“New Dark Age Cometh”: Nobel Prize Biochemist Cancelled for Covid-19 Wrongthink

Michael Levitt
2013 Nobel Prize Winner and Stanford Professor Michael Levitt. By Bengt Nyman from Vaxholm, Sweden – Flickr: IMG_7539, CC BY 2.0, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t James Delingpole / Brietbart; 2013 Nobel Prize winning Stanford Biophysicist Michael Levitt has been disinvited from a bio-design conference, because other speakers threatened to quit rather than share a stage with a Covid-19 heretic.

Delingpole: Nobel Winner Michael Levitt Cancelled for Coronavirus Wrongthink

JAMES DELINGPOLE
20 Oct 2020

A Nobel Prize-winning chemist and Stanford professor has been cancelled for wrongthink on coronavirus.

Professor Michael Levitt, who won the Nobel prize for Chemistry in 2013, was due to be the keynote speaker in December at a virtual conference on his areas of special expertise – computational biology and biodesign.

But the First International Biodesign Research Conference withdrew his invitation – according to Levitt because they had received ‘too many calls’ from other speakers ‘threatening to quit’ because of his views on Chinese coronavirus. He has long maintained that the threat is overblown and that ‘we’re going to be fine.’

Read more: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/20/delingpole-nobel-winner-michael-levitt-cancelled-for-coronavirus-wrongthink/

Remember a few decades ago when it was OK to disagree with someone? How can science possibly progress if nobody is allowed to disagree, if any dissent from group think is punished by social exclusion and bullying?

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John Tillman
October 21, 2020 6:10 am

Science survived the Roman Inquisition. Not sure it will survive Consensus Cancel Culture.

philincaliforrnia
Reply to  John Tillman
October 21, 2020 6:26 am

Oh it will. The Laws of Nature will still be the Laws of Nature whatever the half-wits, other assorted idiots, parasites and liars do on the side.

PMHinSC
Reply to  philincaliforrnia
October 21, 2020 9:12 am

“Oh it will” [survive Consensus Cancel Culture.]

That will, however, be little consolation for the generations left in the wilderness.

Greg
Reply to  philincaliforrnia
October 21, 2020 10:30 am

The end of the age of enlightenment is upon us.

Mike S
Reply to  Greg
October 23, 2020 7:54 am

Would that make the coming age the “endarkenment”?

Hivemind
Reply to  philincaliforrnia
October 21, 2020 8:38 pm

Remember Lysenko?

Sara
Reply to  John Tillman
October 21, 2020 9:41 am

Well, Free Speech just went flying out the window. I don’t buy into the panic-attack mindset that has come out of the CV19 invasion, but I’m not stupid about it, either. Its damaging properties are documented, it isn’t “just another cold virus”, and eventually, we’ll get a vaccine for it.

Meantime, I don’t want it any more than I want to get hit by tetanus. I detest being sick, period.

icisil
Reply to  Sara
October 21, 2020 10:34 am

Eventually.

Patient In AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine Trial Dies
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/patient-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-trial-dies

CGarner
Reply to  icisil
October 21, 2020 11:50 am

Ok so the patient that died DID NOT get the vaccine just normal saline injection. That is not what killed the person. Millions of dehydrated people get that on hospital admission.

Reply to  icisil
October 21, 2020 12:08 pm

From the link:

Update (1340ET): AZ has just revealed that the patient who died received a placebo, not the actual vaccine.

icisil
Reply to  Writing Observer
October 21, 2020 2:19 pm

I wonder if their placebo is like other vaccine trial placebos than include all of the same toxic ingredients as the live vaccine, but without the biologic component. That way they can hide adverse reactions to the real vaccine (“see, both groups had the same adverse reactions”).

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  icisil
October 21, 2020 3:37 pm

icisil, you don’t have to wonder in this case. The placebo was a meningitis vaccine. Its adverse reactions (well, lack thereof) are well-understood.

Maybe turn your wonderment away from stupid conspiracies.

icisil
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
October 21, 2020 4:25 pm

Anaphylaxis, a known, but rare side effect, doesn’t sound like “lack thereof”.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
October 22, 2020 4:19 am

icisil is NOT a conspiracy theorist
I have looked into drug/vaccine trials and found the placebo to NOT be inert saline but as he stated another usually similar drug that HIDES the adverse events by that exact subterfuge
“see the placebo side had XYZ adverse events also so its not our new drug.
its a dirty trick/misleading subterfuge and shouldnt be allowed to occur

Philo
Reply to  icisil
October 21, 2020 5:52 pm

One of the pitfalls of a double blind study- people are blind to the facts.
In my opion, it is completely UNETHICAL to run such a test on diseases that have more than a slight chance of fatality.

We don’t need to knowingly kill some participants when we can discover much the same thing without purposely risking death. It isn’t as neat statistically, but in this case the testees get split into 3-4 groups. One group takes the likely most effective based on smaller test, and the same is applied to the other three drugs. If someone get ill or doesn’t start to get better during a fixed period they get switched to the next most successful drug.

That includes the testees for the official test drug. It if doesn’t show some effectiveness on a patient that person gets switched to another test drug at whatever dose seems to be working.

No one will be intentionally exposed to no treatment at all.

This protocol is unlikely to be worse than any other. Some 20-50% of drug trials show a placebo can “cure” people.

n.n
Reply to  Sara
October 21, 2020 10:42 am

Most of the deaths can be attributed to planned exposure of at risk individuals in senior care facilities in New York and New Jersey, and social contagion spread by the press that denied and stigmatized early treatments. SARS-CoV-2 is contagious (Ro ~2), deadly even, but the progress of Covid-19 could and can be mitigated through affordable ~$20, available treatments. We have vaccine 2.0 (i.e. cloned antibodies), the disease will not progress in most people, and the early (i.e. outpatient) treatments have proven effective around the world. There is no need to wait for a vaccine 1.0.

Editor
Reply to  n.n
October 21, 2020 3:13 pm

I am in cautious agreement with you. I wish that the “experts” around the world had shown a hint of actual expertise by exploring the patterns of the disease’s progress, as it progressed, and had quickly realised that (a) the people in need of protection were the elderly and those with certain health issues, (b) the best way to protect those people was to make it easier for us (I am one) to protect ourselves, eg. by community awareness campaigns and continuously up-to-date information, (c) the infection spreads differently in different age groups (almost not at all in young children, for example) and (d) there is a difference between (i) infections and (ii) hospitalisations or deaths, and if (i) goes up a lot that’s a good thing if (ii) doesn’t.
Good information on HCQ, Vit D3, social distancing, hand washing, masks, etc, etc, would have been so incredibly useful if it had been given early, and with the warning that the information would change over time as more was learnt about the virus. In other words, treat us all like grown-ups not serfs.
If I had started to realise all of this quite early on, why couldn “experts” see none of it? I can give an exact date – the Tuesday after Easter – when I said to anyone who would listen that our (Australian) authorities had got it wrong.

Paakene
Reply to  Sara
October 21, 2020 11:14 am

Are you sure about the “stupid” part? This novel virus has not been isolated according to CDC July report, so that presents difficulties for developing a vaccine to cure something that has not been quantified.

CGarner
Reply to  Paakene
October 21, 2020 11:56 am

Not sure about your reading of that report. A Canadian team at Sunny Brook Research isolated a strain of the virus 🦠 on 13 March 2020. The Chinese well before that.

JR Port
Reply to  CGarner
October 21, 2020 7:09 pm

Actually, that CDC report sounds about as accurate as everything else from the CDC on CCP-Virus.

Lurker Pete
Reply to  CGarner
October 23, 2020 7:45 am

“A Canadian team at Sunny Brook Research isolated a strain of the virus”

It may have been reported in the media, but that doesn’t make it so!

Extensice FOI requests to confirm the virus has been isolated with Sunnybrook (and others) reveal the media to have reported erroniously…

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/university-of-toronto-sunnybrook-hsc-have-no-record-of-covid-19-virus-isolation/

Sara
Reply to  Sara
October 21, 2020 11:28 am

Not the first and likely won’t be the last. Not all people respond the same way to vaccines. Poor soul may have been more sensitive to the bug than others. But it is sad, nonetheless.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Sara
October 21, 2020 1:46 pm

Sara we don’t need a vaccine for a virus when 99.7% of the people that catch it fully recover. 85% of the people infected with the virus are symptom free and don’t know they are infected. The second part means you won’t be able to stop everyone catching it eventually. It is hard to not pass on an infection when you don’t know you have it. We know who is at risk, so let’s just protect the vulnerable and get back to work.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
October 21, 2020 2:48 pm

If we’ve come all these millennia without a method for eliminating the common cold, how can we expect to eliminate this uncommon cold within a year or so? — just let the Covid-19 virus mitigate the virility of its DNA as it and the world’s population become assimilated to one another.

If humans overly keep interfering with the natural progression of pandemics, we may eventually experience a weakened gene-pool that will succumb in larger numbers to some future pandemic.

