Nuclear Power: Dangerous Hope to Soften CO2 Pricing

Reposted from MasterResource

By Robert Bradley Jr. — September 16, 2021

“Making nuclear safe is also why it is uneconomic. The US would not have had a nuclear industry if not for Price-Anderson and the rest of it from the federal government.” (Bradley, below)

“10 million deaths/year from the fossil fuel way of boiling water is criminally dangerous in the final degree.” (Canon Bryan, below)

Canon Bryan is CFO and a founding shareholder of Terrestrial Energy, based in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. Mr. Bryan and Terrestrial develop advanced commercial power plants. [1]

This exchange with a sophisticated nuclear proponent is illustrative of the current debate regarding the future of nuclear power (my thoughts here). I would note the following having engaged Mr. Bryan:

  1. We talk past each other at times because I am focused on the U.S. and he internationally where most new-design nuclear plants are being built. Bryan does not address the massive problems at the Summer and Vogtle nuclear busts–his argument appears to be all about new technology.
  2. On subsidies, Bryan relies on international statistics where fossil-fuel subsidies pertain mainly to the transportation (oil) side and not electricity generation.
  3. Bryan’s holy grail is experimental first-of-a-kind technology: “Generation IV advanced nuclear power plants that use its proprietary Integral Molten Salt Reactor (IMSR®) technology.” The company adds: “Terrestrial Energy is engaged with regulators and industrial partners to complete IMSR® engineering and to commission first IMSR® power plants in the late 2020s.”

Our exchange from several months ago follows:

Bradley: Nuclear is the most complicated, perilous way to boil water. Too many parts, too many residual issues. Gas-fired combined cycle: sooner, cheaper, flexible….

Canon Bryan: If you define “perilous” by the observable deaths per unit of energy throughout history, you are patently wrong. Natural gas = 4,000 deaths/TWh Nuclear = 90 deaths/TWh

Also, the goal of the energy system now is not simply to deliver energy, but to deliver energy without GHG emissions. NG is tremendously inferior to nuclear on its climate credentials, according to the IPCC. This too represents a form of peril. NG emissions = 480 grams CO2/kWh Nuclear emission = 12 grams CO2/kWh

Your argument about subsidies is truly laughable. According to IRENA, they conservatively (compared to other sources) estimate that fossil subsidies exceeded nuclear subsidies by a factor of 147 times in a given year, including externalities.

Here’s another source listing IMF estimates of fossil subsidies at far higher levels than even IRENA.

Bradley: “Perilous” means that it is so dangerous that a whole lot of safeguards and redundancy must be built-in for it to become safe. Making it safe, in other words, ruins the economics. And no private insurer would or will touch it as far as I know ….

Bryan: The article is about using existing capacity — so-called LTO (long-term operation) nuclear power plants — to make hydrogen. There are over 400 operating nuclear power plants in the world. They are all insured. Your point is irrelevant.

And no, perilous does not mean that. Perilous in the context of technology or infrastructure means how many deaths have been caused. Actuaries, who calculate risks for insurers, operate based on deterministic experience. The deterministic experience of NPPs shows one thing with zero ambiguity: NPPs have operated for 64 out of 65 years without causing harm to a single person or ecosystem. The exact opposite of perilous.

Bradley: That’s the Price Anderson Act in the U.S., and probably government this-or-that in other countries.

A new nuclear plant would not be able to get its own insurance, outside of special government favor. Will you admit that making nuclear safe significantly increases unit cost? That’s what I am getting at. The problem with nuclear is the next plant. Too expensive.

Bryan: A deceptively complex question.

1) New NPPs in the West are proving to be too CAPEX-intensive because they are First-Of-A-Kind or First-In-A-Generation. That is true of any new industrial development – not just nuclear. Making these the proxy for the entire industry amounts to fallacy of incomplete evidence. 49 of the 71 new plants commissioned since 2000 have been in China and Russia with an average CAPEX of sub-$3/Watt. That is competitive.

2) I do admit that making any industrial facility safe increases CAPEX. Unsafe facilities are cheap to build. To attempt to penalize nuclear safety rather than envy it is, frankly, perverse.

