Guest essay by Eric Worrall
President Biden’s deputy John Kerry’s deputy Jonathan Pershing has joined the queue of dignitaries demanding Australia announce a net zero 2050 climate target. But all this pressure may be backfiring.
Top US official calls out Australia over lack of climate ambition
August 19, 2021 — 5.30pm
It would be “helpful” if Australia increased its emission-reduction goals in the lead-up to crucial United Nations climate talks in Glasgow in November, a top United States official says.
Jonathan Pershing, deputy to President Joe Biden’s climate envoy John Kerry, said the Australian target of a 26 to 28 per cent reduction by 2030 had “been overtaken by events” and that it should “step forward with a more ambitious effort”.
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Conservative UK cabinet minister Alok Sharma, who will serve as president of the COP26 talks, also called for more action, saying the UN climate report showed the world had not done enough to act since the Paris climate talks.
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On Tuesday at the same online conference, former UN chief Ban Ki-moon said Australia was “out of step” with the rest of the world on climate change due to the federal government’s comparatively low 2030 pledge and its failure to have a firm net zero by 2050 commitment.
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Read more: https://www.watoday.com.au/national/top-us-official-calls-out-australia-over-lack-of-climate-ambition-20210819-p58k88.html
I suspect the globalists on this occasion may have overplayed their hand. Our Aussie Prime Minister Scott Morrison normally tries to be flexible and accommodating on the world stage, but being seen as the lapdog of the USA, the UN and Britain all at once would be guaranteed political career suicide.
Australia needs to continue hyping its older concentrating solar pilot projects—regardless of what happened to them in recent times. Be sure and cite the US DoE as a guide for such hi-tech concentration solar projects. They like them too–regardless of outcomes.
‘Australia has the highest uptake of solar globally, with around 29% of homes with rooftop solar PV. As of 31 March 2021, about 2.77 million small-scale solar power systems have been installed across Australia
The cost of a home solar PV system starts at around $3500 for a basic installation. Prices are steadily coming down, as demand and mass-production increase.
A system without batteries typically has a payback period of 3 to 5 years.’
(Australian govt information)
And ?
The cost of rooftop solar on my rooftop would require the installation of a new rooftop to support the weight … around $32,000. Then my usage would require a sufficient quantity of panels that the quoted $3500 would blossom to more like $35,000 making the cost more like $67,000. Griff, your numbers aren’t realistic.
Bryan – I installed a 5.4 kw system about 2 years ago to reduce my electricity bill, cost was Aus$4000. So far it is on track to pay for itself over 4 years. I am not trying to save the world – just reduce my bills. I did it just before I retired so hopefully the system will last as long as I do. It may pay for itself sooner if the government keeps stuffing up the grid and prices go up.
BTW my house is heated by gas in winter.
Have you considered the $200 plus inflation a year hidden cost of replacing the system?
I have no intention of replacing the system. Hopefully it lasts the 20 years promised. All I am doing is taking advantage of the governments paranoia (subsidies) to make the system cost effective.
Recent studies show panels do last the full 20 to 25 years, with very little fall off in efficiency towards the end
Cites?
He has none because that was PURE BS.
So there! Recent studies! How could there be any doubt?
In which time period would you prefer to live your life?
[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025
Depends what the warranty is – I doubt that solar panels will last more than 3-5 years beyond the warranty. As most panels had a warranty of around 10 years, I seriously doubt any will reach your aspirational life expectancy of 20-25 years. 10-15 years seems to be about average, although some of the newer, more expensive types may last a little longer.
Another little-known problem with PV warranties is that because they are so long in length, the odds of the manufacturer still being in business to honor them are not very good.
Damn! In all the time I’ve been reading Griff’s posts, he never got one right… until now. Good quality solar panels degrade about 0.30% per year. They used to degrade about 8% per year. At the latter rate, they were down to 83% of their original productivity after 25 years, but modern quality panels are still producing about 93% of their original capacity.
The inverters on the other hand are only good for about 15 years. A good warranty is required to ensure it will be replaced at least once during a 25-30 year lifetime. At 30 years, you’ll probably need to replace it again, but good panels will still be producing about 92% of their original electricity. At that point I would probably just add another panel.
Assuming the company providing the warranty stays around. I have some doubts.
Sorry, but you are taking advantage of your NEIGHBORS. Those who cannot afford to be subsidized by the system, which is funded by all taxpayers.
Rent seeking is rent seeking, either by the big government crony capitalism actions, or the small government rebate/tax credit actions.
I don’t mind taking advantage of my neighbors. The idiots voted renewable requirements into our state constitution. I want it to hurt them.
Don’t forget that if you have a metal roof you need to factor in the much reduced roof life – they are designed to have dust washed off them by the rain, solar cells interrupt this process.
And also factor in much increased insurance costs from:
I did exactly the same and the cost ROI was 4 years. Australia’s energy prices have doubled over the last 10 years. Went from 16c/unit to 31c/unit. If you have space on your roof, put them in.
Wow! The costs in Aussie land are way lower than here in Nevada. I got a quote last Friday: $45,367. 15% off if paid in cash, and a tax incentive of $10,000. Best price: $28,561.95 USD. Assumes roof does not need repair, no battery backup (we have 25KW generator). And it freezes my electric bill at $6 more a month than I pay now for 25 years. (That last sentence was the savings they are trying to convince me makes the deal work.)
I would jump at $4000. The price I got – admittedly my first estimate – gives me pause.
My bad – If purchased outright they said there would be no net payment to the power company. They power at night, I feed them during the day. You can use their numbers to determine they claim a $42,000 savings over the 25 years of the contract including monitoring and free servicing.
Assuming they stay in business.
And people must not forget to factor in replacement cost when buying rooftop solar, around twenty years on average, and with energy output reducing every year from installation time.
20 years is a long time.
It’s past the end of the world according to AOC and Grrrrrrrrreta.
I had a 4.8Kw rated system for 10 years that continued to produce 5KW until I sold my house last year. I suspect it is still producing that amount to this day.
It is often said that the panels will deteriorate over time but that was not my experience.
