‘Fringe’ or Reasonable? Bastardi on the Firing Line

Reposted from MasterResource

By Robert Bradley Jr. — March 1, 2021

“To think you are smart enough to control nature and you must force people … to obey? That is the same kind of despotic behavior we have seen out of the worst tyrants.”

– Joe Bastardi (quoted below)

A recent E&E News article, “Fringe weatherman advised Abbott before deadly Texas storm” (February 25, 2021), is the latest marginalization job on a “climate science critic.” Author Scott Walderman begins his piece as follows:

Days before a historic snowstorm crippled his home state, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) sought advice from an unusual source: Joe Bastardi, the go-to weather forecaster of Fox News host Sean Hannity.

The hit piece (against Bastardi, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, and Abbott) goes downhill from there with ad hominem.

Here are the Bastardi quotations in Walderman’s piece:

By Bastardi’s telling, the conversation with Abbott wasn’t groundbreaking or controversial. “I said this is a winter version of a Category 5 hurricane,” Bastardi told E&E News.

Bastardi has claimed that carbon dioxide is not the “control knob” for the atmosphere. He has said that teaching children about climate science is “indoctrinating” them. He has suggested that burning more fossil fuels will benefit the planet by increasing carbon dioxide levels.

On Tuesday, Bastardi said he wants to emphasize to Cruz and Abbott in future conversations that the electrical grid should not be so reliant on renewable energy…. “Wind and solar power are supplements to the main diet,” he said.

In a post for the Heartland Institute, the climate denial advocacy group where Bastardi is a senior fellow, he wrote last week that people using extreme weather conditions to justify climate action “reveals a certain kind of narcissism.”

“To think you are smart enough to control nature and you must force people … to obey?” he wrote. “That is the same kind of despotic behavior we have seen out of the worst tyrants.”

Scott Walderman ends his piece by quoting Andrew Rosenberg, Director, Center for Science and Democracy at the Union of Concerned Scientists:

“When these guys are talking to Bastardi,” Rosenberg said, “they’re trying to come up with maybe aliens did it or it’s sunspots.”

At this point in the not-so-grand debate, it’s all about sound bites and PR, with no quarter given to any person or view that challenges the climate orthodoxy of alarmism/forced energy transformation.

Mainstream Climate Misdirection

An important takeaway from the Great Texas Blackout is that weathermen and weatherwomen are the experts, not climate scientists whose warmer-winter predictions proved to be a great distraction.

It was supposed to be a warm 2020/2021 winter Texas-way, said the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (U.S. Winter Outlook: Cooler North, warmer South with ongoing La Nina).

And winters in general are supposed to be warmer with less extreme cold events, according to climate models. As flagged by Bjorn Lomborg, all climate models predict fewer cold days and cold nights. He links to “Future extreme climate changes linked to global warming intensity” [Science Bulletin (December 30, 2017), where the authors state:

Based on the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5 (CMIP5) daily dataset … under the Representative Concentration Pathways 8.5 (RCP8.5) scenario … [c]old extremes decreaseand warm extremes increase in a warmer world, and cold extremes tend to be more sensitive to global warming than the warm ones.

But, but … it’s global weirding, John Kerry and the MSM now insist, a catch-all phrase when global warming predictions result in anomalies. Lomborg’s tweet deserves the last word:

How is this science? Global warming is rebranded “global weirding.” CBS & Kerry wants you to believe climate change also leads to *colder* temperatures. Of course, convenient to blame everything on climate But wrong.

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ResourceGuy
March 1, 2021 2:04 pm

The great climate IQ test continues and as an added bonus you get a free look at biased media conduct.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 1, 2021 2:11 pm

I never thought human IQ may be lower 50. But these climate guys top even that limit.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 1, 2021 2:37 pm

This is from material that is about fifty years old that I have added to!

IQ 51-75 Moron
IQ 26-50 Imbecile
IQ 0-25 Idiot
IQ less than zero: climate activist or urinalist

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 1, 2021 4:47 pm

That last one, “IQ less than zero,” describes that guy Walderman pretty well.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Larry in Texas
March 1, 2021 6:03 pm

Walderman probably had a “Less than zero” experience in his youth.
Google the movie of that name.

paul courtney
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
March 2, 2021 12:55 pm

Mr. O’bryan: I recall the final scene of that film, a car driving past windmills in the ’80s. Those windmills did so well, we were able to go carbon zero in the eighties, no the nineties, no in…..well, eventually.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  Larry in Texas
March 1, 2021 6:40 pm

C’mon, give the guy a break. It is obvious he has been brainwashed and never taught anything about critical thinking, just simple rote repetition of what the teacher says.

yirgach
Reply to  Jim Gorman
March 1, 2021 7:30 pm

Besides what he was taught, what he actually learned was to toe the the party line and report as told. Like that house, 2 car garage and the kids college fund, Scott? Then you better report it as we see it or else, got that?

ATheoK
Reply to  Jim Gorman
March 2, 2021 6:02 pm

He is paid to not know and to not agree with skeptics.

No matter how accurate skeptic forecasts are or how inaccurate climate believer forecasts/predictions are.

TonyG
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 2, 2021 10:02 am

How to calculate collective IQ:

Average IQ of group / number of people in the group.

If the group consists of politicians, then subtract the total number of people in the group.

Thus, assuming an average IQ of 100, the collective IQ of congress = (100 / 535) – 535 = -534.8

Seems about right.

OK S.
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 1, 2021 4:21 pm
John Tillman
Reply to  OK S.
March 1, 2021 4:43 pm

True. The trend in research into the evolution of language keeps moving it back beyond anatomically modern humans, ie from ~200 Ka to shockingly early possibilities, to include H. heidelbergensis, ie if not 700 Ka, then perhaps 500 Ka. But surely the Neanderthal-Denisovan level of development before 300 Ka.

John Tillman
Reply to  John Tillman
March 1, 2021 5:15 pm

But one of many recent papers on the topic:

Evolution of speech and evolution of language
https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/s13423-016-1130-6

Distinguishing between speech and language.

Reply to  John Tillman
March 2, 2021 7:43 am

John
You forgot Australopithecus climatedoomicus knuckledraggensis
e.g. Scott Walderman
(Occasionally a sub-species gets a third name)

John Tillman
Reply to  OK S.
March 1, 2021 5:10 pm

A possible transition period between 600 and 100 Ka:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/166520v1.full.pdf

It appears that speech inability in other ape species is more a matter of software in brain than the previously suggested anatomical constraints. Some bird species can talk because of the song and screeching genes involved in their reptilian brain development, lacking the mammalian neocortex. Bird brains are miracles of miniaturization.

Reply to  John Tillman
March 2, 2021 1:52 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOSsCokOJW0

Beos are perfect in imitation, talking and laughing, hilarious.

John Tillman
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 2, 2021 10:18 am

Mynas belong to the starling family, Sturnidae, in which mimcry is common.

Dunno how far back in bird history mimicing could go, but probably not to the non-avian dinosaurs. Parrots might already have evolved before the K/P extinction, although the oldest definitely parrot fossil is from the Eocene.

Still, it’s not outside the realm of possibility to imagine a talking troodont.

Reply to  John Tillman
March 2, 2021 1:53 am

Tim Spence
Reply to  John Tillman
March 2, 2021 2:33 am

The green Vervet baboons appear to have a word for snake, they make a retching sound like ‘ak-ak’ and other species of monkey understand but are unable to reproduce the same sound.

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John Tillman
Reply to  Tim Spence
March 2, 2021 9:59 am

Many species seem to have alarm sounds for specific threats, such as from above or below.

Derge
Reply to  John Tillman
March 4, 2021 10:00 pm

https://www.prairiedoghoogland.com/vocalizations

Above, below, to the right, it is human? is it a hawk?

Reply to  OK S.
March 2, 2021 1:39 am

Neanderthals inhuman ? Vue their classification, no.

Leonard
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 1, 2021 10:01 pm

I do not think it has to do with IQ. If you follow the money (from the public trough) you will find that the major feeder of climate change, the next (or perhaps the first) is the evil of totalitarians, and finally the specialty of the climate change experts.

Newminster
March 1, 2021 2:08 pm

It’s been said a dozen times, here and elsewhere — you couldn’t make it up.

But they do; they do!! “Fringe” weatherman is new, though.

Scissor
Reply to  Newminster
March 1, 2021 4:59 pm

Here’s a simple quiz for determining whether someone believes in “fringe” science.

Are there two genders or more than 50?

John Tillman
Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2021 6:29 pm

Gender is a grammatical term. Most Indo-European languages, including English vestigially, have three genders, ie feminine, masculine and neuter. These do not correspond directly to biological sex. For instance “girl” in German is neuter, ie “das Maedchen”.

The metastazing barbarism of the singular plural “they” and “their” in contemporary English is an abomination. English has a vestigial singular third person neuter pronoun, “it” and “its”. It also has the collective pronouns “he” and “his”, applied to mixed sex groups, which just happens to be the same as the masculine pronouns.

Itdoesn't add up...
Reply to  John Tillman
March 1, 2021 7:02 pm

I think they are just usurping the royal “we”.

John Tillman
Reply to  Itdoesn't add up...
March 1, 2021 8:59 pm

Except that there never was a royal “they”.

fred250
Reply to  Itdoesn't add up...
March 1, 2021 9:15 pm

or is that the royal wee !

Reply to  John Tillman
March 2, 2021 7:09 am

For instance “girl” in German is neuter, ie “das Maedchen”.
That’s right in so far, as it’s talked about a not adult girl.
In conrast the German “Junge” = boy is masculine.
It’s a relic of much earlier times, as girls didn’t have any significance or importance and parents had to pay a dowry when marrying

Derge
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 4, 2021 10:02 pm

“It’s a relic of much earlier times, as girls didn’t have any significance or importance and parents had to pay a dowry when marrying”

Ummm, what?

Reply to  John Tillman
March 2, 2021 7:11 am

It also has the collective pronouns “he” and “his”, applied to mixed sex groups, which just happens to be the same as the masculine pronouns.

French-like

JamesD
March 1, 2021 2:13 pm

Considering the near record lows, doesn’t seem like CO2 does much of anything.

