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Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Climate scientists are fed up with nobody taking them seriously.
UK scientists join the Extinction Rebellion climate change protests
ENVIRONMENT 7 October 2019
By Lilian Anekwe…
Charlie Gardner, a conservation scientist at the University of Kent, says he joined the organisation because he felt that his professional responsibility extended beyond “just studying and describing” the impact of climate change on biodiversity.
“We know what to do to save species, but the UK government is not giving us the funding to do it. I’ve done everything I possibly can professionally and personally, but none of that has worked, it’s all been a drop in the ocean. For me as a scientist this is necessary – and it is going to work.”
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Jennifer Rudd, a scientist at a UK university, says she had no choice but to join Extinction Rebellion “given everything I know about climate change”.
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Lee, who didn’t wish to give his full name, says he worked for a decade in climate science, but “we are now reaching the tipping point that we’ve always been fearful of”.
“It’s almost to the point when we can’t reverse it. This is our last chance. The social contract with the government has been broken and now there’s nothing left to do but rebel.”
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Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2219008-uk-scientists-join-the-extinction-rebellion-climate-change-protests/
Imagine if all the eco-economists, conservation scientists and climate modellers joined Extinction Rebellion and threatened to withdraw their services from society. How would we all cope?
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‘Imagine if all the eco-economists, conservation scientists and climate modellers joined Extinction Rebellion and threatened to withdraw their services from society. How would we all cope?’
lol.
A John Lennon single?
I think you misspelled cope* -> hope
Upvote for the LOL!
How would we cope? You mean, aside from pointing, giggling, and taking pix for the ‘net?
There was a similar “demonstration” yesterday in Chicago. It got about 15 seconds on the TV news. Glad I do NOT live there any more. All this stuff seems to be centering in cities, where the most attention available. Out in the ‘burbs, where people have lives and responsibilities and don’t want that turmoil, it’s nice and quiet, thank you. We can watch the clown show and create a fine pot of bean soup with ham, onions, celery and shredded carrots while the sillies are out there getting street glop on themselves.
Reality is a harsh mistress. This is being so overdone now that it seems to have it’s lost its original direction, which was to have a clean planet. These people leave trash and garbage everywhere they go. Why aren’t they being made to clean up after themselves?
Sara: For some reason I always get hungry after reading your posts.😁
Thank you, Rick.
I love to cook. And Those People would smell the food, want some, but not contribute to putting it together because they only respond to microwave ovens. (I know – typecasting, but think about it for a moment.)
Sara,
You are quite the influential decision maker. It’s mid 50’s high, misty rain, and archery season has begun. The beans are soaking, the ground venison is thawing, surplus of assorted peppers (yellow bell, chili, and jalapenos, and possibly hybrids from years of growing in close proximity) still on the vine as well as the onions and canned tomatoes and garlic (which I need to dig more) are due for the kettle. Plus a little added heat in the house wont hurt now! Outdoor cooking is great but gets a bit old after 4 months of summer heat and indoor heating is limited!
I think those obvious questions need to be asked, eyesonu. Why are they allowed to get away with trashing the planet but we aren’t?
Archery season: I wonder if the local gun range would allow me some range time with a hunting bow, recurve or otherwise. I need both the practice and the exercise.
Looking forward to late fall and winter now and the scent of cornbread coming from the oven.
Cornbread! Thank you I knew something was missing!
Sara, so you haven’t gone over to soya sham-ham yet! Soon we will getting our hogs from illegal meat ops in the woods “moonshine swine” as it were.
Go ice fishing this winter.
Yes, this is probably one of the funnier quotes of the current news cycle. As to how we would cope, well, quite nicely, thank you. But the really important question for them to answer would be, how will society cope without oil, gas, and of course, coal. That is the question to answer.
The good thing is that these protests are taking part in the heart of ‘remainers’ London so ordinary sensible people are not being too inconvenienced
Who would notice?
Eco-economists have been consistently wrong, with the exception of rationalists like Bjorn Lomborg.
Conservationists accomplish exactly what?
Climate modelers have ignored calls to fix their broken models for over two decades.
