Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Greta stopped going to school, and even stopped eating, before her parents “helped” her by convincing her to become a climate activist.
Greta Thunberg’s father: ‘She is happy, but I worry’
Greta Thunberg’s father has said he thought it was “a bad idea” for his daughter to take to the “front line” of the battle against climate change.
Millions of people have been inspired to join the 16-year-old in raising awareness of environmental issues.
But Svante Thunberg told the BBC he was “not supportive” of his daughter skipping school for the climate strike.
Mr Thunberg said Greta was much happier since becoming an activist – but that he worries about the “hate” she faces.
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Struggle with depression
Speaking to Husain as part of the show, Mr Thunberg said his daughter had struggled with depression for “three or four years” before she began her school strike.
“She stopped talking… she stopped going to school,” he said.
He added that it was the “ultimate nightmare for a parent” when Greta began refusing to eat.
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Over the next few years they began discussing and researching climate change, with Greta becoming increasingly passionate about tackling the issue.
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Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50901789
What is the plan when Greta realises she has failed?
The oxygen used by parasites is publicity, so why freely supply it?
The publicity stunt known as “Greta” is 100%, Grade-A “Sock Puppet.”
Pull back the curtain to see who’s running the smoke & mirrors machine–AND the money.
They alluded to the Hate directed towards Greta but state nothing for the massive amount of Hate the process is building within her
Or in the movement she is building.
Or the massive amount of hate Saint Greta is directing towards everyone else.
This is dangerous territory. Historically, every time a secular saint (a mortal gods) gets on a social justice kick, we lose several million people outright, and several hundred million over a multidecadal period, in a wicked solution, in progress. #HateLovesAbortion
“Over the next few years they began discussing and researching climate change, with Greta becoming increasingly passionate about tackling the issue.”
Poor kid,with daddies “research” skills small wonder she feels doomed.
Strangely it has been my experience,that the more a person researches “Climate Change” the less passionate they become about catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming and the more passionate they become about corruption,mass hysteria and State Religions..
The most “passionate ” defenders of the CAGW/CC meme are consistent,in their ignorance of science and their surrender to authority.
As for “The Hate Greta faces”.meh maybe she is becoming uncomfortable with what she sees in her mirror?
Doom,doom,doom;How dare you..
Could be a catchy musical number there..
Greta Thunderbird will never realise that she has failed because in the parallel Socialist Utopian Paradise failure is not an option.
A lot of groups are riding on the Greta bandwagon. In her recent Vancouver appearance she spoke for 5 minutes while we waited through 3 hours of mind numbing hate filled speeches by Indigenous groups with their bile directed towards colonial oppressors of which I was apparently one, having the misfortune to be white, male and old. These messages are often directed towards vulnerable elementary and high school audiences. How to counter?
My grandson and I worked on a video to appeal to high schoolers and counteract some of the propaganda that has been slung in our direction
It can be found at:
https://youtu.be/OytsPc193PM
Very nice! It covered a lot of material.
Good video, happy to spread the link.
Shared on FB.
kudos Carters!
Demagoguery and zealotry are always an option, though. That and believing the audience is at least as cognitively dysfunctional as you are.
Maybe we could name a PHO/PHA after her. Now that would be very funny indeed.
She cannot fail. She with the “help” of her handlers will understand that it is us who stymied her. You have already seen glimpses of her rage within.
‘Happy’? She’s positively exultant – she’s enforcing her will on others.
Of course she’s happy. She ) and the climate activists) can never be wrong. They are the very definition of ‘rightness’. They will be right forever – just ask them!
she’ll tell ya!
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/greta-thunberg-i-wouldnt-have-wasted-my-time-meeting-trump
Stupid Dad…….. he stole her youth and now he tries to refurbish her star. For whom?
Dad, along with her teachers, is a perpetrator of child abuse.
From the BBC article:
“I did all these things, I knew they were the right thing to do… but I didn’t do it to save the climate, I did it to save my child,” Mr Thunberg said.
“I have two daughters and to be honest they are all that matter to me. I just want them to be happy,” he added.
She was chronically depressed for 4 years, so he told her all about the end of the world caused by humans.
This “Dad” is clearly the source of her depression and on-going mental delusions-of-grandeur about saving the world.
As was previously reported by the news, she developed a climate phobia at the age of 8; cause unknown but likely the internet and educators.
Savante just stated deep depression about 3-4 years before her school strike. School strike was been going on for over a year. Age 16 minus strike puts the onset of depression around age 10-11.
It’s likely Greta’s father encouraged addressing the cause of her depression as a way to get her to deal with it. It’s highly unlikely he encouraged her to become an activist.
Finding out what caused the onset of ClimatePhobia is a good idea.
The acute lateral asymmetry of her mouth and maxillary region says an awful lot. Why didn’t the parents seek help much earlier on? Coupled to that, she is a very poorly educated child with a severely limited understanding, let alone knowledge or awareness, of related fields of science.
Truanting since she was 11, Thunberg’s skills now amount to mechanically parroting the Al Gore level of ratbaggery. Her handlers appear to spurn the philosophy of science. particularly when it comes to answering, “what evidence does not support your claims/hypotheses/wild assertions?”. Indeed, asking her the most basic of questions about geophysical science (expected of any 16 year old) is immediately and shamefully claimed as “bullying” or “harrassment” of a child. Indeed, the child angle is still trotted out as the defense against any enquiries.
