets smaller, too! I think the conversation ended then, with something about it was no use talking to me!

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Richard Page
November 11, 2021 8:01 pm

I always wondered, if R-11, R-12, and R-22 have been in use for 40 years (or more) and the worst harm from them is a hypothetical (supported by just one paper that relied heavily on models to reach a dubious conclusion) ozone layer problem, why would we abandon these KNOWN benign refrigerants and dash Willy-nilly into production AND MANDATORY USE of new refrigerants that have no track record and very little testing? Even if the ozone thing was correct in-re CFC refrigerants (it wasn’t) it took 40 years of use to find even that so-called problem, why would we rush to the use of new refrigerants? What kinds of problems might THEY cause? And the problems could be way bigger than having an affinity for ozone! What kind of morons were leading the (allegedly) civilized world to fall for that kind of shell game, hook, line and sinker?

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Red94ViperRT10
November 11, 2021 8:02 pm

…or is that a bait-and-switch?

Wade
Reply to  Philip Rose
November 10, 2021 1:58 pm

Prove the ozone hole did not exist before the industrial revolution. Prove the ozone hole did not exist before the first CFC chemical was invented. Prove that DuPont chemicals lobbying to ban DuPont Chemical’s Freon gas with an expiring patent helped the ozone.

You will not be able to. The truth needs no protection and can survive any assault thrown against it whereas the lie needs a strong fortress of censorship and propaganda to protect it.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Wade
November 11, 2021 8:20 pm

I think that was the discussion that first alerted me, if the Lame-Stream-Media labels something a “conspiracy theory” that means we just nailed the true explanation!

Doonman
Reply to  Philip Rose
November 10, 2021 3:39 pm

DuPont runs Delaware for the benefit of DuPont where they are fondly called “Uncle Dupy”.

Who else in charge is from Delaware?

Reply to  John Tillman
November 10, 2021 12:16 pm

“Some argue that CO2 causes cooling in Antarctica.”

Yes, and the reasons are long known. AGW depends for its effect on the lapse rate. But the Antarctic high plateau has a strong inversion, with negative lapse rate. That means GHGs reduce radiative forcing locally

“• Increased GHG concentrations in polar inversion layers cause negative top-of-atmosphere instantaneous and effective radiative forcing

Alba
Reply to  Nick Stokes
November 10, 2021 12:43 pm

How long is ‘long’? Was it known ‘long’ before it was observed that the temperature trend was downwards?
And what about all the ‘climate scoentists’ who tell us that the Antarctic is getting warmer?
In response to Crichton, the lead author of the research paper, Peter Doran, published a statement in The New York Times[6] stating, “… our results have been misused as ‘evidence’ against global warming by Michael Crichton in his novel State of Fear…. Our study did find that 58 percent of Antarctica cooled from 1966 to 2000. But during that period, the rest of the continent was warming. And climate models created since our paper was published have suggested a link between the lack of significant warming in Antarctica and the ozone hole over that continent. These models, conspicuously missing from the climate change denial literature, suggest that as the ozone hole heals — thanks to worldwide bans on ozone-destroying chemicals — all of Antarctica is likely to warm with the rest of the planet. (Wikipedia)
The South Pole is warming at a rate nearly three times faster than the global average, scientists have discovered. (Scientific American)

Ted
Reply to  Nick Stokes
November 10, 2021 1:54 pm

The German weather station is on the coast, at an elevation of 55 feet. No inversion, also significant cooling.

Reply to  Ted
November 10, 2021 4:55 pm

Cooling in winter only.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Nick Stokes
November 11, 2021 3:36 am

So, not getting warmer. The thermageddonists have been screeching for decades that the South Pole was going to get warmer.. Be careful Nick, you’ll get deplatformed by the CAGW brigade if you admit it’s been cooling!

mkelly
Reply to  Nick Stokes
November 10, 2021 2:21 pm

Nick says:”AGW depends for its effect on the lapse rate.”

Lapse rate for dry air is – g/ Cp. What is the new value for Cp of dry air now that ppm of CO2 has increased?

Reply to  mkelly
November 10, 2021 4:48 pm

The lapse rate hasn’t changed. Locally, high Antarctica has a negative observed lapse rate. That reverses the effect of GHG on IR interference.

