Climate Activists Aren’t Joking

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Saving the planet: the all-purpose, never-ending justification for more taxes, control, and deprivation.


Belgian philosopher Drieu Godefridi has a new book, short enough to be read over two evenings. The French-language edition is titled: L’écologisme, nouveau totalitarisme? which translates roughly as: Is Environmentalism the New Totalitarianism?

The English-language edition, newly available as a Kindle e-book as well as a paperback, doesn’t beat around the bush. It’s titled The Green Reich: Global Warming to the Green Tyranny.

Godefridi says we have good reason to be alarmed. Not by climate change, but by the endless, hazardous-to-humans measures that activists propose in response.

In order to prevent climate-induced economic harm sometime in the future, these people plan to devastate the economy now. They make no secret of their intent to shut down virtually all human activity, including travel and trade.

This, says Godefridi, makes environmentalism more “ambitious in its desire to subdue” humanity “than any previous doctrine.” Unlike Marxism, he writes,

Environmentalism does not intend to seize the means of production to increase and distribute the fruits in an equal manner. Environmentalism plans to seize the means of production to stop it. [bold added]

Climate activists believe human produced CO2 is endangering the planet. Since everything we do generates CO2 – including breathing – that makes us the enemy. In Godefridi’s words, the Soviet citizen

was tightly policed, oppressed, and materially limited when he was not being deported [to] the Gulag and killed. However, he was never considered…as a problem in himself. [bold added]

Long before the violence started, Germany’s Nazis were plainspoken about who was the enemy. They didn’t hide their intentions. ‘Never again,’ is meaningless, says Godefridi, if we refuse to see what’s happening in front of our noses.

Traditionally, international travel has been considered an economic, intellectual, even moral good. Go learn about other cultures. Don’t be so parochial.

Climate activists are cut from different cloth. Godefridi says it’s time to stop imagining they’re joking. UK activist journalist George Monbiot declares air travel “one of the most destructive activities on Earth.” His idea of a “socially just solution” involves the steady scaling down of the industry.

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Rather than flying from North America back to Europe in an airplane within hours, climate activist Greta Thunberg departed North America on Nov. 12 aboard a boat. Five days ago, she said she hopes to arrive in Portugal “sometime in early December.”

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Ordinary people can’t afford to take a month out of their lives to cross the ocean. But once climate activists are in charge, all other options will be banned.

A headline in the India Times declares Greta “The Role Model Everyone Needs.”

An employee of the David Suzuki Foundation, writing in Canada’s largest newspaper, says Greta is “an inspiration to millions of people for a multitude of reasons.”

The founder of Women Who Sail says Greta “is the great saint of our time.”

In every corner of every local, provincial, national, and international organization, Greta’s worldview is being promoted. Climate activists are working tirelessly, behind the scenes, to make it everyone’s reality.

These people don’t value human accomplishment or technology. They don’t value your time. Nor do they value your freedom. They’re extremists who are prepared to sacrifice everything ‘for the good of the planet.’

We need to read Godefridi’s book. And re-read it. Before it’s too late.

The Green Reich: Global warming to the Green Tyranny
Drieu Godefridi

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Bryan A
November 27, 2019 10:10 am

It should be mandatory reading in every grade in School. Especially in Social Studies and History (and economics and Home Ec and Math and PE and English and Wood Shop and Auto Shop and Art etc.)

Reply to  Bryan A
November 27, 2019 12:28 pm

Home Ec, Wood Shop, Auto Shop, where have you been?

Bryan A
Reply to  Scissor
November 27, 2019 2:11 pm

I gradgiated in 1980

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Bryan A
November 28, 2019 5:26 am

And beginning in 1980 the “politically correct” lefty liberal socialists took control of the public school curriculum and said Home Ec, Wood Shop, Auto Shop, etc., …… were hastily removed and replaced with the “brainwashing” of socially/culturally redeeming “feel good” subject matter.

Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
November 28, 2019 6:58 am

The question is not why extremists propose the insane; the question SHOULD be why we, the 99.7% of the sane world, keep rolling over to them. Ponder THAT!

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
November 28, 2019 10:28 am

But, but, ….. Goldrider, ……we, the 99.7% of the sane world, …… are still far, far outnumbered by those in/of the insane world.

The latter are the ones that are supporting those “socialist” POTUS candidates and the administrators, teachers and curriculum of the public school system.

Malcolm andrew bryer
Reply to  Bryan A
November 27, 2019 11:40 pm

Green reich? yes! Yes! A thousand times, YES! Of course it is the new totalitanism.It has been staring us in the face for the last 30 years. Sfter the fall of the berlin Wall, the same bastards that ran East Germany and their fellow travellers simply changed the colour of their ties from Red to Green. Thge former Fasc ists were de-nazified after 1945, their brothers in the Russian sector simply carried on as usual so they are used to switching sides, as the power hungry always are. There is not an imaginary Red under the Bed, there is a real live Green one.