3) In my opinion, the safety regulations for civilian nuclear are far too strict. They could be rolled back by a factor of 1,000 and still be as safe as they are today, which is, namely, 1 incident in 65 years causing 32 deaths + up to 16,000 possible deaths, while avoiding 2.3 million deaths.

4) Advanced nuclear technologies are specifically designed to make use of passive safety, which dramatically reduces CAPEX. They are being developed today for 2020s deployment.

Bradley: Here are my answers in response to yours (thank you):

1) Nuclear is an old technology now. New experimental designs to try to achieve competitiveness after a half century of failure is risky and raises fundamental questions. And sub-$3/watt (a guess, a hope) is still not competitive. Natural gas CC is far less risky, proven, cheaper, and quicker to build.

2) I was just explaining nuclear’s inherently high costs. I am not saying build anything ‘unsafe’.

3 and 4) Related to #2: who knows? Only private insurance in a free market sans government can tell the world if such plants are safe.

And at the same time, how about getting guaranteed performance contracts as to cost and in-service and the rest of it from a deep-pocket third party? Not just the builder that can go bankrupt. Maybe Bill Gates can do something with his project–but taxpayers are already $80 million in the hole with him.

Bradley: We simply need a market test rather than external opinions and data about costs and benefits. A nuclear facility must gets its own insurance, not receive government subsidies, and be undergirded by long-term contracts and not utility ratebase. Natural gas/LNG is substantially cheaper where available, right?

Bryan: “half century of failure” If 2.3 million deaths avoided and over 75 Gigatonnes CO2 avoided since 1971 is considered a failure, I am proud to be a failure.

“Sub-$3/Watt” CAPEX is data-based, unlike any claim you have made in this discussion. And it is competitive on a life-cycle basis. NG CAPEX may be lower, but ~80% of life cycle cost for NG is OPEX. For nuclear it’s the reverse.

“Natural Gas CC is far less risky” Wrong. According to OSTI, from 1969 to 2000, NG plants have had 125 fatal accidents. Nuclear had 1. That’s not “far less risky”.

“Natural gas CC is…proven” [Wrong] The first civilian nuclear plant was commissioned in 1956. The first NG CC was commissioned in 1961. Being a younger technology does not somehow make it more proven.

I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but there’s this thing out there called climate change. It happens when NG CC plants spew out 480 grams/CO2/kWh – as compared to 12g for nuclear – heating up the environment too quickly and causing massive global risks. If they can build an emission-free NG plant for the same cost as a nuclear plant, then we can talk about NG.

Bradley: I would also compute the extra, unnecessary cost with the most expensive technology to generate electricity and ask: what would have been done with the hundreds of billions of dollars to make individuals and the world better.

Do you have an aggregate statistic of cost overruns for US nuclear alone, starting with Sumner and Vogtle working backwards? Economics matters, and wealth is health.

Bryan: Fallacy of Incomplete Evidence. Again.

Bradley: Real world costs are the best evidence. Not ‘might’ or ‘could’

Nuclear is radically noncompetitive, always needing government subsidies and awaiting a new, breakthrough technology. The most complicated, dangerous way of boiling water, after all.

Bryan: Why are you so addicted to proving publicly how ignorant you are? 32 deaths from one incident in 65 years is the opposite of dangerous. 10 million deaths/year from the fossil fuel way of boiling water is criminally dangerous in the final degree.

LCOE costs are competitive with NG in China and Russia. Not might or could. But actual LCOE. I have compiled the data myself. Fossil receives several orders of magnitude more subsidies than nuclear ever did.

As usual, you provide zero evidence for your completely false claims. And I have repeated myself over and over. I’m done here.

Bradley: Control your emotions, please.

Making nuclear safe is also why it is uneconomic. The US would not have had a nuclear industry if not for Price-Anderson and the rest of it from the federal government.

Government subsidies are required to even keep existing nuclear plants online. And tell us about Sumner and Vogtle–big hopes of the latest, greatest designs that went bust.

