Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
[UPDATE—
Well, I got up today and fired up the weed wacker and went out to sweat a bit in the sun. You can see the mowed part at the bottom and the much larger unmowed part behind … I limit my fun to one tank of gas per day, makes my hands shake afterward.

And while turning tall grass into short grass, I thought …
Rats! I asked the wrong question!
The question is not “Do Lockdowns Work”? The answer to that is obviously yes. All different types of those restrictions, from the mildest to the most draconian, will have some effect on the speed of transmission. So “Do lockdowns work?” is meaningless.
The real question is, “Is Extending Lockdowns Worth The Cost?”
That is to say, will any further extension of the lockdowns make any difference? From what people say below, we don’t see the effects of the lockdowns for three weeks or so after the imposition of the sanctions. Now, thanks to a most interesting site provided by my generally aggravating friend Steve Mosher, the future of the US looks like this (the site also has individual states):

If the peak is in two weeks, and the effects of what we do today won’t be visible for two weeks, and at this point the possible changes are small, is that worth the huge damage this lockdown is doing?
The problem that I see is the cost. One week of lockdown has cost us two trillion dollars, along with thousands of failed businesses, people unable to retire because their 401Ks are in the toilet, hundreds of thousands unemployed, a big uptick in domestic violence, and lots of jobs lost.
Now, I estimate that something on the order of 80,000 people will die in the US from this virus. (Curious me, I also looked up the estimate from the model above … 93,000.) Suppose the “flattening the curve” saves 10% of them. By all indications, it won’t, but let’s use that number.
That means that we have spent two trillion dollars to save maybe 8,000 people.
And that, in turn, means that we’ve spent a QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS PER PERSON, most of them over 70 like me but unlike me with other diseases, and put our economy in the crapper in the bargain. I may be wrong, but somehow I don’t think my life is worth a quarter billion dollars.
Now, think about the alternative—voluntary self-isolation, particularly of geezers like me, along with putting two billion into field hospitals, quarantine hospitals, accelerated doctor and nurse training in quarantine procedures, ventilators, masks, quarantine ambulances, drug production of antibiotics, chloroquine, and whatever drugs we need, instructional videos on social distancing, and the like.
I’d say there’s a good chance that we could save more than the 8,000 people by that method, and no matter how many we saved, we’d end up with a) a medical system second to none, b) a humming economy that just had two trillion poured into increased production, c) on-shoring our drug-production industry, d) no business losses, unemployment, or job losses, and e) no uptick in domestic violence.
Call me crazy, but I do NOT want to spend another two trillion dollars to prop up a mostly “feel-good” lockdown ..
Given the general ineffectiveness of these various lockdown-type interventions in the Western countries, and given that a couple weeks of lockdown have already cost us a trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of vanished jobs and failed businesses and unemployed workers …
… given all of that, I have to ask … is yesterday too soon to end the lockdowns?
Don’t give up. Just end the stay-at-home shelter-in-place regulations. Leave a strong VOLUNTARY self-isolation on geezers like myself, retired folks. Test incoming visitors to the US. Keep washing hands. START WEARING MASKS!.
Let’s get the country back to work before any more people go bankrupt or are unable to pay their rent.
Anyhow, that was my morning. How was yours? I’ve changed the title of the post, and left the original title as well, for searching purposes. And now, here’s my original post.
Best wishes to all for good health,
w.]
Before this $%^&* lockdown started, I said “SPEND THE $1 TRILLION ON OUR HEALTH SYSTEM AND DON’T LOCK THE UNITED STATES DOWN”!!!
(See, back then they were only talking one trillion. But it’s politicians spending OPM, so of course now it’s two trillion.)
And from everything I’ve seen up to now, I was right. Near as I can tell, the lockdowns in various countries have done little & our health system is still inadequate. However, that’s just anecdotal. So here is some harder data on the question.
First, almost every country has implemented some forms of health interventions, ranging from the mild to the Chinese-style totalitarian clampdowns.