Reply to  Bryan A
November 28, 2019 3:53 am

Belgian philosopher Drieu Godefridi’s new book “The Green Reich: Global Warming to the Green Tyranny” is correct in its assessment. Radical-green extremism was never about the environment – it was always a false crisis, a smokescreen for their true objective, the totalitarian control of our society.

Many “green” politicians covertly or openly favour a Chinese-style dictatorship. They continue to sabotage our energy systems with deeply-flawed intermittent energy schemes that destabilize the electrical grid and could lead to major catastrophes, especially if grids go offline in winter.

The true radical-green objective is to create an economic disaster, like Venezuela or Zimbabwe, as a means of gaining total political control. The radical greens have already gained control of most of our educational and professional institutions as a means to achieve their objectives.

Told you so.

Regards, Allan


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November 27, 2019 10:21 am

A German version will be appreciated too 😀

Jonathan Ranes
November 27, 2019 10:31 am

We need a separation of science and religion, going forward anyone who claims to be able to save the world or your soul should be classified as a religious leader and not allowed to conduct public science. PERIOD

Reply to  Jonathan Ranes
November 27, 2019 12:00 pm

Indeed, Jonathan. If any more proof that AGW/CC is a religion is needed, it’s this.

“The founder of Women Who Sail says Greta “is the great saint of our time.””

Linda Goodman
November 27, 2019 10:38 am

Imagine a world where the climate change fraud succeeds and everyone on the planet is controlled and restricted into misery by a tiny technocratic elite reducing the population as they promised to for decades. But everyone is so poor we can barely feed ourselves with our measly carbon points, let alone rebel. What would you have done differently to stop them while the window of opportunity was open? Carbon: 6 protons, 6 neutrons & 6 electrons. Globalists: psychopaths.

Bryan A
Reply to  Linda Goodman
November 27, 2019 12:08 pm

Imagine a world where the climate change fraud succeeds and everyone on the planet is controlled and restricted into misery by a tiny technocratic elite reducing the population as they promised to for decades. But everyone is so poor we can barely feed ourselves
Already imagined in 1973

Soylent Green!!!

Reply to  Bryan A
November 27, 2019 12:45 pm

The Soylent Green New Deal; first they take away your means of defense.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Bryan A
November 27, 2019 3:29 pm

Make Room! Make Room!

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Linda Goodman
November 27, 2019 12:39 pm

“But everyone is so poor we can barely feed ourselves with our measly carbon points, let alone rebel …”.

A dystopia along those lines was the theme of Ayn Rand’s novella ‘Anthem’ (1938):

Bryan A
Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 27, 2019 2:13 pm

Ayn Rand
A writer far ahead of her time

Andy Mansell
Reply to  Bryan A
November 27, 2019 10:43 pm

Indeed she was- I bought Atlas Shrugged for my son and he agrees that it’s quite scary to see how much of it seems to be happening right now.

Andy Mansell
Reply to  Bryan A
November 27, 2019 11:06 pm

Another example of chillingly accurate fiction was the 60s TV series ‘The Prisoner’. Watch it, then remind yourself that they thought it was pure fantasy.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 28, 2019 4:30 pm

Yeah, I’m livin’ that “dystopia” right now–it’s called “Anthem” Blue Cross Blue Shield!

November 27, 2019 10:39 am

But “obviously”, the book is all hate speech. Even if that were true, sometimes, certain things deserve hate.

November 27, 2019 10:45 am

The climate crusades are 99 percent ad placement advocacy and 0.04 percent science. The rest is fill in the blank.

November 27, 2019 10:50 am

Little by little people are waking up to the true purpose of the AGW meme. Right now it’s chipping away at our freedoms and prosperity but people will only take so much before telling the king he has no clothes on. The Marxist/Socialist plan is bold but over reaching for any ideology.

Reply to  markl
November 27, 2019 1:54 pm

Well, thank God that one of the, Markl, is President Trump.

November 27, 2019 10:50 am

When the “solutions” will inflict more suffering on a greater slice of humanity than the supposed “problem” would have inflicted in the first place, we know we’re in cloud cukoo land.

(or the cooked-up “anthropocene”)

Ed Zuiderwijk
November 27, 2019 10:50 am

I’m sure there are list being made, with your and possibly my name on it. Enemies of humanity, ‘deniers’ of progress.

Perhaps it is time for another list to be made as well, with the names of leading eco-fascists. Publish on-line and update regularly. The general public, when they realise how the green idiocy has robbed them of a reliable energy and food supply and robbed their children of their future, would find it an invaluable resource.

Patrick Hrushowy
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
November 27, 2019 12:38 pm

Eco-Taliban, is what they are,

Bryan A
Reply to  Patrick Hrushowy
November 27, 2019 2:14 pm

Climate Dystopics

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Bryan A
November 27, 2019 9:06 pm

Climate is just the current excuse (they’ve used others in the past).

They are simply Dystopic.