Derg
Reply to  Nick Stokes
November 10, 2021 7:08 pm

“ That reverses the effect of GHG on IR interference.”

You forgot “and may cause anal bleeding”…geez.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Nick Stokes
November 11, 2021 4:02 am

Oh, come on Nick, you know that if the Antarctic was showing record warmth you’d be claiming it was proof of CAGW. Or, if it does start warming in the Antarctic will you claim CAGW is twaddle?

Forrest Gardener
Reply to  Nick Stokes
November 10, 2021 3:37 pm

Not your best work Nick.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  John Tillman
November 10, 2021 12:31 pm
John Tillman
Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 11, 2021 12:04 pm

Catastrophic Global Climate Sameness.

November 10, 2021 10:19 am

In the last days, the Swiss Alpes measured Antarctic tempertures at the ground:

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ResourceGuy
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 10, 2021 11:49 am

Maybe it will warm up in time for Davos.

Thin Air
November 10, 2021 10:22 am

“Let’s see. Ok. We will include a data point or two for Antarctica and 30 different points for the Arctic. Then average it. Fair enough?”

How do they do the “global average” really??! And who gets to check every step in the process?? Anyone outside “the team”?

Mr.
Reply to  Thin Air
November 10, 2021 11:07 am

Well, the last cell in the spreadsheet contains the required result value, so you just formulate your formulas accordingly.

Simples!

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Mr.
November 11, 2021 8:28 pm

Which cell is the “last cell” in a spreadsheet? When I started working with hourly data I started to put all my equation results (sums, averages, min/max, etc.) at the top, often above the headings even, so I wouldn’t have to scroll past 8,760 lines of data (plus headers plus all the explanations of my equations plus defining the variables plus…) to see the “bottom line”.

RickWill
Reply to  Thin Air
November 10, 2021 1:23 pm

In 1850 there were two guys in a rowboat who ventured off Lands End in England with their trusty thermometer to take the global sea surface temperature. Each day they would go offshore as far as the weather and time permitted; take their reading then row back to shore before nightfall.

Anyone who claims a measured global temperature trend since 1850 is a con artist. The first permanent Antarctic base was at 74S, established in 1905. Amundsen made it to the South Pole in 1911. I do not know if he carried a thermometer.

Satellite coverage has given some indication of a global trend but the UAH LTL trend is only loosely related to surface temperature. The NOAA/NCEP optimally interpolated sea surface temperature is based on point reading from the tropical moored buoys. It appears to be a reliable indicator of SST.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  RickWill
November 11, 2021 11:31 am
  1. The uncertainty interval associated with the global average temperature is so wide as to mask totally the temperature differences that are trying to be identified. This uncertainty carries through to any baseline average used to calculate anomalies.
  2. The use of mid-range temps hides the variances associated with the temperature profile at any specific measuring station. These variances carry over to any anomaly, the anomalies will have the same variance as the underlying data. Variance is a measure of the width wherein expected values might lie.

If you *really* wanted a global average temperature then having all stations take a temperature measure at the same objective time, e.g. 0000 UTC. That value, however, would still need to have an uncertainty propagation done which would likely still mask any temperature difference that is trying to be found.

Forrest Gardener
Reply to  Thin Air
November 10, 2021 3:41 pm

Heck, Australian territory is Australian territory. Just start with the temperatures from Alice Springs and project from there. After all you can’t get more geographically average in Australia than Alice Springs.

Mr.
Reply to  Forrest Gardener
November 10, 2021 5:54 pm

And in Alice it’s hot.
Damn hot

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mr.
November 11, 2021 4:21 am

I remember stepping off the airplane for the first time in South Vietnam. It felt like I was walking into a blast furnace, coming off that airplane.

DD More
Reply to  Thin Air
November 10, 2021 3:42 pm

They just give an actual temp and their fake number and you get to use which ever you like. Of course the media always use the scary number. See –

Steven Mosher | June 28, 2014 at 12:16 pm | [ Reply to the prior post ” “]
 “One example of one of the problems can be seen on the BEST site at station 166900–not some poorly sited USCHN station, rather the Amundsen research base at the south pole, where 26 lows were ‘corrected up to regional climatology’ ( which could only mean the coastal Antarctic research stations or a model) creating a slight warming trend at the south pole when the actual data shows none-as computed by BEST and posted as part of the station record.”

