John Stossel Pushes Back Against FB Censorship

Facebook censors my video, calling it “partly false.”

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Before Facebook censored it, my video, “Are We Doomed”, got more 24 million views.

You can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8JZo…

Now Facebook won’t show it to many people — not even to my subscribers. Facebook’s also punishing Stossel TV by showing our other videos less. 

All because Facebook foolishly gave Emmanuel Vincent, a recent PhD graduate from France, the power to censor. 

Vincent assembled a group of like-minded scientists into a group called Climate Feedback climatefeedback.org that declared parts of my video “misleading,” or “partially false.”

What facts did the “fact-checkers” correct?  NONE!  There was not a single hard fact that in the video that was wrong.  

We address the censor’s claims here, listing our sources: https://www.johnstossel.com/climate-f…

I asked one Vincent “reviewer,” the only one willing to be interviewed, why I deserve censorship even though our facts were correct.

“The problem is the omission of contextual information rather than specific “facts” being “wrong,”” says Patrick Brown, Assistant Professor at San Jose State University.

Some “fact-check.”

“What kills me,” I complain to Brown, “is that when Climate Feedback rates me partly false, that significantly reduces the number of people who see it — and see my other videos. So this is really important to me that it be done fairly.”

“I am sympathetic with what you’re saying,” he responds.  “At the same time as a

consumer of information, I like the idea of having some type of system where content can be compared to what experts think.” 

But Facebook’s choice of “experts” is absurd.   

Emmanuel Vincent proudly says “all the climate scientists that I know personally agree that climate change is real, that it’s serious, and we can do something about it.”

Well, of course climate change is real!   But how serious a threat it is, and whether we can do much about it with today’s technology deserves debate. Victor’s little group STOPS debate.

Remarkably, Facebook lets them.

Watch the video above and decide for yourself.

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High Treason
June 8, 2021 6:08 pm

We all know the science is settled-Santa Claus is real. Dissenting views are simply not allowed.

starzmom
Reply to  High Treason
June 9, 2021 5:20 am

This is demonstrably true as each Dec. 24, NORAD makes regular announcements on radio, TV and the internet outlets as to Santa’s progress around the world, as tracked by NORAD radar stations. Why would NORAD lie about such an important fact?

Bill Everett
Reply to  High Treason
June 9, 2021 3:36 pm

The atmospheric CO2 level was 317ppm in 1960 and 417ppm by the end of 2020, a 100 ppm increase in 60 years. If the UNIPCC estimate of the human CO2 contribution of five percent is accurate then humans contributed only 5ppm of CO2 in the last 60 years. Hardly a temperature or climate changer.

WR2
June 8, 2021 6:10 pm

Host it somewhere other than FB or YT and I will watch it. Otherwise nope.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  WR2
June 8, 2021 7:21 pm

I notice you did not list the other prominent places where he should have it be posted?

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
June 8, 2021 7:37 pm

Rumble

Kevin
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
June 8, 2021 8:35 pm

Not Rumble. I looked into Rumble as Youtube shut down my channel with no warning. Rumble says it will not tolerate harassment, hate or anti-semitism which sounds reasonable but the definitions of each are nebulous and constantly expanding. Plus, Peter Thiel is one of the investors, never a good sign.

I like Odysee which is blockchain based and more difficult to censor. It is far better done than bitchute. The only problem being, as a relatively new platform, it doesn’t have the content of Youtube.

Derg
Reply to  Kevin
June 8, 2021 8:38 pm

Blockchain based…that is funny

TonyG
Reply to  Kevin
June 9, 2021 10:18 am

gab tv?

herb
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
June 10, 2021 12:50 am

3speak. It’s the only truly decentralized alternative

Robert Keon
June 8, 2021 6:14 pm

Looks like Yooutube have taken down your “Are We Doomed” video now.

Mike
Reply to  Robert Keon
June 8, 2021 6:29 pm

Yep. Video unavailable.

Mike
Reply to  Mike
June 8, 2021 6:30 pm

You can see it here today – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8JZo6PzpCU

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Mike
June 9, 2021 9:19 am

I’ll check it out and Stossel TV also.

Reply to  Mike
June 9, 2021 9:33 am

Can’t find s.th. wrong in it.

Danley Wolfe
June 8, 2021 6:19 pm

If Facebook were judged on whether it is factual, fair and balanced it would be shut down immediately. The social media such as Facebook and Twitter smacked down on its biased and inconsistent actions to censor… in fact I think probably the power to “censor” needs to be better and clearly defined, and political censorship should be stopped entirely.

