Guest “Let them fix the problem” by David Middleton
World’s Dirtiest Cities List Raises Issue: Why Don’t Politicians Call Out China?
By David Holt
September 02, 2021Ponder this: A new tally of global cities’ emissions finds that the top 25 are responsible for 52% of the planet’s urban greenhouse gas emissions. Twenty-three of those are in China.
New York City is the first American city to appear, at No. 26. Out of the top 75, just four other American cities are listed – San Diego, Houston, Chicago and Los Angeles – all of them ranked 41 or higher. In other words, the U.S. – including each of our major cities – is outperforming the world when it comes to emissions.
All this data begs a question of our elected leaders who say we have to do more for our environment…
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We are already leading the world in terms of environmental regulations and controls, and again, we’ve – by far – reduced our emissions more than any country year after year for more than 20 years. By 2025, we will be more than two-thirds of the way to reaching our targeted emissions reduction of 28% from 2005 levels under the Paris Climate Agreement, according to Bloomberg Philanthropies. Part of that is owing to the good work we’ve done in our cities to reduce emissions.
Contrast this with the facts about China, which recently won plaudits from many in the “we must do more” crowd for promising to stop increasing emissions before 2030. While we’re cutting our emissions, China’s pollution by then will have surged an estimated 14%-25%. On top of that, China’s greenhouse gas emissions in 2019 exceeded those of the entire developed world.
Say that again: more than the entire developed world.
Those are facts, undisputed by even the most hardcore anti-business zealot masquerading as an environmentalist.
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Real Clear Energy
“Dirtiest cities” isn’t the correct phrase to use because the “new tally” is of urban greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, not actual pollutants; however the author raises a very good question…
All this data begs a question of our elected leaders who say we have to do more for our environment…
Why are our politicians (particularly the Communists Democrats) badgering us about pollution? Particularly, the non-pollutant CO2? Whether or not you view GHG emissions to be a problem, the United States have done more to reduce GHG emissions than has any other nation.
UPDATE: U.S. Led World in CO2 Reductions For 10th Time This Century Last Year
DECEMBER 3, 2020 | BY SETH WHITEHEAD[…]
BP’s recently released Statistical Review of World Energy 2020 shows that in 2019 the United States led all nations in carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions reductions for the 10th time this century. U.S. CO2 emissions fell 152 million metric tons in 2019, three percent below 2018 levels, according to BP.
This continues a trend that has been observed more often than not since since the turn of the century. In fact, BP data show that the U.S. has reduced CO2 emissions a world-leading 755 million metric tons since 2000, outpacing the next four leading nations combined.
Experts agree that fuel-shifting to clean-burning natural gas from higher-emitting fuels in the power sector is the primary reason the U.S. has achieved these reductions over the past decade-plus. For example, the International Energy Agency (IEA) recently noted:
“The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis – a fall of 140 Mt, or 2.9%, to 4.8 Gt. US emissions are now down almost 1 Gt from their peak in the year 2000, the largest absolute decline by any country over that period. A 15% reduction in the use of coal for power generation underpinned the decline in overall US emissions in 2019. Coal-fired power plants faced even stronger competition from natural gas-fired generation, with benchmark gas prices an average of 45% lower than 2018 levels. As a result, gas increased its share in electricity generation to a record high of 37%.”
U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) data show that from 2005 to 2018, a rapid shift to natural gas in the power sector reduced U.S. CO2 emissions 57 percent more than the emissions reductions realized through renewables, as the following Energy In Depth graphic shows.
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Illinois Petroleum Resources Board
Yet, we’re supposed to blithely starve to death while freezing in the dark because the wind doesn’t always blow at just the right speed and the Sun doesn’t always shine, so that Red China can do whatever they want?
This from the “new tally” (Wei, Wu & Chen, 2021)…
If there is a GHG emissions problem, it’s in Red China.
Reference
Wei T, Wu J and Chen S (2021) Keeping Track of Greenhouse Gas Emission Reduction Progress and Targets in 167 Cities Worldwide. Front. Sustain. Cities 3:696381. doi: 10.3389/frsc.2021.696381
There isn’t much the world can do about it except “wait for roast duck to fly into its mouth but that might take very long time”.
The climate change does ‘wonders’ with everything else, so there is always hope, don’t bother calculating probability.
