Vatican: Small Scale Climate Cooperatives “people-centred, not capital-centred … distribute wealth in a fairer way”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Vatican News presenting Pope Francis’ support for the UN Secretary General’s vision of a global future of sustainable local cooperatives which eliminate the unfairness of Capitalism.

Pope: cooperatives for clean energy against climate change

Cooperatives – people-centred development

The aim of the annual celebration is to increase awareness about cooperatives. Being people-centred, not capital-centred, cooperatives distribute wealth in a fairer way.  As farms, businesses, or other organizations which are owned and run jointly by members who share the profits or benefits, cooperatives are committed to the sustainable development of their communities, environmentally, socially as well as economically.  They support community activities, local sourcing of supplies to benefit the local economy, and decision-making that considers the impact on their communities.

In a message for the June 4 International Day of Cooperatives, UN Secretary-General, Antonio Guterres, focused on the role of cooperatives in addressing the challenges caused by the Covid-19 pandemic and climate change and in forging a path towards an inclusive and equitable future for all. 

Read more:

Laudato Si‘, Pope Francis’ Climate Change Encyclical, also mentions the positive role of Cooperatives;

112. Yet we can once more broaden our vision. We have the freedom needed to limit and direct technology; we can put it at the service of another type of progress, one which is healthier, more human, more social, more integral. Liberation from the dominant technocratic paradigm does in fact happen sometimes, for example, when cooperatives of small producers adopt less polluting means of production, and opt for a non-consumerist model of life, recreation and community. Or when technology is directed primarily to resolving people’s concrete problems, truly helping them live with more dignity and less suffering. Or indeed when the desire to create and contemplate beauty manages to overcome reductionism through a kind of salvation which occurs in beauty and in those who behold it. An authentic humanity, calling for a new synthesis, seems to dwell in the midst of our technological culture, almost unnoticed, like a mist seeping gently beneath a closed door. Will the promise last, in spite of everything, with all that is authentic rising up in stubborn resistance?

179. In some places, cooperatives are being developed to exploit renewable sources of energy which ensure local self-sufficiency and even the sale of surplus energy. This simple example shows that, while the existing world order proves powerless to assume its responsibilities, local individuals and groups can make a real difference. They are able to instil a greater sense of responsibility, a strong sense of community, a readiness to protect others, a spirit of creativity and a deep love for the land. They are also concerned about what they will eventually leave to their children and grandchildren. These values are deeply rooted in indigenous peoples. Because the enforcement of laws is at times inadequate due to corruption, public pressure has to be exerted in order to bring about decisive political action. Society, through non-governmental organizations and intermediate groups, must put pressure on governments to develop more rigorous regulations, procedures and controls. Unless citizens control political power – national, regional and municipal – it will not be possible to control damage to the environment. Local legislation can be more effective, too, if agreements exist between neighbouring communities to support the same environmental policies.

Read more: Laudato Si’

Pope Francis sadly does not explain why a system in which people work hard but other people receive the benefit is somehow fairer than a system in which people work hard and get to keep the benefit. Of course, if all the fruits of my efforts were redistributed, perhaps I would choose not to work so hard. There is no point trying to work and save up for stuff you want to buy, if you are not allowed to keep what you save.

Perhaps this is what Pope Francis means by “a non-consumerist model of life”.

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July 6, 2020 10:11 am

…I’m done…he can go to

Curious George
Reply to  Latitude
July 6, 2020 1:46 pm

Hunter-gatherers are our future. They will distribute no-wealth in a fairer way. On a positive side, they won’t need the Pope or a Secretary General.

It reminds me of an old Soviet joke: Why do bees have honey? – Because they have a queen. If they had a Secretary General ..

Reply to  Curious George
July 7, 2020 5:43 am

But didn’t they bring the megafauna to extinction ? And they had hierarchies and shamans.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Latitude
July 6, 2020 2:00 pm

Is this the same Catholic Church that protects and enables pedophiles? Helped Nazi murderers escape justice? Fights birth control in the poorest and most over populated countries in the world? Is this the guy who claims infallibility? Surrounds himself with much of the world’s art treasure and gold and talks about equitable distribution while 100% living off the labour of others? Fantastic! Let’s listen to him. No hypocrisy there!

Reply to  john harmsworth
July 6, 2020 2:55 pm

that protects and enables pedophiles: Past tense, they are cleaning up their act.

Helped Nazi murderers escape justice: Not true.

Fights birth control in the poorest and most over populated countries in the world: Birth control has never reduced populations. Only wealth has ever done that.

Is this the guy who claims infallibility: Only when writing (argh, I forget the latin term for that type of paper), the rest of the time he does not.

It’s amazing how little you know about the Catholic Church. I guess it’s easier to hate that way.

J Savage
Reply to  MarkW
July 6, 2020 5:33 pm

Thank you. Not that the current incumbent is my favorite guy, but these articles always unleash a torrent of hatred aimed at the church. The church has its faults, but why don’t climate skeptics see that the same people who promote the climate “narrative” also promote hatred against the church?

Reply to  MarkW
July 6, 2020 5:59 pm


Reply to  MarkW
July 6, 2020 8:51 pm

Past tense my arse. It will take years before they convince me they have gotten rid of the pedos, and it still won;t erase the pedos they have now who have not been turned iin.

The wartime pope may not have been a Nazi, and he may have had tremendous pressure from Mussolini, but bishops and cardinals certainly did help some Nazis escape after the war was over and they had no more pressure from Mussolini.

Birth control is just a tool, one of many which people use to reduce births. You may as well claim condoms have never reduced populations. The best intentions are pretty useless without tools.

Popes act as if everything they say and write, not just the papal bulls you probably refer to, are infallible. Falling back on doctrinal technicalities is a convenient cover of no significance when their practice and propaganda differ.

John Endicott
Reply to  Felix
July 7, 2020 2:50 am

Birth control is just a tool, one of many which people use to reduce births. You may as well claim condoms have never reduced populations

reduce births and reduce population are two different things. Condoms are a form of birth control. And the entire class of birth control tools (doesn’t matter which individual tools you care to name) don’t reduce populations. never have. The only way that actually works to reduce populations is to increase wealth. (what? you thought the “most over populated countries in the world” don’t have any birth control? really? western countries have been distributing free birth control to those countries for decades and yet they’re still the most over populated countries in the world despite all that.)

Reply to  MarkW
July 6, 2020 10:47 pm

Yeah something to do with infallibility when it comes to faith and God.

Jim Allison
Reply to  MarkW
July 8, 2020 11:54 am

The term is “Ex Cathedra”, From the Chair, meaning from Peter’s Chair, or in his official role as head of the Hierarchy.

John Doran
Reply to  john harmsworth
July 8, 2020 3:02 am

Some reality on the RC Church:

Operation Gladio, a book by Paul L. Williams, The Unholy Alliance between THE VATICAN, THE CIA, and THE MAFIA.

Bottom line: since WWII the Vatican has laundered Mafia & CIA dirty cash, for a minimum 15% cut.
381 pages total, including 290 pages of text, 53 pages of notes 36 pages of index.


July 6, 2020 10:13 am

Co-ops of this nature have been tried many times. Very popular in the 60’s. All failed. Communism simply does not work, whether on a large national scale or a local scale.

Bill Powers
Reply to  DHR
July 6, 2020 11:33 am

Co-ops and those who idealize them, don’t understand the first thing about growing wealth, the pie so to speak, so that everyone has a chance at a piece of it.