Duker
Reply to  Danley Wolfe
June 9, 2021 1:24 am

It’s a private business, it doesn’t need to be any more fair or balanced than Fox or NY times, neither of which are.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Duker
June 9, 2021 3:39 am

but there is a difference- newspapers and TV news shows are not authored by the public like YT and FB which are forums not media outlets- think about it

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Matthew Siekierski
Reply to  Duker
June 9, 2021 4:44 am

In that case they are a publisher and not merely a platform, and should be subject to regulations and liabilities other publishers face.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Duker
June 9, 2021 6:20 am

It has a section 230 exemption, knucklehead, which let’s them pretend that they are an open platform and merely providing a public forum. If they were a publisher they would be held accountable for the content. That means they are not supposed to screen, alter, or otherwise tamper with a provider’s content. This is a section of the law more honored in the breach.

Your Majesty
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
June 9, 2021 9:12 am

Pretending to fair-minded and scientific is all part of the mob-authorized wokeness.

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  Duker
June 9, 2021 6:40 am

They have replaced phones and mail as a main form of communication. Last time I recall these being widely censored were for the military in WWII.

Jeffery P
Reply to  Duker
June 9, 2021 8:35 am

Fox News is consistently the most fair and balanced. Opinion is separate from news. The Fox News opinion and commentary programming often brings in guests who disagree with the hosts opinion.

Mark D
Reply to  Jeffery P
June 9, 2021 3:52 pm

A few years ago I would agree. Today, not so much.

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
June 9, 2021 9:11 am

In my experience, those who whine about how “unfair” Fox is, are upset that Fox disagrees with liberals.

KevinM
Reply to  MarkW
June 9, 2021 9:31 am

Fox included, media networks don’t invest in non-entertainment content. They focus on presenting existing content.

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TonyG
Reply to  Duker
June 9, 2021 10:20 am

Fox and NYT are not censoring other peoples content, like FB is.

When in history have those who want to limit speech been the good guys?

Mark D
Reply to  Duker
June 9, 2021 3:50 pm

Sure and if the electric company doesn’t like you it can turn off your electric. Sounds reasonable doesn’t it?

Jim Veenbaas
June 8, 2021 6:34 pm

I wonder how long Patrick Brown will be at Climate Feedback – a day, a week, maybe a month?

John the Econ
June 8, 2021 6:44 pm

So he didn’t fail the “fact check”. He failed the “tone check”. Got it.

Stephen Rasey
June 8, 2021 6:48 pm

“Climate Feedback” should be known as “Climate Upchuck”

John Barrett
June 8, 2021 6:53 pm

I wonder if they study the dystopian novels,1984 and a Brave New World, in the schools these days, as we oldies did? Anyone, with half a brain, reading these books would realize we wouldn’t want to live in such societies.  “It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.” Yet we are.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  John Barrett
June 8, 2021 7:37 pm

‘We’ embraced it.

I started observing and commenting on this a few years ago. The mass would happily with one hand talk about how they would only live in a society that respected their total privacy, then used the other hand to post their entire life history onto social media.

The public LET big tech willingly into their lives because ‘Shiny Thing’.

Joel Snider
Reply to  John Barrett
June 8, 2021 11:17 pm

They’re using these sorts of books as an instruction manual to establish totalitarian control.
And all they have to do to justify it is constantly rationalize themselves into the moral high ground.

alastair gray
Reply to  John Barrett
June 8, 2021 11:42 pm

Spot on We must all also re-read The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, and a merger of Google Facebook Microsoft and Amazon -which may come about wou;ld com,e to resemble the Sirius Cybernetic Corporation

The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy describes the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation as: “A bunch of mindless jerks who’ll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.”
Curiously, an edition of the Encyclopedia Galactica which fell through a rift in the time-space continuum from 1000 years in the future describes the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation as: “A bunch of mindless jerks who were the first against the wall when the revolution came.”
Only their complaints department survived the general economic implosion of the company as a whole.
We have been warned

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  alastair gray
June 9, 2021 12:23 am

I like the logo that gets half buried by an earthquake or something, and the result reads ‘Go stick your head in a pig’. It’s no longer illuminated, except on public festivals.

Abolition Man
Reply to  alastair gray
June 9, 2021 11:11 am

The High Tech Nazis deserve to be some of the first against the wall for their handling of the ChiCom virus alone! They helped kill thousands of Americans by suppressing safe and effective treatments like ivermectin and HCQ; and they are still killing and injuring thousands with their promotion of the “vaccines” that have more adverse reactions and deaths than ALL OTHER real vaccines over the last thirty years!
Stand ‘em up right next to Govs. Whitmer and Cuomo! Typical Fascists; censorship and murder are part of the daily routine!

