EU, UK & Australia Funding Orwellian Personal Carbon Rationing Trials

Not much changes. Remains of Norfolk Island Jail, from when Norfolk Island was a Penal Colony. By Steve Daggar – Originally uploaded to Flickr as part of the Norfolk Island set, CC BY 3.0, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The EU, UK and Australia are funding experiments in “flexible” carbon rationing, in which people receive a set weekly carbon allowance, with a mobile app to deduct from their allowance.

Experiments in setting individuals a carbon allowance have been trialled from Finland to Australia, and some have proved popular. But can carbon rationing ever be fair?

By Frank Swain
18th February 2020

Once a day, Katja Suhonen opens her phone to check on her carbon footprint. Every journey she makes in her home city of Lahti, a city in the south of Finland, is studied by an experimental app called CitiCap and the carbon impact of her travel choices deducted from a weekly budget.

“I have mainly travelled around by bike, public transport and walking before even using CitiCap, so it hasn’t really changed my daily routine,” says Suhonen, an early adopter of the voluntary monitoring scheme. “However, now I try to avoid private car even more than before.” If she has any credits left by the end of the week, she can exchange them for gifts like coffee or a free bike tune-up in participating businesses. Her journeys are automatically tracked by the app, and she only needs to manually input details such as how many passengers she is with if she is travelling by car.

The CitiCap app is funded by the EU’s Urban Innovative Actions, which supports projects that test out “new and unproven solutions” to issues faced by cities. In Lahti, that means cutting the impact of residents’ travel around the city. While Finland has plans to be carbon neutral by 2035Lahti aims to get there a decade earlier. The city has already halved its carbon emissions since 1990 but to get to net zero will take a lot more work. Transport is set to be a key part of that.

On the other side of world, researchers at Australia’s Southern Cross University were planning their own experiment on Norfolk Island, a tiny Australian territory 1,500 kilometres from the mainland. With only one natural gas supplier, one power company, and a handful of petrol stations, it was the perfect self-contained place to study people’s fossil fuel use. In 2013, a quarter of the island’s 800 households were recruited to a carbon reduction scheme.

Back in the UK, Adam Hardy, campaign director of CarbonRationing.org, is trying to take this idea to the next level. Where the Lahti experiment focuses only on incentivising lower emissions, Hardy wants to see disincentives for individuals who over-emit. He envisions a nationwide “total carbon rationing” programme that goes all the way back to the energy supplier, to give a figure for the carbon emissions in the atmosphere as a result of any given product. This would require auditing the carbon footprint of the supply chain of everything sold in the UK, including imports.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200217-can-rationing-carbon-help-fight-climate-change

I feel especially sorry for Norfolk Island, the victims of Australia’s personal carbon allowance trial.

Anywhere else the trial subject could ahem accidentally erase the app when it gets too annoying, and pretty much get on with their normal life.

But Norfolk Island is powerless to refuse. After their economy was ruined by the GFC, to save themselves the islanders had to accept any terms Australia was willing to offer. In 2015 they agreed to give up self rule. I doubt it was made clear at the time to islanders that this agreement to give up self rule also included being treated as a social petri dish for the Australian Government’s dystopian personal carbon allowance experiments.

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fxk
February 18, 2020 10:10 am

All my commuting is via a clown car.
Do they tag you for excessive “carbon” emissions when exercising?

n.n
Reply to  fxk
February 18, 2020 12:00 pm

For your first wind, yes. However, your carbon emissions should be reduced with your second and third wind, and with proper maintenance. Planned regimes are key to sustainable, planet-friendly activities.

Curious George
Reply to  n.n
February 18, 2020 1:52 pm

Can’t you see that it is an attempt to re-introduce a head tax?

Fiona
Reply to  Curious George
February 19, 2020 8:30 am

Another religion – the cop in your head?

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Curious George
February 19, 2020 9:34 am
Goldrider
Reply to  n.n
February 19, 2020 7:26 am

If anyone’s still in doubt that this (and G’ment-controlled health services) are the back doors to 100% life-control totalitarianism, this article should erase that illusion.