I guess a country which produces scenarios like Malmo and many similar areas in Stockholm and other towns no longer has the will to pursue the abuse of this child.
She is borderline autistic.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1167075963835953155
Clearly child abuse.
I confirm as father of an autistic child. Her parents have locked her in her fears she has got at school. It’s terrible for her ! Fortunately, we did’nt, my wife and me, locked our son in his fears, and now he has good relationship with the others.
Greta’s scary face when she is angry is a typically reaction of an autistic child with an Asperger syndrom.
For me, her parents would be accused for child abuse.
I actually feel sorry for her. The adults in her life have utterly failed her. If she was depressed before, how is she going to feel when she’s no longer a young media novelty and just another shrill, ignorant high school drop out?
Just imagine how she will feel when, not if, her handlers decide she is no longer useful and cast her aside quicker than a dirty tissue.
Well her handlers could start claiming assassination attempts when her novelty fades. For some, that’s the next step–see https://www.foxnews.com/us/david-hogg-parkland-shooting-survivor-assassination-attempts
Also see https://babylonbee.com/news/some-kid-repeatedly-leaning-into-camera-shot-during-greta-thunberg-speech
Andy Warhol said a long while back that in the future, everyone would be famous for about 15 minutes – something like that.
I think Greta’s 15 minutes are just about up, as are those of the other ‘look at me” swamp dwellers.
Good reason to play least in sight for the rest of us, isn’t it?
Imagine how she’ll feel 40 years from now when CO2 concentrations are much higher than now but the apocalypse hasn’t happened, and she realizes instead of getting an education and having a life, she ruined her own future, and helped ruin the lives of millions more, all for nothing.
On occasion I get to think that whoever is behind Greta’s cult actually promoted skepticism.
Because no one with a sane mind would put a challenged and poorly schooled teenager on the front-line of a topic as complex as weather and therefore climate.
Which plunges the entire climate domain to new lows, “If Greta can, then I can too”. Drawing a clear picture of the religious-alike dogmas and beliefs of climate fear and reducing it’s scientific credibility to way below zero.
Face it, gifted kids exist however Greta is clearly not one of them nor was ever “merchandized” as such.
The saga has a sizeable backfire potential.
Flight: Exactly! This shows the alarmists for what they really are. It also shows the level they are at if an unfortunate child like this is useful to them. No science, no intellectual debate is going to change anything with this type of crowd.
The actual ones trained in science accept all idiocy if it is supportive of their meme. What does that tell us about them?
So many brave keyboard warriors confirming their biases in this thread. So much fear, loathing, hate and lies.
Facts:
1. No one “convinced her to become a climate activist”. Her father was “not supportive”, there is no one “behind” her, she started her protest alone, of her own volition. That is uncontestable.
2. Her support exploded because millions of kids spontaneously joined in; because she inspired them and because kids have the most to lose and they know it.
3. Her mild autism spectrum condition gives her a directness, a single-minded determination and an extraordinary bravery – as she herself says “it is a superpower”.
4. All the personal attacks and baseless lies about child abuse, mental illness, sock puppetry, socialism, indoctrination, etc, etc is just that: shameless lying and says so much more about the liars than her. It says fear and in this thread it is, for the umpteenth time, on full display.
That is funny right there, a sock puppet defending a human puppet.
Your response is to immediately repeat the lie and the ad hominem attack?
Oh no death by 100 cuts of a sock puppet.
Get a life troll … why do you even post here .. oh wait it’s a job right?
‘Your response is to immediately repeat the lie and the ad hominem attack?’
Actually, that’s what YOU did – in classic Goebbels tradition.
What an UNERRING hypocrite – but I guess that’s a necessary trait in a good bigot.
Sorry to break it to you Loydo, but teens will do anything to get a day off school, especially if teen rebellion and mucho-grumpy sanctimony is being directed at allegedly ignorant oldies. Let alone if they were systematically lied to by Greenies and had their tweenie-weenie and easily influenced minds propagandized and politicized, led astray by the malevolent pied-pipers of the ultra-left idiocracy.
Not in Loydo’s Shire though.
And thank God it is on full display. If she is an adult, and perfectly able to direct her life independently from her parents as you contend, the she is fair game as the self-made self-aggrandizing celebrity she has become. Celebrity extracts a price, she pays it. Her higher power is Gaia, and there’s no solace there for poor Greta.
16yo is not an adult and she is not self-aggrandizing in slightest
Depends on the country doesn’t it here is the list where 16 is an adult
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority#Age_16
There are also 3 where 15 is an adult.
She will be 17 in a few days.
Are we children on the day before our 18th birthday, and adults the next day?
You cannot have it both ways…if she is a child, what business does she have telling adults what is what?
What business does she have pretending to be an expert in complex subjects, being that she is a middle school dropout?
What business do climate crusaders have holding her up as an expert, and then dismissing the opinions of fully educated and learned adults?
There is no age limit to be a ‘climate worker’.
In the Amsterdam red light district the age requirement is 18; although there is a proposal to raise the minimum age to 21.
Loydo
Do you have evidence to support your facts?
1 – Please provide documentary evidence that her eco-mentalist parents did not convince Greta to become an activist”. Bear in mind it was her eco-mentalist parents who filled her mind with BS about climate change as evidenced in the BBC story.
2 – Are you really so naive to believe that a single child in Sweden could have “inspired” other kids to spontaneously join in without the aid of the Green Machine?