AntonyIndia
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
October 21, 2020 10:51 pm

Makes total sense.

acementhead
Reply to  Sara
October 22, 2020 2:26 pm

Sara at 11:28 am October 21, 2020

said

Not all people respond the same way to vaccines. Poor soul may have been more sensitive to the bug than others.

Read more carefully. He was in the ‘control'(placebo) arm of the trial. He did not receive any of “the bug”(unless the trial was very poorly carried out). Furthermore, it appears from other comments here that the ‘placebo’ was not completely inert, a possible confounding factor.

Barbara
Reply to  Sara
October 21, 2020 2:04 pm

UN System

World Health Organization, (WHO)

Est. 1948
Category: Specialized Agencies

Articles
https://www.unsystem.org/content/who

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
October 21, 2020 6:09 pm

And,

UNECE, 2020

COVID-19 News & Press Releases

Webpage: Various COVID-19 topics.

Articles
https://www.unece.org/info/media/covid-19-news-press-releases.html

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
October 22, 2020 2:20 am

And,

UN System

Economic Commission for Europe, (UNECE)

Articles
https://www.unsystem.org/search/node/Economic+Commission+for+Europe

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
October 22, 2020 12:51 pm

United Nations System

United Nations Information Centres, (UNIC)

List includes many international/country locations.

Webpage
https://www.unsystem.org/search/node/unic

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
October 22, 2020 4:38 pm

UN iLibrary, 2020

“Papers”, index

Papers, Journals, Periodicals and Working Papers and Policy Papers

Webpage
https://www.un-ilibrary.org/papers

UN-iLibrary News, 2020

Includes” Publications on Coronavirus (COVID-19)”

Webpage
https://www.un-ilibrary.org/news

The above resources should be enough to locate UN information along with UN “DAG” Library resources.

Megs
Reply to  Barbara
October 21, 2020 11:01 pm

Barbara,

I have been respectful to you, do I not deserve to be shown the same level of respect? I took the time, a great deal of time, to point out to you the lack of real science for decades now, that it is being shut down. This very post should scream to you that I was telling you the truth. Or did you even bother to read it?

The links that you post here are nothing new to this site. You are and choose to remain ignorant.

I understand why the scientists on this site would have never responded to you, to say they have been treated badly is an understatement. You, and the people you represent are set on destroying the planet with renewables, and it has nothing to do with AGW.

You are a coward Barbara, afraid to have a conversation, not that you have presented any new information here with your infolinks.

Barbara
Reply to  Megs
October 22, 2020 12:50 am

To begin with I don’t represent anyone or any organizations. And I don’t belong to the renewable energy “crowd” either, and I’m not associated with any of them in anyway.

And I don’t expect replies to what I have posted at this website.

Megs
Reply to  Barbara
October 22, 2020 3:10 am

“To begin with I don’t represent anyone or any organizations. And I don’t belong to the renewable energy “crowd” either, and I’m not associated with any of them in anyway.

And I don’t expect replies to what I have posted at this website.”

Then what is the point of your posting these links Barbara? Seriously, this is not a trick question.

Now, I don’t even know if you’re a real person, there’s a good chance that you are a troll. For all I know, this is just a setup to have a laugh at my expense. I don’t care Barbara, my desire to know the truth has come at a high cost to me personally. I need to believe that there is some way to reach ordinary people. Journalists have a lot to answer for.

Just ask questions Barbara, lots of them, don’t ‘trust the science’ and please read the main content of this post and try to understand why it’s such a serious issue.

Barbara
Reply to  Megs
October 22, 2020 9:13 am

Links can be a means of bypassing the MSM and obtaining “original” sources of information.

Some sources/documents contain names so links are another way of avoiding any problems.

I’m not a troll and it’s good that you checked things out.

We all need to ask a lot of questions. By the way, I did read your post.

Damiel kampo
Reply to  Megs
October 24, 2020 6:03 pm

Right ON 😂😂😂😂😀😀

Damiel kampo
Reply to  Megs
October 24, 2020 6:10 pm

Megs your !!!!!!! Right on 😁😁

Damiel kampo
Reply to  Barbara
October 24, 2020 6:04 pm

DBarb you are wepoins Gread STUPED 😁😁😁😁

Tired Old Nurse
Reply to  Sara
October 21, 2020 4:14 pm

Have you ever seen someone tetanus? I have. It is an ugly, horrifying disease? Ever seen someone with Covid? I have. They were on O2 and we performed supporting measures. What an idiotic statement to make.

Fran
Reply to  Tired Old Nurse
October 21, 2020 5:20 pm

My dad saw one case in a situation where deep anaesthesia and artificial ventilation was not possible. We got our tetanus vaccine regularly after that.

Reply to  Tired Old Nurse
October 21, 2020 6:04 pm

I had and recovered from Covid. Your statement is disingeneous at best. I suggest last weeks article on the variety of T-Cells efficacy might do wonders for your ignorance

acementhead
Reply to  Sara
October 22, 2020 5:06 pm

Sara said

…the CV19 invasion, but I’m not stupid about it, either. Its damaging properties are documented, …

The harm from CV19 is at least an order of magnitude less than the governments claimed even when measured in just”fatalities”. When properly measured, in the only way that makes any sense, by Quality-Adjusted Life-Years(QALY) lost, it is probbaly approaching three orders of magnitude less damaging than the criminal ‘authorities’ claimed.

Properly measured, in QALY lost, CV19 is MUCH less harmful than seasonal ‘flu.

Sara stop believing the alarmists. The Climate Change fraud was much too slow-acting; they weren’t getting sufficient traction so they ramped it up enormously with the CV19 panic.

Dendrite
Reply to  John Tillman
October 21, 2020 12:48 pm

The inquisition had nothing to do with science. It had to do with religious questions, and no, your hippie history that told you that the “Roman” inquisition deterred science was not correct.

Javier
Reply to  Dendrite
October 22, 2020 2:34 am

That’s correct. The inquisition was a religious and political institution, and science was not in its agenda.

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  John Tillman
October 21, 2020 5:19 pm

This reminds me of when one of the world’s foremost experts on polar bears, Dr. Mitchell Taylor, was disinvited from a meeting of the Polar Bear Specialist Group (PBSG) of The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN). For 22 years Dr. Taylor had been a member of both the IUCN Species Survival Commission and the Polar Bear Specialists Group, but in 2009, the chairman of the PBSG, (one of his former students, University of Edmonton, Canada Professor Andrew Derocher) disinvited Dr. Taylor via email by because “the position you’ve taken on global warming has brought opposition.”

https://ep.probeinternational.org/2009/06/29/cant-bear-opposition/

Reply to  John Tillman
October 22, 2020 12:37 pm

Of course 2013 Nobel Prize Winner and Stanford Professor Michael Levitt is correct!

It was obvious by early March 2020 that Covid-19 was a relatively mild flu, significantly dangerous only to the very elderly and infirm. I reached that conclusion circa 1March2020 and studied the data for another three weeks before publishing it on 21March2020 – I had to be certain. Willis independently made the same call on the same day – NO FULL-GULAG LOCKDOWN! It was not that difficult a call even back then, but by now it is overwhelmingly obvious – the Swedish “No-Lockdown” experience proves the point.

Anyone who disputes the “No-Lockdown” conclusion at this late stage with all the available data is a scoundrel or an imbecile (or both).

Can someone please publish the names of those who threatened to withdraw if Dr Levitt was not cancelled? Let’s have their names published, so that history will remember their corruption and/or stupidity.

For the record, here is my 21March2020 correct call:

wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/21/to-save-our-economy-roll-out-antibody-testing-alongside-the-active-virus-testing/#comment-2943724
[excerpt- posted 21Mar2020]

“Let’s consider an alternative approach, subject to verification of the above conclusions:
Isolate people over sixty-five and those with poor immune systems and return to business-as-usual for people under sixty-five.
This will allow “herd immunity” to develop much sooner and older people will thus be more protected AND THE ECONOMY WON’T CRASH.”

rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/2020/03/21/end-the-american-lockdown/comment-page-1/#comment-12253
[excerpt- posted 22Mar2020]

“This full-lockdown scenario is especially hurting service sector businesses and their minimum-wage employees – young people are telling me they are “financially under the bus”. The young are being destroyed to protect us over-65’s. A far better solution is to get them back to work and let us oldies keep our distance, and get “herd immunity” established ASAP – in months not years. Then we will all be safe again.”
___________________

The Covid-19 pandemic was over in Canada by end-July2020, when deaths dropped to a very low level – Sweden with NO lockdown followed two weeks later. Watch this video by Ivor Cummins – his Covid-19 conclusions of 8Sep2020 agree with my conclusions of ~21Mar2020, almost 6 months earlier. https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

Did the lockdowns worsen the COVID outbreak? I say yes – definitely!

Sweden correctly did not impose the full-Gulag lockdown and had lower death rates than many countries that did lockdown and has now achieved herd immunity. Forget vaccines, all flu’s in history have died because herd immunity was reached.

Covid-19 was a relatively mild flu, only significantly dangerous to the very elderly and infirm – there was NO need to lockdown the workforce or schools.