When they show you who they are, believe them!

Charles Higley
Reply to  fxk
February 18, 2020 8:06 pm

When I was a little kid, my parents were concerned about my sisters and I watching too much “boob tube.” They taped a box on the side of the TV and gave us a set number of poker chips, the old clay ones, blue for an hour and red for a half hour. We were rationed.

The above are trying to get people used to the idea that they need to be rationed and travel is scarce rather than what one can afford. This is a manipulation of society, a psychological subterfuge, because CO2 cannot and does not warm the Earth or the climate in any way. It’s simply impossible. Any policy or effort or claim that we need to decrease CO2 emissions is automatically a lie and an attempt to grab power, money, or control.

Betty Luks
Reply to  Charles Higley
February 18, 2020 10:31 pm

Warmists Put Norfolk Island On Ration
It was ten years ago that Australian journalist Andrew Bolt warned his readers about ‘carbon rationing’ on Norfolk Island.
Posted on Mon 11/01/2010 By Andrew Bolt

But an engineer named Clifford Douglas saw much further than Andrew Bolt. Douglas was writing of the misuse of words and the importance of understanding the intended meaning and their lead up to political objectives. My apologies for the length of the comment.

In an article titled “Production and Distribution”, C.H. Douglas wrote:
Much confusion has been introduced into the analysis of the industrial and economic system by the use of the word “production.”

Consideration of the elementary principles of the conservation of energy and matter is sufficient to indicate that there is no process involved which can justifiably be called production, but that we have to deal with a metabolic system which involves taking matter and energy in the forms in which they are provided to us by nature, and transforming them into other forms in which they are more useful to the special purposes and aims of man; a statement of the case which does not differ very materially from the definition of engineering contained in the Charter of the Institution of Civil Engineers.

Left to themselves these “products” resort to formless states approximating to the “raw materials” out of which they are fashioned.
All changes of form are energy processes, and from this fact it is clear that any fundamental change in the energy content of the economic process may be expected to exert a profoundly modifying influence upon the relation of the system to other human interests.

It is probable that it is the change in the energy content of our modern economic system which at bottom is responsible, more than anything else, for the readjustments with which we are faced in the world today.

This is not, of course, to suggest that the increased energy content of the economic system is in itself a disadvantage. On the contrary, it is the direct, and probably the only method by which the limitations imposed upon mankind by nature, as apart from those imposed upon him by local restrictions, can be removed.

Man is primarily a heat engine, requiring per day in the case of the adult about 4,000 calories contained in complex fuel. Simply regarded as a prime mover, he is probably capable of exerting about 1/12th to 1/15th of one horsepower for the equivalent of about six hours out of the twenty-four.
On the rough estimate of 150 million horsepower available in Great Britain, the modern production system, so far as energy content is concerned, has a potential output (on the basis of a forty million population, of whom, say, fifteen millions are employable) of at least four hundred times that of the population unaided by mechanical power…”

Beginning to see further why the Carbon Change and Emissions are being pushed against all evidence? The consumption of food, etc., is rationed/controlled through the money-price mechanism (as Douglas points out in “The Control and Distribution of Production” 1929).

Is the long-term objective to ‘ration’ our food (energy)? A people kept on ‘short rations’ is a people lacking energy to revolt against their slave masters and therefore easier to control. After all, history is continuous – not episodic!

Betty Luks
Reply to  Charles Higley
February 18, 2020 10:36 pm

Warmists Put Norfolk Island On Ration
It was ten years ago that Australian journalist Andrew Bolt warned his readers about ‘carbon rationing’ on Norfolk Island.
Posted on Mon 11/01/2010 By Andrew Bolt

But an engineer named Clifford Douglas saw much further than Andrew Bolt. Douglas was writing of the misuse of words and the importance of understanding the intended meaning and their lead up to political objectives. My apologies for the length of the comment.

In an article titled “Production and Distribution”, C.H. Douglas wrote:
Much confusion has been introduced into the analysis of the industrial and economic system by the use of the word “production.”