Now China gets a pass because they’re the global climate champion.
They have, after all, dedicated themselves to manufacturing the
inexpensiveCHEAP solar panels that willpower the futureignite the rooftops of the world.Produce bogus face masks that don’t work so their lab created virus spreads faster in the rest of the world. AND produce bogus pharmaceuticals so diseases in foreign countries are allowed to progress unabated.
The attitude of the zealot is that “We should just set a good example”, and trust that which has never occurred in recorded history will happen this time.
Whether it is disarmament or unilateral reductions in GHGs, they will insist on the same course of action.
I just saw this today:
China Rebuffs Kerry In Climate Talks: ‘We’ll Follow Our Own Roadmap”
During talks with Chinese leaders in Tianjin, US climate envoy John Kerry presented a list of proposals for Beijing to accelerate its climate efforts. They included a public commitment to the 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) limit of global warming targeted in the 2015 Paris Agreement, a definite time frame for carbon emissions to peak before 2030, and a moratorium on financing overseas coal-fired projects.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/china-warns-spiraling-ties-us-will-imperil-climate-cooperation
Obviously the Chinese have access to all that we see on WUWT and other blog’s like Tony Heller’s… so Kerry is asking them to essentially play along with the “Emperor’s New Clothes“… the arrogance and buffoonery of America’s Foreign Policy is monumental. IMHO
Yep, how do you commit to 1.5 degrees Celsius without having an equally accurate number for climate sensitivity? I suspect it’s one of the following a) the Chinese, as with our elitist nitwits, also have magic calculators or b) everything associated with this Paris crap is a complete pile of shiite.
For good reason, John Kerry is known as the “Stupidest man in DC”.
Dumber than Biden?!?
Now that is stupid.
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Why would any nation receive Kerry with anything more than tea and cookies and an invitation to leave ASAP?
“We’ll think about it…… for a nanosecond. Buh-bye, John.”
Biden & Kerry…Dumber and Dummerest
Kerry is a rainmaker…that right there is the problem
Larry Kudlow thinks so. As others point out, there is strong competition for the title.
While falling down the Google rabbit hole, I got a look at some of the titles Kudlow has written. Very interesting …
District of Corruption
Isn’t that a quality in DC?
So Griff and Loydo don’t live in DC!
No. Griffy is from the UK and Loydo is an Aussie.
I think Buffoon is Kerry’s maiden name.
this might throw some more light
Good cop, bad cop. It’s difficult to say which is which.
So … The video points out a piece of Chinese internal propaganda. What’s the point? The point is to make the people think the problems now happening and the problems coming down the pipe are all the fault of the evil Western Capitalists. Certainly China’s glorious leaders could not possibly be at fault. LOL
Is the document a declaration of war? That war, such as it is, started a long time ago. China is out to win. Apparently China sees a zero sum gain where everything China gets has to be wrested from America. It’s sad she doesn’t understand the Dao of capitalism. Misapprehending the Dao will undoubtedly bring failure.
“What do you do when China steals your entire company out from under you?”
ARM chips
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/09/what-do-you-do-when-china-steals-your.html
Anon,
John Kerry- “Even if we get to net zero,we still need to get Carbon Dioxide out of the atmosphere.
This is a bigger challenge than a lot of people have grabbed on to yet….”- Huffington Post, Alexander C.Kaufman,22 April,2021.
Kerry seems unaware of the Key UN Principle, “Common but Differentiated Responsibilities and Respective Capabilities”.
President XI explained this carefully at President Biden’s Virtual Summit in April.
Neither Biden nor Kerry were listening.
When Developing Countries have a conflict between economic imperatives and environmental obligations,the former prevail.
They have now repeatedly refused the three initiatives Kerry seeks.
So, if the big cities are the source of most of the pollution in the air, why aren’t rural towns granted relaxations from all “climate-saving” restrictive laws, taxes & regulations?
Because it’s amusing to watch urbanites lecture the hayseeds, who feed them, about sustainability.
Very few of the Climate Wizards who call for net zero and phaseout of the use of fossil fuels really have any clue how fossil fuel dependent is our food supply… and their food supply. All they know is what they see, freeways clogged with cars, trucks and 18 wheelers. But cramming the urban peasants in Soviet style block apartments is not the answer either.
