Fauci: Americans “Don’t Believe Science”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, has just suggested Americans don’t believe science.

Anthony Fauci: Americans ‘Don’t Believe Science and They Don’t Believe Authority’


Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, served up harsh criticism of Americans on Thursday, asserting that the country suffers from what he described as an “anti-science bias” problem.

“One of the problems we face in the United States is that unfortunately, there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are — for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable and not understandable — they just don’t believe science and they don’t believe authority,” Fauci told the Learning Curve podcast, which is produced by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

“So when they see someone up in the White House, which has an air of authority to it, who’s talking about science, that there are some people who just don’t believe that — and that’s unfortunate because, you know, science is truth,” Fauci continued, referring to the White House coronavirus task force’s once-daily briefings.

“It’s amazing sometimes the denial there is, it’s the same thing that gets people who are anti-vaxxers, who don’t want people to get vaccinated, even though the data clearly indicate the safety of vaccines,” he added. “That’s really a problem.”

Read more: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/18/anthony-fauci-americans-dont-believe-science-and-they-dont-believe-authority/

The words were spoken in an episode of “Learning Curve”, hosted by the US Department of Health and Human Services. The “don’t believe science” comments are made around the 15 minute mark.

The following is a short excerpt from the full interview of Dr. Fauci speaking the quoted words:

Fauci also said people should believe him and trust him, because of his long track record of always speaking the truth, through six administrations.

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John the Econ
June 19, 2020 10:07 am

Says the scientist who was repeatedly wrong and lied.

Reply to  John the Econ
June 19, 2020 12:16 pm

Speaking as a scientist (PhD Theoretical Physics) a) Scientists don’t believe science – we push, we prod, we doubt, we ask to see the evidence. b) Scientists selectively look “out of the box” to suss out whether there are alternative explanations for the evidence. c) For Scientists, “out of the box” might include, for example, preconceived notions, prejudice, strange attractors in the social dynamics, chaos theory, political motivations, financial interests, “lies to children,” etc.
Non-scientists are not stupid, so if non-scientists do not believe your science, you need to up your game. You need to show that you were also skeptical at first, and that you have considered other possible explanations, and why you rejected them.

Joel Snider
Reply to  boffin77
June 19, 2020 12:49 pm

In laymen’s terms, asking a lot of questions, and making a lot of speculations, leaves a lot of room to be wrong – which is a natural part of the process.

That’s what the average person doesn’t seem to understand.

Rhoda R
Reply to  Joel Snider
June 19, 2020 3:06 pm

Oh we can understand uncertainty just fine. It’s the unquestionable pronouncements coming down from Mt. Olympus that get up our noses.

Reply to  Joel Snider
June 20, 2020 4:12 am

The average person does understand they are being lied to.

Reply to  boffin77
June 19, 2020 8:15 pm

“Speaking as a scientist (PhD Theoretical Physics)”

unverified credentialism.

Psst we cannot verify your appeal to your own credentials.
2nd, they dont matter

Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 19, 2020 8:48 pm

Steve so hates it when other people try to steal his schtick.

Under The Bridge
Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 20, 2020 3:42 am

“unverified credentialism.”

That doesn’t mean that his comment shouldn’t be considered. It should be taken as a potential clue that maybe he knows what he’s talking about.

“Psst we cannot verify your appeal to your own credentials.”

You don’t understand what an “appeal to authority” fallacy means if you don’t udnerstand that expertise matters in some way.

“2nd, they dont matter”

See? What he’s written about science suggests that perhaps his science background confers an understanding of how science works. Where he’s off-base is his phrasing: even though he italicizes “scientists”, it’s scientists who are much of the problem with pop science. It’s scientists who screw up the scientific method and who fail to convey research to the public in a way that is helpful. Science is fine, but scientists are very human with every human fault that the rest of us have.

Brooks Hurd
Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 20, 2020 5:31 am

Well said, Steve.

After living in the DC area for 8+ years, I realized that one’s level in the Federal bureaucracy is based almost exclusively on credentials, not on competency. In the private sector, where I have spent my career, advancement is much more related to accomplishments.

Fauci is stunned that after he continues to make statements which are based on his opinions rather than on hard data, that we no longer accept what he says.

Reply to  Brooks Hurd
June 20, 2020 9:01 am

Distrust of “scientists” is not distrust of science. I doubt that bureaucrats would recognize science if it bit them on the

Reply to  Brooks Hurd
June 23, 2020 12:34 pm

It’s really simple actually.

Many people don’t trust opinions. Many people don’t trust models. Many people don’t trust scientists with conflicts of interest (Fauci with Gilead). Many people don’t trust a scientist who won’t do a simple but valid test of an hypothesis (does HCQ work safely within the first few days of COVID infection).

For those people (myself included) it’s kind of like Jerry McGuire and “Show me the Money.” We say, “Show me the Data!” For example, show me the death rate compared to people with COVID antibodies, which is in the same ballpark (but somewhat higher) as seasonal flu deaths.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRl_sBg6GX8&w=895&h=480%5D

Many people don’t believe that you have to order, at the end of a gun, people to give up their jobs, their relationships, and their freedom, to slow the rate of COVID infections so that hospitals are not overwhelmed.

People aren’t stupid. All you have to do is lay out the data and recommend that people voluntarily restrict their activities and wear masks for a while.

And Fauci wonders why people don’t trust him (which he translates into don’t trust science).

john harmsworth
Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 20, 2020 10:22 am

With or without the credentials, he or she is right. We believed in Thalidomide and Cholesterol and an unknown number of drugs for which some results were selectively withheld so as not to interfere with their very lucrative approval. The good doctor’s field of endevour might be the only serious competitor for climate “science” as tops in fraud, opportunism and intellectual dishonesty.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 20, 2020 11:19 am

Right, credentials don’t matter, Steven. But mentioning them invites readers to critique my opinions more intensely, or riff on my opinions in slightly different ways.
Sorry I can’t identify myself by name – it allows me to speak more freely while still feeding my family.

Eric Barnes
Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 21, 2020 3:14 pm

Accidentally read the comment without noticing it was Mosher. I’m going to take him off of my mental block list!

Reply to  boffin77
June 19, 2020 9:35 pm

“show that you were also skeptical at first, and that you have considered other possible explanations, and why you rejected them.”

Then say it’s worse than you thought, that your opponents believe the earth is flat and are a bunch of doo-doo brains, and that there’s a consensus.

john harmsworth
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 20, 2020 10:32 am

“Hot! and flat. Please maintain the consensus, without which science itself would surely crumble.

Reply to  boffin77
June 19, 2020 10:04 pm

“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned.”

(Richard Feynman)

Reply to  boffin77
June 20, 2020 2:41 am

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts.” — Richard Feynman (Nobel-prize-winning physicist)

Reply to  John the Econ
June 19, 2020 1:18 pm

Reply to  icisil
June 19, 2020 3:06 pm

… every single time.

What about the experts in Taiwan. What did they get right? They are more tuned in to China than even the Chinese maybe. In one of his podcasts, Scott Adams blames everything on China. I think it’s this one.

I love the Chinese people. I love Chinese culture. I loathe and fear the Chinese government. I suggest we pay very very close attention to what’s going on in China. We missed the boat this time. Maybe we’ll be smarter next time.

Reply to  commieBob
June 19, 2020 3:41 pm

“What about the experts in Taiwan. What did they get right?” My understanding is Taiwan was the first country outside of China to identify a problem. They sent samples of the virus to WHO in December and was the first country to lock down. China told WHO to destroy the samples “because it was too dangerous and they didn’t have the means to contain it” and began quarantining WUHAN while letting international flights to continue. The world could have had the same results as Taiwan if China had acted responsibly. Or China knew exactly what they were doing, knew the danger, tried to hide it, and released #19 on the world.

Brooks H Hurd
Reply to  markl
June 20, 2020 5:42 am

“The world could have had the same results as Taiwan….” if the world had taken the same steps as did Taiwan.

Taiwan never removed the thermal cameras which they used to screen incoming passengers at TPE during the SARS outbreak.

Taiwan sent a team of physicians to Wuhan in mid December to help. This team realized that SARS-COV-2 patients were in isolation, which meant human to human transmission.

The WHO is responsible for ignoring Taiwan’s warnings.

Reply to  commieBob
June 19, 2020 4:12 pm

I’m not a fan of the erhu.

Reply to  Scissor
June 19, 2020 4:44 pm

Shen Yun is Falun Dafa. I like them about as much as I like the current Chinese government.

Reply to  Scissor
June 19, 2020 5:37 pm

I’d rather listen to the GuZheng. It’s an Oriental version of the zither, and just about every land on Earth has some kind of zither. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDMg01S603Q

Reply to  Scissor
June 19, 2020 6:38 pm

This pretty cool.

J Mac
Reply to  Scissor
June 20, 2020 8:57 am

That is very cool…. Thanks!

Reply to  Scissor
June 20, 2020 12:36 pm


Reply to  icisil
June 19, 2020 4:07 pm

Thinking about getting a T-shirt.

W G Lowe Jr
Reply to  John the Econ
June 19, 2020 2:12 pm

Scientists have lost all credibility in my book. Either there is a narrative they must prove regardless of the science or they need to have an outcome that produces the most cash for themselves.
The amount of flip flops the coronavirus task force, CDC, WHO Etc. did on face mask alone is enough to make one doubt any utterance these experts make.

mario lento
Reply to  W G Lowe Jr
June 19, 2020 2:20 pm

re: “Scientists have lost all credibility in my book.”

Let’s be careful to be impeccable with our words. I do not think painting an entire group of people with accusations will ever lead to a cogent discussion. I do not think you meant to do that, but we can more precisely state things. Pick a descriptor that describes the specific scientists who have caused a loss of credibility, because there are many scientists who follow good scientific process.

Robert Austin
Reply to  mario lento
June 19, 2020 7:20 pm

See Eisenhower’s farewell address. All fields of science can be bought. There was a “disgrace to the profession” who represented the corruption of science but the scientific community was largely silent. Sorry but the good and homourable scientists will have to clean house. I am not actually from Missouri as was Harry Truman but I am from Missouri when it comes to authoritative claims. Respect is earned, not obtained by divine right.

mario lento
Reply to  Robert Austin
June 19, 2020 10:26 pm

Please read my post gain. I believe there are a lot of paid for bad scientists. But the act of being a scientist is not in and of itself a bad thing. Of course, we probably agree that climate science is corrupt, most of it. But many are good and have done good work, excellent in many cases.

W G Lowe Jr
Reply to  mario lento
June 19, 2020 9:40 pm

Mario, I am quite sure there are honorable scientists. Some of them post and leave comments on this site. I think they are in the minority. The empirical evidence for the vast majority suggests the scientific method has been abandoned in favor of a predetermined outcome. It’s not longer follow the science. Follow the money and/or ideology and make the science conform. How dare you lay people question the gospel. Fauci statement says as much.

Garland Lowe
Reply to  W G Lowe Jr
June 19, 2020 10:12 pm

Fauci’s statement

mario lento
Reply to  W G Lowe Jr
June 19, 2020 10:27 pm

I agree with you completely on this statement!

Reply to  W G Lowe Jr
June 19, 2020 3:09 pm

Politicians have tried to usurp “science” for their own ideology….but rather than spruce up their ideology, they instead tainted science.

Reply to  Joey
June 20, 2020 5:14 am

Correct. Government “scientists” are little different than the Catholic clergy of the monarchies that supplied the “science” of the king’s right to rule by divine providence. In this fashion they got to share in the plunder from the peasants and the crown got the peasants to voluntarily give up their freedom and property.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  W G Lowe Jr
June 19, 2020 7:18 pm

It is fair to point out that today scientists facing the public have in large measure demanded they be believed in the same way priests of old did, on the basis they have a special knowledge not accessible to the general public and are therefore “in the know” while others outside are not. In religious terms this is called “Gnostic knowledge”. It was of course, a heresy in the days of yore, and rooted out by the Church.

Religion often gets a bad rap in scientific discussions because it is convenient, but many of the advances in science over the last 1600 years were made in research centres sponsored by the anti-gnostics who felt that a faith in strict logic and experiment led to useful discoveries. They were right, many times.

Now that wanna-be leaders demand their version of the world be accepted unexamined by the unwashed and unschooled, we have weak assertions, coincidental correlations based on far too many secret files. Those devoted to the truth will not be impressed

Curious George
Reply to  John the Econ
June 19, 2020 2:24 pm

“they just don’t believe [my] science and they don’t believe [my] authority”.