Your company claims to have the best Generation IV nuclear technology. So where have we heard this before? Why are you sure you have it this time?

Can you compete against gas-fired combined cycle? Can you compete without the US Department of Energy as funder? Without Price-Anderson insurance?

Do you have electricity buyers who want to commit up-front to your price (what) and your term (how many years)? And if your contractor goes bankrupt (like Westinghouse)?

Final Note

The latest news is a bailout for Exelon’s 2,500 MW Byron Nuclear Plant in Illinois to the tune of $600 mm, five-years in the name of “a 100 percent clean energy future.” Nuclear, itself wounded by wind and solar, is a pawn in the ‘clean energy’ game that leaves the market less free and more expensive for consumers and/or taxpayers.

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[1] Terrestrial Energy is a developer of Generation IV advanced nuclear power plants that use its proprietary Integral Molten Salt Reactor (IMSR®) technology. IMSR® technology represents true innovation in cost reduction, versatility and functionality of nuclear power plants.

IMSR® power plants will provide zero-carbon, reliable, dispatchable, cost-competitive electric power and high grade industrial heat for use in many industrial applications, such as chemical synthesis and desalination, and in so doing extend the application of nuclear energy far beyond electric power markets.

They have the potential to make important contributions to industrial competitiveness, energy security, and economic growth. Their deployment will support rapid global decarbonization of the primary energy system by displacing fossil fuel combustion across a broad spectrum.

Using an innovative design, and proven and demonstrated molten salt reactor technology, Terrestrial Energy is engaged with regulators and industrial partners to complete IMSR® engineering and to commission first IMSR® power plants in the late 2020s.

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September 18, 2021 6:18 am

“I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but there’s this thing out there called climate change. It happens when NG CC plants spew out 480 grams/CO2/kWh – as compared to 12g for nuclear – heating up the environment too quickly and causing massive global risks. If they can build an emission-free NG plant for the same cost as a nuclear plant, then we can talk about NG.”

Right there is the problem, Note the word “spew” CO2 is not a problem.

commieBob
September 18, 2021 6:25 am

Nuclear, itself wounded by wind and solar, …

That set off my bs meter. Nuclear is wounded by wind and solar only in the same way we are all wounded by wind and solar.

September 18, 2021 6:31 am

A major issue is an inability to actually decide on a design for a nuclear plant, without the anti-nuke lobby demanding yet another change. The vastly extended build times account for much of the cost.

Derg
September 18, 2021 6:47 am

MN in the USA has 2 nuclear power plants built in the 70s. Clean and reliable energy. MN won’t build another one instead they put up stupid windmills and even solar panels…dear G0d they cleared 40 acres of trees to put a solar “subsidy” farm in MN 😔

n.n
September 18, 2021 6:50 am

Hydrocarbon vs nuclear, a C02 crutch, and [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] climate change prophecy. Anything about ozone, acid rain, perhaps? Wind turbines and photovoltaic panels spread the Green blight and collect the greenbacks. Fight!

Oh, well. All’s fair in lust and abortion.

vboring
September 18, 2021 7:58 am

Before the NRC, nuclear plants in the US were cheaper to build than coal plants. And wildly cheaper to run.

In a coal plant, something is always broken. Nuclear plants are so simple you can put them underwater and let the military run them. There’s nothing to do.

After proving to be the safest, cleanest, and cheapest energy source, the NRC was created to fix the problem.

Now it takes 2000 people to fill out the paperwork to run each plant plus insane fees and fines for events that have no impact on safety in real life. No technology except nuclear has the ability to continue to succeed for decades under this much federal regulatory burden.

Coal plants burn dirt, nuclear plants run on regulations.

