Huge change in Biden’s April 28 speech – U.S. emission reductions “don’t matter.”

Guest essay by Larry Hamlin

An article at Fox News by Liz Peek addresses a huge change in Biden’s April 28, 2021 Presidential Address to the Joint Session of Congress that was not contained in the speech distributed to the press before the speech. The speech transcript contains an additional phrase used by Biden acknowledging that U.S. emission reductions “don’t matter” as noted in the headline of the article. 

The Fox article notes:

“This is what he said, according to a New York Times transcript of the president’s remarks: “The United States accounts, as all of you know, for less than 15 percent of carbon emissions. The rest of the world accounts for 85 percent. That’s why I kept my commitment to rejoin the Paris Accord, because if we do everything perfectly, it’s not going to matter.

“It was a whopper that went unnoticed on Wednesday night; with just a few ill-chosen words Biden utterly toppled any justification for the Green New Deal, which plays a central role in his $2.3 trillion American Jobs Plan and which, without a doubt, puts our economy at risk.” 

“And, for once in his life, Joe Biden was completely correct. Even if the Biden White House clobbers our economy, puts every last coal miner and oil driller out of work and drives down U.S. fossil fuel production and consumption, it will barely bend the curve on rising global emissions.”

“It is the rest of the world we must be concerned about. The EIA projects that between 2018 and 2050 emissions from non-OECD countries will grow 1% per year. China today accounts for 28% of global carbon output; India produces 7%. The U.S., as Biden accurately noted, contributes only 15%.”

China leads the world’s developing nations that control 65% of total global emissions (shown below at about 22 billion metric tons of CO2) with these nations having no interest or desire to follow the emission reduction economic suicide schemes being undertaken by the world’s developed nations including the U.S. Democratic Party proposal to reduce the country’s emissions by 50% below year 2005 levels by year 2030.

Regardless of what the U.S. and EU propose (the EU is proposing a 55% reduction in emissions by year 2030 from year 1990 levels) in emissions reductions the upward climb of global emissions will continue unabated. It should be noted that Germany by far the largest emissions entity of the EU by over a factor of two failed to achieve its year 2020 emissions reduction target.  

The present world total emissions (shown below at about 34 billion metric tons of CO2) will increase by additional billions of metric tons by year 2030 even if the U.S. and EU spend many trillions of dollars and euros in economically destructive efforts pretending that they are saving the world from “climate change.”

During the period from 2007 to 2019 the U.S. has reduced emissions by over 900 million metric tons of CO2 primarily by using increased natural gas fuel to replace use of coal fuel with that change lowering energy costs and increasing energy efficiency. The EU has reduced emissions also by about 900 million metric tons of CO2 during this period primarily by mandated use of higher cost renewables that have left its electric rates as the highest in the world. 

It was most appropriate of Biden to inject some “truth” into his speech by acknowledging the complete futility of his scheme mandating the U.S. to undertake costly and ineffective efforts regarding his year 2030 ridiculous emissions reduction proposal. 

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Rich Davis
May 1, 2021 6:12 am

Just as the Propaganda Ministry ignored his admission of the greatest “voter fraud system” in history, they will not notice the lunacy of spending trillions of dollars borrowed from China to destroy our economy in pursuit of something that if we do it perfectly “doesn’t matter”.

Reply to  Rich Davis
May 1, 2021 6:29 am

Ditto. No matter what China says, actions speak louder than words, which is why they never intend to reach Net-Zero, as they laugh at our regressive carbon tax policies … https://newtube.app/user/RAOB/kf3DIEm

Reply to  John Shewchuk
May 1, 2021 7:14 am

The Haoji Coal Railway system.
An object lesson in how to mitigate the risk of flooding to your critical transport infrastructure.

Vuk
Reply to  John Shewchuk
May 1, 2021 8:29 am

Yea, but Biden junior still has not sold his shares in the Chinese private equity firm.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/30/hunter-biden-continues-to-invest-in-equity-firm-linked-to-chinas-central-bank/

Bryan A
Reply to  Vuk
May 1, 2021 11:34 am

He’s probably hunting for a more regressive place to invest it

Willem Post
Reply to  Vuk
May 1, 2021 2:50 pm

He would have to pay capital gains taxes.
Then, the IRS could investigate him, after Daddy leaves the White House on a stretcher.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 1, 2021 8:16 am

Give Biden some credit Rich, even a broken clock is right twice a day. 🙂

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
May 1, 2021 9:11 am

Only an analog clock. If it’s digital, it’s just broken.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
May 1, 2021 9:25 am

Not so. Dementia Zhou is always running 45 minutes slow.

