Climate Apocalypse Claim: “We’re talking about the collapse of civilization, and I think it’s really important for people to hear that.”

Hylidae: Agalychnis callidryas
Hylidae: Agalychnis callidryas. Geoff Gallice from Gainesville, FL, USA / CC BY

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Breitbart; According to Well + Good, an additional half a degree warming is already “baked in”, and is leading to disease, floods, storms, parabolic frogs, and anything else bad you can think of.

The Apocalypse Is Now: We Need Immediate Action Against Climate Change To Survive 

Erin Bunch・September 23, 2020

“Oof, 2020 is the worst.” You’ve heard the refrain; you’ve seen the memes. There’s a good chance that you, yourself, have uttered something along the lines of “I can’t wait for this garbage fire of a year to end” under your breath while scrolling through apocalyptic headlines of rampant disease, wildfires, hazardous air quality, hurricane damage… shall I go on?

But the truth is, this unprecedented-in-our-lifetime global state of emergency is not an aberration, and it won’t end as the sun sets on 2020. This, too, shall not pass. Because the common denominator for so much of this death and destruction is climate change, and at this point, there is no avoiding the catastrophic effects caused by the warming of our planet—we are already experiencing them. As Anthony Leiserowitz, PhD, Director of the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication, puts it, for those born in 2020, this is, in some ways, the best of what’s to come.

Right now, the majority of people around the globe are like the parabolic frogs sitting in a pot of boiling water. Things are heating up, but, heedless of the gradually worsening conditions around them, the frogs stay put. By the time full-blown disaster is upon them, it’s too late to hop out.

In America, we have yet to significantly feel the effects of the type of climate-related food supply disruption that experts warn looms globally (as in, our populations aren’t starving for this particular reason, even if they are for others), but they are coming. And in the future, Dr. Klein Salamon says “resource wars” will inevitably result from weather-damaged crops. Research has already, in fact, connected climate-change-related drought in Syria to that country’s civil war this past decade, which displaced millions and led to a refugee crisis.

Both Dr. Leiserowitz and Dr. Klein Salamon would like to have better news for us. “I wish I could tell you that the air quality is bad this year, but it’ll be better next year. But the truth is that this is accelerating,” Dr. Klein Salamon says. “We’re talking about the collapse of civilization, and I think it’s really important for people to hear that. I truly believe this is the apocalypse.”

Read more: https://www.wellandgood.com/action-against-climate-change/

The experts interviewed are Anthony Leiserowitz, PhD, Director of the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication and Margaret Klein Salamon, PhD, Climate psychologist

I’m really worried. I mean, I normally set my home thermostat to 23C (73F). Maybe I should superglue the control button, because if I accidentally adjust the temperature up half a degree, I might experience the end of civilisation.

I only have one question. What is a parabolic frog?

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lb
September 24, 2020 10:21 am

What the heck is a “Climate psychologist”?

Joel Snider
Reply to  lb
September 24, 2020 10:35 am

An exploitive fraud.

Peter Watson
Reply to  Joel Snider
September 24, 2020 11:15 am

An exploding Frog?!??

Charles Higley
Reply to  Peter Watson
September 24, 2020 5:09 pm

It’s a parable about a frog in a pot and the author used the adjective, which is indeed a real adjective for parable.

Clarky of Oz
Reply to  Charles Higley
September 24, 2020 7:21 pm

Thank you, I have never heard the word used in that context before. Learn something new every day.

mike macray
Reply to  Charles Higley
September 25, 2020 2:10 am

Thank you Charles!
I thought perhaps the frog had developed a new ballistic trajectory…
epicycloidal or something?!
Cheers
Mike

mke macray
Reply to  Charles Higley
September 25, 2020 2:14 am

thank you Charles!
I thought the frog had developed an alternative ballistic trajectory… epicycloidal or something!
Cheers
Mike

DGP
Reply to  Joel Snider
September 24, 2020 11:38 am

A parabolic fraud.

Greg
Reply to  Joel Snider
September 24, 2020 12:27 pm

Utter bollox !

Civilisation as we know it coming to an end much faster than climate can change it.

Just look at the unthinkable changes to society we’ve seen this year and the mayhem which is likely to ensue following the election on Nov 3rd.