Their climate and social engineering policies though will bring about the very thing they claim to want to avoid.
What low-info voters (“progressives”) don’t realize is -without a robust, sustainable economy and national financial balance sheet, all attempts at achieving “sustainability” in other aspects of modern life are doomed to failure.
We all know liberals want to corral us into cities so they can better control us. We should use
their attribution science to lay the blame for GHG emissions on big cities and force them to put their money where their mouth is. We can use their “Rules for Radicals” against them.
Kinda makes one wonder what the agenda is, if pollution of various sorts (not plant food, please) is dominated by China, if the USA is going in the right direction and China is going in the wrong direction. A heretic (you know who you are) might be tempted to think the whole CAGW issue is really one of control of the people and destruction of the Western economy.
Ron take some time and check out what these guys research, some answers for you.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/
97% of the Climate Scam is devoted to propaganda deceptions to gas light the public into not believing their eyes and to believe that 2+2=5 and other weather nonsense that hurricanes and storms are getting worse.
Dumbing down the education systems will help them immensely with newer generations on that path to Communism.
Shared/shifted responsibility. China will not take a knee.
The SO2 emissions stand out on earthnullschool. They are easily #1 on that score. … https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/chem/surface/level/overlay=so2smass/orthographic=-240.36,26.50,672/loc=-129.443,42.984
The conflation of CO2 and genuine air pollution is an ongoing propaganda ruse designed to bamboozle the (intentionally?) scientifically illiterate public.
Paradoxically (or not) the annual averaged CO2 concentrations measured in Beijing ‘in 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016 were 374.4, 382.7, 389.0, and 392.8 ppm respectively’ at least according to the Chinese, about the same as measured at the South Pole, but of course CO2 is globally ‘a well mixed gas’.
If the actual measured CO2 levels in various cities were published widely it would help to dispel the lie that CO2 is pollution.
Let me be the first to congratulate China on their efforts to revitalize the biosphere through CO2 enrichment. Almost all life will benefit.
And China is laughing at us all the way to the bank.
China couldn’t hold their stonewalling forever, even with the help of a compliant Western MSM. And when confronted their answer to the rest of the world is a big middle finger. Let’s see how long it takes for the ROW to figure out what their real intent is ….. manufacturing dominance. The best way to fight this arrogance is to buy what you can made in your own country, or countries aligned with your ideology. Isn’t that what China’s doing? China will have to figure out how to feed its’ growing population without stealing from others. We, the West, will have to get use to paying more for goods now instead of later when there is no choice.
looks like china may be about to turn hard left
Not ‘about to’ they are doing. Extreme left – hardline purges, crackdowns on everything that isn’t party approved and when China starts to implode, war against the west. That ‘statement of intent’ should be a wake-up call to all other countries that it’s now only a matter of time before a strong military response will be required to deal with China. Now what’s the odds that this will be completely and utterly ignored?
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2021/august/25/210825-pacific-exercises-for-carrier-strike-group
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3146085/us-led-quad-plans-joint-naval-exercises-china-tensions-boil
This was going on before the response from China – mainly as a supposed deterrent against moves on Taiwan or other Asian countries. Whether it will continue or whether the West will back down still remains to be seen.
Richard i posted a link earlier, if you go there watch the article dated the 1,9,2021 there some interesting take on the navy exercises and China,
The Western democracies “Fighting climate change” is a crusade of futile and stupid gestures that does nothing for climate.
https://youtu.be/_h4DZeBleLs
Yes, as we previously discussed, coal production loves the hot house of totalitarian, top down dictatorships. No real environmental standards, no functioning worker protections, no legal alternative to having to hide in tiny apartments for part of the year with HEPA filters. Chinese coal consumption is indeed the main reason for their god awful emissions. A fact that you very recently boasted about. But, AGAIN, since their post 1960 per capita CO emissions are ~1/6 that of ours, they probably feel a little entitled.
https://www.greenbiz.com/article/china-pledged-cut-emissions-then-went-coal-spree
Of course burning coal isn’t a problem so long as you use western style filters.
Bob likes to forget that part.
Doesn’t fit with his ideology.
BigOilyBoob,
China was a society of agrarian peasants in 1960. Today, they are a developed country. Roughly 1/2 of all CO2 emitted yearly is taken up by the ocean and plants – very little of the 415 ppm CO2 in the atmosphere today was emitted in 1960. That’s why your statistic is completely meaningless.
