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NYT: President Biden Just “Walked Back” his Pledge on Climate Action

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

NYT contributor Farhad Manjoo is horrified President Biden appears to have “walked back” an apparent pledge to veto the bipartisan infrastructure bill, if it is not accompanied by a partisan climate investment bill. But there seems a much simpler explanation for what happened.

Democrats Have a Year to Save the Planet

June 30, 2021
FARHAD MANJOO

A century from now, our descendants may look back on the next year or so as a hinge in history. This could be the great turning point — an opportunity for the United States to finally take grand action to curb the worst effects of a climate barreling toward catastrophe.

Or consider an alternative exhibit, in some side gallery, that sadly reflects on an enormous lost opportunity. Despite recognizing the epic stakes in the fight against climate change, the president goes too small, capitulates too easily. Congress loses itself in petty, shortsighted rancor. The people, fearing sacrifices in our heedless indulgence, shrink from necessary change. This is a dark, dead end in the Biden library: A once mighty nation is served its toughest challenge yet, and it whiffs.

In announcing the deal, Biden appeared to want to do much more — the compromise, he said, would be paired with another spending bill that Democrats could try to pass under a parliamentary technique known as reconciliation, which would allow them to sidestep the Senate filibuster. That plan, he suggested, would include huge investments for the climate and the White House’s safety-net priorities. He promised not to sign the compromise without also signing the larger bill.

That seemed comforting — but then the president over the weekend walked back his promise. Thankfully, many Democrats in Congress aren’t backing down; a number of progressives in the Senate and the House are vowing to pull support from the infrastructure plan if they aren’t assured significant action on the climate. “No climate, no deal,” has become a lefty rallying cry.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/opinion/climate-change-congress.html

I understand why Farhad interpreted Biden’s actions as deliberate intent. But please read the following, also from the New York Times.

‘Not My Intent’: How Biden’s Impromptu Comments Upended a Political Win

During the news conference in the East Room, a reporter sought clarification: “Mr. President, you said you want both of these measures to come to you ‘in tandem.’ Did you receive any assurances that that would happen?”

Mr. Biden said he expected that Congress would work on passage of both the bipartisan infrastructure measure and the bigger Democratic bill at the same time, echoing Mr. Schumer’s earlier comments. But then he went even further again.

“But if only one comes to me, I’m not — and if this is the only thing that comes to me, I’m not signing it,” he said. “It’s in tandem.”

On Saturday, Mr. Biden finally acknowledged his mistake as lawmakers and aides signaled they would move forward with writing text and securing support.

“The bottom line is this,” he said. “I gave my word to support the infrastructure plan, and that’s what I intend to do. I intend to pursue the passage of that plan, which Democrats and Republicans agreed to on Thursday, with vigor. It would be good for the economy, good for our country, good for our people. I fully stand behind it without reservation or hesitation.”

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/us/politics/biden-infrastructure.html

I think Farhad is being a little harsh, with his talk of Biden “walking back” his climate pledge.

All that happened was, during the original press conference, President Biden apparently got confused about which trillion dollar infrastructure and climate bills had been agreed. After someone, presumably Biden’s assistants, pointed out to the President that he had inadvertently communicated the wrong information, Biden corrected the record.

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Mumbles McGuirck
July 1, 2021 10:19 am

If the Democrats are peevishly going to scrap the infrastructure bill when their climate bill tanks then I say, “Tanks”. But sadly I think we’re going to get one or both. Our children won’t know what money looks like.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
July 1, 2021 10:34 am

Oh, they’ll know what money looks like.

It will require a wheelbarrow full of money to purchase a loaf of bread at the store!

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 1, 2021 10:45 am

Weimar Republic

DonM
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
July 1, 2021 11:50 am

I wasn’t aware of Zimbabwe’s issues a few years back ….

I recently did some work for a man that told me about his parents, and how they pulled their combined lifetime retirement accounts (before they became completely worthless) and went and had a nice dinner.

Spetzer86
Reply to  DonM
July 1, 2021 4:03 pm

Some time ago, you could get Zimbabwe’s inflated currency in wild denominations on e-bay. The currency was available because it had been preserved in the walls of the huts. Apparently, it was better used as insulation than for spending.

Graemethecat
Reply to  DonM
July 1, 2021 11:30 pm

I remember a photo of a Zimbabwean bloke holding a placard which read, “Starving Billionaire”.

Wade
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 1, 2021 12:08 pm

Meanwhile, the ones who created this problem will still eat the best steak and lobster daily.

John
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 1, 2021 8:54 pm

It will mean world war III as this is what lead to the previous two world wars
people without food and shelter have nothing left but to fight there friends and neighbours for survival
The unintelligent illiterate social left of the past how now rising

Craig from Oz
Reply to  John
July 2, 2021 12:35 am

It will mean world war III as this is what lead to the previous two world wars

Ummm… not sure I agree.

Reasonably sure that most of Imperial Europe were fed and happy in 1913, and the people who were not were not marching in the streets demanding a bit of military expansion. A big topic but a lot of commentators blame The Great War on a 19th Century mindset in the ruling classes who believed a good quick sharp war would be just the thing to sort out those bothersome foreigners across the border.

As for 1939 I am pretty sure the people calling for living space wanted it because they felt they deserved it. There was a ruler of one of the central European countries who seemed to believe that his nation and the people within deserved better and annexing things that didn’t really belong to him was the way of the future.