These pseudo-intellectual goofs still imaging anyone gives a damn about their spurious, fake claims and cries of “wolf”?

We have plenty of REAL problems to worry about now and it’s barely started.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Greg
September 24, 2020 12:38 pm

Quite deliberately so.

Greg
Reply to  Joel Snider
September 24, 2020 12:32 pm

Dr. Klein Salamon says. “We’re talking about the collapse of civilization, and I think it’s really important for people to hear that. I truly believe this is the apocalypse.”

Thank you doctor, cancel my appointment for next and seek help. It sounds like you need to consult a climate psychologist.

Geez, if this wingnut is in a position where she is councelling people who have climate anxiety, God help them. They will come out far worse than when they went in !

Reply to  lb
September 24, 2020 10:36 am

What is a “parabolic frog” ?

PaulH
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 24, 2020 11:24 am

Parabolic fraud? 🙂

Juan Slayton
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 24, 2020 11:59 am

hyperbolic?

As in “hyperbole”?

Hot under the collar
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 24, 2020 12:08 pm

If you kiss a parabolic frog, you get a hockey stick.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Hot under the collar
September 24, 2020 12:46 pm

I dunno about that, but you might wind up with worts. Which is good, because then you can make beer.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Hot under the collar
September 24, 2020 1:15 pm

No. If you kiss a frog, you get a prince. If you kiss a parabolic frog you get less by a factor of e, you get a pric.

Aaron Edwards
Reply to  Hot under the collar
September 24, 2020 1:49 pm

Just don’t kiss him on the asymptote.

Latitude
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 24, 2020 1:02 pm
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 24, 2020 1:18 pm

“Parabolic frog” is a way of referring to “The Parable of the Boiling Frog”. This usage, though I wouldn’t have thought so, is correct.

But it definitely causes confusion (and laughter!) when describing a frog.

Confusion occurs because there are two definitions of the word, and both are derived from the Greek for “comparison”:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parabolic
Definition of parabolic
1: expressed by or being a parable : ALLEGORICAL
2: of, having the form of, or relating to a parabola
motion in a parabolic curve
Did You Know?
The two distinct meanings of “parabolic” trace back to the development of Late Latin and New Latin. Late Latin is the Latin language used by writers in the third to sixth centuries. In that language, the word for “parable” was “parabola” – hence, the “parable” sense of “parabolic.” New Latin refers to the Latin used since the end of the medieval period, especially in regard to scientific description and classification. In New Latin, “parabola” names the same geometrical curve as it does in English. Both meanings of “parabola” were drawn from the Greek word for “comparison”: “parabolē.”

HD Hoese
Reply to  Roy Martin
September 24, 2020 2:45 pm

That’s close, but I have two courses in herpetology which doesn’t help a marine biologist much, as frogs also don’t last very well in sea water. My instructors in said courses were excellent, however so I looked it up. Parabolic– 1. Expressed by or being a parable. Parable– example– a short, fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle. HMMM!! Worshiping frogs perhaps?

Reply to  Roy Martin
September 24, 2020 2:46 pm

Can’t argue with Webster, but in that sense I would have expected parabolical.

John Endicott
Reply to  Roy Martin
September 25, 2020 6:50 am

Interestingly (or not), doing a search on the definition of Parabolic, returned the following results:

parabolical.
[parabolical]
DEFINITION
adjective form of parabolic

parabolic.
[ˌperəˈbälik]
ADJECTIVE
1.of or like a parabola or part of one.
“a parabolic mirror behind a spotlight projects a parallel beam”
synonyms:
legendary · mythical · mythic · mythological · fabulous · folkloric · fairy-tale ·
[more]
2.of or expressed in parables.
“parabolic teaching

so parabolical is adjective form of the adjective parabolic!

Paul Johnson
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 24, 2020 1:18 pm

A frog referenced in a parable. Poor choice of words; “iconic” would be better.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 24, 2020 1:29 pm

My guess is that Erin Brunch doesn’t know what parabolic means, but it was the closest thing to “proverbial” she could think of in the heat of the moment.

Ron Long
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 24, 2020 2:11 pm

Horny Toad.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 25, 2020 7:58 am

It’s two bolic frogs.

oeman50
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 25, 2020 9:18 am

All of these responses crack me up.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  lb
September 24, 2020 10:37 am

mis-spelling: Climate Psycho…

Sam Capricci
Reply to  lb
September 24, 2020 10:43 am

What the heck is a “Climate psychologist”?