3 – Single-mindedness is not a superpower, it is tunnel vision. Tunnel vision prevents you from seeing things surrounding the issue and making balanced judgements.
4 – I agree with you on the personal attacks, however, Greta is clearly being used by both her parents and other eco-mentalists. I worry for the young woman and fear for her mental stability when she is no longer the Jeanne d’Arc of the eco-mentalists (although obviously Jeanne d’Arc was from a peasant family and Greta has wealthy parents).
Evidence please Loydo.
Loydo will present evidence…just like that!
You ask me for evidence Redge, I’ve quoted her and her father… as opposed to repeating baseless opinion: “Greta is clearly being used by both her parents and other eco-mentalists”. “Clearly”?
This is based on your intimate knowledge as a close family friend? Or did you just make it up?
I suggest that you all read this investigation in to Greta’s background. It lays out how she got where she is now, what groups back her with cash & support and who her handlers are.
http://www.theartofannihilation.com/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-political-economy-of-the-non-profit-industrial-complex/
Reverse the argument how do you know they aren’t?
Do you have intimate knowledge as a close family friend? Or did you just make it up?
See easy to troll with inane comments isn’t it.
‘Greta is clearly being used by both her parents and other eco-mentalists’
The fact that she was escorted across the ocean and met on US shore by Obama – yeah, that’s evidence.
The swedish company “wedonthavetime” is asking for money.
The founder, Ingemar Rentzog is a PR conultant involved in the early “discovery” of the actual girl.
She was on the board of said company but that connection is per now not in public records.
The publicist knew her before her climate strike.
She was one of four winners of a writing competition, then a volunteer was sought to go on strike for climate change, Greta Thunberg was the only one that volunteered.
There is one person that is always around her, Luisa-Marie Neubauer, usually within earshot.
Of course her parents are not going to say they influenced or manipulated her, as they could be accused of child abuse, especially using the characteristics associated with Asperger’s, primarily the fixation on a specific subject.
Quick question, how does a 16 year old school girl, sitting outside the parliament of a small country become elevated to celebrity status across the world?
Loydo,
Of course, Greta’s parents didn’t push their eco-mentalist beliefs onto Greta. Let’s be honest her mother and father weren’t eco-mentalists before Greta made them aware of the horrors we are visiting on Earth.
Oh! Hang on, Greta’s parents were both eco-mentalists long before Greta had her epiphany.
In fact, Malena Ernman received her first award for eco-mentalism a couple of years before Greta in May 2019, one year after she started her activism.
Do you believe everything you are told without question?
Loydo what color is the sky in your world?
Holy Hanna exploiting children is a dangerous game 🙁
I enjoyed the entertainment. Which is what happens when dogmas and belief are presented as facts to an assembly used to debate reality and critical thinking.
With so much high-pressure nonsense in it, once ignited, the backfire of StGreta would be quite a firework show.
if she stopped school 4 yrs or so before she started the friday stunts then shes damned well as close to un or ill educated .
someone fed her a load of crap that scared what little wit she had to begin with
and dear dayy admits helping her “research agw”
the sponaneous support?
bullshit
a carefully orchestrated media effort
from day one
singleminded yeah a very worrisome single mindedness, on a topic she personally is rather lousy at explaining..ie so theres that missing education she needed in math physics chem and the rest I guess
and allowing the media frenzy and actively promoting it for their child IS abuse
I dont hate her
she annoys the hell outta me though!
Yep, another unicorn believer.
(That’s the only response possible. Logic and reason are beyond this one….)
I see Loydo the Bigot is back.
Watching this little Hitler-youth spread HER propaganda and hatred.
How dare YOU?
And the ‘personal attacks’ on this human-shield are spot-on – as she exemplifies shameless lies, fear-mongering, indoctrination – as do you. I wonder what it’s like to be a such a paranoiac coward – but I guess YOU know – don’t you Loydo?
Just remember – your both going to die – there’s no hope.
If the climate doesn’t get you then the white man will.
You should go find a nice tall building and end it all now – save your suffering.
Greta is a tool of adult activists. She was recruited by climate activist Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland Group who was searching for “fresh green faces” to advance his activist agenda. Greta had won second prize in an environmental writing competition for a newspaper, and Thorén approached the contestants with a proposal for a school climate strike. Only she was interested and agreed to do it.
Thorén tipped off Ingmar Rentzhog, founder of the environmental media campaign organization calling itself “We Don’t Have Time” that Greta would be the solitary school striker for climate action at the Swedish Parliament and he took pictures, wrote it up and publicised it.
She is backed by an organization called Global Utmaning (Global Challenge) which is comprised of a number of prominent Swedish activists, politicians and energy sector bigwigs who stand to profit big from the global warming industry.
Greta’s press agent, Daniel Donner, works from the office of a Brussels organization, the European Climate Foundation. She has financers and handlers. Lots of them, including her primary adviser, the person who fills her head with fear, climate professor Kevin Anderson. She is also coached by her parents who are climate alarmists. She has emotional and psychological problems. You’d think those who care for her would get her help, not use her vulnerabilities to promote their agenda.
It brings to mind the tactics of some of the most despicable soldiers in history who herded children in front of them as they attacked the enemy. Not near as bad, but still, they’re hiding behind a child.
