Beijing demands US fulfill wish list of demands in exchange for cooperation on climate change

From The GWPF

Date: 02/09/21 The Epoch Times

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi gave U.S. climate envoy John Kerry a set of instructions that the United States should follow if the Biden administration seeks Beijing’s cooperation on climate change.

U.S. Special Presidential Envoy for Climate John Kerry is seen on a screen with Chinese State Councillor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi during a meeting via video link on Sept. 1, 2021. (U.S. Department of State/Handout via Reuters)

Kerry is currently on the second leg of his Asia trip for negotiations on climate action. He first traveled to Japan before arriving in the Chinese port city of Tianjin on Aug. 31 for a three-day visit. He is scheduled to meet with Xie Zhenhua, China’s special envoy for climate change affairs.

On Sept. 1, Kerry and Wang held a virtual meeting to discuss bilateral cooperation on climate change. During the talks, Wang mixed in the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP’s) wider political concerns, and warned Kerry that “China-U.S. climate cooperation cannot be separated from the wider environment of the Sino-U.S. relations,” according to a statement from China’s foreign ministry.

Wang blamed the United States for deteriorating Sino-U.S. relations in recent years and urged America to “stop seeing China as a threat and rival.”

As for how to improve bilateral relations, Wang demanded that Kerry “pay attention to and pro-actively respond to China’s ‘two lists’ and ‘three bottom lines.’”

Wang was referring to the lists and three demands that Beijing handed to U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman in late July when she visited Tianjin. One of the lists asked the United States to correct its “wrongdoings,” including revoking its sanctions on CCP officials, which were announced by the United States in response to widely reported human rights abuses.

Among its demands, the CCP requires the United States not to “infringe” upon China’s “sovereignty” in the troubled regions of Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong. Many Western governments, including the United States, have called out the CCP for its human rights violations in these three regions, particularly over the detention of more than 1 million Uyghurs in Xinjiang.

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Quilter 52
September 3, 2021 10:18 pm

Kerry could fold himself in half kowtowing to the Chinese over this. However they will do precisely what they want to do when they want to do it. It’s only democracies that are stupid enough to damage their own economy and much worse, to damage their own ciitizens.

Bryan A
Reply to  Quilter 52
September 3, 2021 10:58 pm

What he should have done is break out in a fit of laughter, drop his pants, wipe his backside with the paper and give it back…then leave
But NOOO he would much rather bend over forward and allow China to have it’s way

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Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Bryan A
September 4, 2021 12:38 am

You’d fit in perfectly as a US diplomat.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 7:12 am

Fascinating how the troll assumes that only US diplomats are like that.

george1st:)
Reply to  Quilter 52
September 4, 2021 7:44 pm

Democracies or dumbocracy ?

Bryan A
Reply to  george1st:)
September 5, 2021 8:07 am

Idiocracy

n.n
September 3, 2021 10:24 pm

Take a knee, beg, good boy, girl, whatever. How very talibanesque.

September 3, 2021 10:48 pm

Humiliation is heaped upon Humiliation.

Alexy Scherbakoff
September 3, 2021 11:27 pm

US foreign policy has sucked for years, sorry, decades. The people they use for foreign policy discussions don’t have a clue. US foreign policy is based on ‘we are right no matter what we do or say’ and the rest of the world are idiots.
There is a reason many Australians refer to US people as ‘seppos’. Look it up on your favourite search engine.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 12:53 am

Seppos is just rhyming slang, not a slur. Septic tank = Yank.

I believe it was coined by diggers, who are a notoriously irreverent and ribald lot.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 4, 2021 1:01 am

I suppose there was no real reason for rhyming with septic tank. I guess you think it was a form of affection. The way it is used here(in Australia) is hardly a form of affection.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 5:59 am

Going on the example, we’ll refer to you as Jack. I wonder if a retard like you can figure it out. But it’s not affection mate.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 4, 2021 10:44 pm

Sorry. Don’t get the ‘Jack’ bit. I couldn’t be bothered trying to work it. You must be one of those people that uses a foreign swear word at someone because you are too gutless to say anything else. I did get the reference to retard, though. You are probably the only one who will refer to me as ‘Jack’, whatever that means.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 7:13 am

You must be one of those people that uses a foreign swear word at someone because you are too gutless to say anything else

Irony is lost on socialists.

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Rich Davis
Reply to  MarkW
September 5, 2021 12:14 pm

I think he’s a master debater our Jack.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 11:57 am

Yeah I figured you’d be that stupid. You’re the idiot who brought up rhyming slang, but can’t figure out how it applies to you.

How much is Putin paying trolls these days, Jack?

StephenP
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 4, 2021 2:09 am

Similar to Australians calling UK people Poms. Those with a penchant for rhyming slang called immigrants Jimmy Grants. …which mutated to pomagranate .
As a nation the Australians rarely use polysyllables when one will do and so pom became the pejorative name for a newly-arrived British immigrant

Reply to  StephenP
September 4, 2021 2:40 am

I always thought Pome meant ‘prisoner of Mother England’.

