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Music Industry Demands Funding So They Can Stop Climate Change by Eliminating Live Tours

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

They would also like an effort to “nurture local artists”, to reduce the influence of foreign artists, so fans are less tempted to fly overseas to see live concerts.

‘Time to shake things up’: music industry confronts climate crisis as gigs resume

Huge concerts and nonstop touring mean the music business is in dire need of reform. Performers have begun to lead – but can their industry reshape itself as the world reopens?

Adam Corner
Tue 27 Apr 2021 23.00 AEST

But a series of announcements last week, coordinated by the Music Declares Emergency collective, have challenged the idea that the industry is not taking the climate emergency seriously. After a uniquely difficult year for those in live music, perhaps this is an inflection point: can the recovery from Covid-19 be green?

One new idea – also announced this week, and affiliated with Brian Eno – is Earth Percent, which is aiming to raise $100m (£72m) by 2030 from the industry itself to transition towards sustainability. The proposal is for artists, companies and individuals to commit a small percentage of their revenue to Earth Percent, which will redistribute the money to organisations working on the climate emergency, including those focused on the music industry, such as A Greener Festival, Music Declares Emergency and Julie’s Bicycle.

Last Night a DJ Took a Flight, a recent report on the dance music industry, argued that tours could be routed more efficiently, local scenes and artists could be better nurtured to reduce the pull of foreign superstars, and exclusivity clauses (where artists can’t play more than one show locally) could be challenged.

Relentless touring – driven by low income from streams and physical format sales – is precarious and environmentally unsustainable, so music is taking seriously the idea of green jobs and a “just transition” (a term coined by the global trade union movement to prioritise workers’ rights and reduce inequalities). In 2020, more than 800 artists and creative professionals endorsed a letter to Oliver Dowden calling for a “just and green” cultural recovery from Covid-19, including the demand that all government funding for the arts is aligned with national climate targets.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/apr/27/music-industry-confronts-climate-crisis-gigs-resume

Of course, even the measures demanded by artists don’t go far enough. So long as artists are producing new music, there is a risk fans will be tempted to add to their carbon footprints by travelling to see them perform.

So what we really need is for the government to fund self identified artists to sit on their butts and not produce anything, thus completely eliminating the potential excess carbon footprint their product might otherwise create.

The cost of this government funding could be partly offset by punitive taxes on high income artists who defy industry association climate edicts by continuing to produce and perform.

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Pauleta
April 28, 2021 2:03 pm

Maybe the government can create a Carbon Music Tax so we can pay artists to do nothing. Why stop at music, it should be expanded to Movies, TV productions, newspapers, Cable TV programs.

RicDre
Reply to  Pauleta
April 28, 2021 2:36 pm

Many of the groups you mentioned are already doing nothing useful so it should be pretty easy for them to move on from there to doing nothing at all.

John the Econ
Reply to  Pauleta
April 28, 2021 2:48 pm

Agreed. If we are indeed on the cusp of an “existential crisis”, there is absolutely no moral justification whatsoever for something as frivolous as mere “entertainment”. Such luxuries are only for societies without the kinds of problems we supposedly face.

Richard Page
Reply to  Pauleta
April 28, 2021 4:28 pm

The start of climate blackmail – pay us or we’ll go on endless world tours, encourage fans to travel all over the world and burn through huge amounts of fossil fuels. Thinly disguised threats.

ResourceGuy
April 28, 2021 2:03 pm

The same goes for bad movies in closed theaters.

ResourceGuy
April 28, 2021 2:09 pm

‘Cause I’m the taxman
Yeah, I’m the taxman

Scissor
April 28, 2021 2:12 pm

Who doesn’t want to see this in person?

SMC
Reply to  Scissor
April 28, 2021 2:33 pm

Another young, pretty entertainer dancing in a sexy outfit and singing in French. Her moves are too choreographed, no apparent spontaneity. The music is nothing special. Looks like she’s singing to recorded music, the fellows don’t look like they’re actually playing. Lip syncing?? Meh, so what, there are plenty of young pretty singers that can lip sync to recorded music while dancing in a sexy manner all over the internet. What makes this one special?

Scissor
Reply to  SMC
April 28, 2021 3:15 pm

I don’t think she would want you in the audience, you’re a tough customer. Anyway, it’s a song about taking a bath to escape and lamenting everyday problems, etc.

