No Mention Of The Little Ice Age, Justin?

Reposted from NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

NOVEMBER 6, 2021

By Paul Homewood

Justin Rowlatt, brother of Insulate Britain loon Cordelia, has flown to Alaska now to complain about melting glaciers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-59186214

He visited the famous Portage Glacier to make his point.

It’s a pity the useless Rowlatt did not do his homework first. It is well established amongst glaciologists that glaciers in Alaska expanded massively during the Little Ice Age. Indeed, the remains of forests now being uncovered by receding glaciers, dated back to the Middle Ages, show that glaciers then were much less extensive than now.

It is also known that modern glacial retreat began in the 19thC, long before any supposed impact from AGW, which Rowlatt wants to blame.

I did a detailed analysis of the Portage Glacier two years ago, following Michael Portillo’s filming there of his series Great Railroad Journeys. I won’t copy it in full, but you can see it here. The salient points are below.

To recap, Michael Portillo’s railway journeys are based around the Appleton’s travel guides from the 19thC. There was even one for Alaska, which included this gem:

“Old residents insist that the climate is changing. That the summers are warmer and drier. The rapid retreat of all the glaciers during even 20 years is offered as another proof.”

The guide was published in 1899, so this is good evidence that glacier retreat began long before even then.

The US Geological Survey confirms that the Portage Glacier itself has been receding since at least 1914, and that the fastest retreat occurred between 1939 and 1950:

During the late 1800s and early 1900s, Portage Glacier terminated on land at the western end of Portage Lake, filling Portage Lake with ice (Photo Plate 1914). Since the early 1900s, the glacier has receded, leaving Portage Lake in the scoured basin. The initial retreat of the glacier coincides with known climate warming associated with the end of the Little Ice Age (circa mid-19th century). As the glacier receded, its land-based terminus retreated into proglacial Portage Lake and changed from its relatively stable land-based environment to an unstable calving environment. The most rapid recession of some 140 to 160 meters per year occurred between 1939 (Photo Plate, 1939) and 1950, when water depth at the terminus was at its maximum—roughly 200 meters. Recession continued through the 1970s and 1980s (Photo Plate, 1972, 1984) until by late 1999, Portage Glacier had receded almost 5 kilometers, to a more stable position at the eastern end of Portage Lake (Photo Plate, 1999). The retreat was driven primarily by calving of unstable ice at the glacier terminus into Portage Lake. Ice loss resulting from increased melting of the glacier surface during the past century-long general warming trend contributed to glacier retreat, but to a lesser extent. Today, the terminus of Portage Glacier remains close to its 1999 location.

As I wrote at the time:

Many scientists have closely measured and studied glaciers throughout Alaska, and the conclusions have always been the same. Alaskan glaciers, which grew enormously during the Little Ice Age, began rapid retreat during the 19thC.

But it is fascinating that this was all common knowledge to a writer of a tourist guidebook published in 1899.

That writer evidently knew more about Alaskan glaciers than Justin Rowlatt does now!

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Tom Halla
November 6, 2021 10:04 am

Not knowing history is up there with innumeracy as a requirement for a hard core green.

4E Douglas
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 6, 2021 10:15 am

But,but, we are much schmarter those old ones who had no computers or smart phones were ignorant knuckle dragging, non scientists. we are evolved, intelligent, enlightened.
How dare they !(Paraphrase St. Greta)
Now removing tongue firmly implanted in cheek.

SxyxS
Reply to  4E Douglas
November 6, 2021 1:24 pm

“Every generation imagines itself to be smarter than the one before and wiser than the one that comes after it”

George Orwell

…and that’s the curse of humanity and the main exploit besides moral supremacy that our marxist social engineers use.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  SxyxS
November 6, 2021 2:30 pm

Oh yes! My daughter is forever telling me where I’m going wrong – until the immortal words: ‘Dad… How do fix this/How does this work?

SxyxS
Reply to  Harry Passfield
November 7, 2021 6:06 am

When theory meets praxis the pseudointellectual supreme dogooder instantly turns into a humble person.
Even the own daughter.

And your daughter is lucky as she has someone with skills she can rely on.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  4E Douglas
November 6, 2021 11:59 pm

St Greta, the Poison Dwarf!!! 😉

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 6, 2021 10:25 am

How dare you? Justin is only living his truth, and practicing his religion.