TonyG
Reply to  John Barrett
June 9, 2021 10:22 am

I’ve met people who have read 1984 yet are somehow able to look at stuff like this and defend it.

June 8, 2021 7:41 pm

Here’s the context that’s missing from Stossel’s report:

The IPCC embraced massive amplification by positive feedback as the holy grail theoretical justification for socialist policies to give the developing world a boost by throttling the prosperity of the developed world under the guise of climate reparations.

The feedback model they embraced was fatally flawed, but plausible enough to fool many on all sides as they maneuvered themselves as the arbiter of what is and what is not climate science, solidifying their hold on preserving the deception.

The IPCC absolutely knows how, why and where they are wrong, but can never correct it, because once corrected, they no longer have a reason to exist, as the true sensitivity is below the lower bound they chose at their inception because any lesser effect would not justify their cause.

Radical enviro-mentalism, which hates anything having to do with oil companies, and their Marxist brethren jumped on the CAGW band wagon, dragging the political left down with them. Once politicized, the scientific method lost out to conformance to a political narrative.

The MSM cancel culture then arose to suppress dissent by following the lead of the enforcement arms of all repressive police states by making people with different points of view disappear.

Reply to  co2isnotevil
June 8, 2021 9:23 pm

CO2:
Your website is very interesting reading
Unbiased science, not climate change politics and hysteria
A new “Top 10” (out of 100) bookmark for me.
Highly recommended.

Doonman
Reply to  co2isnotevil
June 9, 2021 10:47 am

By George, I think he’s got it.

The only thing missing is the creation of election month.

Craig from Oz
June 8, 2021 7:41 pm

There is of course a long game solution into reducing the power of Facebook.

Don’t use Facebook.

Not saying it is an easy solution. I still have a couple of social circles/groups that insist on using a FB group to communicate and they mildly suggest when I question them on what is going on that they posted the info on the FB Group and hence I should already know. Saying “I no longer use Facebook” can get you funny looks, but if you want to tell FB to Zuck off you have to be firm.

TC in the OC
Reply to  Craig from Oz
June 8, 2021 8:28 pm

Not sure if you have been paying attention to the Coronavirus origin story. Peter Daszak was one of the fact checkers used by Facebook to block any discussion of where it started besides a natural origin. Only problem is he is very much up to his neck in the gain of function research that was moved to the Wuhan lab.

Facebook doesn’t care about the truth just about following the narrative.

Peter Daszak, whose organization funded coronavirus gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, appeared in multiple media fact-checks that sought to dispel the notion the coronavirus accidentally emerged from the lab. | Fox News

https://www.foxnews.com/media/daszak-fact-checks-coronavirus-wuhan-lab

Hope the link works. There is also more on zerohedge. Fauci and Daszak have so much invested in keeping the origin a secret.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TC in the OC
June 9, 2021 5:40 am

“Facebook doesn’t care about the truth just about following the narrative.”

That’s right.

bonbon
Reply to  TC in the OC
June 9, 2021 7:05 am

Dr. Peter Daszak – EcoHealth Alliance , a British outfit.
Formed from 2 of 46 nature Trusts in the U.K. Jersey and the Channel Islands. One with the caring favors of Princess Anne. Have a look at what this outfit actually does.
Living Safely with Bats – EcoHealth Alliance

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Reply to  TC in the OC
June 9, 2021 12:36 pm

There was no increase in total deaths in Alberta or Canada up to 30June2020 – no increase in total deaths means no deadly pandemic. The lockdowns etc were never justified.

I knew about the Dr Fauci involvement about one year ago – he originated the gain-of-function virus research and offshored it to Wuhan when it was declared illegal in the USA.

A year ago I concluded that the Covid-19 virus originated from the Wuhan lab and not at the wet market. The only question then was “did the virus jump (escape), or was it pushed?”

Based on all the dystopian events since then, I conclude the virus was pushed out of the lab – deliberately released for political and financial gain.

The gross mismanagement of this false pandemic since Day 1 cannot be simply ascribed to incompetence – there was never any justification for the lockdown of under-65’s – all we needed to do was over-protect the very elderly and infirm. I published that conclusion with confidence on 21March2020 and that was correct.