H B
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
September 4, 2021 1:36 pm

you are correct Prisoner Of Her Majesty is the original POHM

griff
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 1:15 am

US foreign policy is based on ‘we are right no matter what we do or say’ and the rest of the world are idiots.

And that’s how the rest of the world has viewed it for 75 years. The difference now is the US is no longer a super power, no longer a leading tech innovator and is declining domestically.

Sad to see it …

Redge
Reply to  griff
September 4, 2021 1:33 am

And that’s how the rest of the world has viewed it for 75 years. The difference now is the US is no longer a super power, no longer a leading tech innovator and is declining domestically.

Interesting you should say that, Griff mate.

Correct me if I am wrong but hasn’t the post-war USA government been dominated by Democrats?

23 Democrat
8 Republican
7 Divided

saveenergy
Reply to  griff
September 4, 2021 2:00 am

“US foreign policy is based on ‘we are right no matter what we do or say’ and the rest of the world are idiots.
And that’s how the rest of the world has viewed it for 75 years. The difference now is the US is no longer a super power, no longer a leading tech innovator and is declining domestically.”

Never thought the day would come … but I have to agree with griff …

only on that statement !

Joao Martins
Reply to  griff
September 4, 2021 2:46 am

“the US is no longer a super power”

Must change your glasses, griff… It is because the USA are so weak that the EU and the rest of the world, when needing, humbly beg them to use their military might…

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Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Joao Martins
September 4, 2021 4:47 am

To do what?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 6:08 am

Back off Jack

Lrp
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 10:55 am

Just check out Panjshir Valley

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Lrp
September 4, 2021 10:49 pm

Just checked. What’s your point. Who asked the US to do something.

Joao Martins
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 1:49 pm

Did not argue about objectives, please don’t call for a strawman!

I stated a simple and easily confirmed FACT.

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Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Joao Martins
September 4, 2021 10:47 pm

I wasn’t arguing. I just asked a question. What strawman?

Joao Martins
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 2:43 am

“What strawman?”

Your question.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Joao Martins
September 5, 2021 2:45 am

A question is not a strawman.
It’s referred to as a strawman argument where you set up another topic and then argue that. I wasn’t arguing anything.

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Joao Martins
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 12:43 pm

Sorry. patience exhausted, I refuse to change the subject and discuss the sex of straw…people.

MarkW
Reply to  Joao Martins
September 5, 2021 7:14 am

It can be when it is used to change the subject.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Joao Martins
September 4, 2021 4:47 am

No, griff’s right, for once. The USA is still the only hyperpower.

Laertes
Reply to  griff
September 4, 2021 3:39 am

And it’s because people like Griff, who sabotaged US intentionally.

Politics of leftist people:

  • prop up China by heavy investments in their industries, including helping them build factories and their internet blockade (Google, Apple, all woke companies)
  • sow maxmum domestic division by promoting rioting groups like Black Lives Matter (which called themselves Marxists, and confirmed their straightforward communist ideology by their support for the Cuban regime)
  • humiliate American military on world stage by Biden’s botched withdrawal from Afghanistan (to the point communist China openly threatens Taiwan with invasion afterwards and USA with war if they intervene)
  • destroy western economies by subjecting them to climate change restrictions while all the heavy industry in the biggest communist country, China, is left alone (which is why they moved it there in the first place)
  • designate their own citizens as enemies of the state, which is what the Biden administration is doing openly (white supremacy the biggest threat, patriotism being terrorist indicator)

You worked for decades to achieve this. Now you communists brag about your victory.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Laertes
September 4, 2021 6:15 am

Biden is a puppet scum, but he won’t manage to destroy us. Jack and griff’s hopes and dreams will be dashed soon enough.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 4, 2021 10:31 am

Like most socialists, griff and Alexy define right and wrong by whatever the party is demanding at present.
Therefore anyone who opposes the international socialists is always wrong.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MarkW
September 4, 2021 10:36 pm

‘Murica. Rah Rah Rah.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 7:14 am

It really is sad how socialists end up defining themselves by what they hate.

Lrp
Reply to  griff
September 4, 2021 10:46 am

That’s the way! Never be ashamed to show you true, Marxist, colours. I could show you in so many ways and examples why you are wrong but it would be wasted on someone as stupid as you are.

Alba
Reply to  griff
September 4, 2021 2:09 pm

I do not know what your definition of superpower is but when I studied International Politics at University in the 1960s the definition in use then was ‘a country which has the military capacity to completely destroy any other country’. By that definition the USA is still a superpower. The term superpower was coined to reflect the nuclear capacity of the USA and the USSR and to differentiate that from the military capacity of what used to be called Great Powers. Thus the UK and France were once referred to as Great Powers but they were definitely not superpowers.

mcswelll
Reply to  Alba
September 4, 2021 3:57 pm

By that definition I suspect–but don’t know–that Israel and Pakistan are both superpowers, because both (probably) have nukes enough to take out, let’s say, Syria or Israel.

MarkW
Reply to  mcswelll
September 5, 2021 7:15 am

They are regional super powers.

LdB
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 4:02 am

If the US isn’t a superpower what does that make the UK and Germany … minnow nations?