November 27, 2019 10:58 am

How can junk science that can be falsified in many ways have gained so much traction? It couldn’t be more obvious how wrong they are, yet even many skeptics can’t see through the fog of deception that has poisoned climate science since the inception of the IPCC.

It’s sad that even Conservation of Energy falls by the way side in order to legitimize the claim that the next Joule of incident energy from the Sun can do 3-4 times more work to sustain the planets temperature than the average Joule from the Sun. Note that while the work to increase the temperature is linear to the temperature increase, it’s irrelevant to the steady state since this occurs when dT/dt = 0. The ONLY effect that matters in establishing the steady state is the IMMUTABLE T^4 relationship between W/m^2 and temperature.

High school physics teaches that the units of work are Joules and that no one Joule can do any more work than any other, yet for the next W/m^2 of forcing to increase surface emissions by 4.3 W/m^2 as required by the nominal sensitivity, the next Joule must be far more powerful than any other. The input to the system is Joules and the output is not a temperature, as incorrectly framed by the IPCC, but is the emissions of Joules which corresponds to an equivalent temperature. Joules must be conserved and there are NO EXCEPTIONS.

Even many skeptics miss this obvious fact because of how the IPCC has framed the ECS as resulting in an incremental temperature increase, rather than properly considering it as an absolute increase in surface emissions. They did this to separate the effect of the next Joule from the constraints of conservation allowing the next Joule to have the arbitrarily large effect required to support the UNFCCC’s repressive agenda.

They then misapply feedback to linearize the non linear and fake out plausibility for their obvious violations of first principles.

Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 12:52 pm

“How can junk science that can be falsified in many ways have gained so much traction?”

A really good question. I wondered a lot about that too.

Some possible answers. (1) You repeat a lie often enough and people come to believe it is true. (2) Most people are scientifically illiterate. They can’t tell the difference between junk science and real science. (3) Most people today live in urban areas and are separated from the natural world. They are out of touch with the ways the natural world works and their main connection to the natural world is through television documentaries. (4) We live in a world where being “cool” is really important. Kids learn cool in school from an early age. They rapidly realize that the only sin in the movies or on television is to not be cool. Global warming is (pardon the unavoidable pun) “cool.” (5) The mainstream news media has abandoned truth and accuracy. (6) The university scientists, who ought to be speaking out, are too cowardly to forcefully and openly say that the science behind global warming is junk.

Probably it’s a combination of these reasons. My guess is that historians will be writing books in the centuries to come asking how so many people came to believe such garbage so fanatically.

Reply to  Marty
November 27, 2019 1:16 pm

“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”

― George Orwell, 1984

We’ll see who controls the present when the history of this is written…

Bryan A
Reply to  Dave
November 27, 2019 2:16 pm

The facts matter very little…
He who wins the War gets to write the History

Reply to  Marty
November 27, 2019 5:34 pm

I can’t ever remember wanting to be “cool”. I was a bit embarrassed once when an Aunt bought me a Roy Rogers shirt, hat, and gun belt. When we played wargames and Cowboys and Indians we mostly used finger guns, wood guns, and sometimes cap guns. The load time always got the cap shooters killed by their reload time.

CO2is not evil is right. The IPCC, by edict, only sought research that might show how mankind was CHANGING the climate. Really nothing to do with climate science and a many headed hydra of misinformation.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 12:57 pm

Co2: Despite having falsified the whole premise we are losing. This is because science isnt the issue now. They have moved on to unsupported impending doom. Sceptics have been letting the phillistines draw the lines for engagement and the phills have deftly gone around us leaving us tied up in fruitless scientific argument.

Better than the most brilliant falsification argument is the reality elephant in the room to take down the New Green Deal tyranny. That, friends, is to hammer on the fact that GND stuff is also moot and academic. The ‘Wests’ puny efforts will not prevent CO2 from bounding ever higher. It is likely to even accelerate with tens of thousands of new coal fired units in China and India and thousands more in the rest of Asia and Africa in the wings.

There will be no stopping the Great Burgening Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Experiment from continuing through this Century and beyond. We will double and more the ‘pre industrial rev CO2. We will know what the ECS turns out to be. We will know what the C02 cost benefit turns out to be.

That will be a tough argument for the totalitarians to deal with.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
November 27, 2019 3:07 pm

If a solid scientific argument showing how the ECS assumed by the IPCC can be trivially falsified isn’t sufficient, I don’t know how a solid efficacy argument against the proposed remedies will work either. Neither the scientific or economic truth really matters to most alarmists, as both the science and economics are beyond their understanding. To the ignorant masses, it’s either about virtue signaling their conformance to a political ideology or they’ve fallen prey to the fear mongering.

Even a future with 1000ppm CO2 and little if any warming, or even a new LIA, will not sway the true believers. Unfortunately, the casualties for adherence to a political ideology (it doesn’t matter which one) are logic, reason and the truth.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 3:56 pm

You said, “… even a new LIA, will not sway the true believers.”
It is a badge of honor to resist logic, lest they be ridiculed as “Ye of little faith.”

Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 5:39 pm

the Eco-Fascists are not interested in the climate, but political power. I believe all of the hubbub has been funded by various wealthy individuals and foundations to that end. The may be very surprised when people start to see through the curtain.

Honest liberty
Reply to  Philo
November 28, 2019 6:35 pm

The (((people))) behind the curtain

Joseph murphy
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 5:59 pm

Co2, those are well written paragraphs. Thank you

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Yours is an important point if science is to be considered, rather than gossip pseudo-science. Others like Monckton of Brenchley point to the need for correct assumptions about temperatures to which SB math are to be applied. Some say this particular train has departed. But nobody has produced a foil that explains the discrepancies as you note.
FWIW, my personal view as a scientist is that the foundational science of global warming hypotheses and offspring are wrong and they are so important to most subsequent conclusions from alarmists that they should be the main focus of attack by proper scientists. Tora, Tora, Tora.
The alarmist hypothesis requires feedback. In the near-absence of observations supporting significant feedback to date (of the types discussed) one must have a sub-hypothesis that the alarmist approach to feedback is wrong in important ways.
Analogy – you are keen to get maximum performance by tweaking and tuning your new pride and joy, a classy automobile you craved since forever. In your high performance workshop, you have the latest computer-based tuning gear and swank AI software hooked up to the dyno.
Nothing seems to be successful, especially road testing. A kid wandering by says “Do you know you have a half-flat tire?”
Attack the fundamentals. Ask for the math connecting global air temperstures and CO2 concentration. A fundamental pillar.
I cannot recall another hypothesis going so far before the fundamentals have been demonstrated and quantified and accepted. The core alarmist claims are at a kindergarten level of science, with bluff and bluster winning for them with huge $$$$. Geoff S

Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
November 27, 2019 4:24 pm


I’ve said this before, but it’s worth repeating, the feedback issue is the result of misapplying Bode which by assuming an implicit power supply avoided the need to apply COE between the input and output of the gain block, thus enabling an arbitrarily high sensitivity to seem plausible. For the climate system, the output power manifested by a temperature change originates from the input forcing and does not come from an implicit, infinite power supply that doesn’t actually exist.

I’ve asked many alarmists, including many who have legitimate scientific credentials, how can the next W/m^2 increase surface LWIR emissions by 4.4 W/m^2 while the average W/m^2 arriving from the Sun contributes only 1.62 W/m^2 to the LWIR surface emissions?

Of course, there is no answer unless you violate COE, and I can show how any potential answer will, so the usual response after they’re unable to construct a rational first principles argument becomes “The climate system is more complicated than first principles”. Indeed, how it gets to where it goes is very complicated and I don’t think there’s a person on the planet who can articulate how it does. But where it goes is not, is easily measured and rapidly converges to a constant 1.62 W/m^2 of surface emissions per W/m^2 of incident forcing which is 0.62 W/m^2 more than an ideal BB which in the steady state emits an unambiguous 1 W/m^2 per W/m^2 of forcing. This relationship in both cases is the very definition of a linear relationship.

The 4.3 W/m^2 per W/m^2 of forcing required by the presumed nominal ECS is more than just unlikely, it’s absolutely impossible. Even the 2.2 W/m^2 for the lower limit of 0.4C per W/m^2 is beyond the absolute upper bound of 2 W/m^2 per W/m^2 of forcing as limited by its chaotically dynamic, semi-transparent atmosphere whose RADIANT emissions into space are equal to the RADIANT emissions returned to the surface owing to geometric concerns alone.

The primordial error was making the sensitivity per W/m^2 incremental, detaching the effect of the next W/m^2 from the average W/m^2, thus plausibly denying COE. To obfuscate this, they took a linear relationship between W/m^2 of forcing and W/m^2 of surface emissions, made it non linear by changing the output to a change in temperature and then claim it’s approximately linear around the average in order to conform to Bode’s linearity requirement for applying feedback analysis.

This leads to another question which is why call a non linear relationship between W/m^2 and temperature approximately linear around its average, when there’s an equivalent and demonstrably pre-existing linear relationship between W/m^2 of forcing and W/m^2 of LWIR emissions of the surface corresponding to its temperature?

The only reason I can think of was to obfuscate and misdirect.

James Clarke
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 4:45 pm

“How can junk science that can be falsified in many ways have gained so much traction?”

Simple answer: Humans are easily manipulated.

Human history is really a story of manipulation. It is a story of stories; of paradigms that control the population.

The human brain is a magnificent pattern recognizer, which allows humans to sit at the top of the food chain and have dominion over all we see. On the other hand, it makes us particularly susceptible to stories, which or nothing put descriptions of patterns. If the story is repeated often, and particularly by those who are given authority (which is another ‘story’ with little basis in reality), the paradigm becomes set in societal consciousness, even if it is patently false.

This has happened throughout human history and is still happening today. Those who understand the power of emotion and a good story, rule the world and usually, you and me with it. Those who reject the ruling paradigms ultimately try to set up their own ruling paradigms, or get killed.

