BBC: Switching Consumers to Green Energy Tariffs Without Asking Permission Increases Acceptance

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The BBC is excited that 80-90% of Swiss consumers are still on green tariffs, four years after power companies adopted expensive green energy as the default choice for consumers.

Climate change: ‘Default effect’ sees massive green energy switch

By Matt McGrath
Environment correspondent

When Swiss energy companies made green electricity the default choice, huge numbers of consumers were happy to stick with it – even though it cost them more. 

Four years after the switch, researchers found that around 80% of customers were still on green tariffs.

This “default effect” happened partly because people didn’t want the hassle of switching back to fossil fuels. 

The authors say the idea could have a big impact on global emissions of CO2.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56361970

I doubt 80% of Swiss are loving the idea of paying higher power bills, more likely most of them haven’t read the fine print. When bills went up four years ago, most of them likely just accepted power bill misery is a part of life in the green energy age, without realising there was an option to demand they switch back to their old tariff.

The obvious learning from the Swiss experience is you need to take a really close look at your power bills, see if there is an “optional” green tariff you can request be removed.

Having said that, it is very unlikely there is a way to fully escape the hideous cost of green energy in most jurisdictions. Even jurisdictions which offer regular or green energy tariffs, the “regular” energy price is almost certainly contaminated with at least some of the cost of installing and operating green energy systems.

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March 11, 2021 6:09 pm

I live in Texas, and ERCOT made a very bad bet on wind. Not really having consistent power (or water) for much of a week, in the coldest February since 1909 was not at all pleasant.
If the greenies were on a list of who gets disconnected first in a smart meter load shedding program, it would serve the ignorant virtue signaling yahoos right.

griff
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 11, 2021 11:51 pm

ERCOT didn’t winterise its equipment, wind, fossil fuel and nuclear. Even after it was warned to do so. A 100% fossil fuel and nuclear Texas grid would still have gone down.

niceguy
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 3:47 am

Please give us your personal industrial experience with preparing for extreme weather.

MarkW
Reply to  niceguy
March 12, 2021 8:04 am

Every year, his mother gives him an extra blanket incase the basement gets cold.

griff
Reply to  MarkW
March 12, 2021 9:18 am

Really? That’s really pathetic.

Have you ever posted a reply to me in which you cited any actual research or evidence. No. Not once.

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 10:58 am

Yep, you truly are PATHETIC griff-fool.

You have NEVER cited anything worthwhile , just mindless propaganda.

You remain an empty sock-puppet.

ATheoK
Reply to  fred250
March 13, 2021 11:48 am

Ignorant willfully fatuous giffie.

David A
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 1:35 pm

Have you ever responded to the actual arguments made in a post or article?

griff
Reply to  niceguy
March 12, 2021 9:17 am

I don’t have to because Federal regulators spelled it out for Texas a decade ago

Texas Was Warned a Decade Ago Its Grid Was Unready for Cold – Bloomberg

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 11:02 am

Bloomberg, seriously !!! the ULTRA-left propaganda site..

Poor GULLIBLE griff-tard.

And the Democrat that is charge of ERCOT did nothing.

ANY grid with more than about 5-10% UNRELIABLE has BUILT-IN UNRELIABILITY.

WASTING funds on erratic , intermittent, unreliable wind and solar and neglecting to look after your RELIABLE supply sources was bound to have the result it did.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 12:38 pm

So what you’re saying is that they should have prepared for the climate to get, um, colder. Yes?

Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 4:53 am

“Winterizing” wind turbines would still not work in that long a period of freezing rain. It was not cold per se, but icing conditions. Deicing uses power, and if one reads the literature put out by the wind turbine manufactures, takes up to one hour to deice, during which the turbine must be shut down. Nice try, Griff.

griff
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 12, 2021 9:22 am

It absolutely would. And anyway it was NOT THE FAILURE OF THE WIND TURBINES WHICH WAS THE MAJOR PROBLEM

Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 9:49 am

Griff, it was overreliance on wind, and thus not having reliable sources that caused the rolling blackouts. As other sources were not built, wind producing what was expected, which was not much, made a difference.

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 11:04 am

It was MOST DEFINITELY the UTTER FAILURE of wind that was a major problem

But the REALLY BIG PROBLEM was that they had built-in UNRELIABILITY into their grid by the cow-towing to the anti-CO2, anti-LIFE greenie agenda

The sheer idiocy of this course came back to bite them.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 4:54 am

The grid did *NOT* go down. Stop lying. Any more unreliable and intermittent wind and solar as part of the grid and it *would* have gone down.

griff
Reply to  Tim Gorman
March 12, 2021 9:19 am

OK, I was imprecise: a large number of fossil fuel power stations ceased to operate.

