Reposted from the Fabius Maximus website,
By Larry Kummer, Editor / 4 Comments / 12 January 2020
Summary: A few days ago I asked about scenarios plausible but radical and unexpected (not the usual ones about tech changes or disasters). I described a few. Here’s another. Leftists believe we are killing the world. Might some act on their beliefs and kill billions to save the Earth? Here are two films about such eco-warriors. Also, see the bipartisan note at the end.
Every year universities produce another horde of young men and women convinced that humanity is destroying the world – and that the end will come soon. Journalists repeat the message because it is good for business (the Crisis Crisis). A legion of organizations broadcast such messages because it is good for business (good news raises no funds). This has become the mantra of the Democratic Party (a frightened people are easily led).
These are educated people. Many are affluent. Some are rich. What if some decide to act on their beliefs – and take drastic action to save the world? Hollywood has shown us how this might happen. They show the killers as the bad guys, but their portrayal shows some agreement by Team Hollywood with their goals. Here are chilling quotes from two recent films.
Kingsman: The Secret Service
(2014).
“We are past the point of no return, no matter what remedial actions we take.”
“When you get a virus, you get a fever. That’s the human body raising its core temperature to kill the virus. Planet Earth works the same way. Global warming is the fever, mankind is the virus. We’re making our planet sick. A cull is our only hope. If we don’t reduce our population ourselves, there’s only one of two ways this can go: the host kills the virus, or the virus kills the host. Either way the result is the same: the virus dies.”
“Well if we don’t do something, nature will. Sometimes, a culling is the only way to ensure that the species survives. And history will see Valentine as the man who saved humanity from extinction.”
“Humankind is the only virus cursed to live with the horrifying knowledge of its host’s fragile mortality.”
“Mankind is the virus, and I’m the cure.”
“Today is a day of celebration. We must put aside all thoughts of death, and focus on birth. The birth of a new age. We mustn’t mourn the ones who give their lives today. We should honor their sacrifice, and their role in saving the human race. We must put aside doubts and guilt. You are the chosen people. When folks tell their kids the story about Noah’s Ark, is Noah the bad guy.”
Spoiler: the film shows widespread killing across the world. Tens of millions die, perhaps more. There is no mention or mourning at the end of the dead and injured. The meglomanic eco-killer has a partial success from his plan.
See my review: “Kingsman” is a fun warning about our elites.
Godzilla: King of the Monsters
(2019).
“The mass extinction we feared has already begun. And we are the cause. We are the infection. But like all living organisms, the earth unleashed a fever to fight this infection. Its original and rightful rulers, the Titans. They are part of the earth’s natural defense system. A way to protect the planet, to main its balance. But if governments are allowed to contain them, destroy them, or use them for war, the human infection will only continue to spread. And with our lifetime, our planet will perish, and so will we. Unless we restore balance.”
“Just like a how forest fire replenishes the soil or how a volcano creates new land, we have seen signs that these creatures will do the same. San Francisco, Las Vegas, wherever the Titans go, life follows, triggered by their radiation. They are the only thing that can reverse the destruction that we started. They are the only guarantee that life will carry on. But for that to happen, we must set them free.”
*** The film shows the monsters leveling those cities.
Spoiler: the monsters ravage the world, killing tens of millions and leveling cities. Nobody minds. At the end we learn that this was a good thing and that the world is better off. Yea!
See my review: Godzilla (2019) – the King of modern monster films.
About disaster porn
Stories exhulting in megadeaths are popular on both Left and Right. Jerry Pournelle is a best-selling conservative author. Two of his science fiction stories approvingly describe mass executions as a solution to economic and political problems. See them here, with some chilling quotes.
There’s also a thriving redemptive literature, often describing a wonderful post-apocalyptic world where the virtuous (or chastised and now wise) remnant rebuild. Even Christians indulge in these fantasies of worldly ends and beginnings. These are modeled after the story of Noah, the first and grandest in the genre. For example, see Larry Burkett’s books. Most describe economic collapses, but especially note Solar Flare
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- Heroic Greta will be our Joan of Arc.