J’ai la peau douce
Dans mon bain de mousse
Je m’éclabousse, j’en ris
Mon poisson rouge
Dans mon bain de mousse
Je l’emmitoufle, je lui dis
J’ai pas d’problèmes, je fainéante
Pas de malaises, je fainéante
Dans l’eau je baigne, c’est l’important
Bien à mon aise, dans l’air du temps
J’ai la peau douce
Dans mon bain de mousse
Je bulle à l’ombre des bombes
Tout est délice (ici)
Délit docile (oh, oui)
Je fais la liste des choses
Qui m’indisposent
J’en ai marre de ceux qui pleurent
Qui ne roulent qu’à deux à l’heure
Qui se lamentent et qui s’fixent
Sur l’idée d’une idée fixe
J’en ai marre de ceux qui râlent
Des extrémistes à deux balles
Qui voient la vie toute en noir
Qui m’expédient dans l’cafard….

SMC
Reply to  Scissor
April 28, 2021 3:31 pm

Yeah, I figured that much out… see below. Just love the part where she vomits under the duvet.

Martin
Reply to  Scissor
April 28, 2021 4:10 pm

very profound

Wayne Townsend
Reply to  Scissor
April 28, 2021 8:28 pm

OK, I just got a translation of that, and it’s even more vapid than her dancing. Thanks… I guess.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  SMC
April 28, 2021 4:21 pm

Actually, the guys look like they are playing, you can catch them looking at the fretboard….perhaps out of habit. They also look like they bar an F naturally. All indicative that they could play if asked.

SMC
Reply to  Mr. Lee
April 28, 2021 4:57 pm

I’m sure they can play. They just don’t look like they are playing that song.

Paul C
Reply to  Mr. Lee
April 29, 2021 3:36 am

Can’t see electric pickups or wireless transmitters on their acoustic guitars. They may well have recorded the song in a heavily processed studio recording session, but the performance looks like a play along to your record like top of the pops of the BBC’s infamous Jimmy Saville (erased from the re-runs) was.

BonHagar
Reply to  SMC
April 30, 2021 6:15 am

Close one’s eyes and using one’s ears is the best way to judge a song’s like ability. Granted, any music is subjective. This particular song has no edge, or grit. The Carpenters had a humanity sorely lacking in much of today’s auto-corrected, pitch controlled studio environments. Most enduring pop music has that edge where it almost falls apart, when it recovers, WE also recover. Properly placed imperfections work wonders in a great song. That lady is lovely, visually.

SMC
Reply to  Scissor
April 28, 2021 2:40 pm

The translation of her lyrics must be bad. If not, then she’s just another self absorbed narcissist who doesn’t care about anyone but herself and her own pleasure.

MarkH
Reply to  SMC
April 28, 2021 4:14 pm

She very likely does not write her own lyrics (the song was written by Mylène Jeanne Gautier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%27en_ai_marre!). They are written, not as any reflection of herself, but as a hypnotic spell with which to burrow into the minds of the young. Music can set you free, uplift your soul, it can also be used to trap your mind and direct you down a path that you would otherwise not take. These messages, repeated over and over again accompanied by the rhythmic backing music are a form of subtle mind control.

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Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkH
April 28, 2021 4:20 pm

In other words it’s utter crap written by talentless children who believe they’re musicians. Let me know when they have written several cantatas, an opera or two or even a short symphony.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  Rory Forbes
April 28, 2021 4:27 pm

The song was just an excuse to have a sexy teen girl dance a striptease in public. I am not a musician, but there is not a doubt in my mind that a real musician could replicate the music within seconds of first hearing it.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Mr. Lee
April 28, 2021 5:06 pm

WE no longer live in an era where talent is required and where “creativity” isn’t just another function on a search engine. No wonder to one tuned on the Oscars this year (fewer than 9000 viewers) … less than half of last years disaster. Music awards weren’t much better.

BonHagar
Reply to  SMC
April 30, 2021 6:17 am

Songs like this are more likely to come from totalitarian regions where dissent and anything resembling rebellion are not allowed.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  Scissor
April 28, 2021 3:18 pm

Same disco-polka style sound as Abba, except now it’s done by a teen tart in lingerie with lip sync and reverb, rather than real people singing.

SMC
Reply to  Mr. Lee
April 28, 2021 3:37 pm

According to Wikipedia (so the accuracy is highly questionable) she’s 36, married with 2 kids. Not a teen tart.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  SMC
April 28, 2021 4:12 pm

Clip is 17 years old evidently.