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 11:08 am

WRONG AGAIN.. and DELIBERATELY LYING .. !

GAS boosted its output by 450% then because the democrat twerp in charge, of maintaining the grid had stupidly relied on UNRELIABLE supply sources due to cow-towing to the regressive greenie anti-CO2 anti-LIFE agenda,

Wind was a complete and utter FAILURE, just like it often is in the UK.

THANK GOODNESS FOR ALL THAT GAS, hey griff-idiot !!

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Ric Haldane
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 5:58 am

Griff, ERCOT does not own any equipment. They only over see the grid and do not have any authority to force power producers to do anything. They can point out potential problems though.

griff
Reply to  Ric Haldane
March 12, 2021 9:21 am

They have, as I understand it, the ability to inspect power stations and check if they are winterised. So they are definitely responsible.

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 11:12 am

Yep, they WASTED SO MUCH money of UNRELIABLES,…

.. and those UNRELIABLES they did as UNRELIABLES often do, and FAILED TO DELIVER WHEN NEEDED…..

…..the LARGE INCREASE in GAS, 450%, to cover for the near complete ABSENCE OF WIND, could not be maintain.

There is only one thing to be blamed for the ERCOT debacle, and that was the BUILT-IN UNRELIABILITY of their grid.due to cow-towing o the greenie agenda .

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Chuck no longer in Houston
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 12:31 pm

Griff, the wind simply was not blowing during that two day period. Windmills, frozen or not, do not work when the wind isn’t blowing.

Bryan A
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 6:59 am

griff
Reply to
Tom Halla
March 11, 2021 11:51 pm
ERCOT didn’t winterise its equipment, wind, fossil fuel and nuclear. Even after it was warned to do so. A 100% fossil fuel and nuclear Texas grid would still have gone down.

PROOF PLEASE

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griff
Reply to  Bryan A
March 12, 2021 9:22 am
fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 11:17 am

And all the UNRELIABLE WIND TURBINES FROZE.

Delivering , as they always seem do when really needed...

……ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!

GAS ramped up 450%

Thank goodness for ALL THAT GAS,

Like in the UK a few days ago

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Pat Frank
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 3:19 pm

Texas was infected with 7% wind power a decade ago. That’s why they had to (suddenly) worry about the cold.

ATheoK
Reply to  griff
March 13, 2021 12:08 pm

As with all giffie’s links, it does not show what giffie claims.

A) Bloomberg is a very leftist biased despotic billionaire paying for sheer propaganda; not research.

B) giffie’s link is paywalled. As with all giffie’s links it does not show any evidence for giffie’s fatuous ignorant sophistry.

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 7:25 am

I live on the Texas coast where there are lots of machines N and S of Corpus Christi requiring it, but the wind died. Often does that in the winter. Nice, but cool, boating. We had been often told that sea level is going to swamp us and it would never freeze again. Plumbers are busy.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 8:04 am

Only 1 in 4 nuclear plants went down. The percentage of gas and coal plants that went down was even smaller.
Gas plants were producing more power at the end of the cold snap then they did at the beginning, much, much more.
Had the federal government not required the pipeline pumps to be powered from the grid instead of from natural gas, now gas powered plants would have gone down.

Wind lost 98% of it’s pre-storm output. Solar was similar.

ATheoK
Reply to  MarkW
March 13, 2021 12:15 pm

Those plants did not “go down”. They were taken offline to protect the expensive generating equipment as the grid’s electricity, thanks to totally unreliable wind and solar, went seriously substandard. Threatening everything trying to feed electricity into the grid and all homes and businesses using electricity.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 8:49 am

It’s MIGHTY strange, Griff, that other states FAR to the north of Texas, facing even COLDER weather did not have that problem! But, then THEY don’t rely on WIND for 25% of their power, either! The WIND stopped blowing! Why can’t you understand that? So-called ‘renewables’ are extremely unreliable! No amount of laws OR subsidies will ever overcome that fact!

griff
Reply to  IAMPCBOB
March 12, 2021 9:23 am

Really? And they didn’t have any natural gas or nuclear go offline, did they… which was the problem in Texas, wasn’t it?

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 11:20 am

WIND .. FAILED TO DELIVER

GAS RAMPED UP 450%,

….but because of the greenie agenda causing BUILT-IN UNRELIABILITY , that was not able to be maintained.

The cause of the ERCOT problems is TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY due to the wind infection on their grid

GET OVER IT, ignorant moron !!