- We face so many threats. Let’s respond rationally!
- Collapsitarians and their doomster porn.
- Films show our problems and why we can’t solve them.
Trailers for these films
The Kingsman films.
The first film (trailer below) was excellent fun. The sequel, Kingsman 2: The Golden Circle
The great trailer for Godzilla: King of the Monsters
This was a fun film, up there with the classics – such as Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla
https://youtu.be/zjoY7foPDgo
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Mass murder in the name of doing good is the epitome of “Noble Cause Corruption”
Inspired by the murderer and father of lies.
https://www.policeone.com/chiefs-sheriffs/articles/noble-cause-corruption-do-the-ends-justify-the-means-SCKX3VQGkXYSFhUb
https://biblehub.com/john/8-44.htm
“Stories exhulting in megadeaths are popular on both Left and Right.”
Larry says the Right is just as bad as the Left.
Larry is wrong. It sounds like wishful thinking.
Tom,
Try reading more carefully. That’s not what those words say.
That’s what those words say to me, considering you frequently seem to put forth this notion that the Left and the Right are essentially the same when it comes to violence and political chacanery.
I don’t agree with that. I think the Right is rational and the Left is irrational and there is no comparisons that can reasonably be made. So that’s why I point this out. I’m talking about the Right in the United States which is not extremist in their outlook. The Left in the United States is all about extremism. I can’t speak for the Right in other nations.
The one doesn’t equal the other, as you seem to think.
I won’t say everyone on the Left is insane but too many of them are, and there is no equivalent insanity on the Right, with the exception of TDS, and that is limited to a very few individuals.
The Right is not the Left. Not anywhere close. It’s the Left that are the violent ones. It is the Left who wants to control everyone’s lives. The Right doesn’t want any of that.
Think Crispr.
I may have missed it but I think he left out one of the most obvious movies that could motivate the eco-nuts to believe that eco-slaughter is a good thing, “Avengers: Endgame” – Thanos. Maybe that’s who they aspire to be, an arch-villain and mass murderer like Thanos who believes the ends justify the means.
Maybe the quite enjoyable “Snowpiercer” should have been named in this category.
The 9 principles of eco wackoism
https://tambonthongchai.com/2010/05/16/171/
“Heroic Greta is our Joan of Arc”? Is she about to be burned at the stake, then burned again just in case? I think Greta needs some special classes to deal with her high function autism, but burning at the stake is a bit of, dare I say “overkill”!
These sentiments are common among greens, and have been for years. Such as this early example by David M. Graber, a research biologist with the National Parks Service in the LA Times on 22 October 1989. Bold emphasis added.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-10-22-bk-726-story.html
As to the aformentioned research biologist, he was uninformed and incorrect, at best sloppy with his stories if the LA Times article is accurate, not to mention the sick philosophy. The human species is about 200,000 years old or less according to widely accepted data. Why pay attention to anything else this so-called scientist is reported to have believed unless he provides the data to illustrate that humans are as old as, or older than the earliest primitive animals in the fossil record?
Nonsense. Discard.
Morons like Graber are why we need anti-hypocrisy laws! If he feels humans are a cancer he should do the noble thing and get himself cured! I especially like how he missed human history by only a few order of magnitude; so humans predate all other life forms except some proto-bacteria? Wow, my geology professors really missed that one!
The “right virus” already exists. DA Henderson lost his fight to have the US and former USSR destroy their smallpox stocks after the successful eradication of smallpox in the wild, an effort largely led by Henderson. The USSR in all likelihood developed a variant that would not be prevented by the “current” vaccine, which is essentially the same as that discovered in 1796 by Edward Jenner. After a couple of generations, humans have little natural immunity left, and smallpox would have Ebola-like mortality rates. It is airborne and more communicable than the common cold. What should keep sane people awake at night is not a nuke for Iran, which would make a really loud noise and ruin the whole day for everyone in one city. It’s some fanatic (religious or environmentalist — but I repeat myself) getting hold of Russian weaponized smallpox and turning it loose.
If you still sleep too well, you could try the 20-year-old “The Cobra Event” by Richard Preston for laughs.
