Climate Protest Fury: “they should be doing is getting off their a*** … instead of blaming everybody else”

Extinction Rebellion, ‘swarming roadblocks’. DAVID HOLT [CC BY 2.0], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Extinction Rebellion’s ongoing efforts to ruin ordinary folk’s daily commute, and mock hard working people with their largely government benefit funded hippy fecklessness, might not be having quite the effect they hoped.

Climate protesters warn this is just the beginning
By 9News Staff Kamin Gock
9:51pm Oct 11, 201

Extinction Rebellion have warned their work has just begun as they wrap up a week of demonstrations with a mass gathering in Perth’s CBD.

Workers who were stuck in the commotion had mixed views of the march.

What they should be doing is getting off their a*** and doing something about it instead of blaming everybody else,” a frustrated driver said.

“I understand why they’re doing it, it’s for a good reason and needs to be done, I support them,” a supportive commuter told 9News.

In Brisbane, more than 100 activists sat on the roadway on the William Jolly Bridge, blocking traffic in both directions, police said.

Activists chanted and held posters and waved flags as police watched on.
Police were diverting traffic and warned motorists to expect delays.

Protesters also halted peak-hour traffic in Melbourne, where the Lord Mayor Sally Capp slammed them as “disrespectful” to other residents.

Read more: https://www.9news.com.au/national/extinction-rebellion-protesters-to-end-week-of-action-across-cities-australia-news/84c0e15f-29c1-4c6d-951f-3b15e82e140b

How long will ordinary people tolerate having their day messed up, before their patience snaps?

Historians will look back on the Extinction Rebellion as the Climate movement’s greatest strategic blunder.

In the midst of an unprecedented green media blitz, rising concern amongst young people about climate change, along comes Extinction Rebellion to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, by stirring hostility against climate activism amongst their strongest inner city supporters.

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Walt
October 11, 2019 10:25 pm

The young are being hypocrites because they take advantage of the comforts and wealth adults provide. At the same time they demand more with a tantrum. They do nothing constructive to solve their imagined climate change problem except pout and blame others.

Loydo
Reply to  Walt
October 11, 2019 11:21 pm

Yeah, the young people of today should be seen and not heard.

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Adam Gallon
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 12:28 am

There’s no fool, like an old fool.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Adam Gallon
October 12, 2019 3:44 am

as “hanoi Jane” proved today supporting exreb and AOC useless deal
and i will be there every friday meme Greta
daft bint

Ellen
Reply to  ozspeaksup
October 12, 2019 9:08 am

“Hanoi Jane” is only half-strength. Use “Hanoi Barbarella”.

Andy Mansell
Reply to  ozspeaksup
October 12, 2019 10:01 am

She doesn’t mind making millions out of us fossil burning Capitalists though, utter hypocrite.

David Cage
Reply to  ozspeaksup
October 12, 2019 11:45 am

Sorry are you referring to Saint Grotty Dumb-bird?

Bill Powers
Reply to  ozspeaksup
October 12, 2019 11:59 am

She doesn’t mind living the lifestyle of the rich and famous which requires a carbon footprint Godzilla would get lost in, as she jet sets between Europe and the USA.

Celebrities are living under a misguided notion that when totalitarianism is installed they will have a seat at the decisions table.

They don’t realize that their job going forward will be to entertain the Politburo for which their rulers will throw them a few extra crumbs. While not destitute, they will not like their new life as the state will confiscate their mansions, yachts and private planes.

As consolation they will get to live in the entertainment dormitories in the same housing complex as the athletes.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Adam Gallon
October 12, 2019 3:55 am

My version goes, “No fool like a wise fool.” E.g.,, the 97% credentialed & alarmist scientists, and the official alarmist reports flowing from certified expert bodies.

wadelightly
Reply to  Roger Knights
October 12, 2019 4:18 am

Only there is no “97%” and they are not all “experts”.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Roger Knights
October 12, 2019 4:59 am

The AGU 2009 survey where 75 “climate scientists” out of 77 said humans were causing climate change. Your 97%.

MarkW
Reply to  Roger Knights
October 12, 2019 7:22 am

Worse than that. They only said that humans are having an effect on climate change.
Not causing it.

David Cage
Reply to  Roger Knights
October 12, 2019 11:37 am

Sadly climate scientists are not even bottom end marginally adequate computer modellers.
Where I worked we had various QA procedures ranging from those for Christmas novelties like whistling key rings to fly by wire components. The data standards for climate science fail those for the whistling key rings so badly that they rate as junk status. Peer review rates this work as beyond question.
On accuracy requirements they do not even reach half way to the bottom end minimum accuracy standards.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 5:02 am

Musical youth from the 80’s:

https://www.google.com/search?q=musical+youth+youth+of+today+lyrics&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU832AU832&oq=musical+youth+youth+&aqs=chrome.2.0j69i57j0l4.9315j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

“Dennis
come back with
My apple pie!
Don’t blame the youth
Don’t blame the youth
Don’t take us for fools
Don’t blame the youth.
You know that it’s true
Don’t blame the youth
So
don’t blame the youth
Don’t blame the youth.
The youth of today has got lots to say
it’s our life
it’s our future
Because we’re living today
so don’t blame the youth – what do you say?
My mother went to town to buy a little bike
And when she see the price she nearly loose her sight.
Ca dis a judgement time slang bong
Lord
ca dis a judgement time
Slang bong bong bong.
Ai
the youth of today
the youth of today
We’re under heavy heavy manners
yeah.
We’re under heavy heavy manners
yeah. What did he say?
I went down-town to buy a set of drums
but when me see the price
It have me tumble down”

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 7:21 am

Let’s see if I have this right.
Some old fart does something stupid and gets arrested.
Therefor ER has the right to shut down a city because they are upset that the rest of don’t worship as they do.