ATheoK
Reply to  fred250
March 13, 2021 12:16 pm

Should be double vote points for that final summation sentence.

Pat Frank
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 11:53 am

griff, “A 100% fossil fuel and nuclear Texas grid would still have gone down.

No, it would not have done. A fully fossil fuel (and nuclear) grid don’t rely on wind-power. All the back-up systems would have remained active. As they did in the past before Texas stupidly installed wind power and assumed that it would reliably supply 10% of its power needs.

Texas has had freezes before. They never crashed power delivery until the big push into wind and solar.

Wikipedia lists major power outages since 1965. The first one in Texas occurred in 2011, again during a cold snap.

Texas had been installing wind in a big way in 2001, and by 2011 wind supplied 7.4% of electrical power in Texas.

More wind, less reliability.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 12:34 pm

Of course it didn’t winterise its equipment: the thermageddonists had been telling everyone that it was already the “end of snow”
Serves them right for listening to the CAGW brigade, eh?

March 11, 2021 6:22 pm

In Australia ‘I Compare’ and ‘Compare the Market’ programmes and services have done much to annually steer consumers toward lower overall costs forb power and get them away from expensive, fraudulent Green Energy schemes, much to the disappointment of the Scamsters.

griff
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 11, 2021 11:52 pm

I note the SA Tesla battery has provably reduced consumer costs by making power cheaper at times of peak demand…

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 3:03 am

WRONG as always !!

The battery does NOT PRODUCE ANY ELECTRICITY SUPPLY

Battery does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except stabilise the huge fluctuations of UNRELIABLE wind and solar

It as costly boondoggle scam on the people of SA.

SA is currently using GAS and DIESEL GENERATORS

No battery, and basically ZERO wind.

Stop making yourself look like a TOTAL IDIOT, griff. !

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fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 3:17 am

They charge the battery using GAS and DIESEL and interconnects..

… and use it to attempt to control the erratic unreliability of wind and solar.

IF only they still had some solid reliable COAL instead…

…. they wouldn’t need such an expensive NON-SOURCE

MarkW
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 8:06 am

If it’s provable, then please do so.

Please tell us how a battery array that hold less than 5 minutes worth of power is cutting the peak demands on power plants.

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oeman 50
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 8:49 am

I read the other day that Yalloum Power Station, a 1.480 MW brown coal plant in Victoria is being shut down 4 years early and will be “replaced, in part, by a 4 hour 350 MW grid-scale battery. You have got to be kidding me, 4 hours of 350 MW replaces 1,480 MW of 24/7 power, even “partly”? Dream on!

Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 9:22 am

You never ever get it right, isn’t it ?
Go back to school, learn how to use a pocket calculator and some EXCEL basics or what ever spreadsheet program you may use – or not.

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ATheoK
Reply to  griff
March 13, 2021 12:21 pm

What an incredibly stupid delusion!
Did you get that nonsense from bloomieberg too?

Musk’s battery has minutes of backup power… It’s cost hurts consumers for decades yet to come
Instead that massive battery is solely used an incredibly overpriced line conditioner.

Robert of Texas
March 11, 2021 6:31 pm

The true costs of so-called Green Energy are buried in our power bills and taxes.

All that infrastructure we have to build in Texas to reach the wind turbines is shared pain among the consumers, including the ones who do not want green energy. The government money handed to power companies to help build the infrastructure – that’s our taxes. The huge subsidies paid for green energy – that’s our taxes as well. The increasing costs of electricity – yup, to pay for the green energy which IS NOT competive in any honest form of the word.

When good old Biden starts building all those recharge stations? That’s our taxes and our children’s and grandchildren’s taxes they are spending. Gasoline stations were built by private enterprise – not a socialistic government trying to dictate what we will drive.

MarkW
Reply to  Robert of Texas
March 11, 2021 6:49 pm

Democrats are into central planning. They actually believe that government can make better decisions than can mere citizens.

Look at their reaction to the COVID pandemic. Despite the fact that health care is primarily a state responsibility, they are condemning Trump for not taking charge of the effort immediately.
2 major ironies.
Their second favorite molester, Cuomo was front and center in declaring that HE, not Trump was in charge in New York.
The same Democrats who are now declaring that Trump caused thousands of deaths by not doing more, sooner, were at the time declaring that Trump was over reacting and doing too much.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
March 11, 2021 7:20 pm

One of the provisions in the COVID bail out bill was billions for some states, However in the fine print it says that if a state takes this money, the state can’t cut taxes or spending.
There’s also a provision to pay off 120% of any loans that farmers had taken out prior to Jan 1, 2021. There is one condition, you can’t be a white farmer if you want any of that money.