Consideration of the elementary principles of the conservation of energy and matter is sufficient to indicate that there is no process involved which can justifiably be called production, but that we have to deal with a metabolic system which involves taking matter and energy in the forms in which they are provided to us by nature, and transforming them into other forms in which they are more useful to the special purposes and aims of man; a statement of the case which does not differ very materially from the definition of engineering contained in the Charter of the Institution of Civil Engineers.

Left to themselves these “products” resort to formless states approximating to the “raw materials” out of which they are fashioned.
All changes of form are energy processes, and from this fact it is clear that any fundamental change in the energy content of the economic process may be expected to exert a profoundly modifying influence upon the relation of the system to other human interests.

It is probable that it is the change in the energy content of our modern economic system which at bottom is responsible, more than anything else, for the readjustments with which we are faced in the world today.

This is not, of course, to suggest that the increased energy content of the economic system is in itself a disadvantage. On the contrary, it is the direct, and probably the only method by which the limitations imposed upon mankind by nature, as apart from those imposed upon him by local restrictions, can be removed.

Man is primarily a heat engine, requiring per day in the case of the adult about 4,000 calories contained in complex fuel. Simply regarded as a prime mover, he is probably capable of exerting about 1/12th to 1/15th of one horsepower for the equivalent of about six hours out of the twenty-four.
On the rough estimate of 150 million horsepower available in Great Britain, the modern production system, so far as energy content is concerned, has a potential output (on the basis of a forty million population, of whom, say, fifteen millions are employable) of at least four hundred times that of the population unaided by mechanical power…”

Beginning to see further why the Climate Change and Carbon Emissions are being pushed against all evidence? The consumption of food, etc., is rationed/controlled through the money-price mechanism (as Douglas points out in “The Control and Distribution of Production” 1929).

Is the long-term objective to ‘ration’ our food (energy)? A people kept on ‘short rations’ is a people lacking energy to revolt against their slave masters and therefore easier to control. After all, history is continuous – not episodic!

Earthling2
February 18, 2020 10:13 am

Limiting ‘carbon’ usage is a slippery slope, especially if it isn’t voluntary and enforced. The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia’s Killing Fields had oxygen as their favourite restricted commodity. If you wore glasses, were educated or even thought of as some sort of threat to their regime, then a simple plastic bag was placed over your head for a few minutes, depriving one of life enabling oxygen. This ‘carbon’ limiting crap isn’t that much different, just not quite a direct loss of life…yet. But it is sort of a Khmer Rouge ‘lite’ solution to a non problem.

Bryan A
February 18, 2020 10:16 am

Gee, I have 20 people in my car (1962 Corvair) as I commute. Guess my footprint is only 1/20th

February 18, 2020 10:20 am

I can promise you this: The rich like Bloomberg, the Rockefeller bros., and all their rich elite snob pals will whole-heartedly support this kind of carbon rationing thing on the middle class and the poor.

Simply because they know they’ll be able to afford to buy hyper expensive carbon indulgences in this Climate Religion scamfrom the climate political-religious authorities. Thus they’ll be able to maintain their private jets, and mega-yachts and mega-mansions life styles. They’ll be living large, unaffected by the climate scam, but now with the nice beaches not be covered by holiday traveler riff-raff, and same for the wide-open ski slopes at San Moritz, Davos, or Aspen.

MikeP
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 18, 2020 10:28 am

Actually I think the rich like Bloomberg and the Rockefellers will get even richer by selling carbon indulgences …

Michael Ronayne
Reply to  MikeP
February 18, 2020 11:01 am

What do you think is driving Tesla sales? Sin can be very lucrative and the supply of fools is almost without limit.

Vuk
Reply to  MikeP
February 18, 2020 11:20 am

Jeff Bezos, the Amazon chief executive pledges $10bn to fight climate change.
‘Alexa fighting climate change’ available on amazon prime now !

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Vuk
February 18, 2020 1:05 pm

Imagine the good that could be done with $10B if applied to a worthy cause.

oeman50
Reply to  Vuk
February 18, 2020 1:56 pm

You almost have it, Vuk. Just say, “Alexa, fight climate change,” and watch the action begin!