HotScot
Reply to  MarkW
October 12, 2019 9:22 am

MarkW

Please don’t confuse Loydo, he’ll leave like griff did and we won’t have anyone to poke fun at.

David Cage
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 11:31 am

How can you blame the young people when it is near impossible to even raise the most obvious questions about the methods and quality of climate scientists work since the BBC for example scream about man made climate change but no program I have seen to date gives any idea about how this was arrived at to question it?
It is our generation of the”elite” managers and politicians to blame not them.

Peter
Reply to  Walt
October 12, 2019 3:07 am

Plenty of oldies in those protests too, stupidity isn’t limited to the young. My daughter figured out for herself it was rubbish, despite teachers and university lecturers trying to brain wash her.
She even had to change courses and university to get away from the climate zealots. I feel sorry for the young, at least we could question and debate with our lecturers.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Peter
October 12, 2019 5:03 am

So too my step-daughter at about 10.

Mark
Reply to  Peter
October 12, 2019 6:10 am

Stupidity inherited? I always figured insanity was inherited. You get it from your children. Life is sexually transmitted.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Mark
October 12, 2019 10:47 am

My guess is both traits are inherited. “Mad scientists” count as both intelligent and crazy.

David Cage
Reply to  Peter
October 12, 2019 11:43 am

I laughed at a girl wearing two badges one saying ban fur use faux fur and the other saying something on the line of ban evil plastic. She actually could not understand why and when I explained she told me her teacher had dished them out. She looked it up on her mobile there and then bless her she went bright red with embarrassment and took off the plastics one when I also pointed out no electricity, water or gas as all use plastic so totally as to be irreplaceable.

Duane
Reply to  Walt
October 12, 2019 6:32 am

Spare us your generational bigotry and foolishness.

Sure, there are young people who are hypocrites and who do foolish things. Just as there are people of all ages who do so. At least the young can learn better .. the old fools are impervious to learning.

Just don’t forget it is the young who give their lives to save your lifestyle in wars, and are prepared to do so in between the wars.

No generation has a monopoly on wisdom or virtue. All live on the backs of those who came before.

Marv
Reply to  Duane
October 12, 2019 7:12 am

“Just don’t forget it is the young who give their lives to save your lifestyle in wars, and are prepared to do so in between the wars.”

Hence the phrases: “Youth is wasted on the young.”

and: “Old age and treachery always overcomes youth and skill”.

Reply to  Duane
October 12, 2019 8:48 am

And just who is going to be happy living on the backs of what Extinction Rebellion is going to be leaving for them?

Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
October 12, 2019 2:00 pm

Both those who get to do so, I suppose.

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James Schrumpf
Reply to  Duane
October 12, 2019 9:42 pm

Yes, Duane, it is always “the young who give their lives to save your lifestyle in wars, and are prepared to do so in between the wars.”

And then “the young” get old and become full of, in your eyes, “generational bigotry and foolishness.”

All because we want to preserve what it was we fought for in our youth.

Do you know what ‘irony” is?

Larissa
Reply to  Walt
October 12, 2019 12:12 pm

I agree with you and the real scientists who’ve proved CO2 isn’t the cause of climate change … that’s been going on since the beginning of time. I studied ecology and conservation, live a simple eco life… care about nature …. we should be putting the money towards saving pristine environments, getting rid of plastic not freaking out about this hype! Hopefully more people will see sense!

Larissa
Reply to  Larissa
October 12, 2019 12:21 pm

I wouldn’t say get ride of plastic… but try reduce… return to glass, natural materials… and we should respect all the things our elders have done! Fought against fascism, given us freedom healthcare education…. amongst much much more…. I praise the younger generation as well such as the 18 yr old who started ocean clean up…, he didn’t shout abuse at anyone.. he did something. The lefts are just spewing hatred and negativity and causing divisions on every thing! Please have common sense and do research before all this creates more damage , the world needs CO2, it’s not a pollutant…. plants will not grow without enough CO2 etc etc… coral reefs need it to make their homes…. any less and they will suffer. Al Gore lives in a 10 million dollar ocean front mansion and has the biggest eco footprint of them all….. he made 200 000 million since his propaganda began….. please don’t listen to the hysterical misinformed media … research it as I did !

October 11, 2019 10:25 pm

In addition to damaging the ‘Global Warming/Climate Change’ cause by annoying the general public pointlessly, the Extinction movement is damaging the credibility of the cause by proposing CO2 emission reductions that exceed the ability of the economy to pay for them, and the technical limitations of civilisation to implement them. However, the real barrier in their way is the fact that average people do not wish to pay more than $10 a year to pay for it all and will become incandescent with rage when they learn the true cost.

Editor
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
October 12, 2019 2:25 am

“incandescent with rage”! Maybe that’s how the Ex-rebels intend to light their communities.

Regards,
Bob

MarkW
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
October 12, 2019 7:24 am

I still remember how one group of ER’ers used a portable generator to power their stage because solar panels were too expensive and inconvenient.

TRM
Reply to  MarkW
October 12, 2019 8:34 am

LOL. If you can remember where please post. That would be awesome irony!