The lockdowns have cost society about one hundred times more harm than the Covid-19 illness – it was never a close call. A criminal case is being prepared in Canada to pursue our government leaders for criminal negligence.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 9, 2021 10:15 pm

WHO’s Chief Scientist Served with Legal Notice for Disinformation and Suppression of Evidence
http://alethonews.com/2021/06/09/whos-chief-scientist-served-with-legal-notice-for-disinformation-and-suppression-of-evidence/
By Colin Todhunter | OffGuardian | June 9, 2021

On 25 May 2021, the Indian Bar Association (IBA) served a 51-page legal notice on Dr Soumya Swaminathan, the Chief Scientist at the World Health Organisation (WHO), for:
[H]er act of spreading disinformation and misguiding the people of India, in order to fulfil her agenda.”
The Mumbai-based IBA is an association of lawyers who strive to bring transparency and accountability to the Indian justice system. It is actively involved in the dissemination of legal knowledge and provides guidance and support to advocates and ordinary people in their fight for justice.
The legal notice says Dr Swaminathan has been:
Running a disinformation campaign against Ivermectin by deliberate suppression of effectiveness of drug Ivermectin as prophylaxis and for treatment of COVID-19, despite the existence of large amounts of clinical data compiled and presented by esteemed, highly qualified, experienced medical doctors and scientists,”
And:
Issuing statements in social media and mainstream media, thereby influencing the public against the use of Ivermectin and attacking the credibility of acclaimed bodies/institutes like ICMR and AIIMS, Delhi, which have included ‘Ivermectin’ in the ‘National Guidelines for COVID-19 management’.”
The IBA states that legal action is being taken against Dr Swaminathan in order to stop her from causing further damage to the lives of citizens of India.urther damage to the lives of citizens of India.

Reply to  Craig from Oz
June 8, 2021 9:47 pm

THE ONLY SOLUTION:

I don’t use Facebook or Twitter
Never have, never will
My issue was privacy
The new issue of censorship is much worse.

Speaking as a libertarian, and I also speak for conservatives:

Use Facebook and Twitter only if you prefer censorship, which supports fascism.

If you had a happy life before Facebook and Twitter were invented,
there is no reason you can not have a happy life WITHOUT THEM.

If you support Facebook and Twitter, for any reason, you are a hypocrite.

TELL OTHERS you do not use services of biased companies.

BE PROUD of supporting your free speech and personal freedom beliefs.

Liberals used to stand for those important ideals
— now they oppose personal freedom.

If you are not part of the solution to end censorship.
then you are part of the problem.

Richard Greene
Bingham Farms, Michigan
I do not tolerate pro-leftist censorship

Reply to  Richard Greene
June 10, 2021 4:00 am

Well said Richard. To be very clear, they may call themselves Liberals, or Progressives, but they really are Marxists – and they’ve been programmed.

It’s called “The Long March of the Institutions” – started in the 1930’s and going strong.

The novel “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, written by George Orwell in 1949, foresaw a time “when much of the world has fallen victim to perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance, historical negationism and propaganda”.

Orwell had remarkable foresight. Here is the real “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, an interview that year with ex-KGB officer and Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov, who described their long-term program to ideologically undermine the western democracies. Note especially Bezmenov’s discussion of “ideological subversion”. It is all about manipulating the “useful idiots” – the pro-Soviet leftists within the democracies.
 
https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA

The following papers explain what is happening and why:

SCIENCE’S UNTOLD SCANDAL: THE LOCKSTEP MARCH OF PROFESSIONAL SOCIETIES TO PROMOTE CLIMATE CHANGE
By Tom Harris and Dr. Jay Lehr, May 24, 2019
wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/25/sciences-untold-scandal-the-lockstep-march-of-professional-societies-to-promote-the-climate-change-scare/

HYPOTHESIS: RADICAL GREENS ARE THE GREAT KILLERS OF OUR AGE
By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., April 14, 2019
wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/14/hypothesis-radical-greens-are-the-great-killers-of-our-age/

THE COST TO SOCIETY OF RADICAL ENVIRONMENTALISM
By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., July 4, 2019
wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/04/the-cost-to-society-of-radical-environmentalism/

There was a good reason I published this paper on July 4.
If the USA falls, there is nowhere left to run to.
Regards, Allan.in Calgary

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 10, 2021 4:59 pm

Posted in 2017 but really from the 1960’s:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/19/bhp-breaks-with-the-world-coal-association-over-climate-change/#comment-2240011

“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.” – Groucho Marx

When I was at McGill in the 1960’s, there were over a dozen different Marxist parties. We categorized them into two groups: the angry, violent Groucho Marxists with their ugly, greasy-haired women, and the Harpo Marxists, with their “peace and love” mantras and their beautiful flaxen-haired women.