“What should keep sane people awake at night is not a nuke for Iran, which would make a really loud noise and ruin the whole day for everyone in one city.”
Well, the Mad Mullahs of Iran could detonate one nuclear weapon high over the United States which could knock out electricity for half the nation, and large numbers of people would die wating for the electricity to come back on, which might take a very long time.
No, we don’t want insane people like the Mad Mullahs to have even one nuclear weapon. We should do everything possble to prevent such an outcome.
I agree with you about MMs with nukes in general, but a high-school friend spent 30+ years developing THAAD’s (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) technology, the ancestor to the current Patriot short-range missile defense system. It is unlikely that either the Norks or a rogue Islamic regime could succeed with an EMP attack. The nuclear superpowers (Russia and China) spent many billions developing maneuverable re-entry vehicles to defeat this system, but I can’t imagine a small near-failed state or terrorist group being able to do so.
All they need are scuds and a commercial ship. No need for long range missiles at all.
Yeah, an old tramp steamer with a skud mounted on a mobile launcher below decks, could sail right up off the coast of the U.S. and launch a nuke towards the center of the U.S where it would detonate in the atmosphere.
The U.S. might discover them before they can act, or the U.S. may intercept the missile, or it may get through. If it gets through and detonates, a lot of people are going to be in serious trouble.
Our best bet is to stop the maniacs from obtaining nuclear weapons. Nip this one in the bud for all our sakes. Nuclear weapons don’t care if you are a Democrat or a Republican.
Forget the Scud: Sail into SF bay, set the timer and sail away on another boat.
It needs to be an air burst to be truly effective. Besides, Dan Francisco is already destroying itself.
I haven’t met Dan.
Any major container port, anywhere in the world. Bury the “hotbox” below everything else, harder to detect from satellite.
… could sail right up off the coast of the U.S. and launch a nuke towards the center of the U.S….
More likely, and more difficult for us to stop, would be a launch from a ship that sends nukes to detonate over DC, NYC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Norfolk, etc… This is the actual existential threat we face. Millions will die in such a scenario.
For what we spend on climate change in just two days, we could harden our entire national grid against such an attack. Congress should be held accountable for this gross failure, and held accountable before the attack comes.
“For what we spend on climate change in just two days, we could harden our entire national grid against such an attack. Congress should be held accountable for this gross failure, and held accountable before the attack comes.”
That’s right, for a few billion dollars the U.S. could harden its electrical infrastructure. There has already been a commission that has studied this recently and has made recommendations to Congress. Congress should implement these recommendations as soon as possible. Very cheap insurance.
Yesterday, the usual suspects tried to use the Australian bushfires to push their radical ‘climate change’ agenda.
https://www.tr.news/sackscomo-protest-melbourne/
If they get their way Yes of course they will kill billions but they will claim it was by “natural causes” just as General Kyrushkov head of the KGB did.
Will they kill billions? We won’t know without giving them the chance.
Are some of them willing to ‘cull’ the herd? If so, don’t ever give them a chance.
This mass extinction crap is driving the media into a frenzy .
As though losing some of the billion animal species is the end of the world .
Humans are the living world and will continue to be so for ever more .
Man has created prosperity for all , other animals are just a side show .
In other words , humankind will survive as it always has .
George,
For more about the stories of mass extinctions happening now (it’s a great con):
https://fabiusmaximus.com/2018/10/04/mass-extinction/
I think too many of the warmists have been influenced by Godzilla. Prof. Tanaka and his beautiful daughter Michiko try to warn everyone. (Scientists always have beautiful daughters.) Evil industrialist persuades government to ignore him. Godizilla emerges and rampages round Tokyo.
What the warmists need to be told is that they won’t end up with Michiko. It is always Satoshi, the handsome Air Force officer, who gets the girl.
The treehuggers / eco terrorists are dangerous people, and there is no doubt they’ll kill as many as they have to in order to ram through their agenda of destruction. If we let them, by refusing to stand up against them.
Margaret Sanger would be for it, were she still alive.