Spetzer86
Reply to  MarkW
March 12, 2021 5:39 am

I think we should take a page from the popular news and not state the names of mass murders in news and articles. In this light, the current governor of NY should just remain nameless.

gringojay
Reply to  MarkW
March 11, 2021 8:02 pm

There are geniuses in their own minds.

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fred250
Reply to  Robert of Texas
March 11, 2021 8:45 pm

A study done on the Implementation Cost of “Unreliables” into the Vietnam grid shows JUST HOW EXPENSIVE they really are..

And several other costs were not actually considered.

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ATheoK
Reply to  fred250
March 13, 2021 12:31 pm

Looks like they’re following IEA and EIA precedent where subsidy revenue for renewables are listed as costs against coal and CCGT.

griff
Reply to  Robert of Texas
March 11, 2021 11:53 pm

US govt, state or federal, is not funding EV charge stations. Private enterprise is.

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 3:05 am

ROFLMAO, you really are a clueless little muppet, griff.

The swiss chef has 1000 times your intelligence. !

They won’t get built unless the government provides the funding in some way or other..

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IAMPCBOB
Reply to  fred250
March 12, 2021 9:00 am

The ONLY way ‘renewables’ are competitive with other power sources is through MASSIVE, EXHORBITANT subsidies! Without that they have NO chance of EVER being competitive! Griff lives in a fantasy world where HIS ideas about everything are all that matter! Facts and TRUTH certainly don’t!

Disputin
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 3:44 am

With, I presume, hefty subsidies.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Disputin
March 12, 2021 9:01 am

Make that MASSIVE subsidies.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 5:06 am
  1. Bai-den said *he* was going to build them.
  2. Private enterprise isn’t going to dig up the right-of-way on every street of our large cities to install copper to EV charging stations – GOVERNMENT IS. No private company could afford the cost that will entrail.
MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
March 12, 2021 8:09 am

cost that will entrail

Yes, it will feel like getting disemboweled.


ATheoK
Reply to  Tim Gorman
March 13, 2021 12:35 pm

Especially as massive government contracts will squeeze copper supply causing copper’s costs to rocket higher.

Trouble is, when copper’s price skyrockets so do thefts of copper. Especially the very heavy gauge wires necessary to supply vehicle recharge stations.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 6:28 am

Well, that took me 30 seconds to google…
Guide to federal funding and financing of EVs and charging stations

MarkW
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
March 12, 2021 8:09 am

I would imagine that states and cities are providing even more funding.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
March 12, 2021 9:03 am

The link doesn’t work, Andrew.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 12, 2021 12:29 pm

Cheers Krishna! I must have chopped some letters off the link…

Quilter52
March 11, 2021 7:17 pm

Why isnt the BBC Running stories about the fraud being perpetuated on customers by changing conditions without their agreement?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 11, 2021 9:27 pm

The only truly “green” form of power production is any source that produces CO2 as a by-product. Life on Earth’s greatest enemy is the planet’s hunger for sequestering CO2.

MarkG
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 11, 2021 10:16 pm

C’mon man. They’re on the right side of History.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 12, 2021 9:04 am

And the UK, being this HUGE nation, will have a tremendous effect, right?

Abolition Man
Reply to  Quilter52
March 11, 2021 9:35 pm

Most Progressives don’t have a problem with crime and corruption as long as it is done in the name of their religion! Only evil people are ever guilty in their eyes; you know, conservatives, libertarians, classical liberals or (gasp) Trump supporters!

Rick C
March 11, 2021 7:18 pm

It appears that 93% of Switzerland’s electricity comes from hydro and nuclear plants. Doesn’t leave much room for wind and solar. Couldn’t find a direct comparison of green vs non-green tariffs but if its more than a few % the Swiss are getting ripped off.

Paul Trunz
March 11, 2021 7:45 pm

I live in Zürich, Switzerland and just did a quick check. As a private cunsumer I am _only_ offered what you call ‘green’ tarifs. This is not as bad as it sounds, sinnce most of swiss power is generated by (old) hydro which makes it moderately expansive and above all switchable. I may only choose to deselect so ar which will only shave about 5% off the bill. May be worth it, but it may not be worth a lot of consumers.
Prices are still reasonable and since distribution is almost half of the cost there is limited potential to economise on production as we simply have no coal and therefore no coal plants either.

