Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The BBC is excited that 80-90% of Swiss consumers are still on green tariffs, four years after power companies adopted expensive green energy as the default choice for consumers.
Climate change: ‘Default effect’ sees massive green energy switch
By Matt McGrath
Environment correspondentWhen Swiss energy companies made green electricity the default choice, huge numbers of consumers were happy to stick with it – even though it cost them more.
Four years after the switch, researchers found that around 80% of customers were still on green tariffs.
This “default effect” happened partly because people didn’t want the hassle of switching back to fossil fuels.
The authors say the idea could have a big impact on global emissions of CO2.
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Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56361970
I doubt 80% of Swiss are loving the idea of paying higher power bills, more likely most of them haven’t read the fine print. When bills went up four years ago, most of them likely just accepted power bill misery is a part of life in the green energy age, without realising there was an option to demand they switch back to their old tariff.
The obvious learning from the Swiss experience is you need to take a really close look at your power bills, see if there is an “optional” green tariff you can request be removed.
Having said that, it is very unlikely there is a way to fully escape the hideous cost of green energy in most jurisdictions. Even jurisdictions which offer regular or green energy tariffs, the “regular” energy price is almost certainly contaminated with at least some of the cost of installing and operating green energy systems.
I live in Texas, and ERCOT made a very bad bet on wind. Not really having consistent power (or water) for much of a week, in the coldest February since 1909 was not at all pleasant.
If the greenies were on a list of who gets disconnected first in a smart meter load shedding program, it would serve the ignorant virtue signaling yahoos right.
ERCOT didn’t winterise its equipment, wind, fossil fuel and nuclear. Even after it was warned to do so. A 100% fossil fuel and nuclear Texas grid would still have gone down.
Please give us your personal industrial experience with preparing for extreme weather.
Every year, his mother gives him an extra blanket incase the basement gets cold.
Really? That’s really pathetic.
Have you ever posted a reply to me in which you cited any actual research or evidence. No. Not once.
Yep, you truly are PATHETIC griff-fool.
You have NEVER cited anything worthwhile , just mindless propaganda.
You remain an empty sock-puppet.
Ignorant willfully fatuous giffie.
Have you ever responded to the actual arguments made in a post or article?
I don’t have to because Federal regulators spelled it out for Texas a decade ago
Texas Was Warned a Decade Ago Its Grid Was Unready for Cold – Bloomberg
Bloomberg, seriously !!! the ULTRA-left propaganda site..
Poor GULLIBLE griff-tard.
And the Democrat that is charge of ERCOT did nothing.
ANY grid with more than about 5-10% UNRELIABLE has BUILT-IN UNRELIABILITY.
WASTING funds on erratic , intermittent, unreliable wind and solar and neglecting to look after your RELIABLE supply sources was bound to have the result it did.
So what you’re saying is that they should have prepared for the climate to get, um, colder. Yes?
“Winterizing” wind turbines would still not work in that long a period of freezing rain. It was not cold per se, but icing conditions. Deicing uses power, and if one reads the literature put out by the wind turbine manufactures, takes up to one hour to deice, during which the turbine must be shut down. Nice try, Griff.
It absolutely would. And anyway it was NOT THE FAILURE OF THE WIND TURBINES WHICH WAS THE MAJOR PROBLEM
Griff, it was overreliance on wind, and thus not having reliable sources that caused the rolling blackouts. As other sources were not built, wind producing what was expected, which was not much, made a difference.
It was MOST DEFINITELY the UTTER FAILURE of wind that was a major problem
But the REALLY BIG PROBLEM was that they had built-in UNRELIABILITY into their grid by the cow-towing to the anti-CO2, anti-LIFE greenie agenda
The sheer idiocy of this course came back to bite them.
The grid did *NOT* go down. Stop lying. Any more unreliable and intermittent wind and solar as part of the grid and it *would* have gone down.
OK, I was imprecise: a large number of fossil fuel power stations ceased to operate.
WRONG AGAIN.. and DELIBERATELY LYING .. !
GAS boosted its output by 450% then because the democrat twerp in charge, of maintaining the grid had stupidly relied on UNRELIABLE supply sources due to cow-towing to the regressive greenie anti-CO2 anti-LIFE agenda,
Wind was a complete and utter FAILURE, just like it often is in the UK.