To them the money supply and wealth are stagnant and need to be dolled out equally and profit (growth) is an evil, greedy thing. What they don’t understand is that without profit there is not productivity, no innovation, no invention and worst of all, no initiative.

With co-op eventually everyone goes hungry and grows hungrier until the fighting breaks out. The strongest will then take authoritarian control and decide who lives and who dies. It is as simple as human nature. survival of the fittest which is a very bleak way to live.

Reply to  Bill Powers
July 6, 2020 1:32 pm

The monastic societies of the Middle Ages did accumulate a lot of wealth. Not much of it trickled down to the people:

john harmsworth
Reply to  Bill Powers
July 6, 2020 2:40 pm

Agreed, but I’ve been thinking about Communism and it’s popularity in spite of ugly and total failure in every single attempt at creating the Utopia.
I’ve concluded that it fails because it cannot overpower human nature. It requires that humans work and strive for the “greater good”, which in a modern, complex and highly populated society does not exist. Most of us will work til we drop for our children. Maybe a little less for our siblings By the time get to our next door neighbour it’s an equal swap arrangement until stops returning tools or earns a bit of an upgrade by becoming a friend. At the level of a large city a general self protective caution sets in and at the country scale, nationalism must be sold as it has little real value, especially when government entities routinely reward those who contribute least and tax effort and enterprise.
So Socialism is inherently coersive, with ever greater top down pressure to the wriggling asperations and laziness of humans. The inevitable, inexorable increase in coersion results in full blown top down Communism and a 1 party state which winds up serving the political elite, who seldom acquire their position by anypractical merit other than political acumen. It is unnatural and anti- human and we need to teach that in school.
Maybe we should send the profs to re-education camps first.

Reply to  john harmsworth
July 6, 2020 9:17 pm

No, just send them to a commune and have them learn from first-hand experience how communes are short lived.

Van Doren
Reply to  john harmsworth
July 7, 2020 7:33 am

Just read von Mises – socialism eliminates information needed for economic planning, thus making efficient economy and accumulation of wealth impossible.

Reply to  john harmsworth
July 7, 2020 8:40 pm

The concept of socialism is acceptable at the familial level and degrades at each extension outward into chaos. Neighborhood—problematic. Town—interesting, but I wouldn’t want to live there. State—doomed to failure. National Socialism—there’s a word for that.

Reply to  Marnofs
July 7, 2020 8:47 pm

The concept of socialism is acceptable at the familial level and degrades at each extension outward into chaos.


Reply to  Bill Powers
July 6, 2020 2:57 pm

If you refrain from consuming all of your income. Then take those savings and use them to build a business, you are a capitalist.
You can also use your savings to invest in someone else’s business.

Socialists tend to think that the money investors invest just fell off the turnip truck, and these guys were lucky enough to be the first to grab it.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Bill Powers
July 6, 2020 8:15 pm

Bill, didn’t we just try this again in Seattle?
Only took a couple weeks for the “warlord” to try and take over

Logic and Reason
Reply to  DHR
July 6, 2020 11:42 am

Cooperatives are like religion.
I have no problem with people who want to set up a ‘cooperative’ or any business that wants to operate that way. Just don’t make me join your religion (or cooperative)

Reply to  Logic and Reason
July 6, 2020 1:39 pm

Yeah. Religion like in the Plymouth Colony
They almost starved to death before Bradford ended the socialism and the freeloaders had to earn their keep.

Reply to  czechlist
July 6, 2020 6:39 pm

“The Plymouth Company, which consisted of 70 investors, had an agreement with the settlers of the Plymouth Colony, the pilgrims, promising to finance their trip to North America and in return the settlers would repay the company…”

The colonists of Plymouth were expected to pay for their passage to the New World by giving much of their earnings back to the company.

Governor Bradford assumed the debt to the Plymouth Co personally, and this allowed the colonists to work independently for their families, as they would have back in England. It was not socialism, but debt for the passage.

It’s called indentured servitude.

Reply to  PaulinaUS
July 7, 2020 5:11 am

Originally the colonists all worked in common, and starved. It was only after they got individual plots of land to work that things turned around.

Reply to  PaulinaUS
July 7, 2020 6:02 am

Like the Direct Tax system we live in today.

Reply to  PaulinaUS
July 8, 2020 6:20 am

Paulina: good point.

The problem of indentured servitude was broken when we separate the debt from the means for repaying it.

If I get a suit at the haberdashers, and buy it on credit, I owe them $1,000. I can either be committed to work off that $1,000 at the haberdasher’s, or I can go work elsewhere, come up with the $1,000 in my own way, and pay off the debt.

Indentured Servitude: you owe a debt to someone and they control how you pay it off; plain ol’ capitalism: you owe a debt to someone, and you go figure out how to pay it off as you see fit, or incur bad/no credit if you don’t.

You might not be that productive in the jobs they have for you at the Haberdasher’s. You might be three times as productive doing something else. So, the Haberdasher gets his or her money all the same, but you have been free to decide how to earn the money for your debt, including how efficiently you want to use your free time and liberty to go earn the money to pay the debt.

Capitalism is much more free, being less exploitative.

FFW to today: in Socialism or Communism, you owe the State, and the State provides the opportunities for you to pay your debt; you are not allowed to just go earn the money however you see fit.

This is why some say that Socialism / Communism is just one version of Feudalism. In Feudalism, you live on someone’s land, and you have to pay a portion of your crops to the landlord. Or, you have nowhere to live, and no place to raise food for your family. So, you have no means of livilihood outside of doing one specific type of labor to cover your debts. Which are ongoing.

Socialism / Communism is indentured Servitude. But, there is NEVER any way to finally pay off the debt. Since the Government oversees all of life, you have a debt to them for their services. Taxes in various forms. A production quota to pay your share. Therefore, it is a type of indentured servitude that is worse. Since you are not free to leave your employer , you are a feudal vassal.

Economically, this is not much different from the Slavery setup. The one difference being that as a vassal, you have some inherent rights, such as who you might marry, and being able to have your private property, and maybe some access to justice system for civil issues. As a slave you don’t have such individual rights. Worse, but only by that one step.

Reply to  Logic and Reason
July 6, 2020 6:09 pm

You must make the distinction between a “cooperative” and a “commune.” Which distinction, of course, is another victim of NewSpeak.

A cooperative (proper definition) is a group of capitalists that join in a larger organization in order to enjoy the economies of scale that are made possible. One somewhat larger shop that has the tools to repair all of the farm equipment, rather than fifty barns with the same. One grain seller to negotiate with the buyers, instead of fifty different farmers. Most cooperatives are not equal contributions, either; they operate on a percentage of sales, with each individual capitalist’s sales allocated to them, minus the cooperative percentage. The individual receives the proceeds from their contribution – which (for a well run cooperative) are more than they would receive as an individual.

A commune, on the other hand, distributes the proceeds “equally” (quotes there, there has never been a commune where some animals were not more equal than others), irregardless of the contribution made by each individual in the commune.

What the UN, and the Pope among other “leaders,” are advocating are communes, not cooperatives.

And, yes, in his “Brave New World,” the Pope will remain somewhat more equal than any of his Cardinals – and vastly more equal than your local parish priest.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  DHR
July 6, 2020 11:56 am

THIS time communism/socialism/marxism will work!

All of the previous efforts that failed were not TRUE communism/socialism/marxism.

Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 6, 2020 1:47 pm

My son says European socialism works. He says all the US has to do is try it.

Reply to  Derg
July 6, 2020 2:58 pm

It only “works”, if you don’t look too closely. Which socialists never do.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Derg
July 6, 2020 3:00 pm

The French are revolting. Take that any way you like. The E.U. is a failing Socilist experiment designed to benefit the French and Germans. It’s trade protections make Europe generally less competetive. Germany in particular benefits from a loww Euro that results from the economic inefficiencies of the Southern European countries. Underlying some surface affluence they are an economic time bomb that will go off. The fallout from the
China virus is yet to come. It has been papered over, literally, by central bank interventions and fantastic levels of government spending. It will all end in tears.

Van Doren
Reply to  john harmsworth
July 7, 2020 7:38 am

Germany pays for everything in the EU, we also suffer immensely from the weakness of other EU countries.

Reply to  Derg
July 7, 2020 5:34 am

“My son says European socialism works.”

Your son is confused. No European country is “socialist”, which actually means the State owns the means of production and distribution.

They often have nationalised militaries, roads, welfare, policing, firefighting, and pensions… but so does the US.

Some of them are more redistributionist (they have more generous welfare schemes) or have more extensively socialised sickcare, but that doesn’t make them socialist. Just more socialist than the US.

But if the American voter decided he’d rather have more subsidised sickcare, and less invasions of MENA non-vassal states, that would be fine with rest of us.

Though the end of the petrodollar would mean big trouble for the US economy, so I guess that won’t be happening any time soon.

The Saint
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 6, 2020 2:09 pm

You guys might find this climate video enlightening.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 6, 2020 3:16 pm

Yoou are a True Scotsman, Sir.

Tom in Florida
July 6, 2020 10:19 am

Coming from a man who has never earned a living.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 6, 2020 11:10 am

I think you misjudge the priesthood. Personally I have grave doubts about the road down which Francis is trying to lead the Church but to dismiss his views on the simplistic grounds that he has “never earned a living” — by your standards — is to dismiss the work of every “man of God” and many others who, without believing in God, do similar important good work.

Reply to  Newminster
July 6, 2020 11:50 am

Only this isn’t good work. It’s tearing down and destroying the system that raised the standard of living for millions and taking away all our freedoms in the process.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Newminster
July 6, 2020 11:56 am

Does he get paid by production or from donations to the church?

Reply to  Newminster
July 6, 2020 12:03 pm

Yes. But he has never earned a living.

Reply to  Matt
July 6, 2020 2:59 pm

Your ignorance regarding how a church operates would fill libraries.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  MarkW
July 7, 2020 4:42 am

The Church operates on donations not by production. Unless you want to count bake sales where the product is provided free to the church who keeps the money from the sales.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
July 7, 2020 6:21 am

The source of funding says nothing about if those receiving that funding have done anything to earn it. Those are two separate things. That said, I agree the current Pope doesn’t seem to be earning his keep.

Reply to  Matt
July 7, 2020 6:49 am

He’s not a theif, or on welfare, but is essentially a bureaucrat within a large charity. He’s “earned” his living that way.

You might not like the Catholic Church (I don’t either) but it functions via voluntary contributions, and the people within it get paid according to how well they are perceived to have met its needs.

I don’t use a hair colourist, but that doesn’t mean they’ve “never earned a living”.

What the pope has never earned is the right to be quoted as some kind of authority on subjects of which he has no expertise.

Having said that… as a (putatively) spiritual organisation (allegedly) concerned with bringing souls to God, fighting poverty is only good inasmuch as it is a struggle for the good of mankind. Whether a person is rich or poor is of no concern with respect to whether they are good or not, and as the poor are often more devout than the wealthy, you could – if you were a Catholic – make the case that humanity is better off without capitalism, as the material comfort it brings seems to go hand-in-hand with people being less religious. What is having a second car for a few years, compared with spending an eternity in the bosom of The Lord?

Hence the pope giving away all the Church’s riches and going about his everyday business in jeans and a t-shirt.

Reply to  Newminster
July 6, 2020 12:53 pm

Yes but these other “men of God” who do good work and who have never earned a living aren’t pontificating and lecturing everyone else like Francis is. If he kept his mouth shut and got on with whatever the hell he’s supposed to do (like blessing babies or something) instead of lecturing everyone else on their capitalist sins, maybe he would be taken more seriously. But, like all true lefties, he’s just another hypocrite wagging his finger, tut tutting everyone like Greta Humbug and all the rest. Funny how the Pope lectures us about the evils of capitalism when it’s capitalism that has allowed him to live like a king in the first place. Funny how he lectures Trump on the evils of border walls when the Vatican is surrounded by one (

That’s the one thing all lefties have in common. Hypocrisy.

The Dark Lord
Reply to  Newminster
July 6, 2020 1:01 pm

if your good works priests stay out of economics and politics they are doing important work … step out of their lane and “never worked a day” has relevance … but you knew that what was meant because you can read … “Coming from a man” means one man not all priests … to try and claim it meant ALL priests are tarred with the same brush is simply a strawman … your defense of other priests who do good work is just virtue signaling on the cheap …

Reply to  Newminster
July 8, 2020 12:06 am

So, what is the difference between greenpeace and the church, apart from the somewhat different message?

July 6, 2020 10:19 am

The underlying problem with cooperatives, which has never been well solved, is that for them to work, human beings have to actually … well … cooperate …


PS—In some situations, producer coops have worked over time. However, consumer coops to “distribute weath in a fairer way” as Il Papa recommends tend to have much shorter lifespans …

Bill Powers
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
July 6, 2020 11:39 am

Willis, Producer co-ops are based upon profitability. Consumer co-ops are about equal consumption, hence distribution of product and therefore not concerned with putting capital back into the initiative for future profits. Socialism is doomed to fail because nobody is concerned with bigger, faster, better. Everyone is consumed with getting their fair share of a diminishing return.

Reply to  Bill Powers
July 6, 2020 2:10 pm

Which is why consumer co-ops always fail.

However, there are co-ops that succeed, where a bunch of people pool their money to start a business that sells to the general public as well as the investors. Investors (shareholders) get a cut rate, but not so much that the co-op loses money.

That kind of co-op is pure capitalism.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Art
July 6, 2020 2:50 pm

Art did you read Willis’s comment? Seems you are overlooking the fact that what you are saying has already been acknowledged?

Reply to  Bill Powers
July 6, 2020 7:14 pm

I did. The purpose of my comment was to illustrate the last sentence, that successful co-ops are capitalism. Why do I have to say it again?

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
July 6, 2020 12:59 pm


Thanks, Willis, et al.

The vast agricultural portion of the U.S. has many “co-ops” but not the ones the Marxist/Lenin folks and such envision. The U.S. “co-ops” are intended to and have succeeded in developing the most bountiful agricultural environment on Earth. It came about because local folks did not want to join the “big boys”, and establishing a “co-op” and such reduced all their day to day problems of finding the highest buyer for the product. Or do I read that explanation wrong? There’s lots more there, but for now…..

There has never been an example of a successful “communal” or “communist” or “socialist” agricultural component of society compared to what the U.S.A. has done for over 200 years. If so, please provide the documents and reams of studies ( double blind studies/tests, and outside comments besides the brothers-in-law).

I am not happy with the Pope’s apparent view of humanity, with all its warts and all. Even Jesus admonished Judas about the simple fact that there would always be poor, hungry folks.

