From an email forwarded from Matt Briggs
The Realist Catholic Climate Declaration is now live at: https://realclimate.wixsite.com/declaration
A copy is also given below.
Those wanting to sign should send an email with their name and affiliation (if any) to: realist.climate.declaration@protonmail.com
Please share this as widely as possible. With the concept of “eco-sins” being bruited, and the return of paganism, this declaration is timely and important.
Thanks to the many people who contributed ideas and edits.
The Declaration
The Magisterium of the Catholic Church makes no mention of earth’s optimal climate, or the best rate of change of the climate, nor should it. Neither optimum is known to anybody.
The earth’s climate has always changed, is changing now, and will never cease changing. The extent to which man is responsible for climate change is not known, only surmised. There is no earthly force capable of stopping climate change.
Extreme caution, even skepticism, is warranted in any statement about the climate given the decades of failed and overreaching forecasts and hyperbole from official and interested sources. Beyond individual prudent stewardship, no Catholic is obliged to support any environmental measure.
The salvation of souls is of more pressing concern than the air temperature. Pray to God and pray for your neighbor, not to the planet.
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Matt Briggs has stated that one need not be a Catholic to sign.
Thank you for the opportunity to affirm data-based science realism, Mr. Briggs. This Protestant was grateful to be included and honored to sign.
Janice I don’t think I’ve shared this with you, forgive me if you’ve already seen it.
An Ode to the Church On Fighting Climate Change
Bureaucrats and Global Planners
Preach in agitated manners,
Predicating great disaster:
“Climate change we now must master!”
Human guilt and blame beseeching:
“Children shame we should be teaching!
Man has sinned by overreaching
Fragile Gaia’s limit!”
Beware: this bold apostasy
Spins prophesy from vanity!
The firmaments will never be
Controlled by mortal hands.
So, use this world, as best you can,
To take care of your fellow man
And leave Earth’s destiny to God’s great plan!
This Universe is God’s, alone
Commanding elements He owns.
Perplexes any man’s control,
Yet, still provides for every soul!
I’d love to put that to song…who should I contact for permission?
I have a simple tune in my head that reminds me of the 90’s folk mass using C-G-Am-C, F-C-F-G chords for the verses. The tune starts on middle G.
The refrain (beware this bold…) is F-F-C-Am-C-Am-F-C-G, F-F-C-Am-D-D-G-G7 and back to the last verse.
I think the tune will jump out at you if you play the chords through. I wrote the poem to be a hymn and was told by a bishop of the ELCA that I did not “understand the principal of climate change”
I would like to see it out YouTube if you want to put it to your own tune and rhythm.
Hello, Pop!
Good to see you. Hope you are doing okay… I have been praying…
Thank you for sharing. No, I had not seen your clever lyrics with an excellent point.
How about this for a tune (Gilbert & Sullivan’s “I am the Very Model of a Modern Major General” — even has some geometry in there, so, sciencey, heh 🙂 )? (The rollicking/rap-like meter seems to demand this type of tune)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNr4afs6l9A
performed by Mr. Asparagus (of the Veggie Tales band — love those guys)
Take care, back there.
Your WUWT pal,
Janice
Thanks Janice and DJ, always enjoy you folks’ comments.
In my head I was singing it to Beethoven’s “Ode to Joy”. It seemed to scan OK.
Me, too, D. J. (good to see you, by the way 🙂 ). I was singing it to that chorus, too.
btw: DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET YOUTUBE VIDEOS TO POST HERE, NOW? I’ve seen others do it, but I NEVER can, now (since WUWT’s shift to its current, deteriorated, status)
Me, too, D. J. (good to see you, by the way 🙂 ). I was singing it to that chorus, too.
btw: DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET YOUTUBE VIDEOS TO POST NOW? I’ve seen others do it, but I NEVER can, now (since WUWT’s shift to its current, deteriorated, status)
Sorry for the almost (spot the difference, heh 🙂 ) duplicate post. After I attempted to post the first one twice, both times getting an error message (something like: “Oops! Looks like you’ve already said that.”), I changed my post slightly and, voila! There BOTH were — in real time. WUWT? Shrug.
@Janice
Nice to hear from you again!
I think some Protestants could well affirm the statement:
”The salvation of souls is of more pressing concern than the air temperature. Pray to God and pray for your neighbor, not to the planet.”
(I say ‘some’ because many ‘liberal’ Protestants are unlikely to believe that our souls are in need of salvation. Indeed some may even question whether we have souls.)
But a non-Christian could hardly affirm that. And what would be the point of a non-Catholic signing? Surely the point is to show that there are many Catholics who have a different opinion on climate change to that pursued by Pope Francis and this is an oportunity for them to make that known.