As for pricing, I have recently installed a 6.6KW system for A$2,250 vs the $15,500 for the previous one.
I am not trying to save the world, merely reduce my power costs (in South Australia so not much chance of that).
It has recently become necessary for systems in SA to be monitored so that they can turn them off from the grid on days when too much power is being generated from rooftop solar. None of the solar web sites mention this nor the requirement to have full-time internet access (an additional cost for some) for the inverter to report its output to a monitoring company.
Electricity used to be a ubiquitous service that we commoners did not have to think about or manage.
So you installed your system for the same reason I did. Cost saving. Luckily in Western Australia we are well behind South Australia and do not have to monitor output.
“John in Oz
It has recently become necessary for systems in SA to be monitored so that they can turn them off from the grid on days when too much power is being generated from rooftop solar.”
All grid operators can do that, it’s the only way to protect the grid. Some here in Sydney have blamed Ausgrid for “destroying” their home system when it was forced off the grid.
The answer to that is of course domestic or neighbourhood batteries… these days very efficient blockchain moderated systems for keeping track of who input what and deciding when to export it to grid.
“ blockchain moderated systems”
Haha word salad. That must be IBM marketing
Do try to keep up with modern technology…
I don’t think you know what you are talking about.
Just google ‘solar power block chain’
Yes, I did and I found this “To put it simply blockchain is a list of records that securely stores information.” Does not sound like power generation to me. Sounds more like a sc@m.
LOL
Second on the Google list …
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/04/27/meet-5-companies-spearheading-blockchain-for-renewable-energy/?sh=1471ae14f2ae
YADA alert.
It looks to be a great method for small scale energy producers to drive up energy prices at times of peak demand (which there will be) by withholding power generation until the high prices they charge are met. Unreliables will be completely unable to power the grid so they want to decentralise power distribution down to any idiot with a power plant and a connection to the grid – Uber does power! These people really, really hate humanity with a vengeance, don’t they?
Of course griff. I see your point. It’s well known that it’s uneconomic as well as physically impossible to back up the whole grid with a centralized battery system because there just isn’t enough lithium and cobalt. But if we divide it up into a million neighborhood batteries, then it will work. (For sure)
At the pizza shop: “Would you like that in 8 slices or 6, sir?”
“Better make it 6. I don’t think I could eat 8”
In which time period would you prefer to live your life?
[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025
And will you personnaly apy for those “domestic or neighbourhood batteries”?
You only need one panel to charge your solar lantern. You do live in a mud hut I presume.
Does Australia even talk about the forced labor camps in western China making half of the world’s polysilicon ingots with coal-fired power plants, or is that off the troll discussion list of what’s allowed?
Griff
Panels typically work effectively for 11.5% of the year (offshore wind 35% conventional power generation 90%) With none at all at night of course and the amounts reducing as daylight and sunlight drops off after the peak summer months.
Majority of panels used in UK mostly sourced from China with much of the material and labour provided by slave or coerced labour according to the BBC and Bloomberg who point out that Chinese panels are cheap because, ironically, massive amounts of coal are used in their production .
They have a 20 year lifespan and are costly and difficult to recycle so get put in landfill, shipped overseas for dangerous deassembly or sometimes used in charity solar arrays in third world countries who would much rather have 24/7 power.
tonyb
griff is probably assuming the solar panels will be producing 100% power 25 to 26 hours a day.
Solar panels don’t work exactly when they are most needed, on long cold nights.
But they do on hot sunny days, and in much of Australia that’s more common.
Only if they are pointed directly at the sun, and aren’t covered by dust or bird poop.
Best energy output on clear cooler days between 10 am and 2 pm and other daylight hours output is minimal.
And output reduces all day when temperature is high.
Actually once the temperature gets over 25 degrees celcius the efficiency of solar cells drops linearly.
It depends on the cells but is typically -0.45 to -0.5% per degree celcius.
Exactly.
In some parts of Australia with a battery you can produce all the domestic electricity needed for an average household
As I’ve pointed out, you can, but it’s going to cost more than normal electricity. The break-even point is about 5 or 6 years if you get lots of sunlight. Adding a battery probably doubles that time, and the replacement cost. Replacement may occur before break-even.
Inverters’ life is less than 10 years, and there are other electronic components with much shorter life than that of the panels. And, then there is the periodical cleaning, etc. I know, because I have them for my own practical reasons, nothing to do with climate change, but an apartment living idiot like griff wouldn’t have a clue.
To be fair we get a lot more sun in Australia than most countries. In the tropical North, PV is almost worth it. In remote locations it definitely is. Our power goes out with a light breeze, it seems, so I definitely considered it. After doing the maths i settled on just my 5kw diesel generator, since I already had it for cyclones. With PV and my genny, I could be entirely unconnected to civilization, electricity is my only tether right now.
Not totally, unless you have your own well and refinery for the diesel.
Average efficiency of solar panels is 15-20% and that is just after the installers climb down off the roof. Then deterioration sets in as they get coated with dust and also dirt from rain (I live not too far from a main road and every few years have to have people come around and give the blackened roof a clean down with a powered water jet) The advice from the installers is to regularly hose your panels down and even better to get up on the roof with a scrubbing brush. Try doing that under an Australian sun and after the first time you slip off the wet roof (happened to me at my grand-parents).
There have been many reports in Australia about electrical faults from rooftop solar, danger of electrocution worse when installed onto a metal roof.
Yep. Firemen won’t go near a house with solar that’s on fire.
Or do they wait until it is dark? They must be so pleased with people making their job more difficult. Battery car in a crash anyone?
but it is different in Australia, parts of SW USA and numerous other places…
I am willing to bet you have a consumer item also produced by slave labour or also containing minerals from the Congo.
what exactly are you doing about that? The issues are not unique to renewables and solar panels…
The griffter applies the same whataboutist “logic” to slave labor and solar panels that he applies to windmills and endangered raptors. Cats kill lots of sparrows and baby robins.
In which time period would you prefer to live your life?
[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025
If only those third world schist holes would make better use of blockchain. Give them griff’s number.
And do you ever consider all the other consumer products sadly also produced by that slave labour? Or tat minerals from the Congo don’t just go in renewables?
