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Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Climate scientists have issued an updated climate emergency declaration, urging us to take them seriously this time.
World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency 2021
William J Ripple, Christopher Wolf, Thomas M Newsome, Jillian W Gregg, Timothy M Lenton, Ignacio Palomo, Jasper A J Eikelboom, Beverly E Law, Saleemul Huq, Philip B Duffy, Johan Rockström
In 2019, Ripple and colleagues (2020) warned of untold suffering and declared a climate emergency together with more than 11,000 scientist signatories from 153 countries. They presented graphs of planetary vital signs indicating very troubling trends, along with little progress by humanity to address climate change. On the basis of these data and scientists’ moral obligation to “clearly warn humanity of any catastrophic threat,” they called for transformative change. Since the article’s publication, more than 2,800 additional scientists have signed that declaration of a climate emergency (see supplemental file S1 for the current signatory list); in addition, 1,990 jurisdictions in 34 countries have now formally declared or recognized a climate emergency (figure 1p). But, at the same time, there has been an unprecedented surge in climate-related disasters since 2019, including devastating flooding in South America and Southeast Asia, record shattering heat waves and wildfires in Australia and the Western United States, an extraordinary Atlantic hurricane season, and devastating cyclones in Africa, South Asia, and the West Pacific (see supplemental file S2 for attribution information). There is also mounting evidence that we are nearing or have already crossed tipping points associated with critical parts of the Earth system, including the West Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets, warm-water coral reefs, and the Amazon rainforest (supplemental file S2). Given these alarming developments, we need short, frequent, and easily accessible updates on the climate emergency.
Read more: https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biab079/6325731
There is no evidence I can see that this climate emergency will be any more significant than previous climate emergency declarations and tipping point warnings, dating back to the grandaddy of climate emergency declarations in 1989.
Is the 2020 version the one signed by Mickey Mouse? And did he sign again?
edit: We would never know
Signatures unavailableViewing signatures is currently unavailable. We are working on the issue.
“Untold suffering” … when will they finally tell us?
Suffering as yet untold.
Well, I don’t have all day.
Signatures unavailable! WTF, are they afraid to go on record?
What happened to that letter put out years ago from scientists that claimed climate change alarmism is being blown way out of proportion? As I recall, there were over 35000 signatures that included education credentials. How about we throw that back in their face?
found it..
http://petitionproject.org/
I don’t remember the date — likely 2008 — when Nancy and I signed via the web. We are near the end of the Hs.
She did get a PhD, and died this spring.
Many condolences to you John! We are sorry to hear of your loss.
Thank you.
We, too, are sad at this news. A loss for all of us.
John & Nancy Slayton
“As I recall, there were over 35000 signatures”
Actually it was … 31,487
Approximately 😜
Just looked it up. You are correct.
Yes, I’ve told you a million times in the last hour to stop exaggerating (:-))
That WAS NOT an exaggeration, it was climate change scientific rounding! 30,001 rounds to 35,000.
All temperatures round UP in all cases in the last 50 years, round down from 1900 to 1955, etc. Climate science is very complicated.
You know what happened to it!same thing thats happened to free speech its banned!
Audits are anti-Democrat. Full stop.
Trust in the election system is essential for a democracy.
Those not working for increased trust in the election system are
not working for democracy.
Problem: Questions of authenticity in election
Answer: Audit the elections
Problem: NO AUDITS- Democrat Party
Question: What do they have to hide?
This is actually the same site and same organisation as previously, with ~ 3k NEW signatures on top of the previously dodgy ones. Many of the new ones are not well credentialed either. So really this is just rehashing of old and largely discredited news.
Argumentum ad populum.
What’s amusing is that many of the people on the list are not actually climate scientists, so it’s ok for non-Climate scientists to blindly support this, but not to actually point out real problems?
Same same frauds and posers. Boring and tedious. Put these puppets back in their box.
“So really this is just rehashing of old and largely discredited news.”
Unfortunately, many people will take this seriously, not having the benefit of WUWT to put this into perspecptive.
Absolutely! I’m a lay person and WUWT is gold for me.Puts all this crazy alarmism in perspective.Please keep up the good work guys.
one way or the other “We are Doomed”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/peter-brookes-times-cartoon-july-30-2021-bp5bw85bt
Times’ cartoon
That’s a great cartoon. Slightly puzzled that it was allowed to appear in print cause the Times, lamentably, lately has gone full throttle on the climate change organ and joined the caterwaulers.
Watching BBC news right now. They are making all sorts of crazy claims about “extreme weather” and the “climate crisis”.
It’s solid gold twaddle that they are obviously ramping up for the Scottish gabfest at COP 26.
That is indeed all this is. They will have worked themselves up in to a hysterical frenzy by the time COP comes around in November.
Won’t all that energy from the hysterical frenzy cause more climate warming? They need to be careful and purchase some carbon indulgences to offset their frenzy.
Andrew wrote of their “hysterical frenzy”.
I think it should be referred to as “COPulation”. 🙄
Brilliant
They won’t be purchasing anything with their own money, it’ll be with everyone else’s money!!! Ah, the globul wealth redistribution society ALWAYS uses other peoples money, funny how their bank accounts swell in such crises!!!
And even than there is not enough so they will print it into worthlessness destroying all savings and again the poor will suffer the most.
Follow the yellow brick road.
Geoengineeringwatch.org
But haven’t us deniers all got pots of cash that Big Oil gave us?
Not more warming just more suffering especially for the poor and those who love freedom.
Dictatorial systems whatever name you give them only look great on paper.
Geoengineeringwatch.org
Or they should by the fart stopper! One size fits all.
What are the odds of COP taking place? Based on all of the fear of mutants being shown, it might be low.