The full-Gulag lockdown was an enormous error (or scam?) that squandered trillions of dollars and harmed billions of low-income people. The lockdown trashed the lives of young people to protect those who were typically in the last months of their lives. The lockdown also destroyed millions of businesses worldwide and impoverished their owners.

The lockdown also slowed herd immunity such that the Covid-19 virus will apparently survive into the next flu season.

Social problems multiplied during the lockdown – just one example: In the provinces of BC and Alberta, deaths from opioid overdoes ~doubled during the lockdown, and greatly exceeded total deaths from Covid-19. The average age of Covid-19 deaths in Alberta was 82, whereas the average age of those who died from opioid overdoses was mid-30’s. The death toll, in terms of “years of live lost” was huge. This does not include the toll from increased alcoholism, family violence, job loss, depression and despair, etc. etc.

The Covid-19 lockdown “cure” was far worse than the disease – a total FAIL.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
October 23, 2020 1:27 pm

REPEATING!!!!!

Can someone please publish the names of those who threatened to withdraw if Dr Levitt was not cancelled? Let’s have their names published, so that history will remember their corruption and/or stupidity.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
October 24, 2020 6:08 am

Notice how the leftist “Cancel Culture” is reacting the same way to the Covid-19-Lockdown skeptics as it did to Climate-Change/Global-Warming skeptics?

Specifically, the Cancel Culture refuses to discuss the evidence, baselessly claims the moral high ground, shouts down any opposition, vilifies and cancels skeptics and declares certainty for their incorrect position. These are all classic Leninist false-propaganda tactics, as documented below.

Leading warmists have even linked these two utterly dissimilar phenomena, spouting senseless drivel like “to tackle Covid-19 we also have to tackle climate change”? Remember this point!

By now, there is overwhelming evidence from Sweden that the full-Gulag lockdown for Covid-19 was not necessary, and the lockdown was far more harmful than the disease. Anyone who still argues this point has no supporting evidence and is simply lying or delusional. Covid-19 deaths in Sweden peaked in mid-April2020 and effectively ceased by end-July2020 when herd immunity was reached.

Nothing about the extended lockdown makes sense. The lockdown might have been advisable for a few weeks while we gained understanding about the severity of Covid-19, but it was clear by March2020 that Covid-19 was not going to overwhelm our hospitals and was a relatively mild flu, except for the very elderly and infirm.

I concluded by early March that the full-Gulag Lockdown was NOT necessary, conducted more research for several weeks and published that conclusion with confidence on 21March2020.

The lockdown should not have happened at all, or at a minimum should have been cancelled by late March 2020. Instead, the goalposts were moved and the lockdown was extended for no clear reason, and is still being extended even though it has proven to be a costly debacle.

In Alberta and BC, there were more than twice as many deaths just from opioid poisonings than from Covid-19, and the deaths from opioid poisoning were younger people, versus very elderly people who died from Covid-19. The INCREASE in opioid deaths due to the effects of the Covid-19 lockdown exceeded the TOTAL deaths from the Covid-19 flu!

This above evidence suggest strongly that something is amiss – and that full-Gulag Lockdown for Covid-19 was probably a deliberate scam. Like the catastrophic global warming scam, Covid-19 was never a real crisis, it was hugely overblown by the usual suspects, the lockdown saved no lives but caused enormous economic and social harm and has been artificially promoted to exist far beyond its “best-before” expiry date.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S CURRENT POLICIES ARE THE QUOTES OF VLADIMIR LENIN.
https://www.azquotes.com/author/8716-Vladimir_Lenin
“Truth is the most precious thing. That’s why we should ration it.”
“We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.”
“There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.”
“Free speech is a bourgeois prejudice.”
“The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.”
“People always have been and they always will be stupid victims of deceit and self-deception in politics.”
“It is, of course, much easier to shout, abuse, and howl than to attempt to relate, to explain.”
“Democracy is indispensable to socialism.”
“The goal of socialism is communism.”
“The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.”
“Trust is good, but control is better.”
“As an ultimate objective, “peace” simply means communist world control.”
“One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers Communist and the disarming of the bourgeoisie the middle class.”
“One man with a gun can control 100 without one.”
“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”
“Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.”

Carl Friis-Hansen
October 21, 2020 6:20 am

Was it any different in the USSR.
Mentioning that, Peter Lavelle from CrossTalk at RT discussed this censorship in the west and in Russia. The participants all agreed that Russia no longer this tendency to muffle what can be said and tolerated, where in Europe and USA a descend from the political correctness gets more and more suppressed.
So is Russia becoming more and more free and the industrialized west becoming the new USSR?

Naomi tried to counter this on October 1st 2020 with her letter to the head of the EU government.

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
October 21, 2020 6:36 am

Widely correct what she wrote, chapeau !

Greg
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 21, 2020 10:30 am

Those who label their activism as
“progressive” promote windmills – 14th-century technology to address a 21st-century non-
problem.

Sounds like this was written by Monckton, not our lovable tutonic heroine.

We are not using windmills since we are not milling grain. They are wind-turbine generators using very modern technology for both composite materials for the blades and rare earth magnets in the generators.

We could equally decry that getting our energy from burning stuff is stone-age technology.

I’m not making a defense of wind generation which I don’t think is a large scale energy solution, but if you are going to write a letter to political leaders don’t start out by writing politicised crap which will ensure that your case is ignored immediately, for what it is : politicised crap.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Greg
October 21, 2020 1:04 pm

Burning stuff may be stone-age technology, but so is propelling a dugout canoe by standing up on a windy day. I’m no expert, but I’m confident our forebears considered the former technology to be a much more reliable source of energy relative to the latter, a trait that has not changed with the introduction of “composite materials for the blades or rare earth magnets in the generators”. Btw, the only thing politicians understand is politics – once they perceive there are more teutonic heroines than, say, nordic heroines, no amount of junk science will be able to prop up the CAGW-driven renewable energy narrative.

whiten
Reply to  Greg
October 21, 2020 3:24 pm

Greg
October 21, 2020 at 10:30 am

Mills either air water or wind are old technology.
Turbines are rather late modern technology.

So far we have air turbines, steam turbines, water turbines etc.
But outside the experimental air tunnels we do not have yet wind turbines.

This term as you put it exists only as a matter of some modern weird speech.

Main difference of mills versus turbines is rotation speed.
Your supposed wind turbines no any near the rotation speed for a qualification as turbines.
They simply modern windmills.
The max operational speed far to low.
Besides these are the unique weirdest air “turbines” “species”, in consideration of speed, shape and size.
But fit very well within the air mill species… even as a modern evolved kind.

But you free to call them whatever you like Greg.

cheers

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Greg
October 21, 2020 3:48 pm

“They are wind-turbine generators using very modern technology for both composite materials for the blades and rare earth magnets in the generators. ”

But but but… I thought that wind was RENEWABLE?! What happens when we run out of magnets?

Also the idea that we are not longer milling is misleading. We still mill our grains, just very rarely by using windmills. (also, while we are on the topic and playing with words, all those ‘windmills’ you see in picture postcards of the Low Countries? Not milling.) Milling is now done at an industrial scale because wind power alone simply cannot handle the volumes required. Windmills did not ‘stop’, they became replaced by something that worked better.

In the context of wind turbines we need to consider why we are using it. The normal arguments are:
– Wind is free
– It is renewable
– It is cheaper (aka Wind is a more efficient method of power generation)

The free can probably be linked to the cheaper claim, but ‘renewable’ is basically an ethical choice based on the feels. However all three still need to be considered against objective debate over if these claims are true or not.

(spoiler – they are false)

Harry Davidson
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 7:12 am

My understanding is that the Russian ‘Official’ climate model gives far far less weight to CO2 and therefore does not predict the runaway warming of many other models. As the Russian economy is built on oil and gas sales it is hardly surprising that their officialdom favours this model, and it is no sense rocking the boat for a Russian scientist to agree with its predictions.

It even looks like it’s right too, a minor inconsequential bonus in climate science.

Enginer01
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 7:55 am

This all would be just humor if the cost of preparing for warming when we should be preparing for 40-50 years of cooling is tragic.

An example is agriculture. While CO2 will probably continue to rise for a while even as cold spells become more prevalent, we should recognize that high agricultural yields may have more to do with increased CO2 rather than (Roundup)-like Hybridization.

We should already be studying (like the Incas did) which seed type adapt best to lower temperatures.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 8:49 am

Such “Russian interference” with the Left’s climate scam is easy when the West’s scientists are everyday making bald-faced lies about Climate Change and their alaramist rhetoric alarmism.

The Western Leftists like to call it “disinformation” what the Russians are doing. But it is not, by definition, disinformation if it is true or factually correct information. They Russians simply have to show the truth to the Gas-lighting operation the Leftists are attempting in order to score psychological warfare battles.

Such PsyOps campagins by the Russians are easy when they’ve largely got the truth on their side that the Libtards are trying hide.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s the Western Leftists’ climate scam, or John Podesta’s hacked emails (2016), or the DNC/Clinton campaign emails showing dirty tricks against Bernie Sanders, or today’s Hunter Biden emails showing the Grifter Biden Family in action in influence peddling racket.