Scissor
Reply to  SMC
April 28, 2021 5:30 pm

That makes me happy for her.

Reply to  Scissor
April 28, 2021 3:45 pm

!^!*

Martin
Reply to  Scissor
April 28, 2021 4:06 pm

Seeing her is not so bad – but it’s best not to have the sound on !!

Scissor
Reply to  Martin
April 28, 2021 5:32 pm

C’mon man!

SMC
Reply to  Scissor
April 28, 2021 5:56 pm

Oh Geez. At least Alizee was pretty and had a good singing voice when she was 19, or so. Roseanne Barr…good grief.

C B
Reply to  SMC
April 28, 2021 6:45 pm

The Alizee phenomenon started when she was 14 or 15 and her family made every cent they could out of it.

Redge
Reply to  SMC
April 29, 2021 12:26 am

You’re forgetting autotune, which even turned Cheryl Cole into a nightingale.

fred250
Reply to  Scissor
April 29, 2021 12:03 am

How about a REAL singer !!

Redge
Reply to  Scissor
April 29, 2021 12:26 am

Video killed the radio star

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Redge
Reply to  Scissor
April 29, 2021 12:29 am
Anders Valland
Reply to  Scissor
April 29, 2021 3:04 am

I’d rather see these:
https://youtu.be/LodsUzOFQqI

SMC
Reply to  Anders Valland
April 29, 2021 11:43 am

This is more my speed.

Steven Curtis Lohr
Reply to  Scissor
April 29, 2021 10:11 am

Ha, I saw this clip years ago. The lyrics are certainly appropriate for our times but the visuals are timeless. Thanks for reminding me.

niceguy
Reply to  Scissor
May 2, 2021 11:20 am

Any Russian woman is prettier and almost all Russians can actually sing in tune. I mean non professional singers. Pretty much everybody in Russia can sing in tune. It’s cultural. Not a of people in France can (saying that as a French citizen).

Tom in Toronto
April 28, 2021 2:22 pm

Thanks Eric! Worth a chuckle 🙂

ResourceGuy
April 28, 2021 2:22 pm

Suddenly everyone has a top hit. It’s a new stimulus payment.

ResourceGuy
April 28, 2021 2:24 pm

Boris and the Animals

Tom in Florida
Reply to  ResourceGuy
April 28, 2021 4:15 pm

Wasn’t their big hit “House of Agent J’s Son?

dk_
April 28, 2021 2:29 pm

“music declares emergency collective?” Borg!

markl
April 28, 2021 2:30 pm

Since the entertainment industry prides itself in being woke maybe they should learn to get along without money for the good of the earth instead of taking it from others.

Rud Istvan
April 28, 2021 2:31 pm

Here I thought April Fools day was the first f the month not yesterday.

John Dueker
April 28, 2021 2:39 pm

This has to be a joke right?

Tom in Florida
April 28, 2021 2:47 pm

Why don’t those in the music industry go out and get real jobs. Fake problem solved at no cost to the rest of us.

gringojay
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 28, 2021 4:57 pm

Their job application better top this one:

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Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 30, 2021 5:48 am

Q: How do you recognize a musician’s car?
A: By the magnetic pizza delivery sign on the roof.

John the Econ
April 28, 2021 2:56 pm

It is indeed ironic that it was the entertainment industry itself that fomented my contempt for pop environmentalism and ignorant, self-serving and outright hypocritical media types when I was a young, impressionable teenager.

In the mid-70s I recall listening to some entertainer during a concert prattle on about the “energy crisis” and our planet’s diminishing natural resources. As this very well-remunerated long-haired individual stood in front of wall of 50,000 watt speakers, he admonished us as to how we needed to give up our electric hair dryers to save the planet.

It was never made clear as to what this guy was going to be giving up. From that day on, I never took any of these people the least bit seriously.

Petit_Barde
April 28, 2021 3:17 pm

Earth Percent, which will redistribute the money to organisations working on the climate emergency,”

Call me stupid.

Notanacademic
April 28, 2021 3:19 pm

Peak stupidity has been mentioned a lot lately, alas were not there yet.

John Endicott
Reply to  Notanacademic
May 3, 2021 4:27 am

We’ll never reach peak stupidity, as it’s the one resource has a never ending supply.