Our brains do not allow us to live in reality. We must live within our stories of reality.

The only way to alter the climate change paradigm is to replace it with another paradigm. Belgian philosopher Drieu Godefridi is doing just that with his little book. It is an emotional story that needs to be repeated often and everywhere to make a difference! “…we have good reason to be alarmed. Not by climate change, but by the endless, hazardous-to-humans measures that activists propose in response.” They activists are the threats to humanity!”

Paul Penrose
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 29, 2019 8:26 am

Since most people (including many “climate scientists” it seems) don’t know the difference between accuracy and precision, nor what temperature is really a measurement of, it’s no surprise that they have been fooled. Add to that the propensity of humans to expect that there’s danger/disaster just around the corner, “waiting for the other shoe to drop”, and it’s not really that hard to sell these stories of impending doom.

“No boom today; boom tomorrow. Always boom tomorrow.” – Susan Ivanova, Babylon 5.

John Bell
November 27, 2019 11:27 am

Do the activists realize that they will be subject to the same restrictions, etc? Or do they think that they will be in charge of every one else and will be able to live lives of comfort? I suppose leftists are not so great at seeing what they do not want to see.

Reply to  John Bell
November 27, 2019 11:35 am

Cult members believe they are serving the greater good.
The wealthy politically connected cult members will support the foot soldiers.

November 27, 2019 11:32 am

The dedicated ones will lock arms and block roads, access to airports, rail lines carrying food, etc. They will be supported by gifts from like minded but affluent cult members.

John Robertson
November 27, 2019 11:43 am

“Is Environmentalism the New Totalitarianism?”
Why the question ?
Eventually we will suffer enough abuse and vandalism from these emotionally excited persons to react.
Most of us know,You cannot cure stupid.
There is no “cure”.
Banishment is the only viable civil solution.
I refuse to imprison these fools, why should we feed them?
They despise our technological society,they demand we refuse the luxuries that cheap energy brings us and they now actively seek to disrupt and destroy our civilization.

I cannot wait,let them demonstrate this “Carbon Free” life.
The Hippies were endlessly annoying but they at least went out and tried their “New/old” ideas.
These fanatics are even more futile than the Hippies(Who are mostly fine business bandits today) They do nothing,except demand we suffer for their beliefs.
That is one repulsive religion.
Time they got to walk the life they talk..
For reason will not reach them,they know so much that is not so and even more that has never been so,only living by their own standards might they FEEL enough pain top begin to reason.

However this level of delusion is far too dangerous to allow it to fester within our power structures and governments.
A purge is required.
Banish Gang Green.
I recommend Coates Island in Hudson Bay as the perfect location.
Remember according to Gang Green it is warming at twice the rate of everywhere else.
Now the truly scary part of this is I am no longer being sarcastic.

Bryan A
Reply to  John Robertson
November 27, 2019 12:15 pm

I vote for Guam.
Let them see a(n) (un)real tipping point

OR stand them at the water line in Samoa, the Maldives and Kiribati so they can see the oceans aren’t rising cataclysmically

Reply to  John Robertson
November 27, 2019 12:34 pm

“According to Gang Green it is warming at twice the rate of everywhere else”

Maybe they are trying to leak a concealed fact, indeed, the only physical solution to this statement is that each warming rate is ZERO.


Reply to  John Robertson
November 27, 2019 12:56 pm

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

The totalitarian goals are the same, that is, dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, except that the politics are different. This tells me that left/right politics is irrelevant when it comes to the desire to exert fascist control upon society.

The last time an ideology pursued this kind of attack against freedom, the response was WWII. In pre-WWII Europe, fascism took hold because propaganda wildly misinformed the public. History is repeating itself, except that this time, the Internet amplifies the propaganda by orders of magnitude lending it even more fake legitimacy then it would have had coming from state controlled media. Too bad this isn’t being noticed.

Bryan A
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 2:18 pm

But someone can be SO FAR LEFT that they actually appear to be Uber Right

Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 2:33 pm

Even the fascists were quite open about how socialist was their economic goal.
There is nothing right wing about fascism.

jo blo
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 3:18 pm

Facism is just the Italian word for collectivism – it alludes to a bundle of sticks being stronger than an individual. It was a very popular ideology among intellectuals, radicals, progressives and all the leftist scum, right up until Hitler attacked the Soviets – thus violating his agreement to split Eastern Europe with them.

Big govt (collectivism) is the opposite of a ‘right wing ‘ ideal. Facism, socialism, nazism are subcategories of collectivism . Left wingers love to stupidify discussion.

Andy Mansell
Reply to  jo blo
November 27, 2019 11:56 pm

I had an argument with a snowflake a few years ago on Twitter. It posted ‘Donald Trump is literally Hitler!’- I was never sure what had triggered it. I pointed out that; A- Donald Trump is ‘literally’ Donald Trump, and B- Hitler was a socialist and I don’t think Trump is a socialist. The abuse rained down on me- I was stupid, ignorant, needed to CHECK MY FACTS!, (their capitals). I replied that it should go away and check the historical facts and then come back and apologize, and that I would wait whilst it did so.

shortus cynicus
Reply to  Andy Mansell
November 28, 2019 2:48 am

97% of experts on Fascism agree that it is leftism ideology.