Reply to  Curious George
June 19, 2020 3:05 pm

It never ceases to amaze me how liberals just assume that everyone is supposed to believe whatever they (the liberals) say.
They are shocked, even horrified, whenever they find out that people have doubts about them.
Some of them might even want to cry.

Reply to  MarkW
June 19, 2020 3:53 pm

They’re on the right side of history, so it’s not possible for them to be wrong.

And they freak out at any suggestion that they may be wrong, because if they’re wrong then they aren’t on the right side of history, and their entire lives of virtue-signalling have been wasted.

The ‘woke’ left is just another cult at this point.

Weylan McAnally
Reply to  MarkG
June 23, 2020 2:38 pm

Written by the leftist progressive Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous Mind is a very well researched book on the foundations of moral psychology and the many reasons humans behave the way they do. One excellent point in the book concerns overwhelming confirmation bias innate in every human and our inability to detect or correct it. This bias is expressed in righteous indignation to conflicting facts. This innate confirmation bias leads us to seek contrary facts and ask “Must I believe this?” Thus these folks search for flaws/errors that show the facts are in error. Find one ‘error’ and the person no longer must believe.
Confirmation bias also leads to searching for confirming facts if we desire something to be true (see, there are pictures of aliens! They really exist!).

One very interesting conclusion in the book – leftists rely on only three of the six foundations of moral psychology exclusively, whereas, conservatives rely on all six equally. Consequently, conservatives are better than progressives at seeing another person’s perspective.

One study cited indicates that extreme political beliefs are actually addictive and solicit the secretion of dopamine to the pleasure center. It feels good to be righteously angry at your political opponent.

mario lento
Reply to  Weylan McAnally
June 23, 2020 3:14 pm

Weylan: I think there should be a post that discusses the phenomenon you laid out, about the human condition and related the lessons to specific science issues that have become politicized.

Doctor Savage, whom I’d actually met in public, (reached out and we shook hands), describes liberalism as a mental disorder. That’s evidently a simplification of what you wrote. I use the term slices, suggesting that some people are missing slices within their cognitive ability to reason… and you have described that there are some 6 “slices.” Well done!

Richard Patton
Reply to  Weylan McAnally
June 23, 2020 6:06 pm

The addiction of being “right.” We all-myself included-are susceptible to it.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  MarkW
June 20, 2020 11:23 am

Yet, Liberals do not believe what they say. They will say literally anything they feel necessary at the moment, while reserving the right to completely contradict it later, if necessity arises.
Liberalism Is Violence.

Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  John the Econ
June 19, 2020 9:44 pm

It’s the absolute certainty contained in ‘scientific’ proclamations, especially the consensual ones, that raise the mistrust level in us unwashed publicans. After all, mere repetition of unfounded and unprovable claims does not confer any papal-type infallibility.

Reply to  John the Econ
June 19, 2020 11:46 pm

They just don’t believe proven liars.

Reply to  John the Econ
June 20, 2020 3:05 am

Fauci has science and authority mixed up.
People trust science if you show them the proof, not if you tell them to believe you.
You’re not a prophet do not act like one.

old white guy
Reply to  John the Econ
June 20, 2020 1:43 pm

Americans haven’t seen any real science in a very long time.

Reply to  John the Econ
June 20, 2020 10:28 pm

Anthony Fauchi loses any shred of credibility he might have when it’s examined in the context of his personal financial investment pharmaceutical companies that stood any potential gain from activities at the NIH, where he has significant influence. His conflicts of interest call into question any statement he might make as a scientist. He should be stripped of his platform and credentials and left to wallow in the politics he married himself to long ago.

June 19, 2020 10:07 am

du•plic•i•tous doo͞-plĭs′ĭ-təs, dyoo͞-►
adj. Given to or marked by deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech.

Sorry Dr Tony – through this ‘pandemic’ your speech would be best described with the above adjective.
We are not anti-science folk, we are ‘don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining’ folk

June 19, 2020 10:07 am

I often don’t believe untested … “progressive science” which is just “soviet science” with a refreshed name.

Reply to  sendergreen
June 19, 2020 11:35 am

Yes, does he mean science like hypothesis testing, experimentation and observation or does he mean something else?

I’d like to hear what he says about x and y chromosomes and gender.

Reply to  Scissor
June 19, 2020 12:28 pm

I’m not clear as to whether you are directing your questions to me or the subject of the thread, Dr. Fauci ?

Reply to  sendergreen
June 19, 2020 4:22 pm

It was more rhetorical. I think you rightly point out the existence of progressive science.

Marilyn Reed
June 19, 2020 10:19 am

Dear Dr. Fauci….maybe we just don’t believe YOU.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Marilyn Reed
June 19, 2020 2:29 pm
Reply to  Joel Snider
June 19, 2020 2:56 pm

When I look at pictures of face diaper cult members I can’t help but think of that interrogation scene in the Matrix when Mr Smith fuses Neo’s mouth shut. Or Hannibal Lecter

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Reply to  Marilyn Reed
June 19, 2020 2:33 pm

Old man Fauci added nothing of value to the pandemic.

Unless you value wrong predictions and bad advice.

He’s a true ue government bureaucrat, who should have retired, or been fired, decades ago.

A statement by Fauci is no more useful than flipping a coin.

Like most “experts”, Fauci is unable to say We don’t know, or I don’t know.

This virus is still too new to have any experts … yet Fauci presented himself as a Covid.expert.

June 19, 2020 10:24 am

Fauci’s “science” used a shoddy, buggy, Tinkertoy™ model to produce an estimate of US deaths. One week the model said it would be over two million dead in the US.

Fauci convinced the State Governors that “science said” that death was imminent, so they went on lockdown.

Then, the model came up with a new prediction for US deaths … sixty thousand.

One week, “science says” two million deaths. The next week “science says” sixty thousand deaths … so, Dr. Fauci, just which “science” are you claiming that we “don’t believe in”? The two million deaths “science”, or the sixty thousand deaths “science”?

And the sting in the tale? Both of those estimates were way wrong. Neither one was particularly good “science”. Lots of folks didn’t believe either one. And yet obviously, Dr. Fauci believed them. They were “science” after all, belief is required.

And as we continue to try to recover from the enormous human cost of the lockdowns, I can, however, tell you what “science” Americans truly don’t believe.

Dr. Fauci’s “science” …


Clay Sanborn
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
June 19, 2020 12:38 pm

Very good, Willis.
“Consensus Science” ~= “Junk Science”

Reply to  Clay Sanborn
June 20, 2020 1:10 am

Another equation to consider:

Full lockdown + face masks = Poverty + Idle Hands = Riots + mayhem + Arson

Jim Whelan
Reply to  Clay Sanborn
June 20, 2020 10:37 am

Politically motivated science is also junk science. Unfortunately, with the amount of government money behind science these days almost all science has a strong political component.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
June 19, 2020 12:41 pm

Good comment Willis.

Dr. Fauci’s “science” …

The science would be epidemiology. It’s the: “branch of medicine which deals with the incidence, distribution, and possible control of diseases and other factors relating to health.” In order to determine the effects of say COVID-19, one must run an epidemiological experiment. Epidemiological experiments are extremely difficult to design, they are extremely difficult to run, and they are extremely difficult to analyze. I don’t see where Dr. Fauci had or has such an experiment to refer to. His science then would be his so called expert opinion. It’s a mockery to call it science when there’s no actual science backing his opinion.


Curious George
Reply to  Jim Masterson
June 19, 2020 2:31 pm

Cruise ships and military ships could provide a “natural experiment”. These opportunities have been wasted.

Reply to  Curious George
June 19, 2020 6:16 pm

Curious George
June 19, 2020 at 2:31 pm

Cruise ships and military ships could provide a “natural experiment”. These opportunities have been wasted.

No amount of experiment can change or “reinvent the wheel” in what already clearly known from history past experience learning, aka the already gained knowledge of humanity.

First, it is like stamped in stone when it comes to epidemiology;

a) In consideration of highly infectious diseases, especially the air borne kind, and specifically
pulmonary type, there is no way of a stop, block, halt, flattening, or whatever kinda of such silly things to contemplate as possible, one way or another.

This is already non disputable. Has been, it is, and will be always unchangeable, regardless of these new vaccine guys like Fauci.

b) the most sensitive and clean slate for detection, monitoring, tracing, and validation of such epidemic high infection diseases impacting the population, happens to be the younger age group.
The babies, the very young and the young. The pediatrics.

To a point that even now in the 21st century, most of poor and non developed countries rely very much in such as simple and robust method, to detect asses/validate the condition of the infectious diseases for their populations.

Now, pretty clearly the likes of Faucis of this world are seriously and considerably contesting this very well established knowledge, with their strange thingy, which these guys for some very strange reason still call it science.
And bizarrely they do moan, complain and smear, when challenged and caught lying and deceiving the rest.

Fauci is just a charlatan, completely incompetent and with no character. An empty vessel.
There is no value at all anymore on whatever Fauci says or has to say.


Reply to  Curious George
June 20, 2020 2:52 am

well the usa carrier that wentfrom 3 to 1k cases pdq was a good enough example?

Reply to  Curious George
June 21, 2020 10:03 am

Yes, the scientists who collected excellent data on the Diamond Princess were heroic, and their data, though scorned by the powerful, has proven to be very accurate at least for how the virus has impacted the over-50 crowd.
Those initial models of death rates were shots in the dark, and predictably end up way wide of the target. Those who published them are to blame for not making that clear. I presume the epidemiologists who offered those number attached riders such as “deaths could be as high as” but the mainstream media (known for talking down to its readers, but not known for its scientific acumen) dumbed down the predictions by removing the riders.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
June 19, 2020 1:32 pm

And in light of the science we can all judge for ourselves the level of risk we are all willing to accept in our everyday lives. Science cannot make that decision for us, it can only inform it. And the authorities have no place in judging the choices we make.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
June 19, 2020 8:28 pm

“Fauci’s “science” used a shoddy, buggy, Tinkertoy™ model to produce an estimate of US deaths. One week the model said it would be over two million dead in the US.

That is funny.

here is the tinkertoy


‘You can see why the Gompertz Curve is used to describe epidemics—it’s a very good fit to real-world epidemiological data. And because any given Gompertz Curve ends up at some maximum value that it doesn’t exceed, it also allows us to estimate the part of the curve that hasn’t happened yet. So far, there have been some 7,362 cases in South Korea. The Gompertz Curve estimates that the final total will be on the order of some 8,100 cases or so. ”


cases are now at 12,300

amateur hour

“Although the uncertainty in this one is greater, it looks at present like the final total of deaths in South Korea will be on the order of one hundred, give or take.”


deaths are at 280

As I pointed out at the time


looking at COUNTRY DATA will trip you up every time because spread is LOCAL

Sure enough the spread continues in Seoul. 67 cases today, we eased our restrictions.



Faucci and company were looking at more than 1 model.

the WORST CASE models assumed we DID NOTHING.

if you really want to see how professionals evaluate models,



Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 20, 2020 8:54 am

thanks for explaining clearly once more the “beauty” of the exponential(s) on peanuts… 🙂


Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
June 19, 2020 9:02 pm

Let’s not forget how he was on TV every night for weeks telling us how masks won’t help, and are even potentially harmful.

Len Werner
June 19, 2020 10:27 am

Ah–but then this science may also not be quite settled–

“Fauci: The Bernie Madoff of Science and the HIV Ponzi Scheme that Concealed the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Epidemic ”


(I’ve not finished the book yet so am not advancing any conclusions, but it seems that not all agree that Fauci’s word is necessarily correct or final. But he just may be the reason why people are no longer believing ‘science’ nor ‘authority’, and should possibly be the last person to complain and to draw attention to the problem.)

Nick Werner
Reply to  Len Werner
June 19, 2020 12:10 pm

For predictions associated with the exponential growth portion of their respective curves I would not be surprised to find out that Bernie Madoff has the better track record.

mark from the midwest
Reply to  Nick Werner
June 19, 2020 1:25 pm

Actually, at one point Bernie Madoff was a legitate investment manager with a pretty good track record, that’s what allowed him to pull-off the scam that he did. I think that’s pretty common with government “scientists” they have one or two small successes and then get promoted to their level of incompetence, at start scamming the publics money behind a facade of “I got the title.” .. see James Hansen, Gavin Schmidt, and on and on

June 19, 2020 10:29 am

National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases gave the wuhan center millions, so now he is Speaking the truth 😐 First he said its not to bad, then its soooo bad, then we need masks, then masks are pointless. I am sure he has been wrong on countless other things as well..