And as the Koreans have shown, this can work … but only if people are willing to have quarantines enforced with GPS locations and a surveillance state and GPS contact tracing that shows everywhere you’ve been in the last two weeks. As far as I can see, you have to be Korea or China to pull that one off, and no western country has even tried it.
And as a result, there is very little difference between the spread of disease and the concomitant rate of death in any of the western countries. Figure 1 shows the tragic trajectory of death in the 14 countries with the highest death rates.

Figure 1. Coronavirus deaths versus the number of days since the country went over 10 deaths per million people.
As you can see, there is very little difference in the death rates between the various countries, despite the fact that they all have differing levels of health interventions to try to prevent the spread. They’re all following the same trajectory.
Now, other than lockdowns, what kind of health interventions am I referring to? Glad you asked. Over at ACAP you can download a dataset of the different kinds of measures used by different countries. They list no less than 33 different types of health interventions being used to fight the coronavirus, viz:
- Additional health/documents requirements upon arrival
- Amendments to funeral and burial regulations
- Awareness campaigns
- Border checks
- Border closure
- Changes in prison-related policies
- Checkpoints within the country
- Complete border closure
- Curfews
- Domestic travel restrictions
- Economic measures
- Emergency administrative structures activated or established
- Full lockdown
- General recommendations
- Health screenings in airports and border crossings
- Humanitarian exemptions
- International flights suspension
- Introduction of quarantine policies
- Limit product imports/exports
- Limit public gatherings
- Lockdown of refugee/idp camps or other minorities
- Mass population Testing
- Military deployment
- Obligatory medical tests not related to COVID-19
- Partial lockdown
- Psychological assistance and medical social work
- Public services closure
- Schools closure
- State of emergency declared
- Strengthening the public health system
- Surveillance and monitoring
- Testing policy
- Visa restrictions
So I used that to see if countries with more of those restrictions fared better. Here, for example, are the restrictions imposed by South Korea over time. Some are listed twice because they were expanded or made more rigorous over time:
- Health screenings in airports and border crossings
- Limit public gatherings
- Visa restrictions
- Visa restrictions
- Introduction of quarantine policies
- Schools closure
- Introduction of quarantine policies
- Additional health/documents requirements upon arrival
- Surveillance and monitoring
- General recommendations
- Additional health/documents requirements upon arrival
- General recommendations
- Partial lockdown
- General recommendations
- Introduction of quarantine policies
- Psychological assistance and medical social work
- Introduction of quarantine policies
- Surveillance and monitoring
Quarantine, then surveillance, then more rigorous quarantine, then even more rigorous surveillance and quarantine. I don’t believe that Americans would put up with that.
However, being a graphically minded sort of person, I then made a scatterplot of the number of distinct kinds of restrictions a country has imposed versus the number of deaths per ten million in that country. Figure 2 shows the result:

Figure 2. Scatterplot, number of kinds of restrictions to try to prevent viral spread versus coronavirus deaths per ten thousand.
As you can see, the number of restrictions seems to have little to do with the number of deaths. For example, here’s what Switzerland has done. These are the different restrictions they’ve applied.
- Limit public gatherings
- Border checks
- Visa restrictions
- State of emergency declared
- Schools closure
- State of emergency declared
- Border checks
- Visa restrictions
- General recommendations
- Strengthening the public health system
- Awareness campaigns
- Testing policy
- Limit public gatherings
- Border closure
- Limit public gatherings
- Economic measures
- Limit public gatherings
- Partial lockdown
- Full lockdown
- Partial lockdown
- Economic measures
- Economic measures
- Limit product imports/exports
- Military deployment
- Limit public gatherings
- International flights suspension
- Limit public gatherings
- Strengthening the public health system
- Visa restrictions
- Economic measures
So the lack of visible effect is not from a lack of restrictions. Nor is the lack of visible effect because the restrictions haven’t been in place long enough. Switzerland imposed the first restrictions forty days ago, on the 21st of February. They closed the schools. On the 24th of February, the government declared an “extraordinary situation,” and banned all private and public events and ordered restaurants and bars to close. At that point, they had no coronavirus deaths. [UPDATE: A couple of people said that Switzerland’s restrictions had not been in place that long. Upon rechecking my sources, I find they were right and I was 100% wrong. However, my point remains—the different restrictions haven’t made any detectable difference to date, and the crunch is coming in one or two weeks for most countries. So any effect will be minimal, if not detectable, and meanwhile the economic and human cost is horrendous.]