You cannot help them by “giving” them the necessities of life without some instruction of basic survival skills. The old saw, “give a man a fish for dinner and he will not be hungry today, but help him learn to fish and he will never be hungry”.

Gums sends…

Russ Wood
Reply to  Gums
July 9, 2020 6:34 am

On the fish thing – there’s a modern addendum: “Give a man someone else’s fish, and he’ll vote for you!”

Gunga Din
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
July 6, 2020 3:39 pm

The problem with any system devised by Man is that there are People involved.
Look to Seattle’s Clog (or whatever they called it) or Atlanta and the area around that Wendy’s.
Socialist don’t seem to understand those who have succeeded in creating wealth and jobs have earned what they have.
Take away the incentive, keeping what you’ve earned, you take away the incentive to create the wealth (and the jobs).
They seem to think that “wealth” (money in the bank) earned by another is their tight to confiscate.
Greed and envy are a powerful carrot used by those who want to gain or maintain power.

Reply to  Gunga Din
July 6, 2020 4:17 pm

Oop, there it is. Ever body Cabbage Patch! We are what we are, and the worst side of us is, currently, in the ascendant. I, for one, will not submit. My son, my wife, my brothers and cousins, they will not submit. Leftists started a civil war in 1860 and they lost, they will lose this one and there will be no reconciliation, this time.

Andrew Lale
July 6, 2020 10:20 am

What does this stuff have to do with the salvation of man through the saving power of Jesus Christ? If the pope talk about anything other than that, he’s not doing his job.

Reply to  Andrew Lale
July 6, 2020 11:43 am

The Roman Catholics have more-or-less reached the conclusion that everybody’s already saved by Christ regardless of belief, creed, etc., so evangelism is kind of an afterthought these days.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Andrew Lale
July 6, 2020 11:55 am

Seems to me God doesn’t intend for the church or the Government to equalize wealth otherwise the church and the governments wouldn’t be sitting on so much of it.

July 6, 2020 10:24 am

“Liberation from the dominant technocratic paradigm”

That sounds like a total avoidance of the corruption problem that plagues so many areas…… and the Vatican.

The corruption and crime plagues are greater than ever and it’s insulting to see them run off in other directions.

July 6, 2020 10:27 am

How is that alt/barter currency in some Vermont communities working out these days.

I suppose it had a tax avoidance element to it that was not talked about in the glowing descriptions.

not you
July 6, 2020 10:27 am

for an example of whay he means, look into the ‘reductions’ the church ran in paraguay and other s.a. countries

July 6, 2020 10:27 am

“Society, through non-governmental organizations and intermediate groups, must put pressure on governments to develop more rigorous regulations, procedures and controls. Unless citizens control political power – national, regional and municipal – it will not be possible to control damage to the environment.”

Does no one at the Vatican realize how incompatible those two sentences are?

Reply to  hiskorr
July 6, 2020 1:13 pm

The built in hypocrisy is intentional. It is needed to convince trusting people that the message is benign. Rigorous governmental regulations and controls will prevent the people from having any voice or control.

Reply to  walt
July 6, 2020 3:30 pm

I think you’re right. It must be intentional. It sounds like the slogans from “1984”.

Carl Friis-Hansen
July 6, 2020 10:30 am

Cooperatives is a sound and nice thought, but in these globalization times the former cooperatives tend to become international giant scale companies, with the power to dictate global policy.
The former USSR also relied on the beauty of collective farming and grand five-year plans. The problem there, was that yield was close to zero and the general population was more less starved. Only the farmers’ own tiny plots, for their own household, actually gave great yield.
However, the Pope’s idea is noble and socialistically correct, serving the top brass and mostly devastating for the common man.

July 6, 2020 10:35 am

Vatican, please stay out of climate-catastrophism/scaremongering, as if there weren’t enough already doing it.

Tiger Bee Fly
July 6, 2020 10:36 am

Pope Francis:

You, sir, have become the willfully blind plaything of forces that have obviously become far greater than you and your Church. Do you seriously imagine that technology – which obviously has a far different meaning for you than for those who understand it, a blatantly derogatory brain-dead treehugger one – only occasionally emerges from its despotic, dehumanizing (/sarc) mode to “resolve people’s concrete problems and help them live with more dignity and less suffering”? What in hell do you think the purpose of technology, from the domestication of fire and flint knapping to the quantum computer, has always been? You sit there in your Renaissance palace with your distorted, poorly understood and expressed worldview and pretend to dispense this shallow wisdom to your betters – SHAME!

And newsflash, here’s another “value deeply held by indigenous peoples”: brutal tribal warfare over scarce food resources – or just plain xenophobia. We emerged from the jungles and founded civilizations precisely to leave behind the dehumanizing effects of nature, you schmuck!

Communist Anti-Pope, take a long hike off a short pier! My God, I should re-read Revelation, I think there’s something in there about you!

David Baird
Reply to  Tiger Bee Fly
July 6, 2020 12:12 pm

Check 2nd Timothy 4: 3-4 also.

Tiger Bee Fly
Reply to  David Baird
July 7, 2020 6:35 am

Yes, thank you. Excellent.

David Yaussy
July 6, 2020 10:37 am

I believe the first disciples held their property communally for a while after Christ’s death. I don’t think that lasted very long. I imagine that practice ran into the same problems that bedevil most communitarian arrangements.

Reply to  David Yaussy
July 6, 2020 11:58 am

Ultimately, and I quote from memory, St. Paul felt called upon to say, “Let those who do not work, not eat.” Capt. John Smith said the same thing when the Jamestown Colony was failing. (All mention of failed communism in America has been stricken from Wankerpedia!)

Juan Slayton
Reply to  David Yaussy
July 6, 2020 2:12 pm

Good point. Actually, sharing was completely voluntary. A chap named Ananias embarked on a bit of virtual signalling, misrepresenting his generosity with the proceeds of a real estate transaction. None other than Peter himself called him to account, not for retaining ownership or part of the profits, but for lying about what he had done.

Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?…Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

This did not end well for Ananias.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
July 6, 2020 10:41 am

Well that should keep all the peasants in their place nicely so that all the wealthy and woke can carry on with their privileged existence uninterrupted by any demand for a better existence by the deplorables who must be ruled firmly.

July 6, 2020 10:47 am

China as a communist country is going along ok, a communist political governance with active capitalism.
The key difference between the USA and China is that the billionaires in China do not run the political system.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Ozonebust
July 6, 2020 11:52 am

You the have the temerity to spout that patent B.S. here at site that is knowledgeable, well-read and skeptical of garbage! It’s seems that supporters of Marxism fall into three categories: the ignorant, the idiots and the insane. I wouldn’t want to speculate which you fall into but anyone who thinks that executing political prisoners to harvest their organs, imprisoning Uyghurs in ‘re-education’ camps and forcing the people of Hong Kong to renounce their democratic freedoms as guaranteed by international treaty must be in at least one of the three!
You forgot to mention how the ‘brave’ ChiComs fought against the virus introduced by the US to cause a world-wide pandemic and destroy the world economy! /s I wish that people with little or no understanding of reality, history or human nature would keep their yaps shut and let the adults in the room carry on important conversations! Communism IS slavery; with the Party elite ruling over the workers and the middle class utterly destroyed! Everywhere it’s been tried you get the same result so it’s not a ‘bug’ in the system; it IS the system! What a maroon!