I recently sent the following letter to a Catholic newspaper:
There is currently a Synod deliberating in Rome. The vast majority of participants come from Latin America and to get to Rome will have flown several thousands of miles. It is, for example, 5,700 miles from Rio de Janeiro to Rome. Surely, anybody who really believed that the climate is changing in dangerous ways and these ways are primarily due to human behaviour would have organised the Synod in such a way as to reduce the amount of flying undertaken by the participants. Surely they would have located the Synod somewhere in Latin America. The fact that they located it in Rome speaks volumes.
Hypocrisy, thy name is religion
Pope Francis is the only one to ever promote a cult as a religion. Too many of his friends and science advisors are atheists.
Yea, Sidney, those atheists are saying crazy things to the pope, like the earth orbits the sun! Let’s burn them at the stake and drive the devil out of them! Can’t have any of that atheist science heresy.
The best “Science” for 1500 years said the Earth was the center of the universe. Many very highly respected scientists disagreed with Galileo. The Earth-centric models at the time better fit the data they were working with then.
There were good scientific reasons to doubt Galileo’s theory (which by the way was wrong in that their model said planets orbited in perfect circles).
At least the atheists got that right.
I don’t think they did get that right.
According to the wise folks at NASA, the Earth and the Sun orbit around their common center of mass, known as their barycenter.
Totally interesting comment, Sidney.
I suppose the difference between a cult and a religion is only the degree of popular acceptance.
I would think Anthropogenic Global Warming is certainly large enough to qualify as a religion.
I know the curia is nothing but leftist creatures of the euro academy; but their must be a few resolute, pious men left who understand that the AGW scam is just the latest example of humanist hubris.
Has the pope seen that?
300 dubious scientists support Extinction Revolution, let’s hope the support for this declaration can far exceed that.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7567175/Scientists-endorse-mass-civil-disobedience-force-climate-action.html
Brilliant.
Will copy and circulate among my contacts.
Thanks.
Amen! Amen, and Amen!
That’s “Amem!”
(Susan from the Parish Council reference)
We have rarely had as woke a pope as Francis. Which makes one wonder about the Anti-Christ…
I believe that one oncevresided in Avignon, France.
I may be a lapsed catholic, but I signed that one.
Mail sent.
Small remark to the test though. My mother taught me “neither … nor”, but in the text you have “neither” but missing the “nor”. Was my British mother wrong or is it I, who can neither read nor write?
It is I who cannot read – sorry. I realize that rate of change was also regarded as an optimum. If moderator would like to delete my stupid comment, that would be great.
It’s a simplification. The writer attempts to avoid unnecessary repetition by substituting “optimum” for “earth’s optimal climate nor the best rate of change of the climate”, so the “nor” doesn’t appear in the second, simpler instance.
And I see you are self-correcting, good sir. My comment must have been delayed in posting, based on the difference between time stamps and the time I actually posted it.
Blimey so many of the signatories are doctors…
Background to any petition :
Lavrov noted recently the “West” is going “post-christian”, but that may only be the elites indeed.
Pope Francis I has followed up his anti-human population encyclical “Laudato Si” by launching a new phase of Church repudiaton of the injunction of Genesis, “Be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it,” by convening a three-week Synod of all Bishops for the Pan-Amazon Region at the Vatican in Rome, from Oct. 6-27.
The Synod 80-page working document, {Instrumentum laboris}, that has been in preparation for two years, identifies the problems of the Amazon region. {Infobae} reported Oct. 6 that it calls on the Church to listen to the cries “of Mother Earth,” ravaged by an economic model based on “predatory development … which kills, loots, destroys and annihilates.” The document quotes indigenous people of Guaviare, Colombia saying, “We, the indigenous people are part of nature because we are water, air, earth and life of the environment created by God. Therefore we ask that the mistreatment and extermination of Mother Earth cease. The Earth has blood and is bleeding, the multinationals have cut the veins of our Mother Earth. We want our indigenous cry to be heard by the whole world.”
My oh my, it sounds awfully like XR, Extinction Rebellion. No point in tip toeing around such a cult.
“Lavrov noted recently the “West” is going “post-christian”…”
It would be nice if the West went post-charlatan.
Don’t know about the Salvation bit being a devout atheist, but the anti-climate change hysteria is dogmatically spot on!!!
Saving souls…from what? for what?
If by souls they mean it in the disaster/mishap sense as in: “200 souls onboard” then by all means lets get these souls to save themselves with some proper education.