Joe Wagner
Reply to  JamesD
March 1, 2021 2:49 pm

Oh, you’re just not looking at it the right way!

“Too much heat makes things cooler”- to paraphrase ‘The Day After Tomorrow’

That movie is SO funny! I love watching it for the laughs!

Reply to  Joe Wagner
March 1, 2021 2:57 pm

And the deplorable professor from Potsdam love it too, so much, he even use the official PIK homepage to write about:

THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW – some comments on the movie

IMHO since than, he started his “AMOC is slowing” obsession

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Joe Wagner
March 1, 2021 4:14 pm

I like the film where in the ending they blow up some villain’s base in the Arctic on the ice. And you then see images of ice blocks …. sinking! Unfortunately I forget the name, but I’m sure it was a Climate Apocalypse one.

Scissor
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
March 1, 2021 4:55 pm

Al Gore, science advisor.

Glenn
Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2021 5:54 pm

Jane Fonda is a global warming scientist.
The UN listens to children.
Open up the pearly gates!

David
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
March 1, 2021 6:12 pm

That was one of the G.I. Joe films. I’m sorry to say I saw it.

MarkW
Reply to  David
March 2, 2021 8:59 am

Just so long as you can’t name all of the “My Little Pony” ponies.

Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  JamesD
March 1, 2021 6:12 pm

James: Considering the near record lows, it seems like CO2 can do anything and everything.

markl
March 1, 2021 2:15 pm

When you control the media you control the narrative.

Reply to  markl
March 1, 2021 8:19 pm

My friends Joe Bastardi and Joe D’Aleo are the two principal meteorologists at Weatherbell, and probably are the top weather forecasters on the planet.
 
Here is a story about how very good they are:
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/05/climate-scientist-air-pollution-cleanup-may-be-major-driver-of-global-warming/#comment-2365792
 
[excerpt]
 
One of my friends and co-authors is Joe d’Aleo, an American Weather Forecaster who was the Founding Chief Meteorologist for the Weather Channel.
 
The National Weather Service (NWS) of the USA forecast a warm winter for 2014-15 and Joe told me in October 2014 that the NWS forecast was seriously incorrect, and that the next winter would be particularly cold and snowy, especially in the populous Northeast. This was the second consecutive year that the NWS has made a highly incorrect (excessively warm) Winter forecast, in Joe’s opinion – and he and his colleagues at WeatherBell have an outstanding track record of accurate forecasts.
 
Joe and I had been working together on a paper on Excess Winter Mortality, and I suggested to Joe that this false “warm winter” NWS forecast was dangerous, especially if the country and its people were unprepared. Joe agreed, but did not know how to tackle the problem.
 
I proposed an approach, and we prepared a presentation for my friend at the US Energy Information Administration (EIA). At the EIA’s request, Joe then prepared his own Winter Forecast by month and by region, and the EIA re-ran their Winter Energy Demand calculations. Using Joe’s forecast, the EIA projected 11% more total winter energy required for the entire USA than the “warm” NWS forecast had projected. That is an awful lot of energy – mostly oil, natural gas and coal.
 
After that brutally cold and snowy winter, a back-analysis showed that the actual winter energy used was 10% more than the projection using the NWS weather forecast, and just 1% less than that using Joe’s forecast.
 

TonyG
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
March 2, 2021 10:06 am

Bastardi isn’t with Accuweather anymore? That’s the main reason I got that app. (“related post” at top says “Accuweather’s Bastardi…” but it’s pretty old)

Reply to  TonyG
March 2, 2021 7:54 pm

WeatherBELL Analytics
https://www.weatherbell.com/

Joe Bastardi
Chief Forecaster

Joe D’Aleo
Chief Forecaster

JamesD
March 1, 2021 2:15 pm

Luckily Abbott listened to Bastardi instead of the Global Cooling Deniers. He got some enviro exemptions in place beforehand.

chuckblandford
Reply to  JamesD
March 1, 2021 4:57 pm

Unfortunately he did not listen soon enough. About 20 years ago was too late.

Reply to  JamesD
March 2, 2021 11:36 am

Global Cooling Deniers

thank you for that!

Scissor
March 1, 2021 2:19 pm

Never heard of E&E News, but based on this critique, it sounds like propaganda from a fringe communist news organization.

Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2021 2:33 pm

I just looked it up. See following comment.

Scissor
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 1, 2021 3:30 pm

I rest my case.

March 1, 2021 2:23 pm

Had to so a little checking. E&E News focuses on energy and environment, a subunit of Politico catering to green new deal types like the dishonest NRDC (specifically singled out as a subscriber in their about section, and subject of my first post here back in 2011). So naturally a political ‘warmunist’ hatchet job on top weatherman Joe Bastardi.

Master Resource is similar to WUWT, but focused solely on energy. One of its contributors is Paul Dreisen of CFACT, familiar to many here. Bradley, the author of this post was for many years at Enron, has published a 1000 page book on energy markets, and is an adjunct energy scholar at CATO. Unsurprising that he would call out the glaring bias in E&E News.

Another example of warmunist name calling. Warmunism was a term derived in an essay in Blowing Smoke, based on Vaclav Klaus 2007 book
‘Blue Planet in Green Chains’. He grew up behind the iron curtain, and became president of Czechoslovakia after it was freed from communist rule. His book makes a number of strong analogies.

robert Bradley
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 1, 2021 7:33 pm

As of this month, I am no longer an adjunct scholar at Cato. They have terminated their climate program under Pat Michaels and have not continued their energy focus. Cato has gone a bit or more woke on climate/energy either with some of their scholars supporting a carbon tax, or the organization going silent when they should be in the fight. The good news: I am now a Senior Fellow at AIER, my first post being here (https://www.aier.org/staffs/robert-l-bradley-jr/

Reply to  robert Bradley
March 1, 2021 7:46 pm

Please find a second home here. You will be welcomed.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 1, 2021 8:38 pm

“Another example of warmunist name calling.”
You just can’t make it up.

fred250
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 1, 2021 9:18 pm

“can’t make it up.”

.

And yet is ALL YOU DO, Nick !!

Graemethecat
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 1, 2021 11:42 pm

You just can’t make it up – because it’s true.

MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 2, 2021 9:00 am

The vast majority of alarmists are also far left progressives.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 2, 2021 8:10 am

Why is it that I continue to hear from former residents of communist countries that the green movement is no different in its totalitarian bent?

John Tillman
March 1, 2021 2:25 pm

Joe has a good weather forecasting record. Corporations wouldn’t pay him if he weren’t right more often than NOAA.

Are his views on man-made global warming “fringe”? Based upon surveys of American Meteorological Society members, no. The AMS is split on whether man-made global warming exists and to what extent it’s dangerous.

From 2014:

https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/95/7/bams-d-13-00091.1.xml

From 2016:

http://blog.ametsoc.org/news/new-survey-shows-ams-members-positions-on-climate-change/

For starters, warming observed since the 1977 PDO flip isn’t distributed globally. There has been no warming at the South Pole since continuous record keeping began there in 1958. Yet that is where the hypothesis of catastrophic man-made CO2 warming would predict the GHG effect should be greatest, given such dry air.

According to the largely made up Arctic “data”, the north polar region has warmed the most, which might even be the case. The northern temperate zone has allegedly warmed the next most, the tropics perhaps least (as would make sense) and the southern temperate zone maybe a bit more, but less than the Northern Hemisphere. The SH has almost a third more oceanic surface. Sea surface temperature “data” are mainly pretend as well. Land surface station “data” have been adjusted beyond all recognition, so are effectively useless.

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John Tillman
Reply to  John Tillman
March 1, 2021 3:47 pm

IMO scientific opposition to CACCA doesn’t qualify for any definition of “fringe theory”:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_theory

Even if only a third of meteorologists don’t consider global warming since 1977 dangerous, whether man-made or not (most likely very little, the rest natural), hard to regard that as fringe. But I suspect the share is higher than that, ie half or more. Those in government and academe, and many in the private sector, are under tremendous pressure to kowtow to the supposed consensus.

Scissor
Reply to  John Tillman
March 1, 2021 4:53 pm

Nice succinct summary!

John Tillman
Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2021 6:30 pm

Glad you liked it. I cut it short. Could have gone on at the opposite of succinct, as is my wont.

Paul Johnson
Reply to  John Tillman
March 1, 2021 9:13 pm

As a meteorologist, Joe earns his money by making correct forecasts. His detractors are climate scientists who get grant money whether their forecasts are right or wrong.

TonyG
Reply to  John Tillman
March 2, 2021 10:09 am

Where can we lowly commoners take advantage of his forecasting?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TonyG
March 2, 2021 12:39 pm

weatherbell.com

I think he has a free side, and a subscriber side to his website.

TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 2, 2021 12:51 pm

Unfortunately, all I see is “Commercial” and “Premium”, both of which are way beyond what I’m looking for. Possibly I’m simply not seeing it, but – I’m not seeing it.

Abolition Man
March 1, 2021 2:33 pm

Thanks, Charles!
I sure hope they stick with “global wierding;” that should provide so many more opportunities to skewer the alarmist idiots with their own stupidity! Of course, the lame stream urinalists are going to try and give them a run for the money in the stupid sweepstakes!
Comedians and late night TV hosts have no idea how much material they are missing out on!

Sara
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 1, 2021 3:08 pm

I said they were trying to turn it into a religion, and that ‘weirding” usage supports my opinion.

czechlist
Reply to  Sara
March 1, 2021 4:55 pm

weirding? Have the Atreides arrived and the rains will begin?
Perhaps the pope is correct and we will be destroyed in another flood! What kind of “Leader” doesn’t bother to read his founding document?

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 1, 2021 3:29 pm

Therein lies the problem. The late night TV hosts and comedians should be positively derisive about the “black is white, except when it’s not” claims of the Climate Nazis, but they’re mostly part of the Useful Idiot True Believers.

Redge
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
March 1, 2021 11:20 pm

It may be they would prefer to keep their lucrative contracts with the television companies then piss against the wind.