The main question is, why is fauci the only one allowed to apeak about the virus and what we can and can not do…

June 19, 2020 10:32 am

When the Royal Society took the motto Nullius in Verba people understood that science was about challenging data and conclusions, that facts had to be discovered and demonstrated, that being an authority was insufficient then the post modernists took over academia…

Will Nelson
June 19, 2020 10:34 am

Which peer review study is Dr Fauci referring to on that Science = Truth assertion?

June 19, 2020 10:37 am

Does hee, Fauci, believe in science ?
I’m not certain he does 😀

Hoyt Clagwell
June 19, 2020 10:37 am

Maybe it’s not that they don’t believe authority or scientists. Maybe they are just skeptical because they’ve been lied to by authority and scientists so many times. Maybe there’s a reason nobody has actually seen the wolf in the village after 30 years.

Clay Sanborn
June 19, 2020 10:37 am

In the early 1980s ALL of Medical Science (i.e. the Consensus) didn’t believe Australian doctors Barry Marshall and Robin Warren, who found that h. pylori caused ulcers. They subsequently won the Nobel Prize in 2005 for their findings. Big raspberry for Science, especially “consensus science”.
Dr. Fauci is apparently forgetting a basic tent of the scientific method – always question (science), and always question scientific results, especially if it is “consensus science”, A.K.A. “junk science”.

Dodgy Geezer
Reply to  Clay Sanborn
June 19, 2020 1:01 pm

Not quite a big raspberry for science – but a big raspberry for the way humans behave.

The problem is that science works well well when people do not make their living from it. When the truth is the only thing that is the issue. The minute your income, your mortgage, your family and your progress in life become involved, accurate science takes a back seat….

Sceptical lefty
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
June 20, 2020 5:40 am

Spot on!

John in Oz
Reply to  Clay Sanborn
June 19, 2020 3:40 pm

Thalidimide, cane toads, virgins into volcanoes, eugenics, phlogiston, plate tectonics – the list of ‘believe the science’ failures is long.

Wiki has a long list for Dr Fauci to refer to – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_theories_in_science – although they have ‘Global cooling’ as a failure but not ‘Global warming’

Tiger Bee Fly
June 19, 2020 10:45 am

FIFY: “Americans don’t believe in the Appeal to Authority.”

“Science is truth” – oh dear. 😀

June 19, 2020 10:45 am

How many false starts, ridiculous predictions and bogus studies have we had on CV-19 alone? Falsifying death certificates for more Medicare money? The latest masks for everyone is the next big nothing. Our mayor just issued a mask requirement that includes homemade cloth masks made from t-shirts and even includes bandanas. Bandanas? You can sneeze or cough and the fabric will elevate if it isn’t secured, let alone not stopping the viral particles.

The Coronavirus is extremely small and the only thing you can wear that will actually stop it is a rated respirator that is fitted around your face. In the meantime all the masked lemmings out there will be walking 6′ behind the person in front of them at CostCo, breathing in aerosols from the person in front that their mask doesn’t stop through the person behind’s mask that doesn’t stop anything either.

To me what will finally happen is a government approved vaccine will be given to the general population and the MSM will declare it is 99.9% effective even though behind the scenes it is not even 70% effective. Everyone breathes a big sigh of relief and finally takes off their do nothing mask.

Here is some science Fauci: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

Reply to  rbabcock
June 19, 2020 5:19 pm

There’s not much scientific basis to the magic 6′ protection zone either.

June 19, 2020 10:48 am

Dr.Maria Van Kerkhove spoke science. She is the head of the Outbreak Investigation Task Force at the WHO. She said, twice, that asymptomatic people do not transmit the disease, and then she elaborated on it. Then every other health professional including Dr. Fauci contradicted her, and forced her to try to minimize her statement the next day.

She essentially said that social distancing and the lockdowns are worthless. What a giant botch history will see here. 45 million Americans and hundreds of millions more around the world, out of work. Hundreds of thousands of businesses bankrupted, and all because these “experts” do not believe their own eyes.

June 19, 2020 10:50 am

“they just don’t believe science and they don’t believe authority”

Authority # Science.

“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” – Albert Einstein

Reply to  Alex
June 19, 2020 12:03 pm

That was the phrase I picked up on too. Science and ‘authority’ are just plain opposites, yet Fauci equates them.

Having spent a lifetime in science education, it takes a great deal to get students to follow the data, and accept that there may be bugs or a different interpretation of the data. Its also very difficult to shine a light on popularly held beliefs without having students just tune out that part. Fauci is right that most people do not operate within the constraints of science. Take the specialist who is pressuring my husband to take a particular drug: data are weak, but the metaanalysis at present can only say it has a nonsignificant positive effect on cardiac events AND a nonsignificant negative effect on all cause mortality.

Richard Patton
June 19, 2020 10:51 am

Science is not equal to Truth. Science is based on philosophy. There are many instances where demonstrated results have been ignored because they were at odds with the philosophical assumptions of the scientists. The heliocentric model of the Solar system vs. the geocentric model. BTW, Galileo was NOT subject to house arrest because of his model, but because, in print, he mocked the pope-he also mocked the current scientific establishment. (gee doesn’t that sound familiar?)

Ron Long
Reply to  Richard Patton
June 19, 2020 11:33 am

Wrong-Galileo was charged with heresy for agreeing with the Copernican Theory, he pleaded Guilty for a consideration of passing his sentence in house arrest. Yew, Galileo was a person who challenged the views of “authority” sometimes, but his actual charge was Heresy for Supporting the Copernican Theory.

Reply to  Ron Long
June 19, 2020 1:11 pm

No U Wrong-Vatican astronomers of the time were warming up to the Copernican model themselves and several would likely have come to Galileo’s defense, if he hadn’t been a completely disagreeable and onerous personality who in addition to astronomy, also published some highly unorthodox religious treatises as well as thinly-disguised smear pieces toward his political and intellectual rivals. *That* was what raised the eyebrows of the Pope more than anything. That Galileo had quite openly mocked him in another publication didn’t exactly help matters either.

Reply to  drednicolson
June 19, 2020 1:44 pm

It didn’t help that Galileo also was teaching Heliocentrism as fact, when at the time it was merely the theory that best fit the data. It wouldn’t be proven till later, after better measurements were made of planetary motion.

Ron Long
Reply to  drednicolson
June 19, 2020 3:07 pm

You’re spinning around the issue. Galileo was Charged with Heresy for supporting Copernican Theory. Yes, he did all of the other things, but the charge was Heresy. He was not charged with mocking the Pope or any other issues. He was charged with Heresy for supporting Copernican Theory.

Reply to  Ron Long
June 19, 2020 5:01 pm

Plea bargaining by Galileo seems to be what transpired. Sort of went up against an earlier incarnation of the deep state.

Richard Patton
Reply to  Ron Long
June 19, 2020 8:11 pm

Yes, AFTER he signed an agreement to back off-which he broke. The scientific establishment of the day was saying that the geocentric was ‘proven fact.’ He also had some very unorthodox religious views. Basically it was a plea bargain. If the church had gone after him for his religious views and if he refused to back down (he was a very stubborn man) they would have had to impose the death penalty. The pope actually liked the man, but he couldn’t let anyone break a pledge that had been made to him. So the points are 1) the ‘proven facts’ were against him-the math to disprove the ‘proven facts’ weren’t developed until years later. 2) Because he was in the minority and was calling nearly everyone who didn’t agree with him a fool he created powerful enemies. 3) He was also denying essential Christian doctrine-while trying to claim he still was a Christian. 4) Since the Pope had kind feelings for him-despite the fact that Gallelio broke his promise and mocked the pope-and didn’t want to try him for his religious beliefs and to placate the scientific establishment, the Pope opted to try him on a charge for which he wasn’t obligated to use the death penalty.

Reply to  Ron Long
June 19, 2020 8:53 pm

Not everything is as simple as your world view Ron.
Yes, that’s the actual charge at the end of a long and drawn out process.
But the reasons as to why he was charged are as others have detailed.

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Ron Long
June 19, 2020 10:50 pm

Treat it like Al Capone’s conviction. Couldn’t do him for the gangster activities, got him on tax fraud.

Reply to  Ron Long
June 20, 2020 3:07 am


Reply to  Richard Patton
June 19, 2020 3:07 pm

The goal of science should always be truth.
Unfortunately there are many occasions where the goal of “scientists” is not the truth.
Remember the Schneider quote about how scientists have to choose for themselves whether they want to be truthful, or effective.

Monna Manhas
June 19, 2020 10:52 am

Dr Fauci is wrong.
Science is not truth. It is a process used to explain and understand the way the universe and everything in it works. To assert that science is truth is scientism, not science.

Reply to  Monna Manhas
June 19, 2020 1:27 pm

Fauci styles himself as a high priest in a while lab coat. Yep, scientism at its best.

Gubba Bump
Reply to  chemman
June 20, 2020 2:09 pm

Reminds me of a Carlin line about doctors – it’s all guesswork in a white coat.

Reply to  Monna Manhas
June 19, 2020 4:26 pm

Good comment.

Reply to  Monna Manhas
June 19, 2020 7:48 pm

Science is a process, not an outcome.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Monna Manhas
June 22, 2020 10:01 am

Exactly correct. And that process starts with asking questions. The current experts are not exempt from being questioned either. In fact, according to the late great Dr. Richard Feynman, we must question the experts if we want human knowledge to move forward. And it seems to me, that when the situation is novel, facts are few, and data is of unknown quality, we should consider everybody’s conclusions as mere speculation.

Reply to  Paul Penrose
June 22, 2020 2:31 pm

I would love to question them. Strap them down and find every thing they have ever thought, said or done in their entire lives. Then do it again and compare the answers. Then do it again and compare the answers. 4th time through the lies will be over. Oh, and spare me the outrage. They are our enemy, time to treat them as such, along with a whole lot of other human haters.

Wayne Townsend
June 19, 2020 10:53 am

This seems to be the first resort of “scientists” who don’t have the evidence they need to support their hypothesis. They present dire claims based on unverified models. When people doubt their claim they move to the fallacious Appeal to Authority both directly (“You don’t believe me, the expert”) and indirectly (“You don’t believe the Science [that I give you]”).

This man was wrong about AIDS/HIV becoming a heterosexual pandemic in the US
This man was wrong about H1N1/Swine Flue becoming a pandemic in the US
This man was wrong about every prediction and recommendation regarding the Covid19/Wuhan Virus

So, he must act the wounded hero. Soon he will be awarded the Michael Mann Nobel Prize for sincere arrogance.

Gordon A. Dressler
June 19, 2020 10:53 am

According to the above boxed text, Dr. Fauci stated “. . . there are some people who just don’t believe that — and that’s unfortunate because, you know, science is truth.”

In reply, I offer three pertinent observations by others:

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.” — Richard Feynman

“What is truth?” — Pontius Pilate

“The truth is rarely pure and never simple.” — Oscar Wilde

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 19, 2020 11:13 am

It’s truth until an other finding is truth / until proven wrong

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 20, 2020 3:21 am

Interesting you include Pontius Pilate there.
The truth about that guy is his wife had an imperial document from her “uncle” at Capri to execute the man no matter what the truth was. His a**s was covered, as we say today.
The truth in this case is still reverbrating throughout history.

Science is not possible without the pursuit of truth.
Einstein put it best when asked on radio why he would throw out one theory after another. He said they were like diamonds found in a mine, but he was searching for the thoughts of God.

This virus is an existential test – major science is needed to get a handle on it.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  bonbon
June 20, 2020 8:31 am

bonbon, since you dissed Pontius Pilate for asking a simple question that has bugged great philosophers throughout human history, I will ask you simply: What is your definition of truth?

And please try to avoid including the concept of “faith” in your definition.

Reply to  bonbon
June 20, 2020 12:30 pm

If Einstein was searching for the thoughts of God, those thoughts would be worthless unless he was scientifically able to prove God existed, and that God created it all to be able to explain it.
Einstein should have listened to what he was saying.
Science is an endless pursuit.

Richard Patton
Reply to  Oxonebust
June 21, 2020 1:24 pm

What do you mean by ‘scientifically’? The scientific method cannot even prove that Ceaser existed. How do you expect the scientific method to prove or disprove God?

BTW if God doesn’t exist then you must explain an even greater miracle than theists believe. You must explain how the Universe created itself out of nothing.