Let them eat virtual cake, quaff virtual cocktails and expensive wines, eat virtual filet mignon and virtual jumbo prawns, and cavort with virtual hookers.
Nahhhhh…. without the frills, the whole thing gets called off.
So I think they’re willing to risk “Death By Covid” for a heapin’ helpin’ of all the goodies, Scissor.
Definitely, but I imagine some routinely connect with the virtual hookers in any case.
Yeah, but this time somebody else pays for the ladies of the night, why not when for them the pleasure is ALL free!!! 😉
Surely it will be virtual Vegan!! Mo meat allowed.
Odds are 100%. They would never pass up one of these CO2 spewing junkets.
They follow me around blocking my comments!Geoengineeringwatch.org
Geoengineeringwatch.org
Has it occurred to you that you’re being blocked because you’re spamming that website? I just read a bunch of comments from you with the same site, over and over.
Look up the lockstep scenarios for the future of technology book written by rockerfeller foundations 2010share climate lockdown are next all planned event
Geoengineeringwatch.org
You cannot expect my sympathy when you make the choice. If you were shackled to a chain facing a screen showing BBC with eyelids pinned open then I would be sympathetic.
Recommend that you watch the BBC News with the sound off, it’s so much more informative!!! ;-))
Or better yet, just turn the TV off. Paraphrasing – “If you don’t watch the ‘news,’ you are uninformed; if you watch the ‘news,’ you are misinformed.”
They are preparing the participants for rain, lots of it. Anticipate the jamboree to sink in an overflowing river Clyde.
But hey, just like Copenhagen, it will be a resounding success for cab drivers and ladies of the night.
Well the 2010 book titled the lockstep scenarios for the future of technology explains the birus and mask etc and their next lock down is gonna be based on climate change.written by rockerfeller foundations and they also just spent 25million to combat free speech look it up very easy to find before they shut the web down share also btw look up Geoengineeringwatch .org
This was all planned for a very long time!
I saw this on instagram lol I was waiting for this post… I wonder which scientists signed it this time
The political and social scientists.
Apparently they don’t want us to know.
We MUST save this document to wave in their faces in future years when the climate crisis has failed to appear. We mustn’t let them memory-hole it.
I try to, they’re quite hard to find after a few years. Try finding the original “end of snow” warning. The 1989 10 year warning from the UN is remarkable that it is still on display.
https://apnews.com/article/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0
Look here for the David Viner quote:
The Dr. David Viner moment we’ve all been waiting for…a new snow record – Watts Up With That?
Apparently, Texans last February didn’t get the memo about the “end of snow”, 32 years later.
We were also told that the North Pole would be ice-free by the year 2000.
Al Gore told us in 1998 that half of Florida would be flooded, but sales of beachfront condos in Florida are still booming, and Obama, the president who told us he would stop the seas from rising, bought a beachfront mansion on Martha’s Vineyard.
We were also told there would be no more glaciers in Glacier National Park by 2020, but the glaciers are still there, and the signs were taken down in 2019.
In 2019 the Queen of Queens (NY), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, was telling us that disastrous climate change would strike us in 12 years, which is 10 years from now.
Does anyone notice a pattern here? Most of the alarmists predict a catastrophe for about 10 years after the time they give a warning, then when the real world doesn’t match their prediction, they move the goal posts another 10 years into the future and re-issue their “warning”.
After over 30 years of failed predictions of catastrophic warming and flooding, and after the failed predictions from the 1970’s of an ice age, those of us old enough to remember them have many reasons to doubt the latest doom-and-gloom predictions. Who knows, maybe Greta Thunberg and AOC will change their tune in 20 years or so.
You say “. . . Obama, the president who told us he would stop the seas from rising, . . .”
The way I heard it, he claimed he could “walk on water.”
Last year, some kind sole saved it to the Internet Way Back Machine HERE
My worry is that they’ll get it all removed from Way back as well – there are a lot of very powerful people with a lot of money invested in the scam. They’ll stop at nothing to cover their bums in future..
I’ve download a copy of this latest stupid claim they’ve all signed.
I’ve decided I’m going to download and store as many of these documents as I can on a local drive at home and back the bugger up). We can’t let them get away with it in years to come.
Suspect that will become a valuable commodity when Dr. Soon’s recent prediction is hard upon us
It is interesting that the political clamour for control over the evil wicked internet have gone quiet, for now at least!!! I dare say it will resurface it’s ugly head before too long, after all this freedom crap isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, people allowed to express an opinion un-sanctioned by the authorities, to question & challenge, Big Brother would never allow it!!! I guess there is no equivalent USA version, but at too many times, my heart harks back to that closing scene in “V for Vendetta”, in that wonderful bit where the explosive laden underground train passes beneath the Houses of Parliament & blows the whole corrupt institution to smithereens!!! They will bring themselves down eventually with their own corruption!!!
Do fish use computers now?
“some kind sole saved it”
sounds fishy to me !
A well-heeled sole.
I’ve saved a copy to my site as well.
At least he wasn’t a heel.
I think it’s gone 🙁
According to the BBC we’ve already passed tipping point. If we’ve already tipped we’re in past the point of no return. So no point in worrying anymore
If these climate tipping points actually existed, why weren’t they triggered during the Holocene Climate Optimum?
….. because they haven’t made a phony hockey stick go back that far, silly.
Because no-one played hockey at that time, so no hockey stick-shaped rulers to create the graph
Anybody got any idea why yet again, at just after 6:00am, my blasted heating system kicked in albeit only for a few minutes – 20ish? It’s end of July in Blighty down in the South-West, glorious Devonshire on the coast!!! Must be Globul Warming I suppose!!!
Geoengineeringwatch.org
Or at any time during the past 4 billion years?