Gary Ashe
March 11, 2021 7:54 pm

I absolutely detest the bbc, they are the reason i stopped watching tv 6 or 7 yrs ago, all tv, because its all contaminated by marxist ideology now manifesting itself in numerous ways from ad’s containing more none white people than white per adverts break even tho they only make up 15% of the population etc to everything being leftist leaning, and women, women talking heads on every politics show, i have nothing against women i married 3, but women and their feeling and opinions on or about politic’s are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed it simply drove me up the wall, again simply cultural marxism in another guise, its ruined nearly everything that was good about the media and life in general for that matter, the disgusting bbc lead and the rest follow like the NPR’s they are.
I absolutely detest the bbc, they are the reason i stopped watching tv 6 or 7 yrs ago, all tv, because its all contaminated by marxist ideology now manifesting itself in numerous ways from ad’s containing more none white people than white per adverts break even tho they only make up 15% of the population etc to everything being leftist leaning, and women, women talking heads on every politics show, i have nothing against women i married 3, but women and their feeling and opinions on or about politic’s are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed it simply drove me up the wall, again simply cultural marxism in another guise, its ruined nearly everything that was good about the media and life in general for that matter, the disgusting bbc lead and the rest follow like the NPR’s they are.

I have nothing against none white people either, the over representation on screen is simply reverse racism against white actors and white presenters, and that being forced on me i don’t like one bit so the tv never gets switched on its just a dust collector.

Rant over, any way its greener not to have it on.

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Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 11, 2021 9:19 pm

I haven’t had an actual television for 30 years. It’s all garbage, and this is reinforced every time I see someone’s television. Streaming services seem to at least allow you to watch what you want, but in a very limited way.

I don’t want to pay for multiple streaming services and a high internet connection, so I just buy dvds. That way I get to watch what I want, and I’m not at the whim of the services when they drop films or series. I’m hoping dvds will last me until I am no longer functioning, but I’ll probably have to buy a new format again (sigh).

Big plus, both of my kids learned to read for pleasure very early, like 4 years old. My brother’s kids are addicted to television and tablet games, the poor sods.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
March 11, 2021 10:05 pm

After living in China for 14 years I have learned pirating and there is no chance of getting caught (there are techniques). I don’t agree with the meme of pirating costs jobs and there won’t be any content produced. Absolute nonsense when you consider the obscene amounts of money these actors get. I gave up on pirated DVDs. Lots didn’t work properly.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
March 11, 2021 10:53 pm

What a wonderful human being you are. /sarc

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 11, 2021 11:03 pm

Thanks. I feel I’m special.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
March 12, 2021 8:14 am

Lots of people find imaginative ways to justify their desire to steal from others. It usually does involve a belief that the people you are stealing from have more money then they need.
But beyond that, you are aware that lots of people are employed in making movies, not just the big name actors. Most of those people don’t make any more money than you do.

If everybody pirated, then there would be no money to create movies. Simple economics. As long as only a small percentage of people are dishonest, the only cost is higher prices for those who don’t believe in stealing.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MarkW
March 12, 2021 2:58 pm

I guess going to the library puts publishers and writers out of business. Sci-hub puts scientific publishers out of business. Going to a mate’s place and watching a DVD that they rented is stealing. Sharing a Netflix or ‘whatever’ account is stealing. Buying a legal DVD from a different zone for $3 instead of $25 is stealing.
Production people for movies are paid the same whether its a blockbuster or a flop.
The internet is the largest library ever conceived, everything on it is mine to peruse.
Sharing is caring.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
March 11, 2021 10:27 pm

Book distribution now is also being ‘curated’ e.g. Amazon.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
March 12, 2021 4:50 am

There’s a new streaming service called “tubi” owned by the Fox Network. I get it because my Sony DVD player has an app for it. Other players probably have it too- the newer ones. I think the app is on newer “smart” TVs. And you can watch it online too. It’s free but it has advertisments. I don’t mind them all that much because tubi has more and better selection of videos than Netflix- far more documentaries and hundreds of stand up comic shows- which I don’t care for but my wife likes them. It also has virtually old TV shows from the beginning of TV and thousands of very old movies which you won’t find on Netflix.

MarkG
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 11, 2021 10:17 pm

There’s no such thing as ‘reverse racism’. There’s just ‘racism.’

The BBC is blatantly racist and anti-British.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  MarkG
March 11, 2021 10:53 pm

Exactly. Reverse racism would be no racism.

Chris Nisbet
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 11, 2021 10:19 pm

Check out Alex Belfield on YT. He feels the same way about the BBC.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 11, 2021 10:33 pm

Gary,
The amount of misogny you can put into a single sentence while claiming not to be
misognist is impressive, i.e. “ I have nothing against women i married 3, but women and their feeling and opinions on or about politic’s are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed it simply drove me up the wall”

fred250
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 12, 2021 11:25 am

OMG, your comments get more PATHETIC every day Izzy-a-twat.. !