Steve Oregon
April 28, 2021 3:22 pm

AOC for President?

Stevek
April 28, 2021 3:25 pm

How many people fly overseas just to see a concert ? Surely that is tiny fraction of air travel.

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Stevek
April 30, 2021 5:53 am

Actually, big name groups flying around the world on tour burns a lot less fossil fuel than fans flying all over to see their favorite artists performing at one location. Problem solved.

Shoki Kaneda
April 28, 2021 3:50 pm

The music industry could “nurture” local artists by taking a few risks and not trying to feed us the same synthetically bland, insipid crap of recent years.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
April 28, 2021 4:24 pm

Along the way they might even learn something about music, rather than noise …

Staffan Lindström
April 28, 2021 4:00 pm

Time for Brian Eno to compose “Music for the death of airports”….?

Chuck no longer in Houston
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
April 29, 2021 11:35 am

“I am really surprised to be here on the podium,” said the Belgian. Too funny

John Robertson
April 28, 2021 4:59 pm

“Every time I clap my hands,a child in Africa dies”.
“Then stop clapping you*#@@er”.
Seems Fans are smarter than their entertainment.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  John Robertson
April 28, 2021 11:16 pm

Ah, good old Bonno, he’s a classic Africa bleeding heart, eco-activist (of sorts), & self-righteous hypocrite!!!!!

Craig W
April 28, 2021 5:23 pm

As they say, “No play, no pay” … toss off!

saveenergy
April 28, 2021 6:18 pm

Music for a non fossil fuel life style

John Endicott
Reply to  saveenergy
May 3, 2021 4:31 am

“In case I’ve offended any Amish people, I’d just like to say: You’re not supposed to be watching TV! Get back to work!” – Weird Al.

Davis
April 28, 2021 6:49 pm

Interesting that the people least contributing to a productive society always want the most given to them from the productive people, all the while trying to impede the productivity. Film, arts, entertainment, sports, etc.
Maybe if they are hungry they could do an interpretive dance to feel better.

TonyG
Reply to  Davis
April 29, 2021 9:47 am

Wasn’t there a time when entertainers were simply tolerated (barely) instead of idolized?

Can we go back to that?

2hotel9
Reply to  TonyG
April 30, 2021 7:10 am

Yep, they were seen as the non-productive parasites they were, we can thank Hollywood for changing that. Before the film industry an widespread radio broadcasting most people had little idea who “entertainers” were.

Pat from kerbob
April 28, 2021 7:40 pm

Bill Maher is a comedian not a musician but touring is touring.
I like him because he does take nasty shots at leftist idiocy.

But even though he is all in for fighting climate change and last Friday he crowed about Biden’s big virtual climate reach around, he also couldn’t help state with glee that he will soon be able to start doing live shows again.
Has bookings in Florida, he lives in LA. Flies guests across the country for his show every week.

Completely oblivious about the hypocrisy

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
April 28, 2021 11:19 pm

“Completely oblivious about the hypocrisy”, Hypocrites always are!!!

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
April 29, 2021 4:32 am

While I do agree with some of what Maher says, he recently lost me entirely when he proclaimed that, contrary to all appearances, Biden is not in the throws of dementia but the smartest and most able President the USA has ever had!

Where has Maher been for the past 50 years? Nothing Biden has ever done indicated that there was a brain operating inside that head. Maher also thing Nancy Pelosi is a great asset to Congress….

Taking advice from celebrities is like asking your cat how to invest your retirement!

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
April 30, 2021 6:00 am

Cat nip futures.

2hotel9
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
April 29, 2021 6:26 am

Maher has been one of the primary sources of the leftist, anti-American cancel culture crap for over a decade. Screw him.

John Endicott
Reply to  2hotel9
May 3, 2021 4:48 am

Actually, Maher’s only good point is that he’s very much pro free speech and anti-cancel culture. He recently began a monlogue on the subject saying there was a need for a “stand your ground law… for cancel culture. so that when the woke mob comes after you for some ridiculous offense, you’ll stand your ground, stop apologizing. Because I can’t keep up with who’s on the s—list.”

“cancel culture is real, it’s insane, it’s growing exponentially, coming to a neighborhood near you…. If you think it’s just for celebrities, no,” Maher asserted. “In an era when everyone is online, everyone is a public figure. It’s like we’re all trapped in ‘The Hills Have Eyes… and Wifi.”