 The lows are not Corrected UP to the regional climatology.

There are two data sets. your are free to use either.
 You can use the raw data
 You can use the EXPECTED data.
http://judithcurry.com/2014/06/28/skeptical-of-skeptics-is-steve-goddard-right/

See how easy it is.
If a fully automated, staffed by research scientists has already been adjusted. They are free to use any number they like. Anything for the cause.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  DD More
November 10, 2021 10:36 pm

What the hell is “expected data”??

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
November 11, 2021 4:51 am

Well, I’m not sure but I think alarmists expect warmer temperatures in the future. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  DD More
November 11, 2021 4:36 am

“In other words, the [dishonest] adjustments have added an astonishing 1.35C to the annual temperature for 2013. Note also that I have included the same figures for 1934, which show that the adjustment has reduced temperatures that year by 0.91C. So, the net effect of the adjustments between 1934 and 2013 has been to add 2.26C of warming.”

Thanks for that article.

This is called Bastardizing the official temperature record. This is how they do it. This is how they turn 1934 from being the hottest year in the 20th century in the U.S. into insignificance.

All the instrument-era Hockey Stick chart creators are guilty of scientific fraud. Among other things.

It was just as warm in the recent past as it is today, but the Data Manipulators have changed all that in their computers and are telling the rest of us we are living in the hottest times in human history. And it’s all a lie meant to sell the Human-caused Climate Change narrative.

The perpetrators need to pay. They have cost this world dearly with their blatant lies about the Earth’s temperatures.

Does any alarmist want to defend the temperature bastardization described above?

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 11, 2021 6:31 am

Invariably, when confronted with regional charts that show zero or negative “expected results”, the cry is: “it got a lot hotter someplace else!”

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
November 11, 2021 11:34 am

but they never say where!

November 10, 2021 10:27 am

As I’ve been saying for years, I first noticing the jet stream tracks becoming more meridional around 2000.
That does not appear to have been a coincidence.
Furthermore, we have seen cooling La Nina events become more frequent, as I predicted.
There are signs that we are entering a cooling period.

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Ireneusz Palmowski
November 10, 2021 10:33 am

How does this affect the temperature in Australia? Here is the anomaly forecast.comment image

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
November 10, 2021 10:54 am

But it’s a dry cold caused by…you guessed it.

Forrest Gardener
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
November 10, 2021 3:43 pm

Hottest cold weather ever!

commieBob
November 10, 2021 10:37 am

The Neumayer Station is located on the coast (actually on an ice shelf) but not on the peninsula.

With the exception of the peninsula, most of Antarctica is isolated from the rest of the world by strong circumpolar currents. For that reason, and because of its altitude, the antarctic is way different than the arctic.

As you’d expect, Neumayer, being close to the ocean and lower altitude than Amunsden-Scott, is warmer.

I was surprised at the magnitude of the cooling at Neumayer, but that’s probably because I have zero experience with the antarctic.

TonyL
November 10, 2021 10:47 am

After years and years, still nobody knows how to do Climate Science.
It was not the coldest period on record, it was the *warmest*.
Remember, everybody, this is Antarctica, all the way at the bottom of the planet. Everything there is upside down. You are looking at the chart wrong.
Flip It Over!!!!!

See?
Warmest, not coldest.

Science!!!


Bindidon
November 10, 2021 10:50 am

It makes few sense to play Coolista on the base of just one station.

Here is a picture showing all Antarctica stations available in 2019:

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Having a look at all that and producing a full report would be a bit better than this hand waving.

Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 11:05 am

And, now ? Does that change any temperature ?

Bindidon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 10, 2021 12:24 pm

Krishna Goose, you are a person permanently exaggerating cooling just like others exaggerate warming.

I should be absolutely evident to you that a fair report about numerous stations would be more welcome than hand waving with only one of them.

*
And by the way, kluge Gans: if Antarctica was so heavily cooling as you suggest, why then did the sea ice extent around it decrease since end of August, instead of increasing, or at least keeping constant like in 2020?

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Source

ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/south/daily/data/

This however is exactly what you wouldn’t talk even a bit about, nicht wahr?

Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 3:02 pm

You may have read in the article, that 2 stations were mentioned, Neumayer at the coast, the other at the inner Antarctic near the pole, the Amundsen Scott South Pole Station.
And please show me my exaggeration.
Your question about the continent surrounding SI is not part of the inner, cool continent, where do you see the exact correlation ?
Does that answer your question at least partly ? 😀
You have absoltely no idea about what I would, more or less talk or not. 😀

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Bindidon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 10, 2021 4:09 pm

I repeat: if the continent was cooling at the level you suggest, the sea ice area around it would be much greater.

AlexBerlin
Reply to  Bindidon
November 11, 2021 6:24 pm

Why? Read slowly what you just wrote: “If the CONTINENT was cooling, the SEA ice area surrounding it would be much greater.” Does that still make any sense to you? I should think that the continent isn’t much help in making the sea water freeze like some big ice cube dropped into the sea. Most of the Antarctic continent is many many miles away from the sea to begin with, with no possible mechanism to “suck” thermal energy from the surrounding sea. If sea ice is melting, there’s only two plausible reasons: Either the air above or the water below (or both of them!) is warm enough to bring the ice above melting point temperature AT THE SPOT WHERE THE MELTING HAPPENS – not on some Continent far away.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 3:19 pm

doesn’t the sea ice extent normally decrease after winter ends in the southern hemisphere? BTW the grey bar for the 1981-2010 mean is completely useless, it should have some kind of seasonal adjustment or something

Bindidon
Reply to  Matt Kiro
November 10, 2021 4:07 pm

I think, Matt Kiro, that you do not quite understand how anomalies work.

The grey bar of course is correct and useful: it represents the mean of the reference period out of which anomalies are computed.

Anomalies are computed out of absolute values such that the seasonal dependencies are removed, like here:

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What you mean with ‘doesn’t the sea ice extent normally decrease after winter ends in the southern hemisphere?’ you rather see when looking at the absolute values:

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Mark Kaiser
Reply to  Bindidon
November 11, 2021 8:54 am

Why all the down votes?

Bindidon was addressing Matt Kiro’s questions and quite clearly at that.

Bindidon, I’m not sure I agree with your original post, but I certainly agree with your reply to Matt.

goldminor
Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 6:43 pm

The sea ice drew back because of surface wind changes which carry warm air to the south directly into the sea ice. You can watch that take place here. … https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=168.56,-92.34,672/loc=50.927,-79.800

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bindidon
November 11, 2021 5:06 am

“I should be absolutely evident to you that a fair report about numerous stations would be more welcome than hand waving with only one of them.”

You mean the one located at the South Pole? That is sort of a special location, wouldn’t you say?

John Tillman
Reply to  Bindidon
November 11, 2021 9:07 am

Antarctic sea ice extent peaked on September 1 this year, about two weeks earlier than average, but that wasn’t due to warmth on the continent. It had been above average previously in 2021, since late February.

It fell during October, but now is on track with 2019 and 2018, but below 2020, a high year. NSIDC says:

“Sea ice extent is particularly low along the western side of the Antarctic Peninsula, including the northern Weddell Sea and the central Indian Ocean sector. Air temperatures at the 925 hPa level (about 2,500 feet above the surface) were up to 6 degrees Celsius (11 degrees Fahrenheit) above average within the Weddell Sea. A strong low pressure feature in the Amundsen Sea and above average air pressure in the area south of Australia drove winds that led to the pattern of sea ice extent around the continent.”

The Center doesn’t mention volcanoes.

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MarkW
Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 1:06 pm

There are more stations in the Antarctic than there are in the Arctic, yet nobody has a problem using that lack of data, since it supports the narrative.

BTW, didn’t Mann use a single tree to represent the temperature of the entire planet for a 400 year period in his hockey stick?

Derg
Reply to  MarkW
November 10, 2021 1:47 pm

Mann is a fraud

Bindidon
Reply to  MarkW
November 10, 2021 4:14 pm

” There are more stations in the Antarctic than there are in the Arctic ”

Sorry, that is sheer nonsense.

There are many many more stations in the Arctic between 60N and 82.5 N than in the Antarctic between 60S and 90S.