And…..she’s a virtual saint to the huggers.
@Larry – I chided you elsewhere, but had a second thought and figured I should give you some replacements for two poorly chosen fictional examples.
They are both series – and from an author who is at least as conservative as Dr. Pournelle was. Both fit the theme of “a mass die-off is horrible while it is happening, but the world and humanity will be the better for it.”
Look them up on Amazon, please – “The Council Wars” and “Black Tide Rising.” I don’t want this comment flushed for “commercial linking” (even though John pays me not a penny…).
Writing Observer,
I don’t see your “elsewhere” comment, and don’t understand your message. I said that “disaster porn” is popular on both the Left and Right.
“Both fit the theme of ‘a mass die-off is horrible while it is happening, but the world and humanity will be the better for it.'”
I gave one example. I’m sure there are many many more.
Well, perhaps ctm zapped it… Don’t know why, either.
I assumed that you referred to Dr. Pournelle’s “Lucifer’s Hammer” or “Footfall” – until I looked at your referenced post. “Lucifer’s Hammer” can legitimately be classified as “disaster porn”; you do have to squint rather hard to put “Footfall” into that category, but it is possible.
The “Sparta” novels, on the other hand, are NOT “disaster porn.” Nor are they even about “mass executions” – for good or bad results. They are about war to the knife between the makers and the takers; about whether Sparta will retain its productive culture, or become a tyrannical poverty-ridden Marxist-style dictatorship.
No one is ” zapping ‘ comments, from you or anyone else, on WUWT.
If comments are snipped it is noted and explained.
If one does not post, it has gone to automatic moderation.
Anyone who knows this site knows these things.
It probably was there in moderation, and I did not notice. (Sigh, literal minded computers – and you never know which word or combination is on the list.)
However, I have seen some comments completely disappear on occasion. It depends, I think, on how much time the moderator of the day has, and how egregious the comment is. It takes time to edit one to snip and give the reason, time which probably shouldn’t be taken for pure garbage (spam are mostly what I have seen vanish). That WUWT moderators almost always do take that time – well, that makes this one of the most unusual heavily trafficked sites on the interwebs. PAID moderators elsewhere don’t do that.
It can sometimes take a while for anyone to get around to checking the moderation mailbox, although typically it is within one or a few hours.
And I was speaking of actual commentary…I am sure there are spam posts of the “My brother’s wife’s cousin’s son’s teacher makes $1000 ‘s in the comfort of her home in her spare time! You can too…just click on…” sort of thing.
Right now I have two in moderation (I know because the posts said so after I sent them, but often there is no such message) since the wee hours of this morning…but I am sure they will get around to them eventually…
From what I can recall reading, this site makes a point of not doing what so many other sites run by alarmists often do…disappear comments, edit them, etc.
Even formerly respectable science publications’ web sites, and those of various media outlets have long done this…scrub their boards of all inconvenient commentary.
This phenomenon alone may be why many people think that there is no real disagreement about the alarmist CAGW malarkey.
“From what I can recall reading, this site makes a point of not doing what so many other sites run by alarmists often do…disappear comments, edit them, etc.”
I have had exactly one post of mine disappear completely in all the years I have posted here. Sometimes it will take a while for your post to show up, and all of mine but that one, have shown up.
The WUWT moderators do a terrific job.
Will climate activists kill billions to save the planet?
They must of course.
It’s the only real solution because the real problem is humans. But they too are human so they should end with themselves.
https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/01/13/human-pollution-the-planet-is-doomed/
Gang Green would if they could.
But they have some serious handicaps, being innumerate,scientifically illiterate and non-tool users,they are pretty limited in their means.
Now being they are obviously watermelons to a man, they have had success in mass murder before, but we have seen this movie before too.
What say we take them at their word,they call us cancer and want us dead,so why do we continue to feed them?
Essentially the most clueless and useless are agitating for power, power of life and death or so it seems.
Time to banish them from technological society,let them demonstrate this brave new world, that they demand.
I just gotta see the fossil fuel free,carbon free paradise.
As long as it is Gang Green living the dream.