In response Time Magazine made him Man of the Year and everyone said “well, his country is still recovering after the Great War and is a developing nation more or less and I am sure if we just let him annex Tibet… I mean the Rhineland, he will totally stop.”

My opinion. Open to discussion.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 1, 2021 11:31 pm

But everyone will be billionaires or even trillionaires!

Alba
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 2, 2021 4:41 am

Ah, but have you heard the story of the two old ladies who were pushing a wheelbarrow of money to the baker’s? On the way they stopped because of somebody having an accident. When they went back to the wheelbarrow it had gone. But the money was still lying there. This version has a worker rather than 2 ladies.
https://mashable.com/feature/german-hyperinflation

walt
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 3, 2021 2:36 pm

There will not be tangible cash money. It will only exist as computer files. The typical citizen of tomorrow will have no clue where the decimal points are for thousands, millions, billions or trillions. No wheel barrows needed.

Willem Post
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
July 1, 2021 10:35 am

Script?

KevinM
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
July 2, 2021 6:23 am

Usually infrastructure investments work out well, no matter how exorbitant the schedule and cost overruns become. ex. Boston’s “Big Dig” changed the city for the better, and will continue to yield benefits for as long as the city exists.
The Hoover dam, the Brooklyn bridge, the interstate road system, electrification of the South and Midwest, …
Sucks for the over-50 payers, awesome for the under-20 beneficiaries.

walt
Reply to  KevinM
July 3, 2021 2:45 pm

Oh no! The Hoover dam is a monument to exploitation of the environment. The dams are destructive of free flowing rivers. The habitat lost because of the dams are irreplaceable. The younger cohorts do not connect the infrastructure improvements with contemporary comforts.

IanE
July 1, 2021 10:22 am

Biden – the gift that keeps taking.

Editor
Reply to  IanE
July 1, 2021 11:41 am

In the linked YouTube video below “Vice President Biden Speaks at the National Conference on Mental Health” from 2013, Biden discusses his brain surgery and its possible aftereffects, starting at 25:31:

Regards,
Bob

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  IanE
July 1, 2021 12:36 pm

The grifter who keeps on grifting.

John
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
July 1, 2021 8:56 pm

don’t you mean the grafter who keeps stealing and lying

dgp
July 1, 2021 10:25 am

Planet savior delusion disorder (PSDD), don’t let the democrats suffer in silence,

Mr.
July 1, 2021 10:28 am

Can we chuck another $trillion on the bonfire, Joe?
YES WE CAN!

Willem Post
Reply to  Mr.
July 1, 2021 10:36 am

The eternal flame?

Mr.
Reply to  Willem Post
July 1, 2021 12:03 pm

Yep.
In his 2011 book “After America”, author Mark Steyn observed that the USA would NEVER be able to discharge its national debt.
And that was based on what was owing back in 2011.
The hole has been dug a whole lot deeper since then, and Joe is now going for a personal best.

Sara
July 1, 2021 10:33 am

There seems to be a valid split there which might just be a crack in the wall, e.g.: a number of progressives in the Senate and the House are vowing to pull support from the infrastructure plan if they aren’t assured significant action on the climate. “No climate, no deal,” has become a lefty rallying cry. – article

On the other hand, JB is so drifty these days, it’s hard to figure out which way the wind blows with him now. According to one newsie, the infrastructure is aimed at destroying the entire interstate system, which is the main goods-to-market route these days, whether a trucker picks up stuff at a freight depot or is doing long route OTR hauling. When the US interstate highway system was built, its purpose was precisely to get goods to market.

So where is all of this going? Is it mostly foghorn noises, or is there more substance to it than that?

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Sara
July 1, 2021 10:47 am

Let’s just remember who killed the infrastructure bill (and jobs) come November, 2022.

MarkW
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
July 1, 2021 11:20 am

What jobs?
BTW, it’s been shown that government jobs bills destroy more jobs than they create, even when they are designed to create jobs.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
July 1, 2021 12:19 pm

There is basically no infrastructure in the infrastructure bill.

Rob_Dawg
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
July 1, 2021 1:04 pm

For instance. The transit infrastructure spending is largely to replenish underfunded retirement accounts and back fill operating deficits of low ridership.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
July 1, 2021 1:48 pm

Media are alteady starting to try and blame it on Republicans. By 2022, this will be “fact.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/06/28/mitch-mcconnell-democratic-infrastructure-strategy-496707

Notanacademic
Reply to  Sara
July 1, 2021 12:41 pm

“It’s hard to figure out which way the wind blows with him now”. Straight through his ears I think the direction is irrelevant 😂

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The Dark Lord
Reply to  Notanacademic
July 1, 2021 1:10 pm

if you put your ear up to Bidens head you can hear the waves … 🙂

Notanacademic
Reply to  The Dark Lord
July 1, 2021 1:15 pm

That made me laugh. Thanks for the chuckle.

James Beaver
Reply to  The Dark Lord
July 2, 2021 11:26 am

Risky… getting sucked into a black hole and spagettified is “bad luck”.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Sara
July 1, 2021 1:43 pm

The interstate highway system’s purpose was national defense to move military hardware fast to where it might be needed in the event of a likely war with the Soviet Union. A side benefit was the movement of people and goods. An unanticipated boon was the development of the flyover regions and people escaping the inner cities’ disfunctions.

Sara
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 2, 2021 4:16 am

Yeah, I’m sorry I left out that part about the military purpose of the interstate. My bad, but most military equipment is moved by train or plane these days. Thanks for the reminder.