GHCN daily for example has 2,260 stations in the Arctic, and 102 in the Antarctic.

Bindidon
Reply to  MarkW
November 10, 2021 4:20 pm

” BTW, didn’t Mann use a single tree to represent the temperature of the entire planet for a 400 year period in his hockey stick? ”

I would enjoy to see the source of your strrrange claim 🙂

Simon
Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 6:30 pm

Don’t hold your breath, MarkW makes (a lot of) stuff up.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
November 10, 2021 7:12 pm

And here come the Russia colluuuusionist

Simon
Reply to  Derg
November 10, 2021 7:25 pm

There goes the one trick pony.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
November 10, 2021 7:33 pm

Agree that you are a one trick pony…you just believe in Russia colluuuusion fairy tales

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
November 10, 2021 7:55 pm

He believes whatever benefits him the most. Facts are not necessary and get in the way.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
November 11, 2021 6:34 am

Hi, Rachel! Say ‘hi’ to Adam Schiffhead for me.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
November 10, 2021 7:50 pm

I’ve provided Simon with the sources that he requested. As usual, he rejected them because they weren’t climate science approved.
Most of them were sites that accumulated lists of studies. The site itself wasn’t a science site, but the links to actual papers were given. Of course Simon never got past the URL of the accumulator sites. Not that he was ever interested in anything that doesn’t support his religious beliefs.

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Simon
Reply to  MarkW
November 11, 2021 12:58 am

I’m not religious. I just dislike fake people.

Reply to  Simon
November 11, 2021 2:57 am

Aha, a self-hater 😀

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
November 11, 2021 6:36 am

Of course you are, the word describes your interactions with other people to a T.

Reply to  Simon
November 11, 2021 2:56 am

Simple Simon says… 😀

Lrp
Reply to  Bindidon
November 11, 2021 10:47 am

How many trees did he use then?

Reply to  MarkW
November 11, 2021 5:02 am

It was one of his accomplices, Trenbert may be ?

John Tillman
Reply to  Bindidon
November 11, 2021 9:01 am

The coldest parts of the interior aren’t well sampled.

ResourceGuy
November 10, 2021 10:53 am

Does this mean we get to claw back high speed rail funds from California after Jerry Brown used the opposite trend as a prop?

Ireneusz Palmowski
November 10, 2021 10:57 am
goldminor
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
November 10, 2021 5:33 pm

Here is a good look at the difference between this year and previous years around the same day. This is from 11/9/2017. Actually, unable to post the pic because it is 2.31 Mb, and this site rejects anything over 2 Mb, unfortunately. However the pic from 2017 11/9 shows that the low temp was around 20 degrees F above today’s temps, and the cold covers a greater overall extent today as compared to the 5 previous years.

THOMAS ENGLERT
Reply to  goldminor
November 10, 2021 9:07 pm

If your pic is jpeg, just save it to a new file slightly compressed to get under 2Mb.

goldminor
Reply to  THOMAS ENGLERT
November 11, 2021 5:46 pm

Thanks.

fretslider
November 10, 2021 10:59 am

According to Holdren’s rule, record cold in the Antarctic is proof of record global warming.

Philip Rose
Reply to  fretslider
November 10, 2021 11:40 am

You’re mixing your warming up with your climate changes.

fretslider
Reply to  Philip Rose
November 10, 2021 11:54 am

As do they all

MarkW
Reply to  Philip Rose
November 10, 2021 1:08 pm

I’d rather mix a margarita.

John Tillman
Reply to  MarkW
November 11, 2021 12:53 pm

One part Key lime juice, two parts Triple Sec (or Cointreau, if you’re rich, but I actually prefer TS), and three parts silver/blanco 100% blue agave tequila (no need for premium brand, as mixed rather than straight).

¿De acuerdo?

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beng135
November 10, 2021 11:05 am

Maybe shows CO2 actually cools the Antarctic thru its common temperature inversions.

Richard Page
Reply to  beng135
November 10, 2021 12:20 pm

Or maybe it shows that temperature has absolutely nothing to do with CO2 levels whatsoever. Why don’t you show me the scientific study which apparently proves a link between CO2 and temperatures?

THOMAS ENGLERT
Reply to  Richard Page
November 10, 2021 9:09 pm

Change in temps leads to change in CO2, historically.