Ron Long
September 18, 2021 8:01 am

I wish to comment on the statement, by Bradley “…1 incident in 65 years causing 32 deaths + up to 16,000 additional deaths…”, is a reference to the Chernobyl disaster in Russia. There have been around 30 to 40 actual deaths reasonably attributable to the partial melt-down of the core, which occurred during a stupid test of: what happens if you reduce coolant, can you power the reactor with less fuel? The comment about possible 16,000 additional deaths is based on the linear-no threshold projection of small amounts of radiation passing over large population groups. However, radiation effects in living organisms have a threshold, below which they don’t do anything. Hundreds of cosmic rays are passing through your body every second. I note that now one (1) death is attributed to the Fukashima disaster, but that it is debatable. The Nuclear Energy industry has a safety track record better than any other energy generating scheme.

sailor76
September 18, 2021 8:20 am

OT – Marijn Poels documentary about Windfarms coming Sept 23:

HEADWIND | Marijn Poels

An alternative and reasonable voice coming out of Europe

September 18, 2021 8:39 am

 Here is the real problem.

The probability of being killed by a stroke of lightning is 1 x 10 E -8. and ~30 people (average) per year (last ten years) died from a lightning strike.

From the time of the first utility owned NPP, ten years before the TMI-II incident, to the incident there were ten Operating nuclear reactors. From 5 years before TMI-II there were over twenty Operating reactors. Yet over that 10-year period no one, other than those that died from heart attacks/Strokes from the stress created by the media hype, died as a result of the incident.
Do the Math. Over the time of the first NPP to the TMI incident is 150 operating years with no deaths or serious illnesses – just an occasional over excessive “regulatory” overexposure. PERIOD.  Proving that US NPPs were far safer, at least an order of magnitude safer and IMHO 10 times safer, than the existing and today’s NRC Design Basis Accident requirements. [ How many people died from a simple ride on an airplane going for a vacation during that same time period? And what is the death rate for air travel today?] Yet the NRC has continued to ratchet the plants into even stricter safety requirements on more system Increasing construction Costs and time. Decreasing the probability to the point of absurdity at costs that basically cause bankruptcy, and does not save any more lives. Ten time the regulations means ten to 100 times the expense and still only decreases lives saved from ZERO to ZERO Squared. 

If Aircraft had “Safety Regulations” as strict as NPPs they could not fly!

September 18, 2021 8:56 am

Bradley should should try thinking outside of a very small box. And have an open mind to nuclear technologies – to solutions other than the ones he’s peddling.

Dominick
September 18, 2021 8:57 am

Terrestrial Energy is a developer of Generation IV advanced nuclear power plants that use its proprietary Integral Molten Salt Reactor (IMSR®) technology

[the use of random email addresses gets you flagged as spam. stop it if you want your comments to go through-mod]

September 18, 2021 9:14 am

Bradley – your anti-nuclear fanaticism is of a flat-earth character.

Please explain how France, having 75% nuclear generation, did not bankrupt themselves building this. Curious how only in countries with fanatically antinuclear establishments that nuclear ☢️ is prohibitively expensive. Doesn’t that seem an odd coincidence?

Meanwhile France has the cheapest electricity in Europe and is making billions selling power to all their neighbours – especially Bradley-disciple U.K. How did that happen?

Tom
September 18, 2021 9:22 am

Nuclear power is certainly expensive, at least the way we have gone about it. However, it does have the redeeming quality of being very reliable. France has relied heavily on nuclear power for a long time, so it can be done.

September 18, 2021 9:27 am

“A 97% consensus confirms that wind turbine blades are a Satanic symbol whose rotation summons up dangerous evil spirits from deep in the earth.

It is thus a regulatory requirement that beside every wind turbine tower, a monastery is constructed to accommodate 12 full time monks and/or nuns. These spiritual practitioners will pray, chant and intercede 24/7 to prevent the ascent from the earth of evil spirits in response to the rotating turbine blade that represent an effective occultic symbol. The operation of this monastery must be continuous for as long as the wind turbine blade-runes rotate.”

The above would be a regulatory requirement for the wind industry that would put it on an even par with the nature and severity of the regulatory regime under which nuclear electricity generation has to operate. It would be a direct analog in every sense.

The LNT – the linear no threshold “theory” of ionizing radiation carcinogenesis is a religious dogma in direct contradiction of a vast body of scientific data, and is the narrative that underlies the punitively restrictive and expensive regulatory and waste disposal regime that nuclear is forced to operate under. LNT is false and nonsensical.

lmo
September 18, 2021 11:25 am

How many deaths from natural gas? OMG turn off the gas before you clean the oven!