Reply to  Abolition Man
July 6, 2020 12:18 pm

What simple minded nonsense. Has the pope ever started a business? You know what is the best kind of cooperative? A corporation where various shareholders pool together their capital to create products which people need.

Reply to  Baronius
July 6, 2020 3:17 pm

Are you sure you are responding to the right post? Your reply had nothing to do with what Abolition Man wrote.

not you
Reply to  Baronius
July 6, 2020 3:22 pm

heh, the RCC is heavily involved/invested in businesses globally, it’s tax free holdings are beyond measurement.

also, this pope is a jesuit. they know a thing or two about starting /running businesses and governments.

the jesuits have the largest network of schools on the planet, hospitals too. if you think these aren’t businesses then i don’t know what to say.

Reply to  Ozonebust
July 6, 2020 11:57 am

Really?? Start by checking out ‘the revered Leader’s’ fortune, and then work your way down the Party hirarchy.

Reply to  Ozonebust
July 6, 2020 3:14 pm

You make two claims, both of which are 180 degrees away from the truth.

Reply to  Ozonebust
July 6, 2020 6:27 pm

So you can be rich just so long as you follow the party line and make sure everyone else does as well 🙂

Reply to  Ozonebust
July 6, 2020 7:32 pm

You have just given the literal definition of Fascism

Ron Long
July 6, 2020 10:50 am

Amazing how every issue the Left/Socialist/Woke/BLM/etc mob gets around to is redistribution of wealth! They don’t mean you get something either, they mean they want part of yours. I live in Argentina and I have yet to meet a Papa Francisco supporter, enough said.

July 6, 2020 10:51 am

His Infalliblecy apparently is not familiar with the experience of the Plymouth Colony in 1623 with socialism. Perhaps because they were, in the eyes of the Vatican, heretics.

Phil R
Reply to  Nik
July 6, 2020 11:18 am

Also check out Robert Owen, Owenism, Utopian socialism and New Harmony, Indiana.

Dan Sudlik
Reply to  Nik
July 6, 2020 11:25 am

Infallibility and this Pope have nothing in common.

The Real Dustoff 82
July 6, 2020 11:26 am

Says the communist Pope as he is literally surrounded by the largest and most ostentatious display of wealth I have ever seen. Let me know when they start re-distributing the treasures of the Vatican. I have always been taken with the Etruscan gold. I call dibs on the scarab ring.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  The Real Dustoff 82
July 6, 2020 11:57 am

I want the hat.

Tiger Bee Fly
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 6, 2020 7:30 pm

It is a damn nice hat. Flip you for it? Best two out of three?

John Endicott
Reply to  Tiger Bee Fly
July 7, 2020 3:09 am

Who wants to call dibs on the popemobile?

Reply to  The Real Dustoff 82
July 6, 2020 2:20 pm

For the leadership it’s always a matter of “the strictures of communism for thee, but not for me”.

He doesn’t practice what he preaches, not his comments on Christianity, wealth redistribution or global warming/climate change. It’s always other people who must make the sacrifice.

Patrick B
July 6, 2020 11:28 am

Hearing Pope Francis espouse various communist ideals always reminds me of the baptismal promises: “Do you renounce Satan? And all his works? And all his empty promises”

July 6, 2020 11:34 am

If I were Catholic I’d be questioning my faith right now.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  WR2
July 6, 2020 1:19 pm

As a former Catholic who was brainwashed during years of indoctrination starting a a very young age, I can tell you it is not easy to question your supposed faith as a young person. It took me years of mental battles to break out of the guilt and fear instilled during those years. When finally I was able to free myself, I was half surprised that someone didn’t tell me my real name was David Webb.

Reply to  WR2
July 6, 2020 3:37 pm


Oh it’s much worse than that, I’m afraid. It seems the entire proposition of Catholicism is in dire crisis as of July 4, 2020. If the following is true the foundation for the existence of the Pope as head of the church is in question:

“JERUSALEM—In a decision that’s rocking the church around the world, Christian authorities have decided to revoke Simon Peter’s apostleship after disparaging comments against Gentiles were discovered in a personal journal dating back to Peter’s teen years.”

For the full story:

Reply to  sycomputing
July 6, 2020 9:07 pm

Its from babylonbee…where lampooning is an art form.

Reply to  DMacKenzie
July 6, 2020 9:13 pm

Bee informed!

July 6, 2020 11:34 am

Whether chicken eggs or even rutabagas, it’s still capital, the conserved wealth of production. Perhaps he’s referring to markets, which are, in fact, democratic distribution systems, proportional to capital reserves and future productivity.

Shoki Kaneda
July 6, 2020 11:35 am

I’m waiting for the Catholic Church to start redistributing some of their wealth. It will be a long wait.

Burt Snooks
July 6, 2020 11:35 am

The original colony founded by the Pilgrims had essentially the same parameters as the Pope defines and lasted through only one harvest before the failure of some colonists to contribute their labor killed the concept.

July 6, 2020 11:40 am

I would be happy to arrive penniless at the Vatican if they promise the share the wealth.

July 6, 2020 11:41 am

Is he the Pope of the Catholic Church, or the Pope of the UN & the far left ?


Joel Snider
July 6, 2020 11:42 am

‘In a fairer way’.

A lot of leftists use this phrase, and they never mean anything of the kind.

Andy in Epsom
July 6, 2020 11:45 am

Am I the only one that wants to throw up when the hypocrites go on about sharing wealth when they have most of it and won’t part with a penny?

Izaak Walton
July 6, 2020 12:00 pm

I am not sure you know what a co-operative is. You comment that:
“Pope Francis sadly does not explain why a system in which people work hard but other people receive the benefit is somehow fairer than a system in which people work hard and get to keep the benefit.”
gets it completely backwards. Co-operatives are businesses owned by the employees in which the profits all go back to the workers. Having a company owned by a small number of shareholders who do no work but get all the rewards is certainly less fair as you suggest.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 6, 2020 12:26 pm

Silly marxist. Why would it be more fair for someone who works at the factory to recieve a share of the profits? Do you have any idea about the millions of dollars invested, the engineers and consultants hired, the years of spending before a single dollor of profit is made? A wage is already a fair deal for someone who just shows up for work.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Baronius
July 6, 2020 1:28 pm

Perhaps you prefer that workers toil away everyday for only profits and no wages.
Independent contractors who work for commissions do that but they are the masters of their domain, working the schedules they want and as often and as hard as they want. The better they work, the more successful they are, the more money they make. But that is on an individual basis not as a group. Once you get into groups it falls apart do to unequal effort. That’s when resentment starts and the whole thing collapses.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 6, 2020 12:36 pm

I am not sure, Izaak, whether there is any point in trying to compare cooperatives to capital based systems on a moral basis.
The majority of businesses in the developed world tend not to be cooperatives, for several reasons , one of them being the ability,or lack of it, to grow . As you say, in cooperatives the profits go to the workers. Fine , but suppose there are low , or no, profits, how can the business grow ? In the capital based businesses , the business can grow by the selling of part of the ownership and the share holders are not necessarily parasites as you seem to be suggesting . The money they put in has to come from somewhere. In most cases it comes from people working, not ncessarily in the business where their spare money or pension funds are invested, but in some activity. Is that work therefore morally inferior to the work of the people engaged in cooperatives ? And , as all ads for investment warn you , the shareholders can lose as well as gain . It means that in capital based businesses the people working there are maintained in their employment by the money that is effectively entrusted to them by others, not by the money put in by themselves , as in cooperatives . Is that really an immoral situation? Some might consider it more moral, because it demonstrates a faith in the goodwill of workers to use the cash supplied to them for everyone’s benefit.