Andre Thomas Lewis
Reply to  Rich Davis
November 6, 2021 6:23 pm

Indeed. I wonder when “my opinion” morphed into “my truth”?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Andre Thomas Lewis
November 7, 2021 8:14 am

At the point when the concept of objective truth was repudiated.

Greg Shark
Reply to  Andre Thomas Lewis
November 8, 2021 3:32 am

opinion morphing into truth is the domain of the ‘environmentalist’, without this ability to obfuscate opinion with truth such environmental fraudsters would fade into oblivion

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Rich Davis
November 7, 2021 9:40 am

…”living his truth”… – courtesy of my licence fee! And, against the rules of impartiality set by his own bosses!!!!

Vuk
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 6, 2021 11:32 am

He concluded that ‘this is case not only with Alaska glaciers but all around the world’.
I assume glaciers in the NH reach the annual minimum in the month of September, but I doubt that any glacier area has temperature records going to the bottom of the LIA.
So, I will take a hypothetical case of the CET’s September data, and see what it might suggest for e.g. the neighbouring Scotland with  an area where snow persisted throughout 12 months.
Relatively accurate mercury thermometer was invented by Dutchman Daniel Fahrenheit in 1714 and Fahrenheit scale was in use a decade later. Due to close trading relations between England and Holland I will assume that this instrument was quickly adopted in England and until mid 1960s it was considered to be one of the most accurate instruments for temperature measurements.
Back to the September’s CET, from the time of Fahrenheit scale (1725) to present day:
In this hypothetical case glaciers would be growing from 1720’s to 1840s and receding from 1840s to the present day. 

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JCM
Reply to  Vuk
November 6, 2021 12:01 pm

In this hypothetical case glaciers would be growing from 1720’s to 1840s and receding from 1840s to the present day. 

Your analysis indicates CET was minimum around the 1840 inflection. Surely glaciers wouldn’t start receding when temperature is minimum. I see this type of error often in climate analysis. The timing of the change in CET trend direction does not imply the timing of the onset of negative mass balance.

JCM
Reply to  JCM
November 6, 2021 12:56 pm

Similarly, the trend line in the 1720s is at a higher point than most of the 20th century so it isn’t logical to think the glaciers would have started advancing in the 1720s. The shift from positive to negative balance must be out of phase with this chart. Otherwise the idea to use CET is interesting for sure. My comment is receiving negative votes without explanation so maybe I have misunderstood Vuk’s intent.

Vuk
Reply to  JCM
November 7, 2021 1:09 am

Hi JCM
Thanks for your comments, in climate’s up and down trajectory there is influence of number of factors coming to fore sooner or later.
In view of that my last sentence should have been:
In this hypothetical case, if glaciers followed atmospheric temperature, glaciers would be growing from 1720’s to 1840s and receding from 1840s to the present day.” 

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 6, 2021 1:03 pm

Not just innumeracy, but a willingness to ignore any evidence that doesn’t support the narrative you are preaching. Even if they were to be presented with the evidence that the melting of these glaciers predated the rise of CO2, they would either ignore the data, or find some excuse, no matter how pathetic, to ignore that data.

Tom Halla
Reply to  MarkW
November 6, 2021 1:07 pm

Yes, but thinking of CO2 as the only thing that matters in climate is so simple. Simple, attractive, and wrong.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 6, 2021 2:38 pm

Yes, but thinking of CO2 as the only thing that matters in climate is so simple

I think the word you wanted is ‘simplistic’

“treating complex issues and problems as if they were much simpler than they really are.”

The warmunist’s entire narrative is simplistic … hidden within needless complexities intended to disguise and obfuscate natural history.

DD More
Reply to  MarkW
November 9, 2021 5:11 pm

Except not all glaciers behave logically. From an Obama Field Trip
Unlike many glacial terrains where cooling trends reduce summer melting, bringing on glacial advances, the Kenai Fjords glaciers move forward when warmer weather brings moisture-laden storms to the coast. Air is rapidly forced over the abrupt mountains and drops copious snowfall onto the Harding Icefield.

