Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Dr. Willie Soon; The Collegian, a Penn State University student publication, laments that there are still ageing contrarians and climate deniers who dispute the work of the great Michael Mann.
Penn State professor, climate scientist Michael Mann fights against climate denialism
Will Aguirre | The Daily Collegian
Apr 22, 2021As the world changes and climate changes with it, one thing has stayed the same for decades — Michael Mann’s commitment to fighting the climate war.
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Mann began studying quantum mechanics as an undergraduate at the University of California, Berkeley, with majors in physics and applied math. When he began work as a graduate student at Yale University, Mann said he was “lured away” from the physics department because there were still opportunities for young scientists to make “substantial contributions” at the forefront of climate studies.
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Mann said he doesn’t want to blame fossil fuel workers for engaging in the “climate war.” Instead, he said he believes there are just a few corporate CEOs who serve as “bad actors” and make “cynical decisions knowing the devastating impact” they would have on the climate.
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According to Nye, both him and Mann are frequently asked two common questions: “What can I do about climate change,” and “What can be done to convince someone who’s a climate denier?”
Nye calls these the $10 trillion questions, because climate deniers are so “dug in” to their beliefs, which only makes it harder to convince them of what the science suggests.
The only definitive way to see significant action to prevent climate change is to simply wait for deniers and contrarians to “age out,” according to Nye.
“There’s an old saying — ‘science proceeds one funeral at a time,’” Nye said, “but it’s not happening fast enough.”
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Read more: https://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/penn-state-professor-climate-scientist-michael-mann-fights-against-climate-denialism/article_a7a6c7c6-a2f7-11eb-ab1c-5bca01044a1a.html
There have been occasions where scientists have persuaded their colleagues by providing evidence to back their theories, rather than waiting for their opponents to die.
My favourite example, Barry Marshall and Robin Warren overcame resistance to their theory stomach ulcers are caused by a bacterial infection, by providing evidence to back their claim – they cultured the slow growing previously unknown bacteria responsible for stomach ulcers, proving it existed, and successfully cured ulcers with antibiotics.
Einstein also had trouble convincing his peers that space and time are mutable, until the day Einstein famously received a telegram, from British scientists who had conducted an expedition to an island off the west coast of Africa, to view a total solar eclipse. The purpose of the expedition was to test Einstein’s prediction that stars which appeared close to the sun during the eclipse would be slightly out of position, because star light skimming close to the sun would be bent by the sun’s gravity.
Perhaps if Mann and Nye presented evidence that global warming is causing a significant problem, more people would accept their claim we are currently experiencing a climate crisis.
It is fraud for PennState to have a political activist directing the earth system science center. The conflict of interest is displayed proudly and openly.
Nye runs Carl Sagans “Planetary Society,” Dr. Sagan is bound to be spinning in his grave. This goes against everything I learned growing up reading his books and watching Cosmos.
Nah, Sagan went to The Dark Side well before he shuffled off. I think it’s the Dark Matter that did him in…
Nye and Mann- horrible people. Lying to forward an evil agenda which is purely political. I’ll be glad to craft the tombstones. ” No longer lying- even though he’s lying”.
Bill Nye the Non-science Guy, blinded by his own ignorance and hate! Unfortunately pretty typical for the Hollywood type (there are exceptions of course).
Sounds like Mann has been holding up lots of progress. Is that whose funeral we should look forward to?
If you really want to convince people, what about starting by being civil to them? A beginning would be to stop using the ridiculously false characterization of CAGW skeptics as “climate deniers” and attempting to lump them in with Holocaust deniers. Start by not throwing around sneering insults and then we can talk. I’m not holding my breath.
No, if you don’t agree with an alamist, then they can’t be civil to you. It’s their way, or the highway, as far as they are concerned. Are they unreasonable? Answer: Yes.
What a despicable person Nye has become. It’s sad really.
The problem with any of them presenting evidence is they don’t understand what scientific evidence is. They think you can manipulate raw data so that it will produce what you believe it should produce, then feed that into unproven models is evidence. Well it is sort of evidence – evidence of the ignorance and possible stupidity of the people claiming it is scientific evidence.
I hope I make it to the year 2030 so I can listen to all their excuses on why the Earth didn’t end as predicted.
The current doomsday predictors will be retired, the way James Hansen was retired, and a bunch of new doomsday predictors will arise, who will deny culpability for past failed predictions.
This is why early career researchers in their mid-to-late 30s always seem to make predictions 30-40 years out. The classic one being fusion power commercialized in 40 years. Each new generation returns to that proven formula for job security.
Similarly, politicians who are limited to 8 years in office, introduce laws that provide benefits to constituents immediately and push the unpopular and unworkable aspects that supposedly make the plan affordable out 9 or 10 years.
Even Nye knows that climate change is o ly a theory. He states that science suggests it. Science use to suggest the earth was flat or that the earth was the centre of the solar system. These were all theories that were later disprovef.science even suggested that when a nuke went off the atmosphere could catch fire and burn off. Didn’t happen. We know the earth has been 3 C warmer in the past and it didn’t destroy anything.