Not only is there no established optimal climate for the earth, there isn’t even any such thing as a climate for the whole earth. There is a continuum of local climates across all points on the earth. The various parameters do not all change at once, neither synchronously nor in the same manner/direction of change. As with a global temperature, an average global climate is a meaningless concept.
Humans must live with whatever climate is to be found at any given location, and adapt to whatever changes may also be experienced at that location, just as we have always done. Managing some imagined global climate is just a cover for those who fancy they know best how to rule the world.
Well…. Uh, gee whiz… It looks like Somebody up there does listen.
This Roman Catholic is happy to sign.
I signed too. And I pray for our suffering church.
Email sent.
I hope it’s one of a landslide of emails.
JD.
E-mail sent. Beware that a landslide may bring down my e-mail server. Protonmail.ch
—There is no earthly force capable of stopping climate change.—
is the simplest and wisest statement I’ve heard or read in years. Everybody who has not realized this, should become aware of the madnesss of Green Deals.
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I opened the site, and immediately got a ‘Web of Trust’ scam warning.
Something to consider:
“‘Web Of Trust’ Browser Extension Cannot Be Trusted”
https://www.pcmag.com/news/349328/web-of-trust-browser-extension-cannot-be-trusted
I too have to wonder if the pope has seen this. Doesn’t look like anything he would support, but maybe he has become more conservative in his views. This document is right on!
I doubt the current Pope will pay it any mind. He’s gone all in on the climate scare. It’ll take a literal Road to Damascus moment for him to ever back away from it now.
Amen !! From a RC.
One only has look at the data, to see what little effect, if any, rising CO2 has on sea levels.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6cr6jom94fs6tcm/SL%20Rise%20vs%20CO2.tif?dl=0
You should add the importance of relieving poverty particularly in the third world. And that the relief of poverty requires that the poor be given access to clean abundant fuel and energy. More poor people die from lung disease caused by using fuel such as dung to cook their food, than would be endangered by any conceivable increase in global temperatures.
It doesn’t seem very Catholic to me.
The earth’s climate has always changed, is changing now, and will never cease changing. The extent to which man is responsible for climate change is not known, only surmised. There is no earthly force capable of stopping climate change.
+1000. Exactly so.
George Carlin said this a while ago… caution – he uses the F-word. I prefer to think it is spelled with a PH instead of an F…
Joseppe
George was utterly brilliant lol Straight to the point, and truthful. If he said is today, he would be talking about XR lololol
I predict a lot more climate alarmism statements by the Pope in coming days to distract again from corruption news.
https://news.yahoo.com/popes-bodyguard-resigns-over-financial-132403706.html
The following is taken from an article in Crux Now.
Catholics should admit their crimes against nature in confession, according to one prelate at the Vatican’s ongoing summit for the Amazon region.
“The ecological situation today is a motive for division, but people cannot but take into consideration the importance the environment has for us,” said Archbishop Pedro Brito Guimarães, of Palmas, Brazil, on Friday. “Ecological sins. It’s a new word for us, also for the Church, but people don’t confess the sins we commit against nature.”
https://cruxnow.com/amazon-synod/2019/10/11/archbishop-at-amazon-synod-admit-sins-against-nature-during-confession/
I wonder what the Archbishop thinks about flying more than 5,000 miles in order to attend the Synod? Is he considering saying anything about that in his next Confession? Or are these ‘crimes against nature’ just for us ordinary members of the Church?
Climate Change is just a diversion from the real issue which is Jihad and the Muslim Invasion. Sharia Law will be worse for the World than any Climate Change effects.
Au contraire!
Obviously, an optimal climate is before Adam and Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, knowledge.
Back when they didn’t need to wear clothes during every season of the year.
Definitely when it was warmer than today.
‘And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day,’ … that would be the sun.
‘Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet’ … that’s us.
Caution is suggested. The Realist Catholic Climate Declaration does not appear to conform to the actual climate dogma of the Roman Catholic Church (however nice it would be if it did):
https://catholicclimatecovenant.org/catholic-climate-declaration-FAQs
I got curious when I went-in looking for the originator of the piece, knowing what the Pope has said several times about climate and climate change. I couldn’t find an official Catholic position supporting this, sadly. Where did it come from?
Y. Knott,
Your question puzzles me. Are you suggesting that Pope France’s encyclical Laudato Si was something that any of us practising Catholics could treat with anything but derision?
I understand this petition/statement to represent the views of (mainly) sensible Catholics who studied basic science in primary school telling us that carbon dioxide when combined with sunlight and water causes food to grow and keep this wonderful world green by photosynthesis.
Do you have a problem with that, or do you subscribe to genocide which will accrue from the climate cult which our holy father adheres to
It doesn’t sound like I’m the one with a problem here.