September 18, 2021 1:01 pm

While I haven’t read all of the posts on this thread, it seems like the people are not aware that Nuscales SMR reactor design is now fully licensed by the NRC. The new-generation nuclear plants are here! Here is the website

Carbon Free Power Project | NuScale Power

I get sick of all the carbon-free crap. In my book, you have to be pretty ignorant not to understand that CO2 concentration has no impact on the earth’s surface temperature.

I almost forgot to mention that griff is dumber than a fence post.

Beta Blocker
September 18, 2021 1:08 pm

A History of Nuclear Construction’s Cost & Schedule Overruns in the 1970’s and 80’s

The long-term future of nuclear power in the United States depends upon successfully fielding the Small Modular Reactors (SMRs). Here in the US, the SMRs now represent the only hope we have for getting the end-to-end process of designing, constructing, and commissioning a nuclear power plant under complete and effective management control.

Thirty-five years ago, a raft of studies and reports were published which analyzed the cost growth problems and the severe quality assurance issues the nuclear construction industry was then experiencing. Those studies from the 1980’s had a number of common threads: 

— Lack of Nuclear Project Management Skills: In the 1970’s, the NRC had assumed that one power utility was much like another in its ability to manage a large nuclear construction project. In the mid 1970’s, the NRC ran its regulatory oversight activities assuming this was so. However, actual experience proved this assumption to be wrong. Some utilities were much better than others at managing their nuclear projects.

— Mismatch of Written Plans versus Field Implementation: As the 1970’s went forward, it became apparent the NRC had given construction licenses to power utilities which were not capable of doing an effective job of managing their nuclear projects. The written plans, the basis for granting an NRC construction license, were OK. The NRC would not have approved those plans had they not been OK. The problem was that many of the power utilities didn’t follow their written plans. They did a poor job of implementing their plans, they didn’t keep their in-field procedures and work practices up to date under a changing regulatory environment, and in some cases, they just ignored key parts of their written plans altogether.

— Complex, First of a Kind Projects: Any large project that is complicated, involves new and/or high technology, has several phases, involves a diversity of technical specialties, involves a number of organizational interfaces, and has significant cost and schedule pressures — any project which has these characteristics is a prime candidate for experiencing significant quality assurance issues, cost control issues, and schedule growth problems.

— Strength of the Industrial Base: Nuclear power requires competent expertise in every facet of design, construction, testing, and operations. This kind of competent expertise existed in the 1970’s and early 1980’s but was not being effectively utilized in many of the power reactor construction projects, the ones that experienced the most serious cost and schedule growth issues.

— A Changing Technical Environment: In the mid 1970’s and early 1980’s, the large reactor projects, the 1100 megawatt plants, were being built for the first time. They were being built without a prototype, and they were substantially different from previous designs. Those big plants had many new and significantly revised systems inside them, systems which had to be designed, constructed, tested, and subsequently operated.

— Lack of Design Maturity at the Start of Construction: Systems and components with safety implications often lacked sufficient design maturity at the start of construction. Changes in system and component designs often had cascading consequences for related systems. Project schedules did not carry sufficient time and cost to cover the work needed to address each and every system affected by a change in a performance requirement or in a component design.

— A Changing Regulatory Environment: In the late 1970’s and early 1980’s, there was a continual increase in the regulatory requirements being placed on power reactors. The Three Mile Island accident, the Brown’s Ferry fire, the Calvert Cliffs environmental decision, all of those events required the power utilities to change the way they were dealing with their projects in the middle of the game. Some power utilities were successful in making the necessary changes, others were not. Those projects with strong management teams were generally successful in the face of a changing regulatory environment, those with weak management teams generally failed.  

— Project Management Effectiveness: Those nuclear projects which had a strong management team and strong management control systems at all levels of the project organization generally succeeded in delivering their projects on cost and on schedule. Those that didn’t were generally incapable of dealing with the changing technical and regulatory environment and became paralyzed in the face of the many QA issues, work productivity issues, and cost control issues they were experiencing.  