Bryan A
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 1, 2021 11:33 am

That’s because he’s on Commie Time

Kpar
Reply to  Bryan A
May 1, 2021 3:46 pm

I think there should be a parody song based on “Livin’ on Tulsa Time”.

I wonder if we could interest Weird Al?

Or maybe Paul Shanklin?

Last edited 9 days ago by Kpar
ATheoK
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
May 1, 2021 4:36 pm

Which vacant eyeball of Biden’s are you looking for clock hands?

commieBob
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 1, 2021 8:40 am

There are a couple of ways to look at it.

Both the Democrats and the Republicans are on board with the idea that China is a problematic trading partner. That’s why Biden has been quietly continuing some of President Trump’s policies.

Just as the Uyghurs are a club with which to beat China, CO2 emissions are also a weapon in the arsenal.

Biden’s comment could be an excuse to throw huge tariffs on goods from high emitting countries like China.

Of course Biden’s words may actually be an admission that it would be foolish to continue down the ‘renewable’ energy path. Somehow I doubt that.

In any event, it seems unlikely that Biden’s words were a slip of the tongue or in any way accidental.

Rich Davis
Reply to  commieBob
May 1, 2021 9:23 am

I guess it depends on whether Obama’s teleprompter told him to say it (or maybe his radio earpiece (“Salute the Marines”); or if he went off on a “you know the thing” moment.

I agree that either one is possible.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  commieBob
May 1, 2021 11:08 am

“Biden’s comment could be an excuse to throw huge tariffs on goods from high emitting countries like China.” Don’t we already have those on China? Or have Trump’s tariffs been removed? I didn’t notice that.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 1, 2021 12:07 pm

The Trump tarrifs still apply to the Chicoms. Biden has not undone that yet.

I hear Trump is going to start holding political rallies around the nation like he did before the election. That will be interesting. Fun, too, I bet, at least for his supporters. The Left will have a mental breakdown over it, of course.

Eric Elsam
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 1, 2021 5:49 pm

The MSM/Dems be delighted for Trump to get back into the game. His sudden exit left them with very little to say.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Eric Elsam
May 2, 2021 3:06 am

Oh, yeah, the Democrats and the MSM are rudderless without Trump. They are still talking about him and blaming him 100 days after Biden took Office.

They will love it when he is back in the public eye. They won’t love him, they will just love the opportunity to smear Trump and his supporters some more.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 2, 2021 4:03 am

I’m wondering if the timing of Trump’s return to the public arena is predicated on the outcome of the audit of the vote in the State of Arizona?

Trump said yesterday that the Arizona vote audit was going well, and I think all the legal hurdles the Democrats threw in the way are now resolved, so the audit will proceed, and I assume, results will be coming fairly soon.

If the vote fraud is evident after the audit, I can see how Trump would use that to propel the Trump movement forward. So will he go public before the results are in, or wait until after? That’s the question in my mind.

George Daddis
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 1, 2021 12:44 pm

What a lot of people are missing about Joes verbal gaffe re his “fraud system” is that what he really meant was that he had assembled a vast collection of lawyers and staff to challenge the election from every direction in the event he lost. So if defeated I doubt he would have dismissed that army of lawyers and retired quietly to Delaware. Every election rock would have been overturned.

But if Trump questions his loss, every Dem (and a collusion of unions, big tech, corporations, wall street and BLM per Mollie Ball – TIME magazine) claim he is “destroying democracy”.

ResourceGuy
May 1, 2021 6:16 am

In the rush to dig up the gold treasure, there comes a point when they cast aside the distraction stories used on the other searchers off in the distance. Be a good little lapdog journalist and move along now.

Tom Halla
May 1, 2021 6:17 am

Yeah, but Dementia Joe will still push masochistic virtue signaling anyway, as the Green Blob believes in “setting a good example”.

gbaikie
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 1, 2021 8:19 am

What is a good example?
France:
“France has a very low-carbon electricity mix owing to its large nuclear fleet, the second-largest after the United States. As an early leader in setting out an ambitious energy transition,..” Iceland:
” About 85% of all houses in Iceland are heated with geothermal energy. … Renewable energy provided almost 100% of electricity production, with about 73% coming from hydropower and 27% from geothermal power.”
Germany:
“Energy in Germany is sourced predominantly by fossil fuels, followed by wind, nuclear power, solar, biomass (wood and biofuels) and hydro.”

It seems every country is different, but for all countries, increasing amount nuclear energy used could be a common theme. Burning a lot wood is bad idea, and using more natural gas if you can, is a good plan.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  gbaikie
May 1, 2021 8:41 am

It isn’t sourced using GERMAN nuclear power!