Reply to  TRM
October 12, 2019 8:51 am

Wasn’t it posted as an article here on WUWT?

HotScot
Reply to  TRM
October 12, 2019 9:26 am

TRM

You need only ask. 🙂

“In Berlin, XR cunningly hide the ‘planet-destroying’ generator powering their camp.pic.twitter.com/qQsWxTl1mf”

October 11, 2019 10:27 pm

This is what happens when the useful idiots start making their own decisions.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
October 12, 2019 10:54 am

This is what happens when they are brought up with participation trophies and nobody telling them their ideas are actually rather ill-conceived.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 12, 2019 1:48 pm

Where nobody is wrong, only different ideas. This could be the unintended consequence of that stupid inclusive policy.

LarryD
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 12, 2019 7:01 pm

Ah, this has been going on for a long time. to quote Lee Harris’s Al Qaeda’s Fantasy Ideology. Harris was describing a friend who was participating in a traffic blocking protest (anti-war):
“What I saw as a political act was not, for my friend, any such thing. It was not aimed at altering the minds of other people or persuading them to act differently. Its whole point was what it did for him.

“And what it did for him was to provide him with a fantasy — a fantasy, namely, of taking part in the revolutionary struggle of the oppressed against their oppressors. By participating in a violent anti-war demonstration, he was in no sense aiming at coercing conformity with his view — for that would still have been a political objective. Instead, he took his part in order to confirm his ideological fantasy of marching on the right side of history, of feeling himself among the elect few who stood with the angels of historical inevitability. Thus, when he lay down in front of hapless commuters on the bridges over the Potomac, he had no interest in changing the minds of these commuters, no concern over whether they became angry at the protesters or not. They were there merely as props, as so many supernumeraries in his private psychodrama. The protest for him was not politics, but theater; and the significance of his role lay not in the political ends his actions might achieve, but rather in their symbolic value as ritual. In short, he was acting out a fantasy.

“It was not your garden-variety fantasy of life as a sexual athlete or a racecar driver, but in it, he nonetheless made himself out as a hero — a hero of the revolutionary struggle. The components of his fantasy — and that of many young intellectuals at that time — were compounded purely of ideological ingredients, smatterings of Marx and Mao, a little Fanon and perhaps a dash of Herbert Marcuse.”

Kenji
October 11, 2019 10:42 pm

GLAAD learned the hard way that interrupting morning commutes by unfurling Rainbow banners on the Golden Gate and Oakland Bay Bridges just made everyone HATE them and HATE their “cause” … whatever the hell it was?

When was the last time you heard of GLAAD? Yeah … they disappeared themselves by popular opinion.

Extinction Rebellion might want to Google GLAAD.

Mpennery
Reply to  Kenji
October 12, 2019 6:00 am

No. Shhhh! Don’t help them. Let them extinction themselves.

HotScot
Reply to  Mpennery
October 12, 2019 9:27 am

Mpennery

100%. We should encourage them.

Martin Hovland
October 11, 2019 10:51 pm

Just let them carry on as long as they want!!! They are doing a great job in self-extinction. I can see them trying this out in Moscow, or in a small town, anywhere. Normal people will just ignore and laugh at them. They are actually demonstrating what is wrong with most western cities.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Martin Hovland
October 12, 2019 3:47 am

yes Ive said similar
they only use major cities where they have police protection…
if they tried it out in smaller areas theyd be pushed off the rds with 4x4bullbars at best doused with some nice pink paddock marker etc
theres little support in the REAL world for their tantrums and idiocy

Marv
Reply to  Martin Hovland
October 12, 2019 7:15 am

“Normal people will just ignore and laugh at them.”

And clever people will simply exploit them.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Martin Hovland
October 12, 2019 11:20 am

“Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.” – N. Bonaparte

October 11, 2019 10:54 pm

For help in understanding Extinction Rebellion language, here is a translation of their response to Mr. Neil

https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/10/12/translation/

Editor
October 11, 2019 11:23 pm

I have great news for WUWT readers and any budding Greta’s living under their roof.

Without waiting for Govt. legislation they can voluntarily achieve the ‘No Co2 emissions by 2025’ demanded by Extinction Rebellion, by re-evaluating their own modern lifestyles, as with energy consumption set to soar by 50% by 2050, renewables can not take up the fossil fuel energy gap for decades.

Simply follow these cut out and keep guidelines for a low emissions lifestyle;

Get rid of your car. Assuming journeys are necessary in the first place, travel only by bus, cycling, walking or train. For students, no parents taxi service. No flying except in an emergency so obviously no foreign holidays and forget ski-ing. No spring water in plastic bottles, No imported food or food out of season when there is a local alternative. No Burgers and little other meat, dairy or fish, no hot daily showers, an embargo on throw away fashion clothes and shoes, no cotton. Infrequent washing of clothes in tepid water and no artificial drying. Drastic reductions of energy guzzling internet and social media, with environmentally damaging smart phones and computers rationed to one a household and kept for years, and curtailment of consumer good purchases. Accept carbon rationing.

Curtail consumption of habitat destroying coffee and forego endless home deliveries, whether fast food or shoes. Cease attendance at festivals or sporting events, especially overseas or with floodlights. Get rid of your gas cookers and gas heating. Minimal home heating. Boycott new content on tv or film especially when made overseas, expect regular power cuts. Curtail vegan foods which have achieved mythical planet saving status, despite many vegan ingredients being imported –often by air-bearing huge carbon footprints.