The Earth is greening at a catastrophic rate, which puts Greens at unease. Also, there is no end of sex, conception, and birth of “burdens” in the foreseeable future, which puts planned populationists at unease.
Geoengineeringwatch.org
I worry about Guam.
It tipped over, but nobody noticed.
The IPCC was formed in 1988. How much longer will we have to wait for doomsday?
This is such an egregious case of “crying wolf” that it will stand as the defining example of that phenomenon for centuries or millennia to come.
No, this is actually Chicken Little who is afraid that the sky is falling down, “crying wolf” is the wrong metaphor for these scaremongering science fiction believers.
No, Chicken Little believed what he was spouting. These guys don’t.
The very definition of “sophistry”! A sophist was a paid man from ancient Greece, to stand on a street corner to spout whatever he was paid to spout, whether he believed it or not, usually “not” after all it’s job ain’t it!!!
You would be surprised how many deeply are convinced that the climate tipping point is near.
Or already passed
The post begins,”Climate scientists have issued an updated climate emergency declaration, urging us to take them seriously this time.”
Thanks for the laugh, Eric. That’s some funny stuff. We’ve been hearing the same nonsense for decades now, while weather here in the United States has improved over the past century.
Regards,
Bob
It’s completely absurd. Historians won’t get this age. I barely get this age.
But you have to admit, Eric, it’s good for a laugh.
Have fun,
Bob
Go to your Bible Eric and read about the Tower of Babel. We recreated it in the 20th century with Energy, Capitalist Finance, Internet and Communications. And God saw it and saw it was not good (for her) and caused us all to go mad and turned every man against his neighbour that never again should we threaten to become gods ourselves. Tragedy is this nonsense will crash civilisation, and I think you only get one shot at building advanced civilisation because this time round we used up all our easily accessible energy. Enjoy the coming Dark Age
If this happens there is hope, some evidence oil fields slowly refill from deeper reservoirs. And we still have plenty of untouched coal. If some of the knowledge survives, the second rise might actually be easier.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Are-Oil-Wells-Recharging-Themselves.html
Nah, not happening. Paging Middleton….
Every civilization in human history was an “advanced civilization”. When flint and or obsidian were the industry standard for edged tool technology sources diminished and supplies were often traded from half a continent distances. The same for all commodities … tin and copper for bronze, alum for fulling and dying. People predicted that gold and silver would run out and when whale oil was the ne plus ultra of lighting and lubrication, whales nearly went extinct.
Humans have always found a way to make each civilization the zenith of human possibility.
Fossil Fuels, the saviour of Whales, hoorah!!!
Fossil Fuels, the saviour of Whales, hoorah!!!
That and a whole lot more besides. I’ll be much happier when we won’t have to burn them for their energy, but that time hasn’t arrive yet. There’s still a good supply until that day comes.
its the easy stuff that you need to find on your doorstep that will be lacking. I am a petroleum geophysicist and doubt oilfield recharge on decadal or even centennial scale also for example I wouldn’t like to look for tin in cornwall or iron sands in Lincolnshire. Our ancestors had it all
Civilization only progressed when energy became more available to more people and therefore cheaper. It is unbelievable how much energy is misused to generate less efficient and much more expensive energy. That would never have happened in a capitalist society.
Do you think Stone Age ended because lack of stones?
Eric,
Biggest mass psychosis evah! Historians will look back and wonder how so many could be fooled for so long!
The discussion will be about who is most to blame; the media that lied so boldly, the educators who threw out truth for partisan and ideological reasons, or the scientists that traded integrity for grants and salaries?
No one expects politicians to have honesty or integrity; the exceptions prove the rule!
Look at Fig 1 p., “Governments that have declared a climate emergency” for a laugh. I could counter and envision an exponential plot of “Cumulative Lies told by Government Officials.”
The CO2 concentration curve (Fig 2 a) is not very similar to CO2 emissions (Fig 1 k).
The fun never stops, does it? It has been quiet in the Atlantic so far but we are approaching the traditionally worst part of the hurricane season, August thru October, so anything could happen. I lived in Ft. Lauderdale mid-70s thru mid-80s, a time of zero hurricanes. Every year we would hear about how this year will be the big one….
There was a Florida hurricane a few years back and a photo of some guy’s beach house that was almost unscathed surrounded by rubble. At the time there was an interview, he said he asked to contractor to build a hurricane proof house.
Since then not a peep about what those measures were or any news about coastal municipalities enacting local building codes to reflect those measures.
After a very short search it was hurricane Michael and there’s lots to find. Here’s a FOX story on it.
Here’s a Google search on ‘Simpson hurricane clip” that were used through out the house. At less than $2.00 a copy makes one wonder why their use isn’t more prevalent.
In Australia, all new builds in cyclone-prone areas have to be cyclone-proof. We get quite a few here in the tropics. There is often a lot of damage, but I’ve never seen houses destroyed. I may just not have seen them, of course.
Simpson ties are somewhat prevalent in Western PA where the closest we get to hurricanes is a lot of rain when/if the remnants stall over us.
Bermuda also builds hurricane proof houses . you never see a house in Bermuda with its roof blown away after hurricane
I’m building a greenhouse (wooden structure; studs 4 ft. apart; walls & ceiling polycarbonate). Simpson ties are used throughout to ensure structural integrity in the face of 85 mph gusts that we get in Southeast Washington State every decade or so.
They should be specifying steel reinforced concrete for Florida housing, inclusive of walls, floors and roofs – and elevate them to avoid flooding issues. Build ’em like bomb shelters and keep them above the flood waters and then you won’t even need evacuations – just put down the storm shutters, fire up the generators and shelter in place.
They’ll whine about how “expensive” it is, but compare the cost with rebuilding the rubble every time a big storm comes through, and it starts looking cheap by comparison.