Ref: Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn “Leftism: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse”.

Newer one is: “Leftism Revisited: From De Sade and Marx to Hitler and Pol Pot”, available only as printed version.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  jo blo
November 28, 2019 5:13 am

The difference between fascism and nazism is the mainly the way the industry is run.
The fascist system wants government to own and run the industry.
The nazist system wants privates to own, but government to control the industry.

So which of the two systems does the Green adhere to?
Personally I see them somewhere in between, but mostly nazi as they seem to prefer just to control the industry, but not to own the industry they prefer to shut down anyway.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 3:41 pm

The MSM is the primary propaganda arm of alarmism. We should be thankful that we have the internet to provide a counter to newspapers and magazines that refuse to print Letters to the Editor pointing out the misstatement of facts.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 6:31 pm


The Right is an expression of personal freedom. Freedom in some cases to take your stuff and pay you minimum wage, but we will get back to that.

Take freedom to the extreme right and you have no rules at all restricting you. Far Right is Anarchy.

The Left is about fairness. In a Left world no one should have statistically more than the others, as that would be unfair. The problem is how do you define ‘fair’? Well, you literally define it with rules. Lots of rules. And then create people to enforce the rules to make sure no one is avoiding their fairness quota.

The Left is all about taking away the freedom and replacing it with the fair. In a perfect Left world everything would be fair because there would be rules for everything and everyone would know their place.

And if they didn’t know their place they would be re-educated in the middle of the night.

The Left don’t see a problem with this, not so much because all of them are closest dictatorial fascists seeking to destroy personal freedoms, but because they always cast themselves as the sort of person who will be organising the rules and organising the community – for their own good, of course.

The Left is totalitarian. For their own good of course, but totalitarian all the same. Fascism is a Left concept. The only real difference between Socialism is that Fascism doesn’t pretend to select a leader from the pool of comrades. The ‘Committee’ (aka Stalin) doesn’t run the state, the leader does, but you still have a state which is organised (for it’s own good) from the top down and opposition (again for their own good) are removed.

Why do the Left nominally hate Fascism when it is actually the utopia they desire? Lack of self awareness? Labelling (the Left love their labels)? The fact they hate anyone who isn’t EXACTLY like them? (The left love their open mindedness…/snark)

To be honest I feel one of the reasons the Left ‘reject’ Fascism is it is control of the nation state, and the Globalists hate nations. Fascism is simply too small an objective. Why rule a nation when you can rule the world?

So. Fascists = Left. Far Right = Anarchists. Everyone paying attention so far?

So, if Fascists are bad, then Anarchists are good, right? No.

As mentioned before there is the freedom to pay your workers bits of sand and bread crumbs, or to word it another way, exploit them till they drop. Is that a good thing? Of course not. It is not sustainable. You either need a method to enforce it (hello? Fascism? Need some oppressive rules to control the workers! For their own good of course!) or the freedom in your society means your oppressed worker vote with their feet and you need to offer them TWO bread crumbs a day in order to win them back.

That is how society works. Constant compromise until parties have a solution they are at least willing to accept for the short term. Push too far towards freedom and it is the rule of the strong oppressing the weak. Push too far towards fairness and it is the rule of the rule maker oppressing everyone. Society balances somewhere in the middle.

But Fascism is LEFT WING. Only a authoritarian wishing to control the debate would tell you otherwise.

shortus cynicus
Reply to  Craig from Oz
November 28, 2019 2:56 am

Anarchy means „without rullers“.
If anyone likes to be rulled, pls. send me your money, I am your King by the power of my own declaration.
Anyone who refuses to send me his income is ‘literally’ an anarchist.

Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 27, 2019 7:26 pm

Yes. fascism is not intrinsically ‘far right’ as the definition would suggest. It came from wikipedia via a google search, so what do you expect.

You should try the same search on ‘climate change definition’ which infers that only CO2 can change the climate.

Reply to  John Robertson
November 27, 2019 2:50 pm

South Georgia

November 27, 2019 12:09 pm

I immediately bought a copy. Thanks!

Coeur de Lion
November 27, 2019 12:24 pm

I have faith in the billions of people on this planet who are not white middle-class literate largely english speaking 20 to 40 year olds of whatever belief in this argument. Take a trip to say Vientiane and walkabout for a coupla weeks. By now with a bit of luck the Chinese Thai banking consortium is doing something about electricity. Let me know.

Gary D.
November 27, 2019 12:39 pm

Whatever adults might be left in the room missed their opportunity to nip a lot of this in the bud in 2008. According to the Grauniad “Six Greenpeace climate change activists have been cleared of causing £30,000 of criminal damage at a coal-fired power station”
A jury decided what they did, “supported the right to take direct action in order to protect the climate,”
This decision encouraged the violent and vengeful left to increase their tactics to force the world to adhere to their version of utopia.