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  gbaikie
May 1, 2021 11:11 am

“Burning a lot wood is bad idea”

No, burning wood is a GREAT idea to help us manage the forests. You might know that if you ever asked. It won’t save the planet but it’ll help the forests. What I’m referring to is NOT the wood being burned in 3rd world countries or heavy use in a neighborhood with old stoves and fireplaces – but in modern biomass facilities with approved controls on the chimneys to minimize particulate matter.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 1, 2021 11:51 am

Wrong. We never “needed” biomass plants before, and we certainly don’t now. The only reason they are being pushed is because they are “carbon neutral”.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 1, 2021 11:59 am

You obviously know NOTHING about the forestry world. We want biomass because it is a market for “junk wood”- we don’t give a dam about the *&^%4 climate one way or the other. Some in forestry will argue it’s carbon neutral- but most don’t. It may not be in the short term but it is in the long term- but that’s irrelevant to most people in this blog because they aren’t worried about “carbon pollution”- only a few trolls who hang out here and diss biomass.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 1, 2021 2:23 pm

The theory that is junk wood is great. The reality is that they use non-junk wood because there isn’t enough junk wood to keep up demand for even a small (100 MW) biomass unit. The wood pellets sent to England’s Drax plant from the SE US are not junk wood. How that qualifies as a good idea is unbelievable.

Timo, not that one
Reply to  Roger Caiazza
May 4, 2021 11:29 am

Have a look in a forest. North American forests are mostly un-managed, unlike the way they are in Europe. We leave tons of dead wood on the forest floor (or even parks) to rot (or burn).

Neal in Texas
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 3, 2021 6:27 am

I see good forestry combined with carbon capture working effectively by taking all the cut logs and storing them in an anoxic environment to prevent them from oxidizing to CO2. However, I have never heard this being proposed as a potential solution. If people were serious about “carbon capture”, they would be planting trees, harvesting them at or shortly after the end of their fast growing period, and storing them in long term storage, and then replanting them quickly. This would lead to a significant increase in logging and replanting of both public and privately owned land, not preventing logging.

Timo, not that one
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 4, 2021 11:25 am

We never “needed” biomass plants before”
Europeans, at least outside of urban areas, unbeknownst to most people in North America, heat their homes with wood. Gas and electricity were already expensive before the nonsense started.
The biggest difference though, is how their forests are clear of dead wood. Our forests, even in parks, are filled with fallen limbs and whole trees. A terrible mess, not to mention, a wasted resource.

David Kamakaris
May 1, 2021 6:35 am

Facts do not matter to Biden and the rest of the lunatic fringe. Their sole motivation is emotion and the warm, fuzzy feeling received when they feign concern for their imaginary climate crisis.

Curious George
Reply to  David Kamakaris
May 1, 2021 7:31 am

Why study Biden’s speeches? Tomorrow, the words will mean something else.

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Curious George
May 1, 2021 1:59 pm

I disagree! “trunalimunumaprzure” means the same thing as when he first spoke that word.
😀

Rich Davis
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
May 1, 2021 4:38 pm

Ah, but he pronounces it differently each time

n.n
Reply to  David Kamakaris
May 1, 2021 9:50 am

Twilight fringe, as in conflation of logical domains, as in divergence, as in political congruence, as in penumbras and emanations, as in Twilight Amendment, as in diversity, as in semantic games, as in conceptual corruption, as in progressive dysfunction, as in the wicked solution.

Rich Davis
May 1, 2021 6:52 am

Let’s see, the US cuts its 15% in half over 9 years. That would be a 7.5% reduction in world emissions. The developing world grows 1% per year for 9 years. If only someone in the BiteMe Administration could do the math!

If we half shut down our economy, world emissions go up around 1.5% by 2030. If we really want to make a dent, we have to completely shut down the economy! That would be a 6% reduction (until 2036 when the developing world fills the gap).

Happy May Day to Commies everywhere!

LdB
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 1, 2021 8:43 am

CO2 increase will be more than 1% for 9 years the 3rd world will supercharge economic stimulus post covid and emissions will surge.

Latitude
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 1, 2021 9:44 am

less than 15 percent of carbon emissions.”….

anyone know a hard number on that?…..12%?…14%? etc

Reply to  Latitude
May 1, 2021 10:02 am
commieBob
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 1, 2021 9:50 am

And also to you. 🙂

Of course, I am like President Trump. He is not an authentic Republican and I am not an authentic commie.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  commieBob
May 1, 2021 11:13 am

I’m an authentic independent- liberal on some things and conservative on others. I don’t care how anyone wants to live or who they sleep with (except children of course) but I do care about how governments operate- they could be and should be ultra efficient instead of loaded with too many paper pushers.