Streetcred
Reply to  beng135
November 10, 2021 1:46 pm

how does that play out in the Alps ?

beng135
Reply to  Streetcred
November 11, 2021 8:59 am

I don’t think the Alps (or the Himalayas for that matter) are high enough to get close to the tropopause (where temps start increasing). The Antarctic is very unusual in that the tropopause, due to elevation and temp inversions, can get down to the surface.

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Brad
November 10, 2021 11:29 am

What is going to happen to those millions of people worldwide who make a living grifting on evil CO2, once all the corruption is fully exposed? Most are mindless robots who were indoctrinated at a young age, and have no critical thinking skills. What are they going to do to make a living? Starbucks already has too many college graduates pumping coffee. If we removed all the illegals in the US, we’d have a lot of demand for dishwashers and gardeners.. Brutal thoughts but…

Richard Page
Reply to  Brad
November 10, 2021 12:23 pm

Lorry, taxi and bus drivers are needed in the UK at the moment, as are fruit pickers and other jobs like that – do them good to get out into the fresh air and get some manure on their boots.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
November 10, 2021 1:09 pm

Lord knows, they have plenty of experience with manure already.

ResourceGuy
November 10, 2021 11:39 am

Maybe we just need to learn more about the volcanic activity and average eruption frequency of the west Antarctic Peninsula?

Richard Page
Reply to  ResourceGuy
November 10, 2021 4:46 pm

Well we know that there are only 2 active volcanoes in Antarctica; Mt Erebus on Ross island and Deception island in the South Shetlands. All of the others so far discovered (there may be far more) appear to be dormant although localised sources of heat. Mt Erebus last erupted in 2015 and Deception island’s last confirmed eruption was in 1970, although it has been active without erupting since then.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Richard Page
November 10, 2021 11:06 pm

I think he was referring to the ones beneath the peninsula.

Richard Page
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
November 11, 2021 12:35 pm

Well, I did reference them – they’re dormant volcanoes, so a source of heat at that area but not likely to erupt any time soon. About the most you’ll get from them is a little bit of magma seeping out from time to time – I think that the idea of violent eruptions under the ice is pure alarmism and has little to do with the conditions in the Antarctic.

John Tillman
Reply to  Richard Page
November 11, 2021 1:24 pm

Actually, we don’t know how many of the known 133 Antarctic volcanoes are currently erupting:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-antarctica

Disputin
Reply to  Richard Page
November 11, 2021 3:15 am

And all the ones under the ice?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  mwhite
November 11, 2021 5:17 am

The whole climate change crisis has been invented.

Jon R
November 10, 2021 12:30 pm

That sneaky cOhToo strikes again. Don’t look under the bed!!!!

Vuk
November 10, 2021 12:33 pm

Arctic unprecedentedly warming, Antarctica unprecedentedly cooling. Earth’s poles temperature swings from one extreme to the other, this planet is bipolar (suffers from Mannic depression of the MWP) don’t they know?
(Bipolar disorder is a mental health condition that affects moods, which can swing from one extreme to another. It used to be known as manic depression.)

RickWill
Reply to  Vuk
November 10, 2021 1:40 pm

This is the millennium time trend in insolation as the precession cycle progresses. Southern Hemisphere had maximum sunlight in the current precession cycle in 1585. Since then perihelion has occurred later than the austral summer solstice resulting in reduced peak summer sunlight in the Southern Hemisphere. The peak now occurs in early January.

The reverse is occurring in the Northern Hemisphere where it is gradually getting more sunlight in the boreal summer. This trend will continue for 12,000 years. However boreal winters are now getting less sunlight. That means increasing snowfall and eventual increasing ice accumulation. The current cycle of glaciation commenced in 1585.

Bindidon
Reply to  RickWill
November 10, 2021 4:29 pm

On last Sunday we flew back from Southern Spain to Northeast Germany.

We crossed the Alps for the nth time in the last 30 years, and saw this year incredibly small amounts of snow there, what is – compared with earlier – unusual for the beginning of November.

And our last relevant amount of snow at home: that was in February… 2010.

