Guest essay by Eric Worrall
According to Wired, a new bovine burp mask fitted with a catalytic converter catches methane expelled from cattle and converts it to CO2 and water. Methane is a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2.
This burp-catching mask for cows could slow down climate change
Methane from cattle accounts for a significant amount of global warming – startup Zelp has a comfortable and stylish solution
By ANNA MARKS
Friday 1 January 2021There are 1.6 billion cattle on Earth, and their burps and farts are becoming a big problem. Cows expel methane, a colourless and odourless gas which is approximately 84 times more potent than carbon dioxide when it comes to warming the planet.
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Zelp, a UK-based company, has developed a potential solution in the form of a burp-catching face mask for cows, designed to reduce methane emissions from cattle by 60 per cent. The firm was founded by brothers Francisco and Patricio Norris, whose family run a livestock farming business in Argentina. “We were aware that in every country, methane is one of the biggest contributions to global warming and we found that methane mitigation tools in agriculture are under-researched,” says Francisco. “There isn’t a lot of innovation occurring within the field.”
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The mask fits comfortably on a cow’s head with a zip-tie-like mechanism allowing it to be adjusted to various cattle’s head sizes depending on the breed. It is applied to cattle after they are weaned, usually at 6-8 months of age, and sits next to the nostrils, allowing the tool to capture methane from their breathing, belches and burps. “Around 95 per cent of the cattle’s methane emissions come from their nostrils and mouths,” Norris explains. “The technology detects, captures and oxidises methane when it is exhaled by the animals.”
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Read more: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/cows-climate-change-methane-stop
From what I’ve seen of cattle a lot of methane seems to come out the other end, so the mask at best would seem to be a half solution.
I’m also wondering how long the masks would last in real world conditions. Cows are pretty good at destroying stuff which bothers them. I suspect a lot of them would scratch against a tree or rock until the strap breaks, or get other members of the herd to chew on it.
Methane will oxidise naturally in the atmosphere if you let it so what is the point. There is also no real evidence that CO2 or methane has any effect on climate. If you leave the plant material that the cows eat in the field that material will eventually result in methane and CO2 so this whole concern is pointless. How much CO2 is added to the atmosphere to make these devises and to install them on cows. Maybe all animals including humans should wear such devices This whole thing is nonsense..
Exactly ! CH4 will oxidize in the atmosphere just like basically anything that can oxidize. There is no point except to earn money, possibly som virtue signalling as well. In reality it will have a negative net effect due to the production, shipping etc.
“Cows expel methane, a colourless and odourless gas which is approximately 84 times more potent than carbon dioxide when it comes to warming the planet.”
Our friends on the left NEVER tell us how much methane will actually increase global temperature. The reason for that is that for practical purposes, it won’t.
A Piper Cub will fly 84 times further on a gallon of gas than a Jumbo jet. The proper response to that is, “So what?” An ant can lift 84 times its body weight. Another “So What?” Methane is 84 times more potent than CO2 at warming the planet is also deserving of “So What?” and for essentially the same reason.
A Golden Oldie.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/04/doha-delegates-pwned/
And a follow up:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/20/the-hoegh-guldberg-device-shades-of-rube-goldberg/#comment-884747
The device appears to be on the wrong end of the cow to have any great effect. Overall, however, this looks like yet another case of animal abuse. It diverts attention away from the real cases of animal mistreatment that need attention.
Eric,
As long ago as 10 November 2015, this story appeared on the ABC Rural in Australia-
“New Zealand vaccine to reduce cattle methane emissions for dairy and beef industry reaches testing stage”.
I don’t know what has happened since.
I think the latest is to feed cows seaweed, maybe the iodine kills the fart gas. Strange times we live in.
Instead of attempting to change the natural food of cows, maybe we should just start making hamburgers out of manata …er… womanatees?
CH4 + 2O2 = CO2 + 2H2O is an exothermic reaction. Actually quite a strongly exothermic reaction. It’s the reaction that cooks my meals on the gas stove, heats the water in my hot water tank, and keeps my house comfortable on these winter days. If they have found a way (with newly crafted catalysts?) to make the reaction take place at low ambient temperatures, that does not make the reaction less exothermic.
So, if this catches on, watch out for pastures where the cattle’s heads are on fire.
This immediately brings up a mental image that Middleton is fond of.
These descriptions are framed to alarm and not to inform us. This product would appear more credible if the actual warming caused by methane from a cow, a herd and a country was quantified. Then we would see what 8400% “more potent” and “reduced by [up to] 60%” means in real life.
