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German Resident “We Weren’t Warned” about the German Floods

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has wasted no time attempting to pivot her government’s disastrous failure to act on warnings about the flood disaster into a climate change propaganda campaign.

Angela Merkel calls for climate change action as she surveys deadly flood damage

“The German language hardly knows any words for the devastation that has been caused here,” Chancellor Angel Merkel said.

July 19, 2021, 1:30 AM AEST
By Claudio Lavanga and Isobel van Hagen

HEIMERSHEIM, Germany — The train station has been reduced to rubble, wrecked cars lie on the tracks and uprooted trees line the riverbank.

Hundreds in the village of Heimersheim were still without power as police combed the wreckage left by receded water on Sunday to look for bodies and potentially flammable material.

There were similar scenes across western Germany and other parts of Europe where the cleanup from last week’s disastrous floodingcontinued. At least 180 people have died, officials confirmed Sunday, thousands more are missing.

As the waters rose from the Ahr river, Zinat Hamsoro, 41, who lives in the normally tranquil Heimersheim, told NBC News she had been forced to climb and spend the night on a hill near the village.

“It happened so fast, and we weren’t warned,” she said Sunday. “The city council posted a warning message on its Facebook page, but by then it was too late.”

“The German language hardly knows any words for the devastation that has been caused here,” she said.

She said the force of the storms suggested they had “something to do with climate change,” adding, “We have to hurry, we have to get faster in the fight against climate change.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/angela-merkel-calls-climate-change-action-she-surveys-deadly-flood-n1274310

I wonder what the provision was for residents who don’t use Facebook? Was there any actual plan in place, for how to respond to an imminent flood, like a hotline for contacting local media outlets? Were there no emergency teams ready to deploy flood control measures? Or was posting on Facebook all the city council could think of on short notice?

And the biggest question, why did Merkel apparently expect someone to call her, to warn her? Why didn’t her government proactively monitor the situation, by maintaining daily contact with meteorologists and reaching out for up to date information? There was plenty of warning, all Merkel’s government had to do was pick up the telephone and ask the right questions.

The German Government’s excuses echo a trend in African countries, where politicians sometimes attempt to blame Climate Change to camouflage their own incompetence or corruption.

For example, the Nile Delta Regional Governor in Egypt tried this trick in 2015, claiming the flooding of the Nile, which led to severe flooding of Alexandria, was due to climate change. But furious critics in the Arab press pointed to poor maintenance of drains, and made sure ordinary people were aware that the real problem was incompetence.

… His resignation, which comes less than a year after he took charge of Alexandria, Egypt’s second-largest city, was announced Sunday by a government spokesman amid widespread criticism over the city’s response to the deluge.

We are drowning in negligence,” read the front-page headline of Al-Youm Al-Sabaa daily newspaper. “The government drowns in Alexandria,” read the banner headline at Al-Shorouk, another daily.

Alexandria’s frail infrastructure, particularly its drainage systems, likely aggravated the flooding and resulted in the deaths of five people who were electrocuted by a fallen power cable, according to local media. The downpour was five times the amount of rain the city normally experiences in all of October.

Some people pointed to climate change as a major culprit. Missiry called the flooding an “environmental catastrophe” shortly before resigning.

Such flooding could become the norm in Alexandria, the World Bank has warned. It put Alexandria among the five cities across the world most at risk of flooding by 2050 as a result of climate change. The other cities the World Bank lists include Barranquilla, Colombia; Naples, Italy; Sapporo, Japan; and Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. …

Read more: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/26/climate-change-to-increase-alexandria-flooding.html

Even if you believe climate change is making floods worse, surely this means governments should have planned for this, and made more effort to prepare. Politicians are accountable for how their governments respond to disasters, regardless of the cause of those disasters.

Let us hope the German people can at least match the fortitude and political wisdom of the people of Africa, reject the pathetic excuses of their leaders, and demand the resignation of the politicians whose incompetence or worse contributed to visiting this disaster upon their lives.

Update (EW): h/t Bellman, Zig Zag – Zinat Hamsoro is a resident of Heimersheim, who said “we weren’t warned”. Me bad sorry, I didn’t make it clear – some readers are conflating this with my suggesting Merkel just sat around waiting for a warning, instead of being proactive.

Correction (EW): h/t Antonis Christofides – The original title “German Chancellor Angela Merkel Falsely Claims “We Weren’t Warned” about the German Floods” was incorrect – it was German resident Zinat Hamsoro who said “we weren’t warned”.

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Derg
July 18, 2021 6:08 pm

Merkel, Biden, Trudeau….birds of a feather

Simon
Reply to  Derg
July 18, 2021 11:26 pm

Trump,  Bolsonaro…turds of a feather.

KcTaz
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 2:44 am

WUWT could use a Block button for folks like Simon.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 3:23 am

Russia colluuuusion Simon…you are a human 💩

Graemethecat
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 3:33 am

I doubt Bolsonaro is worried by criticism from a no-mark loser like Simon.

Simon
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 19, 2021 1:00 pm

Which is so ironic coz I don’t think much of him either.

fretslider
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 3:46 am

….of a feather.

I’m always impressed by the polite and extremely learned discourse of people who claim to be progressive.

I wonder which charm school you attended?

Last edited 2 months ago by fretslider
MarkW
Reply to  fretslider
July 19, 2021 5:49 am

When leftists talk about compassion and tolerance, they mean that the rest of us need to be compassionate and tolerant of them.
Leftists never play by the same rules they demand for others.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  fretslider
July 20, 2021 4:10 am

The dumbing down curriculum doesn’t include charm. It’s a shame so few have the personal resources to transcend the designer-brain program.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 5:47 am

Simon really hates it when people who disagree with him aren’t suffering as much as he is.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 5:48 am

Once upon a time, Simon tried to present actual arguments to support his positions.
I see that he has finally given up on that futile effort.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 10:14 am

I don’t care who you are though, “turds of a feather” is funny.

Simon
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 19, 2021 1:01 pm

Thank you. I thought so.

Max P
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 12:30 pm

Simon.

Do everyone a favor and flush yourself twice. That way you won’t keep bobbing back up to post at WUWT.

Thanks.

TonyG
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 1:17 pm

Knuckles, Simon. Watch those knuckles.

Peter Fraser
July 18, 2021 6:19 pm

“The German language hardly knows any words for the devastation that has been caused here” l thought they would have quite a few after the saturation bombing of WW 2.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Peter Fraser
July 18, 2021 6:30 pm

I lived in Munich for almost 6 years, learned year one thanks to business tutors to speak fluent ‘Bayerische’ (one of four basic German dialects—hoch Deutsch, Bayerische, Oesterische, und SwitzerDeutsch. (Joke, since I speak 3 of the 4 strong dialects—SwitzerDeutsch ist also eine HaltzKrankheit.) (A throat disease).

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 18, 2021 6:57 pm

Forgot to mention, so have several impolite German words to simply describe this FUBAR Merkle did not— like Scheisse, oder Gablended…

Rainer Bensch
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 19, 2021 4:27 am

OIS IS HI

Jimmy Walter
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 18, 2021 8:57 pm

Vorarlberg dialect is the joke within Österreich where people say it is un-understandable.
It is actually, “Alemannic dialect; it therefore has much more in common culturally with (historically) Alemannic-speaking German-speaking Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Swabia, and Alsace than with the rest of Austria, southeastern Bavaria, and South Tyrol.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Jimmy Walter
July 18, 2021 9:28 pm

And here I thought it was just guttural Italian (another very local Brenner Pass Alpine joke).

Duker
Reply to  Jimmy Walter
July 19, 2021 12:23 am

Voralberg at the end of WW1 wanted to join Switzerland with which they had language and regional connection…however the Allies at Paris said no, just like they said no to the German speaking Sudentenland who was forced to join Czechoslovakia.
We know what that was a precursor too

Gerald
Reply to  Duker
July 19, 2021 4:48 am

@Duker
That’s incorrect. I think you confused it with Tyrol. In Tyrol there was a public vote after WW1 to join Germany and this was rejected by the Allies at Paris.
The public vote in Vorarlberg to join Switzerland, was not rejected by the Allies, but by the people in Switzerland in their public vote. The swiss people had no interest in taking over a starving and suffering region of Austria after WW1 and nicknamed Vorarlberg as “Kanton Übrig” (“Canton Left over”)

Rah
Reply to  Gerald
July 19, 2021 6:28 am

Sud Tirol was taken from what had been the Austrian-Hungarian Empire after WW I and given to Italy after the war. The idea was to provide Italy with key terrain to make it more difficult for another invasion as occurred when Austria attacked Italy during that war.

Even in 1989 when I was there acts of sabatage were occurring by separatists that wanted the region returned to Austria.