The Left makes it easy for the Russia’s PysOps campaign when the Left is lying to the American people (and to the West’s public in general about climate change). Becasue then the Leftards can’t claim they aren’t accurate. Similarly, Nature doesn’t care if the Leftard Climate PsedoScientists like the IPCC climate models, or Mann and Hayhoe are lying. Nature is proving them wrong and they just double down, making the Russians and their climate model look that much more credible.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 8:49 am

“My theory is the Russian divergence started with the casual dismissal by Mann and Briffa in 1998 of Russian dendrochronologist Rashit Hantermirov’s advice that the Yamal tree ring samples were not evidence of unusual 20th century warning.”

But, they finally found ONE tree that showed them what they wanted. No way they were giving that up.

StephenP
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 9:02 am

Has anyone suggested re-sampling trees on the Yamal Peninsula, as the results could bring some light into this matter.

bob sykes
Reply to  Harry Davidson
October 21, 2020 8:01 am

Russia runs trade surpluses even when gas and oil are subtracted out, although gas and oil are by far the biggest foreign exchange earners. Other big earners are agriculture. Russia is currently the largest wheat exporter in the world. Overall, the Russia economy is somewhat larger than Germany’s, and it is actually produces a more diverse array of products than either Germany’s or ours. That is one advantage of sanctions; they force self-sufficiency.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  bob sykes
October 21, 2020 10:17 am

what are you on about??
Russia’s economy is smaller than that of ITALY!
Sanctions force self sufficiency?? Come over and spend a week here and see how you like it!! FFS!
What is this bloody nonsense from people who are not even there?

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  bob sykes
October 21, 2020 6:02 pm

Absolutely true. Russia’s total GDP = $1.657 trillion, Italy’s $1.989 trillion. Yet Russia has 147 million people on 6,601,670 sq mi land to Italy’s 60.3 million people on 116,350 sq mi land – and Russia’s land has an abundance of natural resources unparalleled in the world.

Russia is not a credible threat to the world.

DHR
Reply to  Harry Davidson
October 21, 2020 8:17 am

Mr. Davidson,

You are correct that the Russian model (designated INM5 I believe) gives far less weight to the influence of CO2, but I believe your reasoning arises from conspiracy thinking rather than knowledge. The Russian model gives temperature estimates which are very close to UAH satellite measurements and independent balloon measurements and also much lower than other model estimates. It seems so far at least, the Russian model is correct while the others are not regardless of the Russian economic policies.

Harry Davidson
Reply to  DHR
October 21, 2020 2:04 pm

DHR: Having confirmed the major points of my post, I fail to see how they arise from ‘conspiracy thinking’. That the Russian Govt. has given its support to this model is a matter of fact, that it suits their economic purposes for this model to prevail also appears to be correct. There is no ‘conspiracy thinking’ in arguing from facts, OK, I was somewhat lighthearted. How does that marginalize the argument?

Jean Parisot
Reply to  DHR
October 21, 2020 6:59 pm

Does the INM5 model predict humidity or precipitation?

Reply to  DHR
October 22, 2020 11:34 am

Yes, INMCM5 does both temperature and precipitation projections. Published July 2020:

“Climate changes in 2015–2100 have been simulated with the use of the INM-CM5 climate model following four scenarios: SSP1-2.6, SSP2-4.5, and SSP5-8.5 (single model runs) and SSP3-7.0 (an ensemble of five model runs). Changes in the global mean temperature and spatial distribution of temperature and precipitation are analyzed. The global warming predicted by the INM-CM5 model in the scenarios considered is smaller than that in other CMIP6 models. It is shown that the temperature in the hottest summer month can rise more quickly than the seasonal mean temperature in Russia. An analysis of a change in Arctic sea ice shows no complete Arctic summer ice melting in the 21st century under any model scenario. Changes in the meridional stream function in atmosphere and ocean are studied.”
Details and discussion at
https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2020/07/24/best-climate-model-mild-warming-forecasted/

bonbon
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 7:53 am

Looking for kodos from Buckingham ?
——–
After seven months of feeling cooped up in her tiny Buckingham Castle, Queen Elizabeth II decided to leave her self-imposed COVID-19 bubble on Oct. 15 for an outing, her first in seven months. Where did the monarch go? Was it the Ladies’ Society for the Advancement of Learning? A hospital for the poor and needy? A gathering of recovered COVID-19 patients?
No, the Queen went to the nefarious and highly secretive Porton Down chemical and biological weapons lab hidden near Salisbury, England.
In her visit, in which she was accompanied by her grandson Prince William, second heir to the throne, after she toured the top secret Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, and the lab’s new Energetics Analysis Center, she presented Porton Down and soldiers with an award, the Firmin Sword of Peace, one of the highest military accolades. Specifically, it was awarded to the 102nd Logistic Brigade. Why? For their role in their handling and identifying Novichok as the nerve agent that was allegedly used to poison Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in March 2018.
———-
Porton Down is the lab that also “confirmed” Berlin’s Navalny Novichok report.
Taking tea at the Palace could be a novel experience, what?

bonbon
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 8:34 am

As Einstein said keep the theory simple, but not too simple.

Putin does not run the entire planet. As he said ironically the western narrative “plays right into his hands”.

ak in vt
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 9:35 am

Why would Putin have waited so long to get rid of the ex-spy? What does Putin care about a low-level spy? He would never been allowed to leave Russia and remain in Britain for so long if he had been important. Thus, the simpler theory is that someone else wanted him out of the picture — or wanted to raise money for the war machine and MI-6 — by scaring the people of the western world.

Simply put, if Putin wanted Skripal dead, he would have done so, and done it efficiently.

Regards

AK in VT

TRM
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 7:15 pm

If Putin wants you dead, you die. That’s as simple as it gets. 🙂

He publicly named 8 people he said were responsible for the Beslan school massacre (350+ dead). He also said “they would all pay for it”. They all died violent deaths shortly thereafter.

Litvenenko? Well he’s dead and it was very personal between him and Putin so I lean towards it being a hit. That said the nightclub Litvenenko went to a week BEFORE he was supposedly poisoned tested positive in 3 places he had been in it. Now that doesn’t let Putin off because if I’m sent to take you out and I know you are smuggling a toxic substance what would I choose to take you out with? The same thing you are smuggling. Plausible deniability.

Skripals? Don’t make me laugh. MI5/6 screwed up so badly and so many ways.
Navalany? At least German intelligence waited 2 weeks so no further tests could be done. Not a GRU/KGB operation.

The old school KGB which fast tracked Putin through the political system, embellished his resume and got him elected doesn’t mess around. Just ask Hezbollah (mid 80’s kidnapping 4 Soviet diplomats). William Engdahl has written some great stuff on “The Rape of Russia” documenting it.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 22, 2020 4:34 am

have to admit if novichok was so deadly?then how come all bar one suposed victim survived? and the cats and guineapigs until porton down killed em well one cat for sure the others by starvation lack of water etc

Alex
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 8:15 am

Well, you follow the groupthink again.
Putin is extremely tolerant and this is true.
No one western leader would tolerate what he tolerates easily.

If anybody did poison Navalny or Skripals, it was not Putin.
I would rather suspect the British in the both cases.
Anyway, it was not a “nerve agent”.
Novitchok is an extremely potent poison. There are only two documentet cases when people were poisoned with Novitchok.
The first one was an accident in the russian lab late in 80-ies.
The guy was very shortly exposed to the vapor.
The antidot was used immediately, so he lived for 5 other years. However, he never could talk or walk properly. Finally he died from a stroke.
In the second case, Novitchok was used by one businesman to poison his enemy.
The guy died imediately.
Anybody who worked on the same office floor were poisoned and died later.
The doctor who did the autopsy smelled his liver and died.
A few hundreds of molecules of Novitchok are sufficient to break your nerve links irreversibly and make you a cripple forever.
The both Skripals are in an excellent condition. They have no problems with speech or coordination.
Navalny looks like after a vacation.
Don’t kid me.
This was not a “nerve agent” in no way.

Alex
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 9:04 am
Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 9:32 am

Why would Putin send his enemies to foreign countries and only half k!ll them, when he could do it so much more effectively and discrete at home?

Why will the Germans not send the evidence to the Russian prosecutors, despite the Putin administration has asked for it again and again. The Russian prosecution cannot get going without these reports.

It is so absurd that it is difficult not to believe that this is an EU/US propaganda sham.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
October 22, 2020 10:01 pm

hey you guys from Приго́жин troll factory in St Petersburg.
You are not welcome to spread your sh.t on WUWT.

Go and spray your crap conspiracy junk somewhere else!

Patrick Healy
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 23, 2020 1:51 am

Well Eric, the Skirpels and Putin’s nemesis have all survived – stopped dying – from exotic accidents involving radio active substances.
To me this means the Russian spies are very bad at their job, or it could be that the British germ warfare spies at Porton Down need to make more toxic materials.
In any case we all heard the convenient cry “The Russians did it”.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Patrick Healy
October 24, 2020 9:01 am

Apart from the 2, f..ckwit GRU jerks who came to view salisbury cathedral all the way on return flights from Moscow, claiming to be innocent tourists were filmed on CCTV, and an innocent woman died from handling the damn potion….AND an equally innocent police officer was also seriously injured….