Martin Howard Keith Brumby
Reply to  Gary D.
November 27, 2019 4:38 pm

Totally agree.
But I have absolutely no doubt that Gordon Brown and his sock puppet Ed Miliband and the rest of the Labia Government did everything they could to make sure they lost the trial.
Don’t forget that this was just before the Climate Change Act went through Parliament.
The defence was allowed to have Jolly Jim Hansen making preposterous claims, with a tame Native American stooge ramping up the emotion.
The (Government) prosecution could easily have found a score of real scientists to rubbish Hansen and Big Chief Shitting Bull but declined to do so. They could have made obvious legal arguments that £30,000 of criminal damage isn’t justified by the Greenies’ alleged anxieties.
But they bottled it and have also deliberately thrown every other subsequent legal action under the bus. The present Tories have continued this policy until the ER loonies of today.
As a footnote to the Kingsnorth escapade, the Power Station pulled out of their plans to modernise and improve efficiency and anti-pollution measures after sock-puppet Ed decreed that their plans (for which the Generators were paying) could only be permitted if Carbon Capture and Storage was added.
More than a decade later CCS still doesn’t work (let alone make sense economically) and all the Power Stations are being demolished, one by one.

I think violence seldom can be justified, whilst part of me still dreams of living to see Miliband’s stupid head on a pikestaff outside the Tower of London. But I do know I would hesitate to piss on him, if I was passing and he was on fire.

Ron Long
November 27, 2019 12:43 pm

Wow! Looks like we might be making progress! I just saw on TV a list of the Democrats priorities, from a poll, and Climate Change was next to last, and Impeachment was last. Somebody is doing something right.

steve case
November 27, 2019 12:49 pm

Another depressing post here at WattsUpWithThat

Here’s a little ditty from my file of quotes & smart remarks – the scope a little larger the alarm a little less.

The 2016 election was a repudiation of what is commonly known as “Political Correctness” A huge segment of the population is sick and tired of the smug sanctimonious arrogant hypocritical double standards being jammed down their throats by Hollywood, the so-called mainstream media, academia and the political left in general. Climate Change is a poster child for all of that but it’s only a pimple in the festering carbuncle that has taken up residence on the ass of the United States of America, and the rest of the world for that matter, for way too long.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  steve case
November 27, 2019 3:49 pm

steve case
“smug sanctimonious arrogant hypocritical double standards”
Those are some of the same words that I have put on a list to describe liberals in general, and particularly climate alarmists. I would add to those, “whiny, condescending, self-righteous, pretentious, and insufferable.”

steve case
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
November 30, 2019 8:57 am


That’s from a post I made on another forum several years ago – which I just reviewed and copied out for my “little” file. I didn’t provide any attribute in that old post and I thought to myself, “Did I really write that?” Well now I’m guessing I got that somewhere and you’re the somewhere.

I’ll add “whiny, condescending, self-righteous, pretentious, and insufferable.” to my list and give you some attribution if I use it – I probably will (-:

Schrodinger's Cat
November 27, 2019 12:59 pm

If the climate assumptions were correct, we would know about it by now and there would be no debate, but it could take a long time for believers to accept that their catastrophic warming is not going to happen.

We are travelling along the above sentence at quite a slow speed.

November 27, 2019 12:59 pm

Where is that picture of Cook in full uniform, or that picture of the great “SuperMandia”?

Bruce Cobb
November 27, 2019 1:06 pm

“Climate Activists Aren’t Joking”
And, neither are we.
They started the Climate War,
But we’ll finish it.

November 27, 2019 1:13 pm

My response to this is simple: if they are really this dedicated to saving the planet (whatever that means; I think the planet can pretty well take care of itself), they should be the first to volunteer to do what they want the rest of us to do, preferably on an island in the Antarctic region.

There are several reasons for my view:
1 – I do not believe they would survive for very long
2 – They are all talk and no show.
3 – Everything they wear, eat, and use is made by “other”; they have yet to show me/us any productive stuff on their part.
4 – They are only after attention, which is why they are so loud and noisy about it.

If they put their money where their mouths are, I will certainly allow them up to three years to prove themselves. Otherwise, they are just lying, money-grubbing attention addicts.

Reply to  Sara
November 28, 2019 6:00 am

Stop feeding them and they go away.

November 27, 2019 1:17 pm

Beware of the ambitious seeking perfection.
International Socialists were determined to create the “perfect” man.
National Socialists were out to create the “perfect” race and land space.
Today’s combination of both are determined to set the Earth’s climate at the “perfect” temperature.

November 27, 2019 1:49 pm

I have long thought that as people abandon traditional religions they grab onto things like environmentalism. I think we are hard wired for religion through natural selection. Religion provides a coping mechanism. A good parallel for environmentalism in the USA is prohibition 1920-1933 of alcoholic beverages. The religious zeal of the temperance movement is much like environmentalists push against fossil fuels.