Someone fixated on the climate and needs to see a psychologist, though I’d recommend a psychiatrist since they likely also need meds.

lb
Reply to  Sam Capricci
September 24, 2020 12:21 pm

Yeah, either that or one of the climate ‘models’ has gained a personality and feels unhappy. 😉

Vuk
Reply to  lb
September 24, 2020 10:57 am

… a bandwagon stowaway.

Reply to  lb
September 24, 2020 10:59 am

A new, useless, social science.

He’s at Yale- which has 2 online enviro web sites: the first that I like sometimes is the Yale Enviro 360 site at https://e360.yale.edu/. Though I dislike many of the articles, at least I can post comments there. Yale’s other site is Yale Climate Connections at https://yaleclimateconnections.org/ which is very much- all the time- a climate alarmist site- and, as you might guess, it does not allow comments. I emailed them about this twice- got no reply- of course.

Curious George
Reply to  lb
September 24, 2020 11:57 am

A Climate Psychologist is a person intimately familiar with the faintest internal thoughts of Climate. Climate psychologists sense the Climate’s fear of carbon dioxide, and attempt to sooth that delicate soul by making the mankind fear the carbon dioxide as well. Soon you will be able to study Climate Psychology at Harvard, the home of Professor Naomi Oreskes.

Hot under the collar
Reply to  lb
September 24, 2020 11:59 am

What the heck is a “climate change communicator”?

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Hot under the collar
September 24, 2020 1:17 pm

It is a person who talks all the time about the climate. If it changes, they don’t.

Reply to  Hot under the collar
September 24, 2020 5:22 pm

Griff, Loydo ??

They’re on here:

https://ibb.co/kKtgk1L

Andy Espersen
Reply to  lb
September 24, 2020 4:18 pm

This is as difficult to fathom as what I heard the other day : an academic working in the field of “cultural mathematics”.

nottoobrite
Reply to  lb
September 25, 2020 2:57 am

Ask any , English “,child” about “Frogs”

Poems of Our Climate
Reply to  lb
September 25, 2020 8:20 am

What the heck is “climate change communication”?

Lee Scott
September 24, 2020 10:23 am

I really wish these people would get a grip – on reality. There is no looming climate apocalypse. Man-made CO2 is responsible for a tiny portion of the warming we have experienced. The rest has all been natural. Take a deep breath and relax. It’s all going to be OK.
https://www.academia.edu/31305328/Radiation_Transfer_Calculations_and_Assessment_of_Global_Warming_by_CO_2

Reply to  Lee Scott
September 24, 2020 1:52 pm

Lee please explain precisely how CO2 causes this warming.

I don’t think it does what you say.

Lee Scott
Reply to  mkelly
September 24, 2020 2:31 pm

Well, you’ll have to read the study. I’m not the one making the claim. But since you asked, here’s my take on it: CO2 in the troposphere does nothing, as it is overwhelmed by H2O. Once you get above the troposphere where there is almost no water vapor, CO2 begins to have an effect on radiative flux. And also at the poles, where there is also little water vapor in the air.

However, the poles are dark 6 months out of the year, and we don’t live in the stratosphere where CO2 does its thing, so my personal opinion is it does very little that actually affects the climate we live in.

The study I linked to is the first one I’ve ever ready that attempts to identify and quantify all the elements that affect the heat balance of the earth. It covers a lot of issues that the IPCC simply ignores or assumes are static. So, overall, I think it does a good job of tamping down the hype that comes from the alarmist side, and it also uses the same formulas and many of the same premises they start with to get there.

Earthling2
September 24, 2020 10:28 am

The last 100-150 years of climate has been remarkably stable and benign. Including the last ~12,000 years of the Holocene. But even having said that, the LIA which lasted 400-500 years had much more destructive climate that what we have now, we would be in very bad shape presently if the climate conditions of the peak of the LIA returned. Can you imagine a year without a summer, (temporary volcanic forcing) and there is a big reduction in agriculture crops with 7.7 billion people to feed. Anytime the wind blows hard now where there is civilization, there is significant damage because we have so much exposed infrastructure.