Hey TROLL FACTORY guys you can’t even spell Skripal properly!

Let’s put it this way.
How long do you think a foreign national will last if they try to lace Lukashenko’s tea with a porton down made germ warfare agent, or say Putin’s famous cook with some Po210 direct from Mayak nuclear plant in Ural?

And how about NEMTSOV or Politovskaya. who WERE murdered on Russian soil with official orders, and where all CCTV were mysteriously turned off??

We are far too tolerant in the west, even permitting trolling of this site by dubious criminals extending their crapshooting out here on Приго́жин’s orders.

Jeffrey H Kreiley
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
October 21, 2020 12:38 pm

The evolution of governments sure resemble a pendulum.

Stephen Skinner
October 21, 2020 6:27 am

What stopped Lysenkoism? It wasn’t rationality or reason, not even when the deaths were stacking up in the millions.

Jacques Lemiere
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
October 21, 2020 7:05 am

reality… lissenkoism was wrong…

TonyG
Reply to  Jacques Lemiere
October 21, 2020 8:35 am

This new round of lysenkoism doesn’t seem to be suffering from the same thing. Not only is reality ignored, but the consequences of ignoring reality are also ignored, or excused by blaming something else.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Jacques Lemiere
October 21, 2020 8:43 am

But it ran it’s full course and no one could stop him. In the end he just fell out of favour long after the time he should have been stopped. Lysenkoism only faded when the ban on criticism of him was lifted in 1960, twenty six years since he first started to influence science in Russia. Even now some are talking favourably of Lysenko.

GoatGuy
October 21, 2020 6:40 am

So, let me see if I got this right. An army of ten, twenty people complained that the Good Doctor’s views on epidemiology and the Novel Coronavirus etiology … are at odds with the running narrative that we’re all gonna die, and it is The Orange Man’s fault. Their threats to pull out of the conference (which, most likely, would have been markedly enriched by their absence anyway…), and the weasels-in-charge took to shivering in anticipation of a conference failure … so cancelled the LAUDED and be-medalled Nobel Prize winning keynote speaker.

The inmates truly are in charge of the penitents.

I’ve always said, that when POLITICS infuses SCIENCE, it is the science that is run into the ground.

No proof more positive than this article.

beng135
Reply to  GoatGuy
October 21, 2020 7:37 am

Science is about finding facts, politics are about obscuring facts. Politics destroys science — witness “climate” science just for one example.

Pat Frank
Reply to  GoatGuy
October 21, 2020 10:13 am

You’ve got it, goatguy. The organizers knew that if they made the professionally ethical decision, they’d lose income.

Michael Levitt was dead-on right about the Covid pandemic.

Crispin in Waterloo
October 21, 2020 6:54 am

The conference organisers are gutless. They should have told those threatening to quit to make their choice with 48 hours, communicate it them and new participants sought.

This is the only way to handle such unprofessional behaviour. There are many qualified people who are quite capable of holding polite, collegial meetings and respectful interchange.

When he is finally shown to have been correct all along, what will these “children” do? Apologize? They should be sent to finishing school for lessons on decorum.

This episode is one example of a systemic institutional failure to act professionally.

Harry Davidson
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 21, 2020 7:13 am

Absolutely.

ROBERT SYKES
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 21, 2020 8:03 am

The appropriate response would have been to cancel the speakers who complained and to blacklist them from future conferences.

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  ROBERT SYKES
October 21, 2020 9:59 am

Should’ve sent the buggers a polite email.
“We’re sorry to hear that you’re cancelling your participation in our upcoming conference. Unfortunately your conference fee is nonrefundable. Also we take this opportunity to remove your name from the list of possible future speakers to avoid having to put you in this situation again. Have a happy life.”

MarkW
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 21, 2020 8:22 am

In my experience, those throwing tantrums like this, rarely mean it. They expect the organizers to back down, and the organizers usually do.

Progressives have been using this technique to cancel anyone they disagree with for decades, at least back to the 80’s.

TonyG
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 21, 2020 8:40 am

A failure that appears to pervade most of our institutions, and which is growing.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 21, 2020 10:15 am

The organizers could merely have said that the complainers were welcome to withdraw, but their conference fees would not be returned. Win-win.

William Wood
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 21, 2020 7:21 pm

The new participants would be attacked upon returning to their institutions with insistence that they be removed from prominence in their departments, that grants be cancelled and peer review reject their articles because they had supported the heretic.

Antero Ollila
October 21, 2020 6:57 am

It is a very worrying development in science that different opinions are not allowed. We, contrarians of climate change science, know this very well.

Covid-18 has changed its nature since the first wave. I take two examples from Finland with 5.5 million population and Sweden with 10.1 million population. Sweden is known that it had minimal counteractions against Covid-19 and its death toll rate up to date has been 5929, which is about 10 times of Finland with 355 deaths. During the first wave, the infected people in Sweden were about 1000/d and the death rate was about 90/d during the most intensive period. The same numbers in Finland were 150/d and 10/d.

Today these numbers are quite different: In Sweden, infected people are about 650/d and the death rate is about 1.5/d. The same numbers in Finland are 200 infected/d and 0.5 deaths/d. It means that Covid-19 in Sweden and Finland is now less dangerous than normal influenza. If a researcher is not allowed to say that, something is terribly wrong in western countries.

Harry Davidson
Reply to  Antero Ollila
October 21, 2020 7:14 am

A scientist who is not a contrarian is a personified oxymoron.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Antero Ollila
October 21, 2020 9:49 am

Please understand that the immigrant population in those Countries is quite different. Where were a majority of cases in Sweden? In the enclaves of immigrants.

Harry Davidson
October 21, 2020 7:14 am

A scientist who is not a contrarian is a personified oxymoron.

Brook HURD
October 21, 2020 7:17 am

In my opinion, the First International Biodesign Research Conference will substantially diminished by the absence of Nobel laureate Michael Levitt. If I were planning to attend the conference, I would cancel my registration and request a refund of all fees paid. I would make it clear to the organizers that a virtual conference lacking a Nobel laureate keynote speaker is not worth the cost of admission

randomengineer
October 21, 2020 7:21 am

Search “Levitt disinvited” and you’ll see that the mainstream media isn’t reporting this. What right thinking people regard as fringe kook news (e.g. breitbart, college fix) are the sources. He’s already been canceled. He doesn’t appear on MSM outlets. He no longer exists. The new dark age isn’t “cometh” at all; it’s here and now and there appears to be no imminent fix.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 21, 2020 7:21 am

When did the hard sciences start attracting the joiners of society? Those clowns who are only comfortable when in a group where everyone believes and thinks exactly the same, right or wrong. It used to be that a bunch of us could gather to discuss our ideas freely without fear of censorship or ridicule. It is outrageous that this man was uninvited to be keynote speaker just because a few other speakers don’t like what he has to say. It is just like in our climate conferences, when alarmists attempt to shut us down because they don’t agree with us.

acementhead
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 22, 2020 2:11 pm

Pamela Matlack-Klein at 7:21 am, October 21, 2020

asked

When did the hard sciences start attracting the joiners of society?

Answer: about 5 to 10 years after Griggs versus Duke power, so somewhere about 1975 to 1980.

Bruce Cobb
October 21, 2020 7:29 am

It’s almost like they took a page directly from the Climate Liars playbook.

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 21, 2020 8:33 am

At the root, they are the same people.

Olen
October 21, 2020 7:43 am

We will punish you if you disagree, with exclusion. They just cheapened the Nobel Prize with the fear that a recognized authority in the field would prove them wrong.

Perhaps it is those who will not listen to another view in science who should be cancelled. Are they worth listening to when they will not listen with objectivity. Politics really is a dirty word.

Esther Cook
October 21, 2020 7:44 am

It’s not just that we’ve let leftists get away with such unAmerican and anti-intellectual activities for too long. THIS one is Coordinated from somewhere. Humanity is being herded. Over some cliff.

TonyG
October 21, 2020 7:48 am

Welcome to the new normal.

Dissent is silenced, not necessarily by decree, but by “consensus” (hm, where have we heard that word before?). You see it not only in the remnants of what used to be “science”, but in daily life. People afraid to speak at work, or in public at all – yes, very much a dark age.

Didn’t people once write about this? I’m not sure, those stories aren’t allowed anymore.

James F. Evans
October 21, 2020 7:55 am

I’ve been pointing out the danger & fallacy of group-think in science for a long time.

Group-think is the death of science.

It’s that simple.

SAMURAI
October 21, 2020 7:56 am

What an Orwellian World the lunatic Left has created.

Science has been replaced with Leftist dogma, free speech replaced with PC speech, freedom of thought replaced with wokeism, individuality replaced with herd mentality, truth replaced with “my truth”, morality replaced with moral relativism, justice replaced with social justice, honest and open debate replaced with cancel culture, freedom of the press replaced with Leftist propaganda, free enterprise replaced with Marxism, freedom of religion replaced with aggressive atheism, perseverance replaced with complacency, law and order replaced with defund the police, peaceful protest replaced with burn F’ing everything down…

No society can long survive such insane Leftist chaos.