The Boy Who Cried Wolf – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henny_Penny
BIOSCIENCE has long joined the “crying wolf” society, which obscures where the cliff edge is. Tipping points are just another faddish term juveniles can’t leave behind. There are abrupt places, physical factors like this make more sense, a tipping point where the tidal prism does not overcome other factors. Carr-Betts, et al., 2012. Tidal inlet morphology classification and empirical determination of seaward and down-drift extents of tidal inlets. Journal of Coastal Research. 28(3):547-556. https://doi.org/10.2112/JCOASTRES-D-11-00124.1
As an example BIOSCIENCE highlighted this article.
How We Continue to Perpetuate the Attitude of Human Superiority in Environmental Science and Management—and What We Can Do about It
Earth Abundant : Toward an Ecological Civilization. Crist, Eileen. University of Chicago Press. 2019. 288. pp., illus., $35.00. (ISBN: 9780226596808 paper).
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biab076/6322305?searchresult=1
Sounds like “Critical Race Theory.” From the article-“The books ends with a powerful and poignant message. As Crist writes, “Civilization, as we know it, rests squarely on the domination of nature… Domination is not a contingent aspect, a correctable defect, or an unfortunate side effect of civilization, but constitutional to its very character.” But we choose these beliefs, and we can (and better) choose others. As Christ puts it, “Civilization does not need to be saved, but reinvented.” A few hours in a Louisiana marsh might change some minds.
Investments in padded cells for these people would be less expensive than the stooopid-shit solutions that they can’t even define properly. Think of the additional benefits too.
Forced colonization of Antarctica would be more apropos! Even let them have the peninsula where it is warming SO rapidly!
So 14,000 ‘world scientists’ out of over 7.8m full time scientists in the world is less than 0.18%. Yawn – wake me up when it gets up to 97% please.
Didnt we have 30,000 contrarian scientists a few years back saying ITS ALL BOLLOCKS. But of course they were all Exxon shills unlike the paragons of planetary wisdom that signed this one. Did you sign too Griff?
Yeah, given the eminent people that have put their name to statements like these, both for and against, we need some sort of exchange rate mechanism to evaluate their value. 1 NASA Astronaut = how many climate activists? It’s probably easier with academics once you’ve worked out the degree/masters/PhD ratio.
However, I do believe 14,000 is probably about the right number for climate scientists attending the latest COP junkets (number of actual delegates are almost double this but the rest are political hacks).
Don’t forget the whores (oops, sex workers)
COPulatory Contractors?
NGOs outnumbered delegates 2 to 1.
To paraphrase Albert E.: “Why 14,000, if they had any real evidence all it would take is one.”
Wake me up when there’s not ONE scientist with a better argument than theirs. Because that’s all it takes.
Ja. Ja. It is going to get cooler.
Anyone who signs a declaration warning about CO2-induced climate tipping points is ipso facto not a scientist.
No one with any scientific integrity would sign on to such blarney.
Pat Frank, you wrote, “Anyone who signs a declaration warning about CO2-induced climate tipping points is ipso facto not a scientist.”
Agreed. But let’s look back a little in time: The vast majority of climate research stopped being scientific back in the late 1980s after the UN founded the IPCC to support political agendas and the research funding was steered in that direction. Since that time, researchers who support nonsense like this are nothing more than paid propagandists.
Regards,
Bob
I’m totally with you on that, Bob. The betrayal of the scientific establishment could not be more complete.
No doubt you meant to say: The betrayal BY the scientific establishment could not be more complete . . but that does make things a bit too clear for comfort, no doubt.
I meant exactly the meaning you took, John. “Of” in that case indicated apposition.
Make sure to keep a copy of their names for an ‘attribution’ study.
I’m not into hit lists, but seeing they created it, can I have a copy.
Is there a link to the actual 14,000 believers.
I specifically want to know who they are in my home town.
Thanks in advance.
Ok – I found the list. It is in the supplementary section of the paper.
A quick search of just the “As” and “Bs” show 75 Australian “scientists” of which only two can be considered climate scientists.
The biggest group are ecologists.
Yeah but now the Globalists have the COVID pandemic controls as a template to use to enact control mandates related to the wholly manufactured climate “crisis.”
Here in the US, the once apolitcal CDC has decided that science is whatever they say it is regarding the utility of face masks, as response to political controls from the WH and Democrat-aligned interest. Those “masks” used for/by 99% of the population are cheap surgical masks or cloth, and that somehow satisfies the scientific criteria, even though everyone is the science community acknowledges that such masks are useless. It’s simply performance theater by once assumed “science” authorities.
Junk science has come to the CDC, and CDC Director Dr Wallensky is just following political orders from the WH and the American Federation of Teachers.
This is exactly what has happened to climate science as it fell into the realm of junk science via attribution studies using hand-tuned models. Junk science surrounds us now where it collides with public policy.
Speaking of masks, you would think that by now there would be a minimum standard of acceptable mask (level 2 hygiene mask at the least), that the government would have produced millions and millions of them and provided them free to everyone so they can be disposed of daily. Because they did not do this, you can take the mandate and shove it.
Everyone buying masks helps to support “the recovery” of general commerce.
What Recovery. Printing Dollars is mortal for general commerce. It will kill all savings and makes everything more expensive (in Dollars).
It is just like EVERYONE being in the window repair business, don’t you know?
Nothing from Government is Free. And why would you want to grow Government even Bigger ? Government can NEVER provide what is needed only the free market.
And they contradict themselves :
“In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks.”
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
And the WHO :
“Ten RCTs were included in meta-analysis, and there was no evidence that face masks are effective in reducing transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/329439/WHO-WHE-IHM-GIP-2019.1-eng.pdf?ua=1
There have been a number of published studies since the current nonsense started that came to the same conclusion: mask wearing by the general population makes no difference in transmission.