Eric Elsam
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 1, 2021 5:57 pm

It is not in the interest of governments to be efficient. That is why we conservatives push the idea of small government; more easily observed and held accountable.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  commieBob
May 1, 2021 12:25 pm

What’s an authentic Repubican? I would say Trump is now an authentic Repubican, as much as anyone is. He supports all the basic conservative principles.

Trump didn’t get 90 percent approval from Republcians and conservatives for nothing. Trump’s agenda *is* the conservative agenda. What’s more conservative than stressing maximum personal freedom in all aspects of life and freedom from an overbearing central government?

Like I said in another post, I can’t think of a Trump policy I disagree with, and I’m pretty darned conservative. Trump isn’t a perfect man, who is, but he is rock-solid on conservative policy and on what is best for the future of the United States.

Trump dwells in reality. The Left dwells in a false reality of their own making. The false reality they are trying to push on the rest of us, where the Left gets to run the show.

No, thanks, the Left is not capable of running the show, other than into the ground.

commieBob
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 2, 2021 12:50 am

It’s like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

Was Trump truly the outsider anti-establishment candidate?

Both the Republicans and the Democrats threw the majority of working Americans under the bus in the last fifty years. Only Trump stood up for the forgotten people.

The only thing I think I can say with any certainty is that Trump did something different than anyone else.

A Google search is hopeless for getting the facts.

I’ve watched Jordan Peterson’s complete online university lectures for a couple of his courses (‘Maps of Meaning’ and ‘Personality’). I know where he’s coming from in great detail. How is it then that when I Google to find something he’s said (ie. a direct quote), all I get are truly ignorant left wing rants about how wrong he is?

Actually Google is worse than hopeless. /rant

Tom Abbott
Reply to  commieBob
May 2, 2021 3:16 am

“How is it then that when I Google to find something he’s said (ie. a direct quote), all I get are truly ignorant left wing rants about how wrong he is? Actually Google is worse than hopeless”

Yes, they are worse than that, they are actually traitors to the United States, since they are serving as propagandists for the radical Democrats and in the process are undermining the basic foundations of our society.

Btw, there is a good book that came out sometime ago titled “Google, The Missing Manual” by Sarah Milstein and Rael Dornfest.

The book shows you how to do sophisticated google searches which allow you to zero right into the topic you want. Google manipulates the general search, but they can’t manipulate these specific searches. But you have to know how to word it. The book will tell you how. 🙂

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 2, 2021 5:38 am

Google hires as many people as it can from disconnected (they would say disenfranchised) groups. These people are much more likely to go along with the progressive BS bandied about and will willingly develop and market products that push the agenda and might not quite do for the customer what the customer thinks they are doing. I know some Google employees and they are not mainstream America.

Climate believer
Reply to  commieBob
May 2, 2021 5:53 am

Try DuckDuckGo, stupid name, but I’ve found it a very good search engine. It’s fast, has disambiguation prompts, and best of all it doesn’t track you and share your life with every Tom Dick and Harry that asks.

Plus I like supporting the little guy.

May 1, 2021 6:56 am

What ever who ever will cut or not, it doesn’t matter in regard to climate.
Only to cut to much matters plant live and so live in general. That matters.

H.R.
Reply to  Krishna Gans
May 1, 2021 11:13 am

Plant Lives Matter!

Steve Case
May 1, 2021 7:22 am

Years ago when I first realized that the liberals were serious about lowering CO2 emissions, I used to tell them, “One of the hallmarks of our species besides having opposable thumbs and permanently enlarged mammary glands is, We Burn Stuff! So how and with what army are you guys going to tell the rest of the world to stop using fire?” On that note, one doesn’t have to look very far to figure out that the Democrats are keen on reducing military funding.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Steve Case
May 1, 2021 9:15 am

You forgot one of the other hallmarks. Killing each other. We’re especially good at that.

Richard Page
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 1, 2021 2:02 pm

So are Chimpanzees, Killer Whales and ants. We’re also not the only species to kill for sport or for territorial advantage.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Richard Page
May 2, 2021 5:43 am

There are many species that kill others of their specie. Natural selection is a cruel master.

Last edited 9 days ago by Trying to Play Nice
Steve Case
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 1, 2021 6:33 pm

I picked two that might tickle some funny bones.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Steve Case
May 1, 2021 11:15 am

“Democrats are keen on reducing military funding”

Except in states where the Pentagon spends a lot of money- for bases and/or weapons and research.

Gordon A. Dressler
May 1, 2021 7:24 am

Well, when Biden goes off-script, the truth is likely to be revealed accidentally.