Marxism made simple!

The Groucho Marxists are the leaders – they want power for its own sake at any cost, and typically are sociopaths or psychopaths. The great killers of recent history, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot. etc. were of this odious ilk – first they get power, then they implement their crazy schemes that do not work and too often kill everyone who opposes them.

The Harpo Marxists are the followers – the “sheeple” – these are people of less-than-average intelligence who are easily duped and follow the Groucho’s until it is too late, their rights are lost and their society destroyed. They are attracted to simplistic concepts that “feel good” but rarely “do good”.

George Carlin said: “You know how stupid the average person is, right? Well, half of them are stupider than that!”

One can easily identify many members of these two groups in the global warming debate – and none of them are “climate skeptics”.

alastair gray
Reply to  Craig from Oz
June 8, 2021 11:50 pm

Many years ago when I fist discovered Facebook I accidentally sent out an invitation to all on my contact list. I was misanthropically delighted that few replied to my seemingly pathetic and needy cry to be loved. I pretty much ignore FB except for the occasional picture of cute and interest2ing family posts but even that gets contaminated by the lamentable choice of “Friends ” of my family solipsistically assuming that the trivia of their daily lives matter diddly =squat to anyone.
PS Can I befriend Victor Meldrew on Facebook?

leowaj
Reply to  Craig from Oz
June 9, 2021 10:16 am

Craig, I gave up Facebook about 6 years ago. Recently, I landed in a new social circle and had an experience similar to yours. There’s a sizable chunk of information I miss out on because I am not on Facebook anymore. “I don’t know if you saw the pictures I posted on Facebook…” or, “Yeah, it was a discussion on Facebook…”, these mean little to me. I’ve reached the point where the information on Facebook that I do not see is of little value any way; I’m not missing out on anything. I’m only missing out on the speed at which I learn the information. Everyone else learns of something new the moment it is posted whereas I learn of it the next time we have a face-to-face conversation. And nothing is different because of this delay.

markl
June 8, 2021 7:55 pm

Slowly all dissenting voices are being silenced on more subjects than just AGW. How long, and to what depth, will the people put up with it? Do they know? I think they do.

philincalifornia
June 8, 2021 8:01 pm

Emmanuel Vincent proudly says “all the climate scientists that I know personally agree that climate change is real, that it’s serious, and we can do something about it.”

They agree blah blah blah, or did they show you their data Emmanuel? If it’s the latter, why didn’t you provide a follow-up paragraph saying what it is?

(By the way, I know why not)

“… and we can do something about it” The chant of the calculator-dodger. Fortunately we don’t need to do anything about it. If we did, it wouldn’t be scientific nitwits like Emmanuel jawing about it.

Rob Thomson
Reply to  philincalifornia
June 8, 2021 11:07 pm

“Our” David Frame (IPCC lead author) says he has not met a climate science sceptic in 20 years and that there is overwhelming support from the consensus that this is serious stuff….worse than we thought says “our” Climate Commission.
Help!

Jeffery P
Reply to  philincalifornia
June 9, 2021 8:40 am

Ain’t that nice. Since when is consensus (“all the climate scientists that I personally know agree…”) science?

Emmanuel Vincent needs to pull his head of his elbow and get to know more scientists. A lesson on the scientific method would be helpful, too.

MarkW
Reply to  philincalifornia
June 9, 2021 9:17 am

What Mr. Vincent isn’t telling you is that he is using a circular argument here.
Of course all the “climate scientists” that he knows agree that “climate change is real, that it’s serious, and we can do something about it”, because in his “mind” you can’t be a “climate scientist unless you agree that “climate change is real, that it’s serious, and we can do something about it”.

June 8, 2021 8:12 pm

Some folks perceive that bright minds are often corrupted by academia
https://youtu.be/qkXZ3_ZmKzw
Tony Heller

stinkerp
June 8, 2021 8:21 pm

Proof, once again, that climate alarmist “experts” are uninformed, innumerate, and anti-science. And almost all of them refuse to debate or engage with skeptics, likely because they are incapable of defending their views with logic and facts and are afraid that it fuels (legitimate) doubt in those whose views are open to persuasion.