That’s a great cartoom. Plaster it all over Instagram.
WH and Demorats are just puppets like most politicians red or bleu. Following orders from those who can print all it needs to corrupt the system and are above the law. Those are the wizards behind the curtain.
So, if we are at a tipping point, can we assume the sea level will shoot up to 50 meters higher than current? That’s the benchmark for the last real hothouse earth, and the dinosaurs loved it.
We are presented with an interesting and important variant of the trolley problem (of which there are many. For instance, the hurtling trolley will either kill one pregnant young woman or 2 elderly women? one brilliant PhD candidate or 5 prisoners . . .) Is it right to impair the lives of an indeterminate number of living people in order to save the lives of an indeterminate number of unborn people? Etc.
Without a current population, there is no future population.
I can remember when a “tipping point” was a unit of success in our local newspaper’s weekly horseraces or football matches winners forecasting contests.
Those tipping points however could be empirically proven to get you a prize on Monday morning, or not.
In contrast, climate tipping points never never seem to eventuate in any kind of results at all.
What a gyp!
Tipping Point, good name for a horse.
The name would best suit one of those fake ponies that go around on a carousel at Coney Island.
It comes around at predictably regular intervals, wafting up & down, going nowhere really, and usually in the company of a spoiled brat or two.
Sound familiar?
Reminds me of the manure cart in back to the future
What science have any of these people actually done? Getting a PhD in a pseudoscience and jetting around the world to conferences isn’t actually science.
Orchestrated Stuff. In addition to 14,000 chanting morons all wailing from the same minaret, The BBC has been today blasting unlimited climate propaganda all day. David King Former Gubmint Scientific advisor when we signed the monstrous Climate Change Act and now “Climate Crisis Advisory Group” Chair vents eco-spleen and wants to freeze the Arctic cos its worse than we thought.
Some vague parliamentary committee on infrastructure wants to get “Carbon” out of the atmosphere and biomass burning and sequestration of the “carbon” thereby produced is teh answer of choice , oh and lots of windmills.
And some eco-loon Lady from the Met Office telling us that 2020 was the hottest ,coldest , warnmest, Floodiest, Draughtiest yet in places Coldest year EVVAH!! and then all evening a phun phone-in to that tw*t Harrabin about reducing cpersonal carbonm foodtprint .
The Climate Taliban are on the march, presumeably to Glasgow Lets head them off at the Khyber Pass.
Unfortunately, it’s going to have to be Gretna Green, but you could always use the secret weapon right there on the border. Make them eat haggis in order to enter.
Nah Greta Green you mean. Haggis is too good for Eco-Taliban loons. Contains meat from methane farting sheep an so is Harram
Emergency: A serious situation or occurrence that happens unexpectedly and demands immediate action.
Therefore we can’t wait until 2030 or 2050 surely.
Quick, dial 911 or 000 immediately and demand action.
So what are the options for immediate actions?
Fixed yet?
Just researchers lining up at the trough for government spending on climate change.
This is two logical fallacies: Appeal to authority and argumentum ad populum.
Just because someone claims to be or viewed as an expert does not make what they say true. The experts once told us plate tectonics was wrong. Experts tend to be wrong a lot because they are married to an idea and are so in love with it that no evidence would convince them of the truth. This marriage could be because of money, power, or because the person has a strong emotional attachment to the idea.
As Albert Einstein said, paraphrasing: “Why 14,000? If they were right only 1 would be needed.” Truth is not defined by how many people agree. If 7 billion people said something was true, that would not make it true.
How do I know something is true? Because the truth can survive any assault thrown against it whereas the lie has to be protected in a powerful fortress of censorship. If debate is not allowed, you should be almost certain it is a lie.
Feynman: being a scientist is taking the position that the experts are wrong.
Me: the difference between a scientist and an expert is that the scientist is fully aware of what he/she doesn’t know.
Ask Brazil and Argentina about global warming. They are having the worst cold weather since 1955 in some areas including killing a lot of the coffee and other crops.
Thats why they renamed it climate change
That tune plays incessantly: spring, summer, fall, winter, …
Breakfast won’t be the same but probably not the tipping point they imagined.
See also Antarctica, 2 degrees C COOLER over the last 40 years.
100% of the climate change catastrophe narrative is 100% crap. No matter how many scientists are calling for a tipping point it’s all just bullshit nobody really knows. This originally was a set up by the UN to destroyThe economy of the United States. Obama fell for it as do most liberals, it’s just in their nature to invite totalitarianism as a form of government globally. That is the definition of globalism totalitarianism Globally !!!!!!!!!. They are simply using climate change as a vehicle for their totalitarian ends.
Nothing much is happening guys.
Snow cover extent anomaly has been trending sideways for 25 years. That is a natural thermometer, recording as it does the 0 C isotherm. The AMO is also trending sideways. Which shows most of global temperature change has been natural.
It also say ECS is low, because pCO2 has risen over 10% in this quarter century time period. Yet no effect on snow cover extent. The terrestrial temperature datasets are rubbish, heavily contaminated by UHIE and by unscientific adjustments. Snow, however, doesn’t lie. It melts at 0 C whether stupid humans have attacks of godlike hubris or not.
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/images/rutgers-sce-anom-2020.png
Just a glance at some of the supposed signatories shows a range from lab technicians to accountants, students, retired leisure park administrator who said that wildfires were nothing to worry about as they regrow within a season or two, that was on the first page I looked at which would bring the number of those who could be defined as a “scientist” to many hundreds of millions. They have only found 11,000 of them and very few of them are actually experienced and well qualified climate scientists. The paper presents very little in the way of actual science, just a rehash of previous alarmist prophesies which have been touted since the classic 1989 UN “science” research paper which prophesied the demise of humanity if atmospheric CO2 concentrations were not brought under control within 10 years. So…. more of the same here really – still only 10 years to save the planet. It seems that the science was indeed “settled” in 1989 as ever since then they have settled on “10 years to save the planet” and sooner or later they may be proved right.