KevinM
Reply to  Sara
July 2, 2021 6:38 am

I believe the interstate system was also pushed hard by Dwight Eisenhower’s experience crossing the US as a soldier during WW1. In a quote I can’t Google he said something like, America should not be such a crappy third world dump.

John Pickens
July 1, 2021 10:35 am

So if the Democrats were to get their way, and build out their wind, solar, battery, and electric car program, total CO2 production would INCREASE, not decrease.

Lots of money to throw at favored “Green” recipients, but CO2 reduction, not so much.

Dave Fair
Reply to  John Pickens
July 1, 2021 1:45 pm

Governmental crony capitalism is a perversion of our once free market system. I wonder if we will ever recover.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 1, 2021 3:03 pm

There is no such thing as crony capitalism.
Taking money from people who work and giving it to friends and relatives of politicians is a variation of socialism.

Spetzer86
Reply to  John Pickens
July 1, 2021 4:07 pm

It would take probably 10-20 years for sufficient people to figure that one out. Old JB will be well gone, along with a ton of the rest of them.

Ferdberple
July 1, 2021 10:39 am

Biden: Now what button was that again? Do I push the red one or the blue one?

MarkW
Reply to  Ferdberple
July 1, 2021 11:26 am

“Now, landing thrusters.. landing thrusters, hmm. Now if I were a landing thruster, which one of these would I be?”
LondoA Voice in the Wilderness, Part II

Simon
Reply to  Ferdberple
July 1, 2021 12:57 pm

Biden may not be the best president to date, but my bet is he will do a whole lot better on the C-Span Presidential Historian Survey than the last guy. I see Trump is now officially the worst president in the last 150 years.
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 1:17 pm

Antifa Simon hath declared it, so thus it must be.

I hope that kool-aid tasted good.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 1, 2021 1:40 pm

Nope it has been declared by historians. And by all accounts neutral in their determining. Of the top 10 there is pretty much an equal Democrat-Republican split. Interesting to read the criteria. Trump doesn’t get above 50% in anything. Not a singe category. His best is”Public Persuasion where he scores 43.9%. Trump the conman. “Credible to the gullible” and or “servant to the selfish.” This will not only upset his apostles, but Trump himself will be seething. The man who says he is a winner, is now officially an all time loser.

Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 2:00 pm

You are on the very wrong path, togehther with your historians.

Felix
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 2:16 pm

“By all accounts neutral” — good grief, a new bingo phrase.

Simon
Reply to  Felix
July 1, 2021 2:25 pm

Yes neutral. You know neutral. It is a thing. Calling it for how it is rather than being swayed by the politics. You should try it.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 3:08 pm

Fascinating how it is only the right who is swayed by politics.
Far left liberals are always neutral in their judgements.

Colin
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 9:49 am

Neutral left wing universities? Neutral Simon – just like you?

MarkW
Reply to  Felix
July 1, 2021 3:07 pm

Liberals have always defined themselves as the center.
It’s just one of the many lies they tell.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 3:06 pm

I love how a small hand full of people who spend their lives covering government, automatically become “historians” when that label is most convenient.

Interesting how being the most successful president since Reagan is denigrated by those who think government is the answer to every problem.

ghl
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 6:51 pm

The Enlightenment was short-lived. Tribal till extinction, eh?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 8:10 pm

“Nope it has been declared by historians. And by all accounts neutral in their determining.”

That’s funny.

I would say Trump is the best of the modern presidents. I wouldn’t put him above the Founding Fathers or Abraham Lincoln, but he’s number one in dealing with the problems of the modern world as we find it today. Imo, of course.

I think Joe Biden is going to turn out to be the worst president evah!, blowing past Barack Obama. Everything Biden does causes harm to the United States.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 1, 2021 8:39 pm

I wonder if Simon sends a cut of his haul to the Big Guy.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 3, 2021 5:18 am

I hear the Big Guy gets 10 percent of the profits.

He needs to get Hunter on the board of a Mexican Crime Cartel or two. They are missing out on a lot of money to be made at the southern border.

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 6:40 am

Most of today’s so-called “historians” are pretend, wanna-be experts who haven’t the faintest clue what history is really about. They are chained to the present and to contemporary interpretations of events. Nor are they “neutral.” You are hopelessly naive and clueless.

Colin
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 9:49 am

Historians? They have written THE HISTORY already? Historians at left wing universities? So it MUST be true then. Not

Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 1:28 pm

Simple Simon says 😀

Simon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
July 1, 2021 2:27 pm

Simple Simon says”
Come on Krishna. Did you think of that childish putdown all by yourself? Be honest?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 6:01 pm
Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 1:44 pm

Yay! A survey!

WTF does Trump have to do with this? Get over your creepy obsession.

Simon
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
July 1, 2021 2:04 pm

WTF does Trump have to do with this?
He’s the guy they assessed … against the rest.

Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 2:44 pm

Is Billy Clinton the rapist rated above the Great Obomba…the first mullato prez?….or is Joey the Cheater and pops of Hunter Biden the criminal rated ahead of Obomba? In any case, demrat hysterians agree upon a version of lies.

Simon
Reply to  Anti_griff
July 1, 2021 2:50 pm

” July 1, 2021 2:44 pm
Is Billy Clinton the rapist rated above the Great Obomba…the first mullato prez?….or is Joey the Cheater and pops of Hunter Biden the criminal rated ahead of Obomba? In any case, demrat hysterians agree upon a version of lies.”
OK so first they are not democrat historians or they would not have so many republicans at the top 10. As for where they are all rated you can look for yourself. But if you want to find Trump quickly… start at the bottom.

Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 3:59 pm

Trump is not at the bottom of my list….which counts with me…what you and some other jerks think means zero…..actually less than zero.

TonyG
Reply to  Anti_griff
July 2, 2021 10:40 am

what you and some other jerks think means zero

Have you noticed how some people need to rely on others to tell them what to think?
Pretty sure that’s related to how all the warmists around here have exactly the same positions about everything else as well.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 4:48 pm

”What am I signing?” — says the ‘president’ who can’t hold a press conference without cue cards with mug shots of the approved press lackeys with pre-asked questions.

Colin
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 9:52 am

Simon – you are hilarious. Trump the WORST? Seriously? No Biden has that in his pocket after 6 months.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Colin
July 2, 2021 11:19 am

What’s even more hilarious is that he apparently believes the propaganda he is regurgitating.

KevinM
Reply to  Anti_griff
July 2, 2021 7:03 am

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall

They most recently have Obama 9th and Clinton 19th.

Objectivity was thrown out the window when you see Nixon at 31st. He is forever cursed for admitting to misdeeds to a then- naïve public… misdeeds quietly replicated by every presidential candidate since.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 3:08 pm

A bunch of far left reporters who spend their lives covering government, doesn’t like the guy who makes liberals look bad.
What a surprise.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 1, 2021 3:16 pm

So why are half the top 10 republicans?

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 1, 2021 3:20 pm

A bunch of far left reporters “
And once again Mark celebrates his ignorance. They are historians. Not a journalist in the bunch. As I have suggested to you before Mark, maybe check before commenting. Saves embarrassment.
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=participants

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 4:49 pm

Yet here you are…getting laughed at…

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 6:49 am

MarkW is talking about the C-SPAN folks who go out of their way to conduct worthless surveys to feed propaganda to the nation. You should actually try to understand what your critics are actually saying about you.

Simon
Reply to  Larry in Texas
July 2, 2021 1:04 pm

Before I worry about what people say I about me I look at how they are saying it.

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 6:47 am

I know no presidential historian worth his salt who “assesses” any President only six months after he has left office. Any “presidential historian” who tries to do so only establishes his credibility as a political hack, not a real historian.

While the jury may still be out, there is rather solid evidence (including three years of massive prosperity, the lowest unemployment rate in history for African-Americans and Hispanics, the first time in around 50 years that real incomes actually rose instead of falling, Dr. Fauci and the media hiding the ball on what really caused the COVID-19 crisis) that future real historians are gonna give Trump more credit than you will ever give him.

Simon
Reply to  Larry in Texas
July 2, 2021 1:05 pm

I know no presidential historian worth his salt who “assesses” any President only six months after he has left office.”
But I’m guessing you know no presidential historians.

Colin
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 9:46 pm

No Simon – presidential “historians” do not assess any presidents after 6 months

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Larry in Texas
July 3, 2021 5:29 am

“While the jury may still be out, there is rather solid evidence (including three years of massive prosperity, the lowest unemployment rate in history for African-Americans and Hispanics, the first time in around 50 years that real incomes actually rose instead of falling”

Yes, and the United States is still experiencing the benefits of having Trump as president. Trump’s economy is picking up steam, just like he predicted, and we see Biden trying to take credit for all the good economic news.

Biden had nothing to do with our current economy. It’s all Trump.

Biden will have something to do with our future economy as gasoline prices spike and inflation makes us all poorer, and the economy slower.

In about a year, Joe, it will be time for you to take responsibilty for greatly harming the U.S. economy with your ignorant, counter-productive policies.

Gasoline prices are already a dollar a gallon higher in the U.S. If prices stay that high, that will mean the U.S. GDP will decline by one percent. That’s a lot of money.

Inflation will also harm U.S. GDP, and Joe Biden is setting us up for all of it with his stupid socialist/delusionist (climate change) policies.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 3:04 pm

A bunch of far left wing nobodies likes the socialist.
Only a complete moron would be surprised at that.

Rich Davis
Reply to  MarkW
July 1, 2021 5:46 pm

I don’t think Simon was surprised. Oh, you meant some other complete moron.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 1, 2021 6:30 pm

Well I wasn’t surprised by his (near bottom) rating. I will sleep better knowing history will treat him as he deserves. And the next fun thing on the Trump horizon is….. tax fraud. His company is being prosecuted it’s been announced today. No surprises there either. I’m wondering whether his orange face will clash with the orange jump suit?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 8:25 pm

Trumped up charges that would not even go to a criminal court except it’s Trump they are going after. Normally, these kinds of things would be handled in Civil Court.

This Trump employee is charged with evading taxes. He got a corporate car and a corporate apartment, and Trump paid for some of his children’s education, none of which amounted to much money and all of which are perfectly legal and done in just about every corporation that exists.

But they treat Trump differenly because they fear him and want to get rid of him so they go to any lengths to try to get at him and that’s what they are doing here.

They are hoping Trump’s employee has some kind of dirt on Trump that they can use against Trump, and that’s why they marched him into court in handcuffs today.

The Democrats are using the power of the government to attack their political opponents. This is what happens in totalitarian regimes.

The Attorney General of New York campaigned on putting Trump in jail, and she and the District Attorney of New York have gotten together to try to nail Trump, and after going through over three million Trump documents and through Trump’s tax returns since 2005, they still cannot find anything to charge Trump with.

The Democrats are using the Power of the State to attack their political opponents in an effort to gain and retain political power from now until the end of time.