They currently have 433 deaths from coronavirus. Forty days of sanctions with no effect.
Meanwhile, the Swiss have about the same number of deaths per ten million population as say Netherlands, and here’s all that the Dutch have done:
- Introduction of quarantine policies
- Limit public gatherings
- Schools closure
- Public services closure
- General recommendations
- Economic measures
- Emergency administrative structures activated or established
No lockdown, neither partial nor full. No limitations on import/export. No suspension of flights. No visa restrictions. No state of emergency. No border checks.
And despite that … they are on a par with the Swiss, despite all of the Swiss containment measures.
Or you could look at it another way. Germany, the US, Portugal, France, and Spain have all instituted the same number of restrictions … but their deaths go from low to high.
So it seems that my intuition was correct. Unless you are willing to impose a full-blown police and surveillance state, these measures do very little. The problem is that this bugger is so insidious. It has a long incubation period when it is infectious but asymptomatic. And it can live on surfaces for days. As a result, in terms of government restrictions, nothing but a major Korean-style full-court press, with surveillance and strict quarantine and a populace willing to follow restrictions to the letter, will cut down the number of cases.
And Americans simply won’t do that. In fact, it’s impossible to get Americans to just shelter in place. If you go out into the streets of the US, there are lots of people working, lots of people going from place to place, grocery stores full of people … control the virus?
I don’t think so.
But regarding controlling the virus, here’s another graph. It’s exactly the same as Figure 2, but it contains Japan as well.

Hmm … they’re in the danger zone, near to Korea and China, so what extreme health measures are they practicing? Here you go …
- Health screenings in airports and border crossings
- Visa restrictions
Whaaaa? That’s all the restrictions? … my only conclusion from that is simple.
WEAR A MASK.
The one virus health practice that distinguishes Japan from most of the world is that they all wear masks in public. Even the liberal US news media is noticing the effectiveness of masks—a CNN story is headlined “Face masks and coronavirus: Asia may have been right and the rest of the world is coming around” … seems the US specialists were wrong again. Go figure.
A mask cuts transmission down in two ways. First, it keeps you from touching your mouth or nose. This both protects you until you can wash your hands, and if you are infected it keeps you from spreading the virus onto hard surfaces to infect others.
Next, it keeps you from sneezing or coughing a billion virus particles into the air. It’s less effective at preventing you from inhaling such particles, although it helps with that as well. And it is that sneezing and coughing that is the major way that the virus is spread.
And overall, as Japan is showing us, wearing a mask cuts the transmission rate way down.
We’re starting to get there, but it may be too little too late. I see that the genius medical experts who recommended the ineffective drastic lockdown are now thinking about recommending that Americans wear masks. The headline in Politico says “Fauci: Mask-wearing recommendation under ‘very serious consideration’” … under consideration?? They’ve destroyed the American economy without looking back, but a simple recommendation to wear a mask in public requires “very serious consideration”?
Sigh …
We can see above that there’s very little upside to the American lockdown … so let’s look at the downside. First, the economic damage from the current insane “shelter-in-place” regulations designed to thwart the coronavirus is already huge—lost jobs, shuttered businesses, economic downturn, stock market losses. This doesn’t count the personal cost in things like increased suicides and domestic and other violence. The people who made the decision obviously were led by doctors, which was good, but they did not listen to economists or social scientists, which was lethal.
To partially compensate the populace for those stupendous economic losses, we’ve just thrown two TRILLION dollars in the general direction of the problem. That’s trillion with a “T”. Most people have no idea how much a trillion dollars is. Consider it this way.