Patrick Brown deserves respect for responding and engaging in a conversation, but he is as innumerate as the rest of his clan of alarmists. He’s worried about 200 feet of sea level rise a thousand years from now. He is clearly unaware that the rate of sea level rise (from satellite telemetry) is 3.3 mm per year with no statistically significant acceleration. In a thousand years, that works out to 3.3 meters, about 11 feet, which is a fraction (5.4%) of the 200 feet he mentions. The trend derived from satellite data is consistently higher than that from tide gauges, so sea level in 3100, if the current trend continues, may be quite a bit less than 11 feet.

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Pat from kerbob
Reply to  stinkerp
June 8, 2021 9:21 pm

The “ice age cometh” will definitely be comething by then so even that is not a worry

Gbees
June 8, 2021 8:23 pm

Climate change is real alright but has nothing to do with human CO2 emissions.

WXcycles
June 8, 2021 8:42 pm

Within our extremely ‘advanced’ and ultra confident world you can have a scientifically measured global temperature trend reality like this graph depicts:

https://elonionbloggle.blogspot.com/

… and yet still successfully have hundreds of millions of utter idiots fall for the completely obvious ‘democratic’ politics and media-driven clap-trap that the planet’s climate has gone completely off the rails, and that we have only 10 years to avoid a total global climate calamity.

“I can save you, send money now!”

And only within this sort of world would you have a complete ***king clown running the UN who pushes such insane clap-trap onto everyone as the #1 completely imaginary mega-problem facing all of humanity.

Who needs censorship or denial of facts via faux fact-checks?

When is this graph above going to be made a ‘sticky’ behind the lectern within the UN General Assembly’s main chamber?

Then I’ll believe they’re serious about fact-checks, censorship, and telling the truth, or at all concerned about humanity’s future, and are not just rotten to the very core of their being.

Almost everyone ignores the observational record, and also the paradisaical abundant and very healthy planetary reality that is all around them every day.

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Ed B
June 8, 2021 9:01 pm

I’d love to share this on Facebook, but they remove any posts with links to anything on WUWT. I found this out last Saturday, and immediately gave Facebook a 7 day suspension.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Ed B
June 9, 2021 3:47 am

Well, maybe WUWT should take pride in being “forbidden” on FB- and pass the word around- forbidden things are often just what people want- at least they can just come here- the hell with FB- perhaps the top of WUWT should probably make this claim- that alone might get media attention.

Lowell
June 8, 2021 9:49 pm

Emmanuel Vincent proudly says “all the climate scientists that I know personally agree that climate change is real, that it’s serious, and we can do something about it.”

All the time we here that only climate scientists can evaluate climate science. Well by the same standard only Engineers and preferably unbiased ones can evaluate if we can do something about it. Climate scientists are not qualified to determine that. They should stop obstructing real evaluation of solutions.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Lowell
June 9, 2021 3:53 am

“All the time we here that only climate scientists can evaluate climate science.” Yuh, but the reason that’s wrong is that it’s the only science calling for a world wide revolution of our economies and social systems (for climate justice of course) at tremendous expense- it makes the French and Russian revolutions look like a picnic. So everyone has a right to evaluate climate science.

starzmom
Reply to  Lowell
June 9, 2021 5:26 am

Michael Mann has a PhD in geology. What makes him a climate scientist?

Earthling2
June 8, 2021 9:50 pm

The video here at the top of the post doesn’t play either, and tried it in two different browsers. It just plays a message with the little circling wheel…. “If playback doesn’t start soon, try restarting your device”.

I quit Facebook and Twitter, but I do keep about 50 recent tabs open with WUWT articles just on Chrome, just so as Google knows my interests. It’s too bad that the big Social Media went full on Marxist, as it will be their own undoing. Trying to quit LinkedIn, but can’t remember my login details to even log in, and never hardly used it. The internet is near broken…

Mark D
Reply to  Earthling2
June 9, 2021 4:06 pm

My children hassled me into a fb account whenit first became a thing. I dropped it shortly thereafter as an inane waste of time. Don’t get me started as to the evils of google.

alastair gray
June 8, 2021 11:24 pm

hen I load the video link I get “Video unavailable to me Can you supply another link please

Matthew Sykes
June 9, 2021 12:02 am

all the climate scientists that I know personally agree that climate change is real, that it’s serious” thats what you get for living in an echo chamber and censoring what others say.

Mike Maguire
June 9, 2021 12:46 am

I’ve linked some of my climate reality discussions/threads on both Facebook and Twitter before with no apparent issues. Maybe I just haven’t showed up on their radar………….yet. Or a few posts did get censored and I never knew about it.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27864/

Peta of Newark
June 9, 2021 2:31 am

The argument is exactly like the arguments you get into with drunks.