Someone should prepare a historical primer for Greta on Sweden’s history before and after the industrial era. If I recall from my European history classes (45 years ago), Scandinavia suffered from frequent famines from the end of the Medieval Climate Optimum and the start of Industrial Era. Does anyone know where I can find data on Sweden’s population from roughly 1200 to 1860?
beginn middel-age 300.000
1300 about a million,
beginning 15 cent. 400.000
beginning 19 cent. 2,5 million
all numbers “about”
http://schweden-geschichte.blogspot.com/2012/03/die-einwohner-schwedens-von-der.html
The swedish company “wedonthavetime” is asking for money.
The founder, Ingemar Rentzog is a PR conultant involved in the early “discovery” of the actual girl.
She was on the board of said company but that connection is per now not in public records.
In Sweden, as in most countries, at the beginning, there was starvation, pestilence and war.
Then came the industrial revolution.
“How dare you!” is hate. Just another scolding, hateful leftist. She was indoctrinated well.
“… he worries about the “hate” she faces.”
But, what about all the hate she stirs up?
What about the Hate she dishes out … “line them up against the wall” is not a translation misunderstanding. Hold them to account [shooting them, with or without a blindfold] is the correct translation.
I don’t think Greta’s aim was to kill the deniers she was going to put “up against the wall” since she said she was going to deal with the same people after they had been up against the wall.
Greta was using “up against the wall” not in a threatening manner but as an effort to get deniers attention, like smacking a mule with a 2X4 to get his attention.
I feel sympathy for Greta. She is living in a horrible false reality created for her by others, and she is not in a position to escape the false reality, since it is fed to her every day by the promoters of human-caused climate change, including those most close to her. She thinks she is going to die. How would we behave if we truly believed our end is near and we can do something about it, but noone is listening? I think we might be scowling, too.
It’s a crime what has been done to Greta and she is certainly not the only one suffering from the lies and distortions being put out by the promoters of human-caused climate change. There are a lot of Gretas out there in the world and they are suffering through the same false reality because it is being drummed into their heads from every direction, every day.
Mass delusion. A worthy subject of investigation, and the understanding of which is necessary for human survival. Mass delusions can get us killed, even those who are not deluded.
I’d say humans are all deluded Tom, including you and me, some are just more aware of it and have learned how to actively manage it with relative success, and don’t get carried away by it as much.
Her father and mother are the ones who taught her to hate in the first place.
I read that the Thunbergs have “earned” between $25 million (the Wsj) and $48 million (Wikipedia) since Greta chose (or was forced) into this crusade (publicity stunt? charade? fraud?)
It’s a shame we can’t stop it.
If I was in my teen years and found a way to sail around the world as a world famous personality earning millions instead of going to school? Well, I think *I* would be pretty happy too.
It is becoming accepted practice not to blame the ‘climate worker’. Greta should not be blamed, nor shamed. ‘Climate workers’ are fulfilling a service to those that need a specific type of gratification and can’t find it alone or elsewhere.
Given her line of work she does need to be protected from those that might take advantage of her (handlers & clients both), it would be reasonable that she should need to register with some sort of regulatory agency that may provide such protection.
But along with her freedom (and protection), she has a responsibility to safeguard the general public; she should be tested on a regular basis to ensure that she is not passing some type of Socially Transmitted Diatribe that may escape and harm the innocent that are outside of her social gratification circle.
If Loydo needs to provide evidence for his/her outlandish claims, then claims that the Thunbergs have earned $25m should also be supported by evidence.
Greta’s parents are thought to be very wealthy as her mother has a successful career as an opera singer and her father a not so successful career as an actor.
Greta has been the recipient of many honours and awards which carry a cash prize, although it is said she refused the cash or donated it to “good” causes.
Incidentally Greta’s mother has also been the recipient of awards for her eco-activism.
“I read that the Thunbergs have “earned””…
No you believed what you wanted to believe and have decided to spread lies without checking first.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/thunberg-highest-paid-activist/
And you’d probably describe yourself as a skeptic, right?
Look, don’t worry about it Foghorn, that’s what this site is for. All good.
Using Snopes as a fact checking source, are you for real.
In this case, unless somebody has other evidence, I do believe Snopes and Loydo are correct.
Except snopes is not talking about the “Thunbergs”, they are only talking about Greta.
I suggest that you read the article I posted a link to about who is backing her and how they do it up thread.
Wasn’t a bad year for a 16 year old she did win the Prix Liberté which came with a 25,000 Euro prize money and I didn’t hear she donated the money. The criticism obviously hit a chord because she subsequently turned down the Nordic Council’s 500,000 Kroner (50,000 Euro) enviromental award.
So would you accept the highest paid 16 year old activist?
Yes. “I read”. As did you on Snopes. Do you not see how imbecilic your statement is? I didn’t claim my statement was the absolute truth, yet you apparently say Snopes is indisputable. Which is totally disputable.
Take a class on critical thinking.
Th family is all fluxed up, to use a scientific term.
Child abuse !
Here’s my article on them from a few weeks ago:
http://elonionbloggle.blogspot.com/2019/12/a-portrait-of-thunberg-family-that.html
That is one messed up family. Maybe their millions in “earnings” will help them. A mansion and a yacht should do the trick.
Why slum it in a boat? With that sort of payola the family can get an Embraer Phenom 300 to cruise to Scotland at 45,000 feet at Mach 0.73. I’d want to be an activist too.
The earlier narrative was that Greta was accusing world leaders of stealing her childhood. This narrative seems to be that the global climate battle provided her with meaning and gave her back some semblance of a worthwhile life.