Since the general atmospheric level is only around 1.8 ppmv, and agricultural ruminants members of a natural cycle anyway (with no net growth, especially considering wild ruminants), I posit a trivial net contribution from any country, much less a herd.
Water vapour competes strongly in every wavelength methane merely dabbles in and overpowers it except perhaps in the stratosphere, where CO2 does useful cooling to space. There’s a bit more carbon dioxide (414 ppmv), so it features in graphs and the strong imagination views it nervously, but it’s still 230 times more abundant than methane.
“Methane is a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2.”
No it isn’t. That’s their first error, the rest is pure bovine excrement.
Translation: Warmists: “We’ve given up on stopping the atmospheric increase of CO2. So now we’re going after methane from burps and farts, in a ‘stylish’ way of course.”
In a few months, brothers Francisco and Patricio Norris will develop a flatulence-oxidation device for cattle. After that, the applications are endless – fart-burners for cows, pigs and chickens, for other large ungulates, wild animals and house pets, and finally… humans!
Given the ease that humans have acquiesced to wearing worthless face masks for Covid-19, the adoptions of fart burners, strategically placed in the nether regions, should be a well-accepted next step – they may even become the new fashion
statement.
I look forward to videos of earnest young men and women installing a fart-burner on a bull elephant – well worth the price of admission.
Groan. Groan. Thrice groan.
How much longer must we bear this appalling corruption of science, whereby methane is yet again described as “a very powerful greenhouse gas” by practitioners in other scientific fields, who simply parrot without question this recent pearl of apparent verity from the climate scientology community.
This egregious nugget of ghastly propaganda comes to us courtesy of the IPCC, that august body of shameless activists and charlatans, who have invented a concept known as “Global Warming Potential”, which attempts to ascribe values for the theoretical warming potential of various gases as a multiple of an equivalent mass of carbon dioxide. To those not sufficiently au fait with the science, this may appear to be a reasonable initiative; but, as usual, it is no more than an extremely cynical exercise in deception, for which they should hang their heads in humble disgrace. (The fatuousness of the entire concept is beautifully illustrated by the fact that water, H2O, is not even given a value in this schema, despite the fact that it is the REAL greenhouse gas, quite apart from its many other dominant climatic roles, and that it is “blamed” for a 3X feedback multiplier effect by climate modellers! The enormity of the deception being practised here, and the bare-faced cheek and hubris that goes with it, defies adequate description.)
The difference in their relative effects is explained by the fact that the atmospheric concentration of CO2 is almost at the limit of its air-warming potential (87% of its potential effects at 1000ppm, which is 250 years away), whereas there is so little methane that its current minuscule effect could possibly (but not at all probably) rise to a marginally less minuscule effect if its concentration rose appreciably. Given that CO2 in the atmosphere is currently 240 times more abundant than methane (CH4), under what planetary circumstances should we expect that the concentration of methane would suddenly escalate into comparative significance?
I’ll answer that rhetorical question before a troll turns up with some rabid assertion – the answer is nil, nul, zero, f**k-all, chance that methane concentrations will alter to a point that they could make any reckonable difference on a planet that has hosted methane for billions of years.
If some people want to shut down the livestock industry for their own ethical reasons, let them say so – it’s their right. But pretending that minor ruminant emissions are a factor of any significance in climate matters is so ludicrous that it doesn’t even bear consideration by serious persons of science.
Is it any wonder that sensible folk don’t take churnalists seriously?
The level of methane in the air is very low: around 1800 ppb, or 0.004% of the level of CO2 in the atmosphere, and it changes very little. Its residence time in air is low: at most a few months. So what this company is doing is silly and totally unnecessary.
wonder how good the ulcers and sores will feel for the cows soft nose areas? and then the flies and bugs that can get under to bite lay eggs etc
close to THE most stupid invention ever
It would be better to mandate these for politicians & bureaucrats.
The fundamental question here, notwithstanding the fact that this article is udder nonsense, is the accuracy and meaning of the statement CH4 is (894%) more powerful than CO2 as a greenhouse gas. An exhaustive search of the literature available on the internet produced no articles or explanation of the physics and chemistry showing just how CH4 is more powerful than CO2. Does this mean it emits 84 times as much energy per than CO2 when irradiated with infrared in the respective wavelengths of the various “greenhouse gases?” And lest not forget the big “greenhouse gas.” water vapor or H2O. In the absence of such a scientific explanation I asked my associate, Bud Bromley, to explain. Bud is the absolute best analytical physical chemist I have ever worked with in 40 years.