Considering is hard to do in a sealed off area with razor wire and guard towers isn’t it.
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Once again, these steadily falling prices never seem to materialize when it comes to actual purchase prices.
3 to 5 years? Utterly delusional.
“Once again, these steadily falling prices never seem to materialize when it comes to actual purchase prices.
3 to 5 years? Utterly delusional.”
Only someone completely out of touch would bet against the price of these not coming down. Oh wait…. Mark, are you there?
I will take that bet. China has stopped pushing export production for growth and the need for certification for Australia is a pain in the butt to them. The focus now is on domestic product expansion.
If CCP-Simon declares it so, ergo it must be TRVTH.
Is Australia now requiring module certification?
Hey you are the moron who believes in Russia colluuuusion so it’s hard for anyone to take you serious.
That’s about right. I bet that the price of these are not coming down. Who in his right mind would bet against that?
That’s a quote from an Australian govt site.
And we all know that governments only ever tell the truth. ROTFLMAO
Your negative comment about government has been noted. Social credit score has been debited.
Yes you too can have slave labor products mounted on your roof to show off to the neighborhood. Act now and receive a bonus of genuine non-GMO Taliban-grown opium.
Around 30% of rooftop solar electricity cost in Victoria is a direct subsidy from our leftist State government. They did not ask voters if they wanted this use of taxes.
It means that taxpayers whose buildings are not fit for solar panels are forced to subsidise the go-getters, who would be stupid not to take the socialist sponsorship. Geoff S
It is true in all other states and territories too. I live in an unit/apartment in Sydney, so, at this time, rooftop solar is not an option. But my taxes and a portion of my energy costs go to people who can and do install solar.
Hmmm.
There are solar option sin use for German apartments…
German Parliament approves incentives for tenants’ solar power supply – pv magazine International (pv-magazine.com)
‘The German Parliament has approved on Thursday the new regulation for the support of tenants’ solar power supply. Under the new rules, a special additional tariff ranging from between €0.022/kWh to €0.038/kWh will be granted to tenants that intend participate in the advantages of a PV system on the roof of larger apartment houses.
The new regulation includes also the possibility for tenants to sell power to their landlords, provided that the landlord is located in the same building or nearby.’
Last time I checked I wasn’t living in Germany. Germany is considerably smaller than Australia, even New South Wales, and has interconnectors supplying power from other countries, notably Poland (Coal).
If rooftop solar is an option in Germany for apartments, it is too in Australia
Actually, not. But I guess you live here and are aware of the various council/strata laws that affect apartments. Oh right, you have no idea!
What and give up our rooftop garden and barbecue area , no thanks.
The glorious Five-Year Plan shall be fulfilled griffo. You just gotta believe.
[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025
I too live in an apartment in Sydney and feel your pain. As far as I’m concerned if you can afford to buy a house in Sydney you can also afford to install solar panels without any help from me who can only dream of owning a house.
and you too have slave labour consumer products in your home.
but only the ones connected with renewables produce a moral issue?
His record of misinformation and disinformation remains unbroken – no fact check needed. The Climate Clock of Doom is one second before midnight.
I got my figures from an Australian govt website…
As cited on chinadaily.com?
In which time period would you prefer to live your life?
[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025
No, he did actually get those figures from an Aussie Govn’t website, but as usual he didn’t link to it in his comment. I did later. A PV system for rooftop solar at AU3500 would not power much.
Why bash Australia then, if it’s doing so well without declared ambitions?
The $3500 systems are cheap and nasty and headed for an early trip to the rubbish tip.
Griff, Australia has a huge problem with durability. A lot of solar systems don’t last, leading to expensive repairs or worse. Dodgy high pressure sales, low quality, and regularly revised down tariffs.
In Outback Australia where weather conditions are often very hot and dusty solar panels used to power water bore pumps need replacement inside ten years.
That is about 5 years beyond what the inverter will last on a feed in system.
I wouldn’t trust the government I tell me the time of day.
In the tropical north where I live, the cost would probably be paid back in 5 or 6 years. That’s with the fact that the sun shines a great deal here, and most of our electricity is to drive a/c in the summer, and the panels help at that time. I did the maths properly.
In the south, when power is needed more on the winter, the payback period is more like 10 or 12 years.
The ignorant chap who came to sell me a system didn’t even know that in summer the sun shines from the south here in the tropics, and wanted to align the panels to point north. After doing the maths I decided not to bother anyway.
They also wanted to sell me an incendiary device in my home, aka a lithium battery. I asked why lead acid was not a better option, and he couldn’t tell me.
I live in Perth
My roof has an ideal aspect
Out of a 3 kW system I get about an average of 15kWh per day – summer / winter
I bought Sunpower 310W panels
The system is way to small but it was the most I could afford in 2010
I can not extend the system because the law says my existing system is non compliant with new laws
I would have to throw it away and I would have just broke even
other energy saving measures make much more sense
The panels as everybody acknowledges give me fantastic power at midday but everybody is at work
when I need the power is in the morning and evening
So yes go ahead but it doesn’t decrease the requirement for reliable power generation
PS Battery systems dont make Cents either
You left out the feed in tariff in WA got cut so it takes almost nothing off your monthly bill. The only situation it makes it worth while is office setting to offset the cost of large Air Conditioning units.
Yes is true for most people, yes. I’m retired, and for five years before that I worked from home, so it would suit my needs.
Unfortunately I found it not too be very cost-effective, and my only benefit would be complete removal of any services being attached to my home. For that, a battery is required, which is costly compared to the PV if you want 24 hr electricity.
Plus the cost of replacement needs to be factored into purchase cost before break even point is estimated.
Nonsense. If I spent 10k and I end up saving 12k then I am 2k up with or without your replacement cost factored in.
Are you really this dense, CCP-Simon?
I am going to assume you can add (or subtract), but feel free to correct me if that assumption is wrong.
Taking into account time value of money? 😉
You ask a communist about the time value of money?
The time of money is when they take it. The value of money is what they say it is.
Right Simon??
Actually, as long as the replacement comes after the break-even point, it doesn’t. All it tells you is how much money you save.