Today, China’s CO2 emissions are over twice the US’s, their CO2 emissions per unit GDP are approaching twice the U.S. Your (feckless) attempt at defending China with such a stupid statistic is inane. The statistic is not worth repeating.
“very little of the 415 ppm CO2 in the atmosphere today was emitted in 1960”
If you’re talking about individual molecules then no. But if you’re talking about the historic pulse then rubbish – most of it will be there for decades and some of it for millenia. Bob is right, they can’t be blamed for feeling entitled, let alone the Indians, most of Asia, the Africans and the South Americans. I guess it all changes if you think labelling them “red” means anything.
The average Chinese emits one third of the average xenophobic Texan.
http://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24306.jpeg
As a country China is the Larger Global Emitter. China emits >29% of all global emissions while the USA only emits 15%.
Regardless of population China is the Largest global emitter.
Yeah to push an agenda they turn it to population junk.
Loydo
You’re going tangle yourself in knots trying to argue the 200 year old emissions are important but then explain why we have to take urgent action.
It doesn’t matter all the historic emission junk got shelved by China at last COP. It is academic only to lefties.
The Chinese middle class numbers now over 400 millions, more than the whole population of the USA, and their consumption patterns matches that of middle class from any Western country.
When it comes to being racist, nobody beats your average socialists.
Who cares per Capita numbers?
You lefties are the only ones that use that metric .. it’s junk.
Each country is the same … each country only gets 1 person on the UN no matter how large. What is next for you lefties you want proportional representation in the UN?
Notice the usual shift of the argument.
Wait a minute, China is doing most of them.
Wait a minute, China is at the same level as the EU per capita.
So you see, we were right all along, China must be allowed to continue emitting and increasing emissions as much as it likes.
If the global tonnage of CO2 emissions is driving catastrophic global warming, then the only solution is for China to cut back from north of 10 billion tons a year to something like 1 billion.
Because if the theory is right, China’s emissions alone are enough to destroy civilization.
What all this twisting and turning about China shows is that no-one actually believes the theory.
The Chinese don’t or they would not be emitting and increasing their emissions and building coal generation all over the world.
And the Greens don’t either, or they would be picketing every Chinese embassy in every country in the West.
Whatever this craziness is about, its not about emissions and climate.
If there’s an emergency, a code red, as you like to call it, why should anyone feel entitled? Reducing Western countries per capita emissions to match China’s will not save you.
Why deal in per Capita BS numbers that is stupid left speak .. we are a world of Countries.
We don’t get a discount in Trade deals because we have less people. When we compete at the Olympics or sports we don’t get handicaps because we have fewer people. Countries with small land mass but large populations don’t get concessions even though they have less land for unreliables.
So raw numbers for each Country or you are just playing lefty politics.
“Yet, we’re supposed to blithely starve to death while freezing in the dark because the wind doesn’t always blow at just the right speed and the Sun doesn’t always shine, so that Red China can do whatever they want?”
Hey Tender Tissues, hyperbolize much? The only reason your fellow Texans “froze in the dark” was because you failed to implement simple enhancements to your energy infrastructure ~a decade ago.
And apparently, you all now seem more interested in fetal heart flutter bounty hunting than solving this easily solved problem. Sorry, I can’t back that up. Most Texans want responsible, relevant, action. But the laws are more interested in voter suppression, gerrymandering, and female disempowerment as means of base goober smooching…
Bob just outer herself as a fat old maid who spends her life reading Occupy Democrats.
Bob can’t help it. Socialists always go hyperbolic when the peons refuse to bow down and worship as their betters tell them to.
The best enhancement of its electricity generation system that any state could would be to scrap all the unreliable wind & solar idiocy.
Absolutely, when Wind Turbine freeze in the cold the solution isn’t more wind turbines (more frozen wind turbines)
Fascinating how Bob actually believes that most Texans agree with him.
Yes, he is that delusional.
The problems with the Texas grid this past winter have been discussed over and over again. Not that Bob will ever acknowledge that. The problems started when his preferred solutions failed. Wind and solar plummeted and brought the grid down.
And finally, Bob lets go and lets his extreme socialism show it’s ugly head. Because no matter how hard they try, socialists can’t keep their hatred of normal people inside. They have to vent eventually.