We can’t let them succeed.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 2, 2021 12:27 am

Tom
well I see it differently. I see him as bent as a dogs hind leg and this is just justice catching up with him. Gonna be interesting to see if Weisselberg flips like his last lawyer did?

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 6:56 am

You are free to see it “differently.” I am free to say you have no clue of what you speak. But haters gonna hate, I guess. . .

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 7:18 am

Please, do your 0rgasm elsewhere…

Colin
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 9:55 am

Wow the Trump Derangement Syndrome really has got you hasn’t it Simon. So sad

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
July 3, 2021 5:33 am

You can see him anyway you want to, Simon, but I require evidence of guilt before I condemn someone.

When you have evidence of Trump doing something unlawful, come back and see me.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 8:41 pm

Yesssss…Feel the HATE…let it flooooooow through your mind!

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 2, 2021 12:22 am

It’s not really hate. More satisfaction to know good always “trumps” evil (Evil Trump)in the end.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
July 3, 2021 5:34 am

It’s not over yet, Simon. Trump is still around and active. He may be our next president.

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 6:55 am

As someone who has a B.A. degree in history, I can tell you that you have no clue about what “history” is or how any historian 50 – 100 years from now will treat someone like Donald Trump.

And as someone who is a lawyer as well, I can tell you have no clue about law, either. Because the company can only be fined; the guy who was supposedly CEO at the time on behalf of the organization is the only individual who has been indicted. And as Tom Abbott notes below, none of the items mentioned in the allegations amount to income under Federal income tax law. No orange jump suits for you, lol!

Simon
Reply to  Larry in Texas
July 2, 2021 1:08 pm

As someone who has a B.A. degree in history,”
You are obviously a learned person.

Colin
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 9:48 pm

Yup – you have a degree in history Simon?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Larry in Texas
July 3, 2021 5:39 am

“none of the items mentioned in the allegations amount to income under Federal income tax law.”

The reason this should be held in Civil court is because in tax issues like this, you have different opinions about what is lawful and what is not lawful as a tax deduction.

If a person goes to a tax attorney, gets advice on how to do his taxes, and follows that advice, it does not make that person a criminal if his tax attorney read the laws wrong.

A Civil Court would determine whether the laws were read wrong, and if so, a monetary fine would be imposed. It would not require a “perp walk” for a handcuffed defendant. That was done simply for the optics in an attempt to harm Trump.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 11:36 pm

I remember the same “historians” said exactly the same thing about Reagan.

Simon
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 2, 2021 12:24 am

Ummm no they didn’t. Did you even read the list before commenting? Are you MarkW in disguise? Reagan comes in at number 9.

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 6:59 am

You are, once again, talking out of school. At the time Reagan left office, there were a number of historians who were talking about what a poor president Reagan really was. Your comment only speaks about what you saw in this stupid survey instead of focusing on what Graemethecat was actually talking about.

Simon
Reply to  Larry in Texas
July 2, 2021 1:11 pm

Reagan was I think two points lower at the time of leaving office and has jumped a couple of places since. Obama has done the Same. Both good presidents (for different reasons)in my eyes. I will accept Trump could leap a couple of places…. It will still make him the worst president in the last 150 years.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
July 3, 2021 5:55 am

Trump may not be done being president.

I would love to hear what you think has made Trump the worst president in the last 150 years.

But not on this thread since it is getting old.

I would love to rebut all your claims. And I can.

We need an open thread for something like this.

There are so many articles posted to WUWT that it is hard to keep up with them and one can’t spend more than a couple of days on any particular thread, so you only have a couple of days to argue, and if the argument is long, that doesn’t work out too good.

An open thread that continues as long as needed for that topic would be preferred.

It takes a lot of wordage to rebut all the lies and propaganda of the Left. A day or two is not enough time.

John Endicott
Reply to  Simon
July 2, 2021 11:05 am

A biased survey doesn’t make anything official. Neither would an unbiased one if it existed. Only time will judge, and frankly as long as Jimmy and O’bummer are part of the competition, pretty much every other president, up to and including Trump, have nothing to fear in regards to taking the “worst” spot. It remains to be seen if any future presidencies can reach their lows. IMO of course.

Simon
Reply to  John Endicott
July 2, 2021 1:13 pm

A biased survey doesn’t make anything official.” According to the stuff I have read (and feel free to provide proof otherwise) this survey is considered neutral. It is the eternal fallback of many here to blame the messenger when the message is not what they want to hear.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/c-span/

ResourceGuy
July 1, 2021 10:48 am

Welcome to Washington.

John Endicott
July 1, 2021 10:54 am

Once again leftist/democrats show that compromise means leftist/democrats getting everything they want. Imagine if the republicans were in power and after agreeing to a compromise bill with their Dem counterparts then insisted the president should only sign the compromise bill if there is also a second bill for him to sign that includes everything they couldn’t get the democrats to agree to include in the compromise bill. The Dems would go ballistic at that.

pHil R
Reply to  John Endicott
July 1, 2021 11:25 am

John,

Once again leftist/democrats show that compromise means leftist/democrats getting everything they want. Imagine if the republicans were in power and after agreeing to a compromise bill with their Dem counterparts then insisted the president should only sign the compromise bill if there is also a second bill for him to sign that includes everything they couldn’t get the democrats to agree to include in the compromise bill. The Dems would go ballistic at that.

FIFY.