So if there is less ice, it mean it was colder, warmer would have meant more snow. So Resident Obama has now confirmed it is getting cooler?

Kenai Fjords National Park where Obama hiked

Changes in magnetic susceptibility (MS), organic-matter content (OM), and biogenic silica (BSi), record environmental changes since ~9500 BP. Goat Lake is situated ~450 m north of a drainage divide at ~70 m above lake level that separates the lake basin from the Harding Icefield (HIF) outlet glacier. Sediment analyses focused on the last 1000 yr; this interval includes a sharp transition from gyttja to overlying inorganic mud at ~1660 AD, which marks the first time since the Pleistocene deglaciation that the North Goat Outlet Glacier (NGO) of the HIF overtopped the drainage divide to spill meltwater into Goat Lake. One 14C age of ~1470 AD from a subfossil log buried by till in the NGO valley requires ~145 yr for the outlet glacier to have thickened 150 m to the elevation of the drainage divide where it remained until ~1890 AD. Since ~1890, the NGO has thinned 150 m and retreated 1.4 km, back to where it was in 1470 AD.
https://nau.edu/uploadedFiles/Academic/CEFNS/NatSci/SESES/Forms/Daigle_2006.pdf

<b>Current glacier positions last seen in 1470.</b>

bill Johnston
November 6, 2021 10:12 am

A hardcore cynic might accuse this author of being more interested in pushing the AGW hoax than in extolling the virtues of Alaska. Fortunately, I don’t know any of those.

Brad
November 6, 2021 10:12 am
Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 6, 2021 10:24 am

I don’t understand why these clowns are so in love with glaciers. I’ve walked around on a glacier in Austria and in the US too, cold places. The colours of the ice are lovely and a surprise the first time I saw it but so what if they melt? There is more land for growing stuff as the ice retreats and more water is freed up as well. This is a win-win! I say take a torch to the things and the world is better off. As for the tragedy of the “beloved glaciers” in Glacier National Park melting are concerned, boo-hoo! Been there a few times and was not impressed with the ice, much more fun to see all the surprisingly friendly wildlife. The mountain goats stop traffic and the ground squirrels beg treats from tourists, even climbing into their laps for cookies!

Tom Halla
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 6, 2021 11:45 am

I don’t know about Rocky Mountain States ground squirrels, but the ones in California carry the Black Plague (Yersinia pestis), so getting too close to their fleas might not be too advisable.

Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 6, 2021 12:03 pm

Yes, please don’t sleep with ground squirrels./sarc

One more reason to leave Califoolia. As if anybody needed one.

.KcTaz
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 6, 2021 2:48 pm

So do the squirrels at the Grand Canyon as the guides will quite cheerfully tell you as they advise the tourists to stay away from them.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 6, 2021 3:01 pm

I was horrified when I saw those tourists petting the squirrels and feeding them. They carry Hanta virus too and can give a nasty bite.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 6, 2021 3:09 pm

One can blame the City and County of San Francisco for plague escaping into the wildlife, due to the local government trying to hide a plague outbreak in the early 1900’s.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 6, 2021 5:18 pm

G’Day Pamela,

“…petting the squirrels…”

https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/rodents/index.html

Deer mice are the country wide carriers, spread via their urine.

In the mid-’90 we attended a three hour lecture/discussion in Mammoth Lakes CA. on health problems in the area. The presenters: Medical officers from Federal, State and Mono and Inyo Counties. Scary.

We were volunteer camp ground hosts with the US Forest Service at the time and were strongly urged to attend. West Nile was just reaching California at the time.

The Navajo Peoples would burn clothing that a mouse had run over. Modern doctors said “That’s just superstition.” You can guess what happened next.

G Mawer
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 6, 2021 12:02 pm

I think glaciers in retreat is a good thing. Expanding glaciers would soon become a big problem. Of course if they all disappear coastal cities will need to relocate, but beyond that the planet would be lush and flourish!!