Gerald
Reply to  Rah
July 20, 2021 8:30 am

The history of Südtirol (South Tyrol) is complex. This almost entirely German speaking part of Tyrol was handed over to Italy after WW1 who wanted to have the Brenner pass as border. US president Wilson was tricked by the Italians into believing that there is a substantial Italien population in South Tyrol. In reality the Italians even had to invent Italian names for lots of towns and locations since there existed none.
Italy afterwards tried to “italianize” the German speaking population. Only Italian schools were allowed, lots of Italians from Southern Italys poor economy regions where nudged to move to South Tyrol with subsidies (this made at least the capital Bozen to a city with 2/3 Italian majority).
Also after WW2 Italy was not willing to even negotiate with Austria about the rights of the German speaking population (still a majority with app. 70%). The results were acts of terror like the “Bozen Fire Night” where dozens of electric power supply mast were bombed. This lead to atrocities on both sides with death, injuries and torture.
But luckily there were sane politicians not interested in escalation. In the end Italy agreed to negotiate with Austria about the rights of the German speaking population and they set-up an autonomy pact which made big concessions also to the German speaking population. Because of this the situation relaxed more and more. I don’t know how it was exactly 1989 (I was ten years old then). But today there are no acts of sabotage anymore or other acts of terror. Austria and Italy are good neighbors and frankly I’m not even sure if the South Tyrolians would vote for a reunification with Austria if they would be allowed to have a public vote. As far as I know from my talks with South Tyrolians they are quite happy with the actual status. They have their German schools, have equal rights, can live their culture and most important have a favorable taxation discount (which they wouldn’t have reunited with Austrian Tyrol). At the elections there is normally only a 10-20% share for parties who want to secede from Italy.

Rasmussen
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 19, 2021 12:21 am

“Throat disease”, correct german spelling: “Halskrankheit”. May i politely suggest mastering the english language before making fun of other languages…

Jimmy Walter
Reply to  Peter Fraser
July 18, 2021 8:52 pm

When the Soviets (who were the first occupying power) arrived in Berlin, they saw a city devastated by the air raids and street fighting. It was described as a Geisterstadt (“ghost town”).
Extent of the devastation[edit]

  • 48,000 of the 245,000 buildings in Berlin were destroyed.
  • 1/3 of all private apartments were totally destroyed.
  • 23% of industrial capacity was obliterated and the rest was dismantled for transportation by the Russians in the demontage (disassembly).
  • There were 75 million tons of rubble, which equated to 1/7 of all the rubble in Germany.
  • All electricity, gas and water supplies were destroyed:
  • It was forbidden to wash one’s whole body.
  • The transport network was badly destroyed:
  • The underground stations had been flooded and over 90 of them had been bombed.
  • The first buses resumed service on May 19.
  • 78,000 deaths:
  • 50,000 victims of the air raids.
  • 977 suicides.
  • A further 4,000 died daily in August 1945, because of the cholera and diphtheria epidemics.
  • The population shrank and the demographics were significantly altered:
  • 4.3 million lived in Berlin before the war, but only 2.8 million afterwards.
  • 1/4 of the population were over 60.
  • 1 in 10 was under 30.
  • There were 16 women to every 10 men.

Das Aufräumen (“The clean-up”)[edit]The job of cleaning up the city fell to the Soviets, as they were first (the Western Allies arrived on July 4, 1945) to enter the city. According to them, the clean-up operation would last 12 years.
On May 29, all women aged between 15 and 65 were conscripted as Trümmerfrauen (rubble women). In all, 60,000 women worked to rebuild Berlin.

KcTaz
Reply to  Jimmy Walter
July 19, 2021 3:08 am

You will pardon me if I’m not too distraught about the suffering of the German people, I hope. They did start WWI and even after that devastation for themselves and the world, they turned around and and elected Hitler and started WWII. Plus, the majority of Germans seemed to be quite fond of Hitler’s Final Solution for the Jews.
I’m sorry, it’s something German’s have to own.
Now, Germany pretty much runs the EU and has achieved via economics what it failed at with Wars, ruling Europe. Then, Merkel unilaterally and illegally threw open Europe’s borders to ME migrants and has forever changed Europe and succeeded in not only making it a very dangerous place for Jews, again, but now for women and people of every European nation. In time, Germany will have destroyed Europe thrice.

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Christopher Paino
Reply to  KcTaz
July 19, 2021 7:39 am

Sure. Elected. Yeah, that’s the ticket!

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Christopher Paino
July 19, 2021 2:14 pm

The most votes the Nazi Party ever achieved was @35%, and many of those voters didn’t actually know what the Party they were voting for intended to do. By the time they found out, it was too late.

Much like our last election, I’m afraid, where many people thought they were voting for a “moderate”, only to have a “progressive” (sic) agenda imposed by Presidential dictat, and very leftist activists filling most governmental posts.

Gerry, England
Reply to  Robert Hanson
July 20, 2021 2:38 am

No different to many of our elections where turnout barely makes 60% so that those elected almost certainly never have the support of the majority of the electors. In a recent by-election the winner had the backing of just 17% of the electorate.

AlexBerlin
Reply to  Robert Hanson
July 24, 2021 3:32 pm

Without public vote, the German Lumpenproletariat wouldn’t have stood a chance to elect a rabid Antisemite terrorist who wasn’t even a German citizen, and certainly no member of the proper ruling class, their chancellor. The Allies’ non-intervention (actually, approval!) at anarchist/socialist/communist terror mobs taking over first Russia and then Germany during and after WW1 is to blame for Hitler and for WW2. Neither a Czar nor a Kaiser would have allowed that kind of creature to walk free.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Peter Fraser
July 18, 2021 9:41 pm

For modern history buffs the town of Heimersheim is a ‘stones throw’ from Remagen the site of the first Allied crossing of the Rhine in March 1945 by the 1st US Army.

KcTaz
Reply to  Peter Fraser
July 19, 2021 2:48 am

I thought the same thing but more along the lines of how could they not have words, many of them, after the devastation they caused in WWI and WWII? Not to mention the Holocaust.

Tom Halla
July 18, 2021 6:20 pm

I have seen the comment that what government disaster plans often omit is any appreciation of the definition of “disaster”. Katrina comes to mind,where the failures of the city and state governments were of course blamed on the feds racism.
Evidently, the state and federal German governments failed to put out warnings or do any contingency planning for a storm that was actually predicted to be severe. Of course, Tante Angela cannot take any responsibility.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2021 6:35 pm

With Katrina,it was fairly simple things like not having a plan to alert the bus drivers that were supposed to evacuate some people.
Merkel’s blaming climate change reminds me of Jerry Falwell blaming “immorality” for Katrina.

Shoki Kaneda
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 18, 2021 8:21 pm

Quite similar, given they are both religious falsehoods.

Gregg Eshelman
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 18, 2021 10:14 pm

New Orelans had a disaster plan which included using all the city and school buses for evacuation. The mayor chose to not implement the plan in order to make the disaster as bad as possible, just because President Bush was a Republican.

Duker
Reply to  Gregg Eshelman
July 19, 2021 12:32 am

False.
George Bushes FEMA head …Brownie , you are doing a heck of a job.
FEMA contracted the bus excavation to Landstar Express who sub contrated it out , and then was sub contracted again
The Mayor didn’t have enough bus drivers who hadn’t already evacuated to drive Transit and school buses..after all they could drive to leave , but many didn’t have transport

KcTaz
Reply to  Duker
July 19, 2021 3:43 am

I don’t quite recall all the details but wasn’t the Mayor one of the first to high tail it out of town to Texas with his family? I’m pretty sure the Mayor never activated the buses and it was not that he didn’t have drivers. Many of the people seemed to think it was not going to be all that bad and weren’t worried about evacuating until it was too late. Many police officers, also, high-tailed it out of town.
I’m not fond GWB, but he’s hardly to blame. Recall, he had to violate posse comitatus to send in the National Guard as the Governor refused to request them. La. was and, for all I know, still is, a cesspool of corruption, graft and greed.
After Katrina, it was discovered that 100 million had gone missing from the NO School system. That’s a heck of a lot of money to go “missing” and for no one to notice. That’s just one pot of money that was looted by the politicians. There were more.
Besides, the buses were needed immediately and they weren’t used. By the time FEMA got on the scene, no one could get in or out of NO.
The Feds and FEMA are not First Responders. Those are, in order, the city, the county, then the State. At best, FEMA is the fourth responder. That’s how it was then and still is by the necessity of time and logistics. No one in NO up to the Governor seemed to have a disaster plan, not one they activated, anyway.

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
July 19, 2021 5:53 am

False, FEMA plays no role in pre-emergency evacuations.
Your hatred of all things Republican is causing you to hallucinate again.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  MarkW
July 19, 2021 8:04 am

Indeed, FEMA’s official remit at the time was to respond within 3 days after the incident to provide support. They are not, and never were, the first line of defense.