John Endicott
Reply to  pHil R
July 2, 2021 3:06 am

Too true, as we’ve seen over the past several years.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  John Endicott
July 1, 2021 11:43 am

Good comment, John, but it’ll be a lot more than just “a second” bill following the Dem-Rep “compromise” bill for infrastructure (under the classical definition of infrastructure).

Perhaps you’ve seen the trail balloon floated out in the last two weeks or so about a follow-up bill, unofficially named as the “human infrastructure” bill?

To be following shortly thereafter from the Democrats:
— the social equality infrastructure bill,
— the tax-the-rich infrastructure bill,
— the unlimited national debt infrastructure bill, and
— the pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-curtain infrastructure bill.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 1, 2021 1:50 pm

BTW, I hope the Republicans screw up the courage to demand some fundamental concessions from the Dems before they agree to a debt limit increase. That is the only leverage they will have until the populace wakes up.

Stephen Skinner
July 1, 2021 11:04 am

A century from now, our descendants may look back on the next year or so as a hinge in history. This could be the great turning point — an opportunity for the United States to finally take grand action to curb the worst effects of a climate barreling toward catastrophe.”

This is using the same psychology as in advertising; creating a sense of urgency, guilt and fear of disaster which will be ‘our fault’ unless we cough up loads of money and stop being human.

Jay Willis
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
July 1, 2021 11:16 am

A century from now, our descendants may look back on the next year or so as a hinge in history. This could be the great turning point — an opportunity for the United States to finally take grand action to sell out their own citizens in favour of the elite investments in China.”

There, that’s more like it.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
July 1, 2021 11:48 am

SS, that quote should also be put into proper context using the words attributed to Joseph Goebbels:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 1, 2021 1:33 pm

An important quote that more people need to know. You may know these also:
“To produce a maximum of chaos in the culture of the enemy is our first most important step. Our fruits are grown in chaos, distrust, economic depression and scientific turmoil. At least a weary populace can seek peace only in our offered Communist State, at last only Communism can resolve the problems of the masses.” – Lavrentiy Beria
“To speak the truth is a petit-bourgeois habit, a luxury of worry-free and aimless people. To lie, on the contrary, is often justified by the lie’s aim” – Lenin

Reply to  Stephen Skinner
July 1, 2021 12:59 pm

Al Gore sez he is going to contribute $100 million because the earth is in the balance – NOT!

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Anti_griff
July 1, 2021 1:35 pm

This is from Chapter 10 in Han’s Roslings book ‘Factfulness’:
“We need to create fear!” That’s what Al Gore said to me at the start of our first conversation about how to teach climate change.
Al Gore also said this: “I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.”

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July 1, 2021 11:17 am

How does a nation “whiff”?

Richard Page
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
July 1, 2021 11:28 am

Ask Shakespeare; “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.”

Gordon A. Dressler
July 1, 2021 11:25 am

Simple question: Would you buy a used car from the smiling guy whose photo is at the top of the above article?

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bill Johnston
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 1, 2021 12:42 pm

I wouldn’t buy a used pencil from him.

Simon
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 1, 2021 12:55 pm

Probably not but I definitely wouldn’t buy one from the last guy, or any other politician

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 1:19 pm

Your TDS infection is killing neurons, get help PDQ.

MarkW
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 1, 2021 3:11 pm

Killing neurons?
How can you tell?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  MarkW
July 1, 2021 4:51 pm

Just a hunch…

John Endicott
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 2, 2021 3:07 am

I don’t think simple has any left to be killed.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 1, 2021 3:11 pm

The left simply can’t let go of Trump.
Hatred of him defines their lives.

Reply to  MarkW
July 1, 2021 5:28 pm

Trump smoked the commies out of hiding…made them show their real colors…..revealed that they will do anything for power…..including perverting the government to do their bidding….Trump pulled the curtain back to reveal the scum hiding behind it.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Anti_griff
July 1, 2021 8:32 pm

“Trump pulled the curtain back to reveal the scum hiding behind it.”

Yes, he did and is still doing so.

A Fox News host asked Trump last night at a townhall meeting in Texas if he had decided whether he was going to run for president in 2024, or not.

Trump said, yes he has decided. He didn’t say what decision he had made, but the audience seemed to think he was going to run and cheered loudly. Trump smiled.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
July 1, 2021 8:28 pm

Not only hatred but fear also. They look at Trump and they see 2016 all over again. Let’s hope that happens. 🙂

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 1, 2021 2:02 pm

No, because his knowledge about cars in general, and used in special seems to be zero.

Nick B
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 1, 2021 2:33 pm

-Do you know when politicians are lying?
-Their mouth should open.

Paul Johnson
July 1, 2021 11:27 am

President Biden apparently got confused”
The unspoken preface for every one of Jen Psnarki’s answers to reporter’s questions.

July 1, 2021 11:30 am

The most important fact about today’s environmental movement, and the clean energy exploitations this book explores is that the United States of America, the largest economy in the history of mankind, representing 4 percent of the world’s population (330 million vs 7.8 billion) could literally shut down, and cease to exist, and the opposite of what you have been told and believe will take place.

 

Simply put, in the United States, every person, animal, or anything that causes emissions to harmfully rise could vanish off the face of the earth; or even die off, and global emissions will still explode in the coming years and decades ahead over the population and economic growth of China, India, and Africa.