THANK GOODNESS FOR ALL THAT GAS, hey griff-idiot !!
Griff, ERCOT does not own any equipment. They only over see the grid and do not have any authority to force power producers to do anything. They can point out potential problems though.
They have, as I understand it, the ability to inspect power stations and check if they are winterised. So they are definitely responsible.
Yep, they WASTED SO MUCH money of UNRELIABLES,…
.. and those UNRELIABLES they did as UNRELIABLES often do, and FAILED TO DELIVER WHEN NEEDED…..
…..the LARGE INCREASE in GAS, 450%, to cover for the near complete ABSENCE OF WIND, could not be maintain.
There is only one thing to be blamed for the ERCOT debacle, and that was the BUILT-IN UNRELIABILITY of their grid.due to cow-towing o the greenie agenda .
Griff, the wind simply was not blowing during that two day period. Windmills, frozen or not, do not work when the wind isn’t blowing.
PROOF PLEASE
Texas Was Warned a Decade Ago Its Grid Was Unready for Cold – Bloomberg
And any number of other references online
And all the UNRELIABLE WIND TURBINES FROZE.
Delivering , as they always seem do when really needed...
……ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!
GAS ramped up 450%
Thank goodness for ALL THAT GAS,
Like in the UK a few days ago
Texas was infected with 7% wind power a decade ago. That’s why they had to (suddenly) worry about the cold.
As with all giffie’s links, it does not show what giffie claims.
A) Bloomberg is a very leftist biased despotic billionaire paying for sheer propaganda; not research.
B) giffie’s link is paywalled. As with all giffie’s links it does not show any evidence for giffie’s fatuous ignorant sophistry.
I live on the Texas coast where there are lots of machines N and S of Corpus Christi requiring it, but the wind died. Often does that in the winter. Nice, but cool, boating. We had been often told that sea level is going to swamp us and it would never freeze again. Plumbers are busy.
Only 1 in 4 nuclear plants went down. The percentage of gas and coal plants that went down was even smaller.
Gas plants were producing more power at the end of the cold snap then they did at the beginning, much, much more.
Had the federal government not required the pipeline pumps to be powered from the grid instead of from natural gas, now gas powered plants would have gone down.
Wind lost 98% of it’s pre-storm output. Solar was similar.
Those plants did not “go down”. They were taken offline to protect the expensive generating equipment as the grid’s electricity, thanks to totally unreliable wind and solar, went seriously substandard. Threatening everything trying to feed electricity into the grid and all homes and businesses using electricity.
It’s MIGHTY strange, Griff, that other states FAR to the north of Texas, facing even COLDER weather did not have that problem! But, then THEY don’t rely on WIND for 25% of their power, either! The WIND stopped blowing! Why can’t you understand that? So-called ‘renewables’ are extremely unreliable! No amount of laws OR subsidies will ever overcome that fact!
Really? And they didn’t have any natural gas or nuclear go offline, did they… which was the problem in Texas, wasn’t it?
WIND .. FAILED TO DELIVER
GAS RAMPED UP 450%,
….but because of the greenie agenda causing BUILT-IN UNRELIABILITY , that was not able to be maintained.
The cause of the ERCOT problems is TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY due to the wind infection on their grid
GET OVER IT, ignorant moron !!
Should be double vote points for that final summation sentence.
griff, “A 100% fossil fuel and nuclear Texas grid would still have gone down.”
No, it would not have done. A fully fossil fuel (and nuclear) grid don’t rely on wind-power. All the back-up systems would have remained active. As they did in the past before Texas stupidly installed wind power and assumed that it would reliably supply 10% of its power needs.
Texas has had freezes before. They never crashed power delivery until the big push into wind and solar.
Wikipedia lists major power outages since 1965. The first one in Texas occurred in 2011, again during a cold snap.
Texas had been installing wind in a big way in 2001, and by 2011 wind supplied 7.4% of electrical power in Texas.
More wind, less reliability.
Of course it didn’t winterise its equipment: the thermageddonists had been telling everyone that it was already the “end of snow”
Serves them right for listening to the CAGW brigade, eh?
In Australia ‘I Compare’ and ‘Compare the Market’ programmes and services have done much to annually steer consumers toward lower overall costs forb power and get them away from expensive, fraudulent Green Energy schemes, much to the disappointment of the Scamsters.