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Vuk
March 1, 2020 11:29 pm

oeman,

Alexa stops talking.

Command “Alexa, fight climate change,”

produces a silent – https://www.google.com/search?q=Alexa%2C+fight+climate+change&client=

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 18, 2020 10:30 am

Hi Joel, More than just being able to afford the carbon indulgences that you and I can ill-afford, these vultures you’ve listed will be running the carbon indulgence market that we’ll all be compelled to ‘trade’ in, so as the middle men they’ll be skimming off a handsome income from the pointless ‘trade’ in CO2 allowances. Talk about of money for jam. More accurately, copious money for thin air.
No wonder investment bankers are suddenly concerned about ‘saving the planet’.

Reply to  Erny72
February 18, 2020 11:08 am

There is no free lunch. These trading schemes (arbitrage) will create nothing of value. They will only drive up the costs to end consumer, that is you and me. Just like buying and selling stocks and mutual funds comes with a commission to ultimately make the trade more costly.

The ultimate goal of the climate scam is to fleece the vast middle class of the Western democracies with exorbitant energy costs, funneling the proceeds to elitists and underfunded public union retuirement funds run by Democrats and their Marxist-run union accomplices . They will reduce the middle class to near-serfdom by effectively imposing very high energy taxes/costs that no democratically-elected politician could do without getting thrown out by the voters.
The people, scared with the climate boogeyman, allow an impoverishing punishment on ourselves if we let these scammers win.

The whole climate propaganda scam is giant attempt at “gas-lighting” the public into believing something thar isn’t true, that is that climate change will be apocalyptic, and thus surrender your liberties and your money to avert it. We know this is hogwash. We just need to keep informing others to stop the gas-lighting. Things like Dr Spencer’s presentation to investors in LA was certainly something the Climate Slimers-Hustlers will endeavor to punish Dr Spencer for that, I have no doubt they will come professionally for Dr Spencer’s career and reputation, just as they have Dr. Pilke Jr, and Dr Judith Curry.

The GreenSlime Climate Change hustlers and their propagandists are no different than the voodoo witch-doctor telling ignorant villagers to part with their best foods and virgins so he can sacrifice them to appease a volcano god. Of course, we know what the witch doctor really has in mind with those foods and virgins that will happen in his tent. And today’s rich elites have too much money at stake to let this climate scam slip through their money grubbing fingers.

Latitude
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 18, 2020 11:07 am

..and some guy in China just bought a new Bentley

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Latitude
February 19, 2020 2:39 am

Assembled in the UK from parts imported from Germany now less (Apart from the leather and hand paintwork I am told, that’s all British).

Joel Snider
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 18, 2020 12:34 pm

Bloomberg – now THERE’s a dictator in waiting.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Joel Snider
February 18, 2020 1:00 pm

Michael Bloomberg interviewed by Margaret Hoover said China was reducing GHG emissions by moving coal-fired generators away from cities (7:55):
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/firing-line/video/michael-bloomberg-jw87c2/

J Mac
February 18, 2020 10:22 am

RE: “….and she only needs to manually input details such as how many passengers she is with if she is traveling by car.”

Manual Input: “Traveling with 8 passengers (wink wink, nudge nudge!) on my bicycle.”
Send new bicycle tires please…. and free lattes for 9!

Robertvd
Reply to  J Mac
February 18, 2020 4:41 pm

“Every journey she makes in her home city of Lahti, a city in the south of Finland, is studied”

The location of every mobile phone is recorded 24/7. They don’t need no chip implants. It seems people just love to be slaves to have free stuff.

5G and no cash will make it even more effective.

1984

Michael
Reply to  J Mac
February 18, 2020 5:31 pm

Bit of GPS spoofing makes this all quite redundant. Simply show that you never took the trip. More complex than this of course, but you get the gist.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Michael
February 19, 2020 3:41 am

yeh but the young luvvies just cant leave their damned phones home;-)

Gerry, England
Reply to  Michael
February 19, 2020 6:07 am

The GPS signal is actually quite weak and can fairly easily be blocked. They thought that spoofing of GPS was extremely difficult until a conference on the GPS showed that it actually wasn’t.