Reply to  mikewaite
July 6, 2020 3:27 pm

In the “minds” of people like Izaak, if I start a business and spend 20 years working long hours, weekends and holidays growing that business, should I decide to hire someone to help me.
It’s only fair that I give that person half the profits of the business.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 6, 2020 3:15 pm


I am not sure you know what a co-operative is.

Are you sure you do?

Co-operatives are businesses owned by the employees in which the profits all go back to the workers.

That’s a little naive. By their own admission, proponents of cooperative models acknowledge they have a capital problem. Since they don’t have the option of outside wealth for investment purposes, where are they going to get the filthy lucre to start and continue operating their business? As such common sense suggests their business models require self-capitalization, meaning a percentage of profits must be held back as investment capital into the cooperative for growth, R&D, etc. Some countries require this reinvestment by law as a function of organizing a cooperative. Take for example, Italy (emphasis added):

By law, cooperatives in Italy are required to plow back at least 30% of their net profits, although research shows that Italian cooperatives often voluntarily plow back much more than this, sometimes up to 100%. These capital reserves cannot be divided between members, even if the cooperative eventually closes shop. This arrangement is usually called an asset lock. (Navarra 2016; Navarra 2009; Pérotin 2012)

But even if not state required, the profits of cooperatives can NOT “all go back to the workers.” That’s a recipe for failure, and failure contradicts the reason for the cooperative to exist at all.

Go here for a primer on the largest cooperative poster-child (so-called anyway, turns it really isn’t a pure cooperative at all) in the world:

And in other news, AOC talks to the press about her aspirations after politics:

“When asked what they were going to do with their lives, Democrats’ answers varied. ‘I’m going to open a store where everything is free,’ said Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thoughtfully. ‘Like, a lot of stores charge money, but it seems like that would make you have less customers. The law of supplies and demanding, as discovered by economist Milton Keynes, says that the more free stuff you have, the more customers you have. It’s a great business idea. But capitalists are too greedy to do it.'”

Reply to  sycomputing
July 6, 2020 3:30 pm

Isn’t the Babylon Bee a satire site?

Reply to  MarkW
July 6, 2020 4:57 pm


What, you don’t think AOC could truly be quoted as having said such a thing?

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 6, 2020 3:21 pm

So the people who provide the money to start up the company don’t deserve even their own money back?

What’s fair about that?

Why should anyone be paid more than their labor is worth?

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 8, 2020 11:13 am

Izaak, Eric is of course is talking about co-operatives in the same sense as the Pope does — in marxist terms, not business terms. Play dumb much?

July 6, 2020 12:02 pm

“… renewable sources of energy which ensure local self-sufficiency and even the sale of surplus energy….”

The man is completely ignorant about economics and engineering and power.

CD in Wisconsin
July 6, 2020 12:08 pm

“They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work” (Soviet joke)

Mark Luhman
July 6, 2020 12:17 pm

All I know for certain is if there is Heaven and I get there, I will not meet the present Pope there. That pope will be were most do not want to go, that is if there is a Hell.

Killer Marmot
July 6, 2020 12:20 pm

People are free to create or join co-operatives if they so wish. Yet co-operatives are rare in today’s society. A few companies which are employee owned, some religion-based farming communes, and not much else.

Why is that? Could it be that the most people do not find them inviting?

Robert Hanson
July 6, 2020 12:43 pm

Brings to mind the old Soviet Union joke: “they pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work”.

Inevitably this is what always happens. Case in point, the Pilgrims first Thanksgiving. The Plymouth Plantation was initially based on a “coop” system, where everyone farmed, and the food that resulted was divided equally. Weaker members of the Colony literally starved to death, and everyone went hungry.

Fearing the total demise of the Colony, the system was changed, so that everyone worked their own plot of land, and kept what they produced. And guess what, when people worked for themselves, they worked much harder then they would when they worked for everyone else. Resulting in an abundance of food that not only kept them from starving, but produced an excess that could be used for the original Thanksgiving Feast.

A lesson from 400 years ago, that so few, including this Pope, have failed to learn from.

July 6, 2020 1:04 pm

Community cooperatives, the pope is a bit old to be a hippy isn’t he ?

Robert Hanson
July 6, 2020 1:23 pm

Actually, the Pope hopes no one who hears this will actually think thru the implications. The Vatican is one of the most hierarchal, and richest, private organizations in the world. One of the estimates I’ve seen is a net worth of $30 Billion, while others value it at $50 Billion.

So yes, let’s make it a Coop, and give each church member an equal vote in it’s operation. That would be far more far then just letting the Pope do whatever he pleases. Let’s have a vote on selling the priceless artworks in the Vatican Museum, and giving the proceeds to the poor. I’m sure St Francis would heartily approve. LOL

Reply to  Robert Hanson
July 7, 2020 1:51 pm

In Christianity there are two forms of church governance: self governing local congregations, and the hierarchal model with top-down control. Evangelical churches typically choose their own pastors and control their own church properties. However they generally do participate in cooperative denominational programs to support seminaries, foreign missions, etc. In other words, they are following the model that Frances recommends.

In contrast, Frances leads a very hierarchical example of the other form.

July 6, 2020 1:39 pm

You see here why the Swiss are reluctant to pull the plug on their secret banking system to the world.

Tom Pettigrew
July 6, 2020 1:47 pm

How many people did Catholicism lift out of poverty since 1990? I have no idea. But…

How many people did Capitalism lift out of poverty since 1990? 1.25Billion! [From ]

Pope Francis, you’d better start selling all the art, chalices, jeweled crosses, buildings, land-holdings, etc. and get busy handing the proceeds out to the poor! You have some catching up to do.

July 6, 2020 1:56 pm

The Pontifical Academy of Sciences holds a membership roster of the most respected names in 20th century science, including such Nobel laureates as Ernest Rutherford, Max Planck, Otto Hahn, Niels Bohr, Erwin Schrödinger. Current membership is listed by Wikipedia, with the longest serving member a Nobel prize laureate Swiss microbiologist Werner Arber.

Tiger Bee Fly
Reply to  Vuk
July 6, 2020 7:18 pm

And your point is?…

Joz Jonlin
July 6, 2020 2:10 pm

Captitalism – people-centred development

The aim of the annual celebration is to increase awareness about capitalism. Being people-centred, not socialist-centred, capitalists distribute wealth in a fairer way. As farms, businesses, or other organizations which are owned and run singly or jointly by citizens who share the profits or benefits, capitalists are committed to the sustainable development of their communities, environmentally, socially as well as economically. They support community activities, local sourcing of supplies to benefit the local economy, and decision-making that considers the impact on their communities.

There, I fixed that paragraph. It actually makes more sense than the socialist/communist message these people are attempting to foist on the world.

Socialists fail to address a fundamental aspect of humanity, and that’s competition. If you put two people in a room, eventually, some sort of competition will occur between them. This is the very nature of humanity. If you remove all normal outlets for competition, new outlets will be created. If you place people in a completely socialist/communist society, the most industrious and motivated people will still attempt to get ahead of the people around them while the rest become mired in morass of nihilistic depression and a complete lack of motivation.