“Is this really who we want to become? A society of phony, clenched-a—— avatars walking on eggshells, always looking over your shoulder about getting ratted out for something that actually has nothing to do with your character or morals?” Maher asked. “Think about everything you’ve ever texted, emailed, searched for, tweeted, blogged, or said in passing. Or now even just witnessed. ‘Someone had a Confederate flag in their dorm room in 1990 and you didn’t do anything?’ ‘You laughed at a Woody Allen movie?'”

“Everybody hates it but nobody stands up to it,” Maher complained. “Because it’s always the safe thing to swallow what you really think and just join the mob.”

In reagards to the firing of Mandalorian star  Gina Carano for invoking the Holocaust on a social media post Maher exclaimed “She made some Nazi analogy. Who doesn’t these days?!? ‘You’re like the Nazis’ is the new ‘I don’t like you.’ ‘It’s always OK when Trump’s the Nazi.’ … By the way, you can’t work in Hollywood if you don’t believe what we believe? Yeah, in the 1950s, that’s exactly what the left complained they were being told.”

“Mature people understand humans are continually evolving as opposed to Wokeville, where they’re always shocked we didn’t emerge enlightened from the primordial ooze,” Maher said.

“Memo to social justice warriors: When what you’re doing sounds like an Onion headline, stop,” Maher concluded.

2hotel9
Reply to  John Endicott
May 4, 2021 2:37 am

Maher is pro HIS free speech. He was among the first to scream for others to be silenced. Now, with his ratings in the toilet, he has changed his tune. He sees that all his past “comedy” will be used to cancel him so he is suddenly all about free speech. He is a f**king hypocrite and a lie spewing scumbag of the first order. Also makes me wonder how many women he has had to secretly pay off to avoid the metooists, too.

John Endicott
Reply to  2hotel9
May 4, 2021 3:43 am

Yes Maher is pro HIS free speech, but he’s also championed free speech in general for *years* (you can find pro free speech monologues of his online going back decades, if you can stomaching search though the rest of his garbage to find them). His show was called “politically incorrect” for a reason, he’s been ranting against political correctness for almost as long as politically correctness has been a thing.

As I said, it’s his only good point (if you haven’t guessed, I’m no fan of Maher, but I do believe in giving credit where credit is due, and when it comes to free speech, Maher is due some credit). Has he hypocritically ever tried to silence someone? maybe, if so you’d have to give me some actual examples as I try to avoid listening to his nonsense as much as possible (hint: being scathingly critical of ones political opposites is not the same thing as trying to silence them). No examples then you’re pretty much no better than you claim he is in regards to “spewing lies”

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2hotel9
Reply to  John Endicott
May 4, 2021 5:30 am

You can defend Maher all you want, his own words and political stances condemn him. He is a leftist, he has repeatedly championed silencing all who are opposed to leftist ideology and trying to change all that now is subterfuge. He is merely attempting to hide from the cannibals in his party, the Democrat Party. Pure hypocrite. Period. Full stop.

John Endicott
Reply to  2hotel9
May 4, 2021 8:59 am

I’m not defending Maher (I personally can’t stand the guy, we are at polar opposites of the political spectrum, as you say he’s a leftist and I’m not, and other than free speech there’s pretty much nothing we agree on), I’m simply pointing out you are making a fool of yourself by spouting a line that doesn’t fit the facts and you’re not even attempting to back it up which shows that you can’t and you know it (otherwise you’d have at least attempted to do so).

Maher’s own words show he supports free speech (I already post some of them as an example. And that was just the most recent example of him doing so, as I said, he’s been doing it for decades, a fact you could have learned for yourself had you cared to look into it rather then spout the same baseless accusations that you were already called out for making). You claim he’s “repeatedly championed silencing those opposed to leftist ideology” yet when called to name names, you failed to do so (again remember that scathingly criticizing your political opponents is not the same thing as trying to silence them). I said before “no example and you show you are no better than you claim he is” and you respond by doubling down without giving any examples. Not a single one! You’ve made your own purely hypocritical bed. Period. full stop,

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John Endicott
Reply to  John Endicott
May 4, 2021 9:20 am

Now don’t get me wrong, it’s very possible he has championed the silencing of someone at some point (I don’t watch his show, so I’m not aware of everything he’s ever said) but I’ve yet to hear a single example of him doing so (and clearly you have no such examples to give me otherwise you’d have given them when asked the first time), whereas I have decades of having heard him defend free speech and his disdain of political correctness/cancel culture. So, no, it’s not a new thing for him as a some kind of “subterfuge” for “fending off the cannibals”, it’s something he’s been going on about for a long time now. It’s one thing not to like him or his politics (I’m right there with you on that), it’s something else to lie about what he’s said, done or believes (you’re on your own on that score).