Bud’s thoughtful explanation follows:
The short answer is that no other greenhouse gas is absorbing at CH4’s LWIR wavelength. If water vapor has already absorbed the LWIR coming up from the surface, then that radiation is not there to be absorbed by CO2 or CH4.
In the case of CO2, most of the LWIR emitted by earth’s is absorbed by water vapor because water vapor is 10 times more concentrated and the absorption bands overlap. But water vapor is not absorbing much LWIR at the main absorption wavelengths of CH4 around 7.69 microns.
The LWIR absorption bands are different among the different greenhouse gases because the dipole moments of the molecules are different, which means the vibration modes are different for each gas molecule. The C-0 bonds in CO2 have different vibration frequencies compared to the H-0 bonds in water vapor and compared to the C-H bonds in CH4. These different vibrational frequencies correspond to the wavelengths/frequencies of LWIR that are definitively characteristic of each gas molecule. If the spectrum of one of the pure greenhouse gases is taken at low concentration, that spectrum will be one or more straight lines at precisely known, experimentally measured, and precise wavelengths. As the pressure increases, either by adding more of that pure gas or adding other atmospheric gases, the straight lines become spread out bell curves and then as pressure increases further blobs spread over many wavelengths … due to collisions …collision induced absorption (CIA). The absorption bands are spreading and forming “wings” centered around the original absorption line. H20 vapor at STP in air is ~10 times more concentrated that CO2 and ~200 times more concentrated that CH4. The absorption lines of H20 vapor are spread out into a blob that extends over a broad range of the LWIR spectrum. This blob overlaps with the two main LWIR absorption bands of CO2…thus CO2 absorption is relatively weak. But the CH4 line around 7.69 microns is in a region where H2O vapor absorption is declining.
The processes of absorption and emission are the same in H2O, CO2 and CH4. The characteristic wavelengths/frequencies of each molecule is determined by the various dipole moments of the vibrations of the atoms relative to each other within the molecule. BUT, detecting the IR light which is absorbed and emitted by the molecules is an entirely different matter complicated by the temperature/pressure and the other gas molecules. CH4 in normal air STP at the surface is easily measured by an IR spectrometer. CO2 Is not easily measured, because water vapor in normal air is absorbing most of the IR radiation.
Further detail:
One of CH4’s main IR absorption bands is ~ 7.69 microns. This band does not overlap with the IR absorption bands of water vapor or CO2. The bands of CO2 mostly overlap with water vapor and water vapor concentration is of course much 10X or more higher than CO2, so water vapor cancels out most CO2 absorption and almost all radiative emission from CO2 is absorbed by water vapor.
In fact, it is extremely difficult or impossible to measure by IR spectroscopy the atmospheric concentration of CO2 due to the presence of water vapor in a normal air sample. The air sample must be dried first or the CO2 is converted to CH4 by passing it over a catalyst.
As you already know, the IR absorption of CH4 has undetectable effect on temperature and climate because its concentration is so low. While it is true that CH4 on a molecule by molecule comparison with CO2 will absorb and re-emit 20 to 30 times more intensity (watt/m^2) of IR, it is also true that CO2 is 200 times more concentrated in air than CH4. Furthermore, all CH4 in air spontaneously combines with O2 at STP in collisions in the presence of trace Cl2 as catalyst over the oceans to form CO2. Ultimately, CH4 converted (oxidized) in this way is the largest source of atmospheric CO2. CH4 exists in 50-60 times higher concentration as gaseous CH4 in ocean, controlled by Henry’s Law constant, just as CO2 is. But the CH4 emitted by oceans converts to CO2.
Both gases are continuously outgassed at the surface of ocean water and re-absorbed at the surface of ocean water and a partition rate determined by temperature, pressure and salinity at the surface. However, in air trace concentration CH4 collides with high concentration of O2 in the presence of Cl2 and concerts to CO2 and H20. In other words, the lifetime of CH4 is air is short, which is another reason CH4 has no significant warming effect.
I have been arguing against AGW from the basis of Atomic, Molecular and Optical physics (AMO) for over 30 years. The myriad theoretical assumptions (e.g. blackbody radiation) and the math involved in the physics of weather change and earth’s energy balance results mostly in glazed over eyes of listeners and readers. I believe AMO is a far more understandable, known and more certain basis for argument than the overlapping and less understood theories of climatology.