Let them withdraw their services until they each live entirely without fossil fuels and fossil fuel products.
“How would we all cope” apart from the obvious ,,people able to get to work and mass hysteria going away, scientists who dont agree with CAĢW might get a word in edge ways.
The Dept. of Ed. has a new “combatting hate” agenda, yet no mention that XR openly calls youth to break the law, go to prison. This goes way up to Cabinet Office policy.
After all CO2 is the real enemy, right?
XR even goes further than that. Their leader even mentioned that the death of people should be taken into account if governments refuse to comply… This organisation is becoming dangerous and should be kept under watch.
Extermination Rebellion is their M.O.
Jonathan Swift’s Modest Proposal was put to their US flank to hilarious effect a few days ago.
The GND expert AOC could only comment ” there are many ways to go”, not discounting the Proposal.
Is this what “Joker” is about? If things don’t work out the way you wanted or planned, you then delight in an ideology based on destruction?
I don’t think the very first public suicide is far off. I can only hope its someone at the end of their natural life, but with the number of uneducated and unsophisticated teens joining this nonsense, I think it can become much, much worse.
I would prefer to see the dangerous ones go first, no matter the age.
We can only hope they don’t take anyone innocent with them:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Palestinian%20Work%20Accident
All ‘progressives’ should stop breathing out, right now.
Imagine if they all lined up as protesters and marched to a tall bridge and set themselves on fire and jumped off. That would get their point across! ….. They’re friggin nuts and everyone should feel guilty! Then when they wash up on a beach the media can call it an unexplained mass stranding. Let the piper begin as the End is Nigh!
Don’t laugh, I can assure you one of these greetins is busily googling how to light oneself on fire without causing CO2 emissions…probably could buy a carbon offset, but I don’t want to give them any ideas.
As with students “striking” during a school day a few weeks into the school year, I’d be more impressed if they “struck”, say, on a Saturday morning in July, around 7am.
Seriously, this stuff is Earth Hour writ large: a way for mostly white, middle-class hypocrites to say they’ve done something, yet accomplish nothing, and in general just be a pain in the ass to those of us with even average math and reading comprehension skills.
Its all theater until someone gets hurt.
Imagine if all the eco-economists, conservation scientists and climate modellers joined Extinction Rebellion and threatened to withdraw their services from society. How would we all cope?
Quite.
The real question is, “how would we ever know”?
Perhaps if all these climate scientists didn’t keep pushing for more and more funding they might be taken a bit more seriously given their track record of serial failure in terms of predictions, trends and constantly deferred catastrophe.
Such is the academic bandwagon on climate now that I am surprised not to have seen “serious” studies about Shakespeare’s use of metaphor for sea level rise, Dante and global temperature rise in Mediterranean climatic sub-zones and literary impacts in D.H.Lawrence of unrestrained polar warming (oh wait, there’s some clown at the London School of Economics doing something like that).
Shakespeare’s use of metaphor for sea level rise – please, please submit that paper to a peer reviewed journal ;-).
And a serious study of :
The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead–
There were no birds to fly.
…
“The time has come,” the Walrus said,
“To talk of many things:
Of shoes–and ships–and sealing-wax–
Of cabbages–and kings–
And why the sea is boiling hot–
And whether pigs have wings.”
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It’s all there , boiling sea, no clouds, no birds. T’would make a walrus weep.
Not to mention oysters being a threatened species.
“It seems a shame,” the Walrus said,
“To play them such a trick,
After we’ve brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!”
It gets worse, never mind the Poles switching and other catastrophic events 😉
“”The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright —
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.”
And flying pigs.
I’m from the uk, I have never read/heard of any scientists cleaning the coasts of Britain of plastic, niether have I heard of them cleaning the rivers, lakes, streams, roads of plastic, or of mass tree planting… So what funds do they need to save us from any weather?
Lot’s of scientists are unemployed and put to the proverbial fields, or rather ditches, a British version of pol-pot, by the oh-so liberal establishment.
Next kids are being taught like Mao’s Red Brigades “see something, say something” if they even murmer resistance.
JCU firing Prof. Ridd is even worse.