MarkW
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
March 2, 2021 9:02 am

Most of the late night comics would lose their jobs if they dared to question any progressive belief.

John Tillman
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 1, 2021 3:29 pm

The alarmist story to which they’re sticking is that warm air over Greenland drove cold air down into Texas. Most of February 2021 in Greenland was colder than usual, with lows below or average on 22 of 28 days. It did get to average or above between the 13th to 16th at Nuuk, by max of five to eight degrees Celsius. The warmest day was the 15th, with high of 1 C and low of -2 C. Averages are high of -4 C and low of -10.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/gl/nuuk/186497/february-weather/186497

The big chill began in TX on the 16th, but lasted until the 27th. February averages for Dallas are high of 16 C and low of 5 C.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/dallas/75202/february-weather/351194

So there was a partial overlap, with the “warm” air over Greenland before the historic Blue Norther in TX. But colder than normal air rapidly returned to Greenland, while it lingered in suffering Texas. So the story is hard to maintain.

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Gerald Machnee
Reply to  John Tillman
March 1, 2021 3:56 pm

Warm air cannot drive cold air southward as cold air is more dense than warm air. Cold air is the pushy one as in Cold Front.

John Tillman
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
March 1, 2021 4:31 pm

True. As in winter blocking highs the cold air of which persists for so long. Record cold is associated with these masses, as in the world historically important winter of 1708-09:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Frost_of_1709

pochas94
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
March 1, 2021 5:21 pm

Careful. I remember Bastardi saying that a sudden stratospheric warming triggered the invasion of cold air. You can’t ignore what that guy says.

chickenhawk
Reply to  pochas94
March 1, 2021 6:58 pm

The stratospheric warming was centered over the N. Pole and that event triggered the cold air in the troposphere to move south into CONUS.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  pochas94
March 2, 2021 12:45 pm

What triggered the stratospheric warming?

Vuk says a volcanic eruption happened at just about the right time and the right place to discombobulate the polar jet stream and cause this cold air excursion to the south.

We need more study.

BobM
Reply to  John Tillman
March 1, 2021 8:25 pm

“The alarmist story to which they’re sticking is that warm air over Greenland drove cold air down into Texas. Most of February 2021 in Greenland was colder than usual, with lows below or average on 22 of 28 days. It did get to average or above between the 13th to 16th at Nuuk, by max of five to eight degrees Celsius. The warmest day was the 15th, with high of 1 C and low of -2 C. Averages are high of -4 C and low of -10.”

But that is exactly how the misinformation gets created, because when graphics are shown, Greenland looked RED, for VERY WARM, as the ANOMALY was warmer, not that it was really, actually warm, or even warmer than it got in Texas which it didn’t. I know folks that actually thought climate change was responsible for the warm weather in Greenland displacing the cold Greenland weather, which went to Texas. One even said “but Greenland is 5 degrees warmer than normal this winter”, without understanding that still means below zero. Anomalies and weather graphics are often a cause of vast misunderstandings of the climate. Misinformation at work.

glen ferrier
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 2, 2021 12:13 am

George knew… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4

Cheers,

Speed

commieBob
March 1, 2021 2:38 pm

The election of President Trump was a very mild rebuke to the left. They learned nothing.

I hope The Donald runs again in 2024 and wins. Otherwise I’m thinking of installing a fallout shelter.

rah
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2021 3:13 pm

Run or not, the movement that Trump has grown is not going away, And that is what scares the hell out of the leftists and their RINO enablers. The battle lines are drawn and there is no neutral or middle ground anymore.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  rah
March 1, 2021 6:55 pm

The left have made a martyr of Trump. Martyrs never die.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2021 3:27 pm

Exactly what lesson do you think they should learn given that Clinton won the popular
vote by over two million votes? Democrats have won the popular vote in
7 out of the last 8 presidental election. Surely this should suggest that the US as a whole leans left and that the only way for Republicans to win is through the increasingly unrepresentative electoral college.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 3:50 pm

You apparently do not know the Constitution or its genesis history. The electoral College was specifically designed so that then States like NY and Virginia could not overwhelm small states like Vermont, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island. Even in 1789, the founders recognized the danger of popular votes for national positions like President that can effect all states equally.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 1, 2021 4:09 pm

Rud,
Ironically enough the electoral college was designed specifically to stop popularist candidates like Trump from being elected since it was thought that the electors would be sure to vote for the elitist choice (i.e. Clinton)
and they never thought that the common voter could be trusted to vote
properly.

However since then most people and probably most Americans actually believe in democracy and the principle that all votes should be counted equally. And with that in mind the electoral college is profoundly undemocratic since it takes almost 700 000 votes to get an electoral college vote in California while only about 150 000 votes to get one in Wyoming. Plus can you explain why it is fair that none of the nearly 3 millions US citizens in Puerto Rico get to vote, while US citizens living overseas can vote in US elections.

All of the above is legal and constitutional but it is profoundly undemocratic since it violates the fundamental principle that all votes should count equally.
There is a similar but worse issue in the senate where almost 50% of the
US’s population live in just 9 states and so only get 18% of the vote.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 4:25 pm

You are entitled to your opinion, but not the facts of con law I was taught at Harvard Law School, and reiterated in the Federalist Papers arguing for adoption of the then as yet unratified Constitution. See Article 7.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 1, 2021 4:37 pm

Rud,
I am not disputing the facts of constitutional law. My issue is whether or not the Electoral College can be considered democratic. Can demonstrate how depriving 3 million US citizens living in Puerto Rico for example of a right to vote for president solely on the basis of where they live is democratic? Or come up with a definition of democracy that allows that to happen?

Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 4:54 pm

Puerto Rico is a territory. Only states (plus DC by A23) vote in the Electoral College. If Puerto Rico wants that privilege, let them apply for statehood. It is their call, not yours or mine. They rather seem to enjoy their present in between status.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 1, 2021 6:35 pm

Rud,
If Puerto Rico doesn’t strike you as unfair how about the difference between drug laws in various states? Smoking cannabis is legal on most of the west coast but in some states it counts as a felony that can bar you from voting for life? Why should something as fundamental as the right to vote depend on your postcode?

Again to be clear this is legal and I am not disputing it. The issue is whether or not it is democratic and fair.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 12:58 pm

Consider each State a mini-United States.

In the world, the United States does some things differently from other countries and things work out just fine.

In the United States, some States do things differently from other States and things work out just fine.

States learn from other States.

The United States is a Grand Experiment in Democracy, with 50 different laboratories to work in.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 4:14 pm

So why can’t Mali vote?!?

It’s so unfair!!

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 4:59 pm

The Founding Fathers NEVER considered the constitutional government they created to be a “democracy.” As history has shown us in several places around the world, “democracy” carried its own traps, in places like Weimar Germany, Venezuela, and others. To criticize the Electoral College as “undemocratic” begs the question, and is quite anti-historical.

The Electoral College accomplished one major thing: to prevent states like California and New York (and perhaps any other states to which Californians or New Yorkers might move in order to thwart the purpose of the College) from controlling national policy to the exclusion of the smaller or mid-sized states.

Reply to  Larry in Texas
March 2, 2021 11:53 am

Thank you Larry–you said what I wanted to. Issac, do your really support a “pure” democracy? My understanding of history is that democracy always fails.

“One would think that democracy can go either way, left, right, liberal, socialist or conservative. But democracy is essentially collectivist. It is the idea that basically everything can be (and increasingly is) decided collectively, and that the outcome of that process is binding on every individual, including those who were against it.
So in a democracy a person is subservient to the wishes or alleged needs of the collective, just as with communism and fascism. ”
and
“In a democracy everyone can try to live at other people’s expense. People generally vote to put their personal wishes on the collective tab. Politicians understand this well. Explicitly or implicitly they say “Vote for me, and I will take away other people’s money and rights in your favour.”
This redistribution is not necessarily from the rich to the poor, it can be the reverse too, as we saw with the bank bailouts. But it’s generally from the powerless, productive and responsible people to the powerful, unproductive or irresponsible.” http://beyonddemocracy.net/10-reasons-why-democracy-fails.php

Please Issac, understand what history really tells us..not the “give me, give me give me” irresponsibility of pure democracy. I want to protect the rights of the majority and the minority and the fringe.

Scissor
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 5:04 pm

The U.S. is a republic.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2021 8:13 pm

How long do you think it will be before the wording of the “Pledge of Allegiance” is ‘adjusted’ – or banned outright?

George Daddis
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 5:04 pm

Izaak, do some research.
Read the discussions during the Constitutional Convention.
Read the Federalist Papers.
The Founders considered and REJECTED Democracy as the form of government for the United States.
Also please ponder the second word in the name of our country (in bold).

Izaak Walton
Reply to  George Daddis
March 1, 2021 5:24 pm

George,
The founders might have rejected democracy but 200 years later the overwhelming majority of people are in favour of it. And it has been grafted onto the US constitution in a somewhat successful manner that still has some quirks such as allowing candidates to become president without winning the popular vote.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 6:56 pm

What you mean is that a majority of people are tired of not being able to tell the minority how to live. Your rhetoric shows that you are talking about control, not democracy. Get over it. We have a representative government designed to keep the many from controlling the minority.

If you were really into minority rights, then you would be agreeing that our present system is the best.

As to the States doing their own thing. That also is one of the things that the Founding Fathers expected. They did not want want a central government dominating the States. You are free to move around and go to a State that has the freedoms you would like. We are not under a dictatorship where you need papers and government permission to live where you want.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 7:18 pm

… overwhelming majority of people are in favour of it.

Even if that is true, to place any polls on the question in context, the people being asked to vote in a poll should be asked to define a democracy and a republic before their response can be given any credence.

John Tillman
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 8:16 pm

Americans spell it as “favor”.

The USA is a representative, federal republic. From the start, it had popular rule, a huge departure from the late 18th century norm. It developed even more democratic features as the decades wore on, far in advance of Europe’s lurch toward universal manhood suffrage, then women.

Black men got the vote in every United State before women, even in WY (1869), one of the first, if not the first, jurisdictions to allow female suffrage.