I note the SA Tesla battery has provably reduced consumer costs by making power cheaper at times of peak demand…
WRONG as always !!
The battery does NOT PRODUCE ANY ELECTRICITY SUPPLY
Battery does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except stabilise the huge fluctuations of UNRELIABLE wind and solar
It as costly boondoggle scam on the people of SA.
SA is currently using GAS and DIESEL GENERATORS
No battery, and basically ZERO wind.
Stop making yourself look like a TOTAL IDIOT, griff. !
They charge the battery using GAS and DIESEL and interconnects..
… and use it to attempt to control the erratic unreliability of wind and solar.
IF only they still had some solid reliable COAL instead…
…. they wouldn’t need such an expensive NON-SOURCE
If it’s provable, then please do so.
Please tell us how a battery array that hold less than 5 minutes worth of power is cutting the peak demands on power plants.
I read the other day that Yalloum Power Station, a 1.480 MW brown coal plant in Victoria is being shut down 4 years early and will be “replaced, in part, by a 4 hour 350 MW grid-scale battery. You have got to be kidding me, 4 hours of 350 MW replaces 1,480 MW of 24/7 power, even “partly”? Dream on!
You never ever get it right, isn’t it ?
Go back to school, learn how to use a pocket calculator and some EXCEL basics or what ever spreadsheet program you may use – or not.
What an incredibly stupid delusion!
Did you get that nonsense from bloomieberg too?
Musk’s battery has minutes of backup power… It’s cost hurts consumers for decades yet to come
Instead that massive battery is solely used an incredibly overpriced line conditioner.
The true costs of so-called Green Energy are buried in our power bills and taxes.
All that infrastructure we have to build in Texas to reach the wind turbines is shared pain among the consumers, including the ones who do not want green energy. The government money handed to power companies to help build the infrastructure – that’s our taxes. The huge subsidies paid for green energy – that’s our taxes as well. The increasing costs of electricity – yup, to pay for the green energy which IS NOT competive in any honest form of the word.
When good old Biden starts building all those recharge stations? That’s our taxes and our children’s and grandchildren’s taxes they are spending. Gasoline stations were built by private enterprise – not a socialistic government trying to dictate what we will drive.
Democrats are into central planning. They actually believe that government can make better decisions than can mere citizens.
Look at their reaction to the COVID pandemic. Despite the fact that health care is primarily a state responsibility, they are condemning Trump for not taking charge of the effort immediately.
2 major ironies.
Their second favorite molester, Cuomo was front and center in declaring that HE, not Trump was in charge in New York.
The same Democrats who are now declaring that Trump caused thousands of deaths by not doing more, sooner, were at the time declaring that Trump was over reacting and doing too much.
One of the provisions in the COVID bail out bill was billions for some states, However in the fine print it says that if a state takes this money, the state can’t cut taxes or spending.
There’s also a provision to pay off 120% of any loans that farmers had taken out prior to Jan 1, 2021. There is one condition, you can’t be a white farmer if you want any of that money.
I think we should take a page from the popular news and not state the names of mass murders in news and articles. In this light, the current governor of NY should just remain nameless.
There are geniuses in their own minds.
A study done on the Implementation Cost of “Unreliables” into the Vietnam grid shows JUST HOW EXPENSIVE they really are..
And several other costs were not actually considered.
Looks like they’re following IEA and EIA precedent where subsidy revenue for renewables are listed as costs against coal and CCGT.
US govt, state or federal, is not funding EV charge stations. Private enterprise is.
ROFLMAO, you really are a clueless little muppet, griff.
The swiss chef has 1000 times your intelligence. !
They won’t get built unless the government provides the funding in some way or other..
The ONLY way ‘renewables’ are competitive with other power sources is through MASSIVE, EXHORBITANT subsidies! Without that they have NO chance of EVER being competitive! Griff lives in a fantasy world where HIS ideas about everything are all that matter! Facts and TRUTH certainly don’t!
With, I presume, hefty subsidies.
Make that MASSIVE subsidies.
Yes, it will feel like getting disemboweled.
Especially as massive government contracts will squeeze copper supply causing copper’s costs to rocket higher.