Rooftop solar panels require more energy in their construction then they ever produce in their effective working life. You cannot make solar panels with solar electricity.
Cheap Chinese panels are made with minerals extracted with fossil fuels. They are constructed with energy produced by fossil fuels. They are transported with fossil fuels. Without fossil fuels solar panels would not exist.
“Rooftop solar panels require more energy in their construction then they ever produce in their effective working life. “
Bull shite. Reference please?
How is metallurgical-grade silicon obtained, CCP-Simon?
Reference please that “Rooftop solar panels require more energy in their construction then they ever produce in their effective working life.”
What is inside a silicon PV module, CCP-Simon?
I don’t care if it is fairy unicorns. Give me a reference that says “Rooftop solar panels require more energy in their construction then they ever produce in their effective working life.”
Request DENIED, CCP-Simon, DYOFHW
What a loser…
‘A typical solar panel will save over 900kg of CO 2 per year that results in a carbon payback period of ~ 1.6 years. As solar panels have an expected life of 25 years, even in areas where the sun’s radiation is received at less than 550kWh per m 2 such as the northern UK, a typical solar panel takes around 6 years to pay back its energy cost.’
Still yet to be demonstrated that CO2 at ~415ppm/v is a problem.
But if it were, then clearly solar panels save more than the produce over their lifetime
I repeat, still yet to be demonstrated that CO2 at ~415ppm/v is a problem.
The fact you are unable to make the link between increased CO2 and possible problems going forward, I would say, says more about you than the evidence.
CCP-Simon:
How much of your payday are you willing to sacrifice for the Green Raw Deal?
10%?
20%?
40%?
80%?
I know with your limited understanding and primary motivations, you find this concept difficult to grasp, but it/life is not all about money.
No, it is about the quality of life, or “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.
YOU wish to become happy by making others unhappy by taking their hard earned money and spending it on things they do not want. And YOU are saying life is not all about money when everything you espouse intentionally costs others their money?
What an @sshat!
Absolutely. And he’s not willing to put his own cash on the barrelhead for the Great Cause.
How would you know? Once again you make things up. Such a loser.
So you hd the vaccine Drake? If not, how is that making others happy. I say it is costing them their life liberty and happiness.
Coward, your answer is of course 0% but you won’t/can’t admit it, so you attack the messenger instead.
So, you too cannot show evidence CO2 is “causing climate change”? This says more about you, your knowledge and understanding of physics.
but the $3500 systems typically only last 4 years therefore no net savings and a huge amount of environmental pollution
at last look there was 1Million Tonnes (to spell it out) of junk solar panels in South Australia alone
And The Australian Energy Market Operator is very concerned about the intermittent delivery of small bursts of energy from rooftop solar that disrupts the electricity grid causing grid issues.
And we actually have too much at the wrong time of the day and are started paying to offload 🙂
Australian Government Information says a lot of thing, mainly because it is maintained by the public service.
Using Australian Government Information I can easily show The Jab has caused more ‘Adverse Events’ (technical term for ‘I got sick after’) than the TOTAL number of Fauci Flu ‘Cases’ and I can also easily show that the Jab has directly lead to more deaths in the U-50 demographic than Covid and that in the state of Victoria (known locally as the place were all the deaths happened… LAST YEAR), there have been more Jab Deaths than Deaths With Covid in the past eight months.
So, by ‘Australian govt information’ we can clearly show The Jab is a greater immediate threat to Australian lives than the virus it is – apparently – protecting us against.
Ergo – DO NOT GET THE JAB. Australian govt information says so.
My point, Australian govt information says a LOT of stuff.
Unfortunately, Qantas and SPC have all demanded their employees get vaccinated. Hunt has made the “No jab. No job” policy mandatory for health workers. It’s a shame the Govn’t has waived all liability on the makers and the administers of the vaccines. So, takes ya money, takes ya chances.
Many jurisdictions in the US are mandating vaccines AND masks. So they must be lying about the effectiveness of vaccines. I already know they’re lying about the effectiveness of masks.
Masks are effective, if they are properly medically rated, fitted and used only once. The face nappies you see worn mostly are nothing of the sort. Anyone who knows anyone who works in the health sector here in Australia knows it’s long since been about anything but health and public “safety”.
And now people who have installed solar are going to be charged for the power they feed in to the grid. The installation of a solar PV system is heavily subsidised.
This is where you get this information from;
https://www.energy.gov.au/households/solar-pv-and-batteries
From the article;
“The process of converting sunlight into electricity using PV systems produces zero greenhouse gas emissions.”
And if you believe that, you’ll believe anything.
Don’t you have anything from a more reliable source like Pravda, griffo?
Say, in which time period would you prefer to live your life?
[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025
GRIFF why don’t you report the tyranny in Australia apparently the army has been called in illegally to enforce covid lockdowns in at least one province. All precipitated by six unelected bureaucrats:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/K00RXJaDf4pW/
Australia could build lots of solar, for export to China, with a long wire, instead of exporting coal to China, with fossil fuel-fired cargo ships
PR problem solved; world saved; next problem!
there is a project to send WA & NT solar to Singapore
but the cost of transmission alone kills the project so now everbody is talking about green hydrogen
There are now many long distance HVDC lines operating… UK to Norway, for example, with UK Iceland and UK to N Africa being considered…
Have you measured the distance between Australia (WA/NT) and Singapore?
I see it is about 4,400 km. Longest HVDC line so far is 2071 km.
I have not yet researched the Indonesian grid, but Timor is 2005 km from Australia
And your backup cable ‘coz, you know, cables do fail.
The longest HVDC line is 3,300 km, I believe. But with a conservative value of 3.5% loss rate per 1,000 km, that’s a power loss of nearly 12% – the power loss of a 4,500 km cable would be about 16% and that’s barring any problems with the line. What’s the threshold when it’s simply not worth putting a line in?
Morrison is widely seen as a bit ‘thick’ outside Australia. Ditch him and improve your national image!
(See also Johnson, Trump, Bolsanaro)
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Griff, answer enough ? 😀
It was in the Guardian, so it must be true.