Suppose you were an immortal who made so much money that you were able to spend a million dollars a day forever. In the first week, you buy 350 ventilators at $20,000 each and give them to the various states. The next day you buy 200,000 face masks at $5 a pop, epidemic prices. Then you decide to take a year and buy a field hospital every day, 365 of them at a million dollars each. That feels so good that you decide to set up full hospitals. They’re something like 1.5 million dollars per bed. So you can buy a 250-bed hospital per year. You spend the next two hundred years doing that, two hundred new hospitals, 50,000 new beds.
Now that’s only about a hundred years of spending a million bucks a day. Suppose further that you started spending one megabuck per day, that’s a full million dollars each and every day including weekends, back on January First way back in the Year One. And imagine that you spent a million dollars a day every day right up to the present, buying medical equipment, expanding medical schools, purchasing test kits, a million dollars a day from the year 1 right up to the year 2020.
Guess what …
…
… you still would have spent far less than a trillion dollars, only about three-quarters of a trillion. And to spend two trillion, you’d have to spend a million dollars a day for 5,500 years.
Can you imagine what our medical system would be like if we spent a million dollars a day on it for fifty-five-hundred years?
Instead, we’ve pissed the two trillion away on repairing the damage caused by the lockdown without getting the economy started again, plus wasting it on all the pork that got loaded onto the bill.

Consummate financial idiocy that only politicians could ever think was reasonable, logical, or practical. Mark Twain was right when he said “Suppose that you were a Member of Congress. And suppose further that you were an idiot. But I repeat myself.”
So … how about we all put on masks, keep washing our hands, give up our steamy midnight rendezvous (rendezvous?) with pangolins, increase testing particularly of our medical personnel, start testing for antibodies, and end this stupid lockdown? The pluted bloatocrats in Congress are already dreaming up a new appropriations bill to waste another trillion dollars or so that we cannot afford. Me, I say, let’s quit while we’re behind and get back to work.
Here on my forest hillside where the redwood trees scratch the sky, it’s my great fortune that my daughter, her husband, and my infant granddaughter have come to spend the lockdown in the woods … and both I and my gorgeous ex-fiancée are overjoyed that they are here. They’re working from home, and we’re retired, so all is well chez nous.

So stay well in these parlous times, dear friends. I see that Chloroquine has been approved in India for Covid-19 treatment. I had malaria four times, so I know that drug up close and personal. Plus I took it once a week for a year as malaria prophylaxis. And I used to take three weekly doses per day for three days in a row if I felt malaria coming on, and that would stop it in its tracks. So I’d take it again in a minute.
And I also saw that the advisor to the Italian Health Minister has said that only 12% of the Italian deaths were actually deaths FROM Covid-19, and the rest were deaths WITH Covid-19. So things may be looking up.
Regards to everyone,
w.
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Willis, IMO what we’re seeing is massive, almost global group-think combined w/appallingly-low competence of our goobermint “leaders” and their cohort of regulators, “experts” & advisors. These factors are far more contagious and dangerous than the virus. Culture has been rotting from within for many decades and now really showing up.
Comments here reminds me of an experience I had 45 years ago.
One of my first jobs as a nuclear engineer was the calibration of the plant radiation monitoring equipment. We had sources in little plastic chips like used in playing checkers. These came with their NBS traceable data on initial dose and disintegrations, and other data needed to determine the disintegrations expected for calibrating detection systems. I was responsible for writing the procedure that the technicians would use to calibrate the equipment. The Manufacture gave a laboratory type calibration procedure that was not practicable for the average technician to use. I used this as the bases for my procedure. Problem is that they use a plus/minus 10% for the expected count numbers for each of the three chips needed to assure the entire range was in tolerance. While verifying the procedure I wrote I discovered that after calibrating the device that if I came back a few days later the device was out of calibration. I had the meter calibrated again and again a few days later some of the readings were not in spec. I discovered that the problem was that disintegrations are random in nature and will also include the normal background radiation, which is important for low level meters. Luckily I found a book on Statistics of Detection Systems and a great explanation on the statistics involved which helped me write a procedure that worked and supported my change to the counting time and the calculation for the achieving 10% accuracy.