Not commented on in the above article, but worthy of note, is Biden’s statement: The United States accounts, as all of you know, for less than 15 percent of carbon emissions.” (my bold emphasis added)

I am betting that, primarily due to AGW/CAGW alarmists, not 1 in 10 US citizens knows that the US accounts for only 15 percent of global human emissions of CO2.

BTW, the Paris Accord is just a way for the US to pay $billions to other nations for promises for future actions . . . the “accord” is NOT based on pay-for-performance, which even a hometown lawyer would know should be a requirement for a “contract” . . . but White House and Congressional lawyers don’t seem to care about such nuances.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
May 1, 2021 11:16 am

“not 1 in 10 US citizens knows that the US accounts for only 15 percent of global human emissions of CO2”

And not 1 in 100 have any clue about “climate science”- only what they read in the MSM. Few even know there are some very intelligent climate skeptics- like here for example!

BlueCat57
May 1, 2021 7:26 am

Hmm, sounds like the same talking point as they use to justify covid restrictions.
Get vaccinated – wear a mask
Recover and have natural antibodies – wear a mask
Chewing your food – wear a mask
Standing in the middle of the Sahara Desert by yourself – wear a mask

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  BlueCat57
May 1, 2021 9:17 am

And all that with zero evidence that the masks that 99.9% of people wear are effective in any way against transmission.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  BlueCat57
May 1, 2021 11:17 am

Didn’t they just release a new policy that if you are in the middle of nowhere by yourself, you can now take off the mask?

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 1, 2021 12:34 pm

Only if you are vaccinated.

rovingbroker
May 1, 2021 7:30 am

” … if we do everything perfectly, it’s not going to matter.

It may not matter to “the world as a whole” but it will matter to the US in terms of reduced growth and productivity. Every dollar wasted on reducing CO2 is a dollar not spent on social programs, increased productivity and fundamental research.

Steve Case
Reply to  rovingbroker
May 1, 2021 7:59 am

Yes, it’s going to matter to me personally when I put my house on the market that I will have to disconnect the gas hook-up and have electric heat and hot water for the new owner.

That hasn’t happened yet, but it’s coming.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Steve Case
May 1, 2021 11:20 am

“That hasn’t happened yet, but it’s coming.” And even if they don’t go that far- your gas and oil furnace will not be replaceable after certain dates, depending on the state. Here in MA you won’t be able to buy a gasoline engine care as of 2035.

Doonman
May 1, 2021 8:00 am

What Joe Biden says doesn’t matter. It’s what he does.

Just yesterday he banned travel to and from India because of Covid 19. As I recall, democrats say that’s racist and xenophobic. Of course, just hours before banning all travel late on a Friday so you wouldn’t notice, he also granted India 2.5 billion in Arms sales. That’s quid pro Joe in action too.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Doonman
May 1, 2021 8:14 am

The very same quid pro Dementia Zhou who publicly castecated President Trump for banning travel to/from China in late Feb. 2020 as “racist and xenophobic”.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Doonman
May 1, 2021 9:18 am

It’s SUCH an emergency, that the ban doesn’t take effect until next week.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 1, 2021 11:15 am

Clearly they want their excuse to keep us in our cages back.

May 1, 2021 8:01 am

CO2 is no problem but Crooked Joey Biden and his demrats are a very very serious problem.

Climate believer
Reply to  Anti-griff
May 1, 2021 1:34 pm

Oh you mean grandpa Joe’s Socialist States of America plan…what could possibly go wrong?

John Robertson
May 1, 2021 8:12 am

An accidental truth in a sea of lies?
for I dub 2021 the International Year of the Lie.
Words ,when used by our parasitic overload,no longer have any meaning.
That “Wah wah wah” sound just informs you you are being lied to.
Actions are the only truth we now have.
So “How is your work?”
For by their actions we shall know them..
And after 14 months of Dread Covid Theatre,most of our “helpers” are fully revealed.

As for the utterances of comrade Joe..The truth is not in him.
Even when he accidentally speaks truth,it is by misspeak,the Media will rush to correct our “interpretation” for us.

Quite amazing watching civilization collapse.
How many would have thought the current situation ,”Too implausible” just 4 short years ago?

Scissor
Reply to  John Robertson
May 1, 2021 10:39 am

Is it a collapse or is it a controlled demolition?

Peter Tari
Reply to  Scissor
May 1, 2021 12:09 pm

It is controlled but it will be soon out of control.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Scissor
May 1, 2021 12:29 pm

Yes, the collapse is getting help from the radical Left. They *want* things to collapse. Then they can start over with themselves in charge, is the way they look at it.

Peta of Newark
May 1, 2021 8:21 am

The Truth always out sometime – as you are all pig-sick of me 😀 saying:

The Human Animal Cannot Lie

An equal alternative to that is that it cannot ‘Keep Secrets’ – and lets face it; what is the point of A Secret if you never tell it anyone….