 

The book “Clean Energy Exploitations” helps citizens attain a better understanding that just for the opportunity to generate intermittent electricity that is dependent on favorable weather conditions, the wealthier and healthier countries like Germany, Australia, Britain, and America continue to exploit the most vulnerable people and environments of the world today.



https://www.amazon.com/Clean-Energy-Exploitations/dp/1665704969/

SAMURAI
July 1, 2021 11:44 am

Fascists are hilarious…

Fascists’ idea of “compromise” is “cutting” the “infrastructure” bill from $2.3 trillion down to $500 billion, and then adding the $1.8 trillion that was “cut” to the $6++ TRILLION continuing resolution, AND if both bills aren’t concurrently passed, Biden promised to veto the “compromised” “infrastructure” bill…

Fascists think they’re being clever, but the American people see through their corruption and dirty politics.…

CAGW is already disconfirmed, and In 5 years, it will be laughed at.

Walter Sobchak
July 1, 2021 12:35 pm

Biden didn’t correct anything. he was trying to weasle out of a commitment, and he got called out.

Peta of Newark
July 1, 2021 12:38 pm

Quote:”A century from now, our descendants may look back on the next year or so as a hinge in history.”

Unless we really figure out what’s going on and at the rate we’re burning (the organic fraction) of the farmland soil and washing it (the mineral fraction) into the ocean, there ain’t gonna be any ‘descendants’
The rats will have completely consumed each other, and everything else of real value

If there are (m)any descendants, they’ll be absolutely convinced of an ‘un-hinge in history

Thomas Gasloli
July 1, 2021 12:41 pm

The so-called bipartisan infrastructure bill is an irrelevance. They will do the same as last year and pass a multi-thousand page budget continuation/reconciliation bill loaded with Democrat pork, including most of the items on the “green” wish list.

Then they will print more monopoly money to pay for it.

Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
July 1, 2021 1:03 pm

If only some horses , dogs, and goats had been elected instead of these demrats, there would be no problem. Demrats are only happy when they are Zucking up America.

The Dark Lord
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
July 1, 2021 1:13 pm

Then they will print more monopoly money to pay for it.” <sarc> well I guess that means they don’t need to raise taxes 🙂 </sarc>

The Dark Lord
July 1, 2021 1:09 pm

All that happened was, during the original press conference, President Biden apparently got confused about which trillion dollar infrastructure and climate bills had been agreed. ”

you should really have put in the <sarc> </sarc> tags

he was very clear that there are 2 bills … one that was a compromise and one that was not … and he threatened to veto the compromise …

gringojay
Reply to  The Dark Lord
July 1, 2021 1:24 pm

Until the official Biden-speak decoder I ordered gets delivered I rest assured knowing the following:

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Reply to  gringojay
July 1, 2021 1:38 pm

One stupid thing after another…that’s Joey…that’s the demrats……they do it over and over and over….they depend on the stupid vote. Build America into Cuba……Make America Like Venezuela…..

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Anti_griff
July 1, 2021 8:36 pm

All the Venezuelans are coming to the U.S.

John Dueker
July 1, 2021 1:30 pm

If only Biden had the brains and guts to recognize the climate scam. But his minders would withhold his nap if he did.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John Dueker
July 1, 2021 8:37 pm

You are assuming Joe Biden is an honest broker. He’s not.

John Endicott
Reply to  John Dueker
July 2, 2021 3:13 am

Nah, his minders like it when he naps, less work managing him then. Instead they’d just send him back to his basement.

July 1, 2021 1:32 pm

Just a question concerning the heat wave.
Didn’t I read in an earlier thread, that the US / Canadian heatwave isn’t just about a day or two because of some special weather patterns ?
In the news I heard it’s now several days with about estimated 500 deaths in Canada. How that ?

Dave Fair
Reply to  Krishna Gans
July 1, 2021 1:57 pm

I noticed the MSM pushing “hundreds” may have died of the Pacific Northwest heat wave.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 1, 2021 3:14 pm

And like the great extinction events that global warming is allegedly causing, the still can’t find the bodies.

griff
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 2, 2021 12:57 am

Because they did die, sadly.

In British Columbia (BC) at least 486 sudden deaths were reported over five days during the heatwave. The chief coroner said typically there would have been about 165 sudden deaths, suggesting more than 300 deaths could be attributed to the heat.
“While it is too early to say with certainty how many of these deaths are heat related, it is believed likely that the significant increase in deaths reported is attributable to the extreme weather BC has experienced and continues to impact many parts of our province,” Lisa Lapointe said in a statement.
Lapointe said the figures were preliminary and would increase as coroners in communities across the province entered other death reports into the agency’s system.

LdB
Reply to  griff
July 2, 2021 7:50 am

ROFL lucky they didn’t go for holidays in the tropics can you imagine the headline “Tropical holidays kills hundreds”

Yeah Attribution statistics the made up junk that keeps on giving.

Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2021 1:44 pm

“Save the planet”; the rallying cry of America-haters, democracy-haters, and humanity-haters everywhere.

George Daddis
July 1, 2021 2:26 pm

If several years back two fellows named Biden and Kerry “negotiated” an agreement with China that allowed that county to wait until 2030 to even consider whether to level off their emissions, and:

If, as said Kerry admitted, even if we went to net zero tomorrow the world’s total CO2 emissions would still increase because of China’s contribution; then;

How on earth could what Biden does now in an Infrastructure bill be “.. an opportunity for the United States to finally take grand action to curb the worst effects of a climate barreling toward catastrophe.” (a “grand action” must translate as “an economy destroying and meaningless gesture”.)

Is logic another characteristic now shunned by Progressives?