If we look at just the last ~100,000 years of the last glacial advances, that climate would be catastrophic to our civilization. Expecting that natural variation in climate to be stable and benign is not the default position for how climate works. We advanced this last 150 years because of very benign climate (and abundant fossil fuels) and if natural variation changes for any reason, then our troubles are here to stay no matter what the CO2 level is. Thinking that reducing CO2 levels will somehow guarantee natural variation stays stable is a fools errand. The climate is always in transition from one state to another over short seasonal time scales to very long time scales, and the proper answer should be how do we adapt to whatever Mother Nature throws our way. If we continue to believe that we can now tame the weather and control the climate long term, then we are delusional. We are going along for the ride. The alarmist position is no different than priests of old sacrificing virgins to the climate gods hoping it makes some difference.

Reply to  Earthling2
September 24, 2020 10:46 am

Earthling
Your calm science based comment makes too much sense. You are hereby banned from the internet. Internet Rule 1a requires commenters to know little or nothing about the subject commented on, and to argue enlessly with everyone who disagrees. The “debate” can continue until Hit-ler or Naz-is are mentioned, then the Moderator, who is usually in his “office” (a bar stool in a seedy bar) must end the “debate” (Internet Rule 1b).

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
September 24, 2020 2:01 pm

In what universe is the Democrat House going to pass this reasonable legislation?

Joel Snider
September 24, 2020 10:34 am

Erin Bunch = Twit.

September 24, 2020 10:40 am

From the above article:
“The experts interviewed are Anthony Leiserowitz, PhD, Director of the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication and Margaret Klein Salamon, PhD, Climate psychologist.”

The hell you say!

September 24, 2020 10:45 am

“We’re talking about the collapse of civilization,
If there is any collapse, the reasons are others, f.e. the many ways to react to an imaginated human driven climate change.

fretslider
September 24, 2020 10:46 am

They should lay off the acid…

Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain
Where rocking horse people eat marshmallow pies
Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers
That grow so incredibly high

Newspaper taxis appear on the shore
Waiting to take you away
Climb in the back with parabolic frogs
And you’re gone

Sobering to think Lennon would 80 now

September 24, 2020 10:46 am

Margaret is the brains begin the Climate Mobilisation Project.. she worked with XR. And their strategy is hers..

Greta “there is a fire in.your house, is just Margaret from 2016

September 24, 2020 10:48 am

The experts interviewed are Anthony Leiserowitz, PhD, Director of the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication and Margaret Klein Salamon, PhD, 𝐂𝐥𝐢𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐩𝐬𝐲𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐢𝐬𝐭. (my highlighting)

What is a ‘Climate’ psychologist? Salamon qualified as a ‘Clinical’ psychologist. Is this a deliberate typo??

Reply to  JoHo
September 24, 2020 2:27 pm

A “climate psychologist” helps people like Greta Thunberg who claim to see carbon dioxide in the air. Or maybe they help others see it too?

Observer
September 24, 2020 10:49 am

As for “parabolic frog”, perhaps the word “parabolic” refers to the airborne trajectory of the frog after it realizes the water is too hot and jumps out. (As I understand it, you cannot really boil a frog that way…it will eventually jump out of the hot water.)

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Observer
September 24, 2020 5:58 pm

Correct to my understanding.

It is not the delta that causes the frog to react, it is the fact the frog now finds the water uncomfortable and wants to leave.

The other consideration that people seem to ignore in these sorts of studies is exactly how long does a frog like being fully in water anyway. Open question.

Also, if I remember my base physics correctly, a true parabolic curve would not occur due to loss of velocity in the frog due to air resistance.

So maybe a Parabolic Frog is one that only exists in the mind and cannot be replicated in reality – bit like Global Warming(tm) 😀

Mark Lee
September 24, 2020 10:50 am

If sacrificing virgins comes back in vogue, the romantic success rate will go up for a lot of us as our potential success removes prospective virgin sacrifices from the nomination list. Remember, never let a crisis go to waste!

icisil
September 24, 2020 10:51 am

Climate solutions = the collapse of civilization

John Bell
September 24, 2020 10:53 am

It is now very fashionable for leftists to write such articles, facts be damned.

Ed Zuiderwijk
September 24, 2020 10:56 am

A parabolic frog is a toad used as hyperbole.