No doubt young local activists believing in this ‘climate emergency’ have taken their own drastic steps to try to prevent it by selflessly regressing to the 18th century and might like to inform the rest of us which measures they have personally implemented? Contributions from publicity seeking but hypocritical celebs and Royals especially welcome.

Perhaps we ought to leave climate change to nature which has provided extremes of one sort or another throughout the 12000 year long Holocene and instead concentrate on the environment? In many countries this is undoubtedly facing a ‘crisis’

tonyb

joe
Reply to  tonyb
October 12, 2019 1:23 am

Don’t forget to
– turn off the air conditioning
– form Uber Rickshaw as a green taxi service

Reply to  tonyb
October 12, 2019 3:31 am

“Perhaps we ought to leave climate change to nature which has provided extremes of one sort or another throughout the 12000 year long Holocene and instead concentrate on the environment?”

Evidence of the survival of sanity into the age of climate insanity. Hallelujah!

https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/06/11/chaoticholocene/

Scissor
Reply to  Chaamjamal
October 12, 2019 7:21 am

Greta was in Denver yesterday and her troop made a big deal about the “extreme” drop in temperature prior to her arrival. They said is was a record – though is was not. The first link is the “live stream” of the event with lead description including reference to “the record.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHSdj323UxY

The second link is a list of the records. The fact is the climate has always exhibited these “extremes.”

https://www.weather.gov/bou/denvertemperaturechanges

Larissa
Reply to  tonyb
October 12, 2019 12:23 pm

Agree!

Loydo
October 11, 2019 11:35 pm

Historians will look back on Ghandi’s civil disobedience as the anti-colonial movement’s greatest strategic blunder.

Historians will look back on the protest marches as the Anti-Vietnam war movement’s greatest strategic blunder.

Historians will look back on Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream speech” as the civil rights movement’s greatest strategic blunder.

If you’re worried about them Eric, it probably means they’re on the right track.

Graham Balderson
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 1:02 am

No, Loydo, those episodes were based on solid foundations and genuine grievances. These acts on civil disobedience are based on unscientific nonsense. There is not now and never will an existential crisis from CO2 in the atmosphere, unless the world runs low on it.

HotScot
Reply to  Graham Balderson
October 12, 2019 2:15 am

Graham Balderson

OMG! OMG!

We are only 250 ppm atmospheric CO2 away from certain mammalian extinction at 150 ppm!!!!!!

START BURNING STUFF………QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!

TIm Groves
Reply to  Graham Balderson
October 12, 2019 2:20 am

Methinks historians will look back on weaponizing Jane Fonda as the Anti-Vietnam war movement’s single greatest strategic blunder.

However, some people never learn.

https://youtu.be/izJ0y5eCNqw

rah
Reply to  TIm Groves
October 12, 2019 2:56 am

Yep! Hanoi Jane has not gained one bit of wisdom in all these years. How many times have I urinated on urinal targets with her image? Probably about a thousand. They were still found in latrines at various Army posts in the late 80’s. She has to have the record for being the subject of the most urinal targets in history.

icisil
Reply to  TIm Groves
October 12, 2019 3:15 am

Fonda just keeps running from stupid to stupid. Quintessential attention whore.

MarkW
Reply to  icisil
October 12, 2019 7:32 am

Barberella. Need I say more?

Rocketscientist
Reply to  icisil
October 12, 2019 11:27 am

That’s Hollywood personalities to a soul. The class clowns of the class clowns.
To them being urinated on is better than being forgotten.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Beijing
Reply to  Graham Balderson
October 12, 2019 3:55 am

Graham B

You have a point. We are told the end will come when the sun grows into a red giant and swallows the earth. That is not how it will end. The CO2 concentration has been sliding inexorably down for millions of years to the point of near-starvation for all photosynthetic organisms.

The end will come billions of years before the sun swells. The only option is for humans to develop the skills and technologies to turn limestone into gas on a sustainable scale, meaning life-sustaining CO2.

In those days of advanced interplanetary travel they will look upon our collective foolishness and know that it was our lack of commitment to true consultation that prevented a quick resolution of the climate change question. In its place we find most people clinging to their vain imaginings and arguing instead. Contention replaces consultation. Wow. We really are not doing well as a species, is that the gist?

The whole earth nearly died of starvation and we have a chance to save it from that inexorable fate. Good on us.

Marty
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo but really in Beijing
October 12, 2019 12:20 pm

Crispin – As you probably know throughout Earth’s 4-1/2 billion year history episodes of volcanism have been erratic.

Right now (as you so well wrote) we are at an exceptionally low level of carbon dioxide by historic standards. But massive geological events like the eruption of a few super volcanos or the formation of the Siberian traps could dramatically increase the atmosphere’s carbon dioxide. (The release of massive amounts of carbon dioxide from the Siberian traps may have triggered the end Permian extinction. At least that’s what I’m told. I wasn’t there to see it. ) It’s a natural process, it is an erratic process and of course we have no control over it. It has sustained life for billions of years which suggests it ain’t about to end anytime soon.

Unless the Earth’s interior cooled down to the point where plate tectonics came to an end and where volcanic hot spots (like Hawaii) disappeared the likeliest scenario is that at some point in the future volcanic activity will again kick into a higher gear And when volcanic activity increases it will naturally increase atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. My understanding is that the earth’s interior will not cool down sufficiently over the next five billion years to cut off plate tectonics. So the final destruction of life on earth will probably not come from a carbon dioxide death but will probably come when the sun becomes a red giant.