MarkW
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
July 19, 2021 8:31 am

If memory serves, FEMA was on the ground in NO after just two days.

Duane
Reply to  Duker
July 19, 2021 9:31 am

False – the mayor of N.O. refused to order an evacuation before Katrina hit, as did the Democrat governor of Louisiana – despite Bush 43 pleading with them both to evacuate the coastal areas.

The devastation in New Orleans was not caused by FEMA. It was caused by decades of corrupt mismanagement of the New Orleans levy system by entrenched Democrats. The winds that hit N.O. were merely Cat 1 strength, vastly less than the Cat 4 and Cat 5 winds that hit Mississippi, Alabama, and panhandle Florida, yet New Orleans lost almost 6 thousand killed while but a couple hundred died combined in MS/AL/FL despite the fact that those three states suffered far stronger winds and vastly higher storm surge than Louisiana.

The difference was the non-corrupt, non-incompetent governments in those three GOP controlled states, vs. the totally corrupt, totally incompetent Dem controlled Louisiana in 2005.

KcTaz
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 19, 2021 3:13 am

Tom, I think that was Nagan, the black Mayor of NO, who did that. I know he did but it could have been both. As I recall, Nagan ended up going to prison. I believe corruption was among the charges.

Rich Davis
Reply to  KcTaz
July 19, 2021 3:49 am

Ray Nagin
He was released 3 years early due to Covid.

Rah
Reply to  KcTaz
July 19, 2021 6:40 am

Ghost employees on the city payroll. Lots of them, including disaster management and first responders. That was Nagan’s “Chocolate City”.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 19, 2021 3:38 am

New in September, better is the question.

Gregg Eshelman
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 18, 2021 10:12 pm

New Orleans had a disaster plan written not long after 9/11. The mayor in 2005 steadfastly refused to follow a word of it. One strategy was to use all the city and school buses for evacuation. Instead, the mayor had them all parked in the depot where they were damaged or destroyed by flooding and had people who hadn’t left pack into the football stadium. A teenager broke into the depot and took one bus to his neighborhood to collect residents then drove them to Texas. Kid should’ve received a medal for good thinking and heroism. Being a Democrat, the mayor did everything he could think of to make the disaster worse, to blame Republican President George W. Bush.

Duker
Reply to  Gregg Eshelman
July 19, 2021 12:34 am

Hardly any drivers remained

KcTaz
Reply to  Duker
July 19, 2021 3:57 am

Oh, please. You are saying that all the bus drivers left town before the hurricane hit and all those other people stayed? Whatever the bus drivers did, or did not do, they were all parked where they’d get flooded and that’s on the Mayor as is the fact that not one bus was used except by that quick thinking teen who got people out before Katrina hit. As I recall, they could have used the Catholic school’s buses but no politician would give them immunity from prosecution and liability as their insurance didn’t cover them in for transporting non-students.
Besides, the Mayor was one of the first people to hightail it out of there. He wasn’t even around to give orders and the Governor was beyond worthless.

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
July 19, 2021 5:55 am

It doesn’t take much training to drive a school bus.

Rud Istvan
July 18, 2021 6:21 pm

Been watching this predictable CF. (An acronym abbreviation you can figure out.)
So, the EFAS provided very accurate torrential rain predictions four days in advance. (EFAS was formed after the last such disaster, precisely to prevent the next.) Their accurate warnings were not promulgated at all in Germany.
So, the German river tributary flood dams were full, and there were NO anticipatory water release draw downs despite the urgent warning in an abnormally wet German summer.
So, Merkel’s incompetence she blames on climate change. RIGHT—NOT.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 18, 2021 10:02 pm

It is my understanding countries adjacent to Germany took necessary precautions. Correct?

KcTaz
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 19, 2021 4:03 am

Rud, that seems to be what happened. Merkel and her NWO, CAGW pals are too busy figuring out how to take over and rule the world and tell every human what they may and may not think and speak and have and not have and do and collecting as much money as they can off the CAGW scam to be bothered with mundane stuff like actually doing their jobs competently, or at all, it seems.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 19, 2021 7:52 am

Rumor has it that the Navy is officially highly averse to swearing and foul language, at least at the upper echelons. So, the “CF” situation is referred to as a “Charlie Fox”.

More to the heart of notification, my town has available a “reverse 911” system. You put you home phone, or cell phone numbers into the system, and if there is a town-wide emergency or other notification, they call out with the information.

Steve Oregon
July 18, 2021 6:32 pm

Public officials and bureaucrats everywhere are becoming irresponsible, nitwits too busy being activists or just lazy to be doing what they should.
The lack of consequences emboldens them.

Scissor
Reply to  Steve Oregon
July 18, 2021 7:29 pm

Dr, Anthony Fauci remains the highest paid federal official in the U.S.

It appears that he deserves most of the blame for hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of dollars wasted and lives ruined just in the U.S. If his AIDS fiasco emboldened him and led to COVID, I hate to imagine what is next.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Scissor
July 18, 2021 10:31 pm

Little Tony, the mask man, is the biggest mass murderer in US history!
I bet Bai Den or the DemoKKKrats will nominate him for a Nobel Prize! Without his unstinting labors, the bid to overthrow the Trump Presidency might have failed in spite of the huge amount of voter fraud! And they only had to kill or ruin a few hundred thousand or so! What a deal!

Simon
Reply to  Scissor
July 18, 2021 11:29 pm

How is Fauci responsible for the deaths? I’ll look forward to this answer.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 1:56 am

How is Fauci responsible for the deaths? I’ll look forward to this answer.

Well I know, and I’m not involved or particularly knowledgeable, that he wrote papers stating that certain drugs were very effective against covid viruses. During the latest covid infections, he quite clearly changed his tune and stated, again clearly, that these very same drugs were not only useless against covid viruses, but dangerous.

Following his new advice seems to have caused many deaths.

Simon
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
July 19, 2021 1:03 pm

OK so which drugs did he promote that turned out to be useless?

Graemethecat
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 3:38 am

Gain-of function research subcontracted to Wuhan through Eco Health?

MarkW
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 19, 2021 5:57 am

The funding of which was completely against US law, which is why he’s working so hard to hide his connection to it.

Scissor
Reply to  MarkW
July 19, 2021 10:19 am

Exactly right Mark.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 19, 2021 1:05 pm

The funding of which was completely against US law”
Reference for that please (make it up ) Mark. Given your enthusiasm for creative writing, you will excuse my reluctance to accept something just because you say it.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 19, 2021 10:45 pm

So no reference, another fake story from “Make it up Mark.”

Simon
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 19, 2021 1:03 pm

Yawn. Nothing at all unusual about that.

KcTaz
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 4:17 am

When Trump was shutting down travel between the US and China and, later, with Europe, Fauci was speaking out against his doing that. That’s one way.
Another is his funding the Wuhan Lab despite the Obama Adm. shutting it down in the US and writing a rule that no funding for gain of funtion research would be done without prior authorization, which neither Fauci nor anyone else ever got when they started funding the lab via Peter Daszak (EcoHealth Alliance),Baric, among others.
Then, there’s this.
HUGE EXCLUSIVE: US Dr. Ralph Baric Was Reviewing Moderna’s and Dr. Fauci’s Coronavirus Vaccine in December 2019! — What’s Going On?
https://bit.ly/3xTkjDL
February 28, 2021
Then, there’s crazy stuff like this.
48/100: 2017: Anthony Fauci, Scientific Board member of the @gatesfoundation, stated at Georgetown University: there’ll be a surprise-pandemic outbreak during the Trump presidency.

In hindsight: Marvelous forecasting skills, all Gates-affiliates share.

archive.is/6EZ6y
You can read this which has a whole lot more if Twitter hasn’t deleted it by now.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1377391696250478593.html

Simon
Reply to  KcTaz
July 19, 2021 1:10 pm

When Trump was shutting down travel between the US and China and, later, with Europe, Fauci was speaking out against his doing that. “
But he didn’t stop the travel so no lives lost there.

“Another is his funding the Wuhan Lab despite the Obama Adm. shutting it down in the US and writing a rule that no funding for gain of funtion research would be done without prior authorization, which neither Fauci nor anyone else ever got when they started funding the lab via Peter Daszak (EcoHealth Alliance),Baric, among others.”

Reference for that please. And not some nutter right wing blog.

“HUGE EXCLUSIVE: US Dr. Ralph Baric Was Reviewing Moderna’s and Dr. Fauci’s Coronavirus Vaccine in December 2019! — What’s Going On?”
Oh dear a right wing nutter site.