— Issues with Matrix Management Systems: Every nuclear project which experienced significant cost and schedule growth problems in the 1970’s and early 1980’s was using a matrix management system at the start of construction. Every nuclear project which the NRC had to shut down because of quality assurance issues was using a matrix management system. Every nuclear construction project in the 1970’s and early 1980’s which started out with a matrix management system eventually dropped that system for a different form of project management.

— Overconfidence Based on Past Project Success: Many of the power utilities which had a record of past success in building non-nuclear projects, and which were constructing nuclear plants for the first time, did not recognize that nuclear is different. These included utilities which did not take their regulatory commitments seriously and which did not do an adequate job of assessing whether or not the management systems and the project methods they had been using successfully in past years were up to the task of managing a nuclear project.      

— Reliance on Contractor Expertise: The projects which succeeded had substantial nuclear expertise inside the power utility’s own shop. Those utilities which were successful in building nuclear plants were knowledgeable customers for the nuclear construction services they were buying. They paid close and constant attention to the work that was being done on the construction site, in the subcontractor fabrication shops, and in the contractor’s technical support organization. Emerging issues and problems were quickly and proactively identified, and quick action was taken to resolve those problems.  

— Management Control Systems: The nuclear projects which failed did not have effective management control systems for contractor and subcontractor design interface control; for configuration control and management of design documentation and associated systems and components; and for proper and up-to-date maintenance of contractor and inter-contractor cost and schedule progress information. Inadequate management control systems prevented an accurate assessment of where the projects actually stood, and in many cases were themselves an important factor in producing substandard technical work.   

— Cost & Schedule Control Systems: For those projects which lacked a properly robust cost & schedule control system, many activities listed on their project schedules were seriously mis-estimated for time, cost, scope, and complexity. Other project activities covering significant portions of the total work scope were missing altogether, making it impossible to accurately assess where the project’s cost and schedule performance currently stood, and where it was headed in the future.

— Issues with Quality Assurance: For those nuclear projects which lacked the necessary management commitment to meeting the NRC’s quality assurance expectations, the added cost of meeting new and existing regulatory requirements was multiplied several times over as QA deficiencies were discovered and as significant rework of safety-critical systems and components became necessary. Unnecessary rework caused by not doing the job right the first time around resulted in the same component or system being bought twice, sometimes even three times, before it was QA acceptable.

— Construction Productivity & Progress: For those nuclear projects which lacked a strong management team; and which lacked effective project control systems and a strong management commitment to a ‘do-it-right the first time’ QA philosophy, the combined impacts of these deficiencies had severe impacts on worker productivity at the plant site, on supplier quality and productivity at offsite vendor facilities, and on the overall forward progress of the entire project taken as a whole.

— Project Financing and Completion Schedule: As a result of these emerging QA and site productivity problems, many of the power utilities were forced to extend their construction schedules and to revise their cost estimates upward. Finding the additional money and the necessary project resources to complete these projects proved extremely difficult in the face of competition from other corporate spending priorities and from other revenue consuming activities.

— A Change in Strategy by the Anti-nuclear Activists: In the mid 1970’s, the anti-nuclear activists were focusing their arguments on basic issues of nuclear safety. They got nowhere with those arguments. Then in the late 1970’s, they changed their strategic focus and began challenging the nuclear projects on the basis of quality assurance issues, i.e., that many nuclear construction projects were not living up to the quality assurance commitments they had made to the public in their NRC license applications.

— Job Site Whistleblowers: In the late 1970’s and early 1980’s, whistleblowers on the job whose valid concerns were not being addressed by the project’s managers would go outside the projects to the anti-nuclear activists. Those activists included knowlegeable technical people who could evaluate the validity of the whistleblower’s concerns. Then, in the last phases of construction, when the power utilities were going for an NRC operating license, the activists would challenge the quality of the plant’s construction in the NRC’s license hearings.