MarkW
Reply to  SAMURAI
October 21, 2020 8:43 am
bonbon
October 21, 2020 7:59 am

Why not simply quote, if the discussion starts :
https://consortiumnews.com/2020/10/16/covid-19-the-case-against-herd-immunity/
Marcello Ferrada de Noli has studied Sweden’s response to the virus and advises countries elsewhere to reject the neoliberal model and survive instead.

Marcello Ferrada de Noli is a professor emeritus of epidemiology. Formerly at Karolinska Institute, Sweden, and Harvard Medical School, he chairs Swedish Doctors for Human Rights, or SWEDHR.

Originally published in Spanish warning South America that this new Ikea-wrapped neoliberal concept of democracy, should not be unpacked by countries in Latin-America, Africa and other latitudes. There, a dignified formula for democracy should preclude the Swedish praxis of how – without the participation of the demos (Greek for “people”), those in power exercise the kratos (“rule”) to politically benefit themselves.

Would be a lively discussion, indeed!

bonbon
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 8:41 am

Understood.
Yet what I find good about that article is the warning to South America from a Swedish expert.
Their economies were already devastated by neo-lib policies over decades, and the situation in Ecuador is a dark age.

There is an economic aspect to this, and I do not only mean the lockdown crash. Those with little or no health infrastructure are being devastated. And Africa is in severe famine to boot.

The confusion is likely deliberate, to do something along the lines of Carl Schmitt’s crisis management – throw the constitution out the door. Keep the Reichstagsbrand in mind. It sure clears the fog.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 10:25 am

Even if true, none of that is preventable, Eric.

Best to just get on with it, and do what one can to ameliorate the worst of it.

Pandemics are no excuse for totalitarianism.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 9:21 pm

So far as I recall, Eric, Covid seriously strained only northern Italy, and that was not a unique occurrence there.

Delays only put off the inevitable.

icisil
October 21, 2020 8:01 am

Exactly like climate science; same dynamic at work. The difference, though, and problem for covidian cultists is that this illness is nowhere near as complex as climate is. It’s very simple to look at the mortality numbers and see that covid is not a generally dangerous illness (even with the enormously inflated numbers); it basically follows natural mortality, i.e., every year some illness, mild or otherwise, picks of some percentage of low hanging fruit. So they can’t hide hide behind enormous complexity and unfalsifiable claims like climate scientists can.

Plus the extensive distribution of independent physicians makes it virtually impossible to control the flow of dissenting information (e.g., Great Barrington Declaration, Frontline Doctors, etc). They try to censor, but the information still gets out.

Curious George
October 21, 2020 8:05 am

“They all complained about your COVID claims.”
Unfortunately, the family never owned slaves, and it is not yet correct to complain of his non-Aryan heritage.

ThinkingScientist
October 21, 2020 8:05 am

No platformed for disagreeing. Cancel culture infecting all areas of science now.

Why do these organisations/conference organisers listen to the woke complainers? Because if a bunch of people cancel they lose money, so its cheaper to cancel the Nobel Prize Winner.

ThinkingScientist
October 21, 2020 8:09 am

What do you call the reversal of the Enlightenment?

The de-enlightenment?

Bruce Ploetz
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
October 21, 2020 8:53 am

When we return to unreason, in the post-Modern era, it will just be called the new Dark Age by those aware enough to name it. Most will be too busy just trying to survive.

The new Dark Age will come complete with a cold climate, just like last time.

MarkW
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
October 21, 2020 9:44 am

Endarkenment?

Phil Rae
Reply to  MarkW
October 21, 2020 11:19 am

That’s the word I would use, too, MarkW.

A very scary phenomenon that needs to be stopped ASAP.

whiten
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
October 21, 2020 11:08 am

ThinkingScientist
October 21, 2020 at 8:09 am

The de-humanizing… what I will call it.

Steven Mosher
October 21, 2020 8:12 am

he is a joke

1. He tried to use gompertz like curves to model the outbreak. WRONG WRONG WRONG
2. he started fiddling with excess death data I told him the dangers ( its delayed up to 12 months)
he refused to listen, predicted 170K deaths, and now has to apologize.

Here’s a clue. Anyone with half a brain will steer clear of trying to predict covid deaths beyond 30 days
And only insane people try to predict cases.

You can build PROJECTIONS based on 42,000 assumptions, but that’s about it.

Michael has a bad case of the Nobel disease

ak in vt
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 21, 2020 10:09 am

Eric

I would worry more about the following:

In a CDC report from March 2020, re-released in June 2020 (so it must carry some weight):

1. The “genome” of “covid-19” was come about by identifying 37 pairs of approximately 30,000 pairs of genes on the RNA that was taken. The rest was “filled-in” by software and agreed upon by a consensus (“vote” — sounds like global warming rubbish methods) of virologists involved in the study. This is farcical and is what the false rt-PCR “test” is based upon.
2. When this bit of tissue was taken and analyzed and grown in lab in different cell tissues it resulted in NO INFECTION of human tissues and only caused a problem with monkey kidney cells which had also been injected with two toxins known to cause damage to kidney cells.

SEE:
a. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article
b. https://breakawayindividual.com/2020/10/20/dr-tom-cowan-explores-the-covid-virus-invented-out-of-sheer-nonsense-covid-19-coronavirus-sars-cov-2/
c. https://drtomcowan.com/only-poisoned-monkey-kidney-cells-grew-the-virus/

In addition, the virus has NEVER BEEN ISOLATED ACCORDING to the CDC and the PCR “test” DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING ACCORDING to the CDC:

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download
especially page 38 of report (page 39 on Adobe Acrobat):
“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. ”

AND:
page 39 of same report : “Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available…”

Perhaps, someone with an analytical science background who is a skeptic concerning global warming (there are a lot of you out there) would look into this. I have an analytical and logical mind with a little university biological science background many years ago (unfinished degree) and can easily spot this. However, I have neither the time nor the resources to look in depth.

THIS IS A PLEA. Somebody look into this and report. What is being done is junk science (rather, not science at all) and it is ruining the lives of billions. This is not about any election — this is about humanity and whether this country will go on as the beacon of hope it is for most of the world.

The fact that this blog is looked upon by the hundreds of thousands means it has some influence.

Regards

AK in VT
p.s. What are you afraid of Eric?

icisil
Reply to  ak in vt
October 21, 2020 11:35 am

“When this bit of tissue was taken and analyzed and grown in lab in different cell tissues it resulted in NO INFECTION of human tissues and only caused a problem with monkey kidney cells which had also been injected with two toxins known to cause damage to kidney cells.”

That sounds like when they tried to pin the blame for kuru on a slow virus. They drilled a hole in a chimpanzee’s skull and injected pureed brain from a human kuru victim into its brain. Of course the chimp got sick, but that demonstrated viral etiology to them (yes medical research can be that bad). They were entirely clueless that the part of New Guinea kuru was prevalent has high manganese soils. Manganese is a neurotoxin that produces all of the symptoms of kuru, like manganese poisoning does anywhere.

icisil
Reply to  ak in vt
October 21, 2020 2:14 pm

Since Eric is so concerned, I’d like to see him interview fellow Aussie Dr. Thomas Borody of peptic ulcer fame, who claims covid is easier to treat than flu. Maybe he could put his mind at ease.

Brian
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 21, 2020 9:04 am

Calling him a ‘joke” is hugely overstating things. Yes, he underestimated the impact of COVID-19. Yes, his assumptions were wrong. Yes, it’s arrogance for anyone to think they can project this pandemic with any confidence. We just don’t know enough.

But how do any of those things justify blackballing him at a conference? Scientists make these kinds of mistakes all the time. It’s how we learn. Blackballing him is just an irrational response driven by cockeyed politics. You would acknowledge that if you’re being honest.

MarkW
Reply to  Brian
October 21, 2020 9:46 am

steve is an english major who considers himself to be an expert in every area of science.

fred250
Reply to  MarkW
October 21, 2020 1:12 pm

Now a totally NON-credible hack.

He has zero integrity or credibility left, and you can see it is hurting him

fred250
Reply to  Brian
October 21, 2020 6:21 pm

“Yes, he underestimated the impact of COVID-19”

Probably didn’t expect the Democrat governors to send cases into nursing homes !

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 21, 2020 9:08 am

“And only insane people try to predict cases.”

Or weather and climate.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 21, 2020 9:24 am

Online dictionary definitions from Google:

Projection:
“an estimate or forecast of a future situation based on a study of present trends”
Prediction:
“a thing predicted; a forecast.”

Colour me stupid, but for an English Major you seem to be speaking with forked tongue.

Projection = Prediction. Unless you are a climate or covid modeller of course. Then there is a weasel word difference between them which makes projection utterly devoid of any responsibility or blame for getting it wrong.

Only those with slopey shoulders who are suspect their predictions are almost certainly wrong substitute the word Projection for prediction so they can say “not me guv” when its doesn’t work out and then carry as if nothing happened.