There might a market for a lead pocket to keep your mobile phone in while moving around. And yes, you could just turn it off.

Tonyb
Editor
February 18, 2020 10:23 am

Here is the uk site for carbon ratioing.org

https://carbonrationing.org/

Eric

I know of no one here who is using the app and certainly there is no question of any funding, other than by fellow green idiots of the type typified by Adam hardy.

This is not any sort of official, wide spread or well funded scheme and bearing in mind the public have refused Even id cards it is difficult to see this intrusive idea getting anywhere except in the realms of the north London readership of the Guardian.

Tonyb

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Tonyb
February 19, 2020 12:10 am

Dear Tonyb, please don’t make the mistake in thinking such a scheme will be free & voluntary, oh no, quite the opposite, it will be dictated & imposed, with the backing of the full might of the “law”, you know, the “law”, the chief means by which the rich & powerful oppress the poor & powerless! (Hat tip to Prof John Brignall!)

It has only just begun, you ain’t seen nothing yet! (Apologies to music lovers everywhere!)

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Tonyb
February 19, 2020 2:42 am

So they have a website? How much power is consumed running it and all the networks it is available from?

John Robertson
February 18, 2020 10:25 am

The new social compact.
“They lie to us,we lie to them”.
When considering how controlling bureaucratic help will be, there is no lower limit.
For the “good of the people” of course.

Bryan A
February 18, 2020 10:25 am

Fortunately for Lahti, you can walk from one side to the other in 2 hours.
Even Norfolk Island is only 5.5 miles across. They really wouldn’t even need cars there.
Try proving the concept in WA or SA instead

leowaj
Reply to  Bryan A
February 18, 2020 2:51 pm

Yeah, would love to see this experiment in rural America.

ResourceGuy
February 18, 2020 10:30 am

I hope the CCP is watching for new ideas in running the internment camps. But I don’t think they need a lot of excuses in sentencing at this point.

B d Clark
February 18, 2020 10:30 am

This is one reason why they want to ban woodburners, extremely difficult to control, smart meters will show how much electric you use, gas meters ect, not so easy for burning wood.

Bob Rogers
Reply to  B d Clark
February 18, 2020 11:20 am

Burning wood is perhaps the only carbon neutral (over the long run) method of heating.

B d Clark
Reply to  Bob Rogers
February 18, 2020 11:40 am

Agreed, but they cant tax the wood to many sources ,they banned in the UK the right to have a fire wood licence of the forestry commission some 10 years ago, the energy tax has been a long time in the making , every twist and turn has been well thought out, to drive us to a electric comsumers only,

Another Doug
Reply to  Bob Rogers
February 18, 2020 11:53 am

Burning coal is carbon neutral over the (very) long run. Even more so than wood, because you don’t have to kill a tree first.

Reply to  Bob Rogers
February 18, 2020 12:32 pm

Here in Mass. the enviros are trying to end wood burning. They say it is not carbon neutral based on some twisted logic. Those of us in the “forestry community” have been battling them for years. Now they’re pushing a state law to end forestry on the state’s several hundred thousand acres of forests. Some of these nut jobs recently tied themselves to logging machinery on a state forest where a logger was beginning his work. They got arrested but only got a slap on the wrist.

Michael Ronayne
February 18, 2020 10:47 am

The day is quickly approaching when our self anointed masters decide,that the best way for us to eliminate the carbon footprint of our breath is to stop breathing!

Once it is decreed that our breath is an occasion for sin, it is very easy to justify the termination of anyone.

Ian W
Reply to  Michael Ronayne
February 18, 2020 11:12 am

Not enough lampposts

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Ian W
February 19, 2020 10:03 am

Plenty of rope, though…..

Roger welsh
February 18, 2020 10:49 am

To all those wonderful folk who send in factual posrs who are constantly showing the global warming/ carbon footprints/ greenery etc as a giant con,scam and d structive,
There is a medium called “utube”‘

It will reach people round the globe.