No other worries ? 😀
He does best for Australia *), whose PM he is, not an US vassal
*) At least I hope see other matters.
PM Morrison who rejected the concept of a great reset while he was in the UK recently, he said that the capitalist free market system is not broken and therefore does not need to be fixed or replaced.
No doubt his refusal to join the leftist ratbags upset them and their dopey followers.
“ Morrison is widely seen as a bit ‘thick’ outside Australia. “
Where in the world would that be, griff?
Don’t say the UK because he is never mentioned outside the offices of the Groaniad
Joe Biden is so young in comparison.
And just so on the ball 🙂
You know this from your extensive high level political connections…..
Bumbling Biden notably absent from Griffs silly list despite utterly screwing up Afghanistan.
Apparently, Biden doesn’t recall being advised by his military
So he could, in theory, forget about the weather…
Biden doesn’t even know he has troops in Syria.
Yup. I am secretly running the world’s govts…
The far left hates them? Pretty much proof that they are effective.
The left hates it when anyone disagrees with them.
Yeah, if they weren’t telling other people what they should do, they wouldn’t have anything to say – well, besides “which foot should this shoe go on?”
As compared to Joe Biden, who just left his allies and ideological followers to be raped and killed in Afghanistan? If Australia starved to death tomorrow due to ditching fossil fuels, Sage Biden would just say “It’s your fault!” and go get an ice cream.
You just had a literal demented man as US President, who immediately spectacularly lost a 20-year war to literal goat herders. China is openly threatening Taiwan with invasion now, mocking US with editorials where they treaten US with WAR, and YOU dare to speak how Morrison looks abroad?
Literal How Dare You!
Cretin griff can’t comprehend any of the tragedy of what just happen to Afghanistan, USA, and the democratic world
On the contrary, griff is reveling in the joyous news.
CCP-Simon’s boi Biden had a rough week; spent 10 minutes mumbling about WuFlu from the teleprompter, then put a lid on and flew back home to the basement and more ice cream. All while Afghanistan is a total FUBAR.
When griff says “widely seen” and “outside Australia” he’s talking about a voice in his head.
Griff projects his viewpoint onto everyone. He thinks his way of looking at things is the way most people look at things. Wrong, Griff.
“Griff …. He thinks his way of looking at things is the way most people look at things.”
Tom do you not think the same? I mean you think Trump won so to do that you must think others think like you.
But you are a moron who believes in Russia colluuuusion…very hard to take you seriously.
And you are a boring one trick pony.
Do you mean calling out your stupidity?
No, Simon, I don’t say Trump won. I don’t have enough evidence to say that just yet. I have opinions, but they are just opinions right now. You are putting words in my mouth. Please stop.
Fair enough.
I appreciate that, Simon.
PRESIDENT JOEY TALIBIDEN
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“It seems this all unfolded while Joey was on vacation at Camp David. Joey came back to reassure the country that everything would be alright. Then he gave his 18 minute speech, of course without accepting ANY questions. He knows “Dr.” Jill has a rule, if he takes any questions, that means no waffle cone and ice cream. He said, “the buck stops with him”, very Harry Trumanesque. The only problem is 30 seconds later he was blaming the Afghan military, bad intelligence reports, and of course his go to excuse…..…it is President Trump’s fault. Then, he jumped back on the helicopter to be back in time for s’more’s at Camp David.”
https://www.thepostemail.com/2021/08/19/president-joey-talibiden/
You do realise that Trump released a bunch of the Taliban with the deal “he” brokered with them.
As a result of your boi Biden letting the Taliban take over, ALL the terrorists imprisoned inside Afghanistan are now running free.
And don’t forget the characters Barak Hussain Soebarka let loose.
Trump had released 1 Taliban leader held by Pakistan and some of the Taliban soldiers. Obama released 5 senior Taliban leaders, including the man that masterminded the current takeover of Afghanistan. Is someone keeping score or something, Simon?
No score needed. This mess has been a long time in the making.
Scare quotes on he? Are you claiming that Trump’s pronouns are not he/him? Or is that something related to your coluuuuuuuuuusion delusion?
Most of his voices agree
The grifter is sen as a bit thick….well, everywhere.
The USA might want to think about ditching him to improve their national image…
Hold onto that thought, Climate believer, we are not making any progress to trade Joe for Kamala.
Trust me. The US’s image could not have sunk any lower than it did over the last four years.
TDS.
Idiot.
Rather have TDS than an STD.
It’s a good thing that we don’t care what the rest of the world thinks.
That is clearly true that some don’t care.
Really? is that all you’ve got, Trump still rattling around in that empty skull of yours.
In light of the monumental chaos worldwide that has been created by the Biden presidency, I find your response pitiful and rather disgusting, but that just about sums up leftist zealots everywhere.
What momentous chaos world wide? Yep Afghanistan is a mess, but I’m not aware of any other issues you can blame Biden for? And the last four presidents can take their share of the blame for what is happening in Afghanistan.
More TDS-induced mania:
https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/
John Bolton thinks otherwise…
KING: You point out that the last administration you served, President Trump, initiated the negotiations with the Taliban. President Biden says that negotiation, those negotiations left him no choice. You were not a fan at the time. You were very public about it. But what kind of scenario was former President Trump striving for?
BOLTON: Well, I don’t think he thought coherently about it, and I think if he had been reelected, he would have done essentially the same thing Biden did. Mike Pompeo, who joins in the responsibility for this policy, has tried to distinguish it, but in fact, Trump wanted out. He was going to get out. He didn’t care whether the conditions that were included in the peace deal were met. Had he (Trump)been reelected, I think he would have done the same thing Biden did.
He is a true neocon, John Bolton. He was fired by TRUMP! because he was trying to stir up another war.
TRUMP! would have been out by May IF his plan was followed.
OBiden threw out TRUMP’S! plan because all leftists are WAAYYY smarter than any conservative OR businessman. Afghanistan is proof positive of that.
So is the US Southern border.
So is the resurgence of the China Virus, now being spread in Republican states by actively sick infected illegals relocated from the border by the OBiden administration.
Leftists do not care about people, just power and CONTROL.
“…What momentous chaos world wide?”