Ron Long
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 3:21 am

Alexy, if you had any interest in honesty, and were intelligent enough to know the truth, you would have said that US foreign policy bounces back-and-forth between Democrat and Republican administrations. Ex-President Trump just organized “the strongest economy the world has ever known” (nicely reflected in my investment account) and was driven from office by a lying combination of Socialists and Marxists and their media enablers. Kerry will kowtow to the Chinese, because he is of that sort and the Chinese have the goods on the Biden family, mostly through their access to Hunter. Australia? Remind me again how many Australians walked on the moon?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Ron Long
September 4, 2021 4:01 am

Interestingly enough I am interested in honesty and feel that I am intelligent enough to know the truth. I also don’t denigrate total strangers that I know nothing about, but I will make an exception in your case.
 You are obviously one of those people referred to as a seppo. You are so full of your US zeal that you think an Australian gives a f@ck about US politics and how much money you made.
I am also aware that the US were the first to put people on the moon. Probably wouldn’t have been possible without the assistance of Australian communication.
I couldn’t care less about your idiot politicians, I have enough to deal with the idiot politicians here.

Ron Long
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 5:42 am

Alexy, I flew backseat with Australian pilots in OV-10 Broncos during 1969 in VietNam. There was a contingent of these Australian pilots at DiAn, where I was an Air Traffic Controller. These Australian pilots were accomplished pilots and very aggressive, and not too worried about the Rules of Engagement. So, I am personally sorry to see the sorry state of affairs that Australia has degraded into, as represented by your comment about the importance of Australian communications making the moon landing possible.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Ron Long
September 4, 2021 7:47 am

“So, I am personally sorry to see the sorry state of affairs that Australia has degraded into”

Keep in mind that the Australian school system has been systematically undermined by Leftwing ideology for decades, just like what has happened in the United States and the rest of the Western Democratic nations.

We are now dealing with a lot of younger people who don’t have a clue about the real world. Instead, they live a socialist lie. Their life has been too easy, and they have time and an inclination to indulge in political conspiracy theories. And they bite the hand that feeds them.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 4, 2021 10:52 pm

I agree with you.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 10:33 am

Alexy is so unconcerned about the US, that he spends all day, everyday ranting and raving about how the US doesn’t agree with the international socialists and is therefore evil.
He must be right because all of his socialist buddies agree with him.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MarkW
September 4, 2021 10:32 pm

I don’t spend all day and every day ranting about the US. I have better things to do. I don’t have ‘buddies’ socialist or otherwise.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 7:16 am

As to what you spend all day doing, the evidence disagrees with your claims.
So you admit that nobody likes you?

John Endicott
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 7, 2021 5:55 am

Alexy says: “I don’t have ‘buddies’ ”

You know, I’m inclined to believe you. No room for buddies in your mother’s basement.

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Lrp
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 10:59 am

Alexy, you don’t speak for other Australians, you speak for yourself, from seemingly a narrow jaundiced ethnic perspective.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Lrp
September 4, 2021 10:21 pm

Not sure what ethnicity has to do with things. Of course, I am expressing my own opinion. It’s based on a long life of observations.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 7:17 am

Observations, as filtered through a far left lens of hatred.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 10:28 am

Socialists really do get their panties in a wad when the US fails to live down the socialists expectations.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MarkW
September 4, 2021 10:18 pm

You are using English words but they don’t seem to come together very well.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 7:17 am

Sorry you can’t understand non-socialist English.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 10:48 am

You Australians really have no room to be pointing fingers at the US ON ANY BASIS. You’ve completely lost the plot over there. Socialism does not work … yet you’re trying to breath life into it once more.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 4, 2021 10:19 pm

One of the few joys I have in life is baiting superior yanks.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 4, 2021 10:47 pm

Right, that sure makes sense. You seem to have impressed two people here … Griff and yourself. No joy for you it appears. Maybe you should change your bait. You people always were your own best audience.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 5, 2021 12:54 am

The thing is that Griff is honest in his opinions and also doesn’t stoop to low insults that many here are prone to do. I probably disagree with Griff 99% of the time. He is exasperating at times and I roll my eyes when reading his comments. I disagree but don’t feel the need to insult .
He is a saint and doesn’t respond in kind to slurs. I respect that.
On the other hand, I am not a saint and if someone insults me directly(and I feel, unfairly) I will try my best to cut them a new @rsehole. I also move on from that moment and am quite happy to have a reasonable discussion afterwards without holding some long term resentment that carries through various threads.
I am what is known as an adult.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 5:32 am

“The thing is that Griff is honest in his opinions and also doesn’t stoop to low insults that many here are prone to do.”

Griff may be honest in his own opinions, I can’t read his mind, so can’t say for sure, but Griff will definitely stoop to low insults against those who don’t agree with his views. Doctor Crockford comes immediately to mind. Griff was insulting her and calling her dishonest just the other day.

Griff is not as pure as the driven snow.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 5, 2021 7:20 am

I suspect the vast majority of people who post here are being honest with their opinions. However that only matters when those opinions coincide with Alexy’s.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 5, 2021 12:29 pm

Well, if you imagine a sewage treatment plant with a vertical pipe and a hole leaking about 3m up, then add a high gale at about -40c…

The driven frozen brown stuff coming at you is as pure as griff.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 7:19 am

Being honest in your opinions is all that matters. Who cares if what you believe has any connection to reality. No wonder you and griff get along so well.