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2hotel9
Reply to  John Endicott
May 5, 2021 3:25 am

There is nothing to back up, Bill Maher is a scumbag. He has been at the front of all this Democrat Party crap for years. You can choose to not accept that all you want, I don’t have prove anything, you can go watch his crap on youtube if you feel so strongly about it.

John Endicott
Reply to  2hotel9
May 5, 2021 6:30 am

Translation: you’ve got nothing.

Look, I agree with you he’s a scumbag, and if you left it at that, there’d be no problem. But you didn’t. You made a specific accusation that you did not (and indeed refuse to) back up. I backed up my point, right out of the gate, that he is pro-free speech/anti cancel culture by quoting his actual words on the subject (which you could have done for yourself via a simple search on any search engine of your choice). It’s a theme he’s talked about on numerous occasions over the decades. As I said, it’s the only positive thing I can say about the man. You claimed he was anti-free speech and has been at the forefront of cancel culture. When asked to back that up, you’ve failed. repeatedly. The onus is on the one making the accusation to back it up when called out (so yes, as the one who made the claim, *you* are the one that has to prove the claim true when called on it – particularly when evidence, such as his own words on the subject, has been presented that contradicts your claim. In short back it up or admit you were mistaken on that one point). Your failure (and refusal) to do so speaks volumes, not about Maher, but about you.

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2hotel9
Reply to  John Endicott
May 6, 2021 6:22 am

What he has said and what he has done is all you need, refusal to accept that does not excuse his sh&t.

John Endicott
Reply to  2hotel9
May 6, 2021 7:54 am

Yes, and what he has said and done in regards to his position on free speech, political correctness and cancel culture does not match what you claim it is – as I’ve already shown by quoting his own words on the subject. (and claim is all you managed to do, when asked to back up your claims you run away with the best response you can muster in essence boiling down to nothing more than a child-level retort along the lines of “because he’s a poopy-head”. Your repeated refusal even try to attempt to back up your claim shows that even you know you can’t). Your refusal to admit you were wrong doesn’t change the facts, it just makes you look bad.

As I’ve repeatedly made clear, I have nothing but contempt for the rest of his sh&t seeing nor offering any exuse for it, but on free speech, I have to give credit where it’s due. Shame you have to soil your own credit by refusing to admit to your own mistakes.

Here’s a word of advice, if you can’t admit to your error, then remember the first rule of holes; when you find yourself in one, stop digging.

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2hotel9
Reply to  John Endicott
May 6, 2021 1:36 pm

You keep defending this leftarded scumbag. That is your problem, not mine. QUIT DEFENDING ENEMIES OF THE HUMAN RACE! Moron.

John Endicott
Reply to  2hotel9
May 7, 2021 2:02 am

I’m not defending Marher, I’m pointing out the truth and facts in the face of your lies. That you lie and can’t back up your lies. that is entirely *YOUR* problem, but worse is that your lies reflect badly on everyone else that otherwise agree without political viewpoint. And yes, at this point, I have to call them lies, because you’ve been shown via actual quotes that your claim was false, you were asked to back up your claim and repeatedly refused. By double, tripling, and quadrupling down you keep willfully pushing the same false information, that’s called LYING. Lying does not help our side, it only hurts it, which is why lies need to be countered with the truth whenever they occur.

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2hotel9
Reply to  John Endicott
May 7, 2021 6:32 am

I don’t have to back up sh*t, Bill Maher has to prove he has not been part of the Democrat Party cancel culture. You keep defending him.

John Endicott
Reply to  2hotel9
May 8, 2021 7:36 am

You made the accusation the onus is on you to prove it. You refuse because you know you can’t. IE you lied and you know you lied. I’ve already given examples where Maher is against cancel culture, proving your accusation for the lie that it is. As I said this isn’t about defending Maher, as there is no defense for the stuff he *ACTUALLY* has done. This is about *YOU* making sh*t up. By All means go after Maher for the things he has done, you’ll find me right there with you. but don’t lie, because that’s where you lose me.

