What I’ve Learned
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Big thanks to Dr. Frank Mitloehner for chatting with me. You can find him on twitter under @GHGGuru
Navigation:
00:00 – Why are people saying Cows are bad for the planet?
1:14 – How much would Americans going plant based actually reduce GHG emissions?
2:56 – Do cows really take all the water?
4:53 – The real problem with water
7:01 – Do Cows really take all our Food?
7:53 – Livestock make the whole food system more efficient.
10:17 – Do Cows really take all our Land?
12:30 – You can’t just grow whatever wherever.
13:54 – Why Global numbers are Misleading
15:45 – United States cattle are super efficient
16:48 – What about methane?
20:52 – Something more worth talking about than meat
✍️ “DEBUNK” RESPONSE 🥩 https://www.patreon.com/posts/51285771 📑 (PDF) – Here is my reply to a popular plant-based youtuber’s attempt at “debunking” this video.
✍️Actually, there’s been a lot of youtubers attempting to “debunk” this video. Here is my reply to another one: https://www.patreon.com/posts/50919460 I’ll get to the others as I have time.
🌎The discussion with Dr. Mitloehner was immensely helpful but for those of you worried that I’m relying on one source: plenty of research was done before and after our conversation. I double checked all of his points and they are all backed up by research that is not his own. (All sources are in the below link.)
🐄This video is talking about conventional beef, not grass fed beef.
🥩There’s actually still a ton more to talk about that couldn’t fit in this video, how many of you guys would like to see another video expanding on this topic?
LINK TO A PDF WITH SOURCES: https://www.patreon.com/posts/50493370
Also, check out the documentary “Sacred Cow” by Diana Rogers, narrated by Nick Offerman – well made, informative and engaging. The graphic design for the animation at 17:26 was based on an infographic from the Sacred Cow website – https://www.sacredcow.info/helpful-resources
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For those of us who love milk, cheese, steak, and leather goods particularly shoes, we find the woke attitude to beef, typical of their lack of scientific understanding, coupled with their desire to destroy all that is good in life.
Vegans are about as ignorant of agriculture as they are evangelical scolds.
India has the most cattle and their vegetarians.
The average herd size is about 2 or 3 likely being super inefficient.
But India has millions of cattle that just wander around doing nothing.
Being anti cow is just something only a juvenile westerner believes in.
“Oh eating meat is bad”
“Oh climate change is bad”
“Oh cows cause climate change ohhhh”
To me they are a pack of whingers who need to be ignored.
I am surprised to see that the video refers to “conventional beef” not “grass fed beef”. Here in Scotland nearly all beef is grass fed, certainly during the summer. The beasts may get supplements but they are usually outside in fields.
I assume “conventional” refers to there enormous feed lot things.
Cows eat grass.
I can’t eat grass.
I can eat cows.
There is no other way for me to eat grass.
I am less concerned about saving the planet, and more concerned about optimizing my health. Humans aren’t vegetarian, and vegetarianism isn’t healthy.
From the pH of our stomachs to sizes of our intestines it is clear that humans are carnivore specialized omnivores. While one can subsist on vegetarian food, it will generally be far less healthy than a diet based in animal products.
Modern “nutrition science” is one of the few pseudosciences that rivals “climate science” for its ideological inflicted harm.
Having controlled herds of livestock consuming rapidly growing grass not only controls the danger of excess wildfire fuel but keeps it sweet, short and green instead of long, dry and flammable as well as removing the extra fuel of woody weeds.
Even if you never ate the livestock the net result is a benefit. But when by selling them they provide you with a decent living as well, this tried and tested system is a win/win.
There is no point addressing this policy with reasoned argument. It is not based in reason, and so is invulnerable to any reasoned proof that it will not work.
Policies of this kind, involving fundamental changes to society, seem to operate in two stages. First, some activists have an idea, and an aim to change the world. I suspect that most of these attempts at self-aggrandisement die a fairly rapid death, though some persist as the cults which we hear about from time to time.
if the idea becomes successful and is taken up, and increasing number of people start to make money out of it, and base their careers on it. At this stage it is self-perpetuating, and will continue regardless of any disproof of the fundamental idea. Books are written about it, and Foundations set up to support it.
In fact, it is a huge benefit for the idea to be totally wrong, because in that case the proposed countermeasures will not work, thus ensuring continuing jobs for those who are employed to administer them. The ‘War on Drugs’ is a good example of this, and are the ‘Protection of Rare Animals’, and ‘Solution to Homeless Rough Sleepers’. All of these social initiatives must never be successfully addressed, because that would put large numbers of otherwise unemployable people out of work.
Climate Change, Environmentalism generally, Socialism/Communism, Population Control, World Government, and many other of these unworkable activist initiatives are of these types. They may start with good intentions, but can only be successful in perpetuating themselves as never-ending meal tickets so long as all the proposals for implementing them are essentially unworkable…
The notion that a meatless diet is healthy, good for the planet, provides all the essential nutrients a body needs, and is actually a good thing is preposterous! The human body evolved to be able to eat almost anything and still survive, but a diet high in quality protein is preferable to one based on beans and rice. None of these militant anti-meat folks would survive for long were it not for the supplements they must take to make up for the lack of essential amino acids in their diet.
Cows and other ruminants have the correct dentition and digestive systems to eat plants and turn it into protein that humans can then eat. This is a really nice system, sun > plants > cows > people. In return for care, these animals also give us milk, cheese, leather, butter, and fertilizer for the fields where their food is grown.This has been going on for thousands of years and works great to the benefit of tasty critters and humans.
Confusing format
“Beware of stupid people, especially when they occur in large numbers”
There-in is The Problem.