This was posted on Climate Dispatch today. See https://climatechangedispatch.com/meet-the-11000-scientists-warning-of-untold-suffering-from-climate-change/. Ezra Levant on his show did a pretty good job of looking into some of the so called scientist. Take a look at his video inside the link.
Thanks Kevin, Ezra Levant disembowels the ‘11,000 scientists’ claim.
Hilarious!
It is scary the number of people with do-nothing government jobs.
Thanks Kevin. I took a look at the list of signers as well. Interestingly I could not find any of the most well know alarmist climate scientists such as Mann, Hanson, Trenberth, McKibben, Hayhoe, Jones, etc. Must have not paid their club dues or something.
You’re falling into their trap. McKibben?! NOT a scientist at all, just another “activist.”
Only one of their 28 graphic presentations actually directly addresses global climate viz. ‘Surface temperature anomaly (change) C’ and only from 1990 indicating ~ +1.6C/century — some emergency.
Ironically the last data point is almost the same T as the first.
What would they consider not to be a climate emergency, a half degree C drop in thirty years, no change in thirty years, what exactly do they want the climate to do?
Bioscience, didn’t they publish that Susan Crockford hit piece?
When presented with claims like this: “climate crisis” or “climate emergency” made by people who can’t distinguish weather from climate, I’d invoke a recent study of 79 climate and eco apocalypses predicted since 1970. 48 (61%) of the predictions expired without any apparent apocalypse, crisis or emergency experienced by any people or animals. Hyperbole has been the most successful political trick played to polarize us against each other. Surprisingly done with invisible victims and phantom villains! We could make fun of it (humor and contempt are powerful tools) but I prefer to rub their faces in reality instead by enumerating all the failed eco-predictions. I’s got me banned on some social media; but that’s why I know it works!
“We could make fun of it (humor and contempt are powerful tools) but I prefer to rub their faces in reality instead by enumerating all the failed eco-predictions. I’s got me banned on some social media; but that’s why I know it works!”
I’ve been de-platformed from several sites for doing the same !
To play any game, there are rules. If you consistently cheat, getting banned is to be expected.
Bringing up reality is cheating?
When the rules amount to “I win you lose” there’s no point to any other rules, is there?
16,000 “scientists”.
That is a very very very long taxpayer funded Gravy Train
I wonder if Anthony’s dog Kenji is among them.
16,000 all saying the same thing…or else!
I prefer our current weather over that of weather of the 1920’s and the dust bowl 1930’s when C02 levels were lower..
So the Climate Caterwaulers* bespake.
HT: Bruce Cobb.
Temperatures getting back to what the world enjoyed during the MWP is going to cause death and destruction.
Do they actually expect anyone other than the paid choir to take them seriously?
Many do take “them” seriously. “How do you possible think you know more than 99% of all scientists?
I could point out the reality of that 99% claim, but you would probably ban me.
They should be embarrassed with themselves for making such blatant lies that have no relation to reality.
They’re that stupid that they think they’re telling the truth.
I work with these people and I think it’s a combination of ignorance, conceit and brainwashing.
I do a lot of lab work and I’m one of very few people who worked on-site since mid March 2020. Slowly people are drifting back and I have to watch my tongue commenting about the insanity. A Professor yesterday admitted to me that he thought it was fine for Fauci to lie in order to get more people to take the vaccine. IOW, the end justifies the means.
I told him that I thought people should be told the truth, to be given good data that they can assess and be allowed to make their own decisions as adults. The look on his face told me that I had pushed a little too much.
Leftists are taught from an early age that people are stupid. That’s why they have to be lead by the elite (who apparently aren’t people).
Since the elite know better than the masses, what is good for the masses, the elite are entitled to do what ever it takes to force the masses to do whatever the elite want them to do.
Anyone who disagrees with an elite has just proven themselves to be incompetent and must be re-educated until either they start agreeing with the elite, or stop breathing. Whichever comes first.
There is obviously 14,000 climate Scientists too many and we have their names
Let these 14 000 scientists put their money where their mouth is, find one scheme, support it to completion and give feedback so the public can see if it really works and is affordable. Until this happens not a penny of taxpayer money must be squandered on harebrained climate schemes.
You are essentially talking about the “Left”, at least in the U.S. It is a basic cornerstone of their belief system that anything they want that doesn’t work just needs to be done more, by government agencies, with more money. The resources if 14,000 individuals would impress them not at all.
If at first you don’t succeed. Throw more money at it.
I need to ask these authors two questions: 1- What is a climate emergency? 2- How will we recognize it when it occurs?
Who are they going to call, Climate Emergency Busters?
The only “Tipping Point” that I can see coming up is that it is going to get quite a bit colder over the next 30 years or so, in which case it may be time to be concerned, especially with the aim of current Climate Chane Alarmist Aims..
Richard Dawkins, in The God Delusion makes the point that descriptions of Hell (especially, including dramatizations to scare the kiddies) have to make Hell really, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY horrible to overcome the extreme unlikelihood that the place actually exists.
So it is with the climatistas. The more years that go by without obvious plagues of megadeaths, Antarctic icecap collapse with sea level rising even unto the very roof of the Obama mansion and “untold suffering” on a continental scale, the more numerous, the more dire and the more vocal the predictions of climate doom have to be to overcome “climate fatigue” in normal people.
I always liked the idea of ‘Heck’ that Scott Adams invented. Like Hell, but just mildly unpleasant.