48/100: 2017: Anthony Fauci, Scientific Board member of the @gatesfoundation, stated at Georgetown University: there’ll be a surprise-pandemic outbreak during the Trump presidency.

rbabcock
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 5:09 am

Very early on no one was responsible other than the Chinese for letting it out of the lab. It does take a few months to figure out what the virus is and how it was causing so much damage to certain groups of individuals. But doctors around the world were trying different approaches to treating it and certain drugs proved to be effective, especially if used early, right after diagnosis. HCQ and Ivermectin were the first ones and some others have surfaced.

What Fauci and others did here in the US (and it still continues) was prohibit any therapeutic treatment.. period. If you got Covid, you were (are in some areas) told to go home and wait it out. If things get bad, go to the hospital. For a lot of people, that is a death sentence.

Plenty of solid studies came out fairly early about the efficacy of HCQ first and Ivermectin second, both as a prophylactic and for early treatment that shortened the length of time and severity of the disease. These had real numbers behind them that these drugs worked, yet Fauci supported Pharma, blocked use and did studies that were constructed to fail to explicitly keep these drugs from being used. Tens of thousands of people have died unnecessarily from these actions and quite frankly this should go down as one of the biggest criminal acts in history. Fauci and others have been the driving force behind these actions and are the people who should be held responsible.

To this day curatives are being blocked and discounted. In a lot of cases, you are better served to be in a third world country.

Timo, not that one
Reply to  rbabcock
July 19, 2021 7:21 am

rbabcock – Absolutely perfect explanation. Thank you for typing it out so concisely.
I would also add that the lockdown measures have killed four times more people than than the CCP virus, in the under age 65 in Canada, based on an analysis by Statistics Canada:
https://tnc.news/2021/07/18/lockdowns-killed-more-canadians-under-65-than-covid-19-statscan/
Seems like murder to me, and Statistics Canada says there are more deaths to come from continuing effects of lockdown.
Time will come for Nuremberg style trials.

Simon
Reply to  rbabcock
July 19, 2021 1:13 pm

HCQ does not work against covid. Never has End of story. If it did they would have grabbed it. Why you guys keep banging on about it is bizarre. The fact that no reasonable doctor is prescribing it now should be enough to convince you. And now we have very effective vaccines and the right are urging people not to have it. The word has gone crazy.

rbabcock
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 3:30 pm

There are plenty of studies showing it works, especially if it is prescribed early. Try doing a little research. One of many- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297521000792

Abolition Man
Reply to  Simon
July 20, 2021 11:04 am

Simon Simpleton,
Do you spend a lot of time picking cherries or is it just a hobby for you! While some KNOWLEDGABLE people might quibble about HCQ being less effective than ivermectin, the real experts; the doctors treating patients in France, Texas and numerous other places, report that it is quite beneficial when used early and properly! I know that saving lives is of NO interest to a person like you, but some of us think it’s important!

Simon
Reply to  Abolition Man
July 20, 2021 12:32 pm

Saving lives??? What a laugh. Pity the last president din’t try harder.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Simon
July 20, 2021 10:47 am

Simon,
Once again you show your ignorance to be limitless! Are you paid by the ChiComs or the drug companies!?
The meta analysis of HCQ shows a 65% decrease in harmful outcomes when used PROPERLY!! I know that is a difficult one for you to wrap your head around, but that’s what the scientific studies show! When it is NOT used according to recommended protocols it is not effective. Surprise,surprise! Even Li’ Tony Fauxi wrote about its effectiveness against viruses in a 1998 medical text!
The FACT that ivermectin and HCQ use as therapeutics was suppressed by Fauxi and others led to hundreds of thousands of needless deaths! I guess you think those deaths were justified in order to get the EUAs for the mRNA “treatments” now killing and injuring people in record numbers! You have blood on YOUR hands for your continued ignorant rantings about the Wuhan virus! You don’t seem to have any shame; which, coupled with such a high level of ignorance, makes you a danger to mankind! You’re just the usual run-of-the-mill fascist totalitarian!

Simon
Reply to  Abolition Man
July 20, 2021 12:34 pm

The fact you can’t even use the Virus’s proper name shows the limit of both your knowledge and intellectual capacity. Yawn.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Simon
July 21, 2021 4:25 am

Simon the Simpleton,
The fact that you cannot distinguish humor and sarcasm merely adds to the mounting evidence that you, like most leftards, have no sense of humor! Did you have it removed when you got your lobotomy, or was it a birth defect?

TonyG
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 11:10 am

“I’ll look forward to ignoring this answer” – FIFY

spangled drongo
July 18, 2021 6:36 pm

We had a similar situation develop here 10 years ago and the people in charge of the specially designed prevention system were not just not paying attention, they were completely MIA. I could see the dam fuses about to blow but couldn’t find anyone who would listen. Eventually they got the message but they had to drown half the countryside with a huge dump to prevent the even bigger disaster of the dam collapsing. 10 years on and those responsible still haven’t been held accountable.

Public “servants” are amazing people.

Mr.
Reply to  spangled drongo
July 18, 2021 8:05 pm

Wivenhoe?

spangled drongo
Reply to  Mr.
July 19, 2021 3:45 am

You got it.

Bellman
July 18, 2021 6:45 pm

Where exactly does it say that Merkel claimed “We Weren’t Warned”?
The only person quoted in the article as saying that is Zinat Hamsoro.

Antonis Christofides
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2021 7:22 pm

Eric, the title of the article says ‘Merkel falsely claims” “We Weren’t Warned”’. The meaning of ‘claims “we weren’t warned”‘ is clear in English, and it’s very different from “does not disavow they weren’t warned”.

Of course Merkel will avoid any discussion about whether they’ve been warned. Of course she’ll blame climate change. This does not make ‘claims “we weren’t warned”‘ true. The claim she claimed “we weren’t warned” is false, and by writing such falsehoods we give food to those who call us deniers.

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Antonis Christofides
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2021 8:24 pm

No. You are suggesting that Merkel falsely claimed “we weren’t warned”. It’s in the title of the article.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Antonis Christofides
July 18, 2021 8:59 pm

Yes, she comes off looking much more competent, if she WAS WARNED and was still incapable of performing any meaningful actions!

/sarc off

Loydo
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 19, 2021 1:03 am

‘sorry for any confusion”

Sorry for getting called out for making up misleading, activist clickbait, again, you mean.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Loydo
July 19, 2021 4:01 am

Oh Loy, way to deflect.

Now the discussion is about what a blogger wrote instead of whether Merkel is just negligent or complicit in a crime.

MarkW
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 19, 2021 6:00 am

You expect Loydo or Simon to actually present arguments and defend their positions?

Reply to  MarkW
July 19, 2021 7:15 am

How would they present arguments if there are none ? 😀

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
July 19, 2021 6:00 am

Fascinating how when your side screws up, it’s just a mistake.
However when someone you disagree with screws up it’s because they are evil and want people to suffer.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Loydo
July 19, 2021 7:57 am

So a fella ‘fesses up to getting it wrong, puts an update in the head post, and you act like a dick. Well, in your case it’s not acting.

meab
Reply to  Loydo
July 19, 2021 8:14 am

LoyD’oh, you get called out for making up and/or parroting misleading climate activist propaganda all the time yet you never issue a mea culpa. That’s the difference between an honest person and you.

Loydo
Reply to  meab
July 19, 2021 11:02 pm

Parroting, misleading, dishonesty. Provide one example or stfu.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2021 9:26 pm

I must say that I did not understand the ‘we’ to be the government, but the German volk – i.e. the people were not warned.

Derg
Reply to  Bellman
July 18, 2021 6:57 pm

“We must get faster in the battle against climate change,” Merkel said, pointing to policies already set in motion by Germany and the European Union to cut greenhouse gas emissions. “And nevertheless, the second lesson is that we must pay great attention to adaptation” to climate change.

Typical politician who has been running things for a long time. “Look squirrel!”

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Bellman
July 18, 2021 7:11 pm

Where exactly does it say that Merkel claimed “We Weren’t Warned”?

Pretty obvious, really:

“It happened so fast, and we weren’t warned,” she said Sunday

Edit:
OK, mea culpa, that was Zinat Hamsoro who said that.

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dk_
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2021 9:24 pm

No disrespect, Eric, but the misquote is in the title/headline of the post. The text itself is pretty much as you originally intended, and subsequently well clarified. But the title is still in error.

As it is, the claim of negligence is substantiated by other articles and posts, just not the statement presented as a quote in the title.

‘Merkel falsely blames slow “fight” against climate change” for government failure’ might be a little closer to the information presented. But it has been a very long time since I wrote a printable headline.

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LdB
July 18, 2021 6:55 pm

The real humour is lets say Germany was net zero right now would it have changed the result … you know the obvious answer NO.

The true believers can claim it is going to get worse but right now they aren’t even dealing with allegedly slightly worse and according to there own bible they have 70 years ahead to go.

ResourceGuy
July 18, 2021 7:01 pm

Did she get technical help in deflection methods during her Biden visit?