Lets review:
The ones who live are the anti social, people hating, ill-educated, deluded, unreasonable, unthinking, uncaring and self-centered murderers, but they will create a utopia once they are the only ones left?
Hah!
We know that will work out just like they planned, huh?
Far chance.
They are also the ones who are lazy talkers, not industrious doers.
And they need their minions, lackeys, and servants to do anything that resembles actual work.
They do not care about the dying so much as the cutting off the resources to the multitude in order to hoard them for themselves. Of courss, they have no comprehension of the nature of wealth, or how things actually work in the real world, which is how it is they have their tragically wrong and stupid ideas to begin with.
A handful of such maniacs might seize the levers of power, and someday, somehow, begin to implement such plans in ernest…but even if they somehow stop all extraction of fossil fuels, the people being starved and frozen and impoverished will not simply die quietly and meekly, in pitiful clumps and hordes.
They will riot and rampage, scatter and scrounge and scrimp…
The will get skinny, get clever, get mean and nasty, brutish even. And quickly enough they will seek out the people responsible, and end them. They will access the required resources and use them.
At least, that is far more likely than any rosy scenario imagined by the lunatic green morons, panic mongers, and doomsday cultists.
More likely still is that any move to cut off needed economic resources like fossil fuels and the energy and materials and industries they provide…which BTW, as anyone paying attention knows, includes pretty much everything we refer to as “civilization”…would be so immediately economically painful and so resoundingly injurious to the livelihoods and lifestyles of so many, that it would be politically disastrous for anyone involved, to the point of being de facto political suicide for the perpetrators.
Our political systems in industrialized countries is, by necessity, rapidly self correcting.
We would never have got where we are if it were not.
The only reason this has gone so far is because of the distance of so many of us above actual poverty and deprivation.
So far, the alarmists jackasses have only made us less rich.
Places that are actually poor, it can be readily observed, have little or none of this self flagellation and self imposed impoverishment going on…except to the extent it has been imposed on them.
Lots of people may die if these maniacs get their way, true enough.
Many no doubt already have.
But it is unlikely, IMO, that self imposed poverty measures could wipe out 90% of humanity.
Or anything like that number.
People are simply too resourceful and good at surviving for that to happen.
Certain natural disasters or diseases could do so, but that is another issue.
Even if these maniacs succeeded in crashing the system for long enough to starve and freeze half of us, that would take us back to the population of the world in about 1970, IIRC.
I do not seem to be able to call to mind any worldwide utopia in those days.
In any case, few possible scenarios leave a world with a greatly reduced but technologically adept population living in harmony, with just the right balance of farmers and tradesmen and doctors and various experts and technicians, miners and foundry workers, etc…to have some well balanced social justice-ruled utopia.
The only justice in such circumstances is the law of the jungle.
The strong survive, and the lucky.
It is astounding really, that the snowflakes imagine they will be the survivors of The Great Culling!
People with no skills, dull wits, soft hands, and gratingly unpleasant mannerisms will be, in my estimation, the least likely to be among the survivors.
The problem with speculating in any serious way about possible future disasters is that it amounts to playing the same game as the alarmists, right?
While I am myself admittedly a science fiction fan from way back when, in my advanced middle aged maturity I find I am disenchanted somewhat, even when it comes to most fictional disaster accounts? Having said that, I see that the head post writer here has referenced some of the better sf disaster stories, stories by Jerry Pournelle etc. As far as Kingsman movies, I saw the ‘ostentatiously bad’ sequel, which doesn’t inspire me to ever spend *any* time on the first movie.
Given the sordid excesses of the Western world today, there is one disaster that I continue to find disturbingly plausible, and that is the prospect of oligarchies like China and Russia overtaking the big democracies, by destroying any truly democratic government system or just making democracies increasingly ineffective in the world. Presumably the environmental implication of that wouldn’t be good, but who knows?
Now, show me some signs that the big fat liars of the Left are starting to show some insight, or show me that their followers are deserting them, and I’ll gladly be more optimistic! Democracy *should* be the better way, shouldn’t it?
David,
This is not idle speculation.