I do find it fascinating that your idealization of being honest in ones opinions stops, when those opinions differ from yours.
How socialist of you.

As to not stooping to slurs, I guess you aren’t as honest with yourself as you want to believe.

Rich Davis
Reply to  MarkW
September 5, 2021 12:38 pm

Tut tut, Mark. You don’t take offense at being referred to as a septic tank surely? Seems rather sensitive of you, snowflake 😉
Especially since Alexy was so brutally provoked.

Alexy doesn’t stoop to slurs, so that has to be perfectly polite discourse.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 10:17 am

You don’t need to rationalize your behavior or your choice of pals to me. I don’t care. Some of the worst liars I’ve known defend their opinions and eventually come to believe them, too … eventually. Just look at sniffy Joe Biden. He can’t tell lies from truth any more. Griff is no different. It’s clear you believe yours as well.

You have already explained how joyless your life is, except for “baiting (trolling) superior yanks”, of course. It must be reassuring to be a self effacing ‘inferior’ Aussie. Perhaps if you had some “buddies” you’d have more joy and wouldn’t need to be so self righteously defensive.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 12:43 pm

You don’t even have the decency not to embarrass the country that accepted your sorry ass. Oz is a great country. Great enough to overcome you being in it even.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2021 7:17 am

At least you admit we are superior to you. That’s a small improvement.

DHR
September 4, 2021 12:08 am

The only questions now are which if not all of the “demands” that Kerry and Biden will give in to and how much money will Biden demand in return.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  DHR
September 4, 2021 8:01 am

I think Joe gets 10 percent as his part of the payoff. That’s what his son, Hunter, was supposely paying him, anyway.

I don’t see how Biden can give into the Chicom demands, even if he wanted to do so. The Right would have a field day, if Biden caved to the Chicoms.

I can see the Chicoms using the U.S. refusal to meet their demands as being the cause for the Chicoms not to reduce their CO2 emmissions.

The United States is in great danger because we have an unqualified person leading our nation. That also means the Allies of the United States are in great danger, for the same reason.

The sane people of the United States need to find a way to derail the Joe Biden agenda. The period of greatest danger is from now until January 2023. During this time, Republicans are going to have a hard time stopping Biden’s agenda, although there is a possibility that a Senate Democrat or two may throw a monkey wrench into Biden’s porkbarrel spending bills.

I believe the Republicans will at least take control of the House of Representatives in January 2023, so if that is the case, then the Republicans will be able to blunt most of Biden’s agenda after that. He will be reduced to issuing Executive Orders, as none of his agenda will pass muster with a Republican Congress.

I don’t think Biden has a chance in hell of being re-elected as president, and Kamala will not fair any better.

I would bet money the next president will be a Republican.

Richard Page
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 4, 2021 9:29 am

I don’t think Biden has a chance in hell of finishing his term in office. Harris will most definitely replace him if only so the Democrats can say they had the first female black president as a selling point for future elections. If it looks like a big Republican win at the midterms, Harris might replace him sooner rather than later to try to get something done – she’ll know the writing is on the wall at that point. The question is, can the states sort out the election system before the midterms?

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Richard Page
September 4, 2021 10:22 am

Harris has horrible unfavorability poll numbers, without her doing much of anything. Imagine if she had to actually appear to do something, anything at all. Holding a POTUS news conference would be a real howler. As the lead person on the immigration disaster: “You haven’t even gone to the border” “I haven’t gone to Europe either”. Actual quotes from a Harris media interview.

Harris is Joe’s poison pill safety net. No one will even dream of impeaching him, not even Cocaine Mitch, because on one in their right mind can imagine Harris with the nuclear codes. Not to mention the cackling laugh.

Richard Page
Reply to  Robert Hanson
September 4, 2021 12:13 pm

True but that’s only if Biden is physically capable of lasting until the end of this term.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
September 4, 2021 3:14 pm

They were able to hid Joe’s obvious mental deficiencies for the entire campaign.
If he should disappear from public view for an extended period of time, there’s a good chance he would have joined ranks of the metabolically challenged.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Richard Page
September 5, 2021 5:42 am

Harris was so unpopular during the run up to the presidential elections in 2020, that she dropped out before the first vote to nominate a new Democrat president because she was only getting about two percent of the vote in her home State of California.

Kamala would be a similiar disaster to Joe Biden if she took over, but hopefully, by that time the Republicans will have regained control of at least one House of Congress, where she can be prevented from doing too much more damage before the 2024 presidential election.

I can’t see anything Harris could do as president that would help her favorability ratings. Just the opposite, the more she appears in public and the more people hear what she has to say, the less they like her. Her own staff is in turmoil because of her.

The only thing Kamala has going for her is she is a minority and she is a female.