Let all the rational thinking people have a counter letter to the catastrophist’s and submit to the IPCC
Rational thought and ideas gain zero traction in the media. The key to international fame lies in exploiting (formerly) fringe ideals and morays.
Don’t forget that IPCC will cease to be needed when it finally becomes apparent that CO2 is not the magic control of planetary temperatures.
Pop,
“Don’t forget that IPCC will cease to be needed when it finally becomes apparent that CO2 is not the magic control of planetary temperatures.”
Sounds like a feature – not a bug!
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Since the world’s developing nations led by China and India have committed to huge increases in future fossil fuel energy use and since these nations already dominate global energy and emissions (61% of global energy and 2/3rds of global emissions) it is too late to save the world with the path needed to achieve hyped climate tipping points (assuming totally flawed and incompetent climate models aren’t just complete garbage) having been selected years ago.
Given this reality there is simply no reason to do anything but let the developing nations get on with their global destruction and enjoy the ride😁😁.
Have a fun day.
Love the comments on this site.
As with religion (CAGW being another), do we all bow to the most popular one?
Adherents in 2020Christianity 2.382 billion 31.11%
Islam 1.907 billion 24.9%
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Athiest 1.193 billion 15.58%
Hinduism 1.161 billion 15.16%
Buddhism 506 million 5.06%
“…..more than 2,800 additional scientists have signed that declaration of a climate emergency….”
Mmmmkaaaayy, well, given that they do not define anything but use buzz words and advertising language to get their point across, I’m unable to decide if this is a preview of another ‘oil is going to run OUT!!!!’ type of TV movie, or just a begging letter being sent out to get cash out of the unsuspecting souls who fall for this twaddle.
Perhaps someone can enlighten me? As I recall, when visiting the Mazon Creek district looking for the Tully Monster, but coming across shrimps, seeded ferns, and crinoids instead, I was unable to understand how warmth can be a threat of any kind. Fire, yes, because it’s messy and no holds are barred, but warm air and pleasant breezes on the ancient dunes that were the beaches of the waterbody that has since shrunk in size into the Great Lakes?
Warm air is a threat? Only if you’re looking for a following of gullible Lost Souls who likely can’t tell one degree from another.
Come on. It does get really, unpleasant hot, many times and places. Always has.
You don’t get it, the sky is falling and we all must panic! NOW!
“They” must believe people don’t remember their last tipping point announcements. And ‘they’ may be right….. or, no one believes any of it. Eventually …. who knows when …. the MSM will have to admit the failures of doomsday predictions.
“William J Ripple, Christopher Wolf, Thomas M Newsome, Jillian W Gregg, Timothy M Lenton, Ignacio Palomo, Jasper A J Eikelboom, Beverly E Law, Saleemul Huq, Philip B Duffy, Johan Rockström”
Just out of curiosity, I looked the the background of the first four people on the list above. Two are ecologists (surprise surprise!), one is a biologist (but also teaches some climate courses). There are multiple Christopher Wolfs, and I am not sure which one is listed above (none seemed to have a climate science related background).
Somehow, given the wording of this latest warning, these backgrounds don’t surprise me. I suppose they figure no one will bother looking up their backgrounds and ask any questions.
All you need is A.., you belong to the church and B…, you do some kind of ”sciency” thing.
The only tipping point is when they all fall over and their heads go completely up their asses.
”They presented graphs of planetary vital signs”
” There is also mounting evidence that we are nearing or have already crossed tipping points associated with critical parts of the Earth system……….including warm-water coral reefs”
Comment not required……
They cannot possibly believe this nonsense!
Since there are about 7M scientists in the world, its a pretty dismal performance for them to get only 0.2% of scientists to sign their phony petition.
Maybe we should simply say that 99.8% of the world’s scientists did not sign a petition indicating that the world is at a climate tipping point.
When one describes a “tipping point” one assumes that the system is in balance before a particular event occurs and it is pushed out of balance by that event.
In weather that happens daily. That’s because weather is caused by the chaotic interaction of multiple physical processes (besides radiation balance and trace gas concentrations) and influenced by the global geography and extreme abundance of water (which just so happens to exist in all its possible states of on the third planet of Sol, and that’s HUGE)
So how could such a chaotic system be “out of balance” in the first place?
If this balance is so precarious, how did the planet survive its infancy when the “greenhouse” was much more potent than it is now after millennia of cooling?
It’s not that hard to find 14,000 scoundrel ‘scientists for profit’ who will sign up for anything that gets them closer to the “big money” of sloppily administered government knee-jerk spending.
Let’s hope they darken their reputations by their participating in something as elusive of actual truth as science by popular opinion.
All I can think of is Charlie Brown’s classroom and the teachers voice……
What exactly entitles you to claim you are a “climate scientist”?.
The scientific discipline that comes closest to be allowed to be called climatology is paleo-climatology, a sub-discipline of geology. Paleo-climatologists study climate change in the past – up to 4 billion years.
Since the climate is something that involves multiple “disciplines,” I doubt there is anyone that covers the gamut. Agree on paleo-climatology being closest to being a “dedicated” scientific discipline.
All that aside, the notion that people need specific credentials to participate in “climate science” is false, since science relies not on credentials but on a method. Of course, that doesn’t mean this list of 14,000 activists who wouldn’t know real science from a hole in the ground should be taken seriously by anyone.
Of course, the “media” swallows this bullshit hook, line and sinker.
I did not know that there were so many stupid scientists in the world. Wow ! 14000. Fact is that CO2 in the earth atmosphere has been 420 ppm before, it has been 840 ppm before and it has been 1000 and 2000 ppm before, for long periods of time. If no CO2 caused tipping point was reached then, why would that be the case now? Do they have an explanation or are they just ignorant about the history of the earth ?