Trouble is, when copper’s price skyrockets so do thefts of copper. Especially the very heavy gauge wires necessary to supply vehicle recharge stations.
Well, that took me 30 seconds to google…
Guide to federal funding and financing of EVs and charging stations
I would imagine that states and cities are providing even more funding.
The link doesn’t work, Andrew.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/downloads/guide-federal-funding-financing-and-technical-assistance-plug-electric
Cheers Krishna! I must have chopped some letters off the link…
Why isnt the BBC Running stories about the fraud being perpetuated on customers by changing conditions without their agreement?
A lot of greens seem to think the end justifies the means, they have a planet to save.
The only truly “green” form of power production is any source that produces CO2 as a by-product. Life on Earth’s greatest enemy is the planet’s hunger for sequestering CO2.
C’mon man. They’re on the right side of History.
And the UK, being this HUGE nation, will have a tremendous effect, right?
Most Progressives don’t have a problem with crime and corruption as long as it is done in the name of their religion! Only evil people are ever guilty in their eyes; you know, conservatives, libertarians, classical liberals or (gasp) Trump supporters!
It appears that 93% of Switzerland’s electricity comes from hydro and nuclear plants. Doesn’t leave much room for wind and solar. Couldn’t find a direct comparison of green vs non-green tariffs but if its more than a few % the Swiss are getting ripped off.
I live in Zürich, Switzerland and just did a quick check. As a private cunsumer I am _only_ offered what you call ‘green’ tarifs. This is not as bad as it sounds, sinnce most of swiss power is generated by (old) hydro which makes it moderately expansive and above all switchable. I may only choose to deselect so ar which will only shave about 5% off the bill. May be worth it, but it may not be worth a lot of consumers.
Prices are still reasonable and since distribution is almost half of the cost there is limited potential to economise on production as we simply have no coal and therefore no coal plants either.
I absolutely detest the bbc, they are the reason i stopped watching tv 6 or 7 yrs ago, all tv, because its all contaminated by marxist ideology now manifesting itself in numerous ways from ad’s containing more none white people than white per adverts break even tho they only make up 15% of the population etc to everything being leftist leaning, and women, women talking heads on every politics show, i have nothing against women i married 3, but women and their feeling and opinions on or about politic’s are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed it simply drove me up the wall, again simply cultural marxism in another guise, its ruined nearly everything that was good about the media and life in general for that matter, the disgusting bbc lead and the rest follow like the NPR’s they are.
I absolutely detest the bbc, they are the reason i stopped watching tv 6 or 7 yrs ago, all tv, because its all contaminated by marxist ideology now manifesting itself in numerous ways from ad’s containing more none white people than white per adverts break even tho they only make up 15% of the population etc to everything being leftist leaning, and women, women talking heads on every politics show, i have nothing against women i married 3, but women and their feeling and opinions on or about politic’s are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed it simply drove me up the wall, again simply cultural marxism in another guise, its ruined nearly everything that was good about the media and life in general for that matter, the disgusting bbc lead and the rest follow like the NPR’s they are.
I have nothing against none white people either, the over representation on screen is simply reverse racism against white actors and white presenters, and that being forced on me i don’t like one bit so the tv never gets switched on its just a dust collector.
Rant over, any way its greener not to have it on.
I haven’t had an actual television for 30 years. It’s all garbage, and this is reinforced every time I see someone’s television. Streaming services seem to at least allow you to watch what you want, but in a very limited way.
I don’t want to pay for multiple streaming services and a high internet connection, so I just buy dvds. That way I get to watch what I want, and I’m not at the whim of the services when they drop films or series. I’m hoping dvds will last me until I am no longer functioning, but I’ll probably have to buy a new format again (sigh).
Big plus, both of my kids learned to read for pleasure very early, like 4 years old. My brother’s kids are addicted to television and tablet games, the poor sods.
After living in China for 14 years I have learned pirating and there is no chance of getting caught (there are techniques). I don’t agree with the meme of pirating costs jobs and there won’t be any content produced. Absolute nonsense when you consider the obscene amounts of money these actors get. I gave up on pirated DVDs. Lots didn’t work properly.
What a wonderful human being you are. /sarc
Thanks. I feel I’m special.
Lots of people find imaginative ways to justify their desire to steal from others. It usually does involve a belief that the people you are stealing from have more money then they need.