Seems he met women that were very much like you in that

…. feeling and opinions on or about politics are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed…

Just like they are about everything else.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  fred250
March 12, 2021 3:07 pm

He was painting all women with a broad brush, Fred. Izaak is right on this one.

griff
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 11, 2021 11:54 pm

i have nothing against women i married 3′

made me smile even before my first coffee!

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 12, 2021 6:21 am

 women and their feeling and opinions on or about politic’s are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed

What a classy piece of work you are…

Gary Ashe
March 11, 2021 8:12 pm

Mod can you please delete my above post as editing it doubled up the first paragraph thnks.

I absolutely detest the bbc, they are the reason i stopped watching tv 6 or 7 yrs ago, all tv, because its all contaminated by marxist ideology now manifesting itself in numerous ways from ad’s containing more none white people than white per adverts break even tho they only make up 15% of the population etc to everything being leftist leaning, and women, women talking heads on every politics show, i have nothing against women i married 3, but women and their feeling and opinions on or about politic’s are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed it simply drove me up the wall, again simply cultural marxism in another guise, its ruined nearly everything that was good about the media and life in general for that matter, the disgusting bbc lead and the rest follow like the NPR’s they are.

I have nothing against none white people either, the over representation on screen is simply reverse racism against white actors and white presenters, and that being forced on me i don’t like one bit so the tv never gets switched on its just a dust collector.
Rant over, any way its greener not to have it on.

March 11, 2021 9:20 pm

“…it is very unlikely there is a way to fully escape the hideous cost of green energy in most jurisdictions. Even jurisdictions which offer regular or green energy tariffs, the “regular” energy price is almost certainly contaminated with at least some of the cost of installing and operating green energy systems.”

Remember the Greens understand middle class will not willing submit to its own demise. They need to break us.

Rory Forbes
March 11, 2021 9:23 pm

I wish people would stop automatically using the term “green” just because the AGW true believers use it, when the only proven GREEN energy would be the type emitting the most CO2. There’s nothing green about solar, wind or even hydro.

If you want to be “green” use fossil fuels.

fred250
Reply to  Rory Forbes
March 11, 2021 9:25 pm

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Rory Forbes
Reply to  fred250
March 11, 2021 10:24 pm

That’s a brilliant reminder and a bumper sticker I’d use.

Many thanks …

fred250
Reply to  Rory Forbes
March 11, 2021 10:54 pm

Feel free to make it into anything you like,

… badges, stickers, full page printout in back window of car. etc etc. 🙂

Zig Zag Wanderer
March 11, 2021 9:25 pm

I’ve been saying for decades now, if everyone who believes in CAGW just paid for ‘green’ energy, and invested their pensions (probably the largest investment slice of the market) in ‘green’ stocks, then the problem would be solved.

Next you just need to remove government subsidies for said ‘green’ energy and companies, and we don’t have to support the idiots.

Step 3, buy earplugs to avoid being disturbed by said idiots wailing about massive costs and tanking pensions.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
March 11, 2021 9:48 pm

Liberalism is sorta self leveling, most of them remain childless and ignore the primary function of nature by aborting their off-spring in the womb, so like all the other evolutionary dead-ends they will eventually disappear.

Liberal logic 101 save nature by doing the opposite of nature and dying off.

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MarkG
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 11, 2021 10:19 pm

Liberals reproduce by grooming conservatives’ kids into liberalism.

Quite why conservatives continue to send kids to schools which will do that to them is beyond me. The moment they stop doing that is the moment liberalism dies out.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
March 11, 2021 9:48 pm

That would just be plain mean! That’d be like like making the open borders crowd remove their front door locks, or take in an immigrant family; instead of making everyone else pay for their emotional altruism! Most of the members of GangGreen would go into shock if they ever saw the real costs associated with their idiotic policies; thus the need to censor information!

Rod Evans
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 11, 2021 11:36 pm

Abolition Man, your pen name brings to mind the Green Party’s preferred policy, here in the UK. Their past leader and now permanent state funded, Baroness Jenny Jones stood up in the House of Lords this week and said. She would introduce a curfew on all men, forcing them to stay home from 6.00 pm every day in order to safeguard women.
I post this, just to let everyone know the Gang Green disease is spreading. It is having devastating impacts on the body politic, all across the world.

JeffC
Reply to  Rod Evans
March 12, 2021 2:02 am

If this woman cloned herself and filled the streets with the clones no man would dare go out at night!

JeffC
Reply to  JeffC
March 12, 2021 2:07 am

See what I mean?