What’s the confusion here? The Global Warming religion had everything but a messiah. Now it’s complete.
Gee, I was just thing George Soros would have a life insurance policy on poor Greta. Surely to be cashed in , just before poor Greta becomes useless. Saint Greta. Her suffering days are numbered.
Depression, bipolar disorder, eating disorder would be the first things an astute parent would check. Climate activist “therapy” would be nowhere on the list.
Reminds me of WW2 near the end, when Germans conscripted teens to fight on the eastern front.
Warmunists conscripted the autistic teen Greta. Will end the same way. Not pretty, but instructive.
“How Dare You!” she is an abused child. It is sick what her parents and handlers have been doing. She belongs in a special school, not on a stage. She suffers from several disorders and someone should file charges against her parents on her behalf. Her ingrained hatred is a function of the abuse.
What made her depressed?
Perhaps it was climate lies & propaganda from the media, or her parents.
Thanks
JK
Progressives create (or make up) a problem, blame others, and justify anything to ‘solve’ it.
Maybe it was simply being forced to go to school?
As far as I am concerned the purpose of secondary education is partly to keep juves off the streets and partly to establish social ‘skills’ by brute force. Education is secondary (pun not intended).
Unless you are socially corrupt enough to be a ‘cool kid’, school is a horrible time that forces children to suppress their natural interests and personality in order to socially survive. Frankly if teenage me had found a successful way to get out of high school I would have taken it.
What a cynical viewpoint! And 100% correct 😉
Hold on a minute 😐. I smell bulls@&t!!!
Instead of getting professional help for his depressed child, he decided to depress her even more by telling her that the world is going to end, and this actually made her happy and she started eating again 😐
Did he mention who payed for all of her first class travel? Including food, clothes, hotels, etc etc?
If both parents do not work, who pays the mortgage, bills, food, clothes, repairs???
Who pays?
Certain wealthy people and ignorant donors.
Poor Greta is George Soros puppet. George is noted for using US tax payers money. Ever heard of foreign aid? It is foolish to think none of this money does not go to George, Deep State scam. Ukraine is good example. Biden son and Soros were both under investigation when prosecutor got fired. Soros uses some and kicks back some as campaign contributions to demoncrates. Circle. Iran also kicked back money to First Kenya President from airplane full of cash. I feel sure President Trump will have Soros in chains. Now the question is…. Greta’s parents have a policy?
Greta is caught up in the mania. She is correct.
She lost her childhood to become a spokesperson for the cult of CAGW.
It will be sad for her when it all ends. Cooling? Or Economic Recession so CAGW is ignored?
Their science is 100% incorrect.
… regardless we will be in a deep economic depression and will be absolutely broke at a country level if we continue on the CAGW path which is carbon neutral 2050. It is not physically possible so what does saying it mean?
…. spend as much money as possible on stuff that does not work and cause a net damage to environment?
Germany has proven that spending more and more money on sun and wind gathering will never get a country to carbon neutral.
And where will the control end? To get to carbon neutral would require Stalin like control of the general population.
https://notrickszone.com/2019/12/29/gretas-generational-supremacists-indoctrinated-german-girls-sing-grandmother-is-an-environmental-scumbag/
Child abuse by German WDR 2 public broadcasting? Young schoolgirls taught to hate, made to sing “My grandma is an old environmental scumbag” because she drives an SUV, eats meat and takes cruises
It’s called child abuse.
Selective mutism, Autism, Anorexia and Attention Deficit Disorder. So what loving parent wouldn’t pull her out of school and put her up on the world stage championing a subject she knows next to nothing about? When Greta’s 15 minutes of fame are up, and trust me they will, the world will leave her in a broken heap at the side of the road.
An adult, if there are any in her world, needs to step up and get her some medical and psychological help. She’s just a kid, her parents should be in jail for what they have done to her.
You tell the truth ! And I know this problem.
The problem is not that hate she may face, it is the hate she spews and contains inside her that threatens her.
It is amazing to me that Greta gets away with saying that irresponsible adults “stole” her childhood. Obviously, as Greta grew up, she had millions of same-age peers whose childhoods were suspiciously unstolen. Greta grew up in an affluent household in Sweden, which is a prosperous, peaceable country that almost certainly has had many children whose grotesquely irresponsible parents refused to tell them that they were destined for early death in the imminent climate catastrophe.
I have known a few people with Asperger’s Syndrome and “socially awkward” doesn’t quite describe what they are like. They are profoundly lonely because they can’t make friends, and no normal person can like them. They’re miserable and, like most miserable people, profoundly desirous that their misery be made universal. Greta has now found a way to infect other people with her misery.
It is not Greta Thunberg who is unusual. The really unusual phenomenon is the way modern mass communication media has been able to propel her and her passion to the point that, for example, she is invited to speak to the highest body in the world, the United Nations Assembly. Lots of human beings have the mental, psychological capacity to get a bee in the bonnet and run with it, make it the centre of their world and make it become the inspiration for all their aims and actions. Psychologist can now point to a syndrome of genes in us which can point to individuals who may develop like that.
Autism and schizophrenia often develop in people with this genetic cluster of genes. And far from being indicators of illness this genetic combination points to what is perhaps the most basic and most important of our human genetic set-up, namely the ability to imagine. This ability is what fundamentally sets Homo Sapiens Sapiens apart from all the rest of creation. We have become like God, able to ken between good and evil (Genesis 2, v. 9).