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  G Mawer
November 6, 2021 3:03 pm

We could probably get along just fine without all those coastal cities but there were glaciers around during the MWP and the Roman Warm, so unlikely that they would all melt.

rah
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 6, 2021 1:46 pm

I’ve been several glaciers and climbed ice several times. I think they are fascinating. But they are also dangerous places to tread and one best be with someone that knows their business when traversing. Never ever go out alone and always go roped to another and know what your doing. Really the safest way is to be with a person that knows the particular glacier your on. Just practicing self rescue from a Crevasse using the sliding prussic method will kick a fit persons ass and at altitude it gets even tougher of course.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  rah
November 6, 2021 3:05 pm

Yes, the glaciers I was on were full of people skiing because there was no snow in the Alps that winter. The only skiing was on the glaciers and they were very tame and safe. Wild glaciers are a totally different critter and not for the novice and certainly no alone.

rah
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 6, 2021 4:26 pm

The year I went through 10th SFGs ski instructor training we started on a Glacier in Austria the first week of November. The Austrian ski team was training there. Then it was to the Zugspitze for German ski instructor school.

That winter the snows came late but when they came they were fantastic and sometimes I was skiing powder up to my waist off piste. It was also that winter I got caught in a small avalanche that put me under despite swimming like crazy but thankfully I was able to dig myself out of.

Then to the Brauneck for which we had season passes where I received further training from SF Ski instructors and then started training other SF soldiers. Followed by the annual winter warfare exercise in the Bavarian Alps moving on skis.

Then down over the Brenner Pass to Vipiteno, Italy in Sud Tirol to an Italian Army Alpini barracks where we met up with Italian SF and went through their ski instruction and their winter warfare exercise.

Did some night skiing with torches and believe it not tactical night skiing off piste.

Over Christmas I went two days without skiing and a couple times during transit missed a day or two. Other than that I was on skies every day from the first week of November until the middle of March the following year.

The Italian and German styles are very different.

I received climbing training from the militaries of several different countries and have Berg Heiled the three highest peaks in Europe and many others in the US, Germany, and Italy. But the best training I received on ice and traversing glaciers was attending the Austrian Army Hoc Alpinist mountaineering course.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 6, 2021 1:51 pm

You keeping talking sense like that, Pamela, and you’re going to get canceled.😃

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
November 6, 2021 3:06 pm

Why thank you, Thomas!

Rhs
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 6, 2021 3:22 pm

If the worry mongers and tree huggers worry about receding glaciers and a lack of water, wait until they see how little water comes from an advancing glacier.

fretslider
November 6, 2021 10:29 am

Rowlatt is as he put it himself, a weaselly man

Ouluman
November 6, 2021 10:30 am

You don’t need any expert knowledge if you are the BBCs (first ever) Climate Editor. He can see what evil mankind is doing just by looking at it. (And he has to pay his bills so the truth doesnt matter as long as it fits the agenda).

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Ouluman
November 7, 2021 12:21 am

Don’t worry, he’ll probably start demanding that we stop eating ALL carbon-based food products in the effort to “tackle Climate Change”!!! That’s the phrase of the week from Auntie BBC, what an utter waste of public money it is!!!

Richard Brown
November 6, 2021 10:40 am

The BBC employ useless tossers to spread lies and misinfomation to millions of people, using tax payers money and expect the populus to read it and believe it. Unfortunately, far too many of them do…..

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Richard Brown
November 6, 2021 1:53 pm

Well, it is probably borrowed money instead of tax payer money, all the Western democracies went broke with COVID.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
November 6, 2021 2:44 pm

all the Western democracies went broke with COVID.

Covid has done exactly what the Chinese intended … and possibly even more, considering the mental degeneration of so many these days.

SxyxS
November 6, 2021 10:41 am

1)Why is it necessary to travel to Alaska to watch a glacier?
Where’s the point in wasting ressources to observe a process that is so slow that it can not be really observed?
Stay at home and watch gras growing.It’s faster therefore more exciting,cheaper and there is a reference point as one can see(+remember ) the before/after progress.

2)Was the plane co2 neutral incl an e- Engine or was someone producing tons of co 2
just to satisfy his narcissistic tendencies by crying in front of an ice wall?

3) There is a constant sea level rise of 3mm a year.
This means that there is a constant loss of overall ice and snow mass .
Retreating glacier is the thing that should usually be expected in such a scenario.

4) Never expect a Judas to know about the little ice age from centuries ago if the Judas does not (want to) know about the ice age scare 4 decades ago that he is selling now as (rebranded and reloaded ) global warming > climate change.