Bill Nye the Ass Clown Guy….
Quote: “because starlight skimming close to the sun would be bent by the sun’s gravity.”
Officially a light photon has a mass, even though so tiny that scientists have not been able to calculate its magnitude. An innocent question: Why it is according to Einstein’s physics that the Sun’s gravity force has an effect on the photon mass. I think that it was Newton who invented the law of gravity.
How sure are you that Einstein claimed a force effect of gravity on a photon, in the proposition of mass?
just asking!
The climate change proponents will all die off at the same rate as the deniers wont they? So who wins in the end? Or are the chicken little catastrophics immune from death because they believe their science is settled and can’t be challenged.
A bit like prove to me god does/doesn’t exist. Here I have a model that shows me he does, I don’t have any real data that supports the model. If and when the real data disagrees, the model is right, to hell with the real observation data.
It’s their science and its more right because they say so!
I used to say living gives you cancer, seems everything else causes climate change.
I am not sure how many of Sagan´s bullshit detection points are triggered here (attacking and insulting the opponent in a discussion rather than addressing fact based critiques), but Mann´s work starts at the beginning, we can talk about his 2nd or 3rd paper after all problems with the first (the 1998 hockey stick) is addressed.
The statistics used there givestoo much weight on few (and questionable) proxies, Mann knew that and lied about it.. a true denier of science since more than 20 years!
If he cared about climate science, every day since then he could have corrected that paper, but so far he didnt, he should be laughed out of town!
Nye should ponder the fact that the old saying “science proceeds by one funeral at a time” also applies to climate alarmists.
The saying refers to a contrarian view not getting traction until the recalcitrant heads of the field die, allowing the new views to become wildly read. Whether they end up being accepted or not is supposed to be due to the science, not the death.
These clowns butcher everything.
Bill Nye…
…the latter day Malthus guy
Here’s Nye torching the planet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjXxAVayBEY
CAGW cultists simply need to show their hypothetical projections match reality for their hypothesis to be taken seriously.
Fortunately, the CAGW hypothesis has already been completely disconfirmed based on the huge disparity between hypothetical projections vs. reality.
Unfortunately, since CAGW is already a disconfirmed hypothesis, CAGW cultists have to constantly “adjust” datasets upwards to assure the disparity doesn’t exceed projections by 2 SDs for a statistically significant duration so as to prevent their cargo cult from being laughed at…
There is a hilariously huge disparity between UAH6.0 and HADCRUT/JISTEMP/RSS datasets which will only increase as more raw data “adjustments” are concocted to keep the hoax and the $trillions of government spending on CAGW humming along…
So, the only way to truly end CAGW is for honest scientists to adhere to the scientific method and toss this steaming pile of BS on the compost heap of failed ideas.
Don’t you love being lectured to by Bill Nye. The Voice of Authority. What a joke!
Amazing how the planet changed and changed over millions of years and yet here we are, stupid people who think they can control everything while being unaware of anything.
taking advice from bill nye? the guy who’s confused about male or female? nahhh
Bill Nye, “The Science Guy,” exemplifies the modern misunderstanding of “science.”
Science is about questions, not answers.
Science advances by questioning the current consensus of the established experts of the current day.
Unlike religion real science never provides permanent answers. Never provides answers which may not be questioned.
“Climate Science is”, he says, “to be believed.” Never questioned; like a religious creed.
The only definitive way to see significant action to prevent climate change is to simply wait for deniers and contrarians to “age out,” according to Nye.
A similar argument was used during the 1st Brexit vote in the UK. The ‘remainers’ argued that if the age of voting had been lowered they would have won. So they argued for a 2nd Brexit vote because the old ‘right wing’ Brexiteers will have died out and there will be more young people to vote the UK to stay in the EU Collective. The 2nd vote was even more in favour of leaving the EU collective. So there is hope?
Has it ever occurred to them perhaps the truth is just one funeral away.
This smacks of brain washing the young to accept their plans without question and to replace the older skeptics who would like to see a little proof please.
Once upon a not so long ago time published, peer reviewed, main stream, scientific consensus included:
phlogiston,
caloric,
luminiferous ether,
spontaneous generation,
water filled Martian canals,
planet Vulcan,
medical humors,
four elements of matter,
cold fusion……..
And they all turned up wrong.
RGHE theory is going to join them.
Here’s Nye at his ‘hilarious’ best.
Boy, that ole science guy just keeps the profanity coming! Rappers ain’t got nuttin’ on Mr Sweary Mary. He could off a coppa, an’ run home laffin’. Still only 64, but a sharp motherf****r fo’ real!
And watch ‘im dance!
Umm umm! My my Nye. Showin’ the young folks like it is. Readyin’ ’em t’go ‘up against the wall with the pigs in the street. FU! FU! FU! Go, go granpappy!
Far, far away. North Korea?