Lrp
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 10:38 am

You don’t really know whether or not the majority of people are in favour of it, and you don’t know their understanding of it. I wish you’d stop thinking you’re special and you’ll find your way to the socialist nirvana through ever increasing democratic majorities and adjustments to constitutional rights.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 12:00 pm

They are only in favor of democracy because they don’t know what it is. They think it means “rights”–they are not taught the real world results of democracy. If reality were part of their education, they would not be in favor of one vote rule. It is a matter of education. If the citizenry understood that they are only one election away from losing the rights they love, they would not be in favor of democracy. We don’t teach the facts or indeed the truth any longer.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 4:15 pm

You mean Zhou Bai-Den did?

Chuck no longer in Houston
Reply to  George Daddis
March 3, 2021 1:19 pm

And, the Anti-Federalist papers as well. Point – Counterpoint. A good discussion was had by all.

Drake
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 5:38 pm

Mr. Walton,

Please review your history and/or take a civics class. The US is REPUBLIC, not a democracy. The United STATES is in actuality a group of individual STATES. If not for the overreach of Supreme Court decisions, each could be very different from the others since there would be no federal welfare, etc. etc. to homogenize the country to such a great extent. As it is, conservative low tax states are growing and high tax leftist states are not.

2 amendments to the constitution from the early 1900s have essentially brought the US to near bankruptcy.
Direct election of Senators allowed individual Senators to freely vote against the what was best for their states. There is no way for a state to recall a senator.
The income tax has enslaved the population and you, Mr. Walton, appear to be upset that you and people of like mind cannot tell those of differing thought what to do with all of OUR hard earned money.

By the way, Bill Clinton NEVER received even 50% of the vote in his 2 elections as President. The Electoral College put him in office. There is no popular vote run off for a Presidential election. In the case of no majority of the Electoral College the election is thrown to the House, where each state has equal power and gets 1 vote. So are you proposing a constitutional amendment eliminating the electoral college? If so, would is allow election by a plurality, not a majority? Do you think the required number of stated would agree to that change? I think not.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Drake
March 2, 2021 1:37 pm

“By the way, Bill Clinton NEVER received even 50% of the vote in his 2 elections as President. The Electoral College put him in office.”

Good point.

What did Clinton get, about 46 percent of the vote? That’s what I seem to recall.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 12:53 pm

“it takes almost 700 000 votes to get an electoral college vote in California while only about 150 000 votes to get one in Wyoming”

Why should California be favored over Wyoming? The reason for the difference is to make things fair between the States. That way, California cannot dictate to everyone else because it has the most population.

The United States is a collection of States.

States have rights. Even the little, less populous States have the same rights as the big, populous States.

czechlist
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 1, 2021 4:48 pm

Yes, it is The United STATES of America. Each STATE has a stake and a say in what happens in the UNION. It is called FEDERALISM. When I was young the Democrats used to scream “States’ Rights” – but now they consider “States’ Rights'” a dog whistle for racism? And they insist the GOP changed postions? As the old adage says “there is no honor among thieves”

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 3:58 pm

The Democrats did not “really” win the popular vote in 2020.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
March 1, 2021 4:38 pm

Gerald,
That is nonsense. There is no credible evidence of fraud on a scale that would swing nearly 8 million votes.

Scissor
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 5:05 pm

The electoral college was swung by fewer than 50,000 votes. It only took fraud in 4 metro areas, you know the ones.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Scissor
March 2, 2021 1:57 pm

And we don’t know how many of that 8 million Izaak is counting that were votes from illegal aliens.

In Arizona alone, it is claimed that over 15,000 illegal aliens voted in the elections there.

Biden won there by less than 15,000.

We can probably figure a few million illegal aliens voted in California alone.

And Biden is bringing in more Democrat illegal alien voters across the southern border even as we speak.

I’m just hoping we can get these election numbers settled. Perhaps the lawsuits brought by Dominion will shed some light. There doesn’t appear to be any light being shed now. The My Pillow guy presentation was a good start, but doesn’t come close to proving anything was stolen.

The only thing that has been shown is that there were massive voter irregularities in all the battleground States. Enough to call into question the integrity and outcome of these elections.

That’s what Trump focused on in his last speech, which is where he should focus in his effort to enact voter reforms.

Trump mentioned sereral times that in key contested voting districts there were more votes cast than there were voters in those districts.

That does not tell us which way the votes went, but it does tell us there is something seriously wrong with these particular voting systems.

As for how many votes were cast, and for whom, I think that is a question that still needs an answer.

I find it hard to believe that Trump got 10 million more votes in 2020, than he did in 2016, and yet still lost the election. I recall the Trump rallies all around the nation.

Would love to know the Truth. Would love it if Trump or the My Pillow guy would help us out.

The My Pillow guy implies he has a forensic analysis of the election in real time. Let’s see it. Saying it is so doesn’t make it so.

Even if I believe it in my bones, I want to have something tangible to throw in the faces of the radical Left. Unsubstantiated assertions won’t do. Help me out here.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 2, 2021 7:50 pm

Here’s what appears to be the latest on the search for who really won the 2020 presidential election:

https://www.wnd.com/2021/03/sidney-powell-enough-evidence-reverse-election-results-least-5-states/

Sidney Powell: ‘More than enough evidence’ to reverse election results in at least 5 states
‘There were counterfeit ballots’
By Bob Unruh

Published March 1, 2021 at 3:37pm

“One week ago, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to review two Pennsylvania cases challenging the validity of votes in the 2020 election, and on Monday it rejected two petitions from attorney Sidney Powell with no explanation.

Powell had promised in the aftermath of the Nov. 3 election to “release the Kraken,” with lawsuits that would blow up the claim that the vote count was legitimate. Her lawsuits were rejected on prodecural grounds, however, and her claims never got traction.

But her confidence that the election was invalid is unshaken. She told Erskine Radio in an interview Saturday that there is “more than enough evidence in the public now to more than reverse the election in at least five states.”

Powell said the existence of “fractionalized votes” weighted in favor of Joe Biden, created by a computer algorithm, can be proved in multiple counties.”

end excerpt

Sidney is unrepentant.

George Daddis
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 5:09 pm

There is no credible rationale that an unpopular Democrat candidate, that could not draw an audience to fill a parking lot, or give a coherent speech, and who literally HID for the majority of his campaign got almost 20 million more votes than the charismatic Barak Hussain Obama.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  George Daddis
March 1, 2021 5:33 pm

George,
Looking at percentages Biden got 50.8% of the vote while in
2012 Obama got 51% of the vote (calculated as votes cast for the
candidate over total number of votes). Over the intervening 8 years the US voting age population grew by 22 million while the turnout increased by over 30 million. Hence it is not surprising that Biden got more votes in absolute numbers than Obama even if he wasn’t as popular.

John Tillman
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 8:19 pm

US population grew by just nine million between 2012 and 2016, and another eight million to 2020.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 7:30 pm

Walton,

There can be no credible evidence in the absence of any thorough and unbiased investigation. The left is fond of claiming that the charges of fraud are “baseless.” Yet, any time a claim of wrongdoing is made by a victim or whistle blower, there is inadequate evidence to conclude the claim is true or not. It often requires the police and the prosecutor to spend months to obtain sufficient evidence to go to trial. Saying that there is “no credible evidence” Is like saying there is no evidence who won an election, before the votes are counted. After the votes are counted, or due diligence is performed by investigators, then, and only then, is it honest to claim that there is “no credible evidence.” The Left are a bunch of sophists who are either incapable of logical thinking, or don’t care about justice.

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Izaak Walton
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 1, 2021 8:18 pm

Clyde,
Trump spent 4 years claiming that he won the popular vote in 2016 and even established a commission to look into electoral fraud. That commission found nothing and never even produced a report. Similarly every other investigation into electoral fraud has only found a tiny number of isolated cases. Furthermore despite Trump claiming repeatly since February that fraud was going to happen he apparently did nothing to stop it. Apparently even with the entire machinery of the US government and a complinant US Attorney General he was unable to stop vote rigging on a massive scale which would make him so incomponent that he deserved to lose.

And if there is no credible evidence why do you appear to believe that the election was fradulent?

John Tillman
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 8:40 pm

Extent of fraud in 2016 just from duplicate voting alone:

http://www.g-a-i.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Voter-Fraud-Final-with-Appendix-1.pdf

Never mind ballot harvesting, motor voter registration fraud, mail in ballot fraud, dead voting, non citizen voting fraud or any of the other traditional Democrat frauds.

John Tillman
Reply to  John Tillman
March 1, 2021 8:56 pm

When Oregon made vote by mail mandatory, fraud was rampant. Wyden beat Smith for US senator because of Democtars’ funding farther Right candidates, and mail vote fraud. Democrat activist students voted their apathetic dorm mates’ ballots in colleges and universities. Nursing home staff voted those of their clients and other activists fished ballots out of garbage cans.

It was the Democrats’ dream. Now Oregon, no surprise, is a one party state like CA. Ballot harvesting was a key tool of the PRI during its 70-year domination of corrupt Mexican misrule, now exported to the US.

As for nursing homes:

https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2020/11/want-to-find-vote-fraud-look-no-further-than-nursing-homes/

The COVID excuse was manna from heaven for Democrats in 20202, allowing unverified mail in ballots in six key swing states, Yet even Dr, Fauci rightly observed that with distancing in person voting need be no more dangerous than shopping. Primary voting in WI showed this to be the case.

But noooo! Mail in voting was required, contrary to state law, in AZ, NV, WI, MI, PA and GA. Democrat precincts in each state found ingenious ways to cheat, as for instance setting signature verification machines to 40% in NV, rather than the recommended 80%.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  John Tillman
March 1, 2021 9:37 pm

Hi John,
Most experts would disagree with that report. Have a look at
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/2019-08/Report_Truth-About-Voter-Fraud.pdf
suggesting that the actual value is several orders of magnitude lower than what your report suggests and also says why.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 12:07 am

So you finally admit there was fraud? Thank you!

Graemethecat
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 12:14 am

Voter fraud in Nevada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fxKc874hDI

Your thoughts, Izaak?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 4:18 pm

Define your “most experts”.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 10:34 am

Walton

You said,

That commission found nothing and never even produced a report. Similarly every other investigation into electoral fraud has only found a tiny number of isolated cases.