The emboldened state of every enemy of the West.
The increased risk worldwide for terrorist attacks.
The betrayal of all US allies, NATO, and not least the Afghan people, and it’s consequences.
Chinese expansionism, and Putin’s Russia also have opportunities opening up for them in Eurasia.
Wake up Simon! you’re on the wrong side of history…
WSJ: President Biden’s statement on Saturday washing his hands of Afghanistan deserves to go down as one of the most shameful in history by a Commander in Chief at such a moment of American retreat.
even the wicked witch of the west herself said:
Hillary Clinton has warned of “huge consequences” of President Joe Biden’s decision to withdraw American troops from Afghanistan.
CNN says ‘debacle of defeat and chaotic retreat in Afghanistan’ is a ‘political disaster’ for President.
You can try and blame Trump if that makes you happy, but the man who has indubitably carved his name on this humiliating catastrophe is Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
Trump didn’t leave people who trusted him to die and be raped. Every single woke person in Afghanistan is a target now. The Taliban are reportedly taking literal ownership of girls as old as 15. This is what Biden did to the *people who share the same ideology as him*, and he later said they deserve it, because they should fight for themselves. He washed his hands, while he scrapped the plans, made by Trump, for preventing the exact situation which happened.
America’s position is so low right now that China openly threatens it with war and says it will “forcibly unify” Taiwan when it wants to. I live in Poland, a NATO ally. Trump never made us feel so unsafe as Biden did.
Among communists like simple Simon
Not communist and if you assume I am then the simpleton is you.
The real story:
I ran Team Trump’s Afghan withdrawal — Biden’s attempt to blame us is just sad
https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/
I stand corrected. By all the evidence of your posts, you’re a centrist. But Jeremy Corbyn is an extreme right-winger like Joe Stalin, am I right?
I don’t follow Corbyn sorry. I know his brother was a bit nutty. But yes by most standards I would be called a centrist. Slightly left but certainly no communist.
Slightly left LOL. I guess a fish doesn’t realize that it’s wet either.
LOL!
But what if it is the ‘outside’ that is so ‘thick’ themselves that they can’t comprehend that it is Morrison who is clever one.
Thick? Ha!! Dementia Joe simply isn’t there. Lights are on, but no one’s home.
Lights are pretty dim, though
ScoMo thick compared to Biden, BoJo or Macron? Hilarious
I have forgotten Macron but yes was a very funny comment when you consider who to compare him with.
Mr Jupiter wants all frogs vaxxed, apparently because he says it prevents 2% of the population from dying of an enhanced cold virus.
He promised NEVER to make it obligatory.
When habitual liars promise stuff, you can be 100% sure it won’t be true.
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A theory runs, if someone looks like they’re married to their grandmother, it’s got to be too good to be true!
Morrison is a cunning political operator, no matter what morons like you blabber about. He tries to keep together a constituency made up of progressive liberals heavily invested in the renewables scam and the conservative liberals who know which way is up; losing either of them would mean electoral defeat.
Any political leader who acts in the best interest of the people who elected them rather the international climate-industrial complex is not thick, that’s Morrison’s stated aim so far.
The political landscape of Australia is littered with discarded climate-obsessed ex-politicians.
PM Morrison consistently points out that Australia has achieved Kyoto targets and is achieving Paris targets and will continue to lower emissions but using technology developments and not taxes.
And if there was a need to reduce CO2 emissions (I am not aware of any other than politics) a majority of other nations are not following Australia’s lead.
Griff, Morrison is showing himself to be one of the few adults in the room. He knows all this climate change stuff is bull$hit and that maths and physics will win out over all the fraudsters and scammers in the end. He’s buying time and going through the motions as slowly as he can politically get away with.
A climate hoax coupled to creatively accounted global warming modelling, politics not science, ignoring natural climate changes, Earth Cycles.
I wouldnt throw stones
biden is asleep at the wheel and most of the time has a vacant look
boris is a clown and again has no cred
merkel
etc
all politicians are dim whits – it is a requirement of the job
“(See also Johnson, Trump, Bolsanaro)”
Nonsense, Trump is not a bit thick.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2021/08/19/joe-biden-calls-off-public-appearances-and-remarks-indefinitely-n1471203
Joe Biden Calls a Lid on Public Appearances and Remarks Indefinitely
During the presidential campaign, the Biden administration introduced a new word into the lexicon: a “lid.” His campaign has called a lid countless times without explanation, meaning it was cutting off all media appearances for that day.
Joe Biden went on vacation to Camp David just before Afghanistan fell to the Taliban and gave no public remarks on the matter until more than 24 hours after the fall of Kabul. That was a speech Biden delivered from the White House Monday, after which he took no questions from the media.
He went silent again, then delivered another speech on Wednesday, this time on COVID. He took no media questions after the conclusion of this address. He sat for an interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos Wednesday. That interview has caused yet more problems. Biden’s performance in it has been seen as heartless and incoherent.
Fox News reports that Biden has effectively called a lid, this time indefinitely.
Biden has taken public appearances off his schedule without explanation. Reports indicate he has left Washington for his home state of Delaware, or soon will.
Kamala Harris has announced a trip to Singapore and Vietnam after being silent throughout the Afghanistan crisis.
Afghanistan remains a chaotic and extremely dangerous tinderbox with thousands of Americans stranded and surrounded by the Taliban while they await evacuation.
But Joe Biden has walked away again and called a lid.
Ice Cream Time!
Compared to Boris and Biden he looks like a genius
Only a true moron votes to improve our image with idiots outside the country.
Griff, I’m sure you meant “see also Biden, Harris”. Economy headed into the toilet, foreign policy nightmare. Trump was the perfect pres compared to Biden.
Maybe Prime Minister Morrison should scan all the recent Biden administration failures and take his cue from Governor DeSantis, tell Biden/Kerry & Co to mind their own business until they successfully do their own d@mn job.
Agree! As a US citizen, I’m appalled at the stupidity exhibited by Joe Biden and his regime.
To our Aussie friends, the American people stand with you! As for Biden and his ilk, it’s similar to what the veterinarian observed about the cat’s intestinal hairballs:”This too shall pass!”