Remarkable how well balanced the earth is.

MarkG
Reply to  Marty
October 12, 2019 5:55 pm

Again, CO2 levels have been dropping for a couple of hundred million years. They dropped as low as 180ppm in the last Ice Age. At that rate they would drop below 150ppm in a couple of million years, and life would start to die off.

If your Magic Volcano theory was true, we wouldn’t see the constant decline of CO2 in the historical record.

“Remarkable how well balanced the earth is.”

Gaia was just another stupid Boomer myth. We’re very lucky to have got this far, and we’re very, very lucky we appeared when we did, because in a couple of million years there’d have been little chance for us.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Marty
October 21, 2019 6:34 pm

MarkG October 12, 2019 at 5:55 pm

Again, CO2 levels have been dropping for a couple of hundred million years. They dropped as low as 180ppm in the last Ice Age. At that rate they would drop below 150ppm in a couple of million years, and life would start to die off. –> during ice ages CO2 NEVER dropped below 150 ppm:

“Carbon dioxide did not cause the end of the last ice age, a new study in Science suggests, contrary to past inferences from ice core records.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+ages+co2+levels&oq=ice+ages+co2&aqs=chrome.

MarkW, defend your utter drivel –

What mechanisms have a clue / the means to feed on CO2 until all CO2’s “mass extinction”.

MarkW
Reply to  Graham Balderson
October 12, 2019 7:30 am

Those protests also had wide spread support.

Ken Irwin
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 2:08 am

Historians are already beginning to question Ghandi’s movement. The country needed a leader – what they got was a spiritual guru and fakir.
The result – a physically divided country and ongoing enmity and warfare.
Can’t chalk it up as a success.

MarkW
Reply to  Ken Irwin
October 12, 2019 7:34 am

The British people were already questioning the wisdom (and cost) of holding onto their Empire.

HotScot
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 2:23 am

Loydo

Gandhi subjected India to half a century of poverty. He is despised by many Indians.

Your credibility would also be helped if you could spell his name.

US Soldiers will (and do) reflect on the Anti Vietnam protesters as treasonous activists condemning and vilifying the soldiers who sought to resist communism whilst, in reality, it was an excuse to dodge the draft.

Martin Luther King’s speech was fine. It was black panther terrorists that were the problem.

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
October 12, 2019 7:36 am

1 broadcast by Cronkite did more to end the war than all the anti-war protests ever did.
It could be argued that the protests actually prolonged the war. Many people who would have come out against the war didn’t, because they did not want to be associated with the protesters.

MarkG
Reply to  HotScot
October 12, 2019 5:58 pm

“Martin Luther King’s speech was fine.”

The truth about Martin Luther King is also starting to come out. There’ll be a lot of streets getting renamed in a decade or two.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 4:02 am

@Loydo—Those three historic protests weren’t primarily aimed at inconveniencing ordinary citizens, so there’s no parallel with XR.

David Chappell
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 7:05 am

OK Loydo, time for you to ‘fess up. Please let us have a detailed account of your lifestyle.

jtom
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 7:26 am

India is a mess with no relief in sight, Viet Nam is an impoverished, socialist country, and the government’s response to the MLK, Jr movement destroyed the black community (thanks mainly to LBJ and the Democrats).

You will be proved right, Loydo (a first), even though your comment was suppose to be sarcastic.

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 7:30 am

Once again Loydo demonstrates that her only mental ability is the ability to form logical fallacies and non sequitors.
According to Loydo, the fact that some protests were successful proves that her protests will be as well.

Fanakapan
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 11:27 am

With regard to Gandhi, despite appearing as a simple holy man in minimal dress, he was actually a pretty clever cookie. He knew full well that his non violent civil disobedience would be beaten off the streets by Indian policemen wielding long springy sticks, thus giving his followers the extra kudos of the victim.

Mercifully, our western police seem wise to the ploy and have not reacted in a way that would swell the ranks of the cult.

Its also amusing to note, that Gandhi with his manufactured aura of saintliness was something of a magnet for impressionable young girls, and that he may well not have been immune to their charms 🙂

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Loydo
October 12, 2019 9:50 pm

Ghandi’s efforts resulted in the Hindu-Muslim split of India and Pakistan, hardly a win.

The anti-war effort in the US (with media complicity) led to the abject abandonment of our South Vietnamese allies, and the creation of a power vacuum in the region into which Pol Pot moved. ‘Nuff said there.

MLK Jr. gave a speech. Little bit different there.

October 12, 2019 12:11 am

“Historians will look back on Ghandi’s civil disobedience as the anti-colonial movement’s greatest strategic blunder.

Historians will look back on the protest marches as the Anti-Vietnam war movement’s greatest strategic blunder.

Historians will look back on Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream speech” as the civil rights movement’s greatest strategic blunder.”

Actually, give historians 200 or so years, and they will come to these conclusions. It may seem impossible or ludicrous to you now… but that’s only now, and only to you.

Global Cooling
October 12, 2019 12:11 am

Global warming would make Earth more habitable because large areas in Siberia, Canada and Greenland would not be so frozen. 0,5 C warming is not existential problem for tropical species like humans. Our existence is a proof that 5 C warming and cooling is life as usual. History is sound here. Distribution of human population around the world tells that we can easily adapt to large variety of temperatures.

Adaptation is the strategy for coping complex adaptive problems. Giving more money and power to the ruling class is not.