It sounds like you are arguing that if someone without a record of past criminal activity is charged with a crime, he/she/it should be exonerated based on past history, and not on present facts. Using that kind of ‘logic,’ no one would ever be convicted of a crime.

While the level of fraud in the past apparently never rose to anything other than negligible, this year was different. Because of COVID-19, many voting laws were changed, illegally, right before the election, in a manner that would allow fraud to be perpetrated more easily.

The level of hatred of Trump was is so high that it is conceivable that a desperate, organized effort was made to throw the election. Beyond that, there were many sworn statements provided that, if they had been allegations of sexual harassment, would have resulted in immediate investigation. As it was, various rationalizations were used to not investigate the claims. The most egregious was the statement that there there was no evidence, and there was no evidence because there had been no investigation. Catch-22!

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 4:17 pm

You need to take a redpill, Trump lives rent-free inside your skull.

Derge
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 4, 2021 10:11 pm

“That is nonsense. There is no credible evidence of fraud on a scale that would swing nearly 8 million votes.”

There is. Right here:

http:\\HereIsTheEvidence.com

http:\\NavarroReport.com

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 4:10 pm

Trump won the popular vote in 49 states, but the illegal immigrants and vote harvesters in California got Hillary’s numbers up.

Big Al
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 4:17 pm

When China Joe announced, thanks to obama, The Biggest Voter Fraud network EVER, was behind him. Calf be included. Izaak, The Military is in Control. See Italy Supreme Court. Dominion vote “flipper.” Plead GUILTY. sec 11.3 put Military in charge.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Big Al
March 1, 2021 4:22 pm

The Military is control of what?

Big Al
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 4:42 pm

USA. Joe Texas jet Not ID as AF1. Question, why no Marine on guard duty with Biden in Oval Office ? Like Trump had. And ALL Presidents before. Why troops turn their BACKS to Biden’s motorcade? Then Joe’s 21 gun salute resembles same greeting as Foreign Dignitary . Did MSM make BIG deal about Trump returning Nuc Football ? Who has nuclear codes? The President. In FL.

Scissor
Reply to  Big Al
March 1, 2021 5:13 pm

My oldest sibling believes this. My youngest sibling says the oldest is nuts. I’m in the middle.

John Tillman
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 4:34 pm

The popular vote is deeply fraudulent. Nobody knows the real one citizen, one vote totals for any election. But unverified, mail in voting in 2020 made the situation even worse.

Scissor
Reply to  John Tillman
March 1, 2021 5:08 pm

I haven’t personally seen the evidence, but I heard that thousands of mail in ballots were returned before they were even sent out. This violates physical law in addition to electoral law.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2021 5:36 pm

So why believe it? If such a thing had happened then there would be a clear paper trail and people would have been arrested. Remember that this was happening while Trump and Barr were running the country.

pochas94
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 6:03 pm

Ya think?

Richard M
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 6:40 pm

No was is allowed to look at the paper trail. All the attempts have been blocked in the courts. That says volumes.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 7:37 pm

… people would have been arrested.

ONLY if someone filed a complaint and an investigation was conducted, which led to charges being filed. The string of events never made it past the complaints being filed.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 1:44 am
Graemethecat
Reply to  Graemethecat
March 2, 2021 1:49 am

…and here are some more from Georgia:

https://www.wctv.tv/2021/02/26/georgia-sec-of-state-recommends-even-more-alleged-election-violations-for-prosecution/

I really don’t understand how you can consider the 2020 election to be clean.

MarkW
Reply to  Graemethecat
March 2, 2021 9:08 am

But nobody has been convicted. To some, that’s proof that there was no crime.

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 9:07 am

You can only find a paper trail, when you look for one.
People are only arrested when those in power want them to be arrested.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 4:20 pm

Trump predicted this mess would happen BEFORE Nov. 3; he even knew he would “lose”.

Big Al
Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2021 5:51 pm

It also violates common sense to believe ALL 66,000 dead people who voted would ALL vote Biden. Big Flag !

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Big Al
March 3, 2021 11:29 am

Especially since it was near 50:50 overall.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 7:11 pm

The lesson learned should be that the presidency wasn’t intended to be elected directly by popular vote. It is another of the ingenious checks and balances created by the Founding Fathers.

No less than Alexis de Tocqueville was concerned that it would be difficult to prevent Tyranny by the Majority. Direct election of the presidency would bring the country closer to that undesirable state. What isn’t generally appreciated, or taught in our public schools, is that the US isn’t, and was never intended to be, a democracy. It is a constitutional republic in which the legislative positions are elected by popular vote, while other federal governing administrative positions are usually appointed, such as judgeships.

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 1, 2021 7:55 pm

The Democrats want a direct popular vote, because those are even easier to steal.

chickenhawk
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 1, 2021 7:16 pm

Izaak,
Before commenting, I read through all of your statements/replies. Please heed the advice of the others here and read up on the Constitution and American History. Your opinion on how things should be or what others think should be, do not comport with the law of the Constitution. Biggest takeaway for you: USA not a democracy. US Presidential Election not popular vote.

Also, as Rud stated, PuertoRico is Territory, not State. And lastly, regarding Pres. Election, plenty of illegalities and plenty of corrupt parties, including politicians, judges and employees of various states/counties/etc., and also, probably, corruption at certain equipment vendors…

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 2, 2021 9:31 am

I presume you complained vociferously when Clinton won the popular vote in the 2008 Presidential primaries, yet still Obama became the Democrat’s presidential candidate?

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Wade
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2021 3:56 pm

Oh, they learned something. They learned that elections are too important to be left up to the people. Donald Trump could have received 300 million votes, and he still would have lost. There is no way on this earth that politicians of either party will allow another non-politician like Donald Trump to win. The last thing the swamp will allow someone who has absolutely no political baggage with which to hold him hostage for their own ends.

Derg
Reply to  Wade
March 1, 2021 4:09 pm

Wade….1,000 golf claps.

See Russia colluuuusion….am I right Izaak? Simon? Ghalfrunt?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  commieBob
March 2, 2021 5:10 am

The GOP would be making a huge mistake if they chose TraitorTrump again, and they know it. Meanwhile, he’ll happily hint at possibly running again, and will bask in the Hitlerian glory of his idiotic, enthralled base while raking in the cash.

commieBob
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 2, 2021 8:20 am

Trump reminds me of Zaphod Beeblebrox. Anyway, the Republican party bosses are just as bad and stupid as the Democrat party bosses. Their leadership has led us into our current mess.

We need more inauthentic Republicans like Trump. We also need some inauthentic Democrats.

If you think Trump was bad, it’s very possible that someone much worse will come along sooner rather than later, unless both parties shape up in a big way.

In 2015, TalkingPointsMemo published this. It pointed out the plight of middle aged American working people. They were, and possibly still are, so dispirited that they don’t care if they bring the whole edifice crashing down around their own ears.

The forgotten peoples’ jobs had been exported to China and the American Dream was ripped from their grasp. As far as I can tell, Trump made their lives better and gave them a bit of hope for the future. If the Democrats make their lives worse again, they will be ripe picking for some truly evil demagogue.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  commieBob
March 2, 2021 2:29 pm

“If you think Trump was bad, it’s very possible that someone much worse will come along sooner rather than later,”

I’m trying to figure out just what Trump was bad at. Communications? No, he is an extremely good communicator, he’s blunt as hell and tells the truth.

Trump’s main problem is he destroys the socialist agenda by word and deed, when given the opportunity.

Of course, that drives the socialists into a rage, especially when they thought they had it all in the bag with Obama and then with Hillary, but Trump upset their grand plans, and they hate him for it becasue he is effective and because he ridicules their socialist ideas so well.

Trump’s other problem is he offends the self-righteous and those who feel they are holier than everyone else.

Trump’s blunt talk, and the lies the Left puts out about Trump’s morals causes them to be offended to no end. They want no connection with what they condsider a moral degenerate.

I don’t see any of that as a reason not to support Trump. In fact, I think that is a reason I should support Trump. He makes both the socialists and the holier-than-thou uncomfortable and that has to be a good thing.

Besides, Trump’s conservative policy is just exactly what I would want our leader to be doing, and that’s the main reason I would support him, and that is the reason conservatives support him. He is good for the United States.

As for being a moral degenerate, I don’t look at him that way. I think he has done the best he could with the situations he found himself in. All the rest is a distortion of reality by the Left in an effort to damage him.

And the effort is ongoing because they know Trump can ruin their dreams of a socialist takeover of the United States so they are not going to let up on him or his supporters who the Left is trying to characterize as rghtwing terrorists. All 75 million of them. Or 79 million of them, if you believe the My Pillow guy.

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commieBob
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 2, 2021 5:14 pm

If you think Trump was bad …

… you’re a Democrat or something like that.

The forgotten people will do whatever it takes to get redress for their righteous grievances. If history is our guide, it could be horrible.

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 2, 2021 9:10 am

I see Bruce is still trying to push his belief that opposing Democrat fraud is traitorous.
According to the man in charge of Capital Hill security, the riot started 20 minutes before Trump’s speech started. However the useful idiots will still declare that Trump personally ordered the crowd to attack capital hill.

commieBob
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2021 9:43 am

Someone, I don’t care who, has to quit the name calling and start working on living together peaceably again.

Bruce refers to Trump’s enthralled base. The Democrats call those people the deplorables. Trump called them the forgotten people, which is way more accurate. A party can’t have undisguised contempt for half the population. The outcome is rather predictable.

TonyG
Reply to  commieBob
March 2, 2021 10:20 am

If anything, the name-calling is getting worse. Calls now to boycott the hotel chain (Hyatt I think) that hosted CPAC for “supporting notsees”. Anyone who even suggests that Trump wasn’t evil incarnate is a “white supremacist”. Calls for lists of Trump voters, outing them, harassing them, getting them fired, etc. Calls to completely shut down any vaguely right-leaning media.