The Stupid People really do believe, via Magical Thinking, that eating plants will save them – and everybody of course.
wrong wrong wrong wrong
Eating plants (cooked starch = sugar) is what makes you stupid
It also makes you:
Does anyone else see a Positive Feedback Loop in there?
The real problem is, as the plant eaters effectively assert, there is now No Way of growing sufficient ‘cow’ for all of us.
If think someone, several folks maybe even, predicted this happening
Growing plants, especially annual plants destroys the very thing they are looking to save – The Soil/Dirt.
(Cows, when left to their own devices, actually make Good Dirt)
Biq question is for The Betting Men amongst us, Which will get us first, an under-dose of dirt or an over-dose of stupidity?
Even bigger question, will anyone be around to pay you your winnings?
This thing has GOT to be stopped, somehow.
I’d be interested in knowing how today’s herd size (dairy and beef cattle combined) compares to the number of bison that formerly grazed the same lands. I’ll bet it’s not much different. And probably a similar story in Africa.
how may years did Catholics do meatless fridays, did that change anything
In the UK we have a quiz show called QI
I watched the other night and Stephen Fry revealed having a pet labrador from puppy to death causes the same CO2 to be emitted as not 1 but 2 Toyota Land Cruisers throughout the life of the vehicles
So Griff, Loydo, etc, do you have pets?
Time to eat your dog methinks
Here’s an idea:
Stop eating cows and let all of them roam free immediately!
Of course, without any natural predators in the UK, we’d soon be up to our necks in bullshit
I could argue with all the rubbish talked by the climate doomsters and the misleadia, we already are.
Not a biologist but it seems to me that a cow is designed to take plants and turn it into high grade protein – MEAT, the food that helped the brains of humans grow large enough to advance out of the jungle. Humans need 50 to 60 grams of PROTEIN a day. Look at the intelligence level of those countries that have trouble getting 60 grams of protein a day. Look at the protein content of the vegetarian foods that have significant protein like soy, and the amount of this food to get 60 grams of protein needed to eliminate the cow.
My back of the envelope calculation shows that lots of trees are going to be cut down to plant more high protein plants. More plant products will be turned over into the soil to keep it fertile and the more tractors and harvesters will be running to process this protein so that more trucks can haul it to the factories to produce soy (or whatever) based protein food for YOU. The other problem is that the more plants YOU eat to obtain your protein, the more methane YOU produce. Worse, I have not found one of those new high protein substitute foods palatable.
Has anyone done a REAL analysis to see if there is a, REAL, actual decrease in methane? My first twenty years of life on a farm tells me plants will not provide enough protein for the world.
PS, grams of Protein per pound of beef = 120, grams of Protein per pound of Soy =15.
The Climatista to “save the world” propaganda is all a tactic inside the twisted scam of Climate Change. Wether the whining is about global cooling, global warming, or climate change, the solutions are always less liberty and more elitist looting of normal people. Time for control freaks to go by whatever means necessary.
So, according to leftards animals are bad for the climate. OK, lets kill all the animals to save the climate.
See also
https://wp.me/pTN8Y-3vm
Cows are carbon-dioxide neutral.
How do you know if someone is a Vegan?
They tell you.
This vegetarianism lark is a[nother] triumph of ideology and belief over cold hard reality.
The last time I checked humans are definitely omnivores. And as we all know, omnivores are animals anatomically and physiologically adapted to eating both plant and animal matter.
It’s a belief that needs Calcium supplements amongst other things
I first encountered this carping over cattle and climate change in an article in Drover’s Journal in 1988. I found it to be a joke because some scientist calculated the climate effect of cattle to be 0.004C. After 33 years it is becoming an old joke. Even assuming it can be calculated at all the effect is too tiny to bother worrying about. It is what comes from people who know nothing about something, have no experience withit, and have never listened to anyone who does, believing they can plan it all to work better.
It is truly amazing, watching and listening to the various fascistic death cults winge and moan about the horrors of meat consumption! I am immediately worried that their ignorance and stupidity may actually be the result of low amino acid levels causing dementia type symptoms, and recommend that they increase their protein intake with a nice fat steak or slab of prime rib! That was always my choice after a day of dealing with some incredibly stupid, stubborn and delicious cows and their offspring in a roundup, or gather!
I’ve also witnessed numerous wildfires burning right up to our fence lines then dying for lack of fuel! What is it with ecoloons and burning stuff? Is it just a Commifornia thing or do libtards in other states also enjoy incinerating forests, fields and brush land with their idiotic policies?
Living now in a state that is proud of it’s forests, hunters and ranchers; and encourages wise use of ALL natural resources; it’s easy to forget how enraging it was watching all that beauty go up in smoke!
Been watching competing propaganda films over diet that seem to turn into lies about meat vs lies about grains. Notice that both sets of propagandists put forward people who look sickly. Not everyone, but enough to make both arguments worrisome.
Wish people would start from the fact that we are omnivores. We aren’t herbivores, with GI tracts and teeth specialized in getting nutrients out of grass. Neither are we carnivores, with teeth and GI tracts specialized in consuming meat.
And we were gathering grains long before we became agricultural. That is part of being a hunter gatherer.
And long life, surviving to a natural old age, is a very recent development. So too is the massive increase in being overweight. Funny what technology and abundance can do.
These lying propagandists can’t stop themselves from abusing every opportunity that might give them an edge in their fight over us. That is why they glom on to climate change to justify the things they were already trying to force on us.
But then that is true for many others.
As a vegetarian for over 50 years I want to extend my sincere gratitude to all the people over lo those many decades who have eaten the animals that would have eaten my food.