Socialists/communists present themselves as a more fair system of wealth distribution. That might be true if you consider that the overwhelming majority of people will be on the lowest financial and social rung in society. We can see this wherever socialism/communism is implemented. Because it doesn’t address human nature, it will always fail. The accumulated cost in human lives, alone, should send people running from the idea.

July 6, 2020 2:18 pm

Per St. Paul to the Thessalonians:
6Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who leads an undisciplined life that is not in keeping with the tradition you receivedb from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not undisciplined among you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. Instead, in labor and toil, we worked night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9Not that we lack this right, but we wanted to offer ourselves as an example for you to imitate. 10For even while we were with you, we gave you this command: “If anyone is unwilling to work, he shall not eat.”

Chris Hanley
July 6, 2020 2:21 pm

Distributism has been a long-standing economic theory in the Catholic Church since before WW1.
The Mondragon Co-operative in the Basque region is often cited as a successful example of distributism in practice.
I’m not an advocate, I’m just putting the Pope’s views in context.

Tiger Bee Fly
Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 6, 2020 7:23 pm

You’re assuming an awful lot about the Pope’s views. To me, they look just like a lot of the other 1960s-issue leftist dogma we’ve seen from him.

July 6, 2020 2:24 pm

FFS, a Pope lecturing on Climate Change whilst Priest’s are still abusing children.

Am I angry?

You bet!

Right-Handed Shark
July 6, 2020 2:35 pm

The catholic church is not only one of the original capitalist organisations, they mastered the art of selling products with no intrinsic value, no production costs and no capital outlay. And if you won’t buy salvation, they offer you indulgences. Profit all the way.

July 6, 2020 2:36 pm

The Pope doesn’t know his bible.
“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

Reply to  rah
July 6, 2020 10:22 pm

Another example of the pope’s biblical illiteracy:

Jesus said: “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, …” John 18:36 What does the pope say about the use of force used by communist guerillas to spread their ideology in various South American countries during the past decades?

July 6, 2020 2:37 pm

Let’s distribute and eat all the seed corn. Then we can all be equal in death with nothing left to plant for the future. That’s what this silly marxist is really saying.

Climate believer
July 6, 2020 2:38 pm

Rather than telling everybody that will listen what to do with their money, he might serve his god better by cleaning up his filthy pedophile priest problem.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Climate believer
July 6, 2020 2:42 pm

Problem? I thought it was a requirement for the job.. ?

July 6, 2020 2:50 pm

Who cares how poor they are, so long as they are fair.

I’m guessing that the Pope has never actually dealt with real world “cooperatives”. The reality is that those who run them always end up wealthier than those who work for them.

Like most Marxist, it’s the thought the count, not the number of people who have to die to implement the thought.

July 6, 2020 2:52 pm

Under capitalism, each person is paid based on their contribution.
Under socialism, each person is paid based on how well they can kiss up to the boss.

BTW, what can be fairer than each person being paid based on their contribution?
Why should those who don’t contribute be paid as well?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  MarkW
July 7, 2020 4:40 am

Yet we accept the Earned Income Credit as a good thing. For those outside the U.S. The EIC is where certain family qualifications allow you to get a tax “refund” even though you did not pay any taxes.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 7, 2020 6:34 am

what do you mean we kemosabe?

And technically you are wrong about them not paying any taxes. Those who claim the EIC must have earned some income (IE had a paying job working for someone else), that income is still subject to taxes (payroll taxes such as for SS or unemployment not to mention all the other government fees and taxes those claimants are subject to regardless of their income level, such as sales tax, registration fees, etc). What you really mean is they get an *income* tax “refund” even though they did not pay enough income tax to warrant that refund IE the “refund” is larger than the taxes paid/withheld.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  John Endicott
July 7, 2020 5:29 pm

What you say is true but having earned income and owing taxes are not the same. A single mother with kids who has a job may have a small amount of taxes out of her paycheck but her low income would mean she owed no taxes due to exemptions. So she gets all the withholding back (paid no taxes) and she gets the EIC.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 8, 2020 2:36 am

Again, you are misspeaking due to there being more than one kind of tax. Getting your income tax withholding back is not the same thing as paying no taxes. Sorry but it isn’t. Your SS, Unemployment, and other payroll taxes are not counted in the income tax withholding. Any sales tax, gas tax, or other fees and taxes you pay are also not counted in income tax withholding. So while it’s true that someone getting the EIC can get more back than was withheld for income tax purposes, that is *not* the same thing as “paid no taxes” (what you really mean was “effectively paid no *income* taxes – though to be entirely strictly speaking it should be “effectively paid no *federal income* taxes as they might still have a state income tax bill to pay). The EIC money would have to be greater than all those other taxes paid as well in order for “paid no taxes” to be true. It isn’t. Not even close in most cases.

July 6, 2020 3:12 pm

The church has allowed itself to be corrupted and should ashamed of itself. Pope Francis is a mess.

Catholics believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Those are permanent; whereas Popes and clergy come and go. Think about it this way. Assume we strive to follow Christ’s teachings as best we can. There are two outcomes:

1. Heavenly reward far, far more wonderful than anything we can possibly imagine.

2. No reward but living a virtuous life and attempting to raise a good family and, hopefully, making a contribution or two to society along the way.

Neither of those sounds so terrible to me. Thus, I do not question my faith.

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WR2 July 6, 2020 at 11:34 am
If I were Catholic I’d be questioning my faith right now.

July 6, 2020 3:29 pm

Appoint a socialist as Pope and socialism is what you will get. Thank God my ancestors were Huguenots and Protestants, f**k the catholic crime family f**ks.

July 6, 2020 3:57 pm

In the end, Socialism always fails because people cannot see the sense in working hard when the benefits of the labour go to others who have done nothing. In the end, “They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work”.

July 6, 2020 4:03 pm

Awesome, Francis. When can we move in?

Steve Clough
July 6, 2020 4:18 pm

Imagine if athletic competitions were like this proposal. Here in the states, the NFL (US football) is the king of sports. Say we were to instill this sense of “fairness” towards each NFL team. For an example, let’s look at the wide receiver position. To make everything fair between teams, a wide receiver who is faster than an other player would not be allowed to out run any other wide receiver but would have to run at, let’s say at 85% of their ability. This would give the other teams, who have slower players the ability to better compete, just to make it fair. Applying this obscure logic to every player and every team would keep all teams pretty much equal while no one wins and no one loses. This just makes it fairer for everyone. No championship, no Super Bowl. No progress and no incentive to win. Everyone ties. 8 wins and 8 loses for everyone!

Reply to  Steve Clough
July 6, 2020 4:32 pm

Sorry, you are late to the party, Harrison Burgeon. I don’t even like Vonnegut, he nailed this.

Timo, not that one
Reply to  Steve Clough
July 6, 2020 5:46 pm

Of course the NFL is pissing all over the flag and the National Anthem and as a result will soon be bankrupt.
More of a lesson in how not to run a capitalist organization.

John Endicott
Reply to  Steve Clough
July 7, 2020 6:16 am

All the players get participation trophies. Even the players who didn’t participate!