But, ok, for the sake of argument, lets go with your tactic that the one being accused is the one who has to prove it’s not true (which, by the way, is one of the tactics Cancel Culture uses. Once again you prove yourself as bad as those you claim to be against. when you act like cancel culture, you should know you’re in the wrong!) rather then the American way where the accuser is the one who has to prove that the accusation is true. Well then, you kick puppies and abuse children and molest women. Since “I don’t have to back up sh!t”, according to your (and cancel culture’s) own logic, it’s up to you to prove otherwise. Do you not see how terrible a tactic you are choosing to go with is? You don’t like it when cancel culture does it, so why be a hypocrite and do it yourself?

2hotel9
Reply to  John Endicott
May 9, 2021 9:39 am

There is no “onus” on me to prove to you Maher is not a leftarded scumbag who has repeatedly screeched for people to be silenced and cancelled. You want that proved YOU prove it. His words and actions are public record, go wallow in that puddle of sh&t to your heart’s content. Oh, and I am all for cancel culture, cancelling leftards is pro-America and pro-human.

John Enditcott
Reply to  2hotel9
May 9, 2021 11:41 am

Yes,the onus is on you to prove your accusations. You made the accusation, you were called on it, it’s up to you to prove it. Failure to do so only shows the world how full of sh!t you are.
This isn’t cancel culture where you get to claim whatever sh!t you want and it’s up to others to prove otherwise (even though in this case, I already have proven otherwise by going to the source and quoteing what the man actually had to say on the subject, which is a hell of a lot more than you’ve managed to do)

“prove to you Maher is not a leftarded scumbag who has repeatedly screeched for people to be silenced and cancelled”

While I don’t disagree that he’s a “leftarded scumbag”, show me just *ONE* example of him “screeching for people to be silenced and cancelled”. That should be easy as pie for you to do, if your claims were true. The fact you can’t shows that you are simply talking out your backside. The fact is he’s repeatedly supported free speech and he’s repeatedly attacked political correctness/cancel culture. It’s the only positive thing I can ever say about the man.

“His words and actions are public record”

Yes indeed they are. And only one of us have quoted any of his words from that public record and those quotes show your accusation for the lie that it is.

“Oh, and I am all for cancel culture”

You should be embarrassed that Maher’s own words shows he’s more in favor of free speech than you are, since he’s a leftarded scumbag, that makes you worse than a leftarded scumbag. Is that really what you aspire to be?

“Cancelling leftards is pro-America and pro-human”

Cancelling *anybody* is as anti-American and anti-human as it gets, this nation was founded on the principal of free-speech for *ALL*. Not only are you a liar, you’ve just proven yourself to be an anti-american lying POS. way to show your disgusting true colors there. I think we’re done here, I’d hate to see if you can go any lower than you already managed to get.

“When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” ― George R.R. Martin

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John Enditcott
Reply to  John Enditcott
May 9, 2021 11:58 am

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“When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” ― George R.R. Martin

wise words from the pen of Mr Martin there. When you cancel someone, all you are doing is showing the world that you fear what they have to say. As much of a scumbag as we both agree Maher is at least Maher supports free speech (as his own words show), you fear and hate it (as your own words have just shown). That alone makes Maher a better man than you, and I can’t stand Maher.

Patrick MJD
April 28, 2021 8:10 pm

Bono, the great climate hypocrite, still does world tours. He’s not worried about his “carbon” footprint (Which would be huge, if it mattered).

Alan the Brit
April 28, 2021 11:04 pm

“So what we really need is for the “taxpayer” to fund self identified artists to sit on their butts and not produce anything,”. There, fixed it for you free of charge, although I really, truly, “feel”, I need a decent whack of that “taxpayer” funding paid into my numbered Swiss bank account!!!!

Climate believer
April 28, 2021 11:24 pm

If there’s a “climate emergency™” then just stop immediately.
Emergencies require immediate action now, not in 10 years time.

…and while you’re at it, no more festivals, I’ve seen those diesel generators you hippy planet killing b@stards!

Vincent Causey
April 28, 2021 11:35 pm

We’ve gone far deeper down the rabbit hole in the last year than I ever thought possible.

In the UK they’re now seriously discussing taking away your right to own pets. In a tv breakfast show a guest was explaining that a “new study” showed that a dog has the carbon footprint of 2 SUV’s and a house. Interestingly, so on board were the producers that they had prepared an animation to go along with it – a cartoon of a dog was shown alongside 2 belching vehicles and a house just so you get the impact.