I don’t see it ending well.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TonyG
March 2, 2021 2:49 pm

It will end well because the Right is just as numerous as the Left and just as rich and although the Left has control of the opinion-making infrastructure of the U.S., that may not be enough, and our Republic may just find a way out of the iron grip of the radical Democrats. But the Right will have to work at it. It’s an uphill battle, but a battle that can and must be won.

Our greatest risk is that Biden will start using the power of the federal government, the FBI, the Justice Department and the Intelligence agencies illegally against the Left’s political enemies, like he did during the Obama-Biden administration. Corruption like that is very hard to counter, as recent history has shown.

Let’s hope it never goes that far. Unfortunately, we have a bad example in our recent history, Obama-Biden, and many of those same actors are back in positions of power today.

The Right has a long row to hoe.

MarkW
Reply to  commieBob
March 2, 2021 12:13 pm

The Democrats and the rest of the left at present, are only interested in cancelling anyone who disagrees with them.
It’s almost daily that I read about a conservative being fired for the crime of disagreeing with a leftist.
One liberal group is demanding that nobody who worked for Trump should be allowed to work anywhere from now on.
Other prominent liberals are calling for re-education camps for anyone who supported Trump.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2021 2:41 pm

“According to the man in charge of Capital Hill security, the riot started 20 minutes before Trump’s speech started.”

It was reported yesterday and today that Trump offered to send 10,000 National Guard troops to the Capital Building days before the Capital Building incursion, and someone at the Capital Building turned the offer down.

Nancy Pelosi is at the head of the Capital chain of command. What did Nancy know and when did she know it? Was she directly involved in turning down the National Guard troop help? She should have been in on the decision. The Capital Police are mum.

The FBI Director is testifying before Congress today on what and when the FBI knew about the Capital Building incursion. The last word I had was the FBI warned those at the Capital Building about plots in the works. But security was not raised. I wonder why.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 2, 2021 4:24 pm

One of the Capital Police officials testified yesterday and his timeline directly contradicted the spin Pelosi is putting out.

Earthling2
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 2, 2021 9:50 am

Bruce, I suspect that you don’t like President DJT very much, and have a case of TDS. But do you support the policies that DJT brought to America? If so, don’t worry so much about the minor character flaws of a human being. I was disappointed too with some of his whims, such as abandoning the Kurds in Syria for a few weeks, which saw many of them ‘cancelled’. They are our allies and are light years ahead of the rest of the Muslim world. If anyone has been screwed over more in history, the Kurds would be near the top of the list. They deserve a State.

To the best of my knowledge, DJT wasn’t corrupt politically, and neither did he benefit financially personally from the highest office in the land. He worked his ass off, day and night. In fact, he didn’t take a salary and probably lost a bundle on his personal fortune just being President. His attraction is that he isn’t owned by anyone and has the best interests of America in mind, especially the working class. This is proven by the fact that Wall Street supports the Democrats much more than they did the Republicans, by a very wide margin. So much for being grateful for the tax cuts that improved their bottom lines and increased their share value.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Earthling2
March 2, 2021 2:52 pm

“If anyone has been screwed over more in history, the Kurds would be near the top of the list. They deserve a State.”

I agree.

Derge
Reply to  Earthling2
March 4, 2021 10:17 pm

“such as abandoning the Kurds”

I honestly could not give a f less about the Kurds…

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 2, 2021 4:21 pm

Another customer for a redpill, with Trump living inside his skull.

Gyan1
March 1, 2021 2:40 pm

“Heartland Institute, the climate denial advocacy group”

Incessant mind control propaganda like the above is how they fool most of the people most of the time. The blind acceptance of false narratives is the biggest treat to freedom I have witnessed. They don’t even pretend to be objective anymore.

griff
Reply to  Gyan1
March 2, 2021 12:48 am

Heartland has been proven to fund climate skeptic groups and thinktanks.

Editor
Reply to  griff
March 2, 2021 6:27 am

And your point is what?

Care to discuss how Dr. Mann is a millionaire?

Gyan1
Reply to  griff
March 2, 2021 8:34 am

“climate denial advocacy group”

Is a complete misrepresentation of the skeptic position. Nobody denies climate other than fools who believe climate was stable before humans “disrupted” it.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
March 2, 2021 9:11 am

Even if true, so what?
Are you one of those people who believe that only government approved opinions should be heard?

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 2, 2021 2:37 pm

You mean REALISTS and actual SCIENTISTS..

….. as opposed to mentally ill ACDS patients ?

fred250
Reply to  Gyan1
March 2, 2021 2:42 pm

I have asked MANY TIMES, but no-one has been able to tell me …

…what we “Climate realists” DENY that they have solid empirical scientific proof for !

They cannot provide scientific proof for even the most basic fallacy of their ACDS agenda cult, warming by atmospheric CO2…

We see the absolute BLANK replies to simple questions such as…

1… Do you have any empirical scientific evidence for warming by atmospheric CO2?

2… In what ways has the global climate changed in the last 50 years , that can be scientifically proven to be of human released CO2 causation?

Alan
March 1, 2021 3:00 pm

From the NY Times article, “Climate Weirding is Here.”
The fact that it has snowed like crazy in Washington — while it has rained at the Winter Olympics in Canada, while Australia is having a record 13-year drought — is right in line with what every major study on climate change predicts: The weather will get weird; some areas will get more precipitation than ever; others will become drier than ever.
For years haven’t we been told, “That’s just local weather. Nothing to worry about.”?

Reply to  Alan
March 1, 2021 4:37 pm

Alan, do you know the definitional difference between weather and climate?
I know the NYT does not. Appears you don’t either. Sad.

And you apparently also do not know that regional downscaling of Global Climate Models (GCM’s) are notoriously unreliable—including all your ‘examples’. For an explanation/education, see essay Last Cup of Coffee in my ebook Blowing Smoke.

Alan
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 1, 2021 8:53 pm

Did you understand I was making fun of the Times and their brilliant opinion writer?

WXcycles
Reply to  Alan
March 1, 2021 5:00 pm

For almost all of this summer the South Island of New Zealand has been hit with snow storms, central Andes as well.

Global warming in action.

But it will be the hottest year ever, of course. That goes without saying.

fred250
Reply to  Alan
March 1, 2021 7:22 pm

That would have to one of the most IDIOTIC brain-washed gullible posts I have seen in a long time

TOTALLY LACKING in any sort of EVIDENCE of anything

Just basic suppository BS. !!

Where the **** did they get the idea of Australia having a 13 year drought ??

Major “climate change studies” predict a range SO WIDE that they cover basically EVERYTHING from one extreme to the other..

They are totally LACKING IN SKILL.

That IS NOT SCIENCE

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Alan
Reply to  fred250
March 1, 2021 9:40 pm

If you read my post all the way through, you’d realize I was making fun of the Times “brilliant” opinion writer. I wonder if he can read a thermometer with AOC’s help?

fred250
Reply to  Alan
March 2, 2021 4:06 am

ok, sorry, you sounded like yet another ACDS sufferer

Alan
Reply to  Alan
March 1, 2021 8:51 pm

Rud Istvan, if you had read my post a little closer or read the Times article, you’d have understood I was making fun of the idiotic opinion writer who wrote that drivel. After all, every time someone points to a snow storm or a freeze or record low temperature somewhere, we’re told it’s just weather. I’ve been reading this site for years. I know very well the difference between climate and weather. And that most models are garbage in garbage out.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Alan
March 2, 2021 12:18 am

Irony and sarcasm don’t come over well on the Web, alas. Besides, there are commenters on here (Izaak Walton, Griff, nyolci etc. who could have written that quite seriously.

griff
Reply to  Graemethecat
March 2, 2021 12:49 am

Climate change isn’t always heatwaves… in the UK it manifests as storms and heavy rainfall and flooding…

MarkW
Reply to  griff
March 2, 2021 9:13 am

Alan, see what we mean?

According to the true believers, if anything changes it was caused by CO2.

Robert Austin
Reply to  griff
March 2, 2021 9:27 am

Griff,
Is it not true that weather also “manifests as storms and heavy rainfall and flooding…”? In Griff’s world view all weather, average, benign or extreme, is a indication of climate change.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Robert Austin
March 2, 2021 3:00 pm

“In Griff’s world view all weather, average, benign or extreme, is a indication of climate change.”

Or course it is. The weather is the last refuge of alarmist scoundrels.

Earthling2
Reply to  griff
March 2, 2021 10:00 am

Which is all normal Griff. In fact, the weather and climate has been much worse for 90% of the time in the UK over the last 2.6 million years. And we are in a very brief interlude of relatively benign climate for much of the planet the last 150 years.

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 2, 2021 2:44 pm

MORE BS from griff-LIAR !!

Heavy rain has NOT increased.

Flooding is nearly always a result of the greenie agenda causing floodways et to become blocked due to lack of proper maintenance.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Graemethecat
March 2, 2021 2:56 pm

“Irony and sarcasm don’t come over well on the Web, alas.”

That’s good to keep in mind. It helps to spell things out a little extra so people don’t misunderstand the point.

Lrp
Reply to  Alan
March 2, 2021 10:43 am

Where is drought in Australia?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lrp
March 2, 2021 3:01 pm

13 years worth, too. I was wondering that myself.

Anon
March 1, 2021 3:04 pm

More global weirding:

Venice’s world-famous ‘streets of water’ left dry after dramatic low tides drained its canals

“The Mayor of Venice maintains that the rapidly alternating water levels are linked to climate change.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/venice-s-world-famous-streets-of-water-left-dry-after-dramatic-low-tides-drained-its-canals/ar-BB1e5wkn?

No doubt when students read about this in a few hundred years, the will be chapter on the Scientific Age, sandwiched between chapters on the Pre-Scientific Age and the Post-Scientific Era. (abbreviated: PSA and PSE as we now do with BCE and CE)

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Itdoesn't add up...
Reply to  Anon
March 1, 2021 7:19 pm

Some day he’ll learn how the tides are driven by gravitational forces of the moon and the sun. I guess he must be descended from those who prosecuted Gallileo.