Some, not unexpectedley, march along to get along.
It just shows how far the standard of UK universities has fallen when these so-called scientists (idiots) can get emlpoyment in them.
The problem is that the funding agencies have been infiltrated, so we get Science and Engineering research funds spent on diversity, outreach, messaging studies and the psychological disorder of “denialism”.
Must be like in the US, the colleges and universities have morphed into “public paid-for no-profit money-making businesses for selling diplomas and degrees for a profit” …… and will admit most any student if their parent(s) pay a large enough “bribe” to the administration or an administrator.
Parent’s $$ not required…almost any amount of loan money for tuition is available to just about anyone.
That hige inrush of money has allowed for a rapid doubling of those tuition fees…and still rising.
There are no bankruptcy protections if one falls on real world hard times…so these loans have produced a whole generation of indentured servants with few assets to start businesses or save for retirement. The loan sharking mafia invented this system ages ago. Socialists cuddled right up to it.
In today’s post modern state indoctrinated culture, no exams are necessary to become an academic. Anyone can get full Marx.
LOL!
Capital!
Any mathematicians, quantum physics folks, electric or mechanical engineering guys in that crowd ?
Why pseudo-sciences are always the most climate involved so called scholars?
Probably find that their parents marched for CND in the fifties and sixties….
That comes as some comfort. The British secret services had CND well & truly infiltrated in my opinion, as I think I’ve said before, the CND marched on the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment (AWRE) Aldermaston, the clue is in the title nearly always, “Research”, yet just a few miles down the road at Royal Ordnance Factory, (the clue is in the title again), at Burghfiled, hardly any protests occurred! Where I come from places called “Factory” usually made things! 😉
Exactly.
Lord Bertrand Russell’s CND, nuclear disarmament on Monday, calling for a premptive thermonulear attack on the Soviet by Wednesday.
Charming non-violence, what?
“The impact of climate change on biodiversity” They always mean ONLY the human caused element, which is minuscule compared to natural forcings, and no species has ever become extinct due to human CO2 emissions, in fact it’s probably helped biodiversity. Also, there’s never been one single real ‘climate refugee’. These scientists need to go back to the school of life. “The UK government is not giving us the funding” and they wonder why they’re not taken seriously with their send money to save the world plea.
Sir. As someone who grew up in N.Ireland (average July temp 18˚C) I consider myself to be a Climate Refugee. I am very happy here in Northern New South Wales…where the average summer temperature is 28˚C.
NSW, Australia!
Yech!
40+ in summer, sometimes.
At night.
That would be a Rain Refugee, a horse of an entirely different color.
Hot under the collar: I’m afraid you’re wrong, very wrong! There have been some ten thousand plus over the last few years, the UNIPCC predicted it, so it must have happened! Afterall, the UN NEVER get it wrong, do they? Apart from Rawanda, min 3 million deaths (excluding the maimings & the butchery & rapings, etc), apart from DDT, estimated some 45 million deaths & rising, mostly the weak, elderly, & the sick, apart from AIDS, estimated deaths some 65 million & rising. Can’t help thinking that all these suffering seem to be coming from poor Third World countries, so I think that……………….oh no that’s ridiculous Alan, of course the UN elites aren’t trying to de-populate the World, surely not?
Makes you wonder what Greta is banging on about now…
Thanks for the perspective
“… he joined the organisation because he felt that his professional responsibility extended beyond “just studying and describing” the impact of climate change on biodiversity“.
Impacts like this?…
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
… “Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds | NASA”
You would surely have to be as thick as a brick to think that a warming and greening planet would be bad for biodiversity. And in any case, any competent scientist inspecting the literature would surely not take very long at all to realise that there was a very uncomfortable level of uncertainty around the “warming” part.
“We know what to do to save species, but the UK government is not giving us the funding to do it. I’ve done everything I possibly can professionally and personally, but none of that has worked, it’s all been a drop in the ocean. For me as a scientist this is necessary – and it is going to work.”