The really frightening aspect of all this is the way social mass communication has been shown to function to make millions of fanatic adherents to one person, one cause. Mob-psychology, mob-law, used to be only a very local phenomenon – now we see it can be global. We are in uncharted waters.
Beware!
I disagree about the object of your warning Andy, I think there are many far more dangerous characters out there with seriously harmful ideas and there hands on the levers of mass influence. That being said yours is pretty much the only post on this entire thread that has been worth the read.
I agree completely that Greta is in no way dangerous. In fact I quite admire her. I like human beings who fight passionately for what they believe in – they are the people who shape history. I think Greta is quite mistaken, of course – but that is not important. She has every right to speak her mind – and the rest of us have every right to listen to her and agree or disagree. There is no reason to ridicule or mock her – or feel sorry for her – or blame her parents.
No, the really dangerous phenomenon is how easy it now seems to whip up mass hysteria in our world today.
I agree, she isn’t. However, she can, and has, influenced people in positions that could be dangerous. Given the UN is “listening” to her is a concern to me.
What is concerning is that adult representatives in the UN processes are been squawked at by a 16 year old junior-high-school dropout, who was a truant for years prior to dropping out, and who justified her truancy via engineering a mass school ‘strike’, and is talking at the UN forum, to adults, while she has no educated understanding of the topics she is ranting about.
If I was one of the educated adult UN delegates I’d be acutely insulted by the sham and mockery this has made of the UN forum they participate in. Which is an indication how foolish and derailed this UN ‘leadership’ cohort are.
Who was the humorist who said that the only thing that will stop Greta now is a Pony or a Boyfriend.
These days it could be one in the same.
Maybe a good laxative.
“Hans och Greta” is a Grimm story where two kids are dealing with a witch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansel_and_Gretel
First the witch fools them but finally they push the witch in her own trap.
For the CO2 trap this might take another 12 years.
Most western nations have their own Hans, some good looking (t)fool; for Canada it must be Justin Trudeau for example. Who is yours?
I remember people smirked about Jimmy Carter saying he asked for advice from his daughter about Nulclear War (she said it was bad). Now we’ve got adults falling all over a child who obviously has mental issues that have nothing to do with the science of climate change and couldn’t even finish school do to her problems. The so called adults are far worse than that poor deranged child. They’re despicable. Joan of Arc she ain’t. I’m afraid of what other revelations will eventually come out about her parents and handlers.
Perhaps the bill for treatment of Thunberg’s various neurological conditions can be sent directly to Goldman Sachs; the latter’s whipping up of apocalyptic climate fantasies with their ludicrous 30 page “report”comes with their willingness to “invest” 750 billion dollars in the scam of carbon trading and “renewables” over the next 10 years.
It is a global disgrace that decent and educated people are going to have to fight.
Mom, Dad, how dare you steal my childhood for several million dollars in redistributive change. How dare you not hold out for the billionaire’s ransom. This is such an empathetic moment. I am so disappointed.
We have possibly reached “Peak Greta”. The chart linked below is based on data from Google trends. 100 on the vertical scale indicates peak popularity. For reference, the results for “fidget spinner” are also included.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dET4CSuwzc913I_1B3KXI86UDHPJULg9/view
That’s hilarious – image linked by Simon;
The fidget spinner has a better profile 🙂
the fidget essentially marketed itself.
the greta marketing will skew the profile.
I have complained to the BBC about the child abuse inherent in her ‘editing’ of the flagship Today programme on Monday and predicted the BBC will have dropped her by next Christmas, with harm to her psyche. Ticked the box requiring reply – we’ll see what comes back
Eric Worrall: “Greta stopped going to school, and even stopped eating, before her parents “helped” her by convincing her to become a climate activist.”
The actual article he even quotes: “Greta’s Father said he thought it was a bad idea for her to for his daughter to take to the “front line”…
Worrall wants to criticise climate scientists but can’t even write a first line with a shred of accuracy.
Another case of GDS – Greta Derangement Syndrome. Never has so many over-confident, entitled, arrogant old men been so well bested by a teenaged girl.
Why do you find is the first sentence inaccurate? Are there reasons for distrusting it other than that it does not jibe with other statements made by her parents? It seems consistent with the reporting of the BBC. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50901789
And a raft of crazy hatred is poured out.
You guys are being had. And it is not by Greta Thunberg.
LdB, Wikipedia has got it wrong for the U.K.. The Children Act defines a child as anyone under 18. The mental capacity act states that anyone 16 or over has capacity to make their own decisions. However, a 16/17 year old who refuses consent for a medical procedure may have that decision overturned by a person with parental responsibility. A person under the age of 18 may get married with consent from someone with parental responsibility. A person under the age of 18 may join the armed forces with consent. I have encountered a 17 year old classified as a looked after child.
This calling a 16 year old a “child” is nonsense, the world is not the UK, and nor is it Greta’s country.
In Australia a 15 year old can leave home as soon as they can provide for themselves. I did so about 6 weeks after turning 15 as I had paid work from the day I turned 15. If parents are being antagonistic or unreasonable and uncooperative with a 15 year old’s requests to set up such things as a bank account, etc., the young person can on their own volition visit a registered social-worker and explain this issue, and ask them to partition the court on their behalf to have the Guardianship status of one or both parents quashed. If the parent has duel-control and guardian access of that bank account they can withdraw the money the 15 year old needs to live on, for instance. Abuse is another reason. The court can prevent parents doing that sort of thing after a 15th birthday.