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Walter Pate
September 4, 2021 12:29 am

Read the “Hundred Year Marathon”

September 4, 2021 12:46 am

I wonder if ceding full sovereignty of the Moon and Mars is on the list?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
September 4, 2021 12:56 am

Nah, the CCP had already assumed sovrenity of the whole solar system. It’s only all the other countries on Earth that are labouring under the misapprehension of their own sovrenity.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 4, 2021 8:06 am

Zig has it correct. The Chicoms already assume they are entitled to own everything in the Solar System. It’s their manifest destiny, they think. And they want the rest of us to think that way, too.

Redge
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
September 4, 2021 1:37 am

Interestingly, in 1963 an international law was passed stating no one nation is can claim ownership of outer space or any celestial body

Richard Page
Reply to  Redge
September 4, 2021 2:45 am

Which works while nobody is out there. As soon as some nation puts people on one of those celestial bodies, that law will get rapidly superseded by ‘possession being 9/10ths of the law’ and ‘might makes right’.

LdB
Reply to  Richard Page
September 6, 2021 4:08 am

Yep and that is basically how it will work same as the act of colonization in history.

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RexAlan
Reply to  Redge
September 4, 2021 3:03 am

Taking notice of international law is not the CCP’s strong point. Hence the militarized artificial islands in the South China Sea.

RexAlan
Reply to  RexAlan
September 4, 2021 3:08 am

Which were built on coral reefs. Just imagine the outcry if any western democracy had done the same thing.

MarkW
Reply to  Redge
September 4, 2021 10:35 am

Since when has the CCP cared about any international law or treaty?

LdB
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2021 4:10 am

I strongly doubt any nation that is the first to colonize a remote planet won’t view it as theirs.

LdB
Reply to  Redge
September 6, 2021 4:08 am

Yeah and what nations are willing to go there and fight to make that law work 🙂
It’s like many stupid UN laws totally misguided in some sort equality speak.

You know the saying “Might is Right” don’t make laws you aren’t prepared to enforce down the barrel of a gun.

alastair gray
September 4, 2021 1:13 am

Curious form of blackmail. “If you dont kowtow to us in everything we will withhold our assistance in bringing about your avowed aim to destroy your own wconomy.”

Only in Democratic cloud – cuckoo – land could such a tactic succeed. Also a winning ploy to be played against Britain who are halfway there anyway. Brilliant guys these Chinese because it is going to work for them.

The sooner we allow Huawei into our security services nd infrastructure control the better just to make it easier for them

Tom Abbott
Reply to  alastair gray
September 4, 2021 8:24 am

The Chicoms are not brilliant, they are just taking advantage of delusional Western leftists, and staying focused on their goals.

Xi and Biden used to argue about Democracy verses Authoritarianism. Xi said Democracy was too unfocused and could not bring enough focus to a problem, whereas an authoritarian government can concentrate all its resources to attain a goal because there is little pushback among the ranks.

Xi is correct to a certain extent. It is easier for an authoritarian to direct a country in a certain direction because there is only one principal leader and what he says goes.

Democracy can challenge authoritarianism’s effectiveness, but it takes an effective Democratic leader, such as a Trump, to get things headed in the proper direction. When a Trump is in Office, the national machine works properly. When a Biden takes over, the wheels come off.

And keep in mind that we are in a rather unique position politically right now. The Democrats have the presidency, and small majorities in both Houses of Congress, but this is not the normal state of affairs. Congress can usually offset the more egregious actions of a president of the opposite party. If the Repubicans had elected just one more Repubican Senator, the situation would be much different, and Biden would not be able to force his will on the rest of us.

Democracy or Communism. One of them will win. Communisms has the advantage of a short chain of command, but Democracies have their advantages too, like free enterprise, and the personal freedoms to apply it, and the ability to elect competent leaders every once and a while.

I do think the freedom Americans experience and expect are what makes the United States victorious on the battlefields of the world. Americans have something to fight for, and will fight for it, given the proper leadership.

The latest Rasmussen poll shows 52 percent think Biden should resign over his handling of the Afghanistan situation. We need to impeach and remove Biden from office so we can regain some of our self-respect. This would tell the world that most Americans do not agree with the deranged Biden and his abandonment of Afghanistan and the Americans and Friends still there, left behind by Biden. Their blood is on his hands.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 4, 2021 10:38 am

It’s only a mere 52% because many of us realize that the only thing worse than a Biden presidency would be a Harris presidency !

And if you impeach both Biden and Harris, guess who is next in line, at least until Jan 2023? Nancy Pelosi ! Who would not be hampered by the Biden stick of pretending to be a “Moderate Unifier” (sic). Pelosi would go for the jugular so fast it would make our heads spin.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 4, 2021 2:18 pm

” the United States victorious on the battlefields of the world. ”
Remind me: what was the last war the US won?

MarkW
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
September 4, 2021 4:18 pm

The Cold War for one.
Vietnam, and Afghanistan were won, until the Democrats gave away the victory.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  MarkW
September 5, 2021 1:37 am

The Cold War wasn’t exactly won on a battlefield. It was the Soviet’s rubbish economy that shafted it.
Communism always fails
Every time

MarkW
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
September 5, 2021 7:22 am

The cold war was won on hundreds of small battlefields, all over the world.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
September 5, 2021 7:01 am

Well, I was talking about military victories. That would be South Vietnam, and every war since that time.