What will be interesting is the reaction, how long it takes to appear and what form it takes.

Because, and also as I keep repeating, ‘most everyone in this Modern Western World is in a constant state of sugar-induced depression.

Compared Mr Trump, the pizza (cheese pie) tee-total burger and steak-eater, who would have had Joe Biden utterly shredded before Joe had drawn his next breath

watch out for that in your own ‘real life and day-2-day’ experiences
have fun
you will.
promise

Edit to add:
You maybe are a little closer to understanding Trump Derangement Syndrome?

Last edited 9 days ago by Peta of Newark
Coach Springer
May 1, 2021 8:23 am

It’s not going to matter? They have obvious ways of bending that. Such as the statistical lives we save by doing everything perfectly. It’s our facts and objections that are not going to matter – even if we do everything perfectly. The game is rigged and they have everyone playing it.

ResourceGuy
May 1, 2021 8:30 am

You may call him Dementia Joe but he is in fact the head of a large disinformation and dirty tricks campaign that will most assuredly go under reported.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  ResourceGuy
May 1, 2021 10:06 am

will most assuredly go under reported.”

Not “will”, “is”.

Rich Davis
Reply to  ResourceGuy
May 1, 2021 5:05 pm

Yeah I don’t think so, RG. BiteMe was the perpetual candidate that Barry 0bama figured was a useful idiot to make older Dem voters comfortable to vote for him back in 2008. Then in 2020 the puppetmasters needed someone from central casting who wouldn’t wipe out in the general election like they knew Bernie or Pocahontas would, so even though he could no longer find his ass with both hands on it, he suddenly and miraculously won all the primaries after coming in 3rd and 4th. He has to wear a wire to be coached on everything he says and does, but can’t distinguish a stage direction from a line—“Salute the Marines!”

Somebody’s running a large disinformation and dirty tricks operation for sure. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Dementia Joe doesn’t even know who is pulling his strings. And he doesn’t care. As long as he gets his pudding on Thursdays.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  ResourceGuy
May 2, 2021 5:21 am

Joe is not the head. He is a demented puppet who tries to do what he is told, but slips up quite a bit. We don’t know who is really in charge.

markl
May 1, 2021 8:35 am

Another example of how Biden speaks like Trump did but with different consequences. Trump exaggerated for effect, Biden just has words coming out of his mouth. Both have mouth in motion and brain out of gear syndrome.

fretslider
May 1, 2021 8:48 am

To quote Bob Geldof

“‘Just give us your f…. . money”

May 1, 2021 8:57 am

Quantifying futility

A reasonable guess at likely future CO2 emissions by the end of the century

https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/quantifying-futility-2020-estimate-of-future-co2-emissions/

HotScot
May 1, 2021 8:59 am

No one can continue to be this stupid without people other than Conservatives beginning to notice.

observa
May 1, 2021 9:06 am

Elementary dear Wattsoff-
“As the Biden administration pushes for a non-fossil fuel-dependent energy policy, there will inevitably be a period in which more electricity is produced using gas-powered systems, before wind and solar take up the slack.”
End of an era: closure of nuclear plant is pointer for New York’s energy future (msn.com)

Stephen Skinner
May 1, 2021 9:43 am

And how’s global temperatures then? Oh, going down?

n.n
May 1, 2021 9:52 am

Biden spoke facts to truth whereas he would normally speak truth to facts. Baby… fetal steps.

Richard Page
Reply to  n.n
May 1, 2021 2:06 pm

Really? I thought he usually spoke mindless gibberish to morons?

Tom in Toronto
May 1, 2021 10:18 am

“If we virtue signal hard enough by destroying our economy, that will surely encourage them to destroy their economies, too!”

William Astley
May 1, 2021 10:25 am

And it will also not make any difference (To planetary temperature, if the US could go to zero emissions) as the high conservative estimate warming for a doubling of CO2 is 0.5C, not 1.5C, without feedbacks.
 
Here is one of a dozen different papers, that all come to same conclusion
 
https://notrickszone.com/2021/04/29/physics-prof-concludes-co2-climate-effect-is-fairly-negligible-adds-just-0-5c-for-a-doubling-to-760-ppm/
 
 
The Hansen and friends ‘estimated’ warming of 1.5C, for a doubling of CO2, was incorrect to enable models to amplify. To create the possibility of CAGW.

0.5C warming cannot be amplified by feedbacks as the climate would not be stable if ‘positive’ feedbacks could amplify a 0.5C warming by say a factor of three.  Positive feedbacks if they existed would enable a large volcanic eruption, to start a glacial cycle. That does not occur in the paleo record.
 