Reply to  Richard Patton
June 21, 2020 1:58 pm

“BTW if God doesn’t exist then you must explain an even greater miracle than theists believe. You must explain how the Universe created itself out of nothing.”

Something surely came from nothing. Reality itself (with or without a god) came from nothing. Which is a greater miracle? A super-powerful god or mere undifferentiated energy? Or perhaps the end of a prior universe caused ours. Or a pair: ours causes theirs and theirs causes ours. Atheists usually shrug and say “I don’t know.”

History cannot, in general, be proved. Bayes Theorem gives probabilities. By using free will to make plans — visions of the future — and carry them out we can try to affect the future.

Yesterday is but a dream,
Tomorrow is but a vision,
But Today, well lived,
Makes every yesterday a dream of happiness,
And every tomorrow a vision of hope.
— Kalidasa

Bob Hunter
June 19, 2020 10:55 am

The easy retort, how many scientists/experts said masks, especially DIY masks were not necessary. Even dumb me had my wife and I wearing DIY masks at the beginning of March. Albeit, at the time I thought COVID-19 was an influenza like virus rather than SARS like.

As well, the readers on this site, are fully aware of the malarkey ‘97%’ scientists espousing CO2 induced climate change.

Richard of NZ
Reply to  Bob Hunter
June 19, 2020 12:49 pm

Surely the name of the virus, rather than the disease it can cause, gave the game away? The virus is SARS CoV-2.

Wayne Townsend
June 19, 2020 10:56 am

Ps. in the midst of all of this, I have to post this article about how differently the Hong Kong flu was handled.


Reply to  Wayne Townsend
June 19, 2020 1:25 pm

I was a senior in High School during that. From early Oct. (68) through mid May (69) I don’t remember a full classroom because of that Flu. Life went on as usual

Reply to  Wayne Townsend
June 19, 2020 3:02 pm

In the U.K around 85000 people died of Hong Kong flu started July 1969
Life went on as normal, no panicking or panic buying

Fast forward to 2020 and I am not panicking and am living my life as normal as I can under lockdown conditions

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Mac
June 19, 2020 7:29 pm

I was a senior in high school that fall. I caught the flu during that summer. My only change in behavior was to wear a jacket during mid-summer because I was running a fever.

Alasdair Fairbairn
June 19, 2020 10:59 am

The reputation of science as being truthful has taken a right hammering over the last few years. All courtesy of the left wing Green political agenda , peddling its alarmist Meme.

June 19, 2020 11:03 am

“science” said it was the animal fats.

George V
June 19, 2020 11:04 am

Hmmm… anti-science, Doctor? How about your “science” delivering:

– Statements from WHO that were not accurate.
– Models which forecast vastly higher infection and death rates than actually occurred, with very little correction and rework when they proved false.
– Telling the public “masks don’t work” then later saying everyone must wear a mask.

That’s just a few cases, Doctor. Maybe it’s not that Americans don’t believe science so much that many of us no longer fully believe you.

Much like a decision on surgery, I look for a second opinion after hearing Dr. Fauci. Even the Russian proverb “doveryai, no proveryai” (trust but verify) doesn’t work because there has to first be trust.

Reply to  George V
June 19, 2020 4:06 pm

It will take quite some time before the public trusts science. Science has been politicised and pseudo scientists are now paid to come up with information that suits the political agenda. The fact that the word ‘scientist’ has been tagged on to so many other fields, such as ‘political science’ has made the concept of science meaningless. The ‘experts’ come out of the woodwork calling themselves scientists when in reality their field of work is unrelated to what they are putting forward as though they know what they are talking about. This must change if science has any hope of regaining respect in their field. They need to be called out!

I know that there are scientists with integrity, at some point they are going to have to speak out. Sadly the public seem to be largely gullible, but when you get a pseudo scientist saying that people don’t believe ‘the science’ then maybe that’s a starting point for getting some real science out there.

I’m one of the members of the public who sees through the BS and I’m not alone.

Reply to  George V
June 20, 2020 1:00 pm

I hate to mention this, but…

In the State of Washington, they have annual exams for K-12 students (3rd – 10th grades). 90% of 10th grade students _FAIL_ the Science exam (only 10% pass – just in case :-); thus, this exam isn’t used for anything useful – Unions won’t allow it. So, not only is the problem bought-and-paid-for scientists but ignorant citizens.

Reply to  Bill
June 20, 2020 5:08 pm

You are absolutely correct Bill. Australian education used to rate highly on a global scale. We have slipped down the scale badly in the past decade. The focus is more on leftist ideas now and our students are ignorant. To be accepted by a university to study for a teachers degree you only need a pass of 50%, and even then they will make exceptions and allow a lower mark.

They are deliberately dumbing down education, people are easier to control when they’re ignorant. They are ignorant because they are taught to believe what they are told, they are not taught how to learn. They are taught not to question when they best way to learn is to question everything. To seek knowledge.

Reply to  Bill
June 20, 2020 5:16 pm

I’d have to see the test before I could agree with your conclusion.
I’ve seen way to many “science” tests where the only way to get a good grade was to regurgitate whatever nonsense the teacher was passing out that year.

June 19, 2020 11:06 am

No Dr, Fauci. What we don’t believe is YOU! A proven and admitted liar is not someone rational people appreciate being lecture on what “truth” is.

John K.
June 19, 2020 11:08 am

“ ….there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are — for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable and not understandable — they just don’t believe science and they don’t believe authority,…”
It is hard to believe he can be this clueless about why this might be the case.
– His own contradictory pronouncements about mask effectivity.
– WHO misinformation & doing the bidding of ChiComms.
– ineptitude of US CDC.
To cite a few reasons.

June 19, 2020 11:09 am

we’re Americans: of course we have a problem with authority.

this country was founded by people who rebelled against an authority that wanted control over their lives, and referred to them as “subjects”. sounds like you’d like to have the power over us, so of course we’re rejecting your paternalistic attitude.

we also have a problem with liars.

deal with it, snowflake.

June 19, 2020 11:10 am

He has been very inconsistent in his messaging to say the least.

He will say wear a mask, but has no double blind clinical trails for his pontificating.

He will say HQC is an unproven drug and may not be safe.

FYI, I know other physicians and scientists that disagree with him as well. He is just othet micro managing egotistical control freak.

I have other reasons to be suspicious of Fauci but I will keep those to myself.

June 19, 2020 11:13 am

The “anti science” narrative was perpetrated by the Left/Marxist/Liberals to answer for anything that questions their ideology. That and “conspiracy theory” are used extensively when they can’t come up with real answers to real questions.

Lee L
June 19, 2020 11:15 am

Yes well…

I’m no antivaxxer .. but the idea that SCIENCE is TRUTH and therefore unDENYable..is horse pucky.

I’m old enough to have experienced the Polio epidemics of the early 1950s when my mother told the 6 year old me that we couldn’t go to the outdoor swimming pools that summer because of polio. I also remember one of my first grade classmates with a cane and leg braces due to having been a victim of polio. There was finally a vaccine created from ‘dead’ polio virus and I recall that it was administered 3 times in ascending doses and it worked. The epidemic was stopped.

I recall years later when the ‘SCIENCE approved’ live vaccine was given to us as a booster and how I felt that somehow seemed a bit risky but I ate sugar cube and was told that SCIENCE said it is perfectly safe ( and so much easier to administer).

The recurrence of polio in live vaccine recipients much later in life was then unknown to the SCIENCE. These things can happen despite the best available SCIENCE. Now I think that antivaxxers are probably deluded by poor information, but it is not crazy to recognize that vaccination is not a risk free proposition. It’s why we normally take so much time testing new ones. Fauci may well be a smart and knowledgeable guy but there is sometimes an attitude with such people. He’s got the attitude bad.

HD Hoese
Reply to  Lee L
June 19, 2020 12:44 pm

I also survived a polio epidemic, so far worse than this one. Among others, two in my senior class didn’t. While the vaccine was great, as you noted the live one produced minor temporary type paralysis much later in life, apparently not well known, happened in my family. Still some around with life long paralysis muscle damage.

Read that Fauci said science was “truth.” When he earlier said that we might not be able to ever shake hands again, I knew that this didn’t take and maybe he never believed it, as I used to teach pre-meds, and made sure that they understood that their profession was responsible for lots of deaths.
I had one in a seminar who did a great paper, but off the subject. He came in furious, as it ruined his straight A’s. Asked him if he would treat a different organ than the one diseased, or something like that, because he knew the other one better. Quit complaining, I hope.

Reply to  Lee L
June 19, 2020 5:11 pm

Brings back to me memories of collecting for The March of Dimes to raise money for combating Polio.

June 19, 2020 11:22 am

When somebody says “Trust me.”, that’s when you increase your skepticism.

Russ Wood
Reply to  Sam Grove
June 21, 2020 9:14 am

Wasn’t it Kaa the python, in the original animated Jungle Book? He sang “Trusssst in me – jusssst in me…”.

Toby Nixon
June 19, 2020 11:22 am

We aren’t bias against science. We’re biased against being expected to believe anything someone says just because they claim to be a scientist, even when what they’re spouting off is wild ass guesses, not falsifiable, not reproducible, based on flawed hand-tuned computer models instead of real experimentation, etc. We’re biased against pseudo-science.

June 19, 2020 11:22 am

“you know, science is truth”

Now we know for sure he’s liar.


B d Clark
June 19, 2020 11:23 am

Unfortunately for science and scientists ,it is being corrupted by the likes of the IPCC ,then we have the scandal of climate gate ,the hockey stick, the 97% consensus,

Climate science covers many disciplines in the science world, we have a world funded organization called the IPCC that presents science , the mandate of the IPCC is to show global warming not to show the science of climate disciplines = results, I have seen many a scientist on this forum argue against the IPCC reports, I have yet to see authors of the IPCC reports defend their results or say the results are presented wrong.

I have seen the media state “the science is settled” which contradicts science and it’s ever ongoing research,

I have seen Michael mann defend the hockey stick when clearly it’s made up nonsense a minipulating exercise of past data.

Science is strictly not based on models alone ,observerd data for 40 years of global climate compaired to the model prediction forecasts is some what lacking ,

Science from a climate point of view is bought and paid for by a ring of vicious governments paying for a predetermined outcome. Climate science is presented by the IPCC . The outcome of the ring.

Climate scientists are stuck between a rock and a hard place, some believe in the climate lie,no doubt ,some play along because there under pressure threats, of losing there funding ,jobs or worse.

It would seem even a expose of some aspects of climate science by Michael Moore has been suppressed and attacked.

The only way science is going to gain any credibility back,is by the scientists themselves coming clean about thier data being falsified and minipulated, the MSM taken to task and completely overhauled for perpetuating the lie of global warming , science needs to see the institutions corrupting the science disbanded and brought to account, and governments who use the excuse of “We are only acting on the science” need to be disbanded and shown to the public how they funded the lie in the first place, and who is influencing them.

Above sets out the biggest fraud perpetrated against mankind in the whole of mankind’s history.

John Dilks
Reply to  B d Clark
June 19, 2020 3:31 pm

B D Clark,
Please attempt to distinguish between they, they are, their and there. It is rough reading your excellent writing when my brain has to re-read sentences when the wrong word is used.

B d Clark
Reply to  John Dilks
June 19, 2020 3:44 pm

Sorry bit dyslexic on some words.

B d Clark
Reply to  John Dilks
June 19, 2020 3:45 pm

Sorry,bit dyslexic on some words.

Reply to  B d Clark
June 19, 2020 4:22 pm

I agree B d, actual scientists need to be speaking out and refuting the lies. I would think it’s the only way there will ever be change. Otherwise pseudo science will become the norm, and any field will have the word ‘science’ tagged on making anyone the expert.

B d Clark
Reply to  Megs
June 19, 2020 5:08 pm

Thank you Megs,

The only thing I will add is it needs to be a lot of scientists, not one ot two,we know what happens when only one or two speak out, there needs to be a concerted effort by the climate scientists to speak out.

There is strength in numbers and they can not be ignored.

June 19, 2020 11:24 am

Americans should not believe in retracted science, pal review science, agenda science, or politician driven science using stunts like construction lifts on stage. The problem comes down to the lag times and efficiency in that process of sorting.

Clay Sanborn
June 19, 2020 11:25 am

There is but one truth – God (of the Bible), who is pure truth, love, life, and light.
Romans 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Robert Austin
Reply to  Clay Sanborn
June 19, 2020 7:34 pm

That sure went to the heart of the matter, NOT!