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Gerry, England
Reply to  JeffC
March 12, 2021 6:45 am

Is some cauldron somewhere missing a witch?

Notanacademic
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 12, 2021 8:10 am

I bet there’s a broomstick in her parking space

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Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 12, 2021 8:11 am

The misogyny is rampant here today.

fred250
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 12, 2021 12:59 pm

These are NOT women !

no mysogyny…

just utter contempt for their UGLY ANTI-HUMAN PERSONA

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  fred250
March 12, 2021 3:04 pm

Only because you disagree with them. Try not to go overboard every single time, Fred.

Reply to  JeffC
March 12, 2021 9:29 am

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See what I mean?
yeah 😀

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Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 12, 2021 3:05 pm

You guys are not helping our side of the argument at all, by being so shallow.

Gerry, England
Reply to  Rod Evans
March 12, 2021 6:51 am

I wonder how hard to she has to work to be that stupid? Or is it a natural talent?

MarkW
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 12, 2021 8:19 am

Does liberalism make people stupid, or do only stupid people become liberals?

MarkW
Reply to  Rod Evans
March 12, 2021 8:18 am

There was a time when liberals proclaimed that any form of stereotyping was evil.
Now days, stereotyping is pretty much the only thing liberals do.

Climate believer
March 11, 2021 11:22 pm

Electricity prices June 2020, includes all components of the electricity bill such as the cost of power, distribution and taxes.

The Swiss pay $0.221 per kWh (€0.187)

The Brits pay $0.260 per kWh (€0.219)

Germans pay $0.378 per kWh (€0.319) most expensive electricity in the world.

Americans pay $0.149 per kWh (€0.126)

Average price worldwide $0.138 per kWh (€0.116)

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/

griff
Reply to  Climate believer
March 11, 2021 11:56 pm

And I say again: the Germans choose to tax their electricity, and that is NOT entirely a tax from renewables.

Plus, as I’ve told you before, they use less electricity per household than the US and very many of them have their own solar or shares in a renewable energy scheme, which significantly reduces their costs.

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 3:12 am

“Plus, as I’ve told you before”

More mindless yapping. Everybody KNOWS that what you say is almost universally a LIE. !

They use less because its SO DARN EXPENSIVE

Many families in energy poverty

But you DON’T CARE do you, .. despicable leftist prat.

German wind and solar WOULD NOT EXIST without government taxes and funding and mandates

Wind is basically useless, below 20% of nameplate 60% of the time

WHO PAYS for the other 80% that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !

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Paul Jenkinson
Reply to  fred250
March 12, 2021 4:31 am

Aren’t the Germans building new HELE fossil fuel plants now because their grandiose renewable energy program has failed miserably ,losing them billions of euros?

Climate believer
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 3:24 am

The renewable surcharge is without doubt hiking up end costs, and nobody said it was the entire reason Mr strawman.

In 2019, this surcharge made up 21 percent of the final power price for German households. 

Plus…

Electricity tax or “ecological tax” = 7 percent, because?… well why not?

Germans are so guilt ridden they’ll pay anything to be seen as the “goodies”, except that Merkel’s kneejerk reaction to Fukushima has put them all in deep doodoo.

Using less electricity than most Americans is done by almost everybody on the planet, that’s not a great reference.

What about the Brit’s? ~ 4,496 kWh per person per year.

…and the Swiss? ~ 6,572 kWh per person per year

Germans? ~ 6,306 kWh per person per year.

As usual you’re talking out of your Arschloch.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 6:17 am

Don’t be so daft Griff. German’s pay such high prices precisely because of their suicidal “energiewende” silliness

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Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
March 12, 2021 6:19 am

And their green mania has caused their energy prices to rise over the years.

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MarkW
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 8:20 am

In griff’s world, anything a politician does, is by definition the will of the people and may not be questioned.
Unless of course the politician does something griff disagrees with, in which case the people of the world demand that the politician be punished.

Redge
March 11, 2021 11:30 pm

Did anyone notice since the demise of Richard Black, the BBC don’t allow comments on environmental issues?

griff
March 11, 2021 11:50 pm

‘I see the power is off again’ is something you hear from American, fossil fuel powered households, not from grids in Europe with a high reliability and high level of renewables…

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 6:05 am

Even the “eco companies” who are making fast cash out of gullible people (such as Griff) are having to admit that European grid reliability is only possible because of fossil fuel back up:

….the variable output of wind and solar plants has to be balanced by the frequent, rapid ramping up and down of fossil-fuel generators, which adds to electricity costs and carbon emissions. 