But beyond that, you are aware that lots of people are employed in making movies, not just the big name actors. Most of those people don’t make any more money than you do.
If everybody pirated, then there would be no money to create movies. Simple economics. As long as only a small percentage of people are dishonest, the only cost is higher prices for those who don’t believe in stealing.
I guess going to the library puts publishers and writers out of business. Sci-hub puts scientific publishers out of business. Going to a mate’s place and watching a DVD that they rented is stealing. Sharing a Netflix or ‘whatever’ account is stealing. Buying a legal DVD from a different zone for $3 instead of $25 is stealing.
Production people for movies are paid the same whether its a blockbuster or a flop.
The internet is the largest library ever conceived, everything on it is mine to peruse.
Sharing is caring.
Book distribution now is also being ‘curated’ e.g. Amazon.
There’s a new streaming service called “tubi” owned by the Fox Network. I get it because my Sony DVD player has an app for it. Other players probably have it too- the newer ones. I think the app is on newer “smart” TVs. And you can watch it online too. It’s free but it has advertisments. I don’t mind them all that much because tubi has more and better selection of videos than Netflix- far more documentaries and hundreds of stand up comic shows- which I don’t care for but my wife likes them. It also has virtually old TV shows from the beginning of TV and thousands of very old movies which you won’t find on Netflix.
There’s no such thing as ‘reverse racism’. There’s just ‘racism.’
The BBC is blatantly racist and anti-British.
Exactly. Reverse racism would be no racism.
Check out Alex Belfield on YT. He feels the same way about the BBC.
Gary,
The amount of misogny you can put into a single sentence while claiming not to be
misognist is impressive, i.e. “ I have nothing against women i married 3, but women and their feeling and opinions on or about politic’s are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed it simply drove me up the wall”
OMG, your comments get more PATHETIC every day Izzy-a-twat.. !
Seems he met women that were very much like you in that
…. feeling and opinions on or about politics are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed…
Just like they are about everything else.
He was painting all women with a broad brush, Fred. Izaak is right on this one.
‘i have nothing against women i married 3′
made me smile even before my first coffee!
What a classy piece of work you are…
Mod can you please delete my above post as editing it doubled up the first paragraph thnks.
I absolutely detest the bbc, they are the reason i stopped watching tv 6 or 7 yrs ago, all tv, because its all contaminated by marxist ideology now manifesting itself in numerous ways from ad’s containing more none white people than white per adverts break even tho they only make up 15% of the population etc to everything being leftist leaning, and women, women talking heads on every politics show, i have nothing against women i married 3, but women and their feeling and opinions on or about politic’s are so disgustingly shallow and uninformed it simply drove me up the wall, again simply cultural marxism in another guise, its ruined nearly everything that was good about the media and life in general for that matter, the disgusting bbc lead and the rest follow like the NPR’s they are.
I have nothing against none white people either, the over representation on screen is simply reverse racism against white actors and white presenters, and that being forced on me i don’t like one bit so the tv never gets switched on its just a dust collector.
Rant over, any way its greener not to have it on.
“…it is very unlikely there is a way to fully escape the hideous cost of green energy in most jurisdictions. Even jurisdictions which offer regular or green energy tariffs, the “regular” energy price is almost certainly contaminated with at least some of the cost of installing and operating green energy systems.”
Remember the Greens understand middle class will not willing submit to its own demise. They need to break us.
I wish people would stop automatically using the term “green” just because the AGW true believers use it, when the only proven GREEN energy would be the type emitting the most CO2. There’s nothing green about solar, wind or even hydro.
If you want to be “green” use fossil fuels.
That’s a brilliant reminder and a bumper sticker I’d use.
Many thanks …
Feel free to make it into anything you like,
… badges, stickers, full page printout in back window of car. etc etc. 🙂
I’ve been saying for decades now, if everyone who believes in CAGW just paid for ‘green’ energy, and invested their pensions (probably the largest investment slice of the market) in ‘green’ stocks, then the problem would be solved.
Next you just need to remove government subsidies for said ‘green’ energy and companies, and we don’t have to support the idiots.
Step 3, buy earplugs to avoid being disturbed by said idiots wailing about massive costs and tanking pensions.
