Watch: Michael Shellenberger on how climate change alarmists see hope in coronavirus

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Mike
March 22, 2020 2:11 am

These people should do us all a favour and find the nearest cliff.

Dodgy Geezer
March 22, 2020 3:24 am

The UK authorities seem tyo be ignoring the front-runner treatment for Covid-19. Sign a petition here to get their NHS to even START looking at it…

https://www.change.org/p/uk-government-start-an-immediate-uk-trial-for-chloroquine-and-hydroxy-chloroquine-as-a-treatment-for-covid-19-coronavirus

Oldseadog
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
March 22, 2020 11:49 am

Signed

Klem
March 22, 2020 3:39 am

Seeing the shut down of the capitalist system is a dream come true for the climate Marxists. They are very happy.

I used to be one of them decades ago, I know exactly how they are feeling right now.

Government social control, reduced prosperity, people looking to government for help, calls for single payer health care and universal income programs. These are all reasons to rejoice.

However once this mass hysteria ends, capitalism will roar back like it always does.

Greg
Reply to  Klem
March 22, 2020 4:49 am

They will be less happy when they realise it is only their bit of western capitalism which gets hit. Russia and China will come out stronger and as western economy does a nose dive they will find all their liberal programs and benefits disappear and all our worries about being “green” evaporate in a 3rd like fight for survival.

I suspect that they are among those the least well equipped for a bit of Darwinian competition.

Nature doesn’t do “safe spaces”, snowflake are just left to melt away. Transgenders are a dying breed.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Klem
March 22, 2020 7:54 am

Socialism is good. You should have all of it that you can afford. Which brings us to the problem…..

Nik
March 22, 2020 3:41 am

Anti human Catastrophists would see benefits in the Black Death. Ignore them.

Desitter
Reply to  Nik
March 22, 2020 4:26 am

+1.000.000

Carl Friis-Hansen
March 22, 2020 3:48 am

Shellenberger says something in direction of “3° max from the start of the industrial revolution.”

A slight twist in the wording could be explanatory: “3° max from the end of the Little Ice Age.”

How you express yourself, may have huge impact on how the message is conceived.

Ron Long
March 22, 2020 3:49 am

Good posting Charles. The CAGW/carbon is pollution crowd is liking this Chinese Virus pandemic because, what? Humans don’t belong on the planet Earth? A mutated virus that kills all humans and leaves the animals to regain that old idea of “the balance of nature” is the correct solution? Can we send Greta to conduct a poll amongst the polar bears to see if they approve of this idea? Notice that Shellenberger mentions that fracking has contributed to the USA reducing carbon emissions 35%, and somehow this is not good news to the leftist loonies? I’m still in favor of CO2 levels at around 1,000 ppm, especially to guarantee plant survival during the next glacial cycle of the current Ice Age we live in.

The coronovirus update page of Willis continues to show two different trajectories, especially as Italy is now dominating the statistics. Mendoza, Argentina now has its first coronavirus case, a person who just returned from, wait for it, ITALY! It’s getting close to the correct time for flamethrower treatment!

Global Cooling
March 22, 2020 3:51 am

I expect that climate continues to change as it has done millions of years even though all human activity including the use of carbon-based fuels would stop due to a pandemic.

Keep on following global CO2 and temperatures. Do they have covariance with man-mad CO2 – do their changes match ?

Kurt in Switzerland
March 22, 2020 4:06 am

Ironic that formerly open borders are now closed, that cities advise citizens to shun public transport and that CO2 skeptics (those very same individuals shunned by the MSM) are among the first to point out the benefits of anti-malaria drugs like hydroxychloroquine…

Graemethecat
Reply to  Kurt in Switzerland
March 22, 2020 5:40 am

Funny too that Democrats are now blaming Trump for not shutting the borders sooner. A month or two back these imbeciles were proclaiming the need for open borders.

Scissor
Reply to  Graemethecat
March 22, 2020 8:35 am

The Chinese Communist Party said that they had no evidence of human to human transmission even into 2020 and blamed all cases on direct infection from the “wet market.”

Editor
Reply to  Scissor
March 22, 2020 1:16 pm

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/02/china-blames-united-states-coronavirus/
“Beijing Knows Who to Blame for the Virus: America”

navnek
Reply to  Graemethecat
March 22, 2020 8:00 pm

Consistency and principles are not Democrat strong points. But you knew that!

Jim Whelan
Reply to  Graemethecat
March 23, 2020 3:48 pm

And blaming Trump for shutting down borders unnecessarily.

Flight Level
March 22, 2020 4:16 am

Madam Figueres, please remember that your bandwagon “blue-chip client” status zip-me-here-and-there charters are on record. And that several related flight plans were sub-regional to the point where the crew didn’t even have the time to flip the belts sign switch.