Use your expertise to describe the non-scare events and list the facts and post it. Publish that it is there and arouse people’s knowledge to make them resistant and antagonistic toward the abuse they are getting from this scam.

We need to communicate, not once, but constantly until the greedy bent or anything you like find themselves in a defensive situation. This includes ALL the media.

Reply to  Roger welsh
February 18, 2020 12:34 pm

Such as the videos of Tony Heller: https://www.youtube.com/user/TonyHeller1/videos. His audience is growing rapidly.

Ron Long
February 18, 2020 11:02 am

Jeez, Eric, what a horror story! A lot of my golf clubs have graphite, which is carbon writ large. From reading the above comments it looks like I may have to lie a little, but I’m a gold exploration geologist so I have experience in being inventive.

markl
February 18, 2020 11:02 am

The Force is strong with “carbon”. Those behind the alarmists along with their useful idiots have unlimited media to push their narrative and the message is getting more and more shrill and ubiquitous. At the same time CC is last on the list of the people’s radar for things to worry about. Civilization clash coming soon.

February 18, 2020 11:07 am

“Carbon Rationing”–just another ploy by control freaks to extned their authority.
Completely nonsensical as “Carbon” or carbon dioxide has nothing to do with actual climate change.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Bob Hoye
February 19, 2020 5:06 am

If CO2 is more dangerous than beneficial, any meaningful carbon (dioxide) rationing cannot occur w/o rationing supply chains powered by coal and other fossil fuels. You must report purchases of goods made in China, India, and other fossil-fuel-powered economies otherwise rationing is meaningless (. . . or “more” meaningless).

Bob Rogers
February 18, 2020 11:24 am

I’m not worried that there will be carbon rationing any time soon in the USA, but I wonder if the rationers would give exemptions for work related travel. If not, then my business would cease to exist, because it’s based on travel. If so, then I could probably figure out how to make nearly all of my travel business related.

fretslider
February 18, 2020 11:24 am

Somehow I think being out of the EU won’t save us

Boris’ true colour appears to be green

February 18, 2020 11:26 am

Delete the app – let the watermelons submit to this unnecessary rationing.

Nik
February 18, 2020 11:32 am

So, they propose to ration something of which there is a surplus.

n.n
Reply to  Nik
February 18, 2020 12:07 pm

The anti-market is a single/central, monopoly, and monopolistic economic system, which is efficient, effective in its own right, for its own purposes. However, we need to know the fitness function, which is hidden under a veil of privacy, and diverse layers of obfuscation.

John the Econ
February 18, 2020 11:49 am

For over 2 decades now I’ve been arguing that the real point of the CO2 agenda was to control behavior that Progressives did not approve of. From the moment you are conceived until long after you are dead, there is absolutely no aspect of your life that does not involve emitting CO2 in some way. Once citizens permit the state to regulate CO2, there will be absolutely no aspect of your life that will be free from micromanagement from the state.

n.n
Reply to  John the Econ
February 18, 2020 12:13 pm

A belief (e.g. conflation of logical domains), a faith (“trust”), a religion (i.e. behavioral protocol), an ideology, and mortal gods, goddesses, and their acolytes, which are notably selective, opportunistic, and politically congruent… so very pro-choice. Wicked.

MarkW
Reply to  John the Econ
February 18, 2020 7:39 pm

Not just behavior that progressives don’t approve of, but people that progressives don’t approve of.

Ian Random
February 18, 2020 12:13 pm

Reminds me of the series This is not My Life and the guy needing carbon credits to drive his car.

Fanakapan
February 18, 2020 12:21 pm

Arffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff !

Imagine, an ‘App’ that might show up the Save Gaia idiots for their spendthrift use of the ‘Resources’ they want everybody else to do without. Yeah I can see that’s going to be a Yuuuuuuge success, Not 🙂

Kramer
February 18, 2020 12:22 pm

Ha, the “e” version of the carbon card!