If winters become milder, you invest in managing rainwater instead of heating bill. If days get warmer you install a cooler to your house. You add more shadow to your balcony and wear a large hat when you are walking outside.

In warmer climates you start to work at nights and have siesta at noon. You migrate like birds for your vacations and adjust your yearly work life accordingly. You pump water near you to houses and towns like the ancient Romans did. You start to live underground like the cave men did. You grow food in greenhouses with irrigation.

joe
Reply to  Global Cooling
October 12, 2019 1:26 am

Return forests and beavers to Ellesmere Island!

MarkW
Reply to  Global Cooling
October 12, 2019 7:41 am

Those areas with lots of water in the air will see the least warming due to the fact that CO2 and H2O share many of the same absorption frequencies.

HotScot
Reply to  MarkW
October 12, 2019 9:34 am

MarkW

I have no clue what useful purpose two frozen, inhospitable, major land and sea areas at the poles serves humanity.

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
October 12, 2019 10:14 am

If we can get all that ice out of the way, there’s lots of resources at both poles.

LarryD
Reply to  HotScot
October 12, 2019 7:35 pm

They keep the planet in an Ice House mode. When plate tectonics opens up the circulation patterns between the equator and the poles, there will be no ice caps. And the polar regions will be temperate.

Eamon Butler
October 12, 2019 12:15 am

Yes, the same here in Ireland. It looks like the stunt has backfired. It has received very little support and even though it actually hasn’t caused the major disruption of other protests, it has highlighted the lunacy and hypocrisy of the ER movement. With poor numbers too, (in 100s) and dwindling, I think the only ones getting a wake up call, is themselves.

Eamon

Reply to  Eamon Butler
October 12, 2019 12:53 am

The real problem is the support they get, a scarily high percentage, and the fawning deference of the MSM and politicians.

HotScot
Reply to  climanrecon
October 12, 2019 2:26 am

climanrecon

The extreme left wing BBC are rabidly supporting XR.

No scientific impartiality from Auntie whatsoever.

John
Reply to  HotScot
October 12, 2019 8:07 am

It’s somewhat ironic, but XR is complaining to the BBC about the lack of reporting on their demands and protests. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1267382900068703/?epa=SEARCH_BOX
Despite Rupert Read being on Question Time in front of the most pro alarmism audience.

HotScot
Reply to  John
October 12, 2019 9:37 am

John

QT this week was cringable. Rupert Read is an idiot and tried to use a financial institutions prediction of global catastrophe instead of listening to JHB quoting the IPCC.

calnorth
October 12, 2019 12:23 am

They say that their attack is on the Establishment…to do something and so far undefined. Just generalisation about meat, transport and weeping kids. All of course ill conceived and without practical attainment. Literally the end of the world as we knew it up until yesterday….Douglas Murray.

The funding primarily defines what they are about and thats an outright attack on ordinary people. A lot to do with the stupid sh*t spewed out in Universities for years. Commies again!

BillP
October 12, 2019 1:03 am

Also many of their claims are so ludicrous that no sane person will believe them. Hopefully once a person realises that some alarmists are lying they will start to question all alarmist claims.

I note that even parts of the media that support climate alarmism are critical of the Extinction Rebellion, so they realise the harm that is being done to their cause.

October 12, 2019 1:07 am

““I understand why they’re doing it, it’s for a good reason and needs to be done, I support them,” a supportive commuter told 9News.”

It’s not a good reason. There is no climate or extinction emergency. If they would just look at the observed DATA, they would realize that this is a non problem.

– JPP

icisil
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
October 12, 2019 3:36 am

Why they can’t look at the observed data:

Activists Literally Bury Their Heads in the Sand to Protest Climate Change: ‘How Ironic’

https://pluralist.com/extinction-rebellion-head-sand/

Sara
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
October 12, 2019 4:30 am

In the ‘heads in sand article’, there’s a link to another story that says ‘No, Little Greta does NOT get a Nobel, after all’. https://pluralist.com/greta-thunberg-nobel-peace-prize-2/

Perhaps the novelty of these slackers making idiots of themselves (and that includes the 91YO fella) is wearing off. It isn’t new and shiny any more, it’s repetitive and sometimes downright boring, so where’s the fun in that?

w
Reply to  Sara
October 12, 2019 4:50 am

I think they are still recovering from their awarding Obama the prize. The sting of that blunder is fresh.

Newminster
Reply to  Sara
October 12, 2019 6:22 am

That was the best bit if news of the week in my opinion.

Scissor
Reply to  Sara
October 12, 2019 7:28 am

Her Nobel window is closing. As you say, the novelty will wear off.

Phil Salmon
October 12, 2019 1:16 am

It’s worth reminding ourselves of this interview by Andrew Neil of an Extinction Rebellion spokesperson Zion Lights. Andrew Neil pointed out that shrill ER predictions of billions dying within a few decades have no scientific basis. “How will they die??” he asks. Zion Lights pointed out that no answer is needed to questions like that. Inflammatory statements of warming disaster don’t need to be remotely true, they only need to be politically effective. In her own words: “Alarmist language works. That’s why we’re discussing it right now.”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/10/bbc-andrew-neil-shreds-extinction-rebellions-climate-claims/

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?t=18&v=2384088798525459

Rod Evans
October 12, 2019 1:27 am

Keep feeding them the rope, they are doing exactly what we need them to do.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
October 12, 2019 1:46 am

Never interrupt your enemy while he/she/it/them/whatever are busy making a mistake…

Incidentally, good choice for Nobel Peace Prize, poor Greta – oh wait, HOW DARE YOU !