Duker
Reply to  ResourceGuy
July 19, 2021 12:46 am

Masterclasses in deflection from the 4yrs of meeting Trump

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
July 19, 2021 6:02 am

Do you charge Trump rent for the space he’s taking up in your head?

CNN can’t quit Trump, and neither can any of the other leftists.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
July 19, 2021 11:04 am

They are all afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome. The mere mention of the name drives them over the edge. They don’t like guys like Trump who destroy their socialist delusions.

Abolition Man
Reply to  MarkW
July 20, 2021 11:12 am

MarkW,
Trump Derangement Syndrome, like many other leftist delusional states, is one of the consequences of having a weak, easily programmable mind! The lies and propaganda are inserted into a soft, pliable subject; then they become almost irreversible!
After all, if leftists could think for themselves, many would soon stop being leftists!

Bill
July 18, 2021 7:08 pm

Are those DUMBS cleaned out now?

John in Oz
July 18, 2021 7:15 pm

The climastrologists have been warning us for 40 years that the weather was going to get ‘worse than we thought’ yet there is little to no additional mitigation efforts to handle the numerous disasters they have been warning of.

Abrogation of responsibility is SOE for politicians.

E.g., Australia recently had a Covid transfer via a limo driver who was not required to be vaccinated. One of the members of the board assigned to make the rules on this issue stated that they were not told that limo drivers were not included in the plans, therefore they could not be held responsible.

Leo Smith
Reply to  John in Oz
July 18, 2021 9:30 pm

The point is that absolutely every single advocate of climate change at government level knows it’s bunk. It is only there to justfiy selling more resource hungry green product to dumb consumers.Ergo since it is only virtue signalling fraud, why would they take palliative action for something they know isn’t happening?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Leo Smith
July 19, 2021 2:00 am

The point is that absolutely every single advocate of climate change at government level knows it’s bunk.

I’m not sure that this is true. I believe that they don’t care whether or not it’s bunk, but they are more than happy to use it as an excuse for two very important reasons:

1. It allows them to avoid responsibility completely.

2. It allows them to justify more taxes.

It’s an absolute win/win.

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dk_
July 18, 2021 7:19 pm

Who has the “duty of care” in a socialist (or any) bureaucracy? Unless there is a convenient scapegoat, or opponent, no one will be blamed, but a new arm of the bureaucracy may be born, and present ones will get bigger budgets and more staffing.

markl
July 18, 2021 7:40 pm

AGW/CC will remain the whipping boy for natural disasters until the people tire of the exaggerations, realize the claims are scaremongering, or time proves them wrong. Media control of the narrative can prevail only so long.

waza
July 18, 2021 7:44 pm

My Thoughts on possible outcomes ( based on my experience as an Australian engineer experienced in flood mitigation)

Consider two scenarios , but firstly need to know drainage and flooding in Germany is mostly responsibility of states (Lander) with local drainage the responsibility of municipalities.

Scenario #1 – A high intensity local storm leads to driver drowning on flooded road.
In this scenario the courts will go after the municipality and specifically target the role played by council engineers.

Scenario #2 – A large basin wide storm that impacts multiple Lander and municipalities causing multiple drowning deaths at various locations. In this case leaders of Landers and Municipalities will seek to claim a common culprit (say climate change) that the community as a whole needs to fix. The families of victims may still be compensated, but from everyone’s taxes. Individual incidents will not be investigated.

I suspect Scenario #2 will occur.

waza
Reply to  waza
July 18, 2021 7:52 pm

There are similar parallels to Australian bushfires.
If individual fires can be blamed on a single culprit such as fires started by a faulty powerline then sue the power authority.
But WRT to lack of clearing across multiple jurisdictions, it is only discussed broadly ” we need to do better…”.
Individual Municipalities are not investigated for their lack of action.

Duker
Reply to  waza
July 19, 2021 12:58 am

Lack of action isn’t a direct cause of a fire, in places that are high busk fire risk. Sure the ignition point sometimes be found, but a fire can spread in various ways due to wind mostly and a local authority may not have a duty to prevent fires from spreading other than through building code

Waza
Reply to  Duker
July 19, 2021 2:13 am

Duker
section 43 of the Country Fire Authority Act is an explicit example of legislation in Victoria, Australia. There are many others. Victorian municipalities also have planning exemptions to remove vegetation – they just don’t use it.

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/cfaa1958292/s43.html.

My point is that government authorities band together to avoid putting the spotlight on this type of “ general “ legislation.

Vincent
July 18, 2021 7:46 pm

This current situation in Germany reminds me of a similar situation in Australia in 2011 when large parts of the country experienced devastating flooding. The city of Brisbane has experienced a major flood every few decades for the past 150 years or so. You would think the Queensland state government would have solved the problem by now. The 2011 flood was described as the worst on record, at the time. However, the BOM records show it was the 7th worst on record.

The major dam near Brisbane is the Wivenhoe dam, which is also supposed to be a ‘flood mitigation’ dam. However, because the flooding was preceded by a long drought which caused a severe water shortage, the operators of the dam were reluctant to release water even after the BOM had predicted heavy rain, so the dam could no longer operate as a ‘flood mitigation’ dam when the rains arrived.

A expensive law suit has been going on ever since, accusing the operators of incompetence.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/brisbane-floods-wivenhoe-dam-class-action-win-payout-queensland/13196490

waza
Reply to  Vincent
July 18, 2021 8:19 pm

Vincent
Thanks for the article.

Mr.
Reply to  Vincent
July 18, 2021 8:35 pm

One account that I read at the time reported that the dam operators / technicians kept checking up the chain of command for political approval to start releasing water, and with the deluge continuing unabated and the resultant massive inflow of water, a critical 24 hours of inaction ensued, and the rest was the disaster that ensued.

This situation need not have occurred if the Qld government had not changed the charter of the Wivenhoe dame from flood mitigation to backup water storage / supply for Brisbane.

Politicians / bureaucrats again meddling in areas they have no expertise in.

Duker
Reply to  Mr.
July 19, 2021 1:09 am

The control was transferred to Brisbane water board in early 80s, not Seq Water. Without knowing much more I would say water supply provides more revenue than flood control so the new corporate body just followed the money

TonyG
Reply to  Mr.
July 19, 2021 11:24 am

“the dam operators / technicians kept checking up the chain of command for political approval”

Nobody wants to take responsibility for the decision.

That’s why I maintain that a Carringon Event would have severe consequences. Everyone says “They’ll know it’s coming so they’ll shut down the grid in time” but as evidenced above, nobody will want the responsibility. Who wants the be the person who said “shut down the entire state” and it turned out it wasn’t necessary?

Robert Alfred Taylor
Reply to  TonyG
July 19, 2021 5:26 pm

The ones who shut down their countries without necessity because of Covid-19?

Loydo
Reply to  Vincent
July 19, 2021 1:06 am

“The 2011 flood was described as the worst on record”

It was the worst economically. No one claimed it was the highest.

Vincent
Reply to  Loydo
July 19, 2021 3:03 am

I can’t remember, but I do remember that the flood was associated with man-made climate change, and there was no clarification in the media that ‘worst on record’ meant only the worst economically.

I also remember that during the drought that preceded the flooding, there was a lot of climate disinformation claiming that the drought would become the norm because of climate change and that there was not much point in building more dams. Instead, a lot of money was spent on desalination plants which were used only briefly during the drought, and then put into hybernation when the rains arrived.

Drake
Reply to  Loydo
July 19, 2021 4:10 pm

Thanks for the links to the government releases and media articles backing up your statements.

I always enjoy learning so much from your provided links.

KcTaz
Reply to  Vincent
July 19, 2021 4:28 am

Vincent, your article says it’s partially settled, sort of. Seqwater has appealed.
“The action alleged dam operators were negligent in failing to use rainfall forecasts in making decisions about operating strategies, and failed to preserve a reasonable amount of the dams’ storage capacity in order to protect urban areas from inundation.
“This settlement is a very welcome development that we hope will bring some much-needed closure to our clients, who have had to endure significant uncertainty and frustration while the defendants fought this case at every turn,” she said.
“Of course, complete closure can only happen for our clients when Seqwater also settles or Seqwater’s appeal is finalised.
“The class will continue to vigorously fight Seqwater’s appeal, buoyed by today’s substantial settlement reached with the other two defendants…”

Vincent
Reply to  KcTaz
July 19, 2021 5:05 am

That’s true. The case has been going on for years, and is still not settled. It’s ridiculous! The previous major flood was in 1974. As a result of the 1974 flood, the Wivenhoe ‘flood mitigation’ dam was built so that houses that were washed away during the 1974 flood could be safely rebuilt. Initially, the rebuilding of the houses was not allowed.

During the drought that preceded the 2011 flood, a number of dam proposals that could have significantly reduced the effects of the 2011 floods, were rejected. What incompetence!