  • Urge you to join them (in a drink)
  • Inflexible
  • Constant appeals to authority and consensus
  • Out and out belligerence
  • Will never ‘go back’ on either themselves or their authority
  • Increasing stridency, leading to:
  • Violence. Initially verbal…..

And while The World eats and continues to eat ever increasing amounts of a potent alcohol mimic, it can only get worse.
Safe the belligerent knowledge of themselves and their authorities that it is a ‘staple food’

Alarmists are correct in everything they say, it is a self fulfilling prophecy.
The climate is changing, entirely because of the production of that alcohol mimic and that has taken down every previous attempt humans made at ‘Settled Civilisation’ vs ‘Nomadism’
Protagonists and victims alike either walked away (returned to nomadism) or went to war.

Your shout, which of those two evils is the lesser?
Slight problem: This time, there is no place left to walk to

There is a 3rd way – it requires the drunks to sober up.

Charles Fairbairn
June 9, 2021 4:05 am

Facebook has signed up to BIG BROTHER.

ozspeaksup
June 9, 2021 4:17 am

such a pity FK u over books servers dont go down and STAY down

Sara
June 9, 2021 4:38 am

Oh, geezo Pete, JS, just sue the pants off the buzzards for impeding your 1st Amendment rights (Freedom of Speech, etc.) and make them look ridiculous.

Anyone who is afraid of a different point of view is emotionally immature, a greedy sot, and a self-important p***k.

That argument that “I may disagree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it” is a valid excuse to make them look like the dorks they are. And they’re afraid that if people listen to YOU, they’ll lose a big chunk of cash. Always follow the money, JS. Always!!!

Sara
Reply to  Sara
June 9, 2021 4:52 am

P.S. A good reference for 1st Amendment stuff is a reference to Henry Miller finally being allowed to publish his pornography in the USA instead of being forced to do it in Europe, because the Boston censors didn’t like porn. He won. The Boston censors lost. Henry published thereafter in the USA (and elsewhere). Don’t whine. Make Zuckerberg look as ridiculous as he is.

starzmom
Reply to  Sara
June 9, 2021 5:29 am

Unfortunately the First Amendment only prevents governmental restriction of speech, and FaceBook is not a government agency or arm, however much they may act like one.

Timo, not that one
Reply to  starzmom
June 9, 2021 7:17 am

Make them a public utility and they have to obey the First Amendment.

Sara
Reply to  starzmom
June 9, 2021 10:47 am

Fakebook is a publicly-held company. Zuckie allowed the public sale of stock in the company, so yeah, they CAN be sued re: 1st Amendment.

If, however, they post a public disclaimer stating that they disagree with specifics, it weakens the possibility of losing if they are sued. Their “judgment skills” (quotes are intentional) about what IS and IS NOT valid, as opposed to offensive, are the subject and I don’t think they have a leg to stand on.

If, however, they don’t want people posting opinions that disagrees with their “personal viewpoints”, then they are still acting as a privately-owned corporation and should redeem all the stock that people have bought. At $333.34/share, that’s a lotta cash.

Essentially, they no longer have the right to censure people’s opinions no matter how much they disagree with the viewpoint. Threats – yes. Opposing viewpoints – no.

Mark D
Reply to  Sara
June 9, 2021 4:09 pm

Not agreeing with fkbk is a threat don’t cha know?

Tom Abbott
June 9, 2021 5:26 am

“Well, of course climate change is real!”

That would depend on the definiton of “climate change”.

Those two words mean different things to different people. Human-caused, or Mother Nature caused? There’s no evidence for Human-caused Climate Change. There is definitely no evidence for “Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change”.

So when John says it is real, what does he mean? Well, in this case, he means Human-caused, but he doesn’t have any evidence for it, so it is an empty claim.

Planning Engineer
June 9, 2021 5:43 am

Emmanuel Vincent proudly says “all the climate scientists that I know personally agree that climate change is real, that it’s serious, and we can do something about it.”

Climate scientists in general have no specific expertise, training or capability to evaluate whether or not “we can do something about it”. (Unless it is said in a most trivial of ways). Unfortunately while contradicted by the the sober evaluations of real energy “experts” the opinions of climate experts as to “solutions” are accepted by Facebook and others as gospel.

Facebook might want to consider getting an expert (or at least someone with a basic understanding of energy realities) on board. or they could let good and bad ideas battle it out, unfettered by questionable expert oversight.

John Bell
June 9, 2021 5:56 am

When I was younger I used to worry about the far right, but now I worry about the far left and the harm they want to do. They are very intolerant, yes like nazis.