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Clay Sanborn
June 19, 2020 10:58 pm

Therein lies the cause of Americans’ stupidity. God-bothering.

Richard Patton
Reply to  Adam Gallon
June 20, 2020 10:48 am

Your remarks denigrating those who believe in God indicates your religion is scientism where science=truth. Science says that the universe created itself out of nothing therefore it created itself out of nothing.

Reply to  Richard Patton
June 20, 2020 5:19 pm

I’ve always found it fascinating how so many atheists feel the need to attack believers at any opportunity.
It’s almost as if they have no faith in their religion of choice.

Reply to  MarkW
June 21, 2020 4:08 am

No religion requires more faith in God than Atheism. Without God atheists have nothing, its really rather sad, their belief in God makes them angry so they lash out at everyone else.

Richard Patton
Reply to  MarkW
June 21, 2020 1:29 pm


Reply to  Adam Gallon
June 20, 2020 5:18 pm

So believing in God makes one stupid?
Really? Got some evidence to back up your claim, or do you just believe that it must be true?

Hans Erren
June 19, 2020 11:27 am

“Trust me, I’m a doctor”

Tom in Florida
June 19, 2020 11:28 am

Hold on their Doctor. Aren’t you the one who has admitted lying when you down played masks effectiveness so people wouldn’t buy them under the idea that if everyone started buying masks there wouldn’t be enough for medical people?
Yes, that was YOU!

June 19, 2020 11:37 am

Science demands proof not belief. If you have to believe then it is not science

Walt D.
June 19, 2020 11:39 am

If people no longer believe what is promoted as science, I think “Climate Science” bears the brunt of the blame.
By continually pushing a narrative that is dubious at best and demonstrably false in many cases, people get to the point that’s they no longer believe a word they hear. Calling people who question their findings insulting names just reinforces the scepticism.
Not picking up obvious mistakes in the peer review system further erodes confidence.
The original purpose of the peer review system was not to assert that the article being reviewed was in fact correct, but rather to remove obvious errors before the article was published.
Many peer reviewed articles are subsequentially found to have errors and are revised.
The critical problem with Climate Science peer reviewed articles is that even when they are found to have errors, these errors are not revised. Instead the people who find the errors are subject to ad-hominem attacks and called disparaging names.

Reply to  Walt D.
June 19, 2020 12:39 pm

Alas, climastrology is NOT the problem. Rather, this was the snitch who REVEALED that something is very wrong in science. A couple years ago, an analysis revealed that fewer than half of all “peer reviewed” published “science” was reproducible. This is the “Reproducibility Crisis” in science. It is in every field.

“Pal review” is part of the problem. I worked with a real scientist in a non-political field who had trouble getting funding and trouble getting published because his findings were different than those of the leading name in the field. If you have to have the “right” pals, that just isn’t science any more.

We at WUWT and climate skepticism have had a bit more time to think about this and work on solutions. Those of us in every field and all around the world who love Truth and the search for it need to be, and are, working together to restore the beautiful endeavor that many of us had once known.

Jaap Titulaer
Reply to  LadyLifeGrows
June 19, 2020 11:53 pm

I’m afraid that this is true.
It is much too common in too many fields. In fields which are complex, broad and known to quick change this is less of an issue, as long as the majority accepts that things change all the time, and as long as there is enough to be discovered.
But many (all the?) other fields seem to have the same issue: you must toe the party line (the opinion of a few leading people, who published their Magnus Opus decades ago) or risk your career. Forget about being able to publish. Even when you can prove one of the old guard got it wrong, or especially then …

June 19, 2020 11:44 am

Yes, does he mean science like hypothesis testing, experimentation and observation or does he mean something else?

I’d like to hear what he says about x and y chromosomes and gender.

Tiger Bee Fly
Reply to  Scissor
June 19, 2020 12:26 pm

Oh, I think Bill Nye the B.Eng Guy has already answered that for us. A 97% consensus of one. “Trust me, I’m a celebrity!”

John Robertson
June 19, 2020 11:46 am

Seems Dr Fauci is compelled to destroy what little credibility he might have left.
He has become famous for spouting self serving contradictory nonsense,just got through bragging about lying to the public with respect to masks,for the good of the system of course.

Now he makes this statement?
Genius,Super Genius..Willie E Fauci.

David Dibbell
June 19, 2020 11:49 am

Somebody’s feelings got hurt. A career scientist who struggles with feelings of rejection is perhaps not the right person to occupy a position of authority.

June 19, 2020 11:51 am

I am a (retired) programmer of, among other things epidemiological models. I wrote my own. If the pre-symptomatic spread was as they said, then, indeed, there would be a spike big enough to overwhelm hospitals. Quarantine of symptomatic cases would not be enough to stop the spread. Given the early data my models showed 2,000,000 deaths in the US of 330,000,000 citizens. 2/330 = 0.6%. To avoid excess deaths caused by hospital overcrowding physical distancing and masks were suggested. This was to flatten the curve seen in the uncontrolled case to avoid hospital overcrowding.
It is not uncontrolled. We are finding therapies. It is behaving differently to the assumptions/data in the initial model.
Clinical experience is the heart of medicine. Sharing what works here with others. Finding out what doesn’t work elsewhere.
Fauci is nowhere near a clinic treating COVID19. HCQ, for example, is already FDA approved so it can be prescribed for anything including hangnail if the physician thinks it may work. It is generally safe. It doesn’t need a clinical trial to “prove” safety since that was already done. Years of clinical experience have revealed any contraindications. It doesn’t need a clinical trial to “prove” efficacy. That is only required for a new snake oil.
The Clinic is where the rubber meets the road. . So: Can’t hurt (Hippocrates is happy), might help.

June 19, 2020 11:52 am

Calling lies science doesn’t make it so.

People think the greenhouse effect is science, but it just isn’t so.


Stephen Rasey
June 19, 2020 11:53 am

because, you know, science is truth,” Fauci continued,
That is a statement of a charlatan, not a scientist.

Science is the SEARCH for Nature’s laws and behaviors.
Science is the continued TESTING of those suspected laws.
What is “scientific fact” today may be refined tomorrow. That is not TRUTH.

June 19, 2020 11:55 am

When someone says “science is truth”, there are two possible premises to it: (1) the body of science is constantly approaching “greater truth” by objective means free of personal, political, social bias, or (2) whatever “science” is is “truth”, and if “science” says something counterintuitive, damn your intuition about its counterintuitive because science is truth.

Premise 1 is what science ought to be and, therefore, an absolute statement like “science is truth” contradiction under such a premise because there is no absolute end that science has arrived at– science has not reached the stage of “The Absolute Truth About Everything and All Further Pursuits are No Longer Necessary”.

Unfortunately, we science appears to be much closer to premise 2.

Reply to  leowaj
June 19, 2020 2:45 pm

It is (or should be) the dispassionate search for the least wrong, within the sphere of its applicability.

Reply to  leowaj
June 19, 2020 5:54 pm

Science is not truth. Science is the search for truth.

June 19, 2020 11:55 am

He was half right. People don’t believe authority. His mistake was assuming that those in authority are always right.

James Bull
June 19, 2020 12:01 pm

“science is truth” unfortunately those with an agenda have made that a lie, to them science is a tool to get the results they want not what they are and you have to work out things from there.

James Bull

June 19, 2020 12:02 pm

Fauci thinks science is Bayesian statistics

Phil Salmon
June 19, 2020 12:05 pm

M.I.T. Professor Richard Lindzen: belief within climate science that CO2 essentially controls global temperature is recent, wierd and probably wrong:


tsk tsk
June 19, 2020 12:10 pm

If he had the truth of science(tm), then why did he lie about masks?

June 19, 2020 12:18 pm

I think he should have stopped at anti-vaxers and not swung the door wide open.

Trailer Trash
June 19, 2020 12:22 pm

“Americans ‘Don’t Believe Science” >> personal attack
“and They Don’t Believe Authority’” >> appeal to authority

Got any real arguments to present, Mr Fauci?

This dinosaur should’ve been put out to pasture years ago. He has been at NIH for *Fifty Years*. Now here is the weird thing about Fauci: despite his ugly mug on TV every day, he is *not* the Director of the National Institutes of Health. That would be his boss Francis Collins, another NIH dinosaur, who has been a no-show for the past six months, but no one seems to notice. What’s up with that?

Here is another weird thing about Fauci: he receives royalties on various patents assigned to him and NIH. He claims that “government regulations” (written by his agency?) force him to have his name on those patents, but that he donates the money to “charities”.

Juan Slayton
Reply to  Trailer Trash
June 19, 2020 1:46 pm

…Francis Collins…has been a no-show for the past six months…What’s up with that?

Collins is smarter than the average bear. : >)

June 19, 2020 12:30 pm

Technocrats and bureaucrats using “science” to bludgeon democracy.

Walt D.
June 19, 2020 12:31 pm

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan:
“I’m a government scientist. I’m here to tell you the truth”.
Does that inspire confidence?

June 19, 2020 12:36 pm

Americans don’t believe science? Good!! Science is about doubt, religion is about faith. Remember the Royal Society’s motto, Nullius in Verba or take no ones word for it.
The CDC should be more concerned with its screw ups. There are good reasons people have doubts

Robert W. Turner
June 19, 2020 12:46 pm

Well there we go, the pseudo scientist just showed that he doesn’t understand the scientific progress and might explain why he has made some wacky and laughable statements, i.e. stopping travel between the virus outbreak origin area and the USA would make it worse. He needs to be replaced.

June 19, 2020 12:56 pm

“And certainly he made it so” (Winston Churchill)

mario lento
June 19, 2020 12:57 pm

The statement:

“American people… don’t believe science and they don’t believe authority,”

is not compatible with science, rather it’s compatible with political science.

June 19, 2020 1:01 pm

Vaccines are not magical elixirs without side-affects and with perfect performance. They are part of a risk management protocol with limited, specific purpose. Be honest with people. That said, Americans don’t maintain faith nor prostrate themselves before mortal gods and goddesses. Lose your Pro-Choice religion. Science is a philosophy and practice, of not plausible (a weak constraint), but of observation and utility in a limited frame of reference.

mario lento
Reply to  n.n
June 19, 2020 1:47 pm

n.n: Yes, vaccines performance varies for many reasons, and ranges from as good as a placebo so 50% better than doing nothing, if you consider that the side effects don’t matter… and the side effects matter!

Meanwhile I have heard that using HCQ and Zn CORRECTLY, has a 90% chance of helping the WuFlu not kill people.

So I do not understand the perverse arguments by the LEFT against something that could be the most effective treatment for dangerous RNA viruses the world has ever seen.

The Dark Lord
June 19, 2020 1:04 pm

an unsupported “opinion” from a “scientist” is not science … most of what Dr. Faucci spouts is unsupported opinion … that’s what we don’t believe …
There was never any “science” (i.e. real world studies or experiments) around :
1) Lockdowns
2) positive effects of masks
3) closing of schools
4) asymptomatic transmission
5) the models

mario lento
Reply to  The Dark Lord
June 19, 2020 1:50 pm

I agree, Fauci has laughably covered all of his bases, by being pro and con regarding all of his assertions. He used a lot of words, most of which cancel themselves… no pun intended [*cancel culture]

June 19, 2020 1:05 pm

In Fauci’s defense I can guarantee you that 90% of the population doesn’t understand science and has no innate ability to interpret scientific results. They don’t understand the different philosophies of science, they don’t understand the methodology and tools used in science, and therefore they really have no basis for coming to independent conclusions.

Richard Patton
Reply to  Ari
June 19, 2020 3:42 pm

I.e. “don’t question the ‘experts’ ” Down that road leads tyanny.

John Dilks
Reply to  Ari
June 19, 2020 3:48 pm

” 90% of the population doesn’t understand science and has no innate ability to interpret scientific results. ”
” therefore they really have no basis for coming to independent conclusions.”

How did you arrive at that statistic? Supposedly, half of the population has an IQ at or above 100. How high does the IQ have to be to be able to arrive at their own independent conclusions?

mario lento
Reply to  John Dilks
June 19, 2020 3:55 pm

I think the American population is smarter than most people claim… So that 90% number is not well defined whatsoever. That is because much of what is labeled as science is not science at all, it’s political interpretations.

When someone says, 97% of scientists agree… it’s highly likely that person making the statement does not know what the scientists they speak of agree with. Nor do they know how that number was derived.