Joel Snider
February 18, 2020 12:24 pm

Oregon’s fighting Cap and Trade legislation as we speak – the state-indoctrinated and state-funded activists they call high-school students are campaigning on behalf of the teachers and state employees whose PERS benefits have bankrupted the state and is the primary reason for this money grab. Governor Kate Brown is bribing resisting local legislators.

This could very well personally destroy my livelihood. I sent Ms. Brown a personal message, hoping the Devil gives her the personal attention she deserves when she gets to hell.

Right now, I’m so *%##$%!! angry I can’t see straight.

Chris Hanley
February 18, 2020 1:21 pm

There is the hope that given enough rope the activists will ‘h@ng themselves’ and the general public will wake up to their true agenda, however they employ a Fabian tactic (after Fabius Maximus Verrucosus) of hit and run or a ratchet effect, mission creep, by gradually and successfully so far, edging the Overton window from acceptable -> radical -> unthinkable.

February 18, 2020 1:41 pm

Tesla sales, Carbon flight offsets, rooftops solar units, etc, are all the modern equivalents of the Mediaeval Papal Indulgences which made the Catholic Church a rich and powerful organisation in control of society. Nothing changes. Conscience + ‘Sin’ are converting fools gold into real gold.

Neville
February 18, 2020 1:52 pm

BTW another interesting point about Dr Hansen’s 2015 Paris COP 21 fra-d + con trick is the fact that global co2 levels have increased by 10 ppm from Jan 2016 to DEC 2019. ( see Dr Hansen’s BS and fra-d Guardian interview)
That’s 9 times MORE than Australia’s total of 1.1% of global emissions in just 4 years. Look up CSIRO Cape Grim and Mauna Loa Hawaii co2 data.
Anyone NOT see a BIGGGG problem with their sums?
Since 1989 co2 levels have increased by 60 ppm, yet in another 30 years the increase could be another 75 ppm higher, if the previous four year trend was replicated. Will they ever wake up?

mark Thomas
February 18, 2020 2:00 pm

Fifteen years ago I joked w a friend creating a business (oh I am sure probably exists today) “I am Carbon Neutral” where people calculate their lives carbon footprint, and then, through our website, offset by buying our carbon credits which invested into green CO2 removing action like tree planting and carbon sequestration.

You get a certificate and stickers for your car, which of course you needed to off set because they are adding to your carbon footprint. Idea had multiple tiers,

Tier 1. Personal physical contribution like breathing, off gasses, eating meat etc, a clause of course for people who eat lots of beans, u pay more!! Even includes breakdown of your body when you move on from this mortal coil.
Tier 2. Ya kids and pets…. “oh my dog is carbon neutral, what about yours….” “I decided to have more than one child because I could make them carbon neutral…”
Tier 3. Home and work (very expensive…. )
Tier 4, (my fav) Your ancestors for being alive and contributing. (put a nice certificate next to your grandparents wedding photo)

The more tiers, closer to Gia, and the subsequent showering in universal gifts of success and money because you are saving the planet more than everyone else, (its faith right)

In the end my conscious over rode my idea, I stuck to honest labour.

Earth doesn’t need saving, needs to be loved.

Mike
February 18, 2020 4:12 pm

Governments around rhe world are digging themselves into a bl**dy great hole and the average member of society will be only too happy to fill in the hole with the government still in the bottom and plant the remains of the SJW’s as a memorial on the graveside.

Bob in Castlemaine
February 18, 2020 5:51 pm

A great great grandfather of mine was a guest for a while on Norfolk Island during the mid 19th century. He may have passed through that very gate pictured above.
Our one world “progressive” rulers seem increasingly desperate to send us all back to that brutal “carbon” free world of the 19th century.

BoyfromTottenham
February 18, 2020 6:48 pm

Of course the ‘carbon’ they are referring to is actually carbon dioxide, an invisible trace gas that is essential for life on earth. In this context, what does ‘carbon dioxide neutral ‘ mean? Who knows, I certainly don’t.

Lewis P Buckingham
February 18, 2020 7:11 pm

Norfolk Island is only reached by air for most people. There is no secure harbour.
As such their carbon footprint must be huge.