I provide this story in that contacting a virus, succumbing to that virus and even dying from tat virus are essentially the same as the random nature of a radiation source disintegration. Developing a curve of what to expect or predict what will happen should have as a minimum a 1 sigma tolerance. This tolerance should be shown on the chart. And that is only the case if you know everything about everything involved! Which we do not know and will not know when this is over.
Hi Willis, it wasn’t until after I started looking for an updated graph like your first graph did I realize that nobody else seems to be putting out a graph like yours that doesn’t mislead readers because it compares countries at the same point on its “deaths” curve, compares deaths (not cases), is logarithmic, and shows results as a percentage of population (not raw number of deaths). The closest I’ve found appears here (https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest) and is updated daily but shows raw number of deaths.
I assume you created your graph yourself from the raw data? If so, you would provide a tremendous service to update it periodically and publish it. I would follow it closely!
Or if anyone reading these comments knows of anyone updating such a graph that meets the 4 criteria above, please let me know by replying to this comment. Thanks!
“I assume you created your graph yourself from the raw data?”
Speaking of raw data, I was frustrated and surprised today while searching for the age breakdown of Quebec’s 64 COVID-19 fatalities. I was motivated by seeing a video this morning in which Quebec’s director of public health said, referring to the 25 additional death reported today:..”you have to understand that most of these people are older than 70 and mostly older than 80 or 90″.
I searched several different ways for Quebec covid-19 fatalities by age, and found nothing. Not only that, but none of the many other hits from other jurisdictions that appeared showed anything of the sort either. The only statistics offered were “risk” of death by age group as a percentage of “known” infected people in that group.
Does anyone know where one can find the breakdown of Quebec’s 64 covid-19 fatalities by age and sex?
As of 30 March, 25 people had died in Quebec from COVID-19. All of them were over the age of 60.
Most of the deceased lived in either private or public long-term care institutions.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/covid-19-quebec-march-30-1.5514502
Steve, you seem to be willing to roll your sleaves up, so why not make your own graphs. I think I suggested earlier the code example I used for my graphs. There is a second data column for fatalities so you will just need to change $2 to $3 somewhere. Getting the national populations should be trivial.
https://climategrog.wordpress.com/2019-ncov-log-growth-italy/
As previously, the so called “left”, esp. extreme left, is loving the idea of giving the keys of power from democratically elected representatives to Big Pharma shills!
During the H1N1 fake crisis, Mélenchon, the French Corbyn, said “vaccinate first, ask questions later”.
That’s because they have an authoritarian mindset where individual choice of what THEY inject into OUR bodies is not important.
Willis, I apologize for straying a bit off this specific topic, but I didn’t know where else to comment.
I’d be very skeptical of the modeling site you linked the latest post on your daily graph page at the top. (see https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections )
For example, compare projected deaths between New Jersey and Alabama. Does this make sense to you?
Dear Willis
Allow me to quote you: “You seem to think it is wrong. But that goes nowhere unless you tell us exactly what is wrong and where.”. Please find herewith a too detailed analysis of exactly what is wrong with the ACAP data.
Let’s check in detail what the ACAP database contains on the Netherlands and Switserland. I’ve done it line by line. Actually what is mentionned in the db is factually correct (apologies, I should have been more clear on that), and they do correctly mention their source. The problem is that a lot of information is lacking or misleading.
Social distancing
Both have schools and univerities closed, correct.
Both have bars and restaurants closed, correct.
Netherlands ” Limit the visitors at home to three visitors. Switserland: “maximum 5 person gatherings are allowed”.