Gerald the Mole
October 12, 2019 2:11 am

When it is possible I would leave protesters who have glued themselves to some thing where they are.

William Haas
October 12, 2019 2:27 am

If these people believe that the burning of fossil fuels is bad then the least they can do is to stop making use of all goods and services that make use of fossil fuels but they are not doing that. For example, they are wearing clothes that were at one point transported by fossil fuel burning trucks. They should all refrain eating food purchased in stores or raised on farms that make use of equipment that makes use of fossil fuels. After all it is their money that is keeping the fossil fuel companies in business. They should all try sitting very still and taking fewer breaths and hence exhaling less CO2 and H2O into the air and refrain from eating. I am sorry that I cannot help but I am addicted to O2 which my body uses to turn hydrocarbons into CO2 and H2O for energy. I feel that I have to eat every day. I am sorry but I was born that way.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  William Haas
October 12, 2019 10:01 pm

Robert Heinlein said it very well in “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”:

Must be a yearning deep in human heart to stop other people from doing as they please. Rules, laws — always for other fellow. A murky part of us, something we had before we came down out of trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. Because not one of those people said: “Please pass this so that I won’t be able to do something I know I should stop.” Nyet, tovarishchee, was always something they hated to see neighbors doing. Stop them “for their own good” — not because speaker claimed to be harmed by it.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

HotScot
October 12, 2019 2:29 am

Anthony.

It would be interesting to understand if there is any difference in traffic on your site over this period of XR protests. Particularly new users, if that’s possible.

My theory is that XR will encourage many of the more objective onlookers to seek reliable information on the subject.

I’ll also pose the question to Paul Homewood over at notalotofpeopleknowthat.

Graemethecat
Reply to  HotScot
October 12, 2019 11:21 am

The inimitable Paul Joseph Watson has done a wonderful Youtube video on the XR clowns. The comments are almost entirely supportive! Perhaps the truth is finally starting to emerge.

Derek
October 12, 2019 3:33 am

“Extinction Rebellion’s ongoing efforts to ruin ordinary folk’s daily commute, and mock hard working people with their largely government benefit funded hippy fecklessness, might not be having quite the effect they hoped”

How do you know they are mostly on benefits?
Can i see the peer reviewed study on that?
Too much Breitbart i think.

Darrin
Reply to  Derek
October 12, 2019 9:35 am

I don’t know, maybe because people who work for a living can’t afford to spends their days protesting during working hours? Sure some probably work so took vacation or called in sick but most save those days for more important things in their life. Or, as been shown in protest around the US on various topics, some are temp workers who have taken on the job of paid protestor.

HotScot
Reply to  Derek
October 12, 2019 9:46 am

Derek

Rupert Read, one of the leaders of XR in the UK is a full time, lifelong activist, hopping from cause to cause. Never done a worthwhile days work in his life.

F. Hoffmann
Reply to  Derek
October 14, 2019 7:35 am

The finances are here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G641513ojN0wKtUaGu2JTRLssn-SzT7NFSwHRB1VyX0/edit#gid=1196325269

But it is not clear how much money they have on their bank-account.
Their bank-account is at Compassionate Revolution.

October 12, 2019 3:55 am

Anyone else remember Critical Mass’ commute disruptions – favorably? Bicyclists are traffic.

ozspeaksup
October 12, 2019 3:57 am

it appears (if correct) that singons to exreb are being paid(at least in the uk) and apparently made 40k in donations
I posted the info in
but here it is from the page
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1188717/extinction-rebellion-andrew-neil-climate-change-protest-london-emergency-bbc

peter mac said:
The people taking part are being paid £400 per WEEK. From 1 December a formal Payroll system is being set up. Universal Credit is currently £317.82 per MONTH payable 5 weeks after the application, if you are lucky and manage to jump through all the hoops. Work it out, folks.

I cant verify but I wouldnt be surprised if its correct.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  ozspeaksup
October 12, 2019 5:06 am

That’s no a lot of money in the UK, might get a few “roaches” for that, but not much else. So I say many of these people do not work, are on some form of benefit, don’t have to work (Rich or rich parents) or retired.

Either way they are still terrorists in my book (And in the definition of word terrorism).

HotScot
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 12, 2019 9:49 am

Patrick MJD

If any of the are on universal credit they might consider topping it up by £400 a week.

I daresay the protests were being carefully scrutinised and recorded by vigilant DWP officials.

ozspeaksup
October 12, 2019 4:00 am

I wonder how many of them with kids are using cloth nappies?
breast feeding and only glass bottles and jars etc for feeds if not?
having been around some young mums recently I am staggered at the volume of plastic disposale /nappies and
trash/ ephemera a modern baby/child is responsible for via idiot parents looking for fast and lazy options.

David Chappell
Reply to  ozspeaksup
October 12, 2019 7:13 am

Don’t forget the 100+Kg of CO2 per baby from not breastfeeding.

John the Econ
October 12, 2019 4:10 am

The ironic upside to the total economic collapse that these people are agitating for is that economically surplus and useless people like this will themselves become extinct and the gene pool will get an obviously necessary cleaning out.

Zigmaster
October 12, 2019 4:11 am

The term extinction rebellion must relate to the fact that if one could lower CO2 levels low enough, All life becomes extinct. With their apparent hatred of the human race maybe this is an intended rather than an unintended consequence of their demands.