Those who served in the military can’t help it when their political leaders come in and throw all their hard work away. Unfortunately, that happens much too often. Every time the U.S. is controlled by the Democrats, in fact. Democrat politicians can’t capitulate fast enough to America’s foreign enemies.

It’s just too bad that Democrats don’t treat our foreign enemies as harshly as they do their domestic political opponents. If they attacked them like they attack the Republicans, our foreign enemies would be shaking in their boots. But, of course, that’s not in the cards considering who we are talking about. Democrat appeasers can’t change their spots.

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Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 5, 2021 9:58 am

True

fretslider
September 4, 2021 1:33 am

No mention of Taiwan Phew!

The Chinese are havinger a giraffe (laugh)

Richard Page
Reply to  fretslider
September 4, 2021 2:50 am

Taiwan is covered by ‘Chinese sovereignty’ – take a look at the video someone put up on another topic for information on exactly what China is blaming the US and the west for and what the state is telling the Chinese people about this.

MiloCrabtree
Reply to  fretslider
September 4, 2021 4:26 am

The Tiddlewinks don’t give a Donald…

michael hart
Reply to  MiloCrabtree
September 4, 2021 9:30 am

Nice one, Skippy.

Rich Davis
Reply to  MiloCrabtree
September 5, 2021 1:07 pm

I get what rhymes with winks, (tsk tsk!), but was confused by Donald. You refer to the Duck, I reckon.

Anon
September 4, 2021 1:34 am

The United States has got itself into a real pickle. All of us here a WUWT know the science behind CAGW is completely phony and so to do most Western leaders (why Obama is living on the coast now).

So, what was the real motive:

Angela Merkel and the Insult of Trump’s Paris Climate-Accord Withdrawal

Angela Merkel, at her press conference, said, “This Paris climate accord is not just some accord or the other. It is a central accord in defining the contours of globalization.” 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/angela-merkel-and-the-insult-of-trumps-paris-climate-accord-withdrawal

*That is a pretty odd objection to make when you believe the world is going to end in 12 years. Would your first concern be the “contours of globalization” if an asteroid or Carrington Event CME was on the way?

Climate Change had a purpose when the world was Uni-Polar and the United States was the only Super Power: trying to get the rest of the world aligned with a global government led by the United States and Europe. And it even made sense to “activate/hijack” the environmental moment to disguise the real intent.

However, now that the United States is faced with a peer competitor, who will be more than happy to see the United States de-industrialize, the initiative makes no sense at all. But the hilarious (unintended consequence) thing now is that the environmental movement is demanding decarbonization based on the original propaganda. And now the CCP can use the duped environmental movement as an ally, to bludgeon the US government, as it is currently doing now.

The United States would have been best served by letting Trump pull the plug on the whole thing by withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accord and conducting a Red verses Blue team exercise… but as they saw fit to dispose of Trump, they are eventually going to have to find a way to walk-back CAGW themselves. IMHO

It is just realpolitik… they missed the bus.

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Robert Hanson
Reply to  Anon
September 4, 2021 11:04 am

Not sure why you think the AGW disease is somehow all about Trump. It was going for decades before Trump even thought of running. Destroying the US industrial Infrastructure isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. They foolishly think they can implement a Communist style command and control ruling class with themselves in charge. But once the US is sufficiently weakened and the CCP becomes the dominant World Power, they will meet the same fate as Trotsky.

Anon
Reply to  Robert Hanson
September 4, 2021 11:50 am

No, I was not saying that at all. Trump could have offered a convenient (and necessary) excuse/cover to unshackle US foreign policy from CAGW. With China on the rise and stuff like this happening, it will need to be done:

Russia & India have ‘tremendous potential’ in energy cooperation – India’s energy minister
India is in need of energy and energy sources are here [in Russia]. Russia and India are strategic partners in energy and nobody has a second opinion on that,” he concluded.”

https://www.rt.com/business/533940-russia-india-energy-cooperation/

From a realpolitik perspective, all the US has to offer as a counterweight are Chinese made windmills and solar panels… and thus will be inexorably sidelined as a world leader. And as this continues CAGW will need to be ditched… so allowing Trump to “take the blame” would have been quite convenient.

Now, they will have to find another way to diffuse CAGW. A good way might be to take one of their darling scientists, like Michael Mann, and build a case against him for data fabrication and misuse of government funds (it is all there if they want to use it, like Hunter Biden’s laptop). Such a prosecution would put a chill in the CAGW movement and provide a scapegoat for the politicians (ie, they were misled by venal scientists).

Richard Page
Reply to  Anon
September 4, 2021 12:17 pm

Ah yes – the very same tactics the Chinese use when they need scapegoats to justify a hardline crackdown. Well it’s not like there isn’t plenty of evidence to use.

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September 4, 2021 2:32 pm

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Climate believer
September 4, 2021 4:02 am

In the playground if you show signs of weakness you will get bullied.

Lurch is about to have a giant wedgie from the CCP.

America wtf happened?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Climate believer
September 4, 2021 8:37 am

“America wtf happened?”

A fraudulent election possibly.