Maybe you are speaking about what we should expect… in 1,000 years?

billtoo
Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 5:36 pm

otzi thinks otherwise

Richard Page
Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 6:20 pm

Weather events are different every year – some will have snow, some a little warmer, but variations around a general trend. How is the weather that you saw for a couple of hours on one day of one year relevant? If you flew over that region every day for the next 30 years and posted the changes over that time then I might be interested, otherwise not.

Derg
Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 7:35 pm

You were flying….shame on you. Greta is angry.

MarkW
Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 7:57 pm

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Mr.
Reply to  Bindidon
November 10, 2021 8:42 pm

Well that’s interesting.
Our local mountain range is already well covered down to about 100 meters elevation.
Ski field opening in 2 weeks time.
Last year didn’t open until Xmas eve.
Weather hey, what can we do about it?

Bindidon
Reply to  Mr.
November 11, 2021 3:24 pm

Good for you, Mr X. But… what about looking some 50 km outside of your ‘local mountain range’ ?

Reply to  Bindidon
November 11, 2021 3:36 am

You may look here about Alpine snow

https://kachelmannwetter.com/de/analyse/superhd/super-hd/schneehoehen-grid/20211110-0600z.html

Bad for you the valley you saw during your flight was the one without snow 😀

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Reply to  Bindidon
November 11, 2021 3:47 am

https://twitter.com/Kachelmannwettr/status/1458444683663794182?s=20

Bad your flight led you elsewhere than snowy Alps 😀

Lrp
Reply to  Bindidon
November 11, 2021 11:02 am

You should try walking trough it rather than flying over it; you might feel different

Bindidon
Reply to  Bindidon
November 11, 2021 3:20 pm

I think some people either don’t know anything about the Alps, or simply are kidding us all here.

Look at this picture:

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Around November 10, about 30 cm snow on average ?!

You should have seen the Alps in November 30-40 years ago 🙂

You all know nothing about the Alps, even not the German Goose…

Meine Güte, was seid Ihr alle bloß für süffisante Sprücheklopper.

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Streetcred
November 10, 2021 1:33 pm

Apparently the 140 or so ppm added CO2 couldn’t trap enough heat to prevent a record cold from being set. The previous record for June-July-August was set in 2004.

… and CO2 supposed to be “a well mixed gas”.

Forrest Gardener
Reply to  Streetcred
November 10, 2021 3:49 pm

Yeah, well, um. CO2 is an insulator so it keeps the cold in.

Sorry it is the best I could do at short notice.

Carlo, Monte
November 10, 2021 1:40 pm

The 20.75°C “record” reading resulted from a faulty instrument, and thus was nullified last July.

According to the Adjustors, these data should changed and revived. But it appears the DWD handled it correctly by deleting the bad data.

Dick Reed
November 10, 2021 4:39 pm

Silly, everybody knows that global warming causes both warming and cooling! That’s why it’s called climate change these days.

I’m waiting for a period of UNchanging climate, because I’m sure we’ll still be told it means the planet is doomed, and it’ll somehow be our fault that the climate has stopped changing. Oh, and of course the only way to fix it is higher taxes.

Pat from Kerbob
November 10, 2021 5:21 pm

OT, sorry about that, but can someone direct me to the source of the quote from Gavin Schmidt admitting the models all run too hot?

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  DMacKenzie
November 11, 2021 7:27 pm

Even admitting one might be garbage is an epiphany

goldminor
November 10, 2021 5:39 pm

Today’s temps in Antarctica are substantially colder over a much larger area as compared to the previous 5 years, and undoubtedly are so for many more years prior to 2017. I see a temp difference of around 20 degrees F lower for the heart of the continent compared to recent years.

PaulH
November 10, 2021 6:03 pm

Ummm… perhaps we should be concerned about things getting too cold?

Richard Page
Reply to  PaulH
November 10, 2021 6:25 pm

Not just yet I think. We should be concerned about keeping the lights and heating going while it’s not too cold. Anyway we went through all of this with much the same crowd in the 70’s and nothing really changes, they can only think in straight lines!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Richard Page
November 11, 2021 5:27 am

“Anyway we went through all of this with much the same crowd in the 70’s and nothing really changes, they can only think in straight lines!”