They’ve also had to admit that windmills and rainbow catchers aren’t bringing energy costs down. You’ve been had Griff.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/why-arent-lower-renewable-costs-cutting-european-energy-market-prices

MarkW
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 8:23 am

1) To the extent that those grids that have high penetration of renewables haven’t collapsed, it’s because of their interties to those grids that haven’t fallen for that foolishness.
2) The German and UK grids have come periously close to complete collapse several times this past winter.
3) As the percentage of renewables have increased, all grids become more expensive and less stable.

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 11:30 am

UK is on the edge.

REGULARLY has to rely on MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF GAS and interconnects to NUCLEAR

WIND is known to regularly FAIL TO PRODUCE, like it did for several days last week

THANK GOODNESS FOR FOSSIL FUEL GAS. !

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You really are a MORONICALLY IGNORANT HYPOCRITE, griff.

Reply to  griff
March 12, 2021 1:09 pm

Exit from security of supply

The exit from coal-fired power plants is taking shape, as are the associated problems. On January 1, 2021, eleven hard coal-fired power plants in Germany with a total capacity of 4700 megawatts were shut down and the operators paid € 317 million for the premature shutdown. As Daniel Wetzel reported in “Die Welt” , the most powerful German hard coal-fired power station, Heyden, was shut down on January 1, 2021 – five years before the planned shutdown. At the request of the network operator Tennet, the system had to be restarted six times since the turn of the year. The reasons for this were, on the one hand, disruptions in the European network (on January 8th and February 25th) and dark lulls in the course of January and February.
Two other plants that were shut down on January 1st must remain in operation for an indefinite period of time: The network operator Amprion applied to the Federal Network Agency to classify STEAG’s Walsum 9 power plant and RWE’s Hamm Westfalen E power plant as “systemically relevant” and the To oblige owners to continue operating as reserve power plants. The lack of electricity will become evident in the dark doldrums of next winter when another 3 nuclear power plants (Brokdorf, Grundremmingen, Grohnde) are to be shut down.

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griff, any comments ?

Matthew Sykes
March 12, 2021 12:32 am

And of course pure BS: “Petroleum and other fuels are the main sources of energy in Switzerland (50.6%), followed by electricity (25%), gas (13.5%) and wood (4.4%).
Electricity is mainly generated by hydropower (59.9%), nuclear power (33.5%) and conventional thermal power plants (2.3%, non-renewable).”

https://www.eda.admin.ch/aboutswitzerland/en/home/wirtschaft/energie/energie—fakten-und-zahlen.html#:~:text=Petroleum%20and%20other%20fuels%20are,%25%2C%20non%2Drenewable).

Peter Plail
March 12, 2021 1:16 am

Do green energy users have their power turned off when the wind doesn’t blow?

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MarkW
Reply to  Peter Plail
March 12, 2021 8:24 am

If not, they should.

TonyG
March 12, 2021 8:01 am

“If you force people to do things they’re more likely to accept it”? That’s really the “reasoning” here?

MarkW
Reply to  TonyG
March 12, 2021 8:24 am

Liberals are at their core, totalitarians. They believe in doing whatever it takes to force other people to live up to the standards that most liberals ignore in their own lives.

kzb
March 12, 2021 9:23 am

Energy companies very often advertise “100% Green Energy” on their websites. We were told by none other than Martin Lewis this claim is meaningless but does not break advertising standards legislation.
Despite what some on here are saying, these energy companies are frequently the cheapest. But it isn’t because they are buying 100% green energy. My own gas supplier advertises this but its carbon emissions are slightly above average. So go figure that one.

Sprokng
March 12, 2021 11:06 am

The electric mix in Switzerland is about 60 % water and 40 % nuclear (up to 60% in January, from France) plus some alterNAIVE sources.

Switzerland has NO fossil fuel based electricity production.

So the British state propaganda machine lies as usual.

Sprokng
Reply to  Sprokng
March 14, 2021 9:31 am

A little correction:
2.8 % are probabely from combined cycle power plants.

Source:
https://www.kernenergie.ch/de/schweizer-strommix-_content—1–1069.html

(A pro nuclear energy dite)

Iain Reid
March 12, 2021 10:57 pm

As far as green tariffs go, how many customers or potential customers actually believe that signing up with a ‘Green Energy Provider’ will reduce CO2 emissions?

Because it is simply not true, and the statement these companies typically make in saying they sell only 100% green energy is, at best, a distortion of the truth. They may only buy from renewable sources or buy renewable credits but can’t control what power goes to the consumer. And it makes no difference whatsoever to CO2 emissons.

Is it fraudulent to claim they only sell ‘green energy’, I think so but I’m not a lawyer?

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