Liberalism is sorta self leveling, most of them remain childless and ignore the primary function of nature by aborting their off-spring in the womb, so like all the other evolutionary dead-ends they will eventually disappear.
Liberal logic 101 save nature by doing the opposite of nature and dying off.
Liberals reproduce by grooming conservatives’ kids into liberalism.
Quite why conservatives continue to send kids to schools which will do that to them is beyond me. The moment they stop doing that is the moment liberalism dies out.
That would just be plain mean! That’d be like like making the open borders crowd remove their front door locks, or take in an immigrant family; instead of making everyone else pay for their emotional altruism! Most of the members of GangGreen would go into shock if they ever saw the real costs associated with their idiotic policies; thus the need to censor information!
Abolition Man, your pen name brings to mind the Green Party’s preferred policy, here in the UK. Their past leader and now permanent state funded, Baroness Jenny Jones stood up in the House of Lords this week and said. She would introduce a curfew on all men, forcing them to stay home from 6.00 pm every day in order to safeguard women.
I post this, just to let everyone know the Gang Green disease is spreading. It is having devastating impacts on the body politic, all across the world.
If this woman cloned herself and filled the streets with the clones no man would dare go out at night!
See what I mean?
Is some cauldron somewhere missing a witch?
I bet there’s a broomstick in her parking space
The misogyny is rampant here today.
These are NOT women !
no mysogyny…
just utter contempt for their UGLY ANTI-HUMAN PERSONA
Only because you disagree with them. Try not to go overboard every single time, Fred.
See what I mean?
yeah 😀
You guys are not helping our side of the argument at all, by being so shallow.
I wonder how hard to she has to work to be that stupid? Or is it a natural talent?
Does liberalism make people stupid, or do only stupid people become liberals?
There was a time when liberals proclaimed that any form of stereotyping was evil.
Now days, stereotyping is pretty much the only thing liberals do.
Electricity prices June 2020, includes all components of the electricity bill such as the cost of power, distribution and taxes.
The Swiss pay $0.221 per kWh (€0.187)
The Brits pay $0.260 per kWh (€0.219)
Germans pay $0.378 per kWh (€0.319) most expensive electricity in the world.
Americans pay $0.149 per kWh (€0.126)
Average price worldwide $0.138 per kWh (€0.116)
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/
And I say again: the Germans choose to tax their electricity, and that is NOT entirely a tax from renewables.
Plus, as I’ve told you before, they use less electricity per household than the US and very many of them have their own solar or shares in a renewable energy scheme, which significantly reduces their costs.
More mindless yapping. Everybody KNOWS that what you say is almost universally a LIE. !
They use less because its SO DARN EXPENSIVE
Many families in energy poverty
But you DON’T CARE do you, .. despicable leftist prat.
German wind and solar WOULD NOT EXIST without government taxes and funding and mandates
Wind is basically useless, below 20% of nameplate 60% of the time
WHO PAYS for the other 80% that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !
Aren’t the Germans building new HELE fossil fuel plants now because their grandiose renewable energy program has failed miserably ,losing them billions of euros?
The renewable surcharge is without doubt hiking up end costs, and nobody said it was the entire reason Mr strawman.
In 2019, this surcharge made up 21 percent of the final power price for German households.
Plus…
Electricity tax or “ecological tax” = 7 percent, because?… well why not?
Germans are so guilt ridden they’ll pay anything to be seen as the “goodies”, except that Merkel’s kneejerk reaction to Fukushima has put them all in deep doodoo.
Using less electricity than most Americans is done by almost everybody on the planet, that’s not a great reference.
What about the Brit’s? ~ 4,496 kWh per person per year.
…and the Swiss? ~ 6,572 kWh per person per year
Germans? ~ 6,306 kWh per person per year.
As usual you’re talking out of your Arschloch.
Don’t be so daft Griff. German’s pay such high prices precisely because of their suicidal “energiewende” silliness
And their green mania has caused their energy prices to rise over the years.
In griff’s world, anything a politician does, is by definition the will of the people and may not be questioned.
Unless of course the politician does something griff disagrees with, in which case the people of the world demand that the politician be punished.
Did anyone notice since the demise of Richard Black, the BBC don’t allow comments on environmental issues?