MarkW
Reply to  John Bell
June 9, 2021 9:21 am

Of course Nazis are creatures of the left. Despite the lies told by the other socialists.

Lrp
Reply to  John Bell
June 9, 2021 12:51 pm

Left is always too far.

Stephen Philbrick
June 9, 2021 6:32 am

I’d like to focus on the “rationale”

“The problem is the omission of contextual information rather than specific “facts” being “wrong,”” 

This is a loophole large enough to drive a truck through. It essentially gives license to any reviewer to flag something they don’t like. Not a single post, not here at WUWT or anywhere else on the face of the earth is so complete that someone, somewhere can’t argue that some contextual information is missing. We need to push back on this notion that something can be literally true yet flagged as partially false simply because some contextual information is omitted.

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Cat
June 9, 2021 7:08 am

Serves Stossel right for using FB. The so-called fact checker here is just another no-nothing who’s been conveniently anointed as an authority.
 
Bottom line: Boycott FB, Twit, Wikipedia, and other BSocial media, which have been allowed to throttle and manipulate the flow of information.
 
This affront to the First Amendment should have been stopped dead in its tracks years ago. Where is the US Congress?

bonbon
June 9, 2021 7:18 am

FB’s Libra, a blockchain cryptocurrency, otherwise known as Zuck’s Bucks, is now:
Diem (digital currency) – Wikipedia
It sure looks like UN Climate advisor Mark Carney, ex-Bank of England chief, is going for this global green eCurrency. BlackRock et al are all on-board.
Anyone getting in the way of this financial boondoggle, China especially is targeted.
It is naïve in the extreme to imagine this has to do with ¨rights¨ – it is about the right of global finance to do what it says, governments and states, even the US, bedamned, and hyperinflate a green bubble.

bonbon
June 9, 2021 7:42 am

I actually feel sorry for the Fact Checkers.
The idea is from Bob Newhart’s
An Infinite Number Of Monkeys – YouTube
There the theory of probability means the ¨Monitors¨ who check content.
Try to see the Web from the shoes of such Monitors.

TonyG
June 9, 2021 8:55 am

Is anyone taking any specific action to “push back”? Complaining, appealing, talking to the “fact-checkers” – we know none of that does any good.

ResourceGuy
June 9, 2021 9:10 am

It looks like well-organized censorship too.

Don’t blame the bots or software engineers, they don’t listen to political pressure as well.

Michael Jankowski
June 9, 2021 9:24 am

I got a notification from Facebook that a comment I had made “violated community standards” and was now viewable only by me. It was in response to a claim that sea level rise had accelerated dramatically. My comment included data and a link to a historical chart with no name-calling or anything offensive but was cited as “spam” or some nonsense. I think it was made at least a few years ago, too.

It doesn't add up...
June 9, 2021 9:40 am

More clogs of Nick Clegg?

Doonman
June 9, 2021 10:55 am

Any business whose plan is to aggregate and sell marketing data based on tracking my movements and preferences either on or off their site servers is a business I will never patronize.

I don’t care how many cute pictures of cats and dogs they allow to be posted.

Johan
June 9, 2021 12:55 pm

I could not access the youtube link! Censored as well?

ResourceGuy
June 9, 2021 1:45 pm

This could evolve into AAI — Agenda AI.

Corky
June 10, 2021 7:43 am

Think along the lines of a “failure of imagination.”

As presented in the interview, our distinguished professor from SJSU predicts that the sea level rise metric of 200 feet considers what will be in 1000 years.

Some not so long years ago the impetus of the government was to find a repository for spent nuclear fuel from power plants. Lots of money was poured into excavating and exploring a hole in Nevada to create the repository. However, when it came down to the final assessment, the project was scrapped in part because the hydro-geologists could not say with certainty that groundwater in the repository would not be impacted for 10,000 years.

So, we are supposed to assume that our current ability to solve problems today remains stagnant, with no consideration of our potential for discovering or creating new ways to solve yesterdays problems for the next 1000 to 1000 years.

That is the failure of their imagination. It is a failure in our imagination to believe such experts.

Reply to  Corky
June 10, 2021 2:41 pm

. . . to find a repository for spent nuclear fuel from power plants.

One possible solution are fusion reactors. They can clean-up nuclear waste. Of course, fusion reactors are only 30 years away. They’ve only been 30 years away for around 60 to 90 years now.

ResourceGuy
June 11, 2021 8:34 am

Facebook execs act this way because they know the real power and dirty tricks gang is in the hands of Dems and their agenda groups. They are steering clear of that whipping.

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