A court appointed social-worker then mediates as a proxy Guardian in legal and financial matters, as required until they turn 18. The parents have no further legal control, responsibility or say over the young adult at that point, and will not get guardian status back. A 15 year old is entirely capable of rising to the need to live an independent adult life when they have to, and a lot of them do.
Sometimes not having such parents is a massive improvement in the happiness and improved mental state of a 15 or 16 year old, and the way in which years of parent-induced depression is best dealt with and healing to take place.
The more Greta steps away from her deranged parental Guardians the chances for her future peace-of-mind and relief from mental stress can turn into relative happiness, if she’s capable of organizing to sustain living an independent adult life, and providing for herself, 24/7 without assistance.
Having abandoned early education is a bigger problem which will probably stymie her ability to become a fully independent adult and make her life tougher on top of the ignorant angry nonsense she’s involved in now. No doubt she will remain on a financial drip-feed within the green-jabberwocky if she sticks to the script (unlikely) and can attract media coverage.
As defined by Swedish law the age of consent (Sexual) is 15. The age at which someone is considered as “coming of age” or an adult is 18.
Yes, at 15 in Australia, you can leave home *IF* you can provide for yourself. Legally, that still is not considered an adult.
Everyone should read this from
A C Osborn December 31, 2019 at 1:34 am here at WUWT
“I suggest that you all read this investigation in to Greta’s background. It lays out how she got where she is now, what groups back her with cash & support and who her handlers are.
http://www.theartofannihilation.com/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-political-economy-of-the-non-profit-industrial-complex/“
From Daddy’s timeline given in the interview ……. well it just doesn’t add up. He’s spouting bullsh*t.
Poor Greta. Her “activism” is clearly a newfound compensation behavior for some serious condition. It won’t last forever; and then, what will happen?
The interview clearly kills dead the argument I’ve seen here numerous times: that her parents put her up to it/pushed her into it…
You’re not really worth the comment but since I’m already here ….. Do you believe her or her Daddy or your own lying eyes and ears?
Last Sunday, The Sunday Times carried a charming picture of Greta Thunberg relaxing in the snow with her Labrador, Roxy….
Clearly, no-one has explained to her that, due to the amount of meat they eat, a big dog has the same ‘carbon footprint’ as a Toyota Landcruiser….
Apparently, she has TWO dogs…
How DARE she..!
Both Greta’s dogs have chosen to be vegans. Totally voluntarily. Please applaud their choice.
From the article: “Millions of people have been inspired to join the 16-year-old in raising awareness of environmental issues.”
How do we know this? Has anyone talked to all these supposed millions of people about their motivations? Methinks this is just more media human-caused climate change hype.
And have “millions” of people been out protesting a lack of action from government over CO2 reduction? Not that I can tell. Anyone have any actual numbers? Jane Fonda is still getting arrested every Friday, but that doesn’t amount to millions of people.
Dear Greta,
This one is for you: Bobby McFerrin – Don’t Worry Be Happy
Happy new year!
Kind regards,
Scarface
What doesn’t add up is the fact that both Greta and her sister have been diagnosed with Asperger’s, although it has a genetic component, the estimated number of people worldwide is 37.2 million, with the ratio of male to female about 3:1. 37.2 million represents a rate of 0.5%, of which females form 0.15%. The risk of a sibling also having Asperger’s is around 19%., but the risk of a younger female sibling is 9%.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2011/08/15/139587398/younger-siblings-of-autistic-kids-their-risk-greater-than-thought
There are other syndromes that can cause autistic type behaviour.
I looked up “gaslighting”; this is worth reading:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201701/11-warning-signs-gaslighting
The technique sure sounds familiar……
In another 12 years Greta will be in her late 20’s, and the amount of man made CO2 in the air will be much higher than today. At about that time it will become obvious that her childhood doom porn was false, no climate disaster, no significant temperature rise, maybe even colder. It will be interesting to hear what she has to say about it as an adult, assuming she still wants to talk with the press. My suspicion is she will be permanently silenced by her NGO backers before that happens.
Discussions about child abuse are not baseless, when you consider a father who outright admits that he is worried, and yet he allows Greta to continue in the very course of action that causes his worry.
If a parent is worried that a child will be harmed by a gun, then the parent does what? — continue to allow access to the gun and merely say, “I’m worried”? Come on! A truly worried father would take some sort of protective action, and so by NOT taking action, he is enforcing the very thing he claims is a worry, which is somewhat negligent in my view, hence abuse by inaction.
Greta is allowed to foster hate in herself towards others, and she is allowed to foster hate towards her by others. What would a responsible parent do about this?
The words, “liar”, and “hypocrite” come to mind, once again.
There’s a lot less a father (or mother) can do once a girl gets age 16 within most countries in Europe. All she has to do is demonstrate an ability to pay her own way, via whatever means, and she can do basically almost anything she wants to from there, as effectively an independent adult.
The truth is her father and mother were parental train-wrecks for her, and Greta would be much better off trying to build her own independent life (and mind) away from their control or damaging close influences from here. She would then at least have a chance for finding relative peace of mind and happiness.
Her parents represent to her a whole bunch of very, very unhappy memories and times, and those memories have terrible emotions and scars attached with them. The past thing she needs right now is to be reminded of and to re-‘live’ of her miserable younger years and feelings, or her parent’s deranged doom BS. Being under the control of her parents clearly did her no good, and she’s much too old now (17 within days) for the State to have a reason to be involved (as long as she’s more or less functionally Independent).