Asking people to show ID when they vote is voter suppression? Only the terminally clueless believe that nonsense. Every survey ever done on the subject has found that 80% plus of the population agrees with Voter ID.
Gerrymandering? Where did that come from? My only guess is that Bob can’t stand it when anyone other than Democrats is controlling re-districting.
It’s also fascinating how any disagreement with the radical feminists, is “female diempowerment”.
Whenever you see more than two desperate, whiney lines from Gunner Mark you know you’re over the target.
Check the use-by date on your meds, matey.
Once again, Loydo is completely unable to refute anything I’ve written. However he is still upset that anyone who disagrees with him is permitted to speak.
A distinctly tiny minority blame renewables.
https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu/blog/texans-see-multiple-causes-february%E2%80%99s-winter-storm-outages-support-many-changes-being-discussed
Here’s what they (correctly) blame as the biggest culprit.
“When asked to make a judgment about the biggest factor contributing to the storm’s impact, the top response was the lack of winterization of electric facilities. Nearly half of Texans (46%) said the widely publicized lack of cold weather preparation at electric facilities was either the biggest (23%) or the second biggest (23%) factor shaping the effects of the storm. “
There were multiple factors. However it remains a fact that if wind and solar hadn’t gone to nearly zero, none of the other factors would have mattered.
The only lack of “weatherization” that mattered was due to the pipeline companies changing the power source for their compressors from natural gas from the pipeline to the grid. This was done on orders from the EPA due to global warming concerns.
“However it remains a fact that if wind and solar hadn’t gone to nearly zero, none of the other factors would have mattered.”
Yah, let’s run the emergency natuural gas generator you have bought and set up, 24/7/365 to make sure that it’s ready when needed in that parts/ten thousand weather event.
“The only lack of “weatherization” that mattered was due to the pipeline companies changing the power source for their compressors from natural gas from the pipeline to the grid. “
Oilfield electrification is a decades old, highly economic endeavor. There are multiple benefits. The compressor shut downs could have been easily avoided if shut in prioritization had been awarded to such faciities. Just one more way that California PLANNING has trumped Texas ERCOT/Abbott politisation…
The study linked in the article is just BS.
How can someone write so many words and not even do a common sense check of the results.
The study shows Perth with a population of 2M having ten times more emissions than Melbourne with a population of 5M.
In term of the cites size they are not comparing apples to apples.
Some cities are just the small inner city central business district, while some are the urban areas, while some use the greater city area.
Example.
Melbourne
1. Local Government Area is only 37 sq km. Offices and appartments only
2. Urban Area is 2500 sq km. Bulk of population and some factories.
3. Greater or Metropolitan Melbourne is 10,000 sq km includes many industries and some agriculture, plus remaining population.
The study uses Melbourne being 37sq km. Of course it has low emissions.
N
And Perth has mining/agriculture. LOL
Perth area 6,417 sq km
And London isn’t in the table at all.
Perhaps not pure BS – but . . . .
Auto
I also noticed Kolkata isn’t in the list, really?
Because the left {and corporate media] like totalitarian regimes.
They like kissing their butt. They have compassion for the dictators, and dream to be one
or at least have dictators that like them and do them favors.
How many clues are needed, they don’t like people having any freedom.
Girls with Hair of Gold? No Color Judgments. No Labels.
Perth seems like a strange value, higher than Melbourne and Sydney. Perth is Aus 4th largest city with a pop of 2.1 mil versus Syd 6.3 Mil
Very mild climate
Scott
#1 see my comment above. Sydney and Melbourne are only the inner city council’s not the greater Metro.
#2 I suspect that power stations being either in or outside the city play a role in the cities supposed emissions..
Melbourne’s and Sydney’s emissions from coal power stations outside the city’s probably aren’t included
That doesn’t work Perth has little generation itself the only sizable one is Alcoa in Kwinana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Western_Australia
So if the rules are standardize the comparison should still work.
Moreover what I think you are seeing is that inner city Melbourne has a higher percentage of inner city greens (Adam Bandt territory) and Perth only has much smaller pockets of that. Hence the average person in Perth uses more energy because they just don’t care.
Thank the Lord they are a participant in the Paris Climate Accords.