Switserland: “Companies are obliged to enable work from home “. No mention of a similar measure for the Netherlands in the db. But: (https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/coronavirus-covid-19/veelgestelde-vragen-over-de-aanpak-van-het-nieuwe-coronavirus-in-nederland). “Only go outdoors if you need to for work if you can’t homework, for shopping, for exercise or for helping another.” The teleworking in the Netherlands is not mentionned in the db. Missing data.
Netherlands still has shops open ” shops are required to take measures to ensure that people keep a good distance “. A similar (more stringent) measure in Switserland is in a different categorie. Not an indication of a high quality database.
Netherlands: ” Businesses in contact-based industries will be closed”. No similar measure mentionned for Switserland, another flaw in the database.
Public health measure
The Swiss have “awareness campaigns” listed as a measure. As if there are none in the Netherlands. And it wouldn’t be necessary in any case, all newspapers are full of Corona news and guidelines.
Both have “general recommendations”.
The Swiss have a ” Strengthening the public health system” measure. Not mentionned for the Netherlands, as if they did nothing to prepare the public health system. A closer look clarifies things: Switserland: “private health institutions may be requested by cantonal authorities to accept patients; all health institutions are required to postpone non-urgent procedures; hospitals are required to communicate their capacities “. Let’s dig this down, because nothing at all is mentionned for the Netherlands. Switserland has private health institutions. The Dutch health system is essentially completely public. There is no need to force private hospitals to accept all patients. So no measure because it is simply not applicable. Dutch hospitals have been postponing non essential interventions too – it is even a policy of the public health authority (https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/ziekenhuizen-zeggen-massaal-geplande-operaties-en-afspraken-af-om-ongekend-aantal-coronapatienten~af2c550a/). The Dutch have a nationwide tracking of hospital capacity in place as well (https://nvz-ziekenhuizen.nl/nieuws/coordinatie-coronazorg-wordt-opgeschaald), even more, the government drives a plan to redistribute patients over the country to less loaded hospitals. So the ACAP database mentions in one line 3 different measures that are in place in Switserland. They are either not applicable or equally in place in the Netherlands but not mentionned in the db. So what is the value of the database?
ACAP on Testing Policy in Switserland: “Only those who are at high risk are being testing “. No testing policy mentionned for Netherlands. The website of the Dutch government body for health says “in pinciple only those people are tested who are seriously ill and need to be hospitalized” (https://www.rivm.nl/coronavirus/covid-19/vragen-antwoorden#test). The db is again incomplete here.
Movement restrictions
7 listed for Switserland, none for The Netherlands?? To start: Switserland is an independent island surrounded by EU states, borders are a bit more a concern for them.
“Border checks”. None for the Dutch? They are surrounded by countries that severely restrict movement of their citizens (Germany, Denmark, Belgium). They are basically forbidden to move far from home. No need for border checks by the Dutch. Border traffic in any case is neglectable compared with traffic within major cities.
ACAP mentions a measure International Flights Suspension: “Ban of all international passenger flights”. None for The Netherlands? Well, the measure for Switserland actually says “except for Zürich-Kloten, Genf-Cointrin und Basel-Mulhouse “. The Swiss only have one big international airport (Zurich) for which the ban does not apply… The Dutch have one big international airport (Schiphol) for which nothing is mentionned. What is the difference? See for yourself the departures in Zurich: https://www.zurich-airport.com/passengers-and-visitors/arrivals-and-departures/departures, is this a ban of all international flights??? You only saw the first part of the measure “ban on international flights”, not the second part “except…”.
Visa restrictions: Switserland: ” travelers from risk countries are banned from entering, Italy, Germany, France, Austria “. Nothing mentioned for the Netherlands. However (https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/coronavirus-covid-19/veelgestelde-vragen-per-onderwerp/reizen-van-en-naar-het-buitenland): “The Netherlands does not allow passengers from China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, Spain, Austria” Basically similar restriction. Another flaw in the database.
Conclusion: the db lists no movement restrictions for the Netherlands, and several for Switserland. But in reality the same apply for the Netherlands.