It’s time for her to become financially independent and grow up, and spend several years away from her parents, seeing them almost not at all until she’s prepared to engage with her family again as an independent adult, with a much more mature and settled mind.
I hope she gets to that.
“The past thing she needs right now …”
Should read, “… the last thing …”.
Just for interest I googled “16 year old girls” on duck duck go and then googled “16 year old women and clicked on images. Guess what? Practically all the same pictures but I did not find Greta any place. So what is she, a girl child or a childish woman or something else altogether?
In many countries she would be married by now. In others she would be working. In yet others she would have very little chance of gaining an education.
In many, including Sweden, she should be in the first year of high school and looking forward to a bright future.
That is, if climate alarmists had not frightened her half to death.
But she’s so happy in her misguided angst and hatred.
Playing with fire makes some children very happy, and that’s reason enough NOT to steer them towards a more balanced perspective of combustion, right?
Some of my experience has shown me that emotionally troubled people seek out sanctuaries in fanatical discipline. I had a friend who was a serious drug addict — he eventually turned to God and to fitness to sublimate his deeper issues. Sadly, he failed repeatedly, and I watched a gifted, highly intelligent person destroy himself in his desperation and failure to overcome it by more rational means. I had another friend — similar scenario, except he just destroyed himself without any attempt even at sublimating his addiction.
I get the impression that some people (more than we might expect) turn to religion as an alternative to confronting their problem head on, trying to seek happiness outside themselves where it ultimately does not exist. They find momentary intense purpose in this, either one day crashing or living a life of continual avoidance of their own deeper misery.
For Greta, climate activism seems to take on such an appearance of religion. She has found momentary intense purpose, and this intensity is enabled, supported, and encouraged, either actively or passively by doing nothing to alter her approach.
So, my question would be, “Are all claims in the article below lies?”
Can one young girl inspire mass followings alone, without coaching, without some sort of financing?
“What is the plan when Greta realises she has failed?”
I wonder what will happen when Greta realises that she was just a prop and she was lied to by all those around her? Will she even care or just ignore reality.
PS. When does Greta visit China? I would pay dearly to be a fly on the wall with Greta and Xi talking. LOL>
Arkencide
Eric
As your country burns and lives are being lost (due is part – at least – to our warming world), you choose to write a sneering article about a teenage girl with an opinion. Wow. I don’t agree with everything she says, but I’d rather have young people who are thinking about issues, than those that don’t.
Like Tesla 3’s, you have no idea what you are talking about with regards to fires in Australia.
Mr “Patrick electric cars has differentials”
Can we assume by your off topic taunt that you are still smarting from being caught publicly showing your ignorance of the mechanics of an electric vehicle? I think so.
“Simon December 31, 2019 at 8:15 pm
Can we assume by your off topic taunt that you are still smarting from being caught publicly showing your ignorance of the mechanics of an electric vehicle? I think so.”
The link you posted in the other thread; https://www.popsci.com/tesla-model-3-track-mode/
From your linked article; “The Model 3 doesn’t have a limited-slip differential on the wheels, which would allow for different amounts of torque to be sent to each wheel. Instead, it has an open differential, which sends equal amounts of torque to each wheel.”
What were saying about my ignorance of how to power two wheels that share a single axle with one power input without axle/transmission windup/damage and excessive tyre wear? Yes, that’s right, you install a diff, limited-slip or otherwise!!! Two wheel drive Tesla’s have one motor (Rear only), four wheel drive Tesla’s have two.
“As your country burns and lives are being lost (due is part – at least – to our warming world) …”
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Utter rot Simon, bush fires have nothing to do with your CO2 doom-religion fear pathology. If zero CO2 was emitted by humans for the next thousand years it would make not one less bushfire in Australia over that period. You have no clue at all if you think it would.
Get over your CO2 phobia and the projecting of a religious-apocalypse into every natural event.
WXcycles
Mmmm … the planet warms, the ground is dryer, the plants burn, the people suffer. Nothing religious about that.
There is if you want to pretend CO2 from humans is responsible for natural processes like bushfire seasons. Yes, there’s a season for them. We have a wet-season in the north, and a bushfire-season in the south, every Summer. Sometimes the wet-season brings big cyclones, sometimes the fire-season brings big fires. It’s been like this ever since met records were first kept in the 1850s, and the media wrote about it, and poets also, prior to this.
WXcycles
And where does this disaster sit on the scale of things in your experience, coz in my from what I have seen and read this is right up there. Like I say, when the air is warmer (and it is) and things are drier (and they are) it is only reasonable to look at all the possible causes. So I am not pretending anything with regard to CO2. I’m reading the facts.
I suggest you look up the history of Australian bush fires going back to about 1850.
When white man arrived in OZ, he royally screwed up the environment by getting rid of the Aborigines who did a splendid job for 1000s of years looking after the place, introduced sheep, then rabbits, and each time made stuff worse and worse.
The joke is, there are many years between 1900 and 2019 which had worse fires than today, but they don’t get a mention anywhere on the global AGW religion rich BBC et al.
If I were a Casawary, I would go after the whites first and kill them all, then the sheep, leaving only native species alone, then kill the anyone left from the mass media still alive.
Different take from the same BBC interview:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/gretas-dad-climate-change-a-question-her-activism-a-bad-idea
In any sane world, this would never be allowed. The exploitation of a child. Sad.