BINGO!!!! It’s ALL about the money after all, now who’d a thunk it? With all the millions in £/$/Eu/Yen etc they’ve had heaped upon them for just such a purpose, why do they need more money without producing non-vague, unsustantiated, uncriticised reports that ALWAYS require further research & oodles more dosh?
Actually, they’re right. If the goal is to eliminate human CO2 emissions, the world’s governments aren’t delivering. They’re spending lots of money and lining lots of pockets but it’s just theater and will have approximately zero effect.
Roger Pielke Jr. points out that, if we really want to get rid of human CO2 emissions, we have to build one nuclear plant per day between now and 2050. That might actually work.
Work? As in not feasible? Nor needed.
I’m not saying the goal should be to get rid of CO2.
Nope, that’s the gretins’ death cult.😇
XR even goes further than that. Their leader even mentioned that the death of people should be taken into account if governments refuse to comply… This organisation is becoming dangerous and should be kept under watch.
The new Luddites!
Has anybody got the twitter link, were there is a big line outside of the rebels outside McDonald’s?
Where do the profs go on vacation?
Most likely some place much warmer than the UK.
What happened to that water cannon that Boris bought when he was Mayor of London?
Sadiq the new Mayor of London sold one to the XR demonstrators. They filled one with red paint and tried to colour the buildings in Whitehall. Like all XR efforts it was a farce but allowed to progress by the police. Bear in mind, this is one of the most policed areas of the whole country yet the police allowed the idiots to attempt to colour Whitehall red. The frail eco warriors lost control of their pressure hose which then coloured the road red. Funny and pathetic. Sadiq was most upset the jolly jape had failed.
Such a pity the gretins weren’t seriously injured….
“Gretins” – love it
Gretin: n. Followers of Greta
Gretins (plural)
Also known as gretards….
“What happened to that water cannon that Boris bought when he was Mayor of London?”
Unfortunately the mayor of London sold them.
I wonder if any of the concerned scientists so devoted to biodiversity and the well being of the plants and animals in general, have any comments to make about the daily slaughter of bats, eagles, birds and insects the ever growing wind turbine industry they support so vocally is responsible for?
Maybe some of these “scientists” will know how to drive a fire engine and to use the hoses properly.
Lets be serious most of these “scientists” aren’t taken seriously because they are incompetent and them trying to teach anyone anything will probably cause a few fatalities. Seriously they are better just getting a few kiddies in to play with it as they will work it out in half the time.
Well, it worked in theory…
Their idea of “theory” is to imagine it so. No need to do a back of the envelope calculation, no need to ask anyone else if they think it would work, no need to consider the consequences of an action, or even the costs involved in doing undertaking that action. It’s the theory that works that matters, everything else is somebody else’s problem (like paying for it, or figuring out how to do it).
Well that probably amounts to a very short book.
It occurs to me now that there are those who consider themselves a climate science expert without understanding anything about the physical mechanics of the atmosphere or historical climate change. It’s like passing yourself off as a qualified heart surgeon because you’ve read a lot of romance novels!
These poor souls believe that they have a degree in science, when they actually have a useless degree in mythology.
Like David Attenborough, Caroline Lucas, Al Gore, Roger Harrabin, Emma Thompson, George Monbiot et al. All get their science from the Guardian.
I am more concerned about the poor souls who are and will be suffering due to the fallout from the delusions and misapprehensions of these poor misunderstood and woefully ignored so-called climate scientists.
“For me as a scientist this is necessary – and it is going to work.”
Boy, when these morons drink the koolade, they don’t mess around, do they? I mean, delusional much?
The (self-assigned) epithet scientist impeaches. Move along. Nothing new here.
Is that the Green Lantern (DC) symbol on the banner.
Hal could use the ring to separate the carbon from the oxygen and save the day.
Though that is not what these protesters actually want (IMO)
About the only thing Extinction Rebels have got people questioning is why there is a very white race domination in their ranks. Even the Griffs favourite the Grauniad has noticed it
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/04/extinction-rebellion-race-climate-crisis-inequality
If you scratched the surface I am sure the answer is the fact you have to be self guilted, and the group of white over-educated stupids would have the highest percentage of those.
Look at the bright side, they won’t reproduce, except by accident….