A surface warming of 0.5C (for a doubling of atmospheric) is a conservative high estimate (it assumes 50% of recent warming was caused by CO2 which is consistent with the IPCC reports, although it is too high.) The 0.5C estimate, ignores the physics, which reduce, the C02 warming.
 
There are two fundamental issues which reduce the CO2 warming:

1) Ocean CO2 infrared radiation broadening (See below)
 
2) CO2 to lapse rate reduction. Both of which significantly reduce CO2 warming.
 
https://principia-scientific.com/japanese-expert-trashes-government-back-envelope-climate-models/

Ocean CO2 radiation broadening
The oceans absorb the CO2 infrared radiation (it is surface warming that is the issue)… and re-emit broadening the infrared radiation to enable it to pass through the CO2 windows.
 
 
Surface water absorbs the band CO2 emitted radiation (there are two narrow CO2 bands) and re-emits the infrared radiation as a Planck curve. This physical process moves the CO2 band infrared radiation, into the CO2 absorption windows.  
 
http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=87
 
“For A = 5000 cm-1 at 15 microns, the implied water emissivity is 0.9998 implying that, of the incident radiation, only 0.02% of it will ultimately be absorbed in the water. The emitted radiation will closely follow a blackbody emission curve whereas the incident flux from carbon dioxide is confined to a band centered at 15 microns.
The implication of this is that much of the radiation emitted will escape directly to space through the IR windows, so it could be viewed as a negative feedback.
About 40% of the energy will escape this way.
Alternatively, this mechanism implies that climate will be less sensitive to greenhouse gas warming than it would be to an equal solar radiation forcing. In addition, there are many moist areas over land and clouds are also moist, so this negative feedba

Chris Nisbet
May 1, 2021 11:53 am

‘Climate change’ is not about the climate. They’re not hiding this from us.
People can focus on pointing out that human CO2 emissions aren’t wrecking the place, but they’re focussed on the wrong thing.

dk_
May 1, 2021 12:04 pm

I sorta thought that “it won’t matter” meant that carbon has nothing to do with climate, just taxes and foreign tribute.

Al Miller
May 1, 2021 12:10 pm

I remember not that long ago when at least some media would report and note such unbelievable ignorance as is being promulgated today (Green deal, Reset etc). All the media players are now ignoring the fact that we are sprinting off the economic cliff. I feel I must fight to the death to protect my children from the insanity of the political elites right now – notice I will not say the word leaders, because a real leader would not walk their own citizens to the front of the firing line for their own gain – only those unfit for office would do so.

Alba
May 1, 2021 1:13 pm

We don’t have to take the New York Times’ word for it. It’s on the White House website:
Look, the climate crisis is not our fight alone; it’s a global fight. The United States accounts, as all of you know, less than 15 percent of carbon emissions. The rest of the world accounts for 85 percent. That’s why I kept my commitment to rejoin the Paris Accord — because if we do everything perfectly, it’s not going to ultimately matter.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/04/29/remarks-by-president-biden-in-address-to-a-joint-session-of-congress/

J. Ewing
May 1, 2021 2:39 pm

Now, if he would just admit that human emissions of CO2 DO NOT MATTER, either, he would be making real good sense, and the GND, as well as all the other “green” regulations and hysteria, could come to its well-deserved, overdue and ignominious end.

Kpar
May 1, 2021 3:44 pm

“Biden” and “truth” are rarely mentioned in the same sentence.

And for good reason…

May 1, 2021 6:39 pm

Ridiculous article. Ridiculous comments. You all know he just means that all countries need to pull their weight in order to reach the temperature reduction goal and US needs to be in the Paris Agreement to ensure other countries do pull their weight.

I spend half my Twitter time debunking climate change, “cheaper than fossil fuel” solar and wind, misinterpretation of the Paris Agreement (which I could practically recite word-for-word), terrible lies propagated by MIT, Climate Interactive, and Climate Action Tracker used to mall Trump when he cited the “0.2°C” MIT study. Yes, I’m a sceptic, but if you believe in cc and believe emissions need to be cut equitably (however that’s calculated and assessed) you need to have negotiation and verification. The Paris Agreement was a pathetic patchwork of promises but it’s the only thing the believers have as a tool for cooperation. Therefore, Biden’s added statement is perfectly logical.

I detest the man, a race baiter of the highest order but I can see the logic in his added statement given his belief in cc and the ‘need’ for emission cuts.