Abolition Man
July 6, 2020 5:24 pm

How can the Pope, who is purportedly a Catholic, be spouting credos of two competing religions; Marxism and Climastrology?
Marxism, which is a secular religion trying identify as an economic and political system, sounds good to the young and inexperienced mind. Unfortunately the sociopaths and psychopaths always rise to the top, like scum on a putrid pond of stockyard runoff. Our system of tripartite government is suppose to prevent this from occurring but without an honest media to point out the crime and corruption of our representatives and bureaucrats we will lose in the long run.
Climastrology, or GangGreen, is a nihilistic, anti-science, anti-human religious cult that incorporates the vagueness of Marxism with the worship of Nature or Gaia. It is interesting to look at the steady decline in CO2 over the last 40 or 50 Mys and think that human interference in the natural cycles may be the only way to preserve Life on Earth from dying of CO2 starvation. Oh, the irony!
If the Pope really wishes to help the poor and needy people of our world he might want to promote capitalism; which has lifted more people out of poverty, and provided freedom and prosperity to a larger percentage of humanity than any other system developed so far! But if he wants to go with the sharing deal I think he should start at home! I would love one of those crown thingies he wears for important occasions; it would look really cool and would probably get a lot of comments at the gun range!

John the Econ
July 6, 2020 5:54 pm

Capitalism over the last quarter century has lifted more people out of abject poverty than any planned system has ever. I guess helping the poor is no longer a Christian mandate.

John Endicott
Reply to  John the Econ
July 7, 2020 2:55 am

You can’t help the poor without the existence of the poor. He’s just making sure there’s plenty of poor to help /sarc

Tom Johnson
July 6, 2020 6:00 pm

The Pope clearly doesn’t understand the difference between creating wealth and distributing wealth. Wealth is one thing on earth created by man, not God. Wealth is created only when the labor to produce something costs less than the value that is produced. Whether someone is mining gold, or curing a fatal disease, that’s the only formula that matters. If there is little wealth to distribute, the method of distributing it is is irrelevant. Governments mostly destroy wealth, as do most “distribution” schemes. In the US, some estimates go as high as 70% of the wealth confiscated by taxation for distribution to the poor is wasted in the government. The history of the world has proven that capitalism is the best method known for the creation of wealth. It doesn’t matter at all what the “wealth gap” is if the poor have sufficient wealth for their own lives. Most achieve that best by their own labor, not by distribution schemes.

Van Doren
Reply to  Tom Johnson
July 7, 2020 8:11 am

All commies believe in zero-sum game and stolen wealth.

July 6, 2020 6:10 pm

Sounds more Pol Pot than John Paul ll.

Chris Hanley
July 6, 2020 6:18 pm

In the preface of a later edition of his novel Pickwick Papers, Dickens summed up organized Christianity:
‘… it is never out of season to protest against that coarse familiarity with the sacred things which is busy on the lip, and idle in the heart; or against the confounding of Christianity with any class of persons who, in the words of Swift, have just enough religion to make them hate, and not enough to make them love, one another “.

Geoff Sherrington
July 6, 2020 6:23 pm

A prominent observation now I approach 80 years is about a change in the structure of many societies.
That change has produced a larger proportion of people whose main effort is telling other people what they should and should not do.
This change is real. It is measurable. It can be analysed to see if it has been a good change or a bad change. My personal conclusion is bad. I cannot say that we should reverse it, because then I would be guilty of telling others what to do.
In any case, my voice is small. People tend to listen to authority. For many religious people, the Pope is a high authority. It follows that I consider it extra bad when he tells others what they should and should not do, particularly when the topic is outside his field of experience.
He now appears as an actor in a commercial, an advertisement written by others to foist upon people they want to dominate.
Pity they did not choose productive, caring, life work instead of lazy, make-me-richer, parasitic time wasting.
Geoff S

July 6, 2020 7:00 pm

Wouldn’t it be nice if at least the f-king pope wasn’t political. There is plenty for him to do regarding the faith without getting involved in Marxist BS politics. Worst Pope in my lifetime. Geezus!

Reply to  InterestedBystander
July 6, 2020 7:02 pm

Worst Pope in my lifetime. Geezus!

[Anti] Geezus.

There, that’s better.

July 6, 2020 7:00 pm

This man is small compared to the former Pope John Paul. Francis is a perfect example of a cross between a Catholic and a Marxist. God does work in mysterious ways.

Wolf at the door
Reply to  Bill
July 7, 2020 1:11 am

“Or when technology is directed primarily to solve people’s concrete problems…”
Like allowing 2 billion people fossil fuels to provide electricity for heating and lighting.
As a Catholic I begin to despair of this pope. The road to hell is paved with good intentions ,what we need is good actions.

Old Ranga from Oz
July 6, 2020 7:43 pm

The purpose behind The Great Scam has always been wealth redistribution – at someone else’s expense.

July 6, 2020 8:54 pm

Close the Vatican and sell it off and distribute the funds out to the local cooperatives you reckon boss? That worked really well with the decentralised local Sheiks and Imams with the competition for souls.

July 6, 2020 9:31 pm

Perhaps the Roman Catholic Churh’s Pope Francis can first show us the way by distributing the RCC’s own enormous wealth to show everyone how that works out.

July 6, 2020 11:11 pm

Make the world Amish again!

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 7, 2020 1:12 am

Joseph Stalin said something similar when he forcefully introduced the kolkhoz system of collective farms. Ask the Ukrainians how that panned out.

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 7, 2020 1:14 am

The pope makes a logical error. He assumes there will be wealth to distribute.

Wolf at the door
July 7, 2020 2:44 am

Isaac Asimov(I think!)
“Against stupidity the God’s themselves contend in vain.”

July 7, 2020 2:49 am

Strange, no mention of the right honorable author of that “Laudato Si”, why none other than Dr. “John” Schellnhuber, CBE , who just happens also to be the author of Merkel’s Great Transformation.
Now, the good Doctor, founder of the alarmist Potsdam Climate Institute, PIK, is rather outspoken on population, willing personally to accept 1 billion, how generous of his righteousness.

The British Queen herself honored the good Dr. with a CBE, Commander of the British Empire, at the Berlin Embassy in 2004. It should be the Order of Malthus.

What is not clear is how the Pope can ignore this?
Anyway it is not the first time the Vatican worked for power-elites. Take the founder of the Jesuits, Ignatius of Loyola, who retiring as a mercenary just happened to set his begging bowl at the door to the Doge’s Palace in Venice, until the wealthiest man in the world gave him his son for tutoring.

Sure gives a Papal angle to “follow the money”, what?

July 7, 2020 3:06 am

A bit of scholarship might be in order: The mummery of “cooperatives” is taken directly from Mussolinin’s Communitarianism. However that idea is G.K. Chesterton’s and Hilaire Belloc’s, both “catholic” fervent Mussolini supporters.
Look at Cameron and Osborne recently with a plan whose avowed author is one Phillip Blond. Blond laid out his thinking in a September 2008 article titled “Medieval Thinking,” in which he wrote: “Updating and recovering this earlier medieval model for the modern age is of course the task.”

Medieval Thinking? Communitarianism? Is this a severe case or royal nostalgia? What Blond seeks is a return to the bliss of the Dark Ages, before it was destroyed (in his view) by “secular monarchs.” He elaborates his vision:

“We will all become property owners, as joint owners of community investment trusts, which will create local cooperatives and “indeed guilds, around which people can invest.” Britain should hand its local post offices over to these local trusts. And so forth.”

Jousting next?

July 7, 2020 6:56 am

The finances of the Holy See are starting to look a lot like Argentina.

Andy Pattullo
July 8, 2020 9:46 am

Cooperative’s equally distribute poverty, hunger and misery…. except to those in charge who, by virtue of their beneficence are rewarded the cream, not for producing more but for ensuring no one else produces more.

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