I think some people who may not be science literate can still smell a rat, and have strong judgement.

B d Clark
Reply to  Ari
June 19, 2020 5:03 pm

I can guarantee you that 90% of the population doesn’t understand science and has no innate ability to interpret scientific results.”

A herder at the end of the stone age had a innate ability to understand science, he did not understand the word science but he practiced a branch of science called mathematics, he also understood commerce which is also a branch of science, even though mathematics, commerce are not terms he would of understood. He practiced his science through trade and mathematics,

People do not need to understand the intricacies of climate science to know there being conned, a hysterical media pushing a more and more ridiculous agenda , a hysterical sales pitch is a sign of desperation, a basic knowledge of the past tells people the climate is not going in a one direction it is cyclical, not linear, even though they may not use the terms cyclical, linear or even understand the terms.

People know when the term “science is settled “is used that is wrong they know this because through thier life times the science changes ,EG nutrion, medicine, space exploration, ect ect.

Every one has a right to independent thought and conclusions no one needs a basis for permission to Express thier views ,be they right or wrong in the eyes and ears of the receiver. I see no reasoned debate from the climate agenda people ,they refuse to engage in any public debate from a opposing view,that’s why we have terms “the science is settled” a refusal to debate be it in the media or a climate conference ,that is called running scared, being dictated too, by increasingly scaremongering hysterical media.

Most people recognise what’s going on they know something is not adding up,they may not be able to Express themselves like members of WUWT ,they may not have time to research thier innate feelings, which is why the media try to stifle debate,which is why more and more proxy data and current data is disappearing ,erasing the record!

John F. Hultquist
June 19, 2020 1:08 pm

Anthony Fauci should watch a few Richard Feynman presentations on science – and than go look in a mirror.
Richard said: “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
June 19, 2020 2:50 pm

John: Dr. Fauci, aka – The Great Tergiversator, has outed himself, he is not a scientist, but a politician.

Weylan McAnally
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
June 23, 2020 3:46 pm

Humans are cursed with overwhelming confirmation bias. Very few folks can recognize it in themselves and a tiny fraction can overcome it. It is up to others to poke holes in your theory/argument.

mario lento
Reply to  Weylan McAnally
June 23, 2020 3:50 pm

In many cases, I have been told the following: “Well there are two versions of the truth”, and very recently, a purist said there are “three sides of the truth”… that was after the liberal read the house intel’ transcripts and learned that under oath, that there was no evidence, but that on TV they said otherwise.

So, how do you deal with that nonsense? Seriously tell me!

Reply to  mario lento
June 23, 2020 5:26 pm

There is only one truth. Humans lie, twist, obfuscate, distort, misdirect, and outright flee from the truth. With sufficiently harsh interrogation you will get the truth. It is all in your method.

mario lento
Reply to  2hotel9
June 23, 2020 5:37 pm

Yes, there are no versions of the truth… well said in Lost World… Jurassic Park. I could not believe how unwilling the person was to just see reality. It was very painful for him and as such he sent me rapid fire links to opinion pieces from WaPo, NY Times and CNN that disagreed with me.

Reply to  mario lento
June 23, 2020 5:43 pm

Some times people have to be forced to accept reality. That ain’t pretty, it is necessary.

mario lento
Reply to  2hotel9
June 23, 2020 9:48 pm

OK: 2hotel9: I agree. Your next job is to get Simon to admit as much. Well, not to change his opinion, but to get him to agree on what is known to be true. An impossible challenge.

Reply to  2hotel9
June 24, 2020 9:29 am

Getting ones eyes opened can be a painful operation.

Reply to  Old.George
June 24, 2020 4:55 pm

When they have been in “command” positions inside government it certainly is.

June 19, 2020 1:16 pm

Anyone who doesn’t agree with whatever I happened to say last is anti science! Sounds familiar.

June 19, 2020 1:20 pm

I wonder if Fauci believes the “97%” of scientists on climate change ?
I suspect he does.


Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
June 19, 2020 1:33 pm

It depends on how “climate change” is defined.
The real question is does he believe in post-normal science? Does Fauci believe a claimed 97% consensus equates to proof?

Jeffery P
June 19, 2020 1:20 pm

Well, Faucci is right about scientific ignore being ingrained in Americans – – That includes those who believe in “science” and the “deniers,”* too.

And Fauci is very wrong on equating “respect for authority”** being part of science.

*Apologies for using that word.

**Real meaning is “Respect for leftist authoritarians.”

Joel O’Bryan
June 19, 2020 1:28 pm

It’s because science is frequently wrong. Dead wrong frequently in the case of biomedical science.

The science said stomach ulcers were caused by stress and too much acid production…until the science said something completely different.
Science said cervical cancer in women was simply random mutations on a genetic background… until science said something different.
Science said COX-2 inhibitors were safe in the general public, until they weren’t and were removed from the market (except for 1 which carries strong warnings for Drs and patients in prescibing it).
And don’t dig into 60 years of dietary science unless you want to see some very spectacular “science dumpster fires.”

June 19, 2020 1:31 pm

I thought “question authority” was a good thing, whether that authority be political or scientific. Perhaps the “authorities” running the lockdown don’t like uncomfortable questions. To paraphrase Shakespeare, “The doctor doth protest too much, methinks.”

Reply to  PaulH
June 19, 2020 3:23 pm

Progressives believe in questioning authority, only up to the point where they become the auntorities.

June 19, 2020 1:34 pm

“Science” is the systematic search for the truth. I believe in science, I don’t believe in Dr. Anthony Fauci.

Climate believer
June 19, 2020 1:48 pm

“when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together.”

from Isaac Asimov “The relativity of wrong”

Reply to  Climate believer
June 20, 2020 7:19 pm

What he wrote actually makes no sense. Think about it.

Andy Pattullo
June 19, 2020 1:52 pm

I am hopeful that he is right, that people don’t “believe” science or authority. Science is not a religion and authority is no guarantee of truth. To be misled by belief or authority is a road to disaster. Science is simply a process of investigation and discovery designed to bring us closer to an understanding of truth. Today “science” is used as a label like “green”, “sustainable”, “social justice”, “organic” and many others that is meant to imply some vague virtue but which is a guarantee of nothing. And today authority is an excuse to tell people how to live without having to provide any rational justification.

June 19, 2020 2:00 pm

Climate scientists ‘failed’ when they promulgated the position that: ‘ the science was settled’. From that day forward they have become less and less credible. They did this to themselves.

William Astley
June 19, 2020 2:15 pm

It is very simple. It is not about ‘science’. It is about the money. That is evil and stupid.

It is fact that Fauci’s “science” is filtered. The US covid deaths simulation assumed a Vitamin D deficient US population which is pathetic.

‘Authorities’ could have reduce the US covid death rate by more than a factor of 10 by correcting the US population’s Vitamin D deficiency.

The problem is the correcting the US population’s Vitamin D deficiency option, would also have permanently reduced the US health care costs by more than 50%.

82% of the US black population, 69% of the US Hispanic population, and 42% of the US general population are Vitamin D deficient.

And it has been shown (hard simple evidence, blood samples and a simple test to determine serum 25(OH)D3) that regardless of sex or age Vitamin D deficient people are 19 times more likely to die from covid and/or to have serious covid symptoms.

Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults

Patterns of COVID-19 Mortality and Vitamin D: An Indonesian Study

Vitamin D Insufficient Patients 12.55 times more likely to die
Vitamin D Deficient Patients 19.12 times more likely to die

Coronavirus: Black African deaths three times higher than white Britons – study

Severe Vitamin D deficient is below 20 ng/ml. Supplements of 4000 UI/day would raise most people to above 40 ng/ml which is the level that has been shown to shrink prostate cancer tumors and stop inflammation which how the prostate cancer forms blood vessels and reduce breast cancer incidence by more than 70%. It has also been shown to reduce the incidence of type 2 diabetes by more than 50%, reduce the incidence of multiple sclerosis by more 60%, significant reduction in depression, and so on. All good stuff which makes sense as Vitamin D is a proto hormone. It turns genes on and off to make things happen in our body.

mario lento
Reply to  William Astley
June 19, 2020 3:23 pm

Great post! I just ran a blood serum test. My 25(OH)D was 62 ng/ml. Interestingly, my vit K was off the chart at >2,500. But my blood is not clotty, I take 2.5gms of fish oil every morning. Not sure where I am getting all that vit K from. I do take two types of juiced powders also in my morning cocktail.

William Astley
Reply to  mario lento
June 19, 2020 6:26 pm

You did not get to 60 ng/ml taking 2 grams of fish oil.

Fish oil only has about 1000 IU of Vitamin D per tablespoon and a tablespoon has about 14 grams in it.

A person in the forum is taking Vitamin D supplements of 4000 UI/day and his 25(OH)D3 serum level (tested after supplements) was only 40 ng/ml. (He must be a big man.)


Based on the results of international studies, the concentration of Vitamin D3 and its derivatives in fish liver oil falls within the range of 40-200 IU/ml.[11]

Moreover, in “Krause’s Food and the Nutrition Care Process,” one of the most used textbook by nutritionist, the concentration of Vitamin D3 in fish liver oil is reported as 1060 IU per tablespoon that is equal to 70.6 IU/ml.

mario lento
Reply to  William Astley
June 19, 2020 10:31 pm

You’re right I was being hasty and went to the vit K think.

I take 3 times a day 2000IU, and have a convertible and get sun without using sun screen when I can. I live in NCal.

I like seeing your posts and you may recall I have commented on yours several times on the HCQ and ionophore properties of EGCA and quercetin, which I also take.

Mario lento
Reply to  William Astley
June 19, 2020 11:19 pm

William Astley: PS: I am pretty happy with this level of D in my blood. I have not measure in several years, but have been dosing with D for years, and about 6 months ago, upped from 2000 to 5000IU I bumped to 6000IU as well as other Ca Mg Zn with addition 400IU 3 X day. The Zn added 12mg a day with that, but I had not considered the prostate formula I take 3 x a day which has 15mg in each so an additional 45mg, which I feel is too much, so I am down to 2 x day for 30mg and 1 to 2 of the Ca Mg Zn.

My blood pH was 7.5, which I attribute to taking two juiced veggie / fruit powders and additional CA/Mg.

Your thoughts?

Reply to  mario lento
June 20, 2020 3:03 am

if your juiced powders are green?
thats your source

mario lento
Reply to  ozspeaksup
June 20, 2020 11:30 pm

Yep. I did not know there was SOOO much K in greens. Guess I am getting plenty. Anyway I do not have a blood clotting issue, esp with the fish oil. So I could not find an upper limit where there are problems with K in the blood.

Reply to  mario lento
June 21, 2020 5:50 am

Don’t forget that there are two flavors of K — K1 and K2. K1 is for clotting, K2 interacts with calcium and D to help ensure it is utilized properly (bones/teeth) and not deposited on arterial walls. All the stuff you might have read about be sure to get enough K if you are taking a lot of D is talking about K2, not K1.

mario lento
Reply to  mario lento
June 21, 2020 12:28 pm

The K test I paid for did not differentiate as to which K, 1 or 2. Just that I had a lot more than the max range. 0-1,500. My number was >2,500.

Dan Harrison
Reply to  William Astley
June 19, 2020 5:23 pm

Great Post. What about Vitamin C? Any good info? An anecdotal says you can contain a COVID-19 infection with about 6 grams (6,000 mg) if you know when to take it (assuming no other complications such as a severe Vitamin D shortage). [Hint: COVID-19 induces an excessive inflammatory response. Vitamin C relieves inflammation. Your body absorbs and uses Vitamin C immediately and excretes any excess. China seems to have figured this out now. (Fauci-scientists won’t talk about Vitamins.)]

Same result for the second strain of COVID-19 that almost no one is talking about. Yes, you can get COVID-19 twice, but its a different strain with some different symptoms. I’ve often wondered if the “second” strain is mitigated by antibodies from the more common (more virulent) strain that most people get first, and that if you are unlucky enough to get the “second” strain first without the antibiotic mitigation from the first strain, it may kill you or at least put you on a ventilator.

June 19, 2020 2:32 pm

Dear Dr Fauci;

Can you please show me where in the scientific method it calls for “belief”?
No you can’t because it’s not in there.

Can you show me where it says “consensus of experts was reached” or “the majority of scientists say so”?
No you can’t because it’s not in there.

So what is the scientific method based on? Predictions, predictions and more predictions. Here is a refresher for you:


Now Dr Fauci can you please tell us what predictions you and your “authority” figures in science got right on this issue?