Bob Weber
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 21, 2020 9:34 am

Steven your #1 is wrong because all cases/deathes are not from Covid19, particularly June-September. Low accuracy PCR test results are recently padding these numbers in October by including reactions from the flu and common cold, particularly where the weather changed from hot to cold rapidly.

Following cues from climate attribution science, the CV19 overlords want everyone to think all the CV19 numbers are caused by a single source, CV19, and nothing else. What have you heard this super-hot year about heat-related deaths? Crickets, because those people’s statistics are being used for CV19 attribution, similar to how CO2 is exclusively blamed for every single extreme weather event.

The April/May CV19 data did follow the gompertz curve. June-September numbers in the southern US states were imo mainly related to heat illnesses driven by high UV index, until the October segue into fall flu/cold cases.

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http://www.temis.nl/uvradiation/UVD/uvdvf0_wd.gif

The classic gompertz curve represents the tree course of the early 2020 CV19 trajectory, but since late spring its been muddled thanks to the CDC having changed probable case definitions in March allowing everything to be classified as CV19.

My 2020 AGU poster will show the climate cause and consequences of severely high UV index in 2020 as it relates to heat, US/AUS wildfires, health, and CV19 numbers.

Bob Weber
Reply to  Bob Weber
October 21, 2020 10:58 am

In addition Steven your comment here is inappropriate.

And only insane people try to predict cases.

I correctly predicted in my AGU abstract dated July 31 that cases in the US would drop seasonally, which they did until the fall cold/flu (October) uptick that I said before is now driving case numbers. Cold weather is now driving seasonal cold /flu positive tests imo w/ more on the way.

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As long as all PCR positives are attributed to just CV19, I predict ‘cases’ will climb – crazy eh?

Bob Weber
Reply to  Bob Weber
October 24, 2020 4:23 pm

Cold weather is now driving seasonal cold /flu positive tests imo w/ more on the way.

The US set new ‘cases’ record on Friday, Oct 23, right on time for my prediction. The cold weather pattern started afew weeks ago and recently been reinforced with another arctic cold shot.
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https://weather.com/news/weather/video/a-powerful-cold-front-will-sweep-into-the-south-plains-and-midwest

LdB
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 21, 2020 9:39 am

So basically we should censor you from the site Steven because you post never ending junk or in your language “you are a joke”.

John Tillman
Reply to  LdB
October 21, 2020 11:30 am

To pretend to be a scientist while rejecting the scientific method and calling a real scientist “a joke” is too sad to be even a bad joke.

John Tillman
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 21, 2020 10:20 am

Given the ways in which cause of death is attributed in the US, his projection may be closer to reality than public tallies of the toll.

He was a little low for Red China, with official fatalities over 4600, but who knows how reliable that figure is?

In any case, his estimates are far better than Neil Ferguson’s, off by an order of magnitude, which error prompted lockdowns. Both Levitt and Ferguson are associated with UCL.

In any case, the conference was on a field in which he is the world’s leading specialist.

The current pandemic has shown that there are no experts in epidemiology, as the most honest specialists in the field admit. To mask or not to mask? To take but one example showing you can’t “follow the science” when it doesn’t offer a single recommendation. The “experts” couldn’t agree, and even if there were a consensus, it was liable to be wrong.

As Feynman said, science doesn’t “teach” anything. It’s “the belief in the ignorance of experts“, as so painfully on display this year.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  John Tillman
October 21, 2020 11:31 am

A murder of crows,
A gaggle of geese,
A pride of lions,
A plague of experts.

John Tillman
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
October 21, 2020 4:21 pm

Apt collective nouns.

fred250
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 21, 2020 1:15 pm

<em"You can build PROJECTIONS based on 42,000 assumptions, but that’s about it.
Michael has a bad case of the Nobel disease"

And Mosh NAILS “climate science” modelling and its associated scammers to a “t”

Only insane people try to predict climate.

RCS
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 21, 2020 3:41 pm

Well, at least he’s a proper scientist rather than a journalist masquerading as one.

fred250
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 21, 2020 5:37 pm

“Here’s a clue………

Anyone with half a brain will steer clear of trying to predict covid deaths weather or climate beyond 30 days

And if you had absolutely NO brain.. you could try to predict the climate 50 years out, but using unvalidated, provably nonsense, climate models.

Megs
Reply to  fred250
October 22, 2020 1:07 am

There’s that, and the fact that most people won’t be around to ‘say’ its invalid.

markl
October 21, 2020 8:23 am

The cancel culture only working one direction will eventually doom the instigators. Tear down a Lincoln and Frederick Douglass statue? Attack leading scientists for their learned views? Tell people that they’re racist because of the color of their skin? The world is too educated today to fall for a pogroms aimed at the pillars of society. And it’s not that the world hasn’t seen the effects of previous cancel cultures.

Bob Weber
October 21, 2020 8:32 am

New Dark Age Cometh, or is it right around the corner, or is it already here?

Our difficulties are about to increase exponentially if this warning is true…

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Bob Weber
October 21, 2020 11:37 am

The End of Days is coming.

Nick Graves
Reply to  Bob Weber
October 21, 2020 12:05 pm

I’d not be entirely surprised by that, if it is true.

I suspect it would end badly.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Bob Weber
October 22, 2020 5:28 am

my issue os the IMF need have zero input
any nation CAN negate debts in a jubilee and print money as it requires without loaning
remove the banksters hand off politiccians short hairs, and watch nations thrive

DMH
October 21, 2020 8:38 am

Covid-19 looks more and more like a Chinese Trojan horse.

commieBob
October 21, 2020 8:44 am

Remember a few decades ago when it was OK to disagree with someone?

Yep. When I was young we had a few mantras one of which was:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

It was widely attributed to Voltaire but at least it’s a reasonable paraphrase of what he espoused. link

We also had a vision of what an educated person would look like. As far as I can tell, Christopher Monckton embodies that. He can play the piano, is a composer, spouts Latin and Greek, rides a motorcycle, knows science, knows how to make a reasoned argument, etc. etc.

The left does not celebrate education. They celebrate indoctrination. They are the enemies of civilization and of humanity itself.

Jane Jacobs decried the corruption which has become pervasive in all spheres of society and predicted a new dark age. link

Jacobs characterizes a Dark Age as a “mass amnesia” where even the memory of what was lost is lost.

There are a few people, Jordan Peterson first among them, who can remind us of the underpinnings of our civilization and the reasons they are important. Peterson has a large audience and the left hates him because of that. He’s a threat to their BS.

The Democrat’s tolerance of the Antifa riots may be the final straw propelling the masses to reject the excesses of the left. We can hope so.

Up with truth and beauty. Down with corruption. Defund the universities.

CD in Wisconsin
October 21, 2020 9:03 am

As I write this, the reported COVID-19 death toll stands at nearly 225,000 in the U.S. I however cannot help but wonder if many of those deaths are being counted because they died WITH the viral infection as opposed to dying BECAUSE of it. Who is doing the counting? What are the criteria for counting someone as having died OF the virus as opposed to WITH IT?

https://tinyurl.com/y5uf9256

I doubt if anyone is going to question the death toll when this thing as all over and done with. No investigation is likely to be done, especially if Biden wins next month. Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree here. If this is a significant overreaction though, it demonstrates how we humans can easily go into panic and mass hysteria mode from listening to people we perhaps should not be. That goes for the CAGW narrative as well.

I would be interested in knowing what the mortality rate is going to be in the U.S. at the end of this year and how it compares with say 2015-2019.

fred250
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
October 21, 2020 1:26 pm

And many of them were because of the utter idiocy of sending Covid patients into nursing homes.

The people who did that should be in jail for man-slaughter.

Prjindigo
October 21, 2020 9:17 am

W.H.O. Has killed more than a million people a year for decades, killing 2.5 million with SarsCov-19-2 A,-F, varieties isn’t unexpected. 99% of the [snip] don’t even understand that you can’t actually immunize against coronaviruses.

If you could we’d have no common colds.

[I mean, you DO know we have profanity rules, right? -mod]

Matthew Schilling
October 21, 2020 9:19 am

And HCQ remains an effective early treatment for the Wuhan Virus. A proven, cost effective drug has been cancelled because Orange Man Bad. Further, no one can make Oprah Money from HCQ, so its scattered defenders could never neutralize the toxic brew of greed and religious zeal bubbling forth from its haters.

n.n
Reply to  Matthew Schilling
October 21, 2020 10:48 am

HCQ as border guard, Zn to reduce viral viability, and Az to control inflammation and infection in a planned pathogen protocol. This cocktail works in vitro, it has a long-term established minimal risk profile, and has bee been demonstrated effective as an early treatment to mitigate disease progress.

Pete C
October 21, 2020 9:32 am

Cancel Culture is the tactic of the UIC (University Industrial Complex). See the documentary “The Red Pill” where a feminist loses her religion by the tactics they learned in sanctioned Uni.

commieBob
Reply to  Pete C
October 22, 2020 5:48 am

Thanks for the tip. link

We see over and over that the new left is malign.