‘I see the power is off again’ is something you hear from American, fossil fuel powered households, not from grids in Europe with a high reliability and high level of renewables…
Even the “eco companies” who are making fast cash out of gullible people (such as Griff) are having to admit that European grid reliability is only possible because of fossil fuel back up:
They’ve also had to admit that windmills and rainbow catchers aren’t bringing energy costs down. You’ve been had Griff.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/why-arent-lower-renewable-costs-cutting-european-energy-market-prices
1) To the extent that those grids that have high penetration of renewables haven’t collapsed, it’s because of their interties to those grids that haven’t fallen for that foolishness.
2) The German and UK grids have come periously close to complete collapse several times this past winter.
3) As the percentage of renewables have increased, all grids become more expensive and less stable.
UK is on the edge.
REGULARLY has to rely on MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF GAS and interconnects to NUCLEAR
WIND is known to regularly FAIL TO PRODUCE, like it did for several days last week
THANK GOODNESS FOR FOSSIL FUEL GAS. !
.
You really are a MORONICALLY IGNORANT HYPOCRITE, griff.
“Exit from security of supply
The exit from coal-fired power plants is taking shape, as are the associated problems. On January 1, 2021, eleven hard coal-fired power plants in Germany with a total capacity of 4700 megawatts were shut down and the operators paid € 317 million for the premature shutdown. As Daniel Wetzel reported in “Die Welt” , the most powerful German hard coal-fired power station, Heyden, was shut down on January 1, 2021 – five years before the planned shutdown. At the request of the network operator Tennet, the system had to be restarted six times since the turn of the year. The reasons for this were, on the one hand, disruptions in the European network (on January 8th and February 25th) and dark lulls in the course of January and February.
Two other plants that were shut down on January 1st must remain in operation for an indefinite period of time: The network operator Amprion applied to the Federal Network Agency to classify STEAG’s Walsum 9 power plant and RWE’s Hamm Westfalen E power plant as “systemically relevant” and the To oblige owners to continue operating as reserve power plants. The lack of electricity will become evident in the dark doldrums of next winter when another 3 nuclear power plants (Brokdorf, Grundremmingen, Grohnde) are to be shut down.
Source
griff, any comments ?
And of course pure BS: “Petroleum and other fuels are the main sources of energy in Switzerland (50.6%), followed by electricity (25%), gas (13.5%) and wood (4.4%).
Electricity is mainly generated by hydropower (59.9%), nuclear power (33.5%) and conventional thermal power plants (2.3%, non-renewable).”
https://www.eda.admin.ch/aboutswitzerland/en/home/wirtschaft/energie/energie—fakten-und-zahlen.html#:~:text=Petroleum%20and%20other%20fuels%20are,%25%2C%20non%2Drenewable).
Do green energy users have their power turned off when the wind doesn’t blow?
If not, they should.
“If you force people to do things they’re more likely to accept it”? That’s really the “reasoning” here?
Liberals are at their core, totalitarians. They believe in doing whatever it takes to force other people to live up to the standards that most liberals ignore in their own lives.
Energy companies very often advertise “100% Green Energy” on their websites. We were told by none other than Martin Lewis this claim is meaningless but does not break advertising standards legislation.
Despite what some on here are saying, these energy companies are frequently the cheapest. But it isn’t because they are buying 100% green energy. My own gas supplier advertises this but its carbon emissions are slightly above average. So go figure that one.
The electric mix in Switzerland is about 60 % water and 40 % nuclear (up to 60% in January, from France) plus some alterNAIVE sources.
Switzerland has NO fossil fuel based electricity production.
So the British state propaganda machine lies as usual.
A little correction:
2.8 % are probabely from combined cycle power plants.
Source:
https://www.kernenergie.ch/de/schweizer-strommix-_content—1–1069.html
(A pro nuclear energy dite)
As far as green tariffs go, how many customers or potential customers actually believe that signing up with a ‘Green Energy Provider’ will reduce CO2 emissions?
Because it is simply not true, and the statement these companies typically make in saying they sell only 100% green energy is, at best, a distortion of the truth. They may only buy from renewable sources or buy renewable credits but can’t control what power goes to the consumer. And it makes no difference whatsoever to CO2 emissons.
Is it fraudulent to claim they only sell ‘green energy’, I think so but I’m not a lawyer?