Dr Deanster
November 27, 2019 2:42 pm

The Green Blob is just a continuation of human societal evolution …. an evolution to our eventual extinction. Technological advance in each civilization gives an advantage, and existing populations are replaced by new populations. Hunter gatherers gave way to farmers, who gave way to kingdoms with mighty warriors, who gave way to technological advances such as guns where a warrior was rendered no more superior than the puniest person alive. Communism/ socialism gave rise to a strategy of encouraging people to voluntarily give up their means of self defense. Their complete monopolization of the media and education is a new slant in this strategy where you actually brainwash future generations to be defenseless against elites. The Greens have the ambition of rolling back thousands of years of evolution for everyone but themselves …. and damned if there aren’t a bunch of fools who embrace this crap.

November 27, 2019 3:36 pm

This is a great post and book, the best I have seen on the subject.

Most commentators on this site talk of socialism, rent seekers etc. They are looking backwards.
What they don’t really fully understand what has and what is actually occurring. This is the most cohesive global momentum ever achieved so far on the march to the new world order, and it will continue to gain momentum despite any cooling that may occur. Facts are irrelevant.

Why is China quietly abolishing religion – because religious orders control the masses in a cult like manner. Up to one million in re-education camps. For the same reason why Henry number 8 abolished Catholics and Romes influence from England. Control by the King of his social and legal realm.

In the USA, is the saying God and Country ??
Haven’t elections been historically decided by certain religious congregations – Billy Graham??

Climate Change is a Global Order or religion. Remind me again what the Popes position is.

And the people of the UK are procrastinating over Brexit.

Reply to  Ozonebust
November 28, 2019 3:04 pm


John Bell
November 27, 2019 4:14 pm

So while the Left’s shrieking is getting ever louder and shriller, overall green expenditures are scaling back? We hit the peak and now things are shrinking for the green blob.

Flight Level
November 27, 2019 4:45 pm

The topmost-dog of AirFrance Mrs. Rigail (codename: Lady Wolverine) recognizes that “flight shame” will become a big problem for the industry. And declares her intentions to chew the bones of those who won’t adopt “eco piloting”.

In practice this would lead to even less “huh-huh” extra fuel reserves, compulsory retarded flap extension, mandatory big fat zero Cost Index (cost of time / cost of fuel), more pushback and taxi drama and less consideration for weather diversions.

Expect hard touchdowns as overcooked brake action and airframe fatigue count greener than reverse thrust and let’s all forget that there are moments where fuel availability actually matters.

Obviously when someone gets hurt, the aftermath would, in the absence of reachable defendants and exploitable flight recorders, conclude to pilot error.

November 27, 2019 5:59 pm

True environmentalists actually do things to improve the environment. Activists only demand that others do things they are unwilling to do themselves.
The actions of activists are always harmful and costly to someone and often to people in general.
I am generalizing but I cannot think of exceptions to the rule.

Reply to  Rick
November 27, 2019 9:46 pm

No can’t think of any as we have expensive resort towns full of the elite actorvistas-

Seriously it’s just a humble abode to bring up the kids in the same vein-

As you were deplorables as it has lots of solar panels.

Tom Gelsthorpe
Reply to  Rick
November 28, 2019 4:31 am

Tenements and trolley cars for thee. . . Palaces and limousines for me.

French geographer
November 28, 2019 2:19 am

It’s true ! Climate activists aren’t joking ! Eco-terrorists are in action in France. Four farms were burnt, five days ago, in the south-east of my country, in Drôme department, killing 23 cows and ruining 3 farmers.
See :,10,4289454091.html [Title : 23 cattle are dead in a criminal fire] The two major farmers’ syndicates (FNSEA and Jeunes Agriculteurs) denounce extremists small groups and demand a police protection for their farms !
An here :,10,4158554839.html [Title : Six antispecists activists arrested after the fire of a slaughterhouse] near Lyon, not far of Drôme, where, in the mountaneous and isolated part of this department, live many green, climate activists, “organic” producers coming from urban regions.
And in Bretagne, west of France, see the images, here : [ Title : A succession of fires in farms worries the population. Four fires took places these last weeks in farming around Callac. Farmers fear a criminal origin.]
Yesterday, farmers have demonstrated all around the main french cities with their tractors – 1000 around Paris – german farmers too and, last month, the dutchs, all denouncing the “agribashing” from the eco-activists.
We entered into the era of eco-fascism, just like Mussoloni’s black shirts in 1921, with their “manganello” (cosh) and castor oil.

November 28, 2019 7:48 am

Greta’s boat slowed down to avoid bad weather. How did they know how to navigate to avoid bad weather. Finger in the wind or modern technology.

Save the world by deprivation, and people go along with as long as they are not deprived.

Mankind has continuously improved life that would be set back to the stone age if these nut cases have their way. The destruction of entire industries could be picked up on the cheap by those determined to save us once again from going too far. In other words corruption and wealth on the cheap is behind this.

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