One of our political parties is actually a criminal enterprise.

All battleground States now show large numbers of illegal votes were cast in the 2020 presidential election. We still don’t know who those illegal votes were cast for, but we do know there was rampant fraud going on during the election. The States are still doing audits of their votes, so stay tuned.

The world today would look a lot different if Trump was in office now, instead of the insane Biden.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 4, 2021 11:15 am

You’re on fire today, Tom. You’re hitting all the issues right on the button. I don’t think the world understands the importance of a strong, well lead US until they get a demented weakling in authority. The wolves close in very quickly from all sides. The repercussions of last year’s Nov. 8 fiasco was felt almost instantly and we’ve been feeling it with increasing seriousness since. It’s my belief that the Chinese has already drawn 1st blood, with no push back from the West, and they know it … but of course we mustn’t mention that elephant in the room.

HotScot
September 4, 2021 4:33 am

The CCP are having a real laugh at America’s expense thanks to Biden and his cretinous administration.

They can demand basically what they want and if America doesn’t play ball the Chinese simply crash the entire climate change agenda, blaming it’s failure on America.

Kerry’s now playing big boy’s politics and is clearly way out his depth. But then when Biden’s idiotic campaign promises to put climate at the top of the agenda just to get votes we could expect no less.

Yet another unmitigated Biden disaster. He’ll not only go down as the worst POTUS, he’ll go down as the worst political leader the world has ever seen.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  HotScot
September 4, 2021 4:50 am

Lurch is too thick to play with the tiddlies.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  HotScot
September 4, 2021 5:19 am

“if America doesn’t play ball the Chinese simply crash the entire climate change agenda”

It would be nice if they crashed the entire climate agenda. Unfortunately, they and the Biden administration will probably crash the economy first.

Coeur de Lion
Reply to  HotScot
September 4, 2021 6:32 am

This is an astoundingly neat play by the Chinese. The US has to do what they want because we believe Climate is an existential threat to the planet and they don’t

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
September 4, 2021 11:18 am

Their ploy is anything but “neat”. It’s a clumsy attempt to equate completely unrelated issues. It is nothing but open coercion … blackmail of a perceived weakling.

Coeur de Lion
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 4, 2021 12:45 pm

That’s what’s neat about it. We are hoist by our silly beliefs

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
September 5, 2021 7:29 am

Not “we”, but Joe Biden. We want to give “credit” where “credit” is due.

A majo

Tom Abbott
Reply to  HotScot
September 4, 2021 8:39 am

Kerry has always been out of his depth, in everything he has done politically.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 4, 2021 11:15 am

No Kerry has always been a traitor, (not a word I use lightly) and he is just continuing his historic role. He convinced the North Vietnamese, who were about to call for a truce with a Korean style split of the country, to continue the war because the US had “lost the will to fight”. He negotiated the horrendous deal allowing Iran to continue developing nuclear weapons while giving them Billions of dollars in cash to use to support their Terrorist networks. And now he is selling out the US to the CCP. Compared to Kerry, Benedict Arnold was an American hero.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Robert Hanson
September 5, 2021 7:34 am

“No Kerry has always been a traitor”

That’s what I call him, too.

He’s been undermining the United States at every opportunity. He is just as delusional and dangerous as is Joe Biden.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 4, 2021 11:18 am

That’s an understatement, Tom.

bluecat57
September 4, 2021 5:02 am

What cooperation?

Bruce Cobb
September 4, 2021 5:04 am

Hilarious. China is essentially holding “the climate”and the future of humanity (according to climate ideology) hostage, as a bargaining chip to get whatever they want. It is a win-win situation for them. The Climate Taliban desperately needs China, certainly way more than China needs them anyway.

Richard Page
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 4, 2021 9:18 am

As they have built up the hype and circumstances around the Paris crapfest, they do need China on board. What a choice – cave to China or sink Paris? Somebody really should have told them that Paris was a no-hoper from the start and they should just cut their losses at this point. If they go any deeper into this it won’t end well at all.

2hotel9
September 4, 2021 6:59 am

I agree, the CCP should live up to Lurch’s wish list of stupidity.

Alba
September 4, 2021 7:15 am

Plus ca change. See ‘The Yangste Incident’ of 1949. This is part of the report of Captain Kerans.

NEGOTIATIONS

In all, nineteen meetings took place with the Communist military authorities; of this number eight were preliminary “skirmishes” with the opposition ashore near the Amethyst or onboard. The remainder were all on shore and for the most part held in Chingkiang at the General’s headquarters.

These meetings were held with a very thin veil of amicability and rigid formality. The convening authority was the Area Commander, General Yuan Chung-hsien, whose appearances at the table were few and always of short duration. In spite of everything that was said the negotiating powers on his behalf were handed over to the Political Commissioner, Colonel Kang Mao-Chao; he also is alleged to have been the Battery Commander at Sang Chiang Ying who originally fired on the Amethyst.