Australia should tell the UN and the US to go fracking frack themselves.
And on their way out, Australia should ask my country– the US– how things are going in Afghanistan. I hear Biden gives straight and honest answers. Oh, wait, that’s not true.
Biden’s going to be busy with another project soon:
https://patriotalerts.com/2021/08/fulton-county-court-grants-motion-to-add-ruby-freeman-other-shady-election-workers-to-georgia-audit-case/
Oh yeah.
Looks like somebody is channeling David M.
Kerry has just this year poured more CO2 into the atmosphere by all his flying around than I have in over fifty years of driving a car. If he really believed CO2 spells doom, he would set an example by no more flying (or lying) and use zoom or skype calls.
As I posted elsewhere yesterday
“Kerry admits zero emissions in US wouldn’t make difference in climate change ”
https://nypost.com/2021/01/27/kerry-zero-emissions-wont-make-difference-in-climate-change/
And USA’s emissions are much larger than little old Aussie. 😉
We can always hope that it only takes 2-3 Western countries to balk at the unrealistic (and useless) Paris targets to start a domino effect. Why can’t Australia start it?
I don’t include U.S. and Donald’s attempt because he was portrayed as the anti-christ and therefore it was easier for countries to agree with him privately but needed to oppose him publicly.
If Prime Minister Scott Morrison is considered part of the fold and he’s vilified maybe other politicians will see that they are next…unless they stand up for PM Scott Morrison now.
I know, pipe-dream but we can still hope.
“We can always hope that it only takes 2-3 Western countries to balk at the unrealistic (and useless) Paris targets to start a domino effect.”
And that’s the real fear. The only thing that causes global CO2 emission reductions is recessions and pandemics. https://econofact.org/the-effect-of-covid-19-on-co2-emissions. Those kind of solutions are tough sell to the general public. what the CO2 emissions trajectory over the last 30 years show is the best you can hope for is a leveling off of global CO2 emissions overall and a decline of emissions per unit of GDP. Net Zero is an absurd construct which cannot be achieved with eco-acceptable wind and solar unless the political elite can export much of its industrial emissions and jobs to “developing” countries.
Why do we need CO2 to level off?
Australia needs to do what the rest of the world does.
Have a couple of low lever apparatchik’s make an announcement about upcoming ambitious plans to reduce CO2 emissions.
Then do nothing.
Nailed it !
Morrison can’t do that without instantly losing the electoral support of a majority of their true conservative constituency who absolutely despise double talk and hypocrisy. So, griff’s world can bugger off.
I reckon if the Coalition got some numpty MP like Trent Zimmerman to announce that he’s secured “support” for an increased target, most of the base would “get it” that it’s just a sop to the doctors’ wives.
Spot on … obvious when it’s pointed out.
Now that Afghanistan has an actual army and Air Force with good equipment, are they still carbon neutral?
They actually have NO Air Force (Contracts for Maintenance of the Planes were terminated several months ago…grounding the “Afghanistan Air Force”…. that was most of the problem…the other => Afghanistan Soldiers hadn’t been paid for 3 months….No Air Support and No Pay while our CLUELESS State Department touts LBGTQ Rainbow Banners all over Afghanistan IN AN “OLD FASHIONED ultra-NOT-Woke” MUSLIM COUNTRY.
The State Department Leftists overruled the Military…and the results were predictable. Leftists have one foot in dreamland and the other foot up their backsides…never intersecting with reality.
Anything that could fly is now in Uzbekistan along with any pilot that could fly them
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42040/dozens-of-u-s-bought-afghan-air-force-aircraft-are-now-orphaned-at-an-uzbek-airfield
And if they are not like some of the Black Hawk helicopters and drones that I have seen proudly displayed by the Taliban; well they will simply be sold to China for reverse engineering and copying.
So what about China then?
China can go frack themselves too.
Despite what they say, China has no intention to actually go carbon-neutral. The CCP is opening or re-opening mines while building hundreds of coal-fueled power plants around the world. They will shortly claim mineral rights over the South China Sea and begun oil & gas exploration, feeding the dragon.
Yeah, what’s John Kerry’s assistant say about China’s CO2 output?
If Australia stopped producing CO2 completely today, the Chicoms would negate that effort in a few months by continuing to increase CO2 production in China and across the world.
Singling out Australia is just a way for climate change bureaucrats to appear to be doing something about it, while ignoring the Chicom CO2 elephant in the room.
Greta has called them out…
“Yes, China is still categorised as a developing nation by WTO, they manufacture a lot of our products and so on,” she said in the tweet.
“But that’s of course no excuse for ruining future and present living conditions.
“We can’t solve the climate crisis unless China drastically changes course.”
What climate crisis?
“Greta has called them out…”
phew! that’s that sorted then…expect rapid change of direction from the CCP within days..
Another fat shaming article more like! I think the problem is that Greta is shouting from too far away – she really should shout at them while visiting Beijing – that’ll tell ’em!
I don’t think the Chicoms will let Greta in their country.
She’s not submissive enough.
Lets see now, the world has been reducing CO2 emissions since the 1990’s with the adoption of the Kyoto protocols. Then a worldwide shutdown in 2020 reduced emissions drastically for months.
Has anyone noticed that any efforts so far have led to a reduction in the global atmospheric concentration of CO2?
If not, then why would anyone think more of the same would do anything measurable at all?
Outside the US, can you point to any country that has actually reduced CO2 emissions?
Talked about it yes, done something about it, no.
The drop in CO2 due to the lockdowns was tiny compared the natural noise in the system.
Beyond that, China and India kept increasing their output.
yes. The UK. 51% down on 1990 levels.
Oh dear Grifter, Greta the climate fairy seems to think you’re lying too…
https://www.indy100.com/news/greta-thunberg-climate-change-uk-b1905953
At the risk of being accused of “taking questions too literally” (again), this information is readily available in the “BP Statistical Review (2021)” Excel file.
Note that they helpfully provide a separate “Carbon Dioxide Emissions” tab (number 5 of 83).