You lot make my work more difficult by grasping at every apparent gaff and wilfully misinterpreting it. This comment thread reads just like the worst leftist echo chambers. There’s so much low hanging fruit out there to debunk and yet you tie yourselves up in knots to twist a (very rare) logical statement by Biden into a dumb gaff. This is why I never link any of the 99% of WUWT articles that are true and sound. It’s because the 1% like this one (and the echo chamber comments) that give WUWT a bad name in leftist circles.

You all need to grow up and stop gloating, snarking and trying to score points where there’s none to be had.

michel
Reply to  Scute
May 2, 2021 2:39 am

“…all countries need to pull their weight in order to reach the temperature reduction goal and US needs to be in the Paris Agreement to ensure other countries do pull their weight.”

What makes you think the US being in the Paris Agreement will have any effect at all on whether countries ‘pull their weight’.

All the evidence is it will have absolutely no effect.

Reply to  michel
May 2, 2021 5:58 am

You need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. My comment made it clear that I think the Paris Agreement is well nigh useless but from the point of view of a believer it’s the only tool they have for compliance:

“ The Paris Agreement was a pathetic patchwork of promises but it’s the only thing the believers have as a tool for cooperation. Therefore, Biden’s added statement is perfectly logical.”

Your statement in bold is manifestly wrong because we know Europe, Canada, Australia etc are running their economies into the dust to comply with their ridiculously ambitious NDCs. This is directly as a result of agreeing those NDCs at Paris. So the Paris Agreement is already having an effect on emission reductions (as compared with what they would have been without such eye watering structures).

Obviously the glaring problem is that it’s developed countries cutting and developing countries that are shirking. That’s why the Paris Agreement is “a pathetic patchwork of promises”. But its overall effect is a global reduction in emissions, in comparison with what they would have been, however much we moan that China etc aren’t contributing.

Your shrill comment perfectly illustrates the point I was making: a knee-jerk rush to comment in a crude, partisan manner without carefully working through the points at issue (which I’ve clarified for you above). All it does is reverberate around the echo chamber and encourage yet more ill thought out replies.

Reply to  michel
May 2, 2021 6:01 am

“structures” should read “strictures”.

KT66
Reply to  Scute
May 2, 2021 6:52 am

I no longer give believers the benefit of a doubt. I will not reward their virtue signaling. To accept their underlying premise that co2 is a problem and we need to do something about it, to them only confirms in their own minds that they are in the right, and so they continue on in their smug ignorance. After awhile their position can not be blamed on ignorance. The believer is either stupid or more likely mendacious. And that only deserves ridicule.

Last edited 9 days ago by KT66
Reply to  KT66
May 2, 2021 3:49 pm

I agree. I’m laying into these people on Twitter all the time. They’re so disingenuous. What really gets me is when they use their own extensive knowledge of their own work to cherry pick data and at a stroke. That leaves me with hours of trawling through their work to get the full context, see the sleight of hand and roast them over it.

One of the worst was re Trump’s Paris Agreement speech and the “0.2C”. The MIT study he cited indeed did show that the Paris Agreement would have a 0.2°C effect (not 1°C as MIT said in a rebuttal that same night, to Trump’s 0.2°C statement).

Reuters phoned/emailed the two MIT *lead* authors of said study minutes after Trump’s speech. Neither could ‘remember’ any such study despite writing it one year earlier and citing the 0.2°C effect as a “Key Finding” on a page entitled “Key Findings”.

Instead, they furnished another study which modelled not just the Paris NDC pledges’ effect on emissions but also the effect of vaguely outlined aspirations on further cuts from 2030-50. Nothing to do with the pledges.

That study by one of those two authors of course showed a way better figure: a 1°C reduction. Reuters took this (i.e. took the bait) and published a take-down of Trump saying 0.2°C wasn’t ever mentioned by MIT. That story was syndicated round the world in minutes to hours. By midnight after the speech, Trump had been mauled on the 0.2°C by the entire World’s media.

Literally no one knows this. The two authors sloped off and were never disciplined. One even tweeted that evening soon after Reuters called:

https://twitter.com/erwan_monier/status/870617087567376385?s=21

Can you see how he inadvertently admits in the tweet that he knew Trump was quoting his actual research and not making it up after all? It seems he knew the exact study Reuters was asking about

Vincent Causey
May 2, 2021 12:04 am

It will be tough for the US and Europe to even hold CO2 emissions at the current levels, never mind cut them by 50%.

Roger Knights
May 2, 2021 1:06 am

“A gaffe isn’t when a politician tells a whopper, but when he tells the truth.”

Sara
May 2, 2021 3:53 am

“…with just a few ill-chosen words Biden utterly toppled any justification for the Green New Deal.”

Oh, they’lll whiewash it and say he was just kidding, or something like that. They’re in such a scramble to buy votes to solidify their base that it’s likely they didn’t notice until it was in print.

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