I’m glad I could help you out there fella now STFU and PFO.

June 19, 2020 2:34 pm

Fauci Doesn’t know what science is. It is not expert opinion.

Robert of Ottawa
June 19, 2020 2:59 pm

Let me correct that headline:

Americans don’t believe Fauci.

Nor any other government promoted expert.

Good grief, how often can you change positions 180 degrees, get it wrong, exaggerate. We have the same problem in Canada with a “Dr.” (once) Tam.

June 19, 2020 3:05 pm

Dr. Fauci didn’t sound like a scientist to me!

And from where does he gain his authority? I’ve never seen his name on a ballot!

June 19, 2020 3:06 pm

The arrogance of this guy is nauseating. Americans DO believe in science….but he hasn’t been spouting “science”.

June 19, 2020 3:07 pm

“They just don’t believe science and they don’t believe authority”. Those are two completely different things. Not surprised that Herr Fauci doesn’t know that.

sky king
June 19, 2020 3:29 pm

Fauci, your appeals to your authority are not science. You are the perfect example of Sowell’s “Annointed”. Be gone! You are the deplorable one. Go kiss the Hildabeast’s feet.

Mike Fletcher
June 19, 2020 3:32 pm

Maybe if I was shown some real science and not the money hungry, politically motivated garbage that is passed off as science today, I might start believing in it again.

June 19, 2020 3:39 pm

I dont believe “political” scientists, and computer models.

June 19, 2020 3:39 pm

“Fauci also said people should believe him and trust him, because of his long track record” of being completely wrong and lying about Covid-19 …. Just to correct the record. Science is not a religion and people do not need to believe in it.

June 19, 2020 3:43 pm

Here in Germany we have a new hotspot with about 700 new infections one ofthe last days, the last hotspots too, in an industrial slaughter house . Now the are closing again schools etc.
But R0 isn’t concerned, is proclaimed. Why ?

For staying permanently below 1.0, the changed the way to define the R0 value.
The use now average last 8 days new infected / average the last 8 days before the first ones, so they tell to be at 0.86 or so.
The earlier way was to calculate only with 4 days, and than you get, surprise, surprise, a value of today 2.09, before 2.14 and one day earlier 2.29
They are so good, aren’t they ? 😀
I call that self-deception.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 20, 2020 3:35 am

That case and a few others in Germany, mirror exactly the US meatpacker hotspots, for exactly the same reason – pure slave labor conditions, people packed in accommodation after shift. Germany will now try labor law. But the real cause is the cartel of only a few giant meat-packers making profits, paying farmers less than parity.
Interesting how monetarist economics kills.
And instead of that truth, they run after a Ribosome with Sherlock’s microscope looking for Moriarty.
No wonder they cannot figure an R0.

Andrew Kerber
June 19, 2020 3:50 pm

The fact that Fauci says science rather than the scientific method makes it abundantly clear he doesn’t understand the scientific method. Of course we already knew this since he quoted computer models (ie, part of the establish a hypothesis step if the scientific method) as if they were the measurements step of the scientific method.

Al Miller
June 19, 2020 4:00 pm

I don’t- believe in Klimate sience, or models of any sort (Klimate, Pandemic or other) and the biased liars who always seem to be touting them for the benefit of UN Agenda 21.

Peter Wilson
June 19, 2020 4:12 pm

The problem surely is that there rarely is THE science, there’s a range of scientific opinions on many subjects, including epidemiology (and climate, obviously), and just “trusting the science” give no guidance as to WHICH expert to prefer. The Swedes for instance, have a law that only scientists are allowed to make health related decisions – the result has been that their trusted scientist has recommended a completely different course from what Fauci would. So “trusting the science” has led to diametrically opposite responses in each case.

mario lento
Reply to  Peter Wilson
June 19, 2020 4:17 pm

Well good scientists often agree to disagree. So they still could have used science and down the opposite!

john york
June 19, 2020 4:34 pm

“One of the problems we face in the United States is that unfortunately, there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are — for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable and not understandable — they just don’t believe science and they don’t believe authority”

We weren’t allowed to question drug companies when they paid scientists to tell us thalidomide was safe for pregnant women.
>>>Because, they said, the science was incontrovertible.
We weren’t allowed to question oil companies when they paid scientists to tell us that cars wouldn’t run on unleaded fuel.
>>> Because, they said, you couldn’t argue with science.
We weren’t allowed to question the Nazis when they paid scientists to tell us that Jews, gays, and gypsies were subhuman.
>>> Because, they said, the science was beyond question.
We weren’t allowed to question sugar manufacturers when they paid Harvard scientists to tell us sugar was good for us.
>>> Because, they said, the science was unassailable.
We weren’t allowed to question our government when they paid scientists to tell us agent orange was not a health risk for veterans.
>>> Because, they said, the science was settled.
Why can’t we question the government when they pay scientists to tell us the world will end if we don’t wear a mask and stop global warming.

For thousands of years ordinary people have been questioning scientists, their governments, and religious institutions.
Asking questions of the powerful should never be a crime nor a reason for ridicule.

John Adams
Reply to  john york
June 20, 2020 9:06 am

Where do you find all these straw men? Sources?

June 19, 2020 4:37 pm

Follow the science is asking people to believe everything they’re told whether their is evidence or not. It’s suggesting we are too stupid to understand the science and shouldn’t question anything. All theories which suggest predictive outcomes are based on assumptions.Those assumptions are influenced by the biases that are held by the person making them and are designed to provide the outcome that one wants are expects. It is always easy to identify from the assumptions whether a theory makes sense. Confirmation bias makes people wary of scientific conclusions especially where the scientist gains some personal benefit ( either financial or political)

June 19, 2020 4:57 pm

I would be interested the hear Fauci explain the differences between practicing medicine on a heard of cattle vs a group of humans. I’m sure he’s well meaning, but it seems he’s forgotten that his role is to represent and educate. America isn’t his Zoo, and we aren’t mindless beasts.

June 19, 2020 5:07 pm

No, we don’t, because you keep lying.

June 19, 2020 5:26 pm

Fauci ought to read the climate gate emails and then go over to retractionwatch. In addition, scientists are human and just as prone to human shortcomings as us non-scientists, and many, if not most of them, are leftists.

I question science when I can sense that it’s science that can be used for policy makers to enact some more left-wing tentacle laws on us.

B d Clark
June 19, 2020 5:42 pm

I just want to say there are some really excellent posts on here tonight.

June 19, 2020 5:55 pm

Fauci: Americans “Don’t Believe Science”.

No no no. Americans do believe in science. They just do not believe Fauci who has contradicted himself too many times.

The best thing Trump can do is kick this little pip squeak out of White House press conferences.

mario lento
Reply to  Mervyn
June 19, 2020 5:57 pm

Carefully, or we will have impeachment 2.0…

Reply to  mario lento
June 19, 2020 6:07 pm

There is no “2.0”, it never stopped. Continuation, its how leftist keep all their anti-American crap going.

Reply to  2hotel9
June 20, 2020 4:02 am

The Atlanticist journal openly praises the use of a color revolution against Trump, exactly on the lines of the Ukraine Maidan. They even quote approvingly the color ideologue Gene Sharp.

So Maidan has come home to roost.

Reply to  bonbon
June 20, 2020 4:11 am

Just read an article quoting one of Black Lies Matter founders stating their only goal is removing Trump. So much for all that racial equality they keep screeching about.

Reply to  bonbon
June 20, 2020 4:35 am

Gene Sharp in action. There is systemic racism, but blame it all on the figure to be removed. Find other problems, such as right now the lockdown, unemployment, and as Russian Ambassador pointed out there were 40 million unemployed before COVID. The virus exposed the massive economic problem Trump was actually elected to deal with.
It could be the virus will upturn the color revolution, something Gene Sharp missed.

Reply to  mario lento
June 19, 2020 8:14 pm

Impeachment was not about “Ukraine”. It was only Trump-Russia rebranded. Ukraine was just a new label because the consumer got bored with the “muh Russia” thing.

So impeachment was already Mueller 2.0, which was just the continuity of the Flynn thing, which was essentially the craziest interpretation of the Logan act… plus the “dossier” plus Jesus doing arm-wrestling with Satan plus the idea that “Russia, please recover the State secretary acid washed emails” means “Russia, please hack the DNC servers and please phish Podesta”.

mario lento
Reply to  niceguy
June 19, 2020 10:16 pm

2Hotel9 and niceguy: You’re both right. I was being hasty. That’s why I love this site. It’s amazing how uninformed the Left is on all of this.

I literally just posted quotes from BLM after someone whom I know never visited their website, and stated 100% support for them. The response to the following quotes form BLM was that I was twisting their words into my own making and then he gave me a link to Hitler on Wiki.: I did not call him a moron, but he is.

Quotes from BLM website
“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and villages. ”

“We call for a national defunding of police.” 

“White Supremacy is threatening our existence.” 

June 19, 2020 6:25 pm

Dr. Fauci confuses models used in science with science itself; ie, the stepwise inquiry into nature. Dr. Fauci uses models to predict the future, the future of the coronavirus pandemic. As in all models, all his and everyone else’s models are wrong. Models are a construct of human imagination with modelers incorporating their views and biases so it is not surprising, that models get predictions of the future wrong. All sorts of nostrums and chants are invoked to give credence to a forecaster’s forecast, however, the forecast isn’t any more “real” than a suggestion from a bloke off the street.

Just because the forecaster is dressed up and all fancy with titles and such doesn’t make the forecast any more believable. As a matter of fact, experts are less correct than the man off the street in predicting future events. That’s a fact.

Experts are always good to listen to but when it comes to your wallet, probably you are the best person to decide what to do with your money and how you conduct your life.

Just saying.

June 19, 2020 6:42 pm

The liberals are dismissing anything that Trump says cause it’s Trump.

The conservatives are dismissing anything that Fauci says cause it’s Fauci.

Both follow the fallacy of argumentum ad personam.

That is all but critical thinking. Face it.

Not Chicken Little
June 19, 2020 6:57 pm

You keep using that word, “science”. I do not think it means what you think it means.

June 19, 2020 7:03 pm

Americans don’t believe pseudoscience, and Americans don’t believe false authority.

Fauci is too full of himself.

June 19, 2020 7:35 pm

I’m sure that none of this will ever get to Fauci, and if it did, wouldn’t sink in. But, suggestions for him:
Never lie using science as a club. It’s too easy to catch you up.
If new information causes you to update or change your position, find a simple method to document the reasons/data. Even we conservative “scientists” have a low tolerance for long-winded explanations. Referring to one’s homepage is not a bad way…
When you see total balderdash, like a EUA that only allows hydroxychloriquine in a clinical/hospital setting (too late!) and ignores the proven efficacy of zinc addition and zpac, administered early, POINT IT OUT. There are some many ways you could have aided the cause of science, but you tried to sound like an Authority, not a problem solver.
A coherent explanation of actual transmission data would be nice.

Bruce of Newcastle
June 19, 2020 7:40 pm

The Fauci/CDC propaganda about HCQ is interesting since the data doesn’t support it. The same is the case for CAGW propaganda – the empirical data doesn’t support that either.

The climateers may just find that the bat crud crisis will accidentally bury their climate non-crisis.

June 19, 2020 7:42 pm

I want a poll on Americans:

Are you:
1) pro-science
2) anti-science
3) neutral
4) undecided
5) what is “science”?
6) are you crazy? are you drunk?

Reply to  niceguy
June 20, 2020 1:32 am

Its better to watch people’s behavior to see what they believe.
do they act like they believe in science?


house parties, churches,


In Korea they trace down every outbreak without a few small exceptions ( noted recently)
ALL of the transmissions happen in the same way.

1. A GROUP of people
3. with POOR ventilation
4. For a LONG time
5. without MASKs.

recently we had our FIRST EVER cases from a few restaurants. The numbers are tiny (3-4 or cluster)

this really isn’t that hard people.

weddings, funerals, parties, conferences,workplaces, Gyms, nightclubs, bars,
hospitals, nursing homes, prisons, markets,

The list is simple and consistent. Its the same country to country.

Note: no parks, no beaches, no outside dining places

It’s not even science that people don’t believe in, it’s common [snip] sense they refuse to practice.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 20, 2020 8:51 pm

I went to the beach this past week, and I had no fear, no mask, and no sympathy for the pod people I saw in their fashionable face masks that they have no clue how to use properly.

