ABC: Why are there No Large Scale Geo-engineering Experiments?

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Solar Geoengineering
According to a 2018 study, any benefits of solar geoengineering would be cancelled by the harm caused to plants by reduced sunlight.

Climate scientists are frustrated that nobody is attempting large scale geo-engineering experiments, despite admitting that a successful attempt to geo-engineer the global climate could trigger a nuclear war.

Saviour or scientific hubris? Geoengineering the planet to counter climate change

ABC Radio National / 
By Antony Funnell for Future Tense

The eruption of Mt Pinatubo changed everything.

As the top of the mountain disintegrated, a dense plume of ash and gas surged 35 kilometres into the air.

The resulting cloud of sulphur-dioxide and muck covered the Philippines and soon began spreading.

It was 1991, and by some estimates more than five cubic kilometres of volcanic material was pumped into the stratosphere, including around 10 billion tonnes of sulphur.

Local weather patterns were temporarily altered, and the temperature of the planet dipped by 0.5 degrees Celsius over the next two years.

By 2010 a large number of “geoengineering” experiments were under consideration — but now major experimentation appears to have stalled.

Climatologist Alan Robock of Rutgers University says people started asking ‘What’s the worst thing that could happen?

“The answer was global nuclear war,” he tells ABC RN’s Future Tense.

“Because if one country did something that they thought would help them and it was harmful to another country, they might be quite upset.”

Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-27/geoengineering-controversial-science-to-combat-climate-change/12588828

While climate scientists were busy getting excited by the impact Mount Pinatubo had on global temperature, other scientists noticed another, far more sinister impact of the eruption.

Estimating global agricultural effects of geoengineering using volcanic eruptions

Published: 08 August 2018

Jonathan Proctor, Solomon Hsiang, Jennifer Burney, Marshall Burke & Wolfram Schlenker

Nature (2018)

Solar radiation management is increasingly considered to be an option for managing global temperatures, yet the economic effects of ameliorating climatic changes by scattering sunlight back to space remain largely unknown. Although solar radiation management may increase crop yields by reducing heat stress, the effects of concomitant changes in available sunlight have never been empirically estimated. Here we use the volcanic eruptions that inspired modern solar radiation management proposals as natural experiments to provide the first estimates, to our knowledge, of how the stratospheric sulfate aerosols created by the eruptions of El Chichón and Mount Pinatubo altered the quantity and quality of global sunlight, and how these changes in sunlight affected global crop yields. We find that the sunlight-mediated effect of stratospheric sulfate aerosols on yields is negative for both C4 (maize) and C3 (soy, rice and wheat) crops. Applying our yield model to a solar radiation management scenario based on stratospheric sulfate aerosols, we find that projected mid-twenty-first century damages due to scattering sunlight caused by solar radiation management are roughly equal in magnitude to benefits from cooling. This suggests that solar radiation management—if deployed using stratospheric sulfate aerosols similar to those emitted by the volcanic eruptions it seeks to mimic—would, on net, attenuate little of the global agricultural damage from climate change. Our approach could be extended to study the effects of solar radiation management on other global systems, such as human health or ecosystem function.

Read more: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0417-3

Turns out plants need sunlight. Reflecting sunlight back into space instead of letting it reach the leaves of plants is bad for plant growth.

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John F Hultquist
August 27, 2020 8:08 pm

The eruption of Mt Pinatubo changed everything.

The next several paragraphs explain that nothing has happened.
Comments are more interesting than the memo.

Maggy Wassilieff
August 27, 2020 8:20 pm

Funny… we don’t hear much about our Leading Scientists in NZ dumping Iron into the Southern Oceans anymore…

https://niwa.co.nz/iron-fertilisation
https://niwa.co.nz/news/niwa-climate-change-scientists-honoured-in-prime-minister%E2%80%99s-top-science-prizes

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Maggy Wassilieff
August 28, 2020 4:11 pm

That was my first thought, as well. Iron fertilization has “outraged” certain scientists, indicating to me that it might be a very practical and beneficial way to keep CO2 levels stable, while rebuilding the ocean food chain. There is an international moratorium on any but research fertilization activities. (Which is probably a good thing.)

yarpos
August 28, 2020 2:03 am

It seems the much love “precautionary principle” flys out the window when some rabid greenies see fit to tinker with our environment. The level of their arrogance is quite spectacular.

mikewaite
August 28, 2020 2:41 am

I am coming slowly to the very, very reluctant conclusion that the only hope for the continued well being of most people on the planet is China. The sheer stupidity of western politicians , media and scientists of dubious intelligence on virtually any subject from pandemics to climate change is responsible for this change of mind towards China.
I wonder if I am alone in this .