Are they really? They signed it, sure, but are they actually participating or just doing bugger all?
Well, considering what they “agreed to” (for now) is to “peak” their CO2 emissions by 2030, aka “do whatever they please for another decade,” they are “participating” based on what they “agreed” to do. Which is, as you so eloquently put it, “bugger all.”
Of course, as the 2030 “peak emissions” deadline approaches, the can will get kicked down the road, or the “numbers” suitably falsified to indicate that they have done what they’re not doing.
All of course while continuing to chastise the west for its need to “do more” (i.e., more self destruction of their economies while China laughs at their stupidity).
The peak in 2030 was, I think, a different agreement negotiated by Obama – was it part of the TPP? The Paris agreements sets targets for 2020 and 2030, which the Chinese have completely ignored.
The point I was trying to make is that they have signed the Paris agreement, but without any intention whatsoever to be bound by it. This does not make them a ‘participant’ by any means.
The Climate Taliban desperately need to have China onboard their anti-human, anti-carbon, and anti-democratic campaign, which means they have to ignore the glaring inconsistencies between what China says and what it does. But beyond that lies the fact that China has essentially been given a free pass to do whatever they want until 2030, all the while pretending to be working towards the “goal” of eventually ending their use of fossil fuels. But, according to the climate ideology, that means we are doomed. So, the Climate Taliban, in their efforts to keep the Faithful onboard have to ignore that fact. It appears their ruse is now finally unravelling. Glasgow should indeed be interesting.
China intends to profit mightily from our obsession with climate. And the Taliban looks to help. And they will use that money to hurt us. That is what their commitments to climate change are.
Yet, we’re supposed to blithely starve to death while freezing in the dark because the wind doesn’t always blow at just the right speed and the Sun doesn’t always shine
which hasn’t happened and won’t happen… and you know Texas was a fossil fuel fail (and the weather caused by climate change), Australia was weather related fail hitting transmission lines.
I haven’t forgotten all those utter failed predictions about the German grid in January, even if other posters here and certain websites conveniently have
We know you’re a liar
“Texas was a fossil fuel fail”
Utterly false. Texas relied heavily on so called RE energy. Even to the stupid extent of having the gas supplied to the power plants based on RE energy. So when that failed the gas plants couldn’t function. Nothing could have been stupider than to design a system where when the wind and solar plant sources fail, the gas powered plants are brought to a standstill.
As usual, when griff has no facts, he just resorts to the same tired lies.
The Texas grid failed ultimately because wind and solar failed. Had those two kept producing at even their average (much less faceplate) rates, there never would have been a problem.
Other factors were switching the power for the pipeline compressors to the grid and building new homes with heat pumps instead of natural gas heaters.
Both done at the behest of the global warming social justice warriors.
The German grid hasn’t failed, but it has come dangerously close to doing so multiple times.
If it wasn’t hooked to French nukes and Polish coal plants, it would have failed many times by now.
will the Chinese change? I don’t know.
I do know if we do nothing they will use it as an excuse not to act.
Griff, the Chicoms are acting.
They’re pulling the West’s strings like never before, and laughing all the way to world domination.
And the strings-pulling just gets easier and easier because “climate” 🤗
No the Chinese will not change, they will always do what is best for China, not the world population nor the planet. They will use the Paris agreement as a stick to beat their competitors whilst completely ignoring it themselves, exactly as they intended all along. They were never, ever going to do anything about it anyway – they certainly won’t do anything now. Whatever the rest of the world does, China will carry on as always intended to.
Actually, they will do what is bet for the CCP. If that benefits the people of China as well, that’s just a coincidence.
If they do nothing, then there is no need for anyone else to act.
BTW, there never was a need for anyone to act.
ROFL that is called a wing and a prayer or a hail mary.
Hey if you really want to force them Griff there is only one answer which is always the same answer ….. war
CO2 is not a pollutant in developing countries like little old China, India or Africa .
Particulate pollution is a different matter .
Western world seems to be held responsible for everything and must pay for every other countries problems .
Crazy is as crazy does .
Like any other country with a brain, the Chinese would never be locked into killing off their Coal fired power stations, without a return on investment, rather than just feeling warm and fuzzy about it. After costing their economy billions, examples of ROI’s could be lowering global CO2 by say 300ppm , and in turn lower global temperature by say 2C etc.