Quilter52
February 18, 2020 8:02 pm

I did not realise our idiot Australian government was trialling this and I wont be cooperating. However, I will happily sign a petition that requires all current and former politicians to undertake the trial and to not allow the purchasing of any carbon credits so that it is a real world test of what this will do to us poeasants.
Our former chief idiot, Malcolm Turnbull in particular must be required to take part. He is the biggest hypocrite of the lot.

Also it should be compulsory for all Extinction Rebellion members and would of course include the CO2 produced by their breathing and in the production of the glue they use to fasten themselves to the road and the mattresses they lie on. Preferably also the emission of the truck carrying the cold water that should be used to wash them off the streets into the gutters where they belong.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Quilter52
February 19, 2020 4:22 am

So will the LNP be blamed? Or will this have happened anyway after the predicted ALP landslide “victory” in May 2019 that failed? Hummmm…

Patrick MJD
February 19, 2020 1:51 am

It is predicted that the first multi trillionaire will arrive in 2050. My bet is that person will be someone involved in something like this.

ozspeaksup
February 19, 2020 3:54 am

theres an app for that..
words that have me laughing at the idiots promoting and using them
apps wether free(never) or paid (even dumber) are NOT your helpers but helping someone else help themselves to your privacy wealth and making you a target
paywave etc and the cashless idea are not free theres charges hidden
and when /if they manage to get a big enough user base those fees will become larger and unavoidable
giving your every purchase travel and lifestyle atterns to bigbiz to use and manipulate is downright stupid
but theyoung especialy do so happily
and too many of them are “helping” granma n pa by installing the same crap on their phones n pcs.
and then when they get ripped off? well thats the oldies fault for not being savvy enough to know a scam from a safe site.
hmm?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  ozspeaksup
February 19, 2020 4:19 am

Analytics! That’s “Big Brother” by another name. How many people you see now using their “smart” phone or “smart” watch to tap on for a bus/train ride? I will stick with my Opal card thank you, at least it isn’t GPS enabled! Oh, that’s right! It’s why “Govn’t” wants you to use “smart” GPS enabled devices.

Track my Co-ords from my grave.

Steve Z
February 20, 2020 1:14 pm

The EU itself could become a guinea pig for carbon (dioxide) neutrality, if Russia decides it no longer wants to sell natural gas to the EU. When the Europeans start shivering, they will either (1) beg Russia to sell them gas, in return for some land in Eastern Europe, or (2) ask the USA to ship them surplus LNG. Either way, European concern about global warming will go out the window PDQ.

Johann Wundersamer
March 1, 2020 10:56 pm

“I have mainly travelled around by bike, public transport and walking before even using CitiCap, so it hasn’t really changed my daily routine,” says Suhonen, an early adopter of the voluntary monitoring scheme. “However, now I try to avoid private car even more than before.”

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No problem with “mileage scare” –

https://www.google.com/search?q=mileage+scare&oq=mileage+scare+&aqs=chrome.

– next escalation “private car avoidance” –

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-huawei&sxsrf=ALeKk00vnqTFEExgpBVlkJJDRK1uxPFpsA%3A1583131918587&ei=Dq1cXpq4I8SvrgS93raYDQ&q=private+car+driving+scare&oq=private+car+driving+scare&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.

Johann Wundersamer
March 1, 2020 11:12 pm

Back in the UK, Adam Hardy, campaign director of CarbonRationing.org, is trying to take this idea to the next level.

Where the Lahti experiment focuses only on incentivising lower emissions, Hardy wants to see disincentives for individuals who over-emit. He envisions a nationwide “total carbon rationing” programme that goes all the way back to the energy supplier, to give a figure for the carbon emissions in the atmosphere as a result of any given product

– next escalation step “Green Climate Fund burnout syndrome” – GCFBS.

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-huawei&sxsrf=ALeKk00TZQXF3i9ZaETYHLkyQS7UJthPng%3A1583132339899&ei=s65cXsa8NrGorgSptYWQCw&q=gcf+climate&oq=GFC+clim&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.