September 24, 2020 11:01 am

Off subject, sorry- but:

“Democrats want to hand climate science over to the mob ”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-want-to-hand-climate-science-over-to-the-mob/ar-BB19o58m?ocid=Peregrine

“The House of Representatives had an opportunity this week to take meaningful steps toward combating climate change. But instead of proposing bipartisan reforms that would enable new clean energy technologies to flourish, Democrats opted to politicize science and add costly new regulatory hurdles that would do nothing to reduce global emissions.”

Great, we should cheer them on!

September 24, 2020 11:05 am

What a load of cr@p. “this unprecedented-in-our-lifetime global state of emergency is not an aberration, and it won’t end as the sun sets on 2020”

DO they actually believe the rubbish they spew, or do they think we are all idiots?

MarkW
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
September 24, 2020 12:31 pm

They are right about one thing. It’s not an aberration. It’s just normal weather. Everything that has happened this year has happened before, many times, in the last 100 to 1000 years.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
September 24, 2020 1:22 pm

Both of the above.

September 24, 2020 11:11 am

Last paragraph in the Introduction of Bjorn Lomborg’s new book “False Alarm – How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions, Hurts the Poor, and Fails to Fix the Planet” is entirely appropriate: “We have it within our power to make a better world. But first we need to calm down.”

Randle Dewees
September 24, 2020 11:13 am

Well, I would think that a parabolic frog is an amphibian creature that has some part of itself here, and a corresponding part of itself at infinity. Now a frog “going parabolic” I get, anytime it hops it goes parabolic.

Peter Watson
September 24, 2020 11:14 am

Is Well + Good Double Plus Good’s inbred Cousin?

September 24, 2020 11:15 am

The good news is that practically no one reads or listens to Yale’s climate bleating. They probably reach a larger audience by being featured on WUWT than by their own channels. Climate psychologists??? Climate change communicators??? Every able adult should have a job and a life’s calling, but why waste money supporting these clueless, unproductive lunatic fringe propagandists (liars)?

Peter W
September 24, 2020 11:17 am

When your arguments don’t seem to be working – just make them more extreme.

Malcolm Chapman
September 24, 2020 11:19 am

They are perhaps trying to find an adjective derived from ‘parable’, as it might be from ‘the parable of the boiling frog’ (only in the true version, which only I have access to, because I am a climate parabolic, it is a lobster, not a frog). Which does not say much for their control of the language, which goes with the more general stupidity. If they had known how bad it was going to get, they could have got out earlier, and studied something that might make them an honest living – grammar, or spelling, or taxonomy, or chidren’s encyclopaedias. We must find a way to give these people hope.

John Endicott
Reply to  Malcolm Chapman
September 25, 2020 6:44 am

They are perhaps trying to find an adjective derived from ‘parable’, as it might be from ‘the parable of the boiling frog’

In that case, they actually succeeded (one of the only times they can claim to have succeeded at anything):

parabolic.
[ˌperəˈbälik]
ADJECTIVE

2.of or expressed in parables.
“parabolic teaching”

September 24, 2020 11:42 am

Damn it! Armageddon only comes around once in a lifetime. Why do all the sober, objective and reasonable people have to spoil it with facts.
End of Times is the best of times for unproductive, magical thinking, trough munchers who don’t want the responsibility of looking after themselves let alone anyone else. These are the generations raised in ease and a with total lack of consequences. They talk about the collapse of civilization with barely disguised glee. They probably see themselves in a few years as fashionably ragged heroes in the Australian outback driving (electric) war machines across the sand and dancing rumba with Mel Gibson and Tina Turner. Their enthusiasm for disaster will last just about as long as the last charge on their iPhone.

September 24, 2020 11:46 am

It’s much more than half a degree increase that we need right now in the UK. Climate change seems to have brought an early winter. I could easily survive tomorrow being ten degrees warmer.

DrTorch
September 24, 2020 11:51 am

Considering that Antifa, BLM, China etc explicitly want and actively work to bring down (Western) Civilization, these do-gooders would be far better off opposing these groups, instead of fretting about the Sun.

Crannog
Reply to  DrTorch
September 24, 2020 1:04 pm

What? These ‘do-gooders’ are Antifa, BLM and China.

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