In a sane world, such a person would be challenged as a dangerous fanatic, but instead it was presented as all very reasonable and sensible, and definitely something the government should be considering.

Redge
April 29, 2021 12:34 am

So the musicians at the top, earning $$$$$$$$$$$ with nice cars and mansions want more.

My heart bleeds for them

Craig from Oz
April 29, 2021 1:55 am

The proposal is for artists, companies and individuals to commit a small percentage of their revenue to Earth Percent,

Well if you have ever actually been out and supported your local underground band scene you would know that a ‘small percentage’ of their gig profits is going to be two mouthfuls of beer.

By the time they factor in replacement strings and sticks and the cost of parking the van for the night VERY few bands make any profit for the average gig.

fretslider
April 29, 2021 2:14 am

Beyond selfish and stupid.

Will they stop using extravagant light shows and just play?

Will they only be able to use acoustic instruments with no PA?

What do they mean by local? The Hamsters were probably the hardest working band in the world. They were one of the premier blues-rock attractions, having performed 4,500 concerts in 24 years in just about every town in the UK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hamsters

Is that not local enough?

Most people can’t afford to fly off to a gig in another country. Most bands usually come to them – as part of the…. tour. . 

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2hotel9
April 29, 2021 3:48 am

If they don’t want to tour then just don’t tour, won’t cost tax payers a penny for these morons to simply sit at home and take out mom’s garbage once a week.

Bruce Cobb
April 29, 2021 4:53 am

The bottom line is that the whole concept of the “carbon footprint” is anti-human and anti-life. All human activity results in “carbon emissions”, and thus is subject to the evil eye of the carbon police. It thus opens up a world full of virtue signalling, green washing, and hypocrisy. It also opens up a myriad of money-making opportunities for climate scamsters. It’s enough to make one sick. The Music Industry, and indeed the Art and Entertainment Industry in general have happily climbed aboard the “Climate” train, but it is a two-edged sword. They will rue the day.

John Endicott
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 6, 2021 8:11 am

“carbon offsets” are the modern day indulgences.

2hotel9
Reply to  John Endicott
May 6, 2021 1:37 pm

Yes! And Bill Maher supports them 100%. Defend him some more.

John Endicott
Reply to  2hotel9
May 7, 2021 2:05 am

I’m right with you in condemning Maher for supporting carbon offsets. What I’m not with you on is lying about his stance on free-speech and cancel culture.

I’m not defending him, I’m taking *you* to task for *LYING*. It’s not about Maher, It never was, it’s all about your lying. Lying does our side no good, indeed it only hurts the credibility of everyone who shares your political viewpoint as our opponents can point to your bad faith lies and say “see they’re all a bunch of liars”. So your lies do more harm than good. Shame on you, because lying about that scumbag Maher makes you just as big of a scumbag as he is, and worse it risks the rest of us being tarred with the same brush by association if we leave your lies go unchallenged.

And really, when you have such an easy target, like Maher, lying about him is totally counter productive. Attack him for what he’s actually done (such as support carbon offsets) not for what you’ve make up about him, because he’s done plenty of scumbag things without having to invent any more. And, indeed, when you invent more, you take the focus off of Maher and what he’s done and put it on the fact that you are lying which lets Maher escape the spotlight as it shifts off him & his deeds and on to you and your bad behavior instead.

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Rusty
April 29, 2021 5:39 am

I feel sorry for Bono’s hat. No longer will it get its own first class seat.

LdB
April 29, 2021 7:06 am

If they want to save the planet then they should not use anything electrical or made of anything not natural. Learning to hold there breath for longer so they expire less CO2 would also be helpful. The alternative is to do what all hard rockers do with bad lifestyle choices and the end takes care of itself.

fretslider
Reply to  LdB
April 29, 2021 7:58 am

18th century instruments.

No lights, no amplification, no public address system, only candlelight.

Just like it used to be – for the elites only.

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Robert of Texas
April 29, 2021 10:23 am

Tax participants $1,000 each to go to a music concert…we’ll separate the real fans from the ones just going to have fun! (Also, the rich from the middle class)

Deserttrek
April 30, 2021 9:27 am

How about they look for a real job if they can’t make it. Maybe mommy has a room for them

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