Kang had two interpreters who were both former students and well indoctrinated in Communist ideologies. It is of interest that everything I have ever said at all these meetings has been religiously taken down in full, in English as well as in Chinese. At some meetings I had the attention of the Press and propaganda section of the C.P.L.A.; thus I am well documented. The keenest photographer was a female who one day actually ventured out in a sampan from the local village nearby to photograph the Amethyst at all angles. The local garrison commander, Captain Tai Kuo-liang, who acted as my personal bodyguard, also attended each meeting; but apart from writing reams he was never allowed to say a word. Funnily enough we used to converse in French.

The progress of the meetings can fairly be summed up as representing a sine curve; at one meeting some hope for safe conduct was given, but the next would speedily dash it to the ground. By July it was evident that the Communists were deliberately protracting the course of proceedings and that safe conduct would only be given provided H.M. Government acceded to damaging admissions which were, of course, quite unacceptable. At no time was any assistance to aid me allowed to enter the area by the C.P.L.A.; every excuse, artifice and device was made to put pressure on myself to assume high-level responsibility to negotiate as a pre-requisite to safe conduct assertion.
https://www.naval-history.net/WXLG-Amethyst1949.htm

Mr.
Reply to  Alba
September 4, 2021 8:59 am

When you’ve got tried & proven tactics, you’re a fool if you don’t keep using them.

The Chicoms aren’t fools.

markl
September 4, 2021 7:28 am

“US foreign policy” is an oxymoron. It’s driven by quangos with financial and anti democratic ideological interests and not the will of the people … same with the government. The US has allowed the media cabal to define the political narrative and direction of the country to the detriment of the people. AGW is a shining example. We can’t hold a Convention of the States soon enough.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  markl
September 4, 2021 8:44 am

“The US has allowed the media cabal to define the political narrative and direction of the country to the detriment of the people.”

True, but now the favorability of the leftwing press is at the lowest point in history. Most Americans don’t trust the Leftwing Media to tell them the truth. The worm may be turning, although the influence of the Leftwing Media is huge, so it may take a while.

Doonman
September 4, 2021 7:48 am

Taking Chinese money sounds good but an hour later US politicians are still greedy.

Paul Johnson
September 4, 2021 8:02 am

The CCP is seeking concrete contemporary actions in exchange for vague promises of future action. Sure, that always works out well.

michael hart
Reply to  Paul Johnson
September 4, 2021 10:56 am

Yup. They’re not idiots.
But they know they are dealing with idiots, and are seeing just how much they can get in return for nothing.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  michael hart
September 5, 2021 7:38 am

Exactly.

Thomas Gasloli
September 4, 2021 8:38 am

I’m sure Kerry’s answer to China is the same one he gave to Iran, “your wish is my command.”

Kerry is a perfect example of how the American elite fail up. He has been wrong about everything, even when he has flipped sides. And yet he keeps coming back, like a creature in a horror film, to do more damage.

At least Biden now has the excuse of senility.

Gordon A. Dressler
September 4, 2021 8:52 am

OK. Let’s forget about the cooperation.

(It’d be bogus anyway.)

Felix
September 4, 2021 11:09 am

Huh. So the CCP doesn’t care about Taiwan suddenly.

Richard Page
Reply to  Felix
September 4, 2021 12:26 pm

Taiwan is a done deal – a weak US president like Biden can do nothing to prevent it. The part of the article regarding ‘Chinese sovereignty’ also covers Taiwan whether they explicitly state it or not. The threat is there – walk away from Asia or we’ll walk away from Paris and Biden needs Paris to keep his head just above water.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Richard Page
September 5, 2021 7:41 am

Biden may actually be a True Believer. He gets really animated when he talks about Climate Change. Maybe its all the money/power acquition involved, that animates him. I suppose both could be true.

LdB
Reply to  Richard Page
September 6, 2021 4:14 am

That is correct ‘Chinese sovereignty’ is code speak for Taiwan and it lays out the demand 3walk away or else no assistance with climate change.

Zigmaster
September 4, 2021 3:48 pm

Interesting to see that from a global diplomacy point of view Climate change is the US Achilles heel. The climate change fanatics are willing to sacrifice anything to placate their climate gods and it’s interesting to see both Afghanistan and China leveraging the promise to do more on climate change to get economic and political benefits and concessions.
Its really pathetic in particular as neither of these countries have any intention of keeping any
commitments they make

Serge Wright
September 4, 2021 5:17 pm

What a joke this is. If China thought CC was a real threat then they would be taking actions regardless, in the knowledge that they cause 30%. Only the world’s largest fools would believe a word uttered from Chinese CCP leaders.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 5, 2021 7:46 am

“Only the world’s largest fools”

That’s what we have running the U.S. government right now.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 5, 2021 4:49 pm

“Only the world’s largest fools”
Hmmmm

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george1st:)
September 4, 2021 7:35 pm

Climate change can be manged with dams for droughts , forest clean ups for wildfires , sea walls for surges , better drainage for floods , safer building for high wind areas , lower power prices to keep people cooler or warmer and alive for longer . The list goes on and on but our leaders just want to kill the fossil fuel industry as though it will save us all from ourselves .
And people vote for them . Madness .

William Haas
September 4, 2021 8:44 pm

I believe that China realizes that this climate change business is at most a joke. That is why they are building so many more coal fired power plants. So they are just shining us on.

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