MarkW
Reply to  Itdoesn't add up...
March 2, 2021 9:14 am

Water levels can also be influenced by the winds.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Anon
March 2, 2021 12:20 am

But we’re constantly told that sea levels will rise, not fall, due to CAGW!

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Anon
March 2, 2021 6:19 am

Makes as much sense as anything else from msn. Sea levels have risen to the lowest levels evah.

Sara
March 1, 2021 3:05 pm

Climate weirding???????? Okay, that shoves it all right into the realm of the “occult” and the fake religious hoodoo that goes along with fringe ideologies.

Are those idjits like Kerry going to start having public rituals on Saturday mornings that the kids will have to watch, instead of cartoons? And doesn’t forcing YOUR religion down someone else’s throat constitute a violation of that part of the 1st Amendment that says “freedom of religion”????????

And (obvious question), Kerry and his ilk can do that, can’t I get people to follow my “path” to “bring things into balance” by invoking the Snow Queen?

N.B.: I can come up with a lot of that kind of thing, but if this goes any further, it may become necessary to haul those jerks into court and make public nuisances of them, once and for all.

Just sayin’….

Derg
Reply to  Sara
March 1, 2021 4:10 pm

It’s not to Izaak. He snorts that Koolaid

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fred250
Reply to  Derg
March 1, 2021 9:37 pm

intravenously, more like it. !

The ACDS is strong with Izzy-a-dope

To bed B
March 1, 2021 3:34 pm

The strangest phenonomen would be nothing but the average everywhere on the globe.

Meab
March 1, 2021 3:36 pm

“Global Weirding”? Another phony slogan brought to you by dishonest alarmists.

Look up weird weather events before the age of the Climate Crisis scam. Here’s a few of literally thousands –

1913: Furnace Creek Furnace; All time high Temperature in US … 134 Deg. F in California
1918: East Coast Storm: 50 inches of snow in New Jersey
1922: Knickerbocker Storm. 92 people killed in Midwest from extreme cold
1936: Dust Bowl heat wave. All time high in Oklahoma (and many other States)… 122 Deg F.
1940: Armistice Day Storm. 150 deaths in Midwest from extreme cold.
1978: Cleveland Superbomb: 100 mph winds and 25-foot snowbanks.
2011*: Arctic Invasion; All time cold record in Four Corners area … -11 F.
2021*; Younger Dryas II; Texas Blackout

  • during Climate Crisis scam
Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Meab
March 1, 2021 7:47 pm
Abolition Man
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 2, 2021 2:09 am

Doh! And I thought that was a song by the Drifters!

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 2, 2021 10:41 am

The snow was drifting alright! I have read that people had to enter and leave farm houses on the 2nd floor, with snow shoes. 🙂

rbabcock
March 1, 2021 3:43 pm

Well certainly the CFSR isn’t showing any warming and the La Niña historically brings the atmospheric temps down along with the cooling water.

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rbabcock
Reply to  rbabcock
March 1, 2021 3:46 pm

And here are the CFSR rolling temperatures

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Nikki
March 1, 2021 3:44 pm

So all the brilliant boys want us to believe they are so brilliant we need to give up money, our businesses, our homes, become paupers to prepare for the coming global weirding. How did humans get so brilliant in just 130 years? Or maybe they didn’t. Because 130 years ago they were riding horses and carts and they shot down women and children in Wounded Knee Creek, mainly because the Indians wouldn’t accept the religion being foisted on them. So I don’t believe the humans have evolved so much in 130 years that they should be trusted like priest of their new religion….global weirding.

Derge
Reply to  Nikki
March 4, 2021 10:26 pm

“they were riding horses and carts and they shot down women and children in Wounded Knee Creek, mainly because the Indians wouldn’t accept the religion being foisted on them

What Cracker Jack box did you get your history degree from?

Rich T.
March 1, 2021 4:01 pm

I’ll take Joe’s weather forecast any day compared to the so called CC crap. He knows what he is talking about. Watched him when he was doing the forecast from Penn State. The only thing “FRINGE” is the lying CC garbage.

DonK31
March 1, 2021 4:10 pm

Bastardi was right, again. NOAA was wrong, again.
One thing that I have learned over my lifetime is to listen to those who have proved that they know what they talk about.

Notanacademic
March 1, 2021 4:13 pm

I like Joe Bastardi. I have read one of his books and some of his articles on wuwt. I draw the conclusion that he is far more accurate than a computer model with regard to forecasting weather and a hell of a lot cheaper. I am not religious but I admire his unwavering faith. To me Joe seems to be someone who if you did disagree with you could do so without ever falling out, a quality sorely lacking in too many when it comes to climate/weather. He’s not fringe that’s just another weasel word to sideline him, protect the narrative at all costs.

WXcycles
Reply to  Notanacademic
March 1, 2021 4:54 pm

… he is far more accurate than a computer model with regard to forecasting weather and a hell of a lot cheaper.

I think you’ll find he uses them constantly.

Notanacademic
Reply to  WXcycles
March 2, 2021 12:15 am

Apologies perhaps I should of said he puts them to better use than most.

MarkW
Reply to  Notanacademic
March 2, 2021 9:25 am

There are two big differences between weather models and climate models.
Weather models take current conditions for a limited area as their input, and then use physics to try and project how those conditions will evolve over the next couple of days.
Climate models take assumptions about initial conditions, and then try to figure out what average conditions for the whole world will be.

Weather models can and do ignore anything that is not likely to change during the next few days.
Climate models can’t afford to ignore anything.

The projections of climate models as to what the world will be like in 100 years are untestable. However their shorter term projections can be tested as time moves forward. These projections have failed to match what the real world has been doing.
When a climate model fails to match reality, they investigate how the data was gathered so that it can be adjusted to match the model.
There is no penalty when climate models get it wrong.
Climate models believe that when there is inadequate data, they can interpolate (make up) the data needed.

Weather models are compared to reality every day. There are a number of weather models, and they are constantly being compared against each other. When a weather model fails to match reality, the developers go back into the model to figure out what they did wrong, in order to improve the model.
Weather modelers will tell you straight up that one of the biggest problems they face is inadequate data and only more actual weather stations can solve this problem.

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Notanacademic
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2021 10:53 am

Thanks MarkW. We know that the climate models have a bias toward warmth and predict this far into the future, it seems the weather models are open to abuse as well. The BBC weather app on my phone seems to have a warm bias it’ll tell me it’s raining when it’s snowing, the predicted temperatures are almost always warmer than it actually is. My wife has a different weather app on her phone it does the same. They are only useful as a source of amusement, I suspect it’s part of the brainwashing.

Ossqss
March 1, 2021 4:55 pm

The sudden stratospheric warming event in January was a big flag waving on the horizon for a PV issue. Where, was the only question. JB hoisted that flag well in advance of the targeted locations accurately.

As with all the cancel culture BS now day, some found things unacceptable and ideologically opposed to their own desire for manufactured facts, not truths.

What they don’t realize is they are inadvertently selling his books like hotcakes! LMAO>

u.k.(us)
March 1, 2021 5:22 pm

“In a post for the Heartland Institute, the climate denial advocacy group where Bastardi is a senior fellow…”
================
Define “Fellow”.
Now try to prove there is an “climate denial advocacy group”.
With all that done, why is he considered ” a senior”.
Now you must define “senior”.
See where this is going ?

March 1, 2021 5:32 pm

Joe is about to be TOTALLY CANCELLED. Professor William Happer points out that current CO2 levels are saturated as far as any contribution to atmospheric warming…CO2 can triple from here with little additional effect. Therefore, any further warming is about normal climate cycles and according to history, cooling lies ahead….keep cool….Grand Solar Minimum.

John Tillman
Reply to  Anti_griff
March 1, 2021 6:18 pm

I like MIT emeritus prof Lindzen’s analogy of painting a thrid coat of white paint on a wall. The best atmospheric physicists know that CACCA is a crock.

MarkW
Reply to  Anti_griff
March 2, 2021 9:30 am

CO2 is already doing a bit over 90% of what it is capable of doing in terms of slowing energy transfer. Each subsequent doubling of CO2 concentration takes care of half what is remaining.

March 1, 2021 5:43 pm

Am I the only one who instantly judges anyone who thinks people deny climate to be idiots?

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  JimK
March 1, 2021 7:39 pm

For a journalism major reporter to call Joe Bastardi a climate denier just shows how ignorant the reporter is and indicts the sad state of affairs of a liberal arts university education these days.

Joel O'Bryan
March 1, 2021 6:01 pm

E&E Reporter Scott Walderman is a moron.
It really IS as simple as that. You can’t fix stupid.

Mike Dubrasich
March 1, 2021 6:02 pm

Every Bastardi quote cited above is true, perceptive, and right on the money. The “hit piece” is ironically a confirmation of JB’s excellent understanding of the Great Climate Hoax. Walderman and Rosenberg are twits. E&E News has been Lefty propaganda garbage for their entire existence.

The Fringe
March 1, 2021 6:49 pm

Recommended reading if you dare https://www.cfact.org/2021/02/27/timeline-of-my-warnings-on-historic-texas-cold/

Those are the public statements I made Clients were being warned Monday about how bad this was going to be as an energy company had to know when their preloads were not going to be useful if based on the models. On Saturday night before I had a 745 pm conference call, right after I got out of church ( this is 8 days before) with some meteorologists in Arkansas on the matter. There is an advantage to be a total weather nut who lists the WPC daily weather map site as one of sites I spend the most time on. looking at weather maps so when crazy things like 1899. show up, I can recognize it. I don’t think this makes me better but it may make me different.. In fact from now on instead of JB. you can call me the Fringe. Sort of like the Edge on U2. Heh sometimes you just gotta smile at all this

Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  The Fringe
March 2, 2021 1:04 pm

Dear Fringe,

Ten gold stars! Again, for the umpteenth time, you called the weather before it happened when few or nobody else did.

I’m going to call you America’s Top Weatherman from now on. So please use that handle whenever you wish.

Don Thompson
March 1, 2021 7:48 pm

Please refrain from using derogatory terms for persons with intellectual disabilities. They cannot help it, and many of them bless us in unexpected ways. Using disabilities as an insult is crass.