DMacKenzie
July 18, 2021 7:59 pm

Not likely the major cause with this heavy rainfall in Germany….but new developments tend to eliminate water holding areas and divert runoff to locations that cause flooding further downhill. So increased flood threats occur even if rainfall is entirely consistent, and local governments should always plan on needing to enhance their 20 year or older water diversion infrastructure simply due to population increase. Failure to do so is more of a sign of inadequate planning than CC….

Shoki Kaneda
July 18, 2021 8:18 pm

She’s just buying time to determine who they are going to throw under the bus.

Duker
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
July 19, 2021 1:12 am

Her party’s replacement for her job as national leader is the regional premier of the flood ravaged area.. their will be serious buck passing coming up

Lrp
July 18, 2021 8:40 pm

I know one word: blitzkrieg

Gary Pearse
July 18, 2021 8:41 pm

How could the railway station crumble in ruins and smashed railway cars be lying on the tracks? The station must have been already to fall down. Negligence and incompetence is widespread – nevermind the rain/flood.

Lack of preparedness is even more inexcusable if you are a climate crisis zealot! I’ve also noticed the plague of incompetence in affairs like banking, and other services closer to home. This is a product of the great dumbing down. Everyone expects a good salary for doing a lousy job.

“She said the force of the storms suggested they had “something to do with climate change,” adding, “We have to hurry, we have to get faster in the fight against climate change.”

Do you see the helplessness of even the head of state. She’s almost hysterical. Who is she expecting to run in and fix climate change? Recall the image in the minds of the ‘experts’ regarding coastal flooding from sea level rise. Talking about moving people back as if people will stand there until the sea starts running into their nostrils. I always point out Amsterdam is 2m below sealevel and everyone is fine!

They don’t want to act. They want to use disasters as propaganda. They dont want to pre-empt forest fires by cleaning up the tangle of branches and deadfall. A conflagration is good press for global warming. If things don’t happen soon enough, there’s already a platoon of arsonists to speed things up.

saveenergy
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 19, 2021 12:29 am

“How could the railway station crumble in ruins and smashed railway cars be lying on the tracks? The station must have been already to fall down.”

You’ve obviously never experienced the pent-up energy of millions of tons of water traveling at 30mph, loaded with 1,000s of tons of trees, cars, houses, rocks … think small atom bomb (without the radiation).

Tom Abbott
Reply to  saveenergy
July 19, 2021 11:14 am

Think oo the tsumani in Japan. The water was relentless.

I have a creek right near my house that is normally only a few feet deep and the creek is not very wide, but sometimes when it would flood, the creek would become a raging river and at one time, there were 100-year-old elm trees washing down this creek during the flood, and I stood there on the high ground and watched those huge trees, thinking they were hung up in the branches of the trees lining the banks, and you could hear the wood creaking and cracking and finally, in a few minutes, the force of the water would break those huge trees loose and down the creek they would go, minus a few large branches.

Flood water is very powerful.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  saveenergy
July 20, 2021 4:55 am

Fair enough. I’m from the land of big hydro (Quebec electrifies a swathe of NE US including NYC). I visualized big German stone and steel RRwy stations and no dam breach.

Jimmy Walter
July 18, 2021 8:59 pm

Con(woman) Rice said the same thing about 911 when they had plenty of warning, including books and movies about it coming (not that I believe the official story, but they were “forewarned” by their intelligence services).

Duker
Reply to  Jimmy Walter
July 19, 2021 1:26 am

Pearl Harbour was ‘predicted’ by the previous Admiral in charge too…forewarned isn’t forearmed

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
July 19, 2021 6:07 am

Intelligence was indicating that an attack was coming. Most analysts assumed that the attack would be in the Philippines.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Jimmy Walter
July 19, 2021 2:07 am

including books and movies about it coming

Watch “Wrong is Right” starring Sean Connery. It’s so prophetic it’s stunning. The target was even the world trade centre, and the false scapegoat was a middle Eastern leader. It’s also quite a good film.

MarkW
Reply to  Jimmy Walter
July 19, 2021 6:06 am

That’s a common lie spread by the left. There was a warning about terrorists wanting to use planes. Most experts assumed that this meant a potential hijacking. There was no indication of when or where the attack would occur.

bonbon
July 18, 2021 9:55 pm

https://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/en/funding/solidarity-fund/
This EU fund was set up after the Elbe flood disaster of 2002 which everyone seems to have forgotten, in the middle of an election cycle, like right now.
Let us see if this fund can operate outside Maastricht’s Stability Pact, which then-Chancellor Schroeder said prevented adequate reconstruction funds.

Duker
Reply to  bonbon
July 19, 2021 1:29 am

That’s what I have been saying…these floods are a common/decadel occurrence from Paris to Warsaw…only the location varies each decade, but the meteorological conditions are the same

Redge
July 18, 2021 10:12 pm

We seem to get plenty of warning from weather forecasters before these things happen.

The issue as I see it is the growth in urbanisation and the lack of forethought into where surface water will go.

When you add in the amount of money the UK spends on social “issues” instead of maintaining rivers, canals, etc, it’s clear we have our priorities wrong. As an example, one local council in the UK paid to have all the road signs translated into Polish to make Polish settlers feel welcome. I don’t have an issue with immigrants, they must, however, learn English if they wish to stay.

But then it’s so much easier to blame climate change than allocate resources properly

Virtue signalling is far more glamourous than cleaning out the drains.

To bed B
July 18, 2021 10:16 pm

If the climatologists were right, why didn’t someone like Merkel listen to the science and prepare for the floods? Could it be that the science said to build more wind turbines?

Michael S. Kelly
July 18, 2021 10:34 pm

Alexandria’s frail infrastructure, particularly its drainage systems…”

Alexandria was founded about 2,352 years ago. Why in the world would it have a “frail infrastructure,” and lack of drainage systems by now? I get it that some people don’t want to rush into things, but…2,352 years? C’mon, man!

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Duker
Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
July 19, 2021 1:34 am

City is sinking, it backs onto an acient lake and was once a Nile Delta outlet nearby

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
July 19, 2021 2:09 am

I think you may be in de Nile….

July 18, 2021 10:37 pm

The Ahr flooded catastrophically in 1804 and 1910.
1910 +106 = 2016 (five years off)
Climate change?
Don’t think so…

Duker
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 19, 2021 1:41 am

Yes a classic 1 in 100 yr flood or more correctly 1% annual probability….however a 2% AEP which is 1 in 50 yr is very close size

Rich Davis
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 19, 2021 11:22 am

But you see, if there’s a flood anywhere else on the planet in the next few years (hell, anything less than 100 years from now), that will be proof positive to griff and the other trolls that climate change has made floods more likely.

Events that actually k!lled many more people back in the 1970s for example in Bangladesh or China, went largely unnoticed in the West because there was no agenda served at the time. Nobody cared if a bunch of brown or yellow devils died. There’s a population bomb after all.

They’re so dishonest that they deftly turn 180 degrees from talking about how climate change is causing drought in Germany to climate change is causing floods. In the same country, months apart. Not the slightest embarrassment or cognitive dissonance.

You see, the ultra-abstract “climate change” can be blamed for anything at all without any apparent logical discrepancy. Just be careful to keep it abstract!

After all, if it’s sunny one day and rainy the next, that’s change. Just tack on “climate”. Then claim that since humans are causing CO2 emissions, therefore humans are responsible for climate change. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

No need for a physical explanation. No concern if any physical explanation given during one event would contradict the effects claimed in the next event.

If anyone complains that the lack of logical consistency shows a political motivation, just turn around and claim that the person asking for logical consistency is the one with a political agenda.

Harri Luuppala
July 18, 2021 10:59 pm

Germany Y2006, after 2002 flood: ” it was recognized that floodplains had been reduced to one third of their original extent in Germany and to 10 to 20% along large rivers and should thus be reactivated;”
http://www.ecologyandsociety.org/vol21/iss2/art51/

griff
Reply to  Harri Luuppala
July 19, 2021 12:39 am

Well the Dutch town which flooded had had a restored flood plain and millions of Euros of flood defences after a 1990 flood…

And there is no flood plain reinstatement on earth which would have coped with 2 months rain in 48 hours.

The villages and towns damaged have been there for centuries. Those buildings are mostly not new. They have flood defences, they have not been hit like this in living memory and beyond… The dams have withstood up to a century (or more) of winter flooding…

This is about an exceptional rainfall, an exceptional climate change caused disaster.

Hans Erren
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 1:51 am

De biggest damage happened in Valkenburg, which was on a Meuse tributary the Geul. The Meuse valley damage was minimal thanks to the works carried out after the nineties’floods. Facts griff, facts.
And the Ahr river in Germany floods <b>every</b> century, so this was a disaster waiting to happen.

And why do you think flood plains are called “flood” plains?

MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 6:10 am

The mere fact that there have been bigger floods in the same area in the past means nothing to griff, because the sacred models have declared that this flood was caused by CO2. (Despite the fact that the model makes have proclaimed that the models are worthless for regional forecasts, much less local ones.)

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 11:25 am

Hey Griff, a couple of days ago, we had 5 inches of rainfall in one day. We handled it just fine. How may inches dropped in Germany? How exceptional was it?

Rich Davis
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 11:34 am

You’re impervious to evidence griff.

In which time period would you prefer to live your life?

[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025
[__] Really nice CO2 1325-1345
When the actual biggest flood occurred in 1392.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 3:55 pm

Griff talking about a Dutch town, on a flood plain, flooding! Too funny! Hey Griff, what is another name for Holland/Netherlands? Why it’s Pays-Bas which means “low lands”.

Antonis Christofides
July 18, 2021 11:20 pm

Eric, thanks for fixing the title. I really appreciate that.

To answer your questions about the notification of people via Facebook: A few years ago there was a forest fire in Attica, Greece, which engulfed a village and killed about 100 people. The opposition party organized a great talk by a professor who explained what happened and what could have been done differently. He did not blame anyone; his purpose was to identify why the system failed and what procedures should be established to avoid such failure in similar future cases. (The leader of the opposition was present at the talk, and next year he became Prime Minister, and when he went to the world climate conference he used that fire and its death toll as an example of an effect of climate change, but this is another story.)

Anyway, I learnt a lot by watching that talk. Notifying citizens is the Civil Protection Agency’s job. A common and effective way of notifying is SMS. However, even if you don’t have a notification mechanism in place, just making a decision is way better than doing nothing. If you make a decision to, e.g., evacuate an area, the news people will pick it up and broadcast it, and it will reach the residents via television and word of mouth.

I don’t believe the city council is responsible for such action. I’m guessing here, but if Civil Protection didn’t do its job, the city council might decide to warn people, and since it’s not their normal job, it’s also OK that they don’t have a notification mechanism in place. They would have posted the warning on their web site, on their facebook page, and wherever else they could.

And, by the way, it’s not the government’s job either. Especially in a well-organized state like Germany, the government’s job should be to organize and help Civil Protection before a crisis, and stay out of its way during the crisis.

It’s a pity the German Civil Protection (and the German government) didn’t attend that talk.

More information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Attica_wildfires
The talk, in Greek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTPUEyNh7-0

MarkW
Reply to  Antonis Christofides
July 19, 2021 6:12 am

If the mayor calls the local media and informs them that the council is asking people to evacuate, I’m pretty sure the media will broadcast that announcement.

Even if they don’t have the authority to force an evacuation, telling people that they should evacuate would get a lot of them moving.

Vincent Causey
July 18, 2021 11:30 pm

They might as well have claimed that it was a punishment from God.

saveenergy
Reply to  Vincent Causey
July 19, 2021 12:32 am

That’s the std get-out clause.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  saveenergy
July 19, 2021 2:13 am

That’s the std get-out clause.

No, no, no.

The new standard get-out clause is CAGW. Just like the gods, it can’t be proven wrong, it absolves you of all responsibility, AND it lets you increase taxes!

george1st:)
July 18, 2021 11:32 pm

Look over there , its raining , its pouring , now its flooding .
Climate change is killing us all
Climate change is fast , we couldn’t possibly have evacuated .
Merkel will print some more Deutschmarks and be a hero .

Reply to  george1st:)
July 19, 2021 3:44 am

Nope, Euros

griff
July 19, 2021 12:35 am

Germany hasn’t seen flooding like this in centuries (and then it WAS climate change – onset of the Little Ice Age).

This flood was in summer, with record rainfall (record exceeded by 50% at Cologne)… unlike winter floods usually seen in the region it ripped through houses. In the Netherlands it flooded a town which had had millions of Euros of new flood defences after 1990 winter flooding.

The lesson Watts readers need to take from this is the truly exceptional timing and scale of the flooding, the truly exceptional amount of rainfall.

This is, unfortunately, exactly as predicted by climate science. With this happening in a N Hemisphere heatwave year, there’s no way this is ‘just weather’.

This is climate change as it affects N Europe and I think you all know it. Certainly every last German now does: climate skepticism died in Germany, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Belgium last week.

Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 1:16 am

Millions spent on flood defenses!!! We have the same in the UK. It just moves the flooding further along the river…

Davidf
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 2:00 am

Err – examine your first sentence, and have a good hard think.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 2:15 am

and then it WAS climate change – onset of the Little Ice Age

So….

Cold causes increased flooding!

And…

Warm causes increased flooding!

Way to have your cake and eat it!

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KcTaz
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
July 19, 2021 4:43 am

Thanks! I was wondering about how the LIA caused flooding and CAGW causes flooding, too. The answer is cake!

Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 3:47 am

Griff The river Ahr floods every century “like this” (1910, 1804), so why is this disaster climate change?

MarkW
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 19, 2021 6:14 am

Because this time griff has a religion to defend.

KcTaz
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 4:40 am

But per CAGW, there is also supposed to be great droughts. Maybe Merkel bet on the droughts part and ignored the rain part? Anyway, since Climate Change causes everything, it gets a tad difficult knowing what to plan for, but it does seem true believers should be planning for both and certainly not ignoring weather reports as seems to have been done here.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 6:14 am

When one lie doesn’t work, make it bigger.
Standard griff tactic.

There was nothing unusual about the amount of rainfall. Storms like that fall once or twice a decade in that region. It’s just that the actual location varies every time.

Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 7:24 am

Follow the history and you find serveral summer floods

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 10:29 am

The only thing “exceptional” is your ignorance. It is unusual, but still, it is just weather. Unusual weather happens all the time, always has, always will.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 11:31 am

“This is climate change as it affects N Europe and I think you all know it.”

No, we don’t know it. There is no evidence that CO2 had anything to do with this weather situation. You are just seeing what you want to see, not what is there.

In the United States, we have weather forcasters on every television channel, all day long, and if severe weather is coming, anyone watching tv will know about it.

Don’t Germans have television meterologists? Do Germans watch daily weather reports? How could they not know something unusual was coming their way?

Rich Davis
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 11:52 am

It’s starting to sound like griff is getting giddy with Schadenfreude, doesn’t it? Something that happens each century and will have worse effects when moronic regulations prevent proper precautions, seems like it can fool more people. The joy!

Self-contradiction is no problem for the propagandist. The onset of cold caused floods in the past, but now mirabile dictu, it’s global warming doing the deed! CO2 was not to blame back seven centuries but now it’s the whole cause!

Please griff, get a therapy appointment!

In which time period would you prefer to live your life?
[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025
[__] Really nice CO2 1325-1345

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2021 12:24 pm

Excellent Griff, glad to see you just admitted that there was a LIA and therefore the “hockey stick” is a fraud.

Glad to see you are coming around.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
July 19, 2021 2:26 pm

Five minutes from now he will deny the LIA if it suits the narrative. He will not blush.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
July 20, 2021 3:41 am

Haha, excellent! Inevitably, Griff has lost track of all his lies, and contradicts himself.

AlexBerlin
Reply to  griff
July 24, 2021 3:47 pm

Dresden 2002? In my books that’s 19 years ago, not “centuries”. And the last time I checked the city was still in what remains of Germany after two Allied invasions.

July 19, 2021 12:38 am

German floods caused by climate change?
How did that happen? Well, the dominant greenhouse gas H2O apparently changed phase, and all of it over parts of Germany suddenly came down as rain.

The German politicians concerned about CO2 should really get moving and introduce taxes on water vapour Taxing water will surely make the climate crisis go away (sarc warning)

Edim
July 19, 2021 12:39 am

Why do skeptics fall for the cheap Orwellian “climate change” trick? If you mean anthropogenic or man-made, say so. It’s climate change denial.

transferworks
July 19, 2021 12:52 am

Don’t think for one moment that germany’s Merkel the Jerkel et al has put an end to that country’s generational evil.

Rich Davis
Reply to  transferworks
July 19, 2021 12:15 pm

I think there’s something to be said for the theory that German culture is susceptible to believing in abstractions and acting on them unreasonably.

But that’s an unfair comment to call Germans evil. Individuals born decades after the end of WW2, can’t be blamed for their grandparents and great-grandparents actions.