Using 2019 (the last pre-COVID “dip” calendar year) minus 1990 values we get 33 countries with negative numbers :
Country : 2019-1990 (MtCO2)
Russia : -802.4
Ukraine : -584.7
USA : -538.2
Germany : -402.8
UK : -278.0
Italy : -116.7
France : -116.3
Romania : -112.0
Poland : -94.0
Czechia : -70.2
Japan : -60.1
Venezuela : -42.6
Belarus : -39.6
Bulgaria : -38.6
Belgium : -37.8
Denmark : -29.4
Slovakia : -28.4
Hungary : -25.4
Lithuania : -24.2
Estonia : -23.5
Greece : -23.3
Sweden : -22.0
Azerbaijan : -20.5
Finland : -18.5
Netherlands : -16.0
Latvia : -11.2
Switzerland : -10.9
Croatia : -6.0
Austria : -2.7
Kazakhstan : -2.5
Slovenia : -1.7
North Macedonia : -1.5
Luxembourg : -1.5
…
True, but lacking either details or context.
Countries that increased CO2 emissions by more than 250 Mt from 1990 to 2019 (plus Australia, for comparison purposes) :
…
Australia : +95.4
…
Vietnam : +264.7
South Korea : +342.3
Saudi Arabia : +362.8
Indonesia : +405.6
Iran : +467.9
India : +1696.1 [ “Only” 16% of the net increase … ]
China : +7569.7 [ 71% … ]
World : +10655.4
“China : +7569.7 [ 71% … ]”
What about that, John Kerry?
And thanks for all the good information, Mark. This is what makes WUWT special.
I think if it were me being surrounded by a bunch of global warming fanatics urging me to drink the cool aid I would quickly part company with the lot and go invest in mortuary services.
Scott Morrison is a politician.
His key goal is to get re-elected.
He has to think about how each of his decisions impact whether he will loss or keep his current voters and how he can gain future voters.
Right now, how his decisions on COVID are perceived by voters is at least an order of magni
Correct climate change is a non starter in next election both major parties have written it to nothing but lip service.
Headline: Climate Zealots Seek to Make Human Extinction a Self-fulfilling Prophesy.
The globalist semi-literate warm-monger “elites” just need to leave Australia alone. With only 25.8 million people on the Australian continent, even if Australia suddenly stopped emitting CO2, it would hardly make a dent in the increase in CO2 emissions from China, which has 1,444 million people, or about 56 times the population of Australia, on a similar land area.
Where the Australian government does deserve severe criticism is for sending out its army to arrest its own citizens for the horrible sin of talking to their neighbors in public when there’s a <0.01% chance that one of them might have COVID-19. Such repressive policies would make Kafka or George Orwell turn over in their graves.
I think that’s the decision of the state governments.
His actions are to imprison us in our own country, the only country in the world to do this apart from North Korea.
And to NOT provide any kind of quarantine facilities for incoming travellers. Note that there is a severe cap on incoming travellers, so tens of thousands of Australians are effectively locked out of their own country too. Celebrities and rich people seem to be able to travel freely, however.
“Where the Australian government does deserve severe criticism is for sending out its army to arrest its own citizens”.
The army is not arresting anyone as they don’t have the authority; but they are assisting the police in helping to deliver needed necessities especially medication to people in mandated home isolation after either contracting Covid themselves or being in close contact with someone who has.
They are also helping the police check that those in home quarantine are actually at home.
Only the police have the authority to arrest.
And only warranted officers too.
“His actions are to imprison us in our own country, the only country in the world to do this apart from North Korea.” and New Zealand.
“And to NOT provide any kind of quarantine facilities for incoming travellers” apart from Howard Springs in the Northern Territory.
The hotel quarantine approach wasn’t a bad short-term compromise , but the lack of additional quarantine facilities similar to Howard Springs tends to indicate excess optimism as to the length of time involved and infectiveness.
They don’t try their high-handed dictatorial crap on China though.
Bribes? Wholesale corruption and unbounded hypocrisy?
The UN is a racist organisation.
Criticise Australia, but not China as it keeps on building coal-fired power stations? Australia could cease to exist and the impact on global temperatures would be zip.
And where does a proportion of the coal for China’s power stations/industry come from? when there isn’t a trade/political spat, at least?
Australia. So?
Here’s a reminder of co2 emissions (1970 to 2018) since 1970, or 1990.
Note China and other DEVELOPING countries’ emissions have soared for over 20 years and USA+ EU co2 emissions COMBINED are now LOWER than 1990 and no higher than 1970.
That’s 51 years ago. Again I haven’t met anyone who understands this data and the religious believers can get very hostile if you press the point. THINK about it.
BTW this is the TOTAL of all Human emissions of co2 since 1970 and ends in 2018.
I understand that UK and EU have made strenuous efforts to reduce CO2 on 1990 levels, the UK having achieved a 51% CO2 reduction on its 1990 output
Still waiting on evidence CO2 is causing “climate change”.
Oh well done the disunited kingdom, another stunning and brave move that will have so much effect on the atmosphere…. oh…. hang on….
Don’t look at us – it was mainly the EU’s asset stripping that accomplished the drop.
That’s a load of bollocks. The EU provided financial incentives (tax exemptions, EU grants or state aid grants) for UK businesses to shut down in the UK and open up plants in other parts of the world. The EU asset stripping did extensive damage to UK industry and this is a large part of the drop in emissions.
As Griff loves to comment on Germany, most of German car making is done…outside Germany.
Again Dr Rosling has shown us the remarkable progress that has taken place since we started to use fossil fuels.
In 1810 all countries were poor and sick and life expectancy was UNDER 40.
But today people are wealthier and healthier and life exp is 73. And yet 6 billion more people and a much smaller percentage of farmers required to feed and clothe this much higher population. Please pause and start to THINK.
AGAIN hardly anyone understands the data and Dr Rosling’s team used 120,000 data points to help us understand.
And it only takes 5 minutes of your time.Here is his BBC video 1810 to 2010 and covers every country.
Nuclear ‘forever planet polluters’ should be subjected to a massive radiation tax, to atone for the irreparable damage they are doing to the planet. International energy conferences and treaties should only be available to non nuclear powered countries.