For the most part, the folks being criticized here are not lacking in IQ. Rather, they have accepted a quasi-religious world view that blinds them to counter narratives. It is a herd mentality, like the Salem Witch Trials, that was identified long ago in the parable of the emperor’s new clothes. They just can’t accept that they are the naked ones.

Meteorologist Mike Maguire
March 1, 2021 8:07 pm

“An important takeaway from the Great Texas Blackout is that weathermen and weatherwomen are the experts, not climate scientists whose warmer-winter predictions proved to be a great distraction.”

This was my forecast before this extreme Winter weather hit Texas.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/65704/#66168

Yes, we did a much better job forecasting this particular SHORT TERM/WEATHER event than longer term predictions could ever do.
That will always be the case. The farther out the time frame of the forecast period is, the less skill is expected.

But here’s the thing with that and operational meteorologists. We are also wrong a lot too. Wrong enough, many times every year to stay humble and reconcile our actual forecast(before the weather happened) with what actually happened.

We base much of our weather forecasting on global computer models. Models that sometimes cause us to be wrong…..even though they are programmed with thousands of the best mathematical equations to represent the physics of the atmosphere.
When this happens with regularity(weather models being wrong) it causes the user to be cognizant of the limitations of models and also to be accountable when it happens………acknowledge a busted forecast ASAP, so you can adjust quickly to provide a BETTER UPDATED forecast.

Forecasting climate, especially for periods that are decades from now is different in many ways. However, the user is also completely dependent on global climate models……simulations of the atmosphere using mathematical equations to represent the physics.

The problem with many climate scientists is that they never have to reconcile their forecast with empirical data/observations with the regularity that a meteorologist does. A climate scientist in 2021, for instance. projecting climate in the year 2100 will be dead long before having to reconcile a busted projection and learning from it.

This seems to have been the rule, not the exception in climate science during the last 40 years. Predictions that bust with high frequency (often too warm) but are not reconciled because the climate model users give so much weighting to the models, that they get married to the model solutions/simulations and are slow to………..or even unwilling to be humble enough to make needed adjustments.

Dr. Spencer had a wonderful article discussing, exactly this:

https://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the-observations-must-be-wrong/

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Meteorologist Mike Maguire
March 2, 2021 4:15 pm

It is my impression that weather forecasts have a higher rate of false-positives than false-negatives.

Al Miller
March 1, 2021 9:07 pm

I say we listen to the mainstream media and climate “scientists”. After they do have a perfect track record at 100% (of wrong predictions)!

Lasse
March 1, 2021 11:10 pm

I like Bastardis Saturday briefing -although I am from Sweden .
He shows the weather maps and try to find similar years to see the development.
He is sceptical to those who think normal weather is the normal and everything else is our fault.
I guess the rest of the Weathermen has sold their souls or prefer to sty low and silent.
Remember the snow of 1888-is on Youtube!

Rhys Jaggar
March 1, 2021 11:42 pm

We in the UK downgraded the Met Office’s seasonal forecasts to ‘junk status’ about 10 years ago.

It takes true skill to get it wrong each and every winter. A no-nothing should get it right close to 50% of the time just through flipping a coin.

Ed Zuiderwijk
March 2, 2021 12:29 am

Walderman is the quack, not Bastardi.

Sparko
March 2, 2021 4:10 am

Bastardi tends to get things right. How that must annoy them

Bruce Cobb
March 2, 2021 4:34 am

Wind and solar power are supplements to the main diet in the same way that Twinkies are. They do not add value, but rather detract it.

Dr. fuz
March 2, 2021 5:20 am

Joe has forgotten more about meteorology than these fools have ever known.

Bartster
March 2, 2021 9:03 am

Joe Bastardi is right…CO2 is beneficial to the planet. In fact, a report I read just yesterday touted a 10% increase in the greening of Mother Earth over the last 2 decades, most of that as a result of shrinkage in the northern African desert. CO2 promotes plant life, which in turn releases oxygen, even for the mouth-breathing liberals that are stuck on anthropogenic causes as the prime mover to this transient warming.

I’ve been a fan of no-nonsense Bastardi from his student days at U-Penn as well as his stint at Accuweather. He’s an excellent climatologist as well as a meteorologist.

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March 2, 2021 9:22 am

“It was supposed to be a warm 2020/2021 winter Texas-way, said the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration”

Climatically, that is a correct statement and for December & January, it was following the climate norm of a warm La Nina winter:

...THE DALLAS/FORT WORTH CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER 2020...

CLIMATE NORMAL PERIOD 1981 TO 2010
CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1898 TO 2020

WEATHER         OBSERVED          NORMAL  DEPART   LAST YEARS
                VALUE   DATE(S)   VALUE   FROM     VALUE DATE(S)
                                          NORMAL
................................................................
TEMPERATURE (F)
RECORD
 HIGH             90   12/30/1951
 LOW                   12/23/1989
HIGHEST           79   12/09         78       1       73  12/09
                                                          12/05
LOWEST            28   12/17         21       7       27  12/18
AVG. MAXIMUM    60.7               57.1     3.6     61.0
AVG. MINIMUM    37.3               37.1     0.2     39.1
MEAN            49.0               47.1     1.9     50.0
</pre>
<pre class="ql-syntax" spellcheck="false">...THE DALLAS/FORT WORTH CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY 2021...

CLIMATE NORMAL PERIOD 1981 TO 2010
CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1898 TO 2021

WEATHER         OBSERVED          NORMAL  DEPART   LAST YEARS
                VALUE   DATE(S)   VALUE   FROM     VALUE DATE(S)
                                          NORMAL
................................................................
TEMPERATURE (F)
RECORD
 HIGH             93   01/31/1911
 LOW              -2   01/31/1949
HIGHEST           75   01/30         77      -2       81  01/15
LOWEST            27   01/12         17      10       30  01/12
                       01/28
                                                          01/11
AVG. MAXIMUM    56.6               56.4     0.2     60.1
AVG. MINIMUM    38.4               35.5     2.9     40.5
MEAN            47.5               45.9     1.6     50.3

OK, +1.9 & +1.6 …then February came with the outlier:

...THE DALLAS/FORT WORTH CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY 2021...

CLIMATE NORMAL PERIOD 1981 TO 2010
CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1898 TO 2021

WEATHER         OBSERVED          NORMAL  DEPART   LAST YEAR`S
                VALUE   DATE(S)   VALUE   FROM     VALUE DATE(S)
                                          NORMAL
................................................................
TEMPERATURE (F)
RECORD
 HIGH             96   02/25/1904
 LOW              -8   02/12/1899
HIGHEST           81   02/23         80       1       81  02/02
LOWEST            -2   02/16         22     -24       25  02/14
AVG. MAXIMUM    50.8               60.4    -9.6     59.8
AVG. MINIMUM    31.4               39.4    -8.0     39.4
MEAN            41.1               49.9    -8.8     49.6

Waco NWS & Amarillo NWS had similar numbers.

Amarillo NWS office has a good writeup concerning El Nino’s & the Panhandle. From the text:

What about Amarillo?

Although it is unwise to contribute any one weather event to El Niño or La Niña, the generalized effects can be seen over an entire season. A detailed analysis of the weather over the past 60 years at Amarillo has been conducted. A comparison was made between temperature and precipitation observations and the status of El Niño/La Niña based on the Niño 3.4 Index. In general, El Niño conditions lead to wetter, snowier conditions in Amarillo and cooler maximum temperatures during the winter. La Niña conditions lead to drier and warmer temperatures overall, with notable extreme cold spells. In stronger El Niño or La Niña episodes, these trends are even greater.

https://www.weather.gov/ama/elnino

I don’t get it – historically, La Nina winters are dryer & warmer than the long-term norm & that is what was happening…what’s the problem, they didn’t catch the quick anomaly? What was your forecast?

Cjones1
March 2, 2021 9:26 am

Bastardi studies climate history and his forecasts use past climate cyclical events to predict upcoming conditions. His AGW detractors ignore the history of climat and changes far too often.
The Texas energy supply tragedy occurred when the renewable supply failed at a crucial upswing in energy load and cascaded with failures when alternative energy sources took time to bring on and switchgear/transformer failures occurred.

Vincent Walker
March 2, 2021 9:34 am

These propagandists are not stupid. They are trying to convince people of a lie that will allow governments to have complete control over them. Look at the electric car. Governments around the world are mandating them by 2030. By 2030 batteries will only let you go about 350 miles and will still take about 8 hours to fully charge, that way the governments control your travel and movement.

March 2, 2021 9:49 am

Ahem….from my 90’s era website. It caused NO suicides nor accidents:

Carbon is 84% of petroleum and makes 80% of all our energy.All life on Earth is carbon based.

The UN will soon declare CO2 a poison.

The control and taxing of carbon will give the elected/unelected ruling castes more power than anything since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215 AD.

It is just that simple.

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Gotnukes
March 2, 2021 10:12 am

As a pilot I will listen to what Joe Bastardi has to say if I want to stay alive. In the days of calling the FAA for a weather briefing I could be in Texas and they would tell me there may be a little fog in the morning. I would wake up to thunderstorms all quadrants. I will trust a straight shooting forecaster like Joe any day over the agenda driven ones.

Timothy
March 2, 2021 1:42 pm

Nonetheless, Big Joe nailed the forecast on Feb 10th and gave the warning.

Another Scott
March 2, 2021 3:00 pm

Bastardi got it right, makes the hit job lines in the article look silly

posa
March 2, 2021 3:27 pm

Two weeks before the Texas Freeze, Joe Bastardi was pointing to models and analogous years indicating unusually cold conditions lining up for texas and the Plains. The weekend before frigid conditions emerged, Bastardi frantically contacted media and Gov. Abbott warning of “Cat 5” Cold… but no one in authority seemed to have lifted a finger.

The Snark Kings at the Union of Concerned Scientists and the like, of course, have no insight into weather, climate or atmospheric physics. Basically, they’re loud mouth parasites.

David Hill
March 3, 2021 12:56 pm

Joe Bastardi is the man. He was spot on regarding multiple snow storms impacting the Northeast in Feb. He called these storms two weeks in advance.

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