Stopped at a Subway, where I was told that the women’s bathroom had a ripped off toilet seat, toilet tissue all over the place, in total violation of any health code that should have shut the place down, and yet the employees were wearing face masks …………….. INCORRECTLY.

Stopped at a McDonald’s, and there again employees were in masks, INCORRECTLY — one guy had his mask under his lip, another under his nose, another under his neck. Everybody looked pissed off and stressed out. But, oh, this is all for our health.

Such a joke!

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 22, 2020 9:18 pm

I went to a healthcare center in Paris and receptionists were wearing masks incorrectly.

Also, there was a video looped on the TV of the waiting room explaining the importance of wearing masks correctly.

June 19, 2020 9:08 pm

I appreciate The good Doctor’s frustration. When the President won’t wear a mask it might be hard for some people to believe in the Science but I have seen a recent poll that showed 80%of people surveyed wear a mask whenever they go out.
Many are very concerned about Covid 19. I for one miss the updates from the Science community.
The Bible describes these days as being critical and hard to deal with.
Without Science To find a vaccine or at least medication that treats the condition.. without Science we will see the numbers that happened a century ago.
Don’t get discouraged I believe there are more that believe in Science then don’t.

Reply to  PJR
June 20, 2020 12:51 am

Expert flip flopper??

June 19, 2020 9:27 pm

“they just don’t believe science and they don’t believe authority,”

has to be one of the dumbest take, ever.

June 20, 2020 1:45 am

“There will be a challenge to the coming administration in the arena of infectious diseases.’ — Watch Dr. Anthony Fauci predict a pandemic under the Trump admin back in 2017”

Reply to  jmorpuss
June 20, 2020 3:44 am

Pretty clear – the mistake made by even geniuses is not looking beyond borders, and trying to go it alone.
Besides Dr. Fauci, US Army studies forecast outbreaks.
So the only way to defeat this beast, COVID19, is cooperation with China, to start.

Reply to  bonbon
June 20, 2020 3:53 am

bonbon China want no part in cooperation or even any kind of communication, they don’t care. They want total power, they want to own us. Do some research on China and Australia. They take control by stealth, to begin with at least.

Reply to  Megs
June 20, 2020 4:29 am

Sez you.

I do not believe you.

Reply to  bonbon
June 20, 2020 5:04 am

Then you are ignorant bonbon. We have a Chinese friend of more than 45 years and you could not meet a more generous person. We were the sole witnesses at his wedding, my husband MC’d the funeral when his wife passed away. He invited us to his home in mainland China for tomb sweeping.

Our friend, like most people is a kind and caring person. The Chinese government is nothing like our friend. They are powerful, dangerous and ruthless.

They own large swathes of Australian property, they also own rights to water and have bought into our dairy and agricultural industry. They built and own a military grade airport in Western Australia. They have a ninety nine year lease on on a port in Darwin and the state of Victoria have signed onto a Belts and Roads agreement against the wishes of the Federal Government. This state refuses to disclose the nature of the agreement. Typically a large loan is involved an if you can’t pay up, they own you.

Our government (along with others) have requested an inquiry into the origin and spread of the Wuhan virus and now they are making trade and cyber threats against us.

Don’t mock me bonbon, do some of your own research.

Richard Patton
Reply to  Megs
June 20, 2020 11:01 am

I second your opinion. If bonbon had done some simple research about what is being reported in Australian media (simple in this day and age of the Internet) he would have discovered that you are right. “There is none so blind as he who will not see.”

Reply to  bonbon
June 20, 2020 5:27 pm

bonbon’s hatred of the English and capitalism in general causes him/her/it to treat any opponent to either of those as a bosom buddy.

Reply to  bonbon
June 20, 2020 5:25 pm

“So the only way to defeat this beast, COVID19, is cooperation with China, to start.”

That would only be true if China were to have manufactured the virus and already had in their possession a vaccine or the ideal drug to fight it.

I can’t see how we get any advantage from cooperating with China, especially considering the lies they have told and the underhanded ways they have already used with the rest of the world.

June 20, 2020 1:48 am

“This site exists solely to host Plandemic – a video that YouTube and other media giants have deemed inappropriate for you to view. We will not say whether or not we believe the video’s allegations. We will say that there isn’t a single corporation or government on this planet that has the right to decide what information we are allowed to receive.”

Jeroen B.
June 20, 2020 2:24 am

I don’t ‘believe’ any science.

I either understand it, or I don’t.
And if I don’t understand it (and it interests/impacts me), I try to find information that helps me understand it.

Reply to  Jeroen B.
June 20, 2020 8:21 am

“I don’t ‘believe’ any science.”
I don’t “believe in” any science. I prefer to know when I’ve been wrong all along. I have had prior beliefs that have turned out to not be the case. Is it right to question the Big Bang theory? Of course, it is done all the time. Is it right to question the standard particle theory? Done all the time. Is there inheritance of acquired characteristics? See epigenetics.

June 20, 2020 2:25 am

With more and more people able to access higher education, there’s 374 doctors per 100,000 people (in Australia) in 2014, that’s only 267 per doctor , that’s about 1 a day if you exclude weekends, No wounder they have to charge so much. Can any one else see, the way to a prosperous economic future is paved with chronic disease and allergies. The best way to create chronic diseases and allergies is to inject crap straight into the body and bypass our natural immune defences as Dr Judy Mikovits talks about in her book Plandemic . And that’s why Dr Fraudci can predict the future.

June 20, 2020 4:13 am

Interesting that Dr. Fauci uses those words.
Its because what is underway in the US right now is a color revolution.
The Gene Sharp methods are here nicely itemized per revolution:
See the reference to Authority, patriarchal memes.

It could be that the White House, taking the assault head on, sees something that Dr. Fauci is referring to.

The Russiagate hoax, the Flynn railroad, and now the China-did-it hoax, are all failing. London’s Chatham House will not tolerate another Trump admin. A color revolution is in full swing. The pink one was only a warmup.

June 20, 2020 4:26 am

Municipality: Girdwood gatherings lead to 5 positive COVID cases, more with symptoms


ANCHORAGE (KTUU) – The Municipality of Anchorage Health Department is monitoring 42 people as close contacts of five people who have tested positive for COVID-19 after attending two private gatherings in Girdwood. The Municipality is reiterating the importance for residents to continue wearing masks and practice physical distancing.

The Girdwood events were a combination of indoors and outdoors, though were mostly outdoors, Pineda said.

Deciding not to be tested

Pineda says some of the people identified through contact tracing relating to the Girdwood events have begun to show symptoms of COVID-19, and some have decided not to get tested. The city can’t force people to be tested, but is recommending anyone showing symptoms to act as though they have received a positive test

June 20, 2020 5:15 am

“There’s nothing older in the history of mankind than the idea that wisdom resides in the few, the elite, and they have been ordained to forcibly impose that wisdom on the rest of us….the ugliest parts of human history are explained by that kind of phenomenon – where people think that they have the right to control the lives of other people” Walter E. Williams @12:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgnrUz8lAiQ

Grady C
June 20, 2020 7:09 am

Dr Fauci lost all credibility when he simultaneously proclaimed that masks were useless for the general public, but masks were desperately needed by medical professionals. Masks either work or they don’t. To proclaim they don’t work for the layperson, but when a doctor or nurse wears a mask, then the magic happens and they work… well, that’s unethical and violates the Hippocratic Oath to “above all, do no harm.”

June 20, 2020 7:48 am

What he means is people are not listening to him.

We now know that healthy people will not die from the virus and we also know people do not like to be locked up and restricted without jobs and income. He has not lost a paycheck so he is not talking from experience.

We also know the country cannot be shut down and survive as a nation. And we know Fauci is not the president of the US. And he should not presume to know what I believe.

June 20, 2020 9:41 am

I have to wonder: does Dr. Fauci practice medicine anymore? Does he examine patients? Does he do any hospital rounds or surgery? Does he prescribe any medicines? I think these questions should be asked of all “doctors” within our health care bureaucracy. But I think I know the answers: “no” to all the above. Their trip through medical school grants them a title, and working for the government means a guaranteed 6-figure (or more) salary, benefits, pension, etc. without the need to be around sick people. And you can complain when people ask questions you don’t like. Nice job, if you can get it.

M__ S__
June 20, 2020 9:52 am

Fauci’s proven himself to be a political animal.

Donald Hanson
June 20, 2020 9:53 am

What he says is what the liberal elites believe of America. They think we are all uneducated rubes who just don’t believe what they say and that we really know nothing. It is beyond them to consider we are educated, many of us having degrees in science and having worked in a technical field(like a reactor operator) who want to see the evidence and make a determination for ourselves. They think we are uneducated and should blindly believe our superiors.

June 20, 2020 10:38 am

I think the comments show that most commenters on this site are anti-expertise, think that the Internet conspiracies that they can google make them as smart or smarter than real experts like Dr Fauci who has years of real-world expertise in disease control.

Also the most worrying thing is the belief that all facts are not objective, but a part of some narrative created by a shadowy cabal secretly controlling people.

This all chimes in perfectly with their support for the most anti-expertise, anti-intellectual, lazy corrupt slimeball ever to be elected as President. No-one on this blog dares call Trump for recommending hydroxychloroquine which Dr Fauci warned might not be effective, which turned out surprise surprise, to be completely ineffective. Or his claims that what was needed was lots of light into the body combined with bleach to combat the virus. Or his claims that HIV has a vaccine. Or the flood of lies he tells every day.

Of course, its the experts’ fault for being so “high and mighty” with their degrees and learnin’ when all they need is Google.

“We now know that healthy people will not die from the virus and we also know people do not like to be locked up and restricted without jobs and income. He has not lost a paycheck so he is not talking from experience”

This perfectly encapsulates this sort of thinking. Plenty of previously healthy people have died from COVID-19. The virus’ ability to kill people who are older or have compromised immune systems in no way invalidates the fact that catching the virus for even for healthy people can have long term serious consequences even if they recover. Things like lung transplants or severe and permanent heart, liver or kidney damage because the virus thickens the blood so much.

The most disturbing thing about this blog is how many subscribe to this cult of anti-expertise, ignoring their own mistakes and failings while criticizing harshly the difficult task of working out how the disease will spread in a population that thinks it has some divine right to be uninconvenienced by things out of their or the government’s control. I mean, don’t they pay taxes to keep foreign viruses from killing people like themselves so that they don’t have to be inconvenienced by changing their own behavior?

Of course, the anti-expert’s anti-expert is Willis Eschenbach, a person beguiled by his own lack of knowledge to make all sorts of false claims, including most recently that the COVID-19 epidemic was over and the lockdown was a waste of time. The data on the spread of the disease show that its not so, and the states which locked down most effectively are the ones where the virus spread is declining like New York and the New England states and the ones most lax are the ones where the virus spread is accelerating like Arizona, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma and North Carolina.

How many people will die of this false confidence in the power of anti-expertise? Will Willis break the rule of a lifetime and admit he was completely wrong? I suspect that like his President, he will take no responsibility at all. But that’s the advantage of being an anti-expert –

People are queueing right now in Tulsa, OK to see an out-of-depth President who is desperate for adulation, having been beaten up many times by reality, from people who credulously believe like him that masks and social distancing are a political statement and that being in an enclosed environment for several hours to hear the Orange One will not catch a virus which has so far killed 120,000 people and infected 2.3 million. Because they’re patriots, or think they are immune or that its all a Democratic hoax.

The real hoax is the false confidence that the virus only affects the weak or the impious or impure. And they are willing to literally die for that belief. And also the people they infect when they get home. Because viruses don’t care about your religiosity or your patriotism.

The HIV/AIDS epidemic has not gone away, and in the absence of a useful vaccine, the only protection is screening, contact and trace and most of all, changes to people’s behavior whether they’re healthy or not.

I suspect that, in the absence of an effective vaccine there is, like HIV, no effective control until people change their behavior. There is no herd immunity without a vaccine and people will die of ignorance whether they’re righteous before God or not or believe in Trump or not or vote Republican or not.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  JohnA
June 20, 2020 12:35 pm

Don’t you have a bridge to haunt somewhere?

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 20, 2020 5:31 pm

I doubt he’s self aware enough to even notice how trollish he is.

Donald Hanson
Reply to  JohnA
June 20, 2020 2:58 pm

Wow. Thanks for proving the point I made earlier.

John A
Reply to  Donald Hanson
June 25, 2020 3:59 am

Wow, thanks for proving my point that you are immune to facts.