October 21, 2020 9:49 am

These “scientists” prove, that some sciences degenerate to a religion, where heretics get excommunicated, for the moment, what will follow later, we can’t even guess.

n.n
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 21, 2020 1:53 pm

Religious/moral philosophies vary. Most notable are the ostensibly “secular” religions that are selective, opportunistic, relativistic (“ethical”), or quasi-religions. The issues here are the creation of constructs and indulgence of practices exploited for political (e.g. social) and economic leverage.

ResourceGuy
October 21, 2020 9:58 am

Einstein certainly had to contend with a lot of adversity and unpopularity on and off campus leading up to WW1 and afterwards. He managed to advance science amidst all of that and get out of harms way. A lot of others did not make it through, including many who were in that 97 percent who opposed Einstein in the early round. You never know who the victims will be in a multi-round of witch hunt and lynch mob.

Paul Penrose
October 21, 2020 9:59 am

I hate bullies. It’s never a good idea to back down to them because then they just get emboldened. Better to stand your ground and risk a bloody nose. At least you can maintain some self-respect that way. Lately the Tom Petty song “I won’t back down” has become my mantra.

n.n
October 21, 2020 10:32 am

Cancelled, huh. A witch trial, a warlock judgment, a protest, and so it progresses.

Pat from Kerbob
October 21, 2020 10:36 am

If this nobel winner (a real one unlike mickeymann) made some mistakes regarding covid, why would this preclude him speaking on his specialty
No one gets everything right just as no one gets everything wrong.
There are brilliant people that comment on here, but on some subjects they seem a little out there, but that is fine as many people feel the same about me.
That is the problem with having an opinion, no matter what it is someone is going to be offended.
Makes it hard at parties, i want to be interesting like anyone else and i have no time for inane small talk, not my thing, so sometimes i stay silent.
That is wrong too.

It just seems like having an opinion is a human right, and that is being taken away

marcjf
October 21, 2020 11:14 am

The Roman Intellectual Dark Age (ie Christian Orthodoxy) took around 1,000 years to reverse. Let’s hope the anti-enlightenment does not take too much of a hold.

MarkW
Reply to  marcjf
October 21, 2020 12:24 pm

It never ceases to amaze me how anti-Christian bigots are so eager to re-write history.

n.n
Reply to  marcjf
October 21, 2020 12:53 pm

Christian orthodoxy preserved knowledge (e.g. scientific, religious/moral, art, medical) to mitigate progress during the Dark Ages, thereby preparing humanity to leave the twilight fringe, and return to the dawn of an enlightened era.

Rich Davis
Reply to  marcjf
October 21, 2020 5:46 pm

What a bigoted and ignorant comment

Robert of Texas
October 21, 2020 12:02 pm

“the threat is overblown”

I guess that depends on how many eventually die from this and exactly what threat he is referring to. The threat of a health-care crisis was very real and some areas ran out of hospital beds and supplies. Slowing down the spread helped to prevent extra deaths caused by over demand. The harm to the economy is hard to judge…had we not isolated how many more would have died (due to over demand of health care)? How many lives will end up worse off (or even dead) due to the harm to the economy? There will be lots of opinions, but no way to actually know this.

“we will be fine”

Well, yes of course the living will be fine. This disease never threatened the human race, it was just more deadly than any modern Flu virus. It WAS/IS overblown in my own opinion, but towards the beginning there was no way to know that.

Why someone expressing their own opinion is “shunned” is more troubling to me than the Covid-19. It’s like some kind of mental disease spreading and killing off free speech, individuality, and the right to think for one’s self.

Richard Mann
October 21, 2020 12:12 pm

The second White Coat Summit was held in Washington D.C. October 16-17, 2020. Its purpose was to have frontline doctors talk directly to the American public, educate and inform policy leaders, and create alliances to enable physicians to heal our nation. Its emphasis was on the proven success of early treatment.

Here is the vimeo link, now removed:
SCOTUS Press Conference October 17, 2020 – 12pm ET

Here is a page with full AFLDS Summit II Sessions
https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/summit2/
(an email address is requested, but not required to access the page)

Serge Wright
October 21, 2020 1:21 pm

The common denominator that CC and COVID share is their ability to be used as control levers for those seeking to change the system. This COVID consensus, which has Sweden sitting as a negative proof point, having emerged from the other side of the virus without significant economic damage, is demonstrating what we know about CC. It’s all built on lies and hides behind what used to be the truth of science.

ResourceGuy
October 21, 2020 1:32 pm

Science in the U.S. is headed for the same outcome as general education and health care. It spends twice as much in each category and gets less out of it than peer countries.

icisil
October 21, 2020 2:34 pm

More censorship, it seems.

A Danish newspaper reports the mask study has been censored (the headline reads: Does a mask work? Top journals refuse to print the Danish answer.)

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1319012799104847874

stephen mueller
October 21, 2020 2:42 pm

It will be fine , when more people are canceled than cancelers we will wake up , what we have at the moment is grown ups that never lost at anything always a prize earned or not , just children allowed to play grown up games.

Bill Taylor
October 21, 2020 3:08 pm

ole hillbilly common sense = it is difficult to get a vaccine to protect against a virus, IF it was easy the common cold would be a thing of the past that nobody ever gets……OR the chicken pox virus couldnt live dormant for decades and then give a person shingles…..the fella is right we can live with this virus just like we live with all the other versions that have been encountered.

October 21, 2020 4:24 pm

I wonder if he was one of the scientists that Naomi Seibt referenced in her speech to the German Parliament last week. She spoke of her study/research of the PCR method for testing for the virus along with detecting RNA – the test being flawed.
Here is a recent interview by a South African who interviewed her:
Fast forward to 35 to get the gist of her speech and listen for the first 9 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nyLrmEcEhI

BTW, Naomi has done many interviews but I and her mother think that this is the best interview she has ever done!

thingadonta
October 21, 2020 4:40 pm

Some years ago there was a coal conference in Australia, where someone got up and started talking about Noah’s flood. The paper he sent to the organisers didn’t mention he was going to talk about the flood. So the people at the conference had to calmly sit through and listen to all the coal in the Sydney Basin being formed from Gods wrath a few thousand years ago. Of course, the creationists can then claim they have had their papers spoken at ‘International Conferences’ etc, legitimising it.

It’s a fine line.

TRM
October 21, 2020 7:20 pm

Nobel-laureate Dr. Michael Levitt (Chemistry and structural biology at Stanford):

July 25, 2020: “US COVID19 will be done in 4 weeks [Aug 25] with total reported deaths below 170,000. How will we know it is over? Like for Europe, when all cause excess deaths are at normal level for week. Reported COVID19 deaths may continue after 25 Aug. & reported cases will, but it will be over.”

It appears that Dr Levitt was off by a month. LOL. Better up your game doc. How did the predictions of all the other “experts” do?

Here is the USA (scroll down to graph)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

TRM
October 21, 2020 7:26 pm

I wonder if this was what he got cancelled for?

“Countering the Second Wave with Facts, not Misconceptions”

By: Udi Qimron, Uri Gavish, Eyal Shahar, Michael Levitt

https://www.dropbox.com/s/72hi9jfcqfct1n9/Haaretz-20Jul20_ENGLISH%2012082020%20v3.pdf?dl=0

Some highlights for you:

Pre-immunity. No country has got more than 20% infected before it died out.

In several closed communities that underwent testing, the infection rate was always capped at 20%, which statistically aligns with maximal infection rate in these communities rather than recurring coincidences.

In Sweden the infection rate did not exceed 20% and the percentage of people who survived the epidemic exceeds 99.9% of the population.

In Belgium, the country with the highest population mortality rate, where less than 20% were infected, and more than 99.9% of the population has survived.

Immediate removal of most restrictions on the economy, immediate return to normal life of low-risk population while helping high-risk groups reduce the rate of social contacts is in order.

Tim Bidie
October 22, 2020 12:36 am

The Office for National Statistics in Britain gives the latest (next numbers tomorrow) monthly overall mortality analysis:

‘In August 2020, there were 34,750 deaths registered in England, 2,060 deaths fewer than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for August; in Wales, there were 2,379 deaths registered, 116 deaths fewer the five-year average for August.

The leading cause of death in August 2020 was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease in England (accounting for 10.9% of all deaths) and ischaemic heart disease in Wales (11.0% of all deaths); both leading causes of death were the same in July 2020.

The coronavirus (COVID-19) did not feature in the top ten leading causes of death in August 2020, in England or Wales. In England, COVID-19 was the 24th most common cause of death’

Errrrrr…….the numbers in Britain are with the legendary Dr Levitt.

Oh! He’s a Nobel Laureate with an academic background in applied mathematics……..

Pamela Gray
October 24, 2020 8:30 am

When total expected deaths from any cause by age as well as totals returns to normal, the pandemic is over. Yes people will still get COVID-19 from the virus and some will be very sick, but statistically, the pandemic will be over. If this Nobel prize winner is off by a few months or even a year, that is not outside of the norm for predictions based on models of pandemics.

October 25, 2020 9:24 am

Science is not about disagreeing without evidence/proof, it is about disagreeing with evidence/proof. Opinion is fine but proof is best.

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