Yes, for some reason, alarmists seem to think a trend will go on forever. The Global Cooling crowd thought temperatures would continue to cool in the 1970’s, to the point that they thought the Earth might be entering a new Ice Age, and today, the Global Warming crowd still think it is 2016, and temperatures are going higher.

RoHa
November 10, 2021 9:53 pm

But you are all forgetting that CO2 has made everything warmer, and that includes degrees. So although there are fewer degrees in Anarctica (210 Kelvin), each one of those degrees is much warmer than Kelvin degrees used to be. (Heat makes them expand.) So actually Antarctica is warming up and we are all doomed.

Jphn
November 11, 2021 12:18 am

Perhaps the cause is Witchcraft

November 11, 2021 12:24 am

Meanwhile record snowfall in Shenyang in China

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59243836

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
November 11, 2021 5:31 am

Yes, we can see a dip in the jet stream over China right now bringing colder air into the area. Here’s a nullschool picture of it with the dip marked:

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=86.11,59.16,304/loc=128.926,43.400

goldminor
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
November 11, 2021 5:39 pm

Also of note, look at the October sea ice volume. At this rate of growth the volume will rise substantially higher than compared to the last previous 6 seasons. … http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/BPIOMASIceVolumeAnomalyCurrentV2.1.png

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Bindidon
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
November 12, 2021 1:39 am

Boaah. The poor people…

Luckily, near Berlin in Germoney, we experience each year a bit less snow.
Our last snowy winter was… 2010.

Weiter so!

Ooops! Addendum.

I suddenly recall that in 1999, after a fantastic summer, snow came down on October 3!

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November 11, 2021 3:07 am

Warming is wishfull thinking here
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Bindidon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 11, 2021 3:32 pm

No problem with showing Eastern Siberia…

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But… what does the German Goosie think about these refreshing November days in Oimjakon?

RSM00024688 61-129 1960 11 29 -58.5 (°C)
RSM00024688 61-129 1952 11 18 -57.8
RSM00024688 61-129 1952 11 26 -57.2
RSM00024688 61-129 1952 11 27 -57.2
RSM00024688 61-129 1960 11 28 -56.9
RSM00024688 61-129 1965 11 30 -56.8
RSM00024688 61-129 1952 11 19 -56.7
RSM00024688 61-129 1952 11 25 -56.7
RSM00024688 61-129 1997 11 30 -56.7
RSM00024688 61-129 1950 11 29 -56.6

-43 °C? Looks pretty warm there… So what!

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Bindidon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 11, 2021 4:23 pm

Oh I see! That’s unfair. I should have filtered Nov 11 instead, for all Russian stations this time:

RSM00024688 61-129 1977 11 11 -52.4
RSM00024688 61-129 1964 11 11 -52.0
RSM00024661 61-124 1954 11 11 -50.3
RSM00024329 62-117 1962 11 11 -50.2
RSM00024763 61-125 1977 11 11 -50.1
RSM00021908 64-117 1972 11 11 -49.8
RSM00024382 62-129 1977 11 11 -49.6
RSM00024266 63-125 1911 11 11 -49.5
RSM00024382 62-129 1962 11 11 -49.5
RSM00024688 61-129 1963 11 11 -49.5

So, -43 °C is nothing unusual in Eastern Siberia.

And… no: I won’t interpret it as warming.

Tom Abbott
November 11, 2021 5:37 am

Here’s the way the jet stream looks over Antarctica. It looks like Australia is getting a little cold air from there.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=158.60,-68.64,304/loc=128.926,43.400

maarten
November 11, 2021 6:19 am

Cue in the official “smoothing, cleaning and homogenization” of this inconvenient data.

Poof – nothing to see here, move along…

Matt
November 11, 2021 2:53 pm

Its all that man made global warming making things so darned cold. I we had only listened to Gore and Gretta our cities would not be under water by now.

goldminor
November 11, 2021 5:44 pm
Bindidon
Reply to  goldminor
November 12, 2021 1:36 am

My eye-balling instrument tells me that within 1982-87 and 2012-2017 it looked even a bit healthier.

Your post reminds me a certain escalator…

roaddog
November 11, 2021 11:33 pm

We’ve located Doom Pixie’s stolen childhood.

chris norman
November 12, 2021 3:23 pm

A GSM is here. Its just the begining.

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