Lockdown
The big word. “lockdown”. The db mentions no lockdown measures in the Netherlands and a Partial Lockdown in Switserland. Switserland: “Reasons for leaving home are for groceries, health, help someone and work “. What is actually the case in the Netherlands:
– “Only go outdoors if you need to for work if you can’t homework, for shopping, for exercise or for helping another (https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/coronavirus-covid-19/veelgestelde-vragen-over-de-aanpak-van-het-nieuwe-coronavirus-in-nederland). The db refers often to the Dutch government, but they lack too many items from that same government, such as this one
– most shops are allowed to be open in the Netherlands, if customers are made to keep safe distance. In practice: a lot of major chains are closed (Ikea, Bijenkorf (similar to JCPenny)). Shopping streets nearly empty (https://m.limburger.nl/cnt/dmf20200318_00152513/winkels-korter-open-want-klanten-blijven-toch-weg-om-coronavirus). Shops are even reducing opening hours because of too few visitors. But indeed, on this point the Dutch have more relaxed measures than the Swiss.
– the Dutch prime minister calls the situation in the Netherlands an intelligent lockdown (google ‘Rutte intelligent lockdown’). In Switserland it is a partial lockdown. What’s in a name?
– to be complete: there is a full lockdown in one region in Switserland counting 350.00 people
Social and economic measures.
– It lists 3 economic measures for the Netherlands and 4 for Switserland. Mainly financial aid, none seem to have a direct significant impact on health, so will not discuss further
– The Swiss have a ban on export of medical goods. The Dutch not; but there is a EU ban, so equally applying to the Dutch, not listed though for the Netherlands – another example where this database is flawed.
The db just contains an incomplete and sometimes misleading list of measures. A correct way of working would be to define a number of important measures, to track in detail to what extend they are imposed, and to report where you may be incomplete.
Your statement on The Netherlands ” No lockdown, neither partial nor full. No limitations on import/export. No suspension of flights. No visa restrictions. No state of emergency. No border checks. ” is thus not correct because it is based on a flawed database.
That being said, based on what I read in European newspapers, The Netherlands are indeed a bit more relax on measures than most other countries, the shops are a good example, and they rely a bit more on guidelines than on strict rules. But, just as in most of Europe, government is very much behind the steering wheel for everything healthcare.
Now, assume I am completely wrong. The Netherlands would have much less lockdown in place than Switserland and it wouldn’t make a difference on number of deaths. For what it’s worth: Worldometer: Netherlands: 1651, Switserland: 641 deaths. The comparison should actually not be made since there are so many not understood variables, not in the least the way of counting deaths.
Furthemore, measures by themselves don’t tell everything neither. As important is how well they are being respected. They might be much more respected in authoritarian countries (China) or cultures with strong respect for rules (Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong…). There are way more variables, all together making it very difficult to come to accurate conclusions.
I rest my case, you make a claim here based on flawed data. That being said, let’s look back 6 weeks from now at how Sweden did, we’ll know if a lockdown works.
Thanks, Eddie, for all of your work.
My point remains. The different European countries have used very different types, styles, and amounts of lockdown measures … and despite that they’re all following very similar paths. And that includes Sweden, with what I believe are the most lax lockdown of all.
So yes, we’ll look back in 6 weeks … but sadly, by then, in the US thousands of businesses will be closed forever, hundreds of thousands will be out of work … and for what?
In 1968, the Hong Kong flu killed 100,000 in the US. If they’d had today’s population it would have been 150,000. And we did nothing in the way of lockdowns, no social distancing, no masks. And the result was no dead businesses, no stock market crash, no widespread unemployment.
That’s the part folks don’t seem to understand. We did the experiment in 1968 and it came out fine.
Grrrr …
w.
Taking zinc daily with the supplements (ionophores) as quercetin, EGCG, and CoQ10. These are on top of vitamin D, resveratrol, and pterostilbene. My immune system is ready for bear.
see Medcram update #35 for the mechanism then do the lengthy lookup on research for each.