Keep a low profile Madam Figueres, one day crews retire and…

Desitter
March 22, 2020 4:28 am

These lunatic-marxit-catastrophists are really as boring as dangerous.

greg
March 22, 2020 4:42 am

black rectangle, no vid. accessing from Europe.

Are there regional restrictions on that Foxy vid.

Reply to  greg
March 22, 2020 5:17 am

greg,
I’m in Europe and can see it.

Reply to  greg
March 22, 2020 5:36 am

No problem watching in The Netherlands

icisil
Reply to  greg
March 22, 2020 6:06 am

I think it’s a browser thing. I can’t watch it in the 2 I use

Bob Cherba
Reply to  icisil
March 22, 2020 7:51 am

Same here in Tucson AZ with Firefox. Usually don’t have have problems with videos.

beng135
Reply to  Bob Cherba
March 22, 2020 11:17 am

Same w/my Firefox 74.0 — black rectangle.

mikewaite
Reply to  beng135
March 22, 2020 12:48 pm

Try a couple of double clicks if you initially see the black rectangle. just a waiting for server delay I think.

March 22, 2020 4:58 am

Maybe the IPCC finally adopts teleconferencing.

March 22, 2020 6:30 am

Global warming (climate change) will continue through this economic depression because it is a natural process. Atmospheric CO2 concentrations will continue to rise even if emissions from burning fossil fuels are cut in half. So this global depression of the economy should prove that reducing anthropogenic emissions to zero will ruin the economy and have little or no effect on “climate change”. There would be millions of more deaths from a ruined economy than could possibly be caused by natural global warming .

Leitwolf
March 22, 2020 6:31 am

With the extensive shut down of air travel expect cleaner skies AND falling temperatures. This is the great experiment I was hoping for, though certainly not by the reason of a horrible pandemic.

Anyway, if things go as expected we should well see a confirmation that contrails, not CO2 cause AGW. And these people riding the “climate change” train might get more relief than they hoped for.

George Lawson
March 22, 2020 8:01 am

Common sense tells us that with the reduction in the use of petrol and diesel vehicles the amount of resultant pollution in the air will be reduced. What the environmentalist ignore is the fact that the reduced pollution will not have any beneficial effect on our health whatsoever. In spite of the increasing amount of petrol and diesel fumes being put into the atmosphere over the years the world’s population is currently the healthiest it has been since the beginning of civilisation. In other words, it just doesn’t matter.

Editor
Reply to  George Lawson
March 22, 2020 1:24 pm

A lot of cleaning up of vehicle exhausts has been done and was needed. Coal-fired power stations too. So it’s not automatic that it doesn’t matter, it has been engineered not to matter – much. I think there’s still a case for improving things where economically possible.

Ronald Stein
March 22, 2020 8:39 am

The world has changed with the inventions of the automobile, airplane, and the use of petroleum in the early 1900’s that led us into the Industrial Revolution, from societies that existed in primeval times, and the Dark Ages, without electricity, transportation systems, or the thousands of products made from the petroleum derivatives that come from a barrel of crude oil.

Today, we’re seeing a prelude to a world without fossil fuels, with less usage of transportation systems and less usage of the leisure and entertainment industries. We transformed the world that existed before 1900, to what societies lifestyle are demanding today, and are seeing a preview of the lifestyle changes society would need to implement to live in a world without fossil fuels

mikewaite
March 22, 2020 1:12 pm

One of the facts that appears in the current data as seen in the Worldometer statistics is the relatively low no of deaths/million pop in Germany compared to other West European countries such as UK , at prsent about 1 for Germany compared to 4 for UK .
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Some attribute this to the greater no of intensive care beds in Germany compared to the UK , about 200,000 compared to 4,000 in the UK .
Despite this advantage however the German Govt is being asked why, although the dangers of a SARS type pandemic were apparent 7 years ago, very little additional money was put into appropriate mitigating precautions compared to the many billions poured into renewables and green policies generally.
https://notrickszone.com/2020/03/22/2012-german-gov-was-warned-of-pandemic-yet-instead-poured-tens-of-billions-into-climate-protection/
The Greens and their financial backers and exploiters should feel some remorse at a situation in which , for example ,NHS staff in the UK are having to make protective garments out of bin liners , whilst landowners like the former PM’s father in law gloat over their £1000 / day from wind turbine leases. They won’t of course, a tidal wave of money washes away all sense of guilt or remorse.

Scissor
Reply to  mikewaite
March 22, 2020 1:34 pm

Someone here the other day said the Germans aren’t necessarily assigning deaths to COVID-19 when they should be.

Chris Hanley
March 22, 2020 1:21 pm

I wish seemingly intelligent people like Michael Shellenberger would politely point out to the media airheads that poor air quality over cities is not due to invisible odourless beneficial carbon dioxide.

Al Miller
March 22, 2020 9:27 pm

All human Haters MUST stop exhaling now and save us from their CO2 emissions.

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