Doug Huffman
August 28, 2020 4:33 am

Geo-engineering? Experiments fail and big experiments fail biggly! Beware the Black Swan.

Who bears the liability for the consequences of failure?

Philip Mulholland
Reply to  Doug Huffman
August 28, 2020 4:40 am

Doug,

For large scale geoengineering a nascent intelligent species is first required to practice off-planet.
That is what the Moon is for (I am with Isaac Asimov on this one).
Go and obtain proof of concept there first.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
August 28, 2020 5:05 am

So you make no effort to avoid teleological arguments. Mankind will not leave Earth for pouring essential wealth into the Black Hole of egalitarianism. Men may, but mankind will not leave Earth – ever.

The hopes and dreams of hard science fiction are cultural privilege and its priests are all dead.

Philip Mulholland
Reply to  Doug Huffman
August 28, 2020 5:30 am

Two men looked thru prison bars, one saw mud the other saw stars.

Dan-O
August 28, 2020 6:39 am

100 tons of Iron Sulfate was dumped into the pacific ocean to boost salmon production
and resulted in a record salmon run .
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060008722

looks like geoengineering to me

August 28, 2020 7:43 am

Does this count as geoengineering?

Russ George rejuvenated the Pacific salmon fisheries by fertilizing the ocean with iron sulfate. His experiment made a lot of people furious, mostly the sort of folks who are terrified by the idea of anyone doing anything at all without government or at least IRB review and approval. Here’s an article about his experiment, by a guy who hated the idea, but grudgingly admitted its success:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190527221328/https://planetsave.com/2014/07/02/ocean-fertilization-dangerous-experiment-gone-right/

The only downside of the experiment is that fertilizing the ocean with iron consumes quite a bit of the precious air fertilizer.

This is Russ George’s web site:

https://russgeorge.net/

August 28, 2020 7:50 am

Large-scale geoengineering “what’s the worst that could happen?”, and their answer is “nuclear war”?

That might be a possibility, but no consideration even of the possibility that something might go wrong? They’re so fond of saying “we only have one planet” but are perfectly ok experimenting on it. The impact of such actions could have terrible and very long-term consequences.

Maybe they’re right. If I were leading a country, I would most certainly be willing to go to war to prevent the potential destruction of a portion of this one planet that we have.

August 28, 2020 8:03 am

There are no large scale geoengineering experiments because the point of it all is anti fossil fuel activism

https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/08/28/geo-engineering-climate-change/

see also

https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/03/23/anti-fossil-fuel-activism-disguised-as-climate-science/

Robert of Texas
August 28, 2020 11:30 am

Rather than make the entire climate behave to our biases, we should adapt to the ever changing climate?

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Robert of Texas
August 28, 2020 4:25 pm

+42.

alan tomalty
August 29, 2020 1:45 am

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/congress-now-funding-controversial-geoengineering-plan-b-to-spray-particles-in-the-sky-to-cool-earth/ No one has mentioned Bill Gates. Apparently he is still funding a pilot project that wants to partially block out the sun. Even Congress is getting involved. Luckily Gates seems distracted by his vaccine ambitions to counter SARSCOV2. Personally I think Bill Gates should be committed to an insane asylum.

jmorpuss
August 29, 2020 2:21 pm

“Humans have long been shaping Earth’s landscape, but now scientists know we can shape our near-space environment as well.”
“A number of experiments and observations have figured out that, under the right conditions, radio communications signals in the VLF frequency range can in fact affect the properties of the high-energy radiation environment around the Earth,” said Phil Erickso”
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/nasas-van-allen-probes-spot-man-made-barrier-shrouding-earth