John Endicott
Reply to  George Daddis
July 2, 2021 3:20 am

“Progressives” (a misnomer as they’re regressive, for example wanting to go back, IE regress, to centuries old technologies like windmills in place of more modern forms of energy generation) have never been for fact and logic beyond how they can twist them out of all recognition to support their narrative. “Progressives” have always been driven by emotion and feelings. Solutions don’t have to actually fix problems, they just have to make you feel like you are doing something about the problems, and the problems don’t even have to be real, they just have to feel like they’re a problem.

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Gary Pearse
July 1, 2021 2:31 pm

“A century from now, our descendants may look back on the next year or so as a hinge in history. This could be the great turning point —”NYT

With peak renewables now imminent in a Europe reeling from an unexpected string of cold winters that depleted stored gas reserves and revealed the risks and punitive costs to industry of unreliables, three coal power plants and mines have been reactivated.

Developments in Germany are the most powerful signal. The biggest, greenest country of all with the most admired technological prowess is grasping at coal as a lifeline to fill in for failing, expensive renewables and
going to a new gas pipeline from Russia to rescue what is left of its ailing industrial production.

Certainly renewables have peaked in Germany. New installations have declined sharply over the last few years and early arrays of wind turbines are being decommissioned. There is no enthusiasm for replacement of these. With a country like Germany throwing in the towel, the rest will follow.

The NYT quote is ironically prescient. However “the hinge in history” will be turning the other way, away from the self immolating madness of world leaders, institutions, academia, the scientific establishment and hundreds of millions of brain-washed fearful citizens.

griff
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 2, 2021 12:56 am

Well yes, but the 3 power plants had only just been closed… so teething troubles with the shut down programme, no more. 11 were actually shut down – not all restarted.

German offshore wind continues to be developed: though there are some of the oldest turbines on shore seeing the end of subsidies, very many are being uprated.

Really, Germany isn’t reaching peak renewables… it is a maturing renewable environment, but roll out, coal retirement continue.

Here’s a statement on offshore wind:
“To achieve the new expansion target of 20 GW German offshore wind by 2030, in the tenders from 2021 a volume of 9.2 GW must be tendered, awarded and realized. The project areas specified for this purpose in the 2020 Site Development Plan (German: Flächenentwicklungsplan or FEP) are more than sufficient.”

Christopher Hanley
July 1, 2021 3:09 pm

Take a look at Farhad’s Wiki page, all third person singular pronouns have been cancelled e.g. “… Manjoo was a staff writer for Slate magazine from 2008 to September 2013, when they left to join The Wall Street Journal as a technology columnist …”.

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John Loop
July 1, 2021 4:26 pm

Kerry has already spilled the truth, acknowledging that there really isn’t anything the US [even the WEST] can do about “climate change” in the face of China/India/rest of the world barreling ahead with coal plants, etc. I guess Kerry has been cancelled, doesn’t support the narrative. Somebody needs to fly a permanent banner over the east and west coasts with this truth.

Quilter52
July 1, 2021 6:03 pm

i thought a century from now we were all going to be dead according to the Climate Change cultists. So why will our dead children care!

Tom Abbott
July 1, 2021 7:59 pm

From the article: “A century from now, our descendants may look back on the next year or so as a hinge in history. This could be the great turning point — an opportunity for the United States to finally take grand action to curb the worst effects of a climate barreling toward catastrophe.”

If the U.S. stopped producing CO2 tomorrow it wouldn’t stop CO2 from increasing in the atmosphere because the Chinese and Indians and lots of other nations are continuing to increase their CO2 output as they build more and more fossil-fueled powerplants.

Get China on board, and then come back and see us.

griff
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 2, 2021 12:45 am

Really it is just the Chinese and Indians now and the Indians are slowing… maybe the Indonesians…

but places like Vietnam, S Korea, Japan, Philippines, Kenya have all started cancelling new coal plant.

KevinM
July 2, 2021 6:16 am

A century from now, our descendants may look back on the next year or so as a hinge in history.”

I’m amazed that a 43 year-old would make such an ignorant statement… about any topic.

Larry in Texas
July 2, 2021 6:34 am

Just another example of Sleepy Joe’s senility. I even wonder whether he understands ANYTHING about either bill to begin with.

Editor
July 2, 2021 2:05 pm

Eric ==> As with many newspapers, the content in the Opinion Section in which the Manjoo piece appeared does not reflect the opinion of “the newspaper” or its Editors or Owners.

The second article cited as “also from the New York Times” is a news article and it is considered, in many circles, to be authoritative — purportedly fact-checked and dependable. It is correct to say the news item is “from the NY Times” — it is “team-authored” by three NY Times journalists.

The Opinion piece by Manjoo is not “from the NY Times”. It is from Manjoo and printed as an Opinion Piece in the NY Times Opinion Section, which is dedicated (though it no longer delievers its promise) to giving voice to divergent opinions across the political spectrum. Items in the opinion section do not reflect the political or social positions of the newspaper etc etc.

Given the blurring of opinion and news reporting in today’s media, it is even more important to distinguish between the two when reporting about newspaper (media) content.

Ferdberple
July 2, 2021 5:01 pm

A non issue. Pelosi will not allow the infrastructure bill to advance to the senate unless the reconciliation bill passes. Crying Chuck will do the same in the senate.

Biden’s walk back was a carefully worded statement by his staffers to hide the fact the dems gave a bunch of rhinos the shaft.

bri
July 7, 2021 9:25 pm

Trump is President. Biden is a regime leader and face of an illegal and illegitimate coup. AZ,GA and PA will soon prove it.

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