Jack
Reply to  SxyxS
November 6, 2021 1:18 pm

The 3mm yearly rise of the seas level is a lie. The last average value given by tens of tide gauges corrected with altimetric GPS beacons is between 1,5 and 1, 7 mm/year

SxyxS
Reply to  Jack
November 7, 2021 6:23 am

I always use the 3mm lie for a simple reason.

Even if there is some kind of increase in sea level rise it will never be above 3mm per year.
If i use your numbers and they find a single place with 2.1 mm per year,they will say
“Sea level rise used to be 1.5 mm a year,now it’s 2.1mm.
Thats an increase of 40% .Proof of global warming.We are all doomed.”
They would instantly exploit natural fluctuations.
You give them a mm and theyll take a mile.

.KcTaz
Reply to  SxyxS
November 6, 2021 2:54 pm

I must differ with you. I’ve always wanted to see glaciers and got an up close and personal look at some on a cruise to Alaska. The exposed color at the water’s edge was an amazing blue and the glacier, also, granted my life-long wish of seeing a glacier calve. Spectacular!

Rhs
Reply to  .KcTaz
November 6, 2021 3:24 pm

I’ve been to Glacier Bay on a cruise. When it calves, it’s as loud as a rifle shot!

SxyxS
Reply to  .KcTaz
November 7, 2021 6:12 am

Your point and motivation is valid
as you did not went to see a glacier to watchmake it melt and make a show out of it.
You wanted to watch something observable and not something
that can barely be observed (disappearance of glacier )in a short period of time and which can be much better observed and quantified by satellite

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Wharfplank
November 6, 2021 10:43 am

The Millennials and Genz believe they will literally die of heat in their lifetimes…the schools did this.

gringojay
Reply to  Wharfplank
November 6, 2021 12:53 pm

Mindfulness ain’t what it used to be back when Buddha was chillin’.

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Cubbie Roo
November 6, 2021 10:47 am

And the BBC just ‘waves it though’ because even if it’s wrong, it’s like, totally ‘on message’.

Andy Pattullo
November 6, 2021 10:58 am

We have a Justin in Canada who is just as clever. You can have him if you want. He would make a great scarecrow having roughly the intellect of that most famous scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz. Come to think about it, the two Justins also share the fact they essentially live in a Wizard of Oz world where flying monkeys, evil witches and masquerading leaders conspire daily to ruin the lives of everyday people. I can just hear the plaintiff wailing from the great white north: “I’m melting I’m melting”.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
November 6, 2021 1:56 pm

Actually the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz was intelligent. Trudeau barely has enough intelligent to apply the black face of which he is so fond.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
November 6, 2021 2:50 pm

The Wizard of Oz is used by Tony Heller as an illusion daily in his pod cast and as the theme for his blog … Toto pulling back the curtain on the Wizard.

http://realclimatescience.com

.KcTaz
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
November 6, 2021 2:56 pm

I will see your Trudeau and raise you one Biden.

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  .KcTaz
November 7, 2021 7:25 am

Yes I’ll take the Biden – makes a great floatation device as the center has no substance – only vacuous hot air.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  .KcTaz
November 7, 2021 9:48 am

Is that worth an FJB or a multiple of LGB?

Sara
November 6, 2021 11:14 am

Welp, there weren’t any glaciers around during the Carboniferous epoch, and the planet was awash in a VERY HIGH OXYGEN VOLUME (beneficial for plants and insects), so then what is this guy’s point, other than his need to be the center of attention and his need for pats on the head?

The planet is FINE. Mr. Rowlett: not so much. I doubt that he’d last five minutes in the chill of Iceland’s fields of volcanoes.

John Tillman
Reply to  Sara
November 6, 2021 1:12 pm

Actually, there wwere not just glaciers, but continental ice sheets in the Carboniferous and Permian.

http://www.scotese.com/late.htm

Mike Edwards
Reply to  Sara
November 6, 2021 3:18 pm

Following on from John Tillman’s link to info about previous ice ages in Earth history, the following link gives a more comprehensive view of glacial periods throughout Earth’s history:

https://opentextbc.ca/geology/chapter/16-1-glacial-periods-in-earths-history/

It’s true to say that glacial periods represent a minority of Earth’s history, but they are by no means uncommon.