— Lack of Regulatory Oversight Effectiveness: In the 1970’S and early 1980’s, the NRC was slow to react to emerging problems in the nuclear construction industry. In that period, the NRC was focusing its oversight efforts on the very last phases of the construction process when the plants were going for their operating licenses. Relatively little time and effort was being devoted to the earlier phases of these projects, when emerging QA problems and deficiencies were most easily identified and fixed. Quality assurance deficiencies which had been present for years were left unaddressed until the very last phases of the project, and so were much more difficult, time consuming, and expensive to resolve.

— Lack of Early NRC Presence at Construction Sites: Because relatively little onsite time and effort was being devoted by the NRC to the earlier phases of these nuclear construction projects, the project managers became complacent through lack of hearing from the NRC. No news from the NRC was thought to be good news. Then, in the last stages of construction when the plants were going for their operating licenses, and when the anti-nuclear activists were contesting the quality of the plant’s construction in the NRC’s license hearings, the plant’s oweners were left to ask the question, why didn’t the NRC raise the issue of substandard QA practices earlier in the project, when these issues were most easily addressed?

— Lack of NRC Boldness & Risk Taking: Proactive NRC intervention in an ongoing nuclear construction project often requires that the NRC staff question the capability of the project’s managers. This is not easily done. If the staff is wrong in their evaluation, their reputations are severely damaged. On the other hand, if the NRC staff is right, then problems and issues which might have occurred don’t occur. 

— Working Relationships with Regulators: The successful nuclear projects from the 1970’s and 1980’s, the ones that stayed on cost and on schedule, did not view the NRC as an adversary. The successful projects viewed the NRC as a partner and a technical resource in determining how best to keep their project on track in the face of an increasingly more complex and demanding project environment. On the other hand, for those projects which had significant deficiencies in their QA programs, for those that did not take their QA commitments seriously, the anti-nuclear activists introduced those deficiencies into the NRC licensing process and were often successful in delaying and sometimes killing a poorly managed project.

REMARKS:

The changing regulatory and technical environment of the 1970’s and early 1980’s did in fact increase nuclear power’s costs over and above what was expected to be the norm in the early 1970’s cost estimates. Nuclear construction projects with strong management teams and effective project management systems paid for those changes only once. Projects which were poorly managed paid for those changes multiple times over.

If mandated changes to work practices and to nuclear technology are included as necessary activities in the baseline cost estimates, those nuclear projects which had a strong management team and strong management control systems at all levels of the project organization generally succeeded in delivering their projects on cost and on schedule. Those projects that didn’t have strong management teams were generally incapable of dealing with the changing technical and regulatory environment and became paralyzed in the face of the many QA issues, work productivity issues, and cost control issues they were experiencing.  

By the end of the 1980’s, most of nuclear’s project management issues had been resolved and the nuclear construction industry was well-positioned to move forward, if new orders had been forthcoming. But it was not to be. Stiff competition from natural gas beginning in the early 1990’s put an end to any prospects for new nuclear construction for another twenty years. 

In any case, the burdens of maintaining strong regulatory oversight over the nuclear power industry are not going away. Not now, not ever. But what is just as true today as it was in the 1970’s and 1980’s is this: the project management discipline needed to deliver nuclear-grade quality assurance is the same project management discipline needed to deliver all of the other key parts of any large-scale high technology construction project.  

Moreover, in comparison with the 1970’s, the regulatory environment for nuclear power in the United States has stabilized. Here in the 2020’s, the burden of complying with the NRC’s regulations is a known commodity. And so the managers of any new-build nuclear power plant know from the very beginning what is expected of them in the area of nuclear regulatory compliance. They have no excuses for not taking the full cost of these burdens into account when developing their project’s cost and schedule estimates.

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Disclosure: I’ve spent thirty-five years in nuclear construction and operations. The bulk of my occupational radiation exposure has come from beta-gamma sources. Hence my internet handle is Beta Blocker.

robert of Texas
September 18, 2021 1:21 pm

If given a choice of Wind Power, Solar Power, or Nuclear Power I am steady in the nuclear power camp. Unless coal makes a comeback, there simply will not be enough gas being produced to supply all the growing economies over the next 30 years.