Greg
October 12, 2019 4:52 am

In Brisbane, more than 100 activists sat on the roadway

Wow, that is certainly a mandate from the people. While complicit “forces of law and order” allow law breaking and aid the disruption instead of removing it.

when the state is complicit in your “opposition” you know you are being taken for a ride.

John Bell
October 12, 2019 5:27 am

Everyone knows they themselves use fossil fuels every day….the HYPOCRITES

Bruce Cobb
October 12, 2019 5:52 am

Looks to me like they are being mollycoddled. Where are the mass arrests? Where’s the outrage? All I see is some grumbling, but they still agree with “the message”. Sickening.

Abolition Man
October 12, 2019 7:14 am

Sure wish these folks would take their wisdom and intelligence to the Third World to show the poor down-
trodden masses how to cope with the horrors of CAGW! I’m sure many in Asia, Africa and the Americas would be happy to switch places for a few months to help with this vital movement. Poor people from around the globe could travel to England and Europe and be enlightened about the low-carbon lifestyle and their true value to alarmists everywhere! /snarc
The modern environmental movement; a Progressive religious cult with a nice big dollop of eugenics added!

PaulH
October 12, 2019 7:29 am

…as police watched on. Police were diverting traffic and warned motorists to expect delays

This does this does nothing to garner respect for the police officers. The police should do everything to prevent traffic blocking instead of accommodating these XR nitwits.

HotScot
Reply to  PaulH
October 12, 2019 9:54 am

PaulH

The police gauge public opinion. If they go in heavy handed now they will be vilified. If they wait until everyone is thoroughly p*ssed off they can do what they want.

J Fisk
October 12, 2019 7:50 am

X.R. founder, a drug fuelled antiestablishment extremist who has been looking for a way to bring down a government. Tried other ideas that failed then hit upon the “climate crisis ” bandwagon
Why would any follow her?

HotScot
Reply to  J Fisk
October 12, 2019 9:56 am

J Fisk

Correct. And the movement has been identified as a subversive terrorist organisation by a former head of the Metropolitan Police anti terrorist unit.

Gunga Din
October 12, 2019 8:05 am

So …. what ER does to achieve “0 carbon emissions” is block traffic forcing commuters to run their fossil fueled cars and trucks for an extra hour or so to get where they were going?

And that makes sense to them?!?!

John
October 12, 2019 8:22 am

XR should adopt an Amish lifestyle and live without technology.

TomRude
October 12, 2019 9:32 am

XR: The Ball of the Entitled…
Yesterday Jane Fonda (billionaire Ted Turner’s ex-wife) was arrested in Washington and today it is Princess Esmeralda of Belgium’s turn in London…
https://news.sky.com/story/belgiums-princess-esmeralda-arrested-in-londons-extinction-rebellion-protests-11833488
Who’s next: Richard Branson?

HotScot
Reply to  TomRude
October 12, 2019 10:01 am

TomRude

The most interesting bit of that letter is that the DNA/fingerprint/photographic databse will be searched for prior involvement in crime.

Now whilst this probably doesn’t affect her, there will be a lot of those arrested poo their pants at the prospect of skeletons crawling out the cupboard.

paul
Reply to  TomRude
October 12, 2019 4:28 pm

we can only hope

Davis
Reply to  TomRude
October 12, 2019 5:38 pm

Jane Fonda, just another useless eater from Hollywood. Produces nothing of real value.

Dennis G Sandberg
October 12, 2019 9:41 am

Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming can only be stopped by liberals. The only place it exists is in their heads.

Andy Mansell
October 12, 2019 9:58 am

Getting really sick and tired of the authorities and media giving ER a free ride whilst they ruin ordinary people’s lives. How is it legal to stop law abiding citizens going about their business and forcing them to listen to their ridiculous demands which they know cannot possibly be met without millions of deaths and economic ruin for most folk. Even Private Eye, a once great satire magazine here in the UK, gives them an easy ride and even mocks anyone who criticises them. The lunatics really do appear to have taken over the asylum.

Davis
October 12, 2019 5:37 pm

They would serve the earth, and their fellow people greatly, if they would just spend their time, energy, and effort, just by simply, PLANTING TREES.

Rowland P
October 13, 2019 8:43 am

“The elders, lowering themselves to the young, sate themselves with pleasantries and wit, mimicking the young in order not to look unpleasant and despotic”. Plato describing the origins of anarchy.

October 13, 2019 4:14 pm

comment image

… including
* government that supports freedom to protest
* money that provides financing

… all dependent on fossil fuel.

Oh, and, of course, I forgot to put in the arrows indicating the hypocrites — ALSO enabled by fossil-fuel civilized comforts.

Intellectual blindness is a terrible thing.

October 18, 2019 7:40 am

I conducted a simple experiment in The School of Environmental Sciences at The University of East Anglia, the result of which demonstrated that Rupert Read and Andrew Watson (a former doctoral student of James Lovelock, now at Exeter University) are unable to acknowledge that the sun rises in the sky above them each day in the morning. https://thewinnower.com/papers/5270-lord-kelvin-the-body-snatchers … … … Use books.google.co.uk for the recommended searches.

Johann Wundersamer
October 21, 2019 5:58 pm

A anyhow REAL mass extinction includes mass extinction of marine life as with the last, the 5th mass extinction –

Thanks the siberian traps:

https://www.google.com/search?q=siberian+traps+extinction&oq=siberian+traps&aqs=chrome.

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