July 19, 2021 1:25 am

I wonder if the German TV and radio stations were broadcasting flood warnings prior to these incidents?
In the UK, we only need a bit of very heavy rain forecast and the TV / internet weather forecast goes into overdrive to warn people about potential flooding in their areas.
I wonder to if the Germans have the equivalent of our river level warning system. I am sure they do.
UK here: https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/river-and-sea-levels

Peta of Newark
July 19, 2021 1:27 am

Here it is:
Quote:”And the biggest question, why did Merkel apparently expect someone to call her, to warn her? Why didn’t her government proactively monitor the situation, by maintaining daily contact with meteorologists and reaching out for up to date information”

See what’s there:

  • the very people pushing the thing..
  • the very people passing the laws
  • the very people raising the prices & taxes
  • the very people making the most noise about it all

all those people have tuned out. The incessant warnings warning warnings have been too much. They’ve all been wrong so far so why listen, why inflict ever more guilt inducing depressive finger-wagging noise upon yourself for no good reason?
Nobody is actually listening anymore. Nobody believes any more

Hence we see the over-reaction = a perfect case of :
The Lady Doth Protest Innocence a Little TOO Strongly

They give themselves away soooo clearly – as The Human Animal always does

Nice one Ma Nature – I luvs ya 2 bits
x

(The folks who perished were/are martyrs – carve their names in stone to mark a turning point)

PS
Re: The words
Patently nobody around here actually speaks English.
>English is universally understood by everyone everywhere at all times.

If, sometimes this does happen, a ‘misunderstanding’ occurs, the Great Joy of English is that you make yourself understood simply by speaking more loudly.

It Works Every Time
Except with The French – hence why we’re constantly at war…
and luvvin it 😀

Because that (the French) way you earn respect, Genuine Respect and thereafter, Shit Like Climate Change never gets a chance to proliferate and grow.
Its called a GSOH and is what EVERY girl is this world is looking and, by watching any dating site, they simply cannot find. any more

Hence why it is Ma Nature – not Mr Nature

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Rod Evans
July 19, 2021 1:30 am

In the spring of 2019, the UK midlands experienced heavy rainfall. It resulted in severe flooding of the Severn flood plain and its contributing water courses.
The scene and amount of water was biblical. It resembled an inland sea.
The prime cause of the devastation, was the failure to dredge the drainage and water courses over the previous 20 years. That failure to dredge was due to official EU rules and regulations that made dredging unaffordable. They had defined spoil from dredging as industrial waste that must consequently be paid for to dispose of it at controlled landfill. The prior habit of spreading dredge spoil on adjacent fields to the water course, was banned.
As this was the situation in the UK, I am wondering, was the failure to dredge and clear water courses in Germany, a contributing factor to the extent of the flooding and the speed at which the water rose?
I have friends who live in Dusseldorf, and hope they are safe..

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mark
July 19, 2021 3:00 am

blame on climate change?

this does not help their defense at all.

If you believe in disastrous weather events due to climate change, all the more reason to put in place effective severe weather warning and reaction systems.

Derg
Reply to  mark
July 19, 2021 3:36 am

Stop making sense…this is Merkel after all

Peter K
July 19, 2021 3:28 am

How can the weather forecasters predict the weather in 30 years time when than cannot predict the weather in 3 days time?

fretslider
Reply to  Peter K
July 19, 2021 3:50 am

State of the Art Models!

DonM
Reply to  Peter K
July 19, 2021 9:41 am

Because … you, and everyone else remember the 3 day prediction, and the errors. While 30 years out is either forgotten, or modified to 60 years out.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Peter K
July 19, 2021 11:13 am

Except they did!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/germany-knew-the-floods-were-coming-but-the-warnings-didnt-work-cn99wjxzs

“Over the next few days a team of scientists sent the German authorities a series of forecasts so accurate that they now read like a macabre prophecy: the Rhineland was about to be hit by “extreme” flooding, particularly along the Erft and Ahr rivers, and in towns such as Hagen and Altena.
Yet despite at least 24 hours’ warning that predicted, almost precisely, which districts would be worst afflicted when the rains came, the flood still caught many of its victims largely unawares.”

“How can the weather forecasters predict the weather in 30 years time”.

They cannot of course BUT they can give expected trends based on increasing energy in the climate system.

Thus:
It is far far easier to project the linear fit (climate) than the noise (weather) along it.
The trend of the fit rather than any point on the “noise”.
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Graemethecat
Reply to  Anthony Banton
July 20, 2021 3:45 am

You genuinely believe there is such a thing a a global temperature and a global climate?

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 20, 2021 6:24 am

In the sense that you can average out a GMST – yes.
And in the sense that is all that can be done with a reasonable amount of certainty at the moment.
Is it meaningful – Not other than that, and that’s it’s predicated on our Fossil carbon emissions and can be quantified as a metric going back to pre-industrial.
But as supercomputers get more powerful, then trends can be picked out in regional variations of said GMST in terms of weather.

Ulric Lyons
July 19, 2021 3:37 am

They managed to evacuate 45,000 people before the 2013 floods.

https://www.air-worldwide.com/Models/Flood/Mapping-the-2013-Floods-in-Central-Europe/

fretslider
July 19, 2021 3:43 am

In the UK one big factor that caused flooding was the EU environmental directives.

Simply put, rewilding is a lack of any management, be that clearing banks and dredging etc. After the flooding in the Somerset levels, they soon started managing the waterways again.

As we say, it was a colossal own-goal.

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Alba
July 19, 2021 4:04 am

In 2013 the River Elbe flooded. I had booked to stay at a hotel in Königstein, south of Dresden but the hotel was flooded and had to be closed. Fortunately the hotel was able to partially re-open by the time I was due to stay there. The interesting thing is that I was told that Königstein was given warning by river authorities in the Czech Republic and the residents had some time in which to prepare for the flooding.

Joe
July 19, 2021 5:30 am

We had a little flooding here in Michigan about a year ago. Things are very hush hush about it at the moment. The think politicians are having a hard time trying to blame climate change. I am thinking that the computer models are having a hard time linking the raising of lake water levels, dead clams and lake front property owners with the rainy season.

After the Flint water crisis I have come to the conclusion that the words “government” and “failure” are interchangeable.

Joe

PS. If anyone commenting on this site has any info about the food please share. I can find nothing with recent dates.

Sara
July 19, 2021 5:40 am

Gee, I wonder what Merkel will do if this turns into A Permanent Thing. And how long can she keep her job if people finally wise up to her stupidity? Are class action lawsuits allowed in German courts?

Tom
July 19, 2021 5:55 am

Even if one thinks the flooding was caused by climate change and that immediate action is required to mitigate such things in the future, it should be painfully obvious that the effects of such mitigation efforts are a very, very long way off, which makes it very clear that blaming climate change is just an excuse.

Lee
July 19, 2021 6:43 am

A true disaster is almost by definition something that goes beyond a plan or planned response. Sometimes there is no plan, sometimes the plan fails. Hence insurance.

There are limited resources and almost limitless potential disasters. People have always liked to live by rivers, rivers flood, sometimes suddenly, sometimes higher than ever remembered or recorded. (Similar floods occur on seacoasts). If you want to be safe from floods, build well above the highest known flood line – not near a river or ocean. If you like to live or build near water, buy insurance and have your own evacuation plan.

This type of failure is a feature for those who prefer limited government.

2hotel9
July 19, 2021 7:26 am

No scumbag quite like an East German scumbag. Again, why is she not in prison for life for all her crimes as a member of STASI?Oh, yea, none of them were punished, they just got fat paying jobs in the new government. Never mind.

TonyG
July 19, 2021 8:00 am

Do nothing about it, let the disaster occur and get people screaming about it, and then blame climate change so you need to “do something”, which inevitably means greater regulation and restrictions on the populace. And it seems to be working.

Zigmaster
July 19, 2021 11:30 am

Wasn’t climate change meant to cause more droughts and food shortages.

Pat from Kerbob
July 19, 2021 12:28 pm

Everyone here knows that cold causes catastrophic weather, cold environments are always worse.
This has been an exceptionally cold year for Europe, we are simply seeing the results.

As to forecasters, here i am in southern Saskatchewan, yesterday the prediction was 36C today and so we planned accordingly.
Here at 1:30 PM is is 19C.
Not quite 50% off but very close.

Yes, weather and climate models are so awesome

Sara
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
July 19, 2021 2:29 pm

Been a cold year here, too. I’m still wearing thermals so that I don’t have to turn the furnace on in the AM.

Tim Crome
July 19, 2021 12:30 pm

The village of Heimersheim is built on the flood plain next to the river Ahr and even has a stream meandering through the middle of it, as can be seen on this image, that splits off from yhe main river just above the village and rejoins it again just below.

This valley has seen flooding for hundreds of years and the floods have been studied. The conclusions were that floods greater than those that occurred during the 1800s and 1900s had occurred previously and if similar floods occurred now the impacts would be worse due to the changes in land use.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/24365169

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Eben
July 19, 2021 6:08 pm

There is nothing wrong with your infrastructure, you just need more solar panels, that will stop the rain, ja ja ja

Rich T.
July 19, 2021 7:03 pm

Flooding in Germany has it’s own web page They list by decade. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Floods_in_Germany_by_decade

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