Of course, in all the hot air about “global warming” and “climate change”, it is usually forgotten that we are in the middle of an ice age, towards the end of an inter-glacial period. The most likely next major change in global climate is for us to enter a new glacial period, with things getting much colder for us all. It is not at all obvious that the current levels of CO2 in the atmosphere can do anything to prevent this from happening.

Abolition Man
November 6, 2021 11:21 am

No mention of the LIA; and, just as importantly, nothing about the PDO and how it affects the Aleutian Low and weather in Alaska!
Not only should the increase in CO2 be ascribed more to warming oceans since the depths of the LIA; but the melting of glaciers and Arctic sea ice is directly attributable to the PDO cycling into a ‘warm’ phase, causing the Aleutian Low to strengthen and pump more warm Northern Pacific water through the Bering Strait, and bring more warm weather to Alaska!
How can so many people claim to be knowledgeable while maintaining such high levels of ignorance!?
Mr. Halla states that innumeracy is a requirement for the cult members of Climastrology, but it seems that complete ignorance of history, and even current realities are mandatory as well! Only the adjusted data and the output of models may be used as holy writ! Anything prior to about 1850, or that hasn’t been blessed with immersion in the correcting algorithm, must be denied; it does NOT exist!

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Robert of Texas
November 6, 2021 11:22 am

When you become obsessively afraid of tigers, every noise you hear in the night is a tiger.

When you become obsessively afraid of anthropogenic climate change, everything you see is caused by anthropogenic climate change.

We live in an age of obsessive fears.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Robert of Texas
November 6, 2021 1:17 pm

Good way to put it.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Robert of Texas
November 6, 2021 2:55 pm

When you give a young child a hammer and don’t teach it’s use … everything he sees is a nail. The same has happened with warmunists and science.

.KcTaz
Reply to  Robert of Texas
November 6, 2021 3:05 pm

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
H. L. Mencken

Doonman
November 6, 2021 11:47 am

I’m really sad that all the glaciers in Glacier National Park are now gone. And why? Because of “Human Caused Climate Change”

This is common knowledge as told to you by national governments who spend your tax money to get you to worry about the future.

They call it education. I call it fear mongering.

Glacier-National-Park-Removes-Signs-2020.jpg
Robert Hanson
Reply to  Doonman
November 6, 2021 1:19 pm

And the really funny part is that, after saying the glaciers will be all gone by 2020, it didn’t happen, and they had to take that sign down and replace it:

“Glacier National Park recently confirmed the changes to CNN but is maintaining a defiant public face. Its signs will now say: “When they [the glaciers] will completely disappear depends on how and when we act. One thing is consistent: The glaciers in the park are shrinking.”

But in truth the new signs are no more accurate than the old ones. First, some of the glaciers have expanded, not shrunk, in the last decade.

Second, “how and when we act” will not make much difference to the world’s glaciers. They have been retreating since 1820 — long before the 20th-century explosion in man-made CO2 emissions. This strongly suggests that glacial retreat is the result of natural causes — the end of the Little Ice Age — rather than of so-called “anthropogenic global warming.”

rah
Reply to  Robert Hanson
November 6, 2021 1:26 pm

My understanding is that almost all of them didn’t exist during the MWP and they formed during the LIA!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Robert Hanson
November 6, 2021 2:59 pm

The reality is that high altitude temperate zone glaciers have been waxing and waning throughout the Holocene interglacial.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Rory Forbes
November 7, 2021 12:33 am

Oh come come, now!!! Are you suggesting that the Earth’s climate changes every now & then??? What a preposterous notion!!! Poppycock!!!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Alan the Brit
November 7, 2021 9:26 am

Well … I was throwing the idea out there for consideration. It could be possible, couldn’t it?

rah
November 6, 2021 12:55 pm
Tom Abbott
Reply to  rah
November 6, 2021 1:20 pm

It’s COP26. The climate change scaremongering articles are at unprecedented levels now. I see a dozen articles a day, claiming disaster is coming because of CO2. The hyperbole is over the top.

There’s still no evidence that CO2 is doing anything the alarmists claim it is doing. They are just making all the scare stories up.