Roy Spencer pointed out over a decade ago that radiative emissions from greenhouse gases do not result in positive feedback (or positive climate forcing) which is assumed in climate models and that this mistake was a reason climate models were notoriously wrong.
Looking at AMO, the sequence of: (1) infrared emission (IR) from the surface (2) absorption of that IR by a greenhouse gas molecule in air, (3) near instantaneous collision of that greenhouse gas molecule most probably with a non-IR-absorbing N2 or O2 molecule, and (4) emission of that IR from that greenhouse molecule in a pulse into 3D Steradian space, means that the intensity (watts/m^2) of that IR radiative emission received at any subsequent point is at least 50% less than the intensity absorbed initially at the greenhouse gas molecule. The intensity is further reduced by the inverse square of the distance between the emitting greenhouse gas molecule and receiving point. In sum, it is a cascade of emission-absorption-collision-emission sequences progressively dividing the intensity of the LWIR by more than 50% in each subsequent sequence of events. Radiative emissions of IR from greenhouse gas molecules reaching earth’s surface are minor, infinitely small if any, since the density of air and IR absorbing molecules are increasing a, and the collision frequency is increasing, thus the rate of progressive Steradian divisions of intensity is increasing, as the earthward-direct radiation approaches the surface.
Similar to approaching a wall by taking steps in succession with each step 50% of the distance to wall, you never reach the wall.
Consider one of several exceptional situations: a greenhouse gas molecule moving in air at the velocity commensurate with the surrounding air temperature and density and only one wavelength distance above the surface. The surface is non-coherently radiating across a broad spectrum of IR light, but the molecule only absorbs coherently at its characteristic IR wavelengths/frequencies until its quantum bands are saturated. The molecule’s velocity does not change due to either the absorption or emission events, therefore these events are not thermal events; radiative absorption and emission by greenhouse gases are not thermal events in AMO. The energy increase within the greenhouse gas molecule is potential not kinetic. The atoms within the greenhouse gas molecule are vibrating relative to each other at a higher frequency due to the absorption and a lower frequency after emission, but the vector velocity of the gas molecule in air does not change. Following a collision, an IR pulse is emitted and the gas molecule relaxes to its ground state. A 100% reversible energy transition has occurred between absorption and emission, conserving the laws of thermodynamics. But the IR intensity received at the surface (only one IR wavelength away and a only fraction of a second later) following the radiative emission is only about half the intensity that was originally received at the same, characteristic IR wavelengths. IR received off axis is at longer wavelengths determined by its solid Steradian angle and is at more than 50% reduced intensity. Meanwhile, the surface is still non-coherently emitting IR at the same spectrum of wavelengths/frequencies but at much higher intensity than the gas molecule’s pulse. In a probability distribution, the tiny coherent one wavelength pulse of coherent IR from the gas molecule probably will be harmonically cancelled by much more intense IR emission from the surface which are 180 degrees out of phase with the LWIR pulse from the molecule. Thus, in the most likely case for radiative emission of IR downward toward earth’s surface, the IR radiative emission from the gas molecule never reaches the surface even if it is very near earth’s surface.
Thus IR emissions from the surface into the atmosphere and eventually into space are cooling the surface of the earth, not warming. The concentration of greenhouse gases above the surface does not warm the surface by radiative emissions but delays the rate of cooling of the atmosphere due to LWIR emission from gases into space. The same will be true for any greenhouse gas.
That’s how I see it.
Correction to my typo. Paragraph 1, line 2 should be 84% not 894%.
“Bud’s thoughtful explanation follows:
The short answer is that no other greenhouse gas is absorbing at CH4’s LWIR wavelength(s).”
Bud is correct. My addition, wavelength(s). This is the answer and when you explain this to true believers you get shouted down.
Has no one twigged, or followed the links back, to find that this is, indeed, a spoof by three Risk College of Art?
https://www.rca.ac.uk/business/innovationrca/start-companies/zelp-zero-emissions-livestock-project/
Apologies for autocorrect error: the Royal College of Art.
I’m not so sure now. If this is tongue in cheek it’s can week done.
Damn well done. Bloody autocorrect again!!!
If cow burps are destroying the planet, why didn’t buffalo burps destroy the planet during all those centuries when they were wandering around in herds of a million?
Exactly. Remember, too, that there are currently millions of natural ruminants roaming the grasslands.
cow masks… a solution looking for a problem.
with stories like this, who needs the babylonbee.
i have this theory that people are getting dumber and dumber and dumber…