You would be amazed how many of them are convinced that CO2 levels have never been this high before.
People in the UK, EU, Lapland , Western USA, US E coast, China, India, Middle East don’t need a declaration to see a climate tipping point: this summer they can look out their windows at the flooded streets or baking heat.
…. and remember it happened all before and not even that long ago. Incidently, we in Liverpool could do with some of that warmth.
So how rare does an event have to be to be considered extreme? How many many people or square miles does it have to affect? Now do the math and show how many such events would occur per year or per decade.
Here’s a hint – A once per century event affecting a million people would occur 380 times per year with a perfectly even distribution. 100 million people being directly affected is just an average summer.
We’re having a heat wave where I live. We’re breaking 100F for 3 or 4 days in a row. Haven’t hit 100F around here in at least 5 years.
On the other hand, the records right now are around 110F.
I was in a heatwave not that long ago – searing temperatures, dehydration, the lot. So I turned off the barbecue and had a cold beer.
It really is fascinating how griff can convince himself that weather events that have happened before, many times, this time are being caused by CO2.
Because the sacred models have spoken.
“Bad” weather = climate change. Unless it’s cold, in which case it’s just “natural variation.” The logical pretzels are simply amazing, and the cognitive dissonance would be fierce if they were capable of logic and reason.
Cold weather = climate change now also. They haven’t completed settled on how to blame CO2 for it, but the last excuse I saw was that the warming in the Arctic forces the jet stream to dip south. No one heard of a “polar vortex” until recently, so the phenomenon must never have happened before.
And our resident liar toddles in to spew the same lies it always spews.
Griffy-poo: Recall Einstein’s definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Do you expect people at this blog to eventually start agreeing with you if you just keep posting these types of comments often enough? I imagine Britain has plenty of good psychologists for whatever it is worth to you.
And people don’t need to look far to see how much of a stupid troll Griff is.
Climate emergencies are for people who need computers to count.
Or for people who think a “change” of 1, plus or minus 3, is meaningful.
I suggest the list of signatures constitutes a database of people either not to employ or to remove from the payroll.
Ask Brasilians for tipping points, they will tell you what snow storms are, more than unusual.
https://youtu.be/Seyk5cZZelc
From the declaration : Point (6) human population, stabilizing and gradually reducing the population
is the giveaway – it is Malthus from the grave.
Nothing new here, it the same old British Empire’s eugenics policy from the first global company, the British East Indie Company, Adam Smith’s sandbox, with Malthus the resident ¨economist¨.
It sure looks like the sun has not set on this mad hatters tea party, simply fresh cups!
I see you are still trying to convince yourself that the British are behind everything.
14,000 Scientists Warn of Imminent Climate Tipping Points!!!!! Whoopie!!!! The truth is that it only takes one scientist to prove all the others wrong.
Physicist Dr Gordon J Fulks stated the following in an article titled ‘Physicist’s View of “the Precautionary Principles”‘ (20 April 2012):
In 1905 Albert Einstein stood against the entire classical physics world with his new ideas on relativity. A few years later, a high school biology teacher from Seattle (Harlen Bretz) stood against the entire geological profession with his explanations of Pacific Northwest geology. And just a few years ago, Barry Marshall and Robin Warren stood against the entire medical profession to explain the real cause of peptic ulcers.
It is as Galileo said many centuries ago: “The authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.”
Hence the fundamental issue for me is the survival of science as an objective profession. Continuous spin from highly political non-scientists does not help. And complicity among many scientists who want the government grants to continue is very destructive.
This tipping point should mark a new AMO cycle , but will go the opposite way expected by these 14000 ‘experts’ …
I’m delighted in advance … wait and see …
https://scientistswarning.forestry.oregonstate.edu/sites/sw/files/biz088_supplemental_file_s1%20%284%29.pdf
These are the signatures, ‘Landscape Ecologist’, Assistant Professors, ‘PhD candidate’ amused me. 🙂
Researchers etc
Anyway, I just signed it as a Software Engineer, time to get a few Donald Ducks and Staloins on the list me thinks!
Did Newton invent calculus so he could provide information to the King to make better policy decisions? When did science become a branch of politics?
So, just the same lying liars lying yet again, still. Yawn.
14,000 scientists! As Einstein famously said it takes only one to prove him wrong.
1989 The Berlin Wall came down and not because of climate change. And it has not gone back up.
There should be a place in the Smithsonian Museum to display the untold suffering caused by climate change as predicted since 1989. They can start with improved life expectancy and food production.
There should be a place in the Smithsonian Museum to display the untold suffering caused by climate change policies based on the predicted “crisis” since 1989.
That might be more informative!
Are there 14,000 tipping points?
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God sees what you are doing so do his people and I am one! I rebuke you Mr banning my comments!
Anyone—anyone at all out there—want to offer up an objective, quantitive-based definition of “climate emergency”? I’ve NEVER seen such.
I won’t even go so far as to demand that it be based on a “consensus of scientists”. Ha!
“If you can’t define something you have no formal rational way of knowing that it exists. Neither can you really tell anyone else what it is. There is, in fact, no formal difference between inability to define and stupidity.” — Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
OH MY GOD! WE’RE ALL GONNA…zzzzzzzzz
Everyone that lost sleep over this last night, put up your hands!
Untold suffering? It’s more like untold hypocrisy … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtBT3M-RIZ0
They sound like a broken record..and like the boy who cried wolf.
Michael Crichton
You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There’s been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away — all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time. It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in Arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. It might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears the earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It’s powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. Do you think this is the first time that’s happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine. When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. A hundred years ago we didn’t have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can’t imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven’t got the humility to try. We’ve been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we’re gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.
14,000 Hmmm strikes me that’s 13900 to many. Shortage of engineers and we produce hairdressers.