This post looks at the views of influential elites in the US, promulgated in films and books. In the comments I’ve given other examples (flagged by readers).
Mods,
I seem to have a comment sent to the moderation bin.
Thanks.
Well, well, well… A megadeath cult? The ecohippies ARE a megadeath cult. They want to destroy the human species? Yeah, good luck with that. They’d be the first to be disposed of. They exhibit the herd mentality that sends cattle into stampedes off a cliff.
Geezo Pete, could you guys get into any BIGGER panic attacks? If it’s megadeath you’re fretting about, why haven’t the Chinese slaughtered their excessive population? They’ve got every excuse in the book for it, don’t they?
The greenbeaners – ecohippies – whatever loons are more likely to commit mass suicide, like those people at Jonestown and the Heaven’s Gate loons, than anyone else. None of those whacko idiots at the so-called “TOP” are likely to survive, either. They are all the BORG, y’know, and resistance within their megadeath cult is futile. Those protests where they glue themselves to fences, doors and pavement are rehearsals for mass die-ins and nothing else. I’m just waiting to see it happen. Even lemmings aren’t this stupid.
Since the reality of this planet is that it’s about 35% occupied by Hoomans and the rest is open space, they have no idea how high the so-called population bomb would have to go to make it uninhabitable, because – as I keep trying to make clear – they are isolated in cities, they do NOT spend time outdoors, they live for their electronic gadgets and believe whatever trash twaddle comes out of those, but if that crap were shut down for one long week, they just might have a nasty slap from reality.
I will ask again: if the megadeath cult is so prominent and such a threat, how come the Chinese haven’t just slaughtered half a billioin or more already? Not ONE of you has an answer to that.
Sci-fi is great stuff. I spent whole Saturdays in the library stacks reading Heinlein and Asimov and others when I was 11 and 12. That speculative fiction was all about expansion and exploration and yeah, the kids save the town and the planet in ‘Have Spacesuit – Will Travel”, but nowhere did this dismal mass execution crap slip in there. The idea behind “Mothra” and “Godzilla” was to fight a common enemy, NOT destruction of the planet. “1984” and “Fahrenheit 451” were about what happens if YOU let the government become too powerful because you’re too damnably lazy to fight its decay.
Snap out of it, willya? Why do you think the gilets jaunes and Hong Kong protests and tractors on the highways have been taking place? Or are you isolated on some other planet than mine? And since there are now 5 – FIVE – confirmed SETI signals, including the original “wow” signal, from systems within 100 light years of Earth, why would you just throw your hands in the air and give up? ANSWER THAT!!!!
And get some help with your problem, because if you don’t’ have the intestinal fortitude to fight back, it’s YOUR fault that YOU let it happen. Got that? If you’re going to be slaughtered, then YOU let it happen. And if it’s about reducing population, again I ask: why have the Chinese NOT killed of half their population??????
If the ecohippies want a megadeath cult, then get them all together in one spot, put the megadeath message on speakers and start handing out the poison. They are more similar to a suicide cult than megadeath.
Mods: thanks for letting this one go through. I didn’t realize what a rant it was until I counted how many times I used words that might rattle the modification genie’s door! My bad, and sorry about that.
Why you down on Megadeath? Those guys rock! Sorry, couldn’t help myself. 😉
Naw, that’s MegaDETH. Great – AWESOME -heavy metal group!
That’s not the same thing as these wackos pretending to care about “the environment and the climate”, when the things they do, and tell their members to do, are evidence that they are only interested in controlling what their followers do.
But thanks for the reminder that the real world is a better place than the cults want it to be! Think how great it might be if any of their followers got fed up and walked away from that nonsense.
I await these leaders showing the world the courage and resolve of their convictions publicly. If Buddhist and Hindu monks can do it these Heroes Of The Environment can.
So you thought you’d give up butter for margarine idiocits? (via JoNova)
I really kinda like that video rant! Almost makes me want to go back farming.
Fad Diets have killed hundreds of millions of people…
Using movies quotes or scenes to argue a point is the same as using computer models. Useless.