Wind is expensive and dangerous – it is intermittent and will require huge battery farms to even out the power production, and both of those are dangerous attributes.

Solar is even worse. Except where cities have sprung up in empty deserts near the equator where there is seldom any clouds, it doesn’t even make sense. If you have enough barren desert around you can build terribly expensive battery farms with some degree of safety.

Nuclear needs investment to test new designs out. It might take 20 years to achieve a really safe standard design but once you have one that burns just about any radioactive material, you have a design for all the power you will need for the next 500 to 1000 years. (This is assuming thorium becomes a fuel component). The lack of investment by the U.S. is going to hurt us in the long run, we will end up buying the designs of China or India (in 20 to 30 years). Canada is unlikely to be competitive due to the lack of scale and investment as well.

Think I am wrong? Try remembering China from 20 to 30 years ago – look at the progress in technology they have made. With a communist government they can make commitments no free country could live with…build at any cost and let some fail so that lessons can be learned from them. Of course, they can also just continue to burn their own vast supplies of really dirty coal (lignite). After all, it just kills people.

Kit P
September 18, 2021 4:37 pm

Producing electricity electricity with coal, natural gas, or nuclear is cheap, safe, and without significant environmental impact.

Those are the facts based on my observations working in the power industry.

In other words, there is not a problem. This makes for a rather boring argument.

What you pay for electricity is a different matter. If you live some place like California there is a lot of income redistribution going on.

The mix of power depends on how much coal and natural gas you where you need it. If you have no coal or gas, nuclear is cheaper.

Laws of Nature
September 18, 2021 7:19 pm

“Nuclear is the most complicated, perilous way to boil water”
Seems wrong! You got it running it boils by itself, no moving parts, beside a regulator, moving a few mm per day.
It gets complicated if you built a high efficient GW facility using 500-°C steam, but that is true for any other tehcnoligy

Breck Henderson
September 18, 2021 8:06 pm

I’m a retired Public Affairs Officer and reactor inspector with the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, so I know nuclear power very well. Mr. Bradley: Sorry but you’re mostly wrong. Nuclear power is completely safe, from the point of view of hazard to the general public. But building them involves extraordinary fiscal hazard. You never know when a Federal Judge will step in and rule that it doesn’t meet environmental regulations and put a halt to your project, with millions lost in interest and defaults. That’s the risk that prevents utility executives from building them, and a big part of what makes them so expensive. The designs already in use are extremely safe — the supposed hazards have been grossly exaggerated by anti-nuclear crazies and their media enablers. The new designs are even safer and ought to be pursued aggressively. They probably won’t be built in the U.S. first because the NRC isn’t capable of evaluating them. By the time NRC engineers learn enough to make a judgement they can already be generating power in other countries and have real experience to draw on. The whole nuclear power issue has been polluted by anti-nuclear fear mongering, to the point that no one seems to be able to make rational judgements.

2hotel9
September 19, 2021 3:42 am

This,”according to the IPCC” pretty much ended it for me. Any legitimate business basing itself on IPCC spew is inherently flawed, then calling CO2 pollution closed it out.

Robert W Turner
September 19, 2021 6:13 am

I can’t believe someone so ignorant and gullible is running a public company. JK! Totally believable.

September 19, 2021 6:27 am

This Bradley guy makes Michael Mann look like a gentleman. My only question (aside from why WUWT publishes this stuff) is why isn’t he working for the Sierra Club or Greenpeace. He parrots all of their talking points.

RonPE
September 19, 2021 8:21 am

I reside about 30 miles East of the noted Byron Nuclear Plant.

Both 1,150MW units were shut down on September 1 to await the passage and signing of the subsidy IL legislation. ‘Hostage-taking’? I note that off-peak real-time electricity prices have increased during this warm September.

As of this Sunday 9/19/2021 morning, the moisture plumes are still not visible from the plant’s hyperbolic towers. Perhaps Exelon is using this shut down to refuel and/or do other maintenance which would have been done in October anyway.

https://www.eia.gov/nuclear/state/Illinois/pdf/illinois.pdf