Tom Abbott
November 6, 2021 1:13 pm

From the article: “The most rapid recession of some 140 to 160 meters per year occurred between 1939 (Photo Plate, 1939) and 1950,”

That would be because it was a very warm period during that time. As warm as today.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 6, 2021 8:07 pm

Warmer

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
November 7, 2021 12:36 am

I believe that even the turgid UNIPCC acknowledged that the Arctic was warmer during the 1940s that it is today!!!

Fred Middleton
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 11, 2021 2:12 am

Interesting. “most rapid recession”. Years 1939-1950 in most part WW2, World wide resource utilization, 24 hours a day. From A to Z, resources.

Thomas Gasloli
November 6, 2021 1:48 pm

The melting glaciers in the Alps and Andes have displayed a disturbing tendency to expose archeological sites, and yet the climate hysterics continue to tells us it is the hottest ever. So why would you expect any of them to tell the truth about Alaska glaciers or the “Little Ice Age” the fraud Mann deleted from history with his hockey stick?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
November 6, 2021 4:55 pm

Don’t you know that once you use the word ‘unprecedented‘ you win the debate. It’s their secret advantage … even more powerful than anthropogenic, robust or … wait for it …… consensus. It can disarm actual history!

Gunga Din
November 6, 2021 3:33 pm

Was it in Alaska where retreating glaciers old, dead tree stumps?
Trees don’t grow on glaciers.
It must have been warmer there in the past.

An honest question.
Where those tree stumps ever carbon dated?

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
November 6, 2021 3:55 pm

TYPO!
“Was it in Alaska where retreating glaciers old, dead tree stumps?”
Should be:
“Was it in Alaska where retreating glaciers REVEALED old, dead tree stumps?

Sage
November 6, 2021 6:12 pm

Rowlatt is about as knowledgeable as the IPCC. Remember AR4, WGII, Section 10.6.2 where it is stated that the Himalayan Glaciers will disappear by 2035, if not sooner?

“Glaciers in the Himalaya are receding faster than in any other part of the world and, if the present rate continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at the current rate.”
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/ar4_wg2_full_report.pdf

It has since been changed to say, “Many Himalayan glaciers are retreating,” by the Errata list of 15 April 2013.
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/05/Errata_AR4_wg2.pdf

It doesn't add up...
November 7, 2021 1:58 am

Worth pointing out that 8n the same news report Rowlatt was also pushing climate change as the reason for erosion at Shishmaref. Willis Eschenbach got there long before him and has the real reasons from back in 2013.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/02/the-sixth-first-climate-refugees/

Yooper
Reply to  It doesn't add up...
November 7, 2021 5:35 am

From Willis’s old post:
One of these fingerprints, which is alleged to be a sure and certain harbinger of the thermal end times, is the appearance of the long-awaited “First Climate Refugees”. The UN IPCC confidently forecast that there would be 50 million climate refugees by 2010 … we saw none. But before that there were supposed to be climate refugees from the coral atolls of Tuvalu … which turned out not to be sinking but instead expanding in area. So I guess they were the First Climate Refugees, and since it turned out there weren’t any climate refugees from Tuvalu, that makes the missing 50 million the Second First Climate Refugees.”

But as anyone in the US Gulf Coast will atest “they already here, all those refugees escaping the cold in Canada”….

2hotel9
November 7, 2021 5:30 am

Look to the past, it will guide you in the future. Greentards and leftards all hate that fact.

November 7, 2021 6:04 am

As a supposed journalist, you would have imagined he would have done a bit of research prior to talking about this glacier.

the first few links from an internet search for “portage glacier history” show lots of good information:

The first one being:

https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2006/3141/

Which states it have been retreating prior to the alleged onset of man made global warming!

edward
November 7, 2021 6:36 am

There is a heavy dose of post-modernism in current climate science … ahistorical, atheoretical … It’s all about what is perceived to be true in the present, with a disregard to obvious historical parallels and past event.

AZeeman
November 7, 2021 6:45 am

History is hard. According to NOAA, the great lakes temperatures were only recorded starting from 1995. Apparently, thermometers didn’t exist before then.